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Romo 2 Austin

03-03-2010, 02:17 PM

DCBoysfan

03-03-2010, 02:19 PM

No, I would rather go with what we got and add a draft pick.

Mansta54

03-03-2010, 02:19 PM

Dash28

03-03-2010, 02:20 PM

I would not give up a 1st for him and have to pay him. Plus we just got rid of a headache at WR, we don't need another one.

Vinnie2u

03-03-2010, 02:20 PM

Just say no...

speedkilz88

03-03-2010, 02:37 PM

That's crazy talk!

Big Dakota

03-03-2010, 02:39 PM

No!!!!!
NO!!!!! X 10

DFWJC

03-03-2010, 02:40 PM

RW and a 3rd maybe

Rampage

03-03-2010, 02:49 PM

we already have too much money tied up at wr when you include what Miles is gonna get.

but Denver knows what they're doing cause someone will most likely give up a #1 for him.

ChldsPlay

03-03-2010, 02:52 PM

I could see the Patriots doing this with 2 firsts and Moss most likely gone after this year.

Yeagermeister

03-03-2010, 02:54 PM

we already have too much money tied up at wr when you include what Miles is gonna get.

but Denver knows what they're doing cause someone will most likely give up a #1 for him.

BINGO

dallasfaniac

03-03-2010, 02:57 PM

Someone will pull the trigger, but not us.

jobberone

03-03-2010, 03:01 PM

What's the beef about Marshall? Is it a myriad of things like with TO? Is he just a PITA? He's got some skills.

SDCowboy85

03-03-2010, 03:01 PM

I'd love him on this team. His beef has always been with the Broncos brass, not fellow players.

Rampage

03-03-2010, 03:03 PM

I'd love him on this team. His beef has always been with the Broncos brass, not fellow players.
and women

SDCowboy85

03-03-2010, 03:04 PM

and women
Yeah but we don't have any on the team since TO left.

ThreeSportStar80

03-03-2010, 03:16 PM

Ummm no.........

SLATEmosphere

03-03-2010, 03:38 PM

and women

There's no actual solid evidence that he hits women.

Gold diggers do this all the time. Make up **** to get a paycheck.

koolaid

03-03-2010, 03:40 PM

I would like to have him on our team. I'm not sure where he ranks in terms of WR's because everyone has a different set of abilities, but I know that if you leave that guy in single coverage he will destroy you.

That said, I don't think we should make a move for him. We have a solid WR core as it is. I would like to see us draft a play making safety or a LT. I agree with the poster who mentioned the Pats, that move wouldn't surprise me.

Rampage

03-03-2010, 03:44 PM

There's no actual solid evidence that he hits women.

Gold diggers do this all the time. Make up **** to get a paycheck.
he's had the cops called on him by girlfriends like 13 times .

SLATEmosphere

03-03-2010, 03:47 PM

he's had the cops called on him by girlfriends like 13 times .

Really? well I dont know the story on him and if that's even true. I'm just saying there's woman out there that do this for a living. Latch on to athletes and collect paychecks.

Hoofbite

03-03-2010, 03:57 PM

we already have too much money tied up at wr when you include what Miles is gonna get.

but Denver knows what they're doing cause someone will most likely give up a #1 for him.

Kind of what I was thinking as well. Baiting someone to take their problem child.

Rampage

03-03-2010, 03:57 PM

Really? well I dont know the story on him and if that's even true. I'm just saying there's woman out there that do this for a living. Latch on to athletes and collect paychecks.
I know, I just don't think that's the case here.

DFWJC

03-03-2010, 04:11 PM

he's had the cops called on him by girlfriends like 13 times .
I have some issue with his attitude, but he is pretty amazing as a WR.

As for the calls regarding domestic abuse....NONE involved him hitting a girl and the one where he ever got arrested for was the one when his girlfriend (who made basically all of the call, so not 11 different people) called a cab and he stood in front of the cab preventing her from leaving. Howver, later this girl came back and said there was abuse, but she'd shut up for a price.

There have been 11 calls to the cops from his address and none invoilved him hitting anyone. Several had nothing to do with him. It seems he had a live in gf who called the cops about anything and everything...even cars parked on the lawn, etc. But the records showed the calls coming from Marshall's addrees so the story got out in the Denver press and beyond.

The one incident that was a bit suspicious was the call to the cops that led to him being taken in in 2009. It was over an argument with his now fiancee...charges were dropped the next day.

The guy does seem to be around trouble a lot--recall that a guy got shot to death while leaving party in a limo with him.

But as for him beating women....no evidence of that other than what the papers drummed up from what I can see....but it does seem suspicious, but recall that lady who did say he was abusive also tried to get 500k from him and changed her story repeatedly.

I'm fine with or without him.

SDogo

03-03-2010, 04:23 PM

1st round tender

no 3rd.

In light of this, do you make an attempt to take him? It seems the Broncos are eager to part with him and a moderate deal + the first rounder would get him out of Denver and in a Dallas uniform.

Please tell me this was the one post you do every day so we can rest knowing that another one is not on it's way.

I just need to ask, were you serious? Would you really part ways with our first round pick for him?

dbair1967

03-03-2010, 05:13 PM

Romo 2 Austin

03-03-2010, 05:14 PM

Please tell me this was the one post you do every day so we can rest knowing that another one is not on it's way.

I just need to ask, were you serious? Would you really part ways with our first round pick for him?

There was a topic that went around 15 pages a few weeks back about trading RW and a 1st for Marshall, so when the news that he was tendered for only a 1st was announced of course I made a thread!

Would I do it? no but I would send Williams and a 2nd too Denver for Marshall.

dbair1967

03-03-2010, 05:20 PM

There was a topic that went around 15 pages a few weeks back about trading RW and a 1st for Marshall, so when the news that he was tendered for only a 1st was announced of course I made a thread!

Would I do it? no but I would send Williams and a 2nd too Denver for Marshall.

I'd like to send Free and a 4th to Cleveland for Joe Thomas.

And then lets send Ken Hamlin and a 7th to Pittsburgh for Troy Palamalu

Cogan

03-03-2010, 05:39 PM

The guy is a phenomenal talent. Remember when he practically beat us himself with that incredible RAC where he scored the winning TD last season? He's had over 100 catches each of the past 3 seasons. I would have to put him in the top 5 WRs in the league.

Having said that, he's had two head coaches, and both tried to get rid of him. By the end Shanahan's last season with Denver, and despite BM catching over 100 balls for the second season in a row, it is believed the coach wanted him gone. We all know about the problems he's had with current HC Josh McDaniels. First they fight, then they make up, then they fight...yada-yada.

If we didn't need OL & FS help so badly, I would almost be willing to go for it. He's THAT good! But, NOBODY is worth the kind of headaches a guy like that brings. As was stated earlier, we just got rid of one of those guys.

BraveHeartFan

03-03-2010, 08:51 PM

Nope I wouldnt. We're about to have to pay Miles big time money and Roy already gets big time money. Why in the world would we bring in a 3rd WR to pay big time money to?

KJJ

03-03-2010, 09:04 PM

1st round tender

no 3rd.

In light of this, do you make an attempt to take him? It seems the Broncos are eager to part with him and a moderate deal + the first rounder would get him out of Denver and in a Dallas uniform.

The guy brings issues why give up a first rounder for a player who's pulling some of the same crap TO did? Marshall appears to be even more of a headache than TO because he's had some off the field issues. Great player but he comes with baggage.

SDCowboy85

03-03-2010, 09:17 PM

The guy brings issues why give up a first rounder for a player who's pulling some of the same crap TO did? Marshall appears to be even more of a headache than TO because he's had some off the field issues. Great player but he comes with baggage.
He doesn't pull any of the crap TO does. He only had beef with a Broncos organization that refused to pay him. He never had issues with players as far as I know. He seems to be regarded as a team player.

KJJ

03-03-2010, 09:40 PM

He doesn't pull any of the crap TO does. He only had beef with a Broncos organization that refused to pay him. He never had issues with players as far as I know. He seems to be regarded as a team player.

All hell broke loose with TO in Philly over money. Marshall's pulling the same crap! TO hasn't had issues with players as far as I'm aware of but Marshall's had off the field issues involving the law and TO hasn't. Marshall brings the potential for alot of problems to an organization. All you need to do is go review the footage of him kicking the ball around during camp that got him suspended. Who needs a player like that?

SDCowboy85

03-03-2010, 09:45 PM

All hell broke loose with TO in Philly over money. Marshall's pulling the same crap! TO hasn't had issues with players as far as I'm aware of but Marshall's had off the field issues involving the law and TO hasn't. Marshall brings the potential for alot of problems to an organization. All you need to do is go review the footage of him kicking the ball around during camp that got him suspended. Who needs a player like that?
TO hasn't had issues with players? Where have you been the past decade? :lmao2:

dbair1967

03-03-2010, 09:45 PM

KJJ

03-04-2010, 02:06 AM

TO hasn't had issues with players? Where have you been the past decade? :lmao2:

He had some issues with Jeff Garcia, McNabb and according to Ed Werder with Jason Witten and both TO and Witten denied it. Even Garcia and McNabb denied some of the things that were reported. The media fabricates alot of this crap. All TO's teammates seem to like him at least that's the impression they give. There's a thread on the board right now where Crayton's saying he would welcome him back in Dallas. LOL Alot of players have issues with a teammate from time to time but it doesn't make news. Everything TO does gets blown up into a big production and that's what causes all the distractions with him. Marshall's not only complaining about money but he's been arrested twice once for disorderly conduct and another time for domestic violence against his girlfriend.

His last arrest was only a year ago. Then when he found out Cutler was traded and he was stuck with Orton he was doing everything he could to get a ticket out of Denver including kicking balls around during camp. The guy is trouble! There's a number of red flags with him and I wouldn't risk a top draft pick and alot of money on a player who might not even be happy with his contract in a couple of years and who could end up being arrested again. You telling me you wouldn't be a little concerned investing a top draft pick and alot of money on a player with Marshall's history?

MONT17

03-04-2010, 05:37 AM

did someone say trade a PB&J sandwich and a 3rd for Marshall? Maybe we can throw in Roy too...

hipfake08

03-04-2010, 07:24 AM

No, I would rather go with what we got and add a draft pick.

Thank you.

Why bother with another team's head case.

BraveHeartFan

03-04-2010, 10:59 AM

Really? well I dont know the story on him and if that's even true. I'm just saying there's woman out there that do this for a living. Latch on to athletes and collect paychecks.

yeah, no doubt. They're out there.

But they are athletes and such out there who also happen to be guys who have no problem hitting women.

Don't know which case it is with Marshall but with our current situation at WR, and the money we'll have there, it's not worth it to me for the Cowboys to find out which side of that argument Marshall falls on.

HanD

03-04-2010, 02:00 PM

He had some issues with Jeff Garcia, McNabb and according to Ed Werder with Jason Witten and both TO and Witten denied it. Even Garcia and McNabb denied some of the things that were reported. The media fabricates alot of this crap. All TO's teammates seem to like him at least that's the impression they give. There's a thread on the board right now where Crayton's saying he would welcome him back in Dallas. LOL Alot of players have issues with a teammate from time to time but it doesn't make news. Everything TO does gets blown up into a big production and that's what causes all the distractions with him. Marshall's not only complaining about money but he's been arrested twice once for disorderly conduct and another time for domestic violence against his girlfriend.

His last arrest was only a year ago. Then when he found out Cutler was traded and he was stuck with Orton he was doing everything he could to get a ticket out of Denver including kicking balls around during camp. The guy is trouble! There's a number of red flags with him and I wouldn't risk a top draft pick and alot of money on a player who might not even be happy with his contract in a couple of years and who could end up being arrested again. You telling me you wouldn't be a little concerned investing a top draft pick and alot of money on a player with Marshall's history?

then there was the TO fight with hugh douglas.

anyway i digress. while all you wrote about BM is true, you left out that he apologized and was a model player the rest of the season. Not 1 incident the rest of the way. McDaniels even benched and questioned his toughness at the end of the season and he responded politely and appropriately. that makes me think he's turned the corner. i'm not in favor of going and getting him because i don't think we need him, but if someone were to take miles from us, i'd be in favor of BM because i think he's a hell of a WR.

jobberone

03-04-2010, 02:15 PM

He's more than a little and less than a lot of a problem. I think Dallas would be good for him. But we're not going to spend a one and that amount of money on another WR. We need a safety and OL depth. I doubt they take a WR the first two days. M Williams can be had in the third and brings the same amount of baggage.

Edit: I've changed my mind about him. Read this. I knew he was a risk just not how much.

03/01/2010 - Five years after an eventual bust of a receiver named Mike Williams entered the NFL via the top ten of the draft and nine years after an eventual bust of a tackle named Mike Williams entered the NFL via the top five, there's another Mike Williams in the draft pool. And despite a glowing review from some for the catches he made at the Scouting Combine, a league source offered a much more sobering assessment. "Mike Williams did not help himself," the source said. "He was supposed to be a 4.4 guy and was closer to 4.62. He was horrible in interviews blaming everyone but himself for his problems at Syracuse...He did catch the ball [at the Scouting Combine] but everything else was poor." The source also pointed out that Williams, who quit the Syracuse football team in November, won't be permitted to work out at the Orange Pro Day. "He is a great talent but a train wreck as a person," the source opined, expressing regret for the fact that draft experts who pump up Williams' chances are only setting the player and his family up for disappointment when reality strikes. Though it remains to be seen where Williams is drafted, the source believes he'll go in the late rounds, and possibly not at all. - Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk 03/01/2010 - As for players who did not impress, Syracuse receiver Mike Williams was slower than expected (around 4.55), dropped multiple passes and had trouble keeping his balance. LSU star Brandon LaFell ran in the 4.6 range, failing to eliminate concerns about his deep speed. The comparisons of Texas receiver Jordan Shipley to New England's Wes Welker will probably stop, as Shipley timed in the high 4.5's. However, receivers running 4.55 or higher in recent years have shown that it doesn't prevent them from being a first-round pick or succeeding at the next level. Shipley can take a page from Austin Collie or Brian Hartline, selected 19 picks apart in the fourth round last year and now appearing to be keepers for the Colts and Dolphins, respectively, despite running in the mid-4.5's a year ago. Shipley's hands, routes and quickness after the catch still stand out on film. Current NFL receivers Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Bryant fell into the second round, as LaFell might, after very average 40 times. On the other hand, players like Dwayne Bowe and Michael Clayton were still mid-first round picks in spite of their 40 times around 4.5. Character or other issues may have aided the drop for Ochocinco and Bryant (and may lead to Mike Williams' fall into the mid-rounds), so it's very possible LaFell's versatility and playmaking skills could put him in the first round. The varying success of these receivers, however, show that neither speed nor draft position, correlates perfectly to success at the next level. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com

Dodger

03-04-2010, 02:29 PM

He hasn't been called "baby T.O." for nothing.

No thanks.

KJJ

03-04-2010, 07:55 PM

then there was the TO fight with hugh douglas.

anyway i digress. while all you wrote about BM is true, you left out that he apologized and was a model player the rest of the season. Not 1 incident the rest of the way. McDaniels even benched and questioned his toughness at the end of the season and he responded politely and appropriately. that makes me think he's turned the corner. i'm not in favor of going and getting him because i don't think we need him, but if someone were to take miles from us, i'd be in favor of BM because i think he's a hell of a WR.

Bottom line TO never had a brush with the law and that's one added issue Marshall brings to the plate that TO didn't. One more arrest may get him put in jail and is certainly going to get him a one year suspension from the NFL. Marshall got benched for an important game that Denver's season was riding on which made it perfectly clear he was still giving the team problems all the way to the end of the season. The Cowboys would probably take it to the next level with a player of Marshall's talent opposite Austin but he's a head case who presents a big risk especially with the compensation it would take to acquire him and the money he would demand. I've had enough with problem players who cause distractions. Trust me we haven't seen the end of Marshall causing problems for a team.

KJJ

03-04-2010, 08:01 PM

He only had beef with a Broncos organization that refused to pay him.

He's only been with the Broncos let's see what happens with the next team he plays for. Just the fact that he's been arrested twice and said in an interview he smarted off to some guys in a car that resulted in a friend of his getting shot is enough to make me steer clear of him.

Cowboys2008

03-05-2010, 01:35 AM

Yes. Sometimes you just have to splurge.

BeWare94

03-05-2010, 09:39 AM

1st round tender

no 3rd.

In light of this, do you make an attempt to take him? It seems the Broncos are eager to part with him and a moderate deal + the first rounder would get him out of Denver and in a Dallas uniform.

Do we even have a 1st round pick? I thought Jerry traded them all...LMAO:laugh2:

Seriously, I'd love to get Marshall but didn't we just get rid of a psychopathic, me-first receiver that was killing team chemistry? I'd gladly surrender our first round pick for him if I didn't have to contend with Roy Williams' salary, too