I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning because I saw nothing but a crybaby on the sidelines - complaining and not leading in a game where his leadership was needed the most.

Manning’s team responded in-kind and QB-Superman started to look like Clark Kent, and throwing like him too, real fast.

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

On top of that, his crybaby antics carried over to the post game; Manning shook no opponents' hands. He just quickly dashed/disappeared into his own locker room, kind of like a bully does with shame, after getting his *** kicked by the scrawny kid he was harassing.

I expect more from a QB that everyone touts as the best of all time and an ambassador of the game. Manning proved to me that he is neither.

[superpunk]

I don't remember much of the game, but I'm going to go ahead and give anyone who's just lost a Super Bowl a pass on meaningless acts of sportsmanship.

[CowboyWay]

The end of the superbowl is chaos. Just trying to find the opposing teams QB can take 20 minutes. I don't blame him.

For all we know they may of had an agreement saying, "whoever loses, don't bother looking for the other guy, congrats, but i'm just going to go into the locker room and let you celebrate".

[WoodysGirl]

Manning, Wayne skipped post-game handshakes (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/08/manning-wayne-skipped-post-game-handshakes/)

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 8, 2010 7:25 AM ET

The key play in the Indianapolis Colts' Super Bowl XLIV loss was the interception that Peyton Manning (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1493) threw on a pass intended for Reggie Wayne (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1496).

And so it's no surprise that Manning and Wayne weren't in particularly good spirits after the game, and that they went straight to the locker room instead of sticking around on the field afterward to offer post-game handshakes to the Saints.

But while it may not be surprising, Manning has been accused of "poor sportsmanship (http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/02/08/manning-beats-unhappy-hasty-retreat/)" for going to the leaving the field before offering congratulations to the Saints. And Wayne said he may have gotten to the locker room even more quickly than Manning.

"I didn't even watch them celebrate (http://www.indystar.com/article/20100208/SPORTS03/2080357/1100/Colts-squander-opportunities),'' Wayne said. "I was one of the first ones in the locker room. They're probably still out there. That's the way it goes when you win the Super Bowl. You stay out there. When you lose, you go to the locker room.''

Manning didn't give a post-game hug to Saints quarterback Drew Brees (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=591), but he said he'd call Brees to say congratulations.

"The stage is being set up for the celebration and it was time for the Saints to celebrate at midfield," Manning said. "They deserved the moment.''

[Jimz31]

The Mannings have always been known as babies when things aren't going their way

Remember back a couple of years ago when they were undefeated and we beat them? Remember him just whining and crying on the sidelines AND on the field? He's ALWAYS been this way.

[Doomsday101]

I saw nothing that would make me lose respect for Manning. The moment belonged to the Saints

[theogt]

Have you never watched Peyton Manning play?

[Romo 2 Austin]

you just now reliezed he is not the best of all time? I've said that forever.

[Cajuncowboy]

Wow! Manning has been a class act and he gets THIS?

Geez.

[vta]

Even an article about it? If you like a guy, his antics on the sideline are 'fire and passion' and exhorting his team mates. If you don't, it's 'whining'.

Jeez, if anyone is whining it's the people micro-scrutinizing every aspect to find fault and making a stink over something so insignificant.

Manning is the best QB of this era, not following 'protocol' after losing doesn't change a thing.

[WoodysGirl]

Brees says Manning reached out after game (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/08/brees-says-manning-reached-out-after-game/)

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 8, 2010 1:18 PM ET

We noted this morning that Colts quarterback Peyton Manning went straight to the locker room (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/08/manning-wayne-skipped-post-game-handshakes/)following Super Bowl XLIV, rather than staying on the field and shaking hands with Saints players.

Saints quarterback Drew Brees says he was OK with that, because the field became a mob scene after the game.

"After that game was over it immediately became kind of a free for all," Brees said today on ESPNews. "I was trying to find him and I know that he was trying to find me, but it was too much of a crazy crowd."

Brees said that Manning contacted him by phone late Sunday night.

"I was able to talk to him after the game, just text messaging," Brees said. "Obviously, I have a lot of respect for him and I know that he was definitely congratulatory toward our team."

Brees doesn't think anyone should interpret Manning going straight to the locker room as a slight.

"Peyton's a class guy," Brees said. "He definitely reached out."

[Don Corleone]

Give the guy a pass...he just lost the biggest game of the year, and one of the biggest of his career.

I don't blame him one bit...

[Woods]

Brees says Manning reached out after game (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/08/brees-says-manning-reached-out-after-game/)

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 8, 2010 1:18 PM ET

We noted this morning that Colts quarterback Peyton Manning went straight to the locker room (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/08/manning-wayne-skipped-post-game-handshakes/)following Super Bowl XLIV, rather than staying on the field and shaking hands with Saints players.

Saints quarterback Drew Brees says he was OK with that, because the field became a mob scene after the game.

"After that game was over it immediately became kind of a free for all," Brees said today on ESPNews. "I was trying to find him and I know that he was trying to find me, but it was too much of a crazy crowd."

Brees said that Manning contacted him by phone late Sunday night.

"I was able to talk to him after the game, just text messaging," Brees said. "Obviously, I have a lot of respect for him and I know that he was definitely congratulatory toward our team."

Brees doesn't think anyone should interpret Manning going straight to the locker room as a slight.

"Peyton's a class guy," Brees said. "He definitely reached out."

well,i guess that settles that. :laugh2:

[Arch Stanton]

I'll go with Drew Brees. :)

[jchap]

http://www.manningface.com/

[dallascowboyfanboy]

Can not stand any Peyton or Elisha Manning. I was too young when Archie Manning played. Painful to watch Peyton play QB with all of his bluff signals and just herky jerky movements and happy feet. hate his mechanics. Not that bright either. Don't think he's smarter than Brady, Romo, Brees, Rivers etc.

[DFWJC]

Manning is generally a class act. I have no idea what planet this OP was written from...but it sets a new standard for overreactions.

All I recall is Manning giving credit repeatedly to the Saints, Saints fans, Saints coaches, Brees, and Tracy Porter. I'm sure the guy was heart-broken so I would not expect some chipper, aweshucks, garbage from him.

Just let the dude lose in peace.

[DFWJC]

Can not stand any Peyton or Elisha Manning. I was too young when Archie Manning played. Painful to watch Peyton play QB with all of his bluff signals and just herky jerky movements and happy feet. hate his mechanics. Not that bright either. Don't think he's smarter than Brady, Romo, Brees, Rivers etc.
Uhhhh WHAT!?:bang2: :laugh2:
You can look in the mirror with that comment. He's a freaking computer on the field and you say he's not very bright?
Unbelievable.
You may want to re-think that commment. :)


Also, every single one of your football related QB comments are wrong. No, not happy feet...he was taught to do it that way for mutilple reasons. Poor passing form...good grief man, are you nuts? He has great form. And the herky jerky part is (in part) to keep the defenses confused. Ask anone playing against him and you'll know that he is outragiously effective and their worst nightmare.

If you visually just don't like to watch him, that's cool. But that is just you personal taste, not his problems.

Having said that, I'm happy for Brees and the Saints and I wanted them to win.

[Cajuncowboy]

Can not stand any Peyton or Elisha Manning. I was too young when Archie Manning played. Painful to watch Peyton play QB with all of his bluff signals and just herky jerky movements and happy feet. hate his mechanics. Not that bright either. Don't think he's smarter than Brady, Romo, Brees, Rivers etc.

You just proved you don't know anything about football. Way to go. :rolleyes:

[ArmyCowboy]

Can not stand any Peyton or Elisha Manning. I was too young when Archie Manning played. Painful to watch Peyton play QB with all of his bluff signals and just herky jerky movements and happy feet. hate his mechanics. Not that bright either. Don't think he's smarter than Brady, Romo, Brees, Rivers etc.
Are you serious? Manning not bright?

He pretty much runs that offense and is the most prepared QB in the league. He's also one of the best, if not THE best at reading defenses and and audibling into successful new plays.

If you don't like Manning, that's fine and it's certainly your perogative, but don't make silly statements that "he's not bright."

[ConcordCowboy]

I could care less about respect or whatever for Manning...but he should have shook Brees' hand after the game.

I don't want to hear all of the BS of he didn't have time or whatever...it takes a few seconds.

Manning is a great player no doubt...but he sure does come off as a baby when things don't go his way.

[hipfake08]

I saw nothing that would make me lose respect for Manning. The moment belonged to the Saints

Ditto.....

It was the Saints Stage that night.

[RXP]

It was Peyton biggest loss of his football life. No surprise he was disappointed/ticked. I would be too. Especially if I felt I game them the game at the end with a pick 6.

It was the Saints time at the end. They get the stage. They deserve it. They earned it. So what if they didn't meet on the field. Brees and Manning connected afterward. Good enough.

This is completely overblown.

[HoleInTheRoof]

Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL today.

[tyke1doe]

I don't remember much of the game, but I'm going to go ahead and give anyone who's just lost a Super Bowl a pass on meaningless acts of sportsmanship.

I have to agree with you. Many fans act like players are superhuman and aren't affected by the same things normal people are.

But I don't think most fans understand the devastating emotions that come from losing a game. And then to have millions of people watching you.

Like most average people, sometimes you need to withdraw and collect yourself before you reengage. Otherwise, you're liable to say something you regret.

Should Manning have stayed to congratulate Brees? Yes.

But is it the sign of ultimate disrespect and unsportsmanlike conduct? No.

[tyke1doe]

Can not stand any Peyton or Elisha Manning. I was too young when Archie Manning played. Painful to watch Peyton play QB with all of his bluff signals and just herky jerky movements and happy feet. hate his mechanics. Not that bright either. Don't think he's smarter than Brady, Romo, Brees, Rivers etc.

Seems I recall Romo, Brady, Brees and Rivers have made dumb interceptions too.

Wow.

Forgive Peyton Manning for not being perfect.

[burmafrd]

That wins today's dumbest post award as regards to summing up a player.

[Rampage]

Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL today.
yeah, until the regular season ends.

[SharutoX]

He just lost the superbowl man, i would be the same way.

[Dodger]

This is completely overblown.Plus 1

[ConcordCowboy]

Staubach lost TWO Super Bowls to the Steelers...no less crushing than this defeat.

Did he fail to shake Bradshaw's hand?

[CowboyFan74]

What no chocolates left behind on the pillow?

[tyke1doe]

Staubach lost TWO Super Bowls to the Steelers...no less crushing than this defeat.

Did he fail to shake Bradshaw's hand?

1. Staubach is not Peyton.

2. The Super Bowl wasn't as big then as it is now.

3. Staubach wasn't the subject of "Who is the Greatest Quarterback of All Time" arguments, increasing the pressure on him.

4. Staubach didn't grow up under the immense media pressure of this modern society with instant feedback, instant message, instant chat and everybody and his grandmother giving their uninformed opinion about what you should have done and why you suck because you don't shake another quarterback's hand right after the game.

5. I don't think they awarded the trophy to the winning team on the field but in the locker room. It was less pandemonium then as it is today.

[Bungarian]

I always thought the NFL told the Superbowl losers to get off the field quickly?

[birdwells1]

I guess all of y'all supported LeBron when he walked off the court and sent Dwight Howard a text message later huh?

Peyton was pissed but he still should have shown some class and try to find some of the NO players, I mean it's only 53 of them.

Peyton choked in the biggest moment not only did he throw the pick 6, he threw 2 other passes that could have been intercepted during the final 3 minutes or so.

To have the stats that he has he should have more SB wins and apperances. Peyton has lost big games against SD twice, Pittsburgh, and now NO when his team were favored to win and the first 3 were at home. Not only did his team lose but he played bad or not up to his regular season standard.

The SB that he did win he wasn't outstanding against a taylor made opponent. I think if the Cowboys get past Seattle then we beat Chicago the next week. Chicago had to be one of the worst SB teams ever. Their offense was just putrid.


As of now Peyton is the best regular season QB to ever play but the postseason is where your reputation is cemented.

Remember that Tennessee didn't win a national championship until the season after Peyton went to the pros.

[tyke1doe]

I guess all of y'all supported LeBron when he walked off the court and sent Dwight Howard a text message later huh?

Peyton was pissed but he still should have shown some class and try to find some of the NO players, I mean it's only 53 of them.

Peyton choked in the biggest moment not only did he throw the pick 6, he threw 2 other passes that could have been intercepted during the final 3 minutes or so.

To have the stats that he has he should have more SB wins and apperances. Peyton has lost big games against SD twice, Pittsburgh, and now NO when his team were favored to win and the first 3 were at home. Not only did his team lose but he played bad or not up to his regular season standard.

The SB that he did win he wasn't outstanding against a taylor made opponent. I think if the Cowboys get past Seattle then we beat Chicago the next week. Chicago had to be one of the worst SB teams ever. Their offense was just putrid.


As of now Peyton is the best regular season QB to ever play but the postseason is where your reputation is cemented.

Remember that Tennessee didn't win a national championship until the season after Peyton went to the pros.


It's still a Super Bowl win.

Please, let the hate go. It will make you rest easier at night. :)

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Wow! Manning has been a class act and he gets THIS?

Geez.

No, Manning has only been portrayed as a class act, but it's evident now that he is not. So yes, NOW he gets THIS!


AND BY THE WAY...

This is not about the handshake per se, or his demeanor after losing the Super Bowl. It's more about his demeanor DURING THE GAME. As the Colts were being challenged, Manning sat there with sour grapes on his face, as early as THE THIRD QUARTER BEFORE THE GAME WAS OVER. Instead of being a leader, he actet like a LITTLE PRISS, looking down on his teammates. His team needed him to step us as the leader he is prtrayed to be. Instead, he PROVED to not be that player - when the going got tough, Manning FOLDED.

[ShiningStar]

1. Staubach is not Peyton.

2. The Super Bowl wasn't as big then as it is now.

3. Staubach wasn't the subject of "Who is the Greatest Quarterback of All Time" arguments, increasing the pressure on him.

4. Staubach didn't grow up under the immense media pressure of this modern society with instant feedback, instant message, instant chat and everybody and his grandmother giving their uninformed opinion about what you should have done and why you suck because you don't shake another quarterback's hand right after the game.

5. I don't think they awarded the trophy to the winning team on the field but in the locker room. It was less pandemonium then as it is today.



what?

[Doomsday101]

what?

It was not the spectacle it is now, I attended a SB for 35 dollars a ticket in 1976 good luck going to that game now. Back then you had 3 networks now you many more in the media who are covering the game it has grown over the years.

[WV Cowboy]

Some of you need to see his post game interview, .. nothing but class.

You can say you don't like him, that's fine, .. but leave it at that.

When you try to come up with reasons that aren't there, you sound pathetic and small.

[superpunk]

I too, was miffed that Payton Manning didn't take the time to congratulate Sean Peyton.

[Dodger]

Why does everything about being a QB in the NFL have to come down to either "he's a choker" or "he's the best of all time?" No in-between? Really? So he threw a pick 6. Show me a QB who's played as long as Manning has that hasn't. Doesn't matter, though, right? He threw it, so now some of you think he's a choking, underachieving loser? Unbelieveable.

Show me the rule that says Peyton should have found Brees to shake his hand. Will Manning be fined for this behavior? Ever consider that maybe he had to take a dump after the game an couldn't wait? Who are any of you to say what he should and shouldn't do after the game? How is it that Peyton not finding Brees to shake his hand has shook up so many people's worlds? This ain't TMZ, people, no matter how much you want it to be. I could care less what Peyton did or didn't do after the game. I'm not his keeper, though some of you seem to think you are.

Brees himself has said nothing to support all of the ridiculous BS about Peyton that I'm reading. You'd think that if it was that big of a deal, Brees would have said the same, but that's not the case. It's quite the opposite, in fact, yet there's still this need to do the whole TMZ crap.

Pathetic.

[birdwells1]

It's still a Super Bowl win.

Please, let the hate go. It will make you rest easier at night. :)

no hate, just stated facts and if any of the facts or wrong then please point them out. One SB does not justify the GOAT QB status that he is reciever.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

With the crowd rushing the field, no surprise he walked off, I would too.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Some of you need to see his post game interview, .. nothing but class.

You can say you don't like him, that's fine, .. but leave it at that.

When you try to come up with reasons that aren't there, you sound pathetic and small.

If you weatched before the game ended and the interviews were held, then you would have seen Manning sitting on the bench with sour grapes on his face, as early as THE THIRD QUARTER BEFORE THE GAME WAS OVER, not liking how he was getting his head handed to him. Instead of being a leader, he actet like a LITTLE PRISS, looking down on and blaming his teammates. His team needed him to step us as the leader he is prtrayed to be. Instead, he PROVED to not be that player - when the going got tough, Manning FOLDED. But hey, great interview! :rolleyes:

[Cajuncowboy]

No, Manning has only been portrayed as a class act, but it's evident now that he is not. So yes, NOW he gets THIS!


AND BY THE WAY...

This is not about the handshake per se, or his demeanor after losing the Super Bowl. It's more about his demeanor DURING THE GAME. As the Colts were being challenged, Manning sat there with sour grapes on his face, as early as THE THIRD QUARTER BEFORE THE GAME WAS OVER. Instead of being a leader, he actet like a LITTLE PRISS, looking down on his teammates. His team needed him to step us as the leader he is prtrayed to be. Instead, he PROVED to not be that player - when the going got tough, Manning FOLDED.

Ridiculous. You're trying to make a judgment on a guy by watching him on the TV. You say he was "Portrayed" as a class act. WTH does that mean. He must have demonstrated some class for him to be "Portrayed" like that.

He was frustrated and you say he acted like a little priss. Give me a break. I saw him talking to his offense late in the game encouraging them that they were still in the game.

Got to love jealousy when it finally shows up. It makes for great asinine threads.

[ShiningStar]

It was not the spectacle it is now, I attended a SB for 35 dollars a ticket in 1976 good luck going to that game now. Back then you had 3 networks now you many more in the media who are covering the game it has grown over the years.



Its big as in media coverage and any little thing you do is covered by camera and more talking heads than needed.

But the game itself is not bigger, its more of a shell of its former glory when it really meant something, now its an advertising giant thats looked at more for the dollar signs its represents compared to its spirit.

A lose back than hurt more than it does now.

[miamicowboy21]

Man I can't believe everyone making excuses for the posterboy. When Lebron James walked off the court against the magic ESPN ripped him for 2 consecutive days. Enough of this garbage about the stage being rushed on the field for the celebration. The same stage was rushed onto the field in the AFC championship game and Mark Sanchez still
found Manning to shake his hand.

Again, the media will give him a pass because he's the posterboy for the NFL. I can't stand the mannings. I've heard enough about the family and it's story. Thank god the saints won, because the Manning love would've been unbearable. Screw Peyton Manning!!.

[WV Cowboy]

If you weatched before the game ended and the interviews were held, then you would have seen Manning sitting on the bench with sour grapes on his face, as early as THE THIRD QUARTER BEFORE THE GAME WAS OVER, not liking how he was getting his head handed to him. Instead of being a leader, he actet like a LITTLE PRISS, looking down on and blaming his teammates. His team needed him to step us as the leader he is prtrayed to be. Instead, he PROVED to not be that player - when the going got tough, Manning FOLDED. But hey, great interview! :rolleyes:

See blue text above for speculation and opinion.

Like I said in a previous post, "pathetic and small", ... I didn't name names, but now you have singled yourself out.

[RW Hitman]

sorry, I just did not see anything that would have me lose respect for Manning yesterday. I agree with him in saying it was the Saints time to shine and let them have the field.

I think it is just a little bit of whining to nitpick anything other than that out of it.

[ShiningStar]

sorry, I just did not see anything that would have me lose respect for Manning yesterday. I agree with him in saying it was the Saints time to shine and let them have the field.

I think it is just a little bit of whining to nitpick anything other than that out of it.

agreed, heres an opinion we might as well start taking up, people that lose that make it more important that THEY congratulate the winner. How many people hate those players?

just because you saw something on camera doesnt mean you know fully whats going on. the Sb in a word, HECTIC and you cant find everyone and Brees was probably to busy finding his family to care of Peyton found him.

Let it lie.

[Doomsday101]

Its big as in media coverage and any little thing you do is covered by camera and more talking heads than needed.

But the game itself is not bigger, its more of a shell of its former glory when it really meant something, now its an advertising giant thats looked at more for the dollar signs its represents compared to its spirit.

A lose back than hurt more than it does now.

True but the coveage helps create the bigger atmosphere than what is was like before. Not saying it is a good thing or bad although it is what puts the big money in the pockets of both owners and players so I'm sure they do not mind

[birdwells1]

I guess all of y'all supported LeBron when he walked off the court and sent Dwight Howard a text message later huh?

Peyton was pissed but he still should have shown some class and try to find some of the NO players, I mean it's only 53 of them.

Peyton choked in the biggest moment not only did he throw the pick 6, he threw 2 other passes that could have been intercepted during the final 3 minutes or so.

To have the stats that he has he should have more SB wins and apperances. Peyton has lost big games against SD twice, Pittsburgh, and now NO when his team were favored to win and the first 3 were at home. Not only did his team lose but he played bad or not up to his regular season standard.

The SB that he did win he wasn't outstanding against a taylor made opponent. I think if the Cowboys get past Seattle then we beat Chicago the next week. Chicago had to be one of the worst SB teams ever. Their offense was just putrid.


As of now Peyton is the best regular season QB to ever play but the postseason is where your reputation is cemented.

Remember that Tennessee didn't win a national championship until the season after Peyton went to the pros.


Sooo I guess Peyton gets a pass, huh. Boy if Romo throws that pick 6 and walks off the field with that concocted excuse he would have been blasted unmercifully. Again, did y'all say the same thing about LeBron?

[WV Cowboy]

I can't stand the mannings. I've heard enough about the family and it's story. Thank god the saints won, because the Manning love would've been unbearable. Screw Peyton Manning!!.

I can live with that. At least you're honest about your feelings.

You hate the Mannings, .. not everyone does.

[ShiningStar]

True but the coveage helps create the bigger atmosphere than what is was like before. Not saying it is a good thing or bad although it is what puts the big money in the pockets of both owners and players so I'm sure they do not mind

and still we long for the good ol games. I understand what ya saying and agree, but lets face it the SB back than to today, those were games with players that wanted to be there and not thinking about the check after the game or a league that cared of if they made the season.

Couple more years we'll be saying 'remember when they hit the other players"

The funny part is we are seeing how the money is ruining the game and the coverage is getting annoying, see this thread, and the question still remains, why are rookies paid so much".

And now the SB is being analyzed and psychologically evaluated and you know what, the Colts still lost. You know why, to that theory I still bring up, the Saints scored more points.

[Doomsday101]

agreed, heres an opinion we might as well start taking up, people that lose that make it more important that THEY congratulate the winner. How many people hate those players?

just because you saw something on camera doesnt mean you know fully whats going on. the Sb in a word, HECTIC and you cant find everyone and Brees was probably to busy finding his family to care of Peyton found him.

Let it lie.

The simple fact that Manning talked with Brees afterwards is enough for me. Manning has shaken hands with other win or lose but in the hoopla following the SB I have no issue with Manning giving Brees a congratulation after the hoopla is over. Brees does not seem to have an issue with this why should anyone else.

[ShiningStar]

Sooo I guess Peyton gets a pass, huh. Boy if Romo throws that pick 6 and walks off the field with that concocted excuse he would have been blasted unmercifully. Again, did y'all say the same thing about LeBron?



are you quoting yourself and replying it in that post?

[ShiningStar]

The simple fact that Manning talked with Brees afterwards is enough for me. Manning has shaken hands with other win or lose but in the hoopla following the SB I have no issue with Manning giving Brees a congratulation after the hoopla is over. Brees does not seem to have an issue with this why should anyone else.



I agree, nothing against what ya said in your post. I agree too, Brees was exploding with emotion, and Peyton is a class player across the boards, so there shouldnt be a problem with it.

[Doomsday101]

and still we long for the good ol games. I understand what ya saying and agree, but lets face it the SB back than to today, those were games with players that wanted to be there and not thinking about the check after the game or a league that cared of if they made the season.

Couple more years we'll be saying 'remember when they hit the other players"

The funny part is we are seeing how the money is ruining the game and the coverage is getting annoying, see this thread, and the question still remains, why are rookies paid so much".

And now the SB is being analyzed and psychologically evaluated and you know what, the Colts still lost. You know why, to that theory I still bring up, the Saints scored more points.

I agree. I'm a football purest I like it better when the money was less, FA and cap did not exist and teams were built for the long haul instead of today’s where the team who is your enemy now may be the team I play for tomorrow. It is what it is and while I would love to turn back the hands of time it is not going to happen.

[Big Dakota]

stupid thread

[ConcordCowboy]

1. Staubach is not Peyton.

2. The Super Bowl wasn't as big then as it is now.

3. Staubach wasn't the subject of "Who is the Greatest Quarterback of All Time" arguments, increasing the pressure on him.

4. Staubach didn't grow up under the immense media pressure of this modern society with instant feedback, instant message, instant chat and everybody and his grandmother giving their uninformed opinion about what you should have done and why you suck because you don't shake another quarterback's hand right after the game.

5. I don't think they awarded the trophy to the winning team on the field but in the locker room. It was less pandemonium then as it is today.

Ridiculous.

Shake the man's hand.

[Bob Sacamano]

threadFAIL

[odog422]

stupid thread

I wouldn't have made a thread about it, but I agree it was poor sportsmanship that he put on his helmet and walked off the field. All the stuff about the crowd, media, etc. are excuses. And what is Brees supposed to say, "Manning is classless?"

If you've played sports or coached them, you know you congratulate the winner. You don't have to smile or give them a thousand "atta boys," but you don't put your helmet on and walk off the field. Who likes to lose? On any level? Not me.

Any reason not to congratulate the winner is simply an excuse, period. He didn't even make an effort. Farve somehow managed to find Brees in the madhouse that was the Superdome so I'm not buying.

Again, I wouldn't have made a thread about it, but it is what it is - poor sportsmanship.

[Doomsday101]

I wouldn't have made a thread about it, but I agree it was poor sportsmanship that he put on his helmet and walked off the field. All the stuff about the crowd, media, etc. are excuses. And what is Brees supposed to say, "Manning is classless?"

If you've played sports or coached them, you know you congratulate the winner. You don't have to smile or give them a thousand "atta boys," but you don't put your helmet on and walk off the field. Who likes to lose? On any level? Not me.

Any reason not to congratulate the winner is simply an excuse, period. He didn't even make an effort. Farve somehow managed to find Brees in the madhouse that was the Superdome so I'm not buying.

Again, I wouldn't have made a thread about it, but it is what it is - poor sportsmanship.

he did do that he may not have done it on your time table but he did get with Brees after the game to congratulate him. If you want to find reasons to rag on manning that is your own deal as far as the people involved go Manning did get with Brees and Brees acknowledged this.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

stupid thread

Seems to be a lot of that today.

[DFWJC]

Ridiculous.

Shake the man's hand.
Style over substance then?
No offense, but it sounds like you wanted him to do it for you personally.

[davidyee]

Painful to watch Peyton play QB with all of his bluff signals and just herky jerky movements and happy feet.

...common QB drill used in football to teach young and old QBs to bounce off the balls of their feet sliding in all directions while maintain throwing posture and looking downfield.

Manning along with Brady does this very well. As one poster said it may look ugly to you, but it is good form and technique.

[5Stars]

...common QB drill used in football to teach young and old QBs to bounce off the balls of their feet sliding in all directions while maintain throwing posture and looking downfield.

Manning along with Brady does this very well. As one poster said it may look ugly to you, but it is good form and technique.


always start your sentence in the title thread? Is that how they do it in Canada?


:laugh2:

[Doomsday101]

...common QB drill used in football to teach young and old QBs to bounce off the balls of their feet sliding in all directions while maintain throwing posture and looking downfield.

Manning along with Brady does this very well. As one poster said it may look ugly to you, but it is good form and technique.

True they stay on their toes so that they can pivot to the right or left instead of standing flat footed it also allows them to move around inside the pocket better. More and more QB's are doing this.

[dallascowboyfanboy]

Uhhhh WHAT!?:bang2: :laugh2:
You can look in the mirror with that comment. He's a freaking computer on the field and you say he's not very bright?
Unbelievable.
You may want to re-think that commment. :)


Also, every single one of your football related QB comments are wrong. No, not happy feet...he was taught to do it that way for mutilple reasons. Poor passing form...good grief man, are you nuts? He has great form. And the herky jerky part is (in part) to keep the defenses confused. Ask anone playing against him and you'll know that he is outragiously effective and their worst nightmare.

If you visually just don't like to watch him, that's cool. But that is just you personal taste, not his problems.

Having said that, I'm happy for Brees and the Saints and I wanted them to win.

Whoever taught him how to move his feet was a horrible coach. Have never ever seen another QB hop around like he does in the pocket. How come Montana, Marino, Elway, Aikman, Favre, Brady, Big Ben, Young, Rivers, Brees never hopped around in the pocket like Manning does. First, every defense stopped listening his fake calls 2 years ago. He is not a bright guy. Romo is smarter than him.

[ConcordCowboy]

Style over substance then?
No offense, but it sounds like you wanted him to do it for you personally.

What are you talking about?

I expected him to do what every other QB that I know of including Staubach has done after a Super Bowl.

If others have done what Manning did...let me know and I'll take it back.

[dallascowboyfanboy]

Are you serious? Manning not bright?

He pretty much runs that offense and is the most prepared QB in the league. He's also one of the best, if not THE best at reading defenses and and audibling into successful new plays.

If you don't like Manning, that's fine and it's certainly your perogative, but don't make silly statements that "he's not bright."

Terry Bradshaw leaps and bounds better than Peyton will ever be and he is not that bright either. He has been self deprecating about is not bright. I am not referring to Hollywood Henderson's famous quote that Terry could not spell "cat" given the c and the t. Bradshaw called his own plays too. Romo smarter than Peyton Manning.

[Arch Stanton]

Seems to be a lot of that today.

It's the offseason. Gonna be a long one.

[ConcordCowboy]

Terry Bradshaw leaps and bounds better than Peyton will ever be and he is not that bright either. He has been self deprecating about is not bright. I am not referring to Hollywood Henderson's famous quote that Terry could not spell "cat" given the c and the t. Bradshaw called his own plays too. Romo smarter than Peyton Manning.

That wasn't too bright on Hollywood's part.

:p:

[RXP]

Whoever taught him how to move his feet was a horrible coach. Have never ever seen another QB hop around like he does in the pocket. How come Montana, Marino, Elway, Aikman, Favre, Brady, Big Ben, Young, Rivers, Brees never hopped around in the pocket like Manning does. First, every defense stopped listening his fake calls 2 years ago. He is not a bright guy. Romo is smarter than him.

The level is silliness in this post is beyond description.

If you hate Peyton Manning, just say so. I can understand that.

But trying to substantiate your hatred towards him by the manner above just makes YOU look like the guy whose not too bright. Your post makes no sense at all.

Just say you can't stand him and be done with it.

[dallascowboyfanboy]

The level is silliness in this post is beyond description.

If you hate Peyton Manning, just say so. I can understand that.

But trying to substantiate your hatred towards him by the manner above just makes YOU look like the guy whose not too bright. Your post makes no sense at all.

Just say you can't stand him and be done with it.

I can't stand Peyton Manning-'nuff said:laugh2:

[RXP]

I can't stand Peyton Manning-'nuff said:laugh2:

There you go. That wasn't so hard. :D

[FLcowboy]

I don't remember much of the game, but I'm going to go ahead and give anyone who's just lost a Super Bowl a pass on meaningless acts of sportsmanship.

Well said. Great sportsmen hate to lose, and Payton Manning is still one of the best QBs in the game, if not the best.

I agree it would have been nice for Manning to search out Brees, and offer his congratulations, but looking at the field, how hard would that have been?

[DFWJC]

What are you talking about?

I expected him to do what every other QB that I know of including Staubach has done after a Super Bowl.

If others have done what Manning did...let me know and I'll take it back.
That was not my point. If shaking his hand meant respect or disrespect to Brees or Payton personally, I would say yes, do it. But overall in the real (not superficial world) that we live in, it did not. He gave those guys all kinds of respect and even went beyond that by contacting them after the game. They were not offended, so why should we be? If the tables were turned, Manning, I'm sure, would not have been offended either.

My point was, just because it looks good to you (or, actually me too) for him to do it does not mean it's right or wrong to those involved. In other words, he's not going to do it just to make you personally happy...it would have not value at all then (hebce style over substance).

[DFWJC]

I can't stand Peyton Manning-'nuff said:laugh2:

Okay...so that clears it up. You could have just said that from the start instead of trying to rationalize it. It's okay to not like someone, I guess.

[TheSkaven]

Have you never watched Peyton Manning play?
Exactly. He was like a machine this year, best quarterback in the league right now (yes, better than Brees). I'm not a big fan of the Mannings, but to question Peyton's talent seems dubious at best.

:hammer:

[Hostile]

Not sure how much respect you had for him if you call him Payton instead of Peyton.

:wink2:

[thssanders]

well at least we know peyton is human after all. Prior to this game, i would bet all the money i had that if he has a chance at the end to make a drive to win the game, he would make it. It wouldn't matter what defense he was facing, i would still bet all i had on him.

[ConcordCowboy]

That was not my point. If shaking his hand meant respect or disrespect to Brees or Payton personally, I would say yes, do it. But overall in the real (not superficial world) that we live in, it did not. He gave those guys all kinds of respect and even went beyond that by contacting them after the game. They were not offended, so why should we be? If the tables were turned, Manning, I'm sure, would not have been offended either.

My point was, just because it looks good to you (or, actually me too) for him to do it does not mean it's right or wrong to those involved. In other words, he's not going to do it just to make you personally happy...it would have not value at all then (hebce style over substance).

Sorry I just don't agree with you.

It's easy to shake a guys hand when you win...it's the true test of a man to do it when he loses.

I've always thought Manning seemed to act like a baby when things don't go his way...and this just cemented it to me.

And you need to get off this personal stuff...I really don't care one way or the other...someone posted a thread and I offered my opinion on the matter.

My opinion is he showed poor sportsmanship...no skin off my back...but it is off of Manning's...cause he's the one doing the explaining.

[Wonderboyromo]

Whoever taught him how to move his feet was a horrible coach. Have never ever seen another QB hop around like he does in the pocket. How come Montana, Marino, Elway, Aikman, Favre, Brady, Big Ben, Young, Rivers, Brees never hopped around in the pocket like Manning does. First, every defense stopped listening his fake calls 2 years ago. He is not a bright guy. Romo is smarter than him.

You're the one who's not bright.
Manning is one of the best QBs ever. I won't sit there and criticize the way he plays. He can hop around all he wants. He makes plays and wins games.

No one said you have to be a genius to play QB. However, Peyton studies harder than any other QB. He recognizes what the defense is doing faster than any QB out there. To do that, you have to be pretty dang smart. I see you don't know much about that, though.

[Bob Sacamano]

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[ajk23az]

What a dumb thread..

[RS12]

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

Who is great on that supporting cast? I see alot of average to slightly above talent on Indy.

[Bleu Star]

I saw nothing that would make me lose respect for Manning. The moment belonged to the Saints

This.

[odog422]

he did do that he may not have done it on your time table but he did get with Brees after the game to congratulate him. If you want to find reasons to rag on manning that is your own deal as far as the people involved go Manning did get with Brees and Brees acknowledged this.

He sent him a text mesage. Not the same. I'm not looking for reasons, I'm offering my opinion on the topic. People can do that without having ulterior motives, you know.

[odog422]

Sorry I just don't agree with you.

It's easy to shake a guys hand when you win...it's the true test of a man to do it when he loses.

I've always thought Manning seemed to act like a baby when things don't go his way...and this just cemented it to me.

And you need to get off this personal stuff...I really don't care one way or the other...someone posted a thread and I offered my opinion on the matter.

My opinion is he showed poor sportsmanship...no skin off my back...but it is off of Manning's...cause he's the one doing the explaining.

This is my point also. All the stuff about the chaos on the field is irrelevant. He didn't even make an attempt.

And apparently it is significant enough that it was noticed and questioned.

[jimmy40]

I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning because I saw nothing but a crybaby on the sidelines - complaining and not leading in a game where his leadership was needed the most.

Manning’s team responded in-kind and QB-Superman started to look like Clark Kent, and throwing like him too, real fast.

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

On top of that, his crybaby antics carried over to the post game; Manning shook no opponents' hands. He just quickly dashed/disappeared into his own locker room, kind of like a bully does with shame, after getting his *** kicked by the scrawny kid he was harassing.

I expect more from a QB that everyone touts as the best of all time and an ambassador of the game. Manning proved to me that he is neither.

I'm sure he's crushed.

[Phrozen Phil]

It's the offseason. Gonna be a long one.

Amen. Manning's one hell of a player. Winning the SB has to be one incredible high. Losing it would be on the opposite end of the spectrum. I'll cut the guy some slack.

[Ultra Warrior]

I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning because I saw nothing but a crybaby on the sidelines - complaining and not leading in a game where his leadership was needed the most.

Manning’s team responded in-kind and QB-Superman started to look like Clark Kent, and throwing like him too, real fast.

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

On top of that, his crybaby antics carried over to the post game; Manning shook no opponents' hands. He just quickly dashed/disappeared into his own locker room, kind of like a bully does with shame, after getting his *** kicked by the scrawny kid he was harassing.

I expect more from a QB that everyone touts as the best of all time and an ambassador of the game. Manning proved to me that he is neither.

Who is this PAYton Manning you speak of?

[GimmeTheBall!]

Well, excuuuuuusssssse the Colts QB for being disappointed and wanting to walk off the field before being mobbed by mindless ***** who would think nothing of pouring beverages over players heads and maybe be hurt by a pushing 200 pounder who thinks the field is his playground.

Nothing Payton Manning could do would dampen or enliven the Saints Celebrations. As deserved, they truly acted like they had never been there before and Payton Manning acknowled that it was "their" moment.

But let us pile on Manning. He can chuckle when he makes his next commercial with Drew Brees, proabably playing the John Madden 20011 game.

[tyke1doe]

Well, excuuuuuusssssse the Colts QB for being disappointed and wanting to walk off the field before being mobbed by mindless ***** who would think nothing of pouring beverages over players heads and maybe be hurt by a pushing 200 pounder who thinks the field is his playground.

Nothing Payton Manning could do would dampen or enliven the Saints Celebrations. As deserved, they truly acted like they had never been there before and Payton Manning acknowled that it was "their" moment.

But let us pile on Manning. He can chuckle when he makes his next commercial with Drew Brees, proabably playing the John Madden 20011 game.

Imagine if it was Romo who lost a Super Bowl and jogged off the field without shaking hands and the media were leveling heavy criticism against the Cowboys quarterback.

You think you'd be seeing the same reaction downing Romo from Cowboys fans?

[GimmeTheBall!]

Imagine if it was Romo who lost a Super Bowl and jogged off the field without shaking hands and the media were leveling heavy criticism against the Cowboys quarterback.

You think you'd be seeing the same reaction downing Romo from Cowboys fans?

Any QB gets a pass from me. Imagine the post-game crush. The media alone.
Any QB wants to get away quickly and uncerimoniously is OK wit me.

Staying and faking it and pretending to be glad for someone who just beat you is empty drama of which the networks love but, ultimately, a drama that just makes me feel maniplulated.

In a week that saw alleged violence by Sapp and Irving toward women -- both NFL spokesmen -- I choose to walk away, too, from the souless smiles and fake expressions of sportsmanship when the losers hearts are breaking.

Manning can be blamed for a lot of things but robotic sentiment is not among them.

[SilverStarCowboy]

I lost a great deal of respect for Payton Manning because I saw nothing but a crybaby on the sidelines - complaining and not leading in a game where his leadership was needed the most.

Manning’s team responded in-kind and QB-Superman started to look like Clark Kent, and throwing like him too, real fast.

What I once viewed as an elite QB revealed himself to me as just another above-average player that is a product of the great supporting cast around him. The mastermind turned mentally challenged.

On top of that, his crybaby antics carried over to the post game; Manning shook no opponents' hands. He just quickly dashed/disappeared into his own locker room, kind of like a bully does with shame, after getting his *** kicked by the scrawny kid he was harassing.

I expect more from a QB that everyone touts as the best of all time and an ambassador of the game. Manning proved to me that he is neither.


Manning is 9-9 in the Playoffs and had just thrown the Superbowl. If Manning was Tony ROmo he'd have an Albatross hanging around this neck the size of Texas.

:bang2:

[Don Corleone]

Manning is 9-9 in the Playoffs and had just thrown the Superbowl. If Manning was Tony ROmo he'd have an Albatross hanging around this neck the size of Texas.

:bang2:

I agree with this. I remember Manning and the Colts getting blown out against the Patriots in the playoffs, much like Dallas did against the Vikings.

Dallas would never be able to live down a 9-9 record in the playoffs with Romo as the QB.

In no way do I believe that Manning is overrated. He is truly an elite QB, but let's be fair when dishing out playoff debacle criticism.

The reality is that it is tough to win in today's NFL, especially in the playoffs.

[DFWJC]

Actually, a 9-9 playoff record is not considered terrible..