Michael Huff anyone?

[SLATEmosphere]

He's due 9 million this year. There's a strong chance he is let go.

26 year old FS that's still improving. He had 5 picks this year and seemed to play alot better.

I can't imagine if once he's released that he would be making a monster deal. He's still got a ton to prove.

I know ChrisfromSocal is with me on this one!:D

[tunahelper]

At a reasonable price I think he would be an upgrade over Hamlin.

[Rynie]

That dude went to my high school here in Irving (Nimitz). I didn't know him, but some of my younger friends did. I know that kid is super fast, and actually went to UT on a track scholarship.

[Randy White]

He's due 9 million this year. There's a strong chance he is let go. 26 year old FS that's still improving. He had 5 picks this year and seemed to play alot better. I can't imagine if once he's released that he would be making a monster deal. He's still got a ton to prove.

I know ChrisfromSocal is with me on this one!:D



Where do I sign ?

[8FOR!3]

I don't know much about him except that he went to UT. He's not a top safety though and he's lost his starting job to Hiram Eugene more than once. Is this guy really an upgrade from Hamlin.

[rkell87]

i would love him for the right price, he hasn't done anything to earn a huge payday but i still have hope that he can become the player he was supposed to be.

[rkell87]

I don't know much about him except that he went to UT. He's not a top safety though and he's lost his starting job to Hiram Eugene more than once. Is this guy really an upgrade from Hamlin.
he should be able to be brought in for less than what we pay hamlin, if he beats out hamlin great, if not not a big deal.

[Rampage]

He's due 9 million this year. There's a strong chance he is let go.

26 year old FS that's still improving. He had 5 picks this year and seemed to play alot better.

I can't imagine if once he's released that he would be making a monster deal. He's still got a ton to prove.

I know ChrisfromSocal is with me on this one!:D

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[masomenos]

Huff would definitely give us an improvement in coverage and play making. The consequence would be giving up some ability in run support and losing Hamlin's pre-snap intelligence. Having never really payed attention to Huff, I have no idea if he could take over Hamlin's coach-on-the-field role.

[SLATEmosphere]

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cmon rampage!

[Bluefin]

I have no idea if he could take over Hamlin's coach-on-the-field role.

Wade Phillips and Jerry Jones are always quick to bring up Ken Hamlin's value as the "coach of the secondary."

And I'm not going to discount it, but why is he so good at communicating to others what's going on while almost never being around the ball himself?

Helping prevent big passing plays has obvious merit, however 1 interception over the last two seasons is simply atrocious.

[masomenos]

Wade Phillips and Jerry Jones are always quick to bring up Ken Hamlin's value as the "coach of the secondary."

And I'm not going to discount it, but why is he so good at communicating to others what's going on while almost never being around the ball himself?

Helping prevent big passing plays has obvious merit, however 1 interception over the last two seasons is simply atrocious.

That's a really good question.

My answer would be that Hamlin probably realizes his athletic limitations and takes fewer risks. Honestly, that's probably what keeps him from dropping from an average safety to a below average one. Hamlin knows that if he plays the risk/reward game, then he's going to get beat a lot, so instead he plays it safe. He knows where he needs to be, given his ability.

It's really difficult to quantify how much of an impact Hamlin's pre-snap intelligence has on the defense. However, like Theogt pointed out a few days ago, the pass defense was significantly better after Hamlin came back, even though we were playing better passing teams.

[dbair1967]

Wade Phillips and Jerry Jones are always quick to bring up Ken Hamlin's value as the "coach of the secondary."

And I'm not going to discount it, but why is he so good at communicating to others what's going on while almost never being around the ball himself?

Helping prevent big passing plays has obvious merit, however 1 interception over the last two seasons is simply atrocious.

Jones said one of the positions they were looking to upgrade was safety, then talked about how they saw Sensabaugh as a key player for the secondary. Not that hard to see who he was thinking of "upgrading"

[HoleInTheRoof]

At the right price? Sure. Never know if a change in scenery would help him reach the potential many thought he had when drafted high in the first round.

[Chris in Arizona]

If I was Jerry I would call the agents for Rolle and Huff the first moment of free agency (assuming Huff is let go). If Rolle wants superstar money, I'd focus on Huff.

Rampage wouldn't be happy if the Cowboys signed him, his best friend, and his brother. Rampage is like some politicians, he want changes but offers no real options on how to actually make those changes. He just boos other people's suggestions. :D

[Chris in Arizona]

Jones said one of the positions they were looking to upgrade was safety, then talked about how they saw Sensabaugh as a key player for the secondary. Not that hard to see who he was thinking of "upgrading"

Sensabaugh didn't impress me and I was rooting for him. The Minnesota game really exposed him. He made Vicente Shiancoe look like Jerry Rice on those crossing patterns...and don't even get me started on that big TD before the half. I realize Newman released his man way too early but Sensabaugh probably still doesn't know that guy caught the ball.

I want an upgrade at BOTH safety positions.

[Eskimo]

Just a few counterpoints:

Isn't this guy widely considered a bust?

Doesn't he play on a pretty bad defense?

Didn't Ken Hamlin also have 5 INTs in one year?

[catch28]

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My sentiments exactly! Draft a guuy on the first day of the draft. We dont need someone's hand me downs!

[SLATEmosphere]

For people slobbering over drafts picks.

They have the same potential to be busts and disasters as someone being brought in like Huff.

Huff was just as heralded coming out of Texas as Thomas is now.

[Chris in Arizona]

Huff won back his starting job and played well this year.
The whole mentality of "if he's so good why did his previous team let him go" doesn't really fly.

Johnny Unitas was released by the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Kurt Warner was released by the Green Bay Packers. Then, after a ton of success with the Rams, he was later let go by the NY Giants before more success in Arizona.

James Harrison was released by the Baltimore Ravens.

Leonard Davis was widely considered a bust and was allowed to walk away from the Cardinals without a contract offer. He's worked out well for us.

There's no guarantee that Huff will repeat that success but there's no guarantee that his lack of success on his first team means he won't work out for his next team.

[Yeagermeister]

Huff won back his starting job and played well this year.
The whole mentality of "if he's so good why did his previous team let him go" doesn't really fly.

Johnny Unitas was released by the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Kurt Warner was released by the Green Bay Packers. Then, after a ton of success with the Rams, he was later let go by the NY Giants before more success in Arizona.

James Harrison was released by the Baltimore Ravens.

Leonard Davis was widely considered a bust and was allowed to walk away from the Cardinals without a contract offer. He's worked out well for us.

There's no guarantee that Huff will repeat that success but there's no guarantee that his lack of success on his first team means he won't work out for his next team.

Only one on your list that was a high 1st round pick like Huff is Davis. Not a good comparison.

[Chris in Arizona]

Jim Plunkett, Vinny Testaverde..I can't think of anymore off the top of my head (I bet Hos can).

Players can turn it around, it happens all the time.

[Bob Sacamano]

This makes sense. Although he had 3 INTs last year.

[casmith07]

I don't know much about him except that he went to UT. He's not a top safety though and he's lost his starting job to Hiram Eugene more than once. Is this guy really an upgrade from Hamlin.

Of course - Hamlin sucks, remember? He doesn't get Madden 2010 style numbers in interceptions and pick-sixes.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Naaaa.... He doesn't make enough plays on the ball for me!

[JBell523]

Huff played really good last year.

He's an upgrade over Hamlin easily.

[rojan]

I would sign him to a 2 year contract if it doesn't cost very much. 1 Million to 1.5 million a year and nothing guaranteed. I wouldn't change my approach to the draft based on the signing.

[jcollins28]

So Taylor Mays is a bum but Huff is not? If Huff did not go to UT how many people here would really want him?

[crazyfool]

not a big fan of Huff myself, loved him coming out of Texas but I just dont think he'd be a significant upgrade over Hamlin.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I simply cannot understand how anyone can convince themselves that Huff is better than Hamlin. The former is still trying to learn to play FS and prove he deserves a starting job, while the latter is a clear-cut starting calliber FS who directs his defense.

If Dallas was realy interested in a young, veteran FS that still has chance for growth, why would they look past Allan Ball? What Dallas really needs to do is draft a S and open the competition between Hamlin, Ball and the rookie.

[TheDallasDon]

okland can make anyone look bad thats why they say its a career ender, i think a change in scenery would be a turn around from him

[JBell523]

Since it's obvious a lot of you didn't see more than one Oakland game last year (and I don't blame you), let me present you some facts.

He passed the eyeball test when I watched him in the handful of Raider games I saw (made a game clinching play vs. KC from memory) and here are some stats to back it up.

According to ProFootballFocus:

-Huff ranked 1st among NFL safeties in passes defensed with 11.

-QB's targeted him 35 times and only completed 16 of those passes.

-He gave up 0 touchdowns, and the cumulative QB rating for passes thrown against him was 34.2

-Using their coverage rating system, he ranked 10th among safeties, right below Darren Sharper, and right above Jairus Byrd.

-He had zero penalties called against him.


That's a pretty impressive body of work. I'd say the light has turned on for him. He's just turning 27 in a couple of days, and we could get a ton of value for a guy who hasn't completely broken out yet. Another year like last year and he's gonna command top dollar.

I hope our front office does their homework and gets him at a bargain price assuming he gets cut.

[Manwiththeplan]

I would much rather have Huff than Rolle. I think a lot of his problems have something to do with the team he plays for and won't command a mega deal.

[JBell523]

I would much rather have Huff than Rolle. I think a lot of his problems have something to do with the team he plays for and won't command a mega deal.

What problems?

Dude is a stud. He excels in coverage. Everyone wants a ballhawk, well he's that guy.

Although as stupid as Al Davis is, I doubt they cut him.

I'd offer a middle round pick and see if they bite.

[Manwiththeplan]

What problems?

Dude is a stud. He excels in coverage. Everyone wants a ballhawk, well he's that guy.

Although as stupid as Al Davis is, I doubt they cut him.

I'd offer a middle round pick and see if they bite.

Well he had 3 ints this year, but prior to 09' he had 1 career pick in his 3 seasons. Not to mention in 08' and 09' he played in all 32 games and only started in 19, mainly because of his tackling (going by what I've heard).

So he's far from a ball hawk, however, I blame some of his issues on Oakland and I'd be willing to trade a 4th, possibly a 3rd for him