Saints release K Carney

[TheSport78]

Saints released K John Carney.
Carney's departure was a fait accompli after he was replaced by Hartley three weeks ago. The Saints were going to use two roster spots on kickers during the playoffs, and Hartley has been the more reliable option. Carney could draw interest in Dallas if Shaun Shuisham falters.

Terrible timing. Do you think Dallas should sign him anyway incase Suisham falters?

[BLT]

Terrible timing. Do you think Dallas should sign him anyway incase Suisham falters?

I think Dallas should sign him BEFORE Suisham falters. I'd cut Suisham for Carney right now.

[TheSport78]

I think Dallas should sign him BEFORE Suisham falters. I'd cut Suisham for Carney right now.

Really? Do you think it's a possibility?

[Heisenberg]

I would have much preferred Carney. Oh well. Really bad timing.

[Yeagermeister]

Why was he replaced?

[TheSport78]

I would have much preferred Carney. Oh well. Really bad timing.

:laugh2:What would that do to Suisham's confidence if we release him tomorrow for Carney

[ScipioCowboy]

We certainly can't fault for the Saints organization for lacking intelligence. This move was crafty, even insidious in its execution. They deliberately waited for the Cowboys to sign a kicker before releasing one who has been reliable throughout his distinguished career.

[Hostile]

I think Dallas should sign him BEFORE Suisham falters. I'd cut Suisham for Carney right now.
So would I.

[TheSport78]

So would I.

Could you contact the people you know in the organization and make this happen, Hos?

[Hostile]

Could you contact the people you know in the organization and make this happen, Hos?I have no pull with them, but I am going to drop the hint. I won't be surprised at all if Jerry makes a call to look at him.

[TheSport78]

I have no pull with them, but I am going to drop the hint. I won't be surprised at all if Jerry makes a call to look at him.

Me either. He's a proven vet and Joe D. has coached him before in Jacksonville I believe?

[REDVOLUTION]

Carney please!

[HanD]

Just fyi...carney is 13 for 17 this year.

[bbgun]

I'm inclined to see what Suish can do. Is Carney likely to be picked up by some other team before next Monday? Packers maybe?

[peplaw06]

Carney was the first guy I thought of when we started kicking around the idea of bring in competition for Folk. I knew he had lost the job in New Orleans, but wasn't sure if he'd been cut yet or not. I'd also cut Suisham right now. Carney may not have a strong leg anymore, but I think he would be more reliable inside 40.

[dbair1967]

Why was he replaced?

he was injured, missed some time and the kid who replaced him was doing a great job, and has a much stronger leg.

[Chocolate Lab]

Just fyi...carney is 13 for 17 this year.

And wasn't Suisham 18 for 21?

[SLATEmosphere]

I'll take Carney over Suish all day.

[dbair1967]

We certainly can't fault for the Saints organization for lacking intelligence. This move was crafty, even insidious in its execution. They deliberately waited for the Cowboys to sign a kicker before releasing one who has been reliable throughout his distinguished career.

I doubt that had anything to do with it whatsoever. Carney doesnt have to clear waivers, if the Cowboys want him they can simply cut Suisham and sign Carney immediately.

They probably cut him so he could catch on with another team, if he's healthy enough to kick. He's 45yrs old, so I doubt there's going to be alot of demand for him.

[dbair1967]

I'm inclined to see what Suish can do. Is Carney likely to be picked up by some other team before next Monday? Packers maybe?

I doubt it.

I thnik they'll wait and see what Suisham can do first too.

And its possible that Carney might not even be healthy enough to kick.

[dbair1967]

Carney was the first guy I thought of when we started kicking around the idea of bring in competition for Folk. I knew he had lost the job in New Orleans, but wasn't sure if he'd been cut yet or not. I'd also cut Suisham right now. Carney may not have a strong leg anymore, but I think he would be more reliable inside 40.

3 of his 4 misses have been between 30-39 yds.

[Chocolate Lab]

And Wade said Suisham was good from 55 with the wind at his back today. (Not a huge wind, either.)

[mortboy]

Supposedly Vinatieri will be ready week 17. That might mean that Stover will be available soon after. Something to think about if the Suisham experiment doesn't work out this weekend.

[SibannacRex]

We certainly can't fault for the Saints organization for lacking intelligence. This move was crafty, even insidious in its execution. They deliberately waited for the Cowboys to sign a kicker before releasing one who has been reliable throughout his distinguished career.


As if we can't cut Suisham and sign Carney today.

[HanD]

And wasn't Suisham 18 for 21?


yes he was.

[eightysiX]

And Wade said Suisham was good from 55 with the wind at his back today. (Not a huge wind, either.)

i guess as long as hes making them in practice. Its more than we could say about folk.
Although i do hope we see folk back in practice next year.

[trueblue1687]

I think they are on about the same level (w/Suisham). Either one will do about the same job. I just don't think you're gonna get the money in the bank kicker this time of year. There's a reason each is available. If they were great, they wouldn't be unemployed.

[bbgun]

And Wade said Suisham was good from 55 with the wind at his back today. (Not a huge wind, either.)

If he misses one from that distance, we'll forgive him. Just make the 45 and unders.

[Nirvana]

I guess kickers really are a dime a dozen. :cool:

j/k :D

[Bleu Star]

I think Dallas should sign him BEFORE Suisham falters. I'd cut Suisham for Carney right now.

OMG. I would so do this yesterday. :eek:

:laugh2:What would that do to Suisham's confidence if we release him tomorrow for Carney

Who cares??? :eek:

[Mavs Man]

Yeah, I would never be nervous when John Carney was up to kick.

kTGco82JKHo

[adbutcher]

I don't want any part of Carney. I hate kickers but I really hate kickers who miss PATs.

[Bleu Star]

Yeah. How many XPs has he missed in his illustrious career? ;) Gotta love the minute sample to support a weak slant.

[Danny White]

I'd let Swishy ride it out for this next game, but if he doesn't look good, I'd have Carney on speed dial.

[HowAboutThemCowboys]

We certainly can't fault for the Saints organization for lacking intelligence. This move was crafty, even insidious in its execution. They deliberately waited for the Cowboys to sign a kicker before releasing one who has been reliable throughout his distinguished career.

I'm drinking that koolaide too

[Hypnotoad]

Yeah. How many XPs has he missed in his illustrious career? ;) Gotta love the minute sample to support a weak slant.

one is too much

[davidyee]

I'm inclined to see what Suish can do. Is Carney likely to be picked up by some other team before next Monday? Packers maybe?

...you can take 7-10 yards off your distance. You need a strong leg to kick off grass.

Packers would have to be really desperate to look at Carney.

[Mavs Man]

Yeah. How many XPs has he missed in his illustrious career? ;) Gotta love the minute sample to support a weak slant.

He has missed 4 PAT's in the last 5 seasons, including a season-ender (literally). On top of that, he's 45 years old.

But yeah, we're slanting it. :rolleyes:

[grp05]

He has missed 4 PAT's in the last 5 seasons, including a season-ender (literally). On top of that, he's 45 years old.

But yeah, we're slanting it. :rolleyes:

Just curious, do you know how many of those, if any, were blocked?

[big dog cowboy]

Just go for it on 4th down every time we are in FG range.

:D

[Danny White]

Yeah, I would never be nervous when John Carney was up to kick.

kTGco82JKHo

Man, I totally forgot about that game.

That was an amazing finish and he totally choked it.

Worst extra point miss ever.

[Bleu Star]

He has missed 4 PAT's in the last 5 seasons, including a season-ender (literally). On top of that, he's 45 years old.

But yeah, we're slanting it. :rolleyes:

Lame...

Why don't you post his career stats while you're at it? Then go ahead and measure that up against pretty much any kicker playing today. 45/55/65 yrs old.. whatever. The guy is nails from 40 or so in. I hope Shaun handles his business but it's still fun to entertain the thought. Carney or Suisham... either will do just fine.

[AsylumGuido]

he was injured, missed some time and the kid who replaced him was doing a great job, and has a much stronger leg.

Actually, Garrett Hartley, who won the starting gig last year and went 13 of 13, was suspended for the first four games of 2009 for taking a banned stimulant before a drive to mini camp. The Saints brought Carney in to fill for those four games, but Carney was doing so well that they let him keep playing while working with Hartley and Thomas Morestead, punter/kickoff specialist. They switched back to Hartley, who is the future, once the playoffs neared. Carney was cool with it as he knew this was how it would go all along.

That said, the timing was clearly intentional. The Saints kept him on the roster in an inactive role until they had already faced both Dallas and Washington, who had both been rumored to be shopping around.