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newlander
01-31-2010, 09:56 AM
That's a toughie, but I'd have to give Revis the edge right now. I think Jenkins will explode next year though. Sky's the limit for Jenkins ....if he keeps his nose to the grindstone and doesn't buy into the hype he's got a chance to be on of the best CB's to ever wear the star IMO: Renfro, Sanders, and Smith included.........:bow:

Romo 2 Austin
01-31-2010, 11:36 AM
Sanders is the best CB of all time. If Jenkins can replicate that, we will win more than 1 super bowl over the next couple of years

Hostile
01-31-2010, 11:40 AM
Revis is. I still like Nnamdi Asomugha as well. Jenkins has time to rise. There is no rush, or at least there shouldn't be.

Hostile
01-31-2010, 11:41 AM
RIP Believe Movement 2009 season, founded post San Diego Chargers loss by Romo 2 Austin & Slate.That's in your sig. Why are you taking credit for starting that movement? Slate didn't start it either. That's kind of crappy man.

Romo 2 Austin
01-31-2010, 11:42 AM
Revis is. I still like Nnamdi Asomugha as well. Jenkins has time to rise. There is no rush, or at least there shouldn't be.

I'd take Asomugha over any CB right not. If Age was not a factor then it has to come down to Revis and Jenkins whom are both 24.

Romo 2 Austin
01-31-2010, 11:42 AM
That's in your sig. Why are you taking credit for starting that movement? Slate didn't start it either. That's kind of crappy man.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171272

big dog cowboy
01-31-2010, 12:12 PM
That's a toughie, but I'd have to give Revis the edge right now.
Revis is.
Sanders is the best CB of all time.
You are showing you age again.

Romo 2 Austin
01-31-2010, 12:13 PM
Revis is.

You are showing you age again.

so who is the best

only one I can think of that was close to Sanders is Woodson

Hostile
01-31-2010, 12:19 PM
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171272
This is where the "Movement" started.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171854

Avery
01-31-2010, 12:36 PM
Jenkins is great, but Revis is better at this point.

CB's ebb and flow, though; remember how Cromartie was being touted a few years back and is an afterthought right now?

As for who the best ever is, I would take Deion #1 as he changed the position much like LT did for LB. Dick Lane would be #2 and Mel Blount and Rod Woodson would be up there. I also think Darrell Green deserves even more credit than he gets.

It's tough to compare eras as the rules have changed so much; Lane would not have been as effective now as he was back then.

zrinkill
01-31-2010, 01:46 PM
You are showing you age again.

Yup ....

Romo 2 Austin
01-31-2010, 01:47 PM
Yup ....

Avery says the same thing, no one says anything to him. I say it and like 3 people respond calling out my age?

Wheres the anti-r2a bias coming from

Maikeru-sama
01-31-2010, 01:50 PM
If I could choose any Corner on my team right now, I would choose Charles Woodson.

As for the Question, I have only heard about Revis, but haven't watched a lot of his games, so I have no idea.

But if I had to choose, I would go with Revis.

DFWJC
01-31-2010, 02:36 PM
That's a toughie, but I'd have to give Revis the edge right now. I think Jenkins will explode next year though. Sky's the limit for Jenkins ....if he keeps his nose to the grindstone and doesn't buy into the hype he's got a chance to be on of the best CB's to ever wear the star IMO: Renfro, Sanders, and Smith included.........:bow:
What? Revis or Jenkins?...WHAT!?!
Love Jenkins, but come on.

Rampage
01-31-2010, 02:48 PM
Revis had one of if not the best seasons for a cb that I've ever seen this year.

Juke99
01-31-2010, 02:49 PM
Revis. I live in NY...have seen him play a lot. He's the best.

mortboy
01-31-2010, 02:55 PM
Revis had one of if not the best seasons for a cb that I've ever seen this year.

Agree 100%. He had the best season of any CB this year.

stilltheguru
01-31-2010, 11:12 PM
Avery says the same thing, no one says anything to him. I say it and like 3 people respond calling out my age?

Wheres the anti-r2a bias coming from



Learn your place on this site buddy. Age has nothing to do with it man. Deion was the best cornerback ever. Opposing players have said it, coaches have said it. It's not like its an outlandish claim so don't worry about these old timers who have their minds stuck on the Willie Hayes, Darrell Greens of the world.

thechosen1n2
02-01-2010, 12:07 AM
Revis...I agree with some about nnamdi being close, but with that said he is the best player on a terrrrrrrible team. Why test him when you burn the other side. Revis shuts down the teams best receiver and covers a whold side of the field. Hes physical, fast, and a student of the postition.

MarionBarberThe4th
02-01-2010, 12:13 AM
Revis had an all-time NFL season at any position

TheSport78
02-01-2010, 12:22 AM
Revis and Jenkins isn't close to him right now because Revis is in a class by himself. No one has left Revis Island alive.

Paniolo22
02-01-2010, 01:38 AM
When we were saying Newman was impressive taking the other teams number 1 away every once in a while, Revis did this EVERY WEEK!!! No one did anything against him. Revis by far...

stilltheguru
02-01-2010, 03:26 AM
When Nnamdi follows the best reciever around the field he can be in the discussion. It's only between Revis and Woodson right now because they stalk their prey.

newlander
02-01-2010, 08:51 AM
As long as we're getting into "best corners of all time" territory this man should NEVER be left out of that conversation:

Mike Haynes (cornerback)

Round: 1 / Pick: 5College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_athletic_conferences)Arizona State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University)Professional teams


New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots) (1976 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_NFL_season)-1982 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_NFL_season))
Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders) (1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_NFL_season)-1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NFL_season))



Career statsInterceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_(football))46INT yards688Touchdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown)2Stats at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=HAY692125)Career highlights and awards

9× Pro Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl) selection (1976 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Pro_Bowl), 1977 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Pro_Bowl), 1978 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Pro_Bowl), 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pro_Bowl), 1980 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Pro_Bowl), 1982 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Pro_Bowl), 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Pro_Bowl), 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Pro_Bowl), 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Pro_Bowl))
NFL 75th Anniversary All-Time Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_75th_Anniversary_All-Time_Team)
NFL 1980s All-Decade Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_1980s_All-Decade_Team)
1976 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Defensive_Rookie_of_the_Year)
1976 UPI AFC Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPI_AFL-AFC_Rookie_of_the_Year)
1984 George S. Halas Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Halas_Trophy)
New England Patriots #40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots#Retired_Numbers) retired


Pro Football Hall of Fame (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?PLAYER_ID=90)
College Football Hall of Fame (http://www.collegefootball.org/famersearch.php?id=70058)
Michael James Haynes (born July 1, 1953 in Denison, Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denison,_Texas)) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) former National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) cornerback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerback) who played for the New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots) and the Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders). He used his speed, quickness and range to become both a premier defensive back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_back) and an outstanding punt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_(football)) return specialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_specialist).
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<LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1">1 Early years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#Early_years) <LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2">2 College career (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#College_career) <LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3">3 Pro football career (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#Pro_football_career)
<LI class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4">3.1 New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#New_England_Patriots)
3.2 Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#Los_Angeles_Raiders)<LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6">4 All-Pro Football 2K8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#All-Pro_Football_2K8)
5 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#External_links)//[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=1)] Early years

Mike Haynes played cornerback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerback) at John Marshall High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall_High_School) in Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles). He received numerous all-league and all-city honors while there. In addition to football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) Haynes also participated in track and field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_and_field) and currently hold the long jump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump) record at John Marshall High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall_High_School)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=2)] College career

At Arizona State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University), Mike Haynes was a three-time All-Western Athletic Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Athletic_Conference) selection, and a two-time All-America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-America) selection. In 2001 he ws inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Hall_of_Fame).
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=3)] Pro football career

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=4)] New England Patriots

He enjoyed a sensational rookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie) year with the Patriots with eight interceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_(football)) and an AFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_Conference)-leading 608 yards on 45 punt returns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_return). That year, Haynes gave the Patriots their first-ever touchdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown) on punt returns with 89-yard and 62-yard returns. He earned a Pro Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl) invitation as a rookie, the first of nine Pro Bowl bids.
Haynes recorded 28 interceptions and 1,159 yards on 111 returns, a 10.4-yard average during his seven years with the Patriots. He started his career with 58 consecutive starts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_lineup) before being sidelined with a rib injury late in 1979.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=5)] Los Angeles Raiders

Haynes played out his option with the Patriots in 1982, and in November, 1983, his contract was awarded to the Los Angeles Raiders in a settlement that gave the Patriots a No. 1 draft choice in 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_NFL_Draft) and a No. 2 pick in 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_NFL_Draft). He played the last five games in 1983 and then started and had one interception in the Raiders’ Super Bowl XVIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XVIII) victory.
In seven seasons with the Raiders, Haynes returned only one punt but he added 18 interceptions to give him a career total of 46 which were returned for 688 yards and two touchdowns, including a team-record 97-yard return against Miami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins) in 1984. Haynes was an All-Pro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Pro) choice in 1977, 1978, 1982, 1984 and 1985 and an All-AFC pick eight times.
In 1997, he was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame). In 1999, he was ranked number 93 on The Sporting News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sporting_News)' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=6)] All-Pro Football 2K8

In the video game All Pro Football 2K8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Pro_Football_2K8), Mike Haynes originally appeared as a Gold Cornerback with the abilities "Coverage Bonus - Player has excellent pass coverage skills" and "Return Specialist - Player is skilled at returning punts or kicks". After the first patch for the XBox 360 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBox_360) version of the game however, Mike Haynes' name was changed to "Mark Smith". No explanation for the change was ever presented. All of Mark Smith's abilities, player model, and even facial features, remained unchanged from those of Mike Haynes.



........if this guy wasn't the best he was certainly the most underrated. Smooth as silk too....

Doomsday101
02-01-2010, 08:55 AM
I would have to say Revis. I'm happy with the play of Jenkins and think he is only going to get better but when comparing the 2 thus far Revis is better

burmafrd
02-01-2010, 09:02 AM
Lester Stick em Hayes is up there as well.

ABQCOWBOY
02-01-2010, 09:38 AM
As long as we're getting into "best corners of all time" territory this man should NEVER be left out of that conversation:

Mike Haynes (cornerback)

Round: 1 / Pick: 5College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_athletic_conferences)Arizona State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University)Professional teams


New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots) (1976 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_NFL_season)-1982 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_NFL_season))
Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders) (1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_NFL_season)-1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NFL_season))



Career statsInterceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_(football))46INT yards688Touchdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown)2Stats at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=HAY692125)Career highlights and awards

9× Pro Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl) selection (1976 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Pro_Bowl), 1977 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Pro_Bowl), 1978 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Pro_Bowl), 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pro_Bowl), 1980 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Pro_Bowl), 1982 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Pro_Bowl), 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Pro_Bowl), 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Pro_Bowl), 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Pro_Bowl))
NFL 75th Anniversary All-Time Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_75th_Anniversary_All-Time_Team)
NFL 1980s All-Decade Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_1980s_All-Decade_Team)
1976 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Defensive_Rookie_of_the_Year)
1976 UPI AFC Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPI_AFL-AFC_Rookie_of_the_Year)
1984 George S. Halas Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Halas_Trophy)
New England Patriots #40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots#Retired_Numbers) retired


Pro Football Hall of Fame (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?PLAYER_ID=90)
College Football Hall of Fame (http://www.collegefootball.org/famersearch.php?id=70058)
Michael James Haynes (born July 1, 1953 in Denison, Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denison,_Texas)) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) former National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) cornerback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerback) who played for the New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots) and the Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders). He used his speed, quickness and range to become both a premier defensive back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_back) and an outstanding punt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_(football)) return specialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_specialist).
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<LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1">1 Early years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#Early_years) <LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2">2 College career (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#College_career) <LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3">3 Pro football career (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#Pro_football_career)
<LI class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4">3.1 New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#New_England_Patriots)
3.2 Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#Los_Angeles_Raiders)<LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6">4 All-Pro Football 2K8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#All-Pro_Football_2K8)
5 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)#External_links)//[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=1)] Early years

Mike Haynes played cornerback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerback) at John Marshall High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall_High_School) in Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles). He received numerous all-league and all-city honors while there. In addition to football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) Haynes also participated in track and field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_and_field) and currently hold the long jump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump) record at John Marshall High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall_High_School)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=2)] College career

At Arizona State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University), Mike Haynes was a three-time All-Western Athletic Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Athletic_Conference) selection, and a two-time All-America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-America) selection. In 2001 he ws inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Hall_of_Fame).
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=3)] Pro football career

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=4)] New England Patriots

He enjoyed a sensational rookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie) year with the Patriots with eight interceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_(football)) and an AFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_Conference)-leading 608 yards on 45 punt returns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_return). That year, Haynes gave the Patriots their first-ever touchdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown) on punt returns with 89-yard and 62-yard returns. He earned a Pro Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl) invitation as a rookie, the first of nine Pro Bowl bids.
Haynes recorded 28 interceptions and 1,159 yards on 111 returns, a 10.4-yard average during his seven years with the Patriots. He started his career with 58 consecutive starts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_lineup) before being sidelined with a rib injury late in 1979.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=5)] Los Angeles Raiders

Haynes played out his option with the Patriots in 1982, and in November, 1983, his contract was awarded to the Los Angeles Raiders in a settlement that gave the Patriots a No. 1 draft choice in 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_NFL_Draft) and a No. 2 pick in 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_NFL_Draft). He played the last five games in 1983 and then started and had one interception in the Raiders’ Super Bowl XVIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XVIII) victory.
In seven seasons with the Raiders, Haynes returned only one punt but he added 18 interceptions to give him a career total of 46 which were returned for 688 yards and two touchdowns, including a team-record 97-yard return against Miami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins) in 1984. Haynes was an All-Pro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Pro) choice in 1977, 1978, 1982, 1984 and 1985 and an All-AFC pick eight times.
In 1997, he was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame). In 1999, he was ranked number 93 on The Sporting News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sporting_News)' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_(cornerback)&action=edit&section=6)] All-Pro Football 2K8

In the video game All Pro Football 2K8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Pro_Football_2K8), Mike Haynes originally appeared as a Gold Cornerback with the abilities "Coverage Bonus - Player has excellent pass coverage skills" and "Return Specialist - Player is skilled at returning punts or kicks". After the first patch for the XBox 360 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBox_360) version of the game however, Mike Haynes' name was changed to "Mark Smith". No explanation for the change was ever presented. All of Mark Smith's abilities, player model, and even facial features, remained unchanged from those of Mike Haynes.



........if this guy wasn't the best he was certainly the most underrated. Smooth as silk too....

He was probably the best all around CB I ever saw play. I would say that Deon was the best cover CB I've ever watched play but I would not say that he was the best CB. Woodson was a very good all around CB as well.

Right now, Revis and Asomugha are probably the best CBs going right now, IMO. Woodson is a pretty good CB put I don't think he's better then these other two. JMO.

Phoenix
02-01-2010, 11:24 PM
You beat me to it, after I saw the posts of best of all time...Michael Haynes was who I thought of immediately. Prime Time, definitely was top 3 or so of all time, I think. Hey, even on the Cowboys, we had another guy not mentioned that wasn't too bad. Teams used to come to Texas Stadium and see banners saying "Up against the Wall!" (Everson Walls)

Even Kevin Smith was pretty darn good for a few years before he became Kevin "burnt toast" Smith...

Mel Renfro was GREAT.

But Jenkins against Revis. Ha ha. I can't even believe that's debatable. Look at the receivers that Revis played pretty much man to man all year and shut down. The guy is peeking big time, had one of the best CB years ever this season. Jenkins did well, but he's not in the same league as Revis right now. He'll keep improving I think though, so who knows where he might wind up. But right now? Revis, every day, and DEFINITELY on Sunday.


As long as we're getting into "best corners of all time" territory this man should NEVER be left out of that conversation:

Mike Haynes (cornerback)

Round: 1 / Pick: 5College (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_athletic_conferences)Arizona State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University)Professional teams

New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots) (1976 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_NFL_season)-1982 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_NFL_season))
Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders) (1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_NFL_season)-1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NFL_season))


Career statsInterceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_%28football%29)46INT yards688Touchdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown)2Stats at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=HAY692125)Career highlights and awards
9× Pro Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl) selection (1976 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Pro_Bowl), 1977 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Pro_Bowl), 1978 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Pro_Bowl), 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pro_Bowl), 1980 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Pro_Bowl), 1982 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Pro_Bowl), 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Pro_Bowl), 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Pro_Bowl), 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Pro_Bowl))
NFL 75th Anniversary All-Time Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_75th_Anniversary_All-Time_Team)
NFL 1980s All-Decade Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_1980s_All-Decade_Team)
1976 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Defensive_Rookie_of_the_Year)
1976 UPI AFC Rookie of the Year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPI_AFL-AFC_Rookie_of_the_Year)
1984 George S. Halas Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Halas_Trophy)
New England Patriots #40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots#Retired_Numbers) retired

Pro Football Hall of Fame (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?PLAYER_ID=90)
College Football Hall of Fame (http://www.collegefootball.org/famersearch.php?id=70058)
Michael James Haynes (born July 1, 1953 in Denison, Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denison,_Texas)) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) former National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) cornerback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerback) who played for the New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots) and the Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders). He used his speed, quickness and range to become both a premier defensive back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_back) and an outstanding punt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_%28football%29) return specialist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_specialist).
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<LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-1">1 Early years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29#Early_years) <LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-2">2 College career (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29#College_career) <LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-3">3 Pro football career (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29#Pro_football_career)
<LI class="toclevel-2 tocsection-4">3.1 New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29#New_England_Patriots)
3.2 Los Angeles Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29#Los_Angeles_Raiders)<LI class="toclevel-1 tocsection-6">4 All-Pro Football 2K8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29#All-Pro_Football_2K8)
5 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29#External_links)//[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29&action=edit&section=1)] Early years

Mike Haynes played cornerback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerback) at John Marshall High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall_High_School) in Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles). He received numerous all-league and all-city honors while there. In addition to football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) Haynes also participated in track and field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_and_field) and currently hold the long jump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_jump) record at John Marshall High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Marshall_High_School)
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At Arizona State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_State_University), Mike Haynes was a three-time All-Western Athletic Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Athletic_Conference) selection, and a two-time All-America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-America) selection. In 2001 he ws inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Hall_of_Fame).
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[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29&action=edit&section=4)] New England Patriots

He enjoyed a sensational rookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie) year with the Patriots with eight interceptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interception_%28football%29) and an AFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_Conference)-leading 608 yards on 45 punt returns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punt_return). That year, Haynes gave the Patriots their first-ever touchdowns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown) on punt returns with 89-yard and 62-yard returns. He earned a Pro Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl) invitation as a rookie, the first of nine Pro Bowl bids.
Haynes recorded 28 interceptions and 1,159 yards on 111 returns, a 10.4-yard average during his seven years with the Patriots. He started his career with 58 consecutive starts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_lineup) before being sidelined with a rib injury late in 1979.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29&action=edit&section=5)] Los Angeles Raiders

Haynes played out his option with the Patriots in 1982, and in November, 1983, his contract was awarded to the Los Angeles Raiders in a settlement that gave the Patriots a No. 1 draft choice in 1984 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_NFL_Draft) and a No. 2 pick in 1985 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_NFL_Draft). He played the last five games in 1983 and then started and had one interception in the Raiders’ Super Bowl XVIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XVIII) victory.
In seven seasons with the Raiders, Haynes returned only one punt but he added 18 interceptions to give him a career total of 46 which were returned for 688 yards and two touchdowns, including a team-record 97-yard return against Miami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins) in 1984. Haynes was an All-Pro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Pro) choice in 1977, 1978, 1982, 1984 and 1985 and an All-AFC pick eight times.
In 1997, he was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame). In 1999, he was ranked number 93 on The Sporting News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sporting_News)' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Haynes_%28cornerback%29&action=edit&section=6)] All-Pro Football 2K8

In the video game All Pro Football 2K8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Pro_Football_2K8), Mike Haynes originally appeared as a Gold Cornerback with the abilities "Coverage Bonus - Player has excellent pass coverage skills" and "Return Specialist - Player is skilled at returning punts or kicks". After the first patch for the XBox 360 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBox_360) version of the game however, Mike Haynes' name was changed to "Mark Smith". No explanation for the change was ever presented. All of Mark Smith's abilities, player model, and even facial features, remained unchanged from those of Mike Haynes.



........if this guy wasn't the best he was certainly the most underrated. Smooth as silk too....

BraveHeartFan
02-02-2010, 10:50 AM
Revis hands down, going away, it's not close.

I love Jenkins and i think he'll continue to improve and become very special but Revis is just in a class all alone.

Joe Rod
02-02-2010, 03:06 PM
I am so happy we have Jenkins, because he has a very high ceiling, but Revis was at a whole other level last season. He was awesome.

skyboy
02-03-2010, 12:29 AM
Haden barely. As far as college players Jenkins was better. But Haden is more fluid and he's got better speed. Jenkins was the better tackler though.

I always love how as soon as a guy struggles in the NFL everyone acts like he was a horrible prospect.

BeWare94
02-03-2010, 12:02 PM
That's a toughie, but I'd have to give Revis the edge right now. I think Jenkins will explode next year though. Sky's the limit for Jenkins ....if he keeps his nose to the grindstone and doesn't buy into the hype he's got a chance to be on of the best CB's to ever wear the star IMO: Renfro, Sanders, and Smith included.........:bow:

I like Jenkins, too but are you serious?!?!

Teren_Kanan
02-03-2010, 11:31 PM
Wow.. just wow. Your homer-ism never ceases to amaze me.

Jenkins has shown amazing potential, maybe soon he'll be considered "elite", but he certainly isn't yet.

Comparing him to the Top dog? get real. Revis is playing at a higher level than any CB right now.

Jenkins isn't even close.