Rumor: Oh well... Shanny is putting his name out there for Bears HC job.

[Bleu Star]

I just heard it on Sirius NFL Radio. According to a close friend of a reputable person on the show, Shanny has said he is interested in the Bears HC job. He allegedly would be fine working with the current GM (Jerry Angelo) and only asks that he have the final say if there ever turns out to be a disagreement across various areas (scouting, GM, HC).

Lovie is hanging on by a thread and this news would have to be pretty inticing for a team searching for a solution to the Cutler issues. Shanny knows Cutler....

I have pretty much given in to the possibility that Shanny is out of the picture for our HC job. There are still some very good HCs out there. To name a few that I would prefer in order of preference: Cowher, Fisher, Chucky, or if we go college ranks... Meyer.

Sure, Wade has this team winning right now but the bottom line is deep playoff run or bust so discussion of the next HC candidate is healthy IMO.

[Hypnotoad]

If we make playoffs we will likely miss black Monday... and be 1 step behind in the coaching search.

[5Stars]

I just heard it on Sirius NFL Radio. According to a close friend of a reputable person on the show, Shanny has said he is interested in the Bears HC job. He allegedly would be fine working with the current GM (Jerry Angelo) and only asks that he have the final say if there ever turns out to be a disagreement across various areas (scouting, GM, HC).

Lovie is hanging on by a thread and this news would have to be pretty inticing for a team searching for a solution to the Cutler issues. Shanny knows Cutler....

I have pretty much given in to the possibility that Shanny is out of the picture for our HC job. There are still some very good HCs out there. To name a few that I would prefer in order of preference: Cowher, Fisher, Chucky, or if we go college ranks... Meyer.

Sure, Wade has this team winning right now but the bottom line is deep playoff run or bust so discussion of the next HC candidate is healthy IMO.



Good!! Why people think he's so great is beyond me.

[jobberone]

Good that Shanny is going elsewhere

[Vintage]

If we make playoffs we will likely miss black Monday... and be 1 step behind in the coaching search.


Our next head coach is already in Dallas.

[Heisenberg]

Honestly, I think Garrett might be a fine HC. Hopefully, we won't be facing the issue because we'll have won a Super Bowl with Wade as the HC.

[Idgit]

Our next head coach is already in Dallas.

Yep. And I'm still not sure why we're looking to replace the current one when our team's got as good a shot at representing the NFC as anybody right now.

[skinsscalper]

If Jerry were ever considering a college coach, I'd prefer to stick with Wade, to be honest.

[BHendri5]

Cowher has said he will remain in the braodcasting for at least another year, I believe Gruden has said the same thing, Fisher will remain in Tennessee, do not want Meyer and his high school offense.

After saying all that, Garrett is the next HC for us, regardless of what the team does with Wade

[casmith07]

The longer Cowher and Gruden remain in broadcasting, the bigger dinosaurs they become. I wish someone could provide a legitimate argument with why a retread coach is the right thing for the Dallas Cowboys, given our last Super Bowl winning coaches were certainly not retread coaches.

[jman]

The longer Cowher and Gruden remain in broadcasting, the bigger dinosaurs they become. I wish someone could provide a legitimate argument with why a retread coach is the right thing for the Dallas Cowboys, given our last Super Bowl winning coaches were certainly not retread coaches.

Dick Vermeil...

Not saying...just saying, ya know?

[Bleu Star]

The longer Cowher and Gruden remain in broadcasting, the bigger dinosaurs they become. I wish someone could provide a legitimate argument with why a retread coach is the right thing for the Dallas Cowboys, given our last Super Bowl winning coaches were certainly not retread coaches.

Urban Meyer could be Jimmy Johnson II. :)

[Hostile]

I prefer he go there over the Redskins. Zorn deserves another year at least.

:grin:

[CATCH17]

Anyone remember that very brief period last year when the Skins thought they had their next great coach in Jim Zorn?

[RS12]

Shanny starting to become like a divorcee on the dating circuit.

[FanSince61]

I just heard it on Sirius NFL Radio. According to a close friend of a reputable person on the show, Shanny has said he is interested in the Bears HC job. He allegedly would be fine working with the current GM (Jerry Angelo) and only asks that he have the final say if there ever turns out to be a disagreement across various areas (scouting, GM, HC).



He's making little Danny sweat. :laugh2:

[UnoDallas]

OMG

is there anybody in their right mind who wants them

Cowher - Chuckie - or even Fisher

they are all retreads - what have the ever won

Cowher 1 SB in 15 years
Fisher 1 appearence in a SB in 15 yrs
Chuckie - 1 SB win with Dungy's team - only had 2 good seasom in 7 years

we don't need any stinkin retreads

[Beast_from_East]

OMG

is there anybody in their right mind who wants them

Cowher - Chuckie - or even Fisher

they are all retreads - what have the ever won

Cowher 1 SB in 15 years
Fisher 1 appearence in a SB in 15 yrs
Chuckie - 1 SB win with Dungy's team - only had 2 good seasom in 7 years

we don't need any stinkin retreads
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[Beast_from_East]

Our next head coach is already in Dallas.

Yep, Wade is just keeping the seat warm for Garrett.

[Bleu Star]

OMG

is there anybody in their right mind who wants them

Cowher - Chuckie - or even Fisher

they are all retreads - what have the ever won

Cowher 1 SB in 15 years
Fisher 1 appearence in a SB in 15 yrs
Chuckie - 1 SB win with Dungy's team - only had 2 good seasom in 7 years

we don't need any stinkin retreads

All three will whip this team into a contender. Some might argue that it's a contender now. I beg to differ. It's still trying to find that magical continuity road. I repeat. All three would have this team extremely focused all season long. Especially Cowher... That said, retreat or not, the next coach is going to have to be able to balance managing the team along with walking that delicate gm/owner relationship line.

[Bleu Star]

Yep, Wade is just keeping the seat warm for Garrett.

This is probably the case... Whatever. It has already been 13 years. What's another 5?

[casmith07]

This is probably the case... Whatever. It has already been 13 years. What's another 5?

If thats the case, keep Wade for continuity.

[Beast_from_East]

If thats the case, keep Wade for continuity.

I would love to keep Wade as the DC, but I just dont see Wade accepting a demotion from HC to DC, he has too much pride for that (unlike Campo apparently).

So if Garrett is named the HC (after no playoffs or one-and-done again), who would Garrett bring in to run the defense???

Maybe Don Capers???

[Hoofbite]

Yep. And I'm still not sure why we're looking to replace the current one when our team's got as good a shot at representing the NFC as anybody right now.

Probably because this team has been in that position since he got here and no forward progress has really been made.

Coaches aren't hired to "stay the course".

Sucks for Wade but he was chosen to take things to the next level and he hasn't.

[Beast_from_East]

Probably because this team has been in that position since he got here and no forward progress has really been made.

Coaches aren't hired to "stay the course".

Sucks for Wade but he was chosen to take things to the next level and he hasn't.

Yep, Wade was not hired to rebuild the team, he was hired to win a ring. This is year 3 under Wade and so far 0 playoff wins. Apparently that part about winning a ring was not completely clear to Wade when he was hired.

So it looks like Garrett is next "on deck" and he gets a couple of shots at a ring before moving on to plan C.

Hopefully some coach at some point will get this team over the hump before Romo retires, because this is a 5 win ball club without Romo.

[BAT]

I would love to keep Wade as the DC, but I just dont see Wade accepting a demotion from HC to DC, he has too much pride for that (unlike Campo apparently).

So if Garrett is named the HC (after no playoffs or one-and-done again), who would Garrett bring in to run the defense???

Maybe Don Capers???

Doubtful. Capers is already the DC for the Pack. Maybe Gregg Williams. Williams is supposed to be only on a one year deal.

[Eddie]

No more rethreads.

How about someone with fire and brimstone?

[Bleu Star]

No more rethreads.

How about someone with fire and brimstone?

I think the retread argument is often taken too far. Sure. There are some retreads out there that I can surely do without. There are also some very good tenured, proven coaches that could step right in and make an immediate impact with this team while people like Romo are still relevant.

[Mansta54]

Our next head coach is already in Dallas.

Bingo!!!!

[CowboyMcCoy]

Good!! Why people think he's so great is beyond me.


He looks like a wax character.

[CowboyMcCoy]

OMG

is there anybody in their right mind who wants them

Cowher - Chuckie - or even Fisher

they are all retreads - what have the ever won

Cowher 1 SB in 15 years
Fisher 1 appearence in a SB in 15 yrs
Chuckie - 1 SB win with Dungy's team - only had 2 good seasom in 7 years

we don't need any stinkin retreads

:hammer:

[UnoDallas]

All three will whip this team into a contender. Some might argue that it's a contender now. I beg to differ. It's still trying to find that magical continuity road. I repeat. All three would have this team extremely focused all season long. Especially Cowher... That said, retreat or not, the next coach is going to have to be able to balance managing the team along with walking that delicate gm/owner relationship line.

And you know this how ?????????? Sorry Bleu I just gotta laugh - I respect your opinion just disagree with it - I think all of these guys while being scary coaches (Whip This Team into Contenders come on give me a break) - can not deal with today players

I am glad you think so

but I see nothing special about these guys

what did hiring B Parcells do for us - got us 34-30 record - got us some good D players

might as well keep Wade

Shanny
1999: 6-10 (no playoffs)
2000: 11-5 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2001: 8-8 (no playoffs)
2002: 9-7 (no playoffs)
2003: 10-6 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2004: 10-6 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2005: 13-3 (1-1 in playoffs)
2006: 9-7 (no playoffs)
2007: 7-9 (no playoffs)
2008: 8-8 (no playoffs)



Grudens Record at TB - 57 - 55
Fichers - 135 - 109
Cowher - 149 - 90

Cowher will end up in Carolina or CBS studio
Gruden ESPN
Fisher is not going anywhere

just my opinion

[Bleu Star]

And you know this how ?????????? Sorry Bleu I just gotta laugh - I respect your opinion just disagree with it - I think all of these guys while being scary coaches (Whip This Team into Contenders come on give me a break) - can not deal with today players

I am glad you think so

but I see nothing special about these guys

what did hiring B Parcells do for us - got us 34-30 record - got us some good D players

might as well keep Wade

Shanny
1999: 6-10 (no playoffs)
2000: 11-5 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2001: 8-8 (no playoffs)
2002: 9-7 (no playoffs)
2003: 10-6 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2004: 10-6 (lost in first round of playoffs)
2005: 13-3 (1-1 in playoffs)
2006: 9-7 (no playoffs)
2007: 7-9 (no playoffs)
2008: 8-8 (no playoffs)



Grudens Record at TB - 57 - 55
Fichers - 135 - 109
Cowher - 149 - 90

Cowher will end up in Carolina or CBS studio
Gruden ESPN
Fisher is not going anywhere

just my opinion

At least we can respect each others opinions... I'm really not into laying out the gaudy stats to try and prove a point. I know that Fisher, Cowher, and Chucky could all elevate this team into an area where accountability and continuity are words that become commonplace. I believe you need both to win a championship. You disagree. Cool. :thumbup:

[Idgit]

Probably because this team has been in that position since he got here and no forward progress has really been made.

Coaches aren't hired to "stay the course".

Sucks for Wade but he was chosen to take things to the next level and he hasn't.

Silly me. I thought he'd taken us to the next level his first year, then had a setback before getting us to where we are now. I don't see how we say he's 'stayed the course' with this season still in play.

[lkelly]

OMG

is there anybody in their right mind who wants them

Cowher - Chuckie - or even Fisher

they are all retreads - what have the ever won

Cowher 1 SB in 15 years
Fisher 1 appearence in a SB in 15 yrs
Chuckie - 1 SB win with Dungy's team - only had 2 good seasom in 7 years

we don't need any stinkin retreads

Those are some seriously myopic statistics. How about this:

Cowher - 2 Super Bowl appearances, better win % than Chuck Noll, 2 time NFL Coach of the Year, 5 AFC Championship appearances, 8 division championships, 8 playoff wins since Dallas last won a playoff game, made AFC Championship with 3 different starting QBs (including Kordell Steward TWICE), went 15-1 with a rookie QB starting the final 13 games. That's just skimming the surface - won't bother to get into the number of Pro Bowlers, team statistical rankings, etc.

Fisher - Very respectable .557 winning percentage (considering he was in the same division as Cowher's Steelers and then moved to the same division as Manning's Colts), 5 playoff wins since Dallas' last one.

Chuckie (my least favorite) - managed to guide a modern day AL DAVIS owned team to a .594 winning percentage (no losing seasons) and 2 division championships, won the NFC South 3 times in 7 years in Tampa, 5 playoff wins since Dallas' last one, 3 of 4 career playoff losses were to eventual Super Bowl champs.

It's tough to make a sane argument that the first 2 on this list wouldn't be substantial upgrades to Wade. Hiring a college coach is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in the gun. Outside of a proven name (your "retreads"), the only other option is to roll the dice with Big Red or some other hot assistant. Maybe you strike it Rich, or maybe you end up with Chan Gailey part II. hard to imagine it's a slam dunk decision over the "retreads."

[Hoofbite]

Silly me. I thought he'd taken us to the next level his first year, then had a setback before getting us to where we are now. I don't see how we say he's 'stayed the course' with this season still in play.

By "next level" I meant a playoff win. I don't know what you consider the "next level". Where Dallas is now is pretty much where they were before he arrived. Still fighting to make the playoffs and you can say he's "stayed the course" because you can only talk about what HAS happened.

Regarding the future, I think most agree that Wade needs to win a playoff game or two in order to have a shot at coming back. If he doesn't produce playoff victory/victories, he's gone.

Its kind of under the assumption that Wade doesn't take the next step that people are looking to replace him.

[Bleu Star]

Those are some seriously myopic statistics. How about this:

Cowher - 2 Super Bowl appearances, better win % than Chuck Noll, 2 time NFL Coach of the Year, 5 AFC Championship appearances, 8 division championships, 8 playoff wins since Dallas last won a playoff game, made AFC Championship with 3 different starting QBs (including Kordell Steward TWICE), went 15-1 with a rookie QB starting the final 13 games. That's just skimming the surface - won't bother to get into the number of Pro Bowlers, team statistical rankings, etc.

Fisher - Very respectable .557 winning percentage (considering he was in the same division as Cowher's Steelers and then moved to the same division as Manning's Colts), 5 playoff wins since Dallas' last one.

Chuckie (my least favorite) - managed to guide a modern day AL DAVIS owned team to a .594 winning percentage (no losing seasons) and 2 division championships, won the NFC South 3 times in 7 years in Tampa, 5 playoff wins since Dallas' last one, 3 of 4 career playoff losses were to eventual Super Bowl champs.

It's tough to make a sane argument that the first 2 on this list wouldn't be substantial upgrades to Wade. Hiring a college coach is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in the gun. Outside of a proven name (your "retreads"), the only other option is to roll the dice with Big Red or some other hot assistant. Maybe you strike it Rich, or maybe you end up with Chan Gailey part II. hard to imagine it's a slam dunk decision over the "retreads."

Nice post. Stats schmats.

[tyke1doe]

Those are some seriously myopic statistics. How about this:

Cowher - 2 Super Bowl appearances, better win % than Chuck Noll, 2 time NFL Coach of the Year, 5 AFC Championship appearances, 8 division championships, 8 playoff wins since Dallas last won a playoff game, made AFC Championship with 3 different starting QBs (including Kordell Steward TWICE), went 15-1 with a rookie QB starting the final 13 games. That's just skimming the surface - won't bother to get into the number of Pro Bowlers, team statistical rankings, etc.

Fisher - Very respectable .557 winning percentage (considering he was in the same division as Cowher's Steelers and then moved to the same division as Manning's Colts), 5 playoff wins since Dallas' last one.

Chuckie (my least favorite) - managed to guide a modern day AL DAVIS owned team to a .594 winning percentage (no losing seasons) and 2 division championships, won the NFC South 3 times in 7 years in Tampa, 5 playoff wins since Dallas' last one, 3 of 4 career playoff losses were to eventual Super Bowl champs.

It's tough to make a sane argument that the first 2 on this list wouldn't be substantial upgrades to Wade. Hiring a college coach is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in the gun. Outside of a proven name (your "retreads"), the only other option is to roll the dice with Big Red or some other hot assistant. Maybe you strike it Rich, or maybe you end up with Chan Gailey part II. hard to imagine it's a slam dunk decision over the "retreads."


Good post.

The other consideration we must taken into account is how often teams return to the Super Bowl. Unless you have a team of the decade, your Super Bowl appearances are going to be few and far between. Belichick's been to four, but he has a team of the decade led by Brady.

It took Holmgren eight years to return to the Super Bowl between his Packers squad (97) and his Seahawk squad (06).

It took Dungy several years and none of the current coaches who've led teams to the Super Bowl outside of Belichick have returned, especially with completely different teams like Holmgren and Cowher (9 years) did.

In summary: offering how long it took Cowher or Fisher to get to the Super Bowl/win the Super Bowl is more par for the course than an anonmoly, unless you're one of these teams of the decade who make multiple appearances with the same coach and same elite quarterback.

The best you can hope for if you're not one of the teams of the decade is to field a solid team that at least has a chance to compete for the Super Bowl, and that's by making the playoffs.

[Idgit]

By "next level" I meant a playoff win. I don't know what you consider the "next level". Where Dallas is now is pretty much where they were before he arrived. Still fighting to make the playoffs and you can say he's "stayed the course" because you can only talk about what HAS happened.

Regarding the future, I think most agree that Wade needs to win a playoff game or two in order to have a shot at coming back. If he doesn't produce playoff victory/victories, he's gone.

Its kind of under the assumption that Wade doesn't take the next step that people are looking to replace him.

I agree that it's under assumption, but it shouldn't be. We need to just sit tight and see if he can take the next step or not. Winning out is entirely possible, meaning he'll have won the NFCE two of three years and will have as good a shot in the NFC this year as anybody. Losing out is also possible, at which point it makes sense to talk about replacing him.

[Yeagermeister]

Fisher is a retread?:confused: He's only coached one team.