Bethea given 1st round tender

[SLATEmosphere]

Okay, here's my thing with this. Alot of people on here want Thomas or Nate Allen in the first round.

Why not just call up the Colts and ask if they would accept our first rounder for your 25 year old playmaking probowl safety.

The fact that the Colts didn't slap a first and third on him is odd. Or why they arn't giving him a long-term extension(they might for all I know)

Colts might say no, but I think it's worth a phone call.

Bethea is a baller and is a proven probowl player.

Thoughts?

[GloryDaysRBack]

Okay, here's my thing with this. Alot of people on here want Thomas or Nate Allen in the first round.

Why not just call up the Colts and ask if they would accept our first rounder for your 25 year old playmaking probowl safety.

The fact that the Colts didn't slap a first and third on him is odd. Or why they arn't giving him a long-term extension(they might for all I know)

Colts might say no, but I think it's worth a phone call.

Bethea is a baller and is a proven probowl player.

Thoughts?

I don't think that is how it works..Cowboys talk with Bethea, sign him and if the Colts do not match the Boys offer they take our pick..

This is one player I would consider signing at the expense of our 1st rounder, not sure I would pull the trigger but I would think about it

[stasheroo]

I don't think that is how it works..Cowboys talk with Bathea, sign him and if the Colts do not match the Boys offer they take our pick..

This is one player I would consider signing at the expense of our 1st rounder, not sure I would pull the trigger but I would think about it


I'd do it.

Proven player just entering the prime of his career over an unproven rookie?

Sign me up.

[SLATEmosphere]

I don't think that is how it works..Cowboys talk with Bathea, sign him and if the Colts do not match the Boys offer they take our pick..

This is one player I would consider signing at the expense of our 1st rounder, not sure I would pull the trigger but I would think about it

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You give him a contract right? and if the Colts don't match that then you have to give a first for Bethea

That's where the "poisen pill" comes from right?

[GloryDaysRBack]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You give him a contract right? and if the Colts don't match that then you have to give a first for Bethea

That's where the "poisen pill" comes from right?

exactly..I really like this kid too..thats why it is so tough for me..I think he is better than any safety we can get at 27 for this upcoming season..that is for sure

I was going to start a thread on his 1st round tender too..but didnt get around to it before you made it

[SLATEmosphere]

exactly

Then I would extremely consider doing that.

[LeonDixson]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You give him a contract right? and if the Colts don't match that then you have to give a first for Bethea

That's where the "poisen pill" comes from right?

The only way we couldn't trade for him, as far as I know, is if he is not currently under contract to the Colts. If his contract has not expired we should be able to trade. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Bethea has been playing that tampa 2 style of zone defense..any worries about that?

[Cover 2]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. You give him a contract right? and if the Colts don't match that then you have to give a first for Bethea

That's where the "poisen pill" comes from right?
No. A poison pill would be if the contract stated if he plays more than 5 games a year in Indianapolis the whole contract is guaranteed. There are other examples as well. The 1st round pick is just compensation for signing a tendered player.

[masomenos]

Bethea has been playing that tampa 2 style of zone defense..any worries about that?

I think he'd just have a slightly larger zone responsibility, probably not a difficult transition.

[dallasfaniac]

I was going to start a thread the other day regarding restricted free agents that got relatively low tenders. For instance, Jared Gaither got a 1st round only tender. Would he be worth a shot? Are there other players in the huge RFA pool that you would offer contract hoping the team didn't match?

[SLATEmosphere]

I was going to start a thread the other day regarding restricted free agents that got relatively low tenders. For instance, Jared Gaither got a 1st round only tender. Would he be worth a shot? Are there other players in the huge RFA pool that you would offer contract hoping the team didn't match?

Yeah, Gaither was an also interesting one.

[SLATEmosphere]

Bethea has been playing that tampa 2 style of zone defense..any worries about that?

I don't think so. Our safetys play alot of zone already. Of course it might be different, but nothing too drastic.

[dallasfaniac]

Yeah, Gaither was an also interesting one.

I thought so too. For a 23 year old LT that gave up 4 fewer sacks, 7 fewer QB hits and 29 fewer QB pressures than Flozell Adams, you'd have to think about it. Of course at that tender, it almost seems like there is a reason Baltimore is baiting another team to offer him a contract, even if it's as simple as negotiating the contract for them.

[Yeagermeister]

Pass....we need oline help with that #1 pick more than a safety

[dbair1967]

exactly..I really like this kid too..thats why it is so tough for me..I think he is better than any safety we can get at 27 for this upcoming season..that is for sure

I was going to start a thread on his 1st round tender too..but didnt get around to it before you made it

Just becuse the guy might be better than the first rd pick we have right NOW, doesnt make giving up a first rd pick to get him a smart move. Bethea is a decent NFL player, but he has limited upside and is not a ballhawk. You dont give up premium picks for "decent" NFL starters. We have a "decent" NFL starter there now, already under contract. You do a move like that for an obvious upgrade who would be a difference maker. Bethea is not, and never will be a "difference maker"

[dbair1967]

I also cant understand the obsession giving up our top draft pick/s for average starters from other teams, especially when you factor in how good we are at drafting lately. Let the scouts do their jobs and we'll be far better off.

You dont improve your team consistently by giving up premium draft picks for average or "decent" starters from other teams. You have to give up the pick/s and alot of money.

[masomenos]

I also cant understand the obsession giving up our top draft pick/s for average starters from other teams, especially when you factor in how good we are at drafting lately. Let the scouts do their jobs and we'll be far better off.

You dont improve your team consistently by giving up premium draft picks for average or "decent" starters from other teams. You have to give up the pick/s and alot of money.

I agree with this 100%

To piggyback that, I don't understand the obsession with wanting to trade young talent for other draft picks. People are calling for Bennett, Barber and Choice to be traded for picks. Every effort should be made to keep young talent in house.

Rule #1 - Don't trade potential high reward picks for average starters.

Rule #2 - Don't trade young, in-house talent for unknown picks.

Really, it seems obvious.

[SLATEmosphere]

Just becuse the guy might be better than the first rd pick we have right NOW, doesnt make giving up a first rd pick to get him a smart move. Bethea is a decent NFL player, but he has limited upside and is not a ballhawk. You dont give up premium picks for "decent" NFL starters. We have a "decent" NFL starter there now, already under contract. You do a move like that for an obvious upgrade who would be a difference maker. Bethea is not, and never will be a "difference maker"

Bethea is an average and decent NFL starter? Wow..cmon man..

[dbair1967]

I agree with this 100%

To piggyback that, I don't understand the obsession with wanting to trade young talent for other draft picks. People are calling for Bennett, Barber and Choice to be traded for picks. Every effort should be made to keep young talent in house.

Rule #1 - Don't trade potential high reward picks for average starters.

Rule #2 - Don't trade young, in-house talent for unknown picks.

Really, it seems obvious.

It does, but in here for some reason it isnt.

[SLATEmosphere]

I agree with this 100%

To piggyback that, I don't understand the obsession with wanting to trade young talent for other draft picks. People are calling for Bennett, Barber and Choice to be traded for picks. Every effort should be made to keep young talent in house.

Rule #1 - Don't trade potential high reward picks for average starters.

Rule #2 - Don't trade young, in-house talent for unknown picks.

Really, it seems obvious.

..how is Bethea an average starter?

Unbelievable.

[dbair1967]

..how is Bethea an average starter?

Unbelievable.

Because he is, it isnt unbelievable.

He isnt an all pro or even a consistent probowl calibar player. There are probably 10- or 15 guys just like him around the league, maybe more.

[SLATEmosphere]

Because he is, it isnt unbelievable.

He isnt an all pro or even a consistent probowl calibar player. There are probably 10- or 15 guys just like him around the league, maybe more.

lol. He's only been in the league for 4 years and has made the probowl 2 out of the last 3. Making it most recently THIS YEAR.

Your doing your typical babbling and bashing. I suggest you stop while your behind.

[Yeagermeister]

lol. He's only been in the league for 4 years and has made the probowl 2 out of the last 3. Making it most recently THIS YEAR.

Your doing your typical babbling and bashing. I suggest you stop while your behind.

Did he get voted in or went because someone else pulled out? Big difference IMO

[masomenos]

..how is Bethea an average starter?

Unbelievable.

Of safeties who played at least 75% of their teams snaps, only 6 players gave up more yards per catch than Bethea. Also, he had a plays on ball rate of 19%, which is pretty good, but hardly spectacular.

[catch28]

I would rather draft a guy in the first than sign a RFA to a large contract and give up our first. There are reasons why they didnt get the highest tender!

[SLATEmosphere]

Did he get voted in or went because someone else pulled out? Big difference IMO

Alternate his 2nd year in the league. Which is pretty damn good.

Voted in this year.

[dallasfaniac]

I would rather draft a guy in the first than sign a RFA to a large contract and give up our first. There are reasons why they didnt get the highest tender!

In Jared Gaither's case, I think it has to do with the fact that they may believe they could move Oher over to LT where he is better suited, pick up a 1st and grab a RT later in the draft.

[GloryDaysRBack]

He couldn't be a fill in this year, I don't think at least, he played for the colts. They played in the big game.

I was not suggesting that because Bethea would be better this year it was a smart move, I was stating it just because it's probably true. You also know for the most part what to expect from him. Anyone at 27 has a higher bust factor.
This still doesn't mean I would do it, I am just saying. Excuse my typos as I'm on my phone.

[casmith07]

a 1st round tender is entirely too high for Bethea. The Colts know that, and the league knows that. This is a move by the Colts to buy more time to lock him up in a deal, maybe around 3 or 4 years.

[texmex]

It concerns me the Colts didn't tender him a 1st and 3rd - if they really valued him a great deal, they would slap the additional 3rd round tender. Its almost as if they're baiting a team to sign him at point at a lower price so they can match

[UnoDallas]

if we need a safety ar all I go for

With S Antrel Rolle possibly on the way out, the Cardinals are talking to Matt Ware (http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/75220) about a possible new contract.

[BraveHeartFan]

I don't think that is how it works..Cowboys talk with Bethea, sign him and if the Colts do not match the Boys offer they take our pick..

This is one player I would consider signing at the expense of our 1st rounder, not sure I would pull the trigger but I would think about it


I'm not sure if I'd do it but I would probably think about it for sure. I can say if it did happen I can't see me being super upset by it.

[skyboy]

I would have liked to see a 1st and 3rd… better still a long term deal. While I don’t think anyone will sign him away for a 1st rounder, if I’m the Texans, Steelers or Giants I might stop and think about it for a little bit.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Pass....we need oline help with that #1 pick more than a safety

:clap2:

[sureletsrace]

I watched almost every Colts game last year. Bethea is perhaps one of the most underrated players I've ever seen on a football field. The guy is a monster playmaker.

Colts didn't put a 1st/3rd tender on him because they didn't need to. Nobody realizes this guy is a beast except those who watch him in and out every week. Teams get to where they stop throwing deep on his side. He reminds me of a Mike Jenkins at Safety.

I'd give the first for him in a heartbeat. He's 25. Sign him to 5yr/26mil with 14 guaranteed.

Championship.

[dbair1967]

I watched almost every Colts game last year. Bethea is perhaps one of the most underrated players I've ever seen on a football field. The guy is a monster playmaker.

Colts didn't put a 1st/3rd tender on him because they didn't need to. Nobody realizes this guy is a beast except those who watch him in and out every week. Teams get to where they stop throwing deep on his side. He reminds me of a Mike Jenkins at Safety.

I'd give the first for him in a heartbeat. He's 25. Sign him to 5yr/26mil with 14 guaranteed.

Championship.

:lmao:

So which are you, father Bethea or brother Beathea?

[Woods]

It concerns me the Colts didn't tender him a 1st and 3rd - if they really valued him a great deal, they would slap the additional 3rd round tender. Its almost as if they're baiting a team to sign him at point at a lower price so they can match


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Yup.

I think JJ would like the "market" set the price for a couple of his players as well. He could then ink them much more quickly - or take the pick(s).

[Manwiththeplan]

I'd pass for several reasons

-You never know who will be there at #27. What if Jimmy Clausen falls to 27, ala Quinn and Rogers and Indy gets another first for the pick. I'd feel pretty stupid. Never mind a guy like Thomas, Iupati or who ever falls.

-Safties imo are one of the positions where it's hardest to predict success from scheme to scheme. RBs are the easiest, you change your scheme for a QB, but DBs in general (and WRs) are the hardest to predict.

-He'll be 26 at the start of the season, so we sign him for a 5 year deal and then he's likely done. Yeah the guy we draft may not even have a 5 year career, but I'll take the unkown at this point. If he signs the tender (thus making him tradable after the deadline to sign RFA), I'd consider calling Indy depending on how the board looks at 27, prior to that, no.

[The Natural]

you all still havent learned about dealing 1st round picks for players