The Jared Gaither Thread **Merged**

[Silverstar]

The Ravens LT Jared Gaither 6-9 340, turns 24 this month and has already played in 5 postseason games. The Ravens decided to give Gaither, a 1st round tender and not the higher 1st and 3rd round tender for a RFA. If any team decides to go after his services, they will not only fork up their 1st round pick this year, but also a hefty contract and signing bonus as well.

Bottom line...do you think Gaither is worth it?

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/207/slideshow_20730/display_image.jpg

[Karon Williams]

don't know. I don't watch many Ravens games and when I do I never pay much attention to their lt. He is young and plays a position that we do need to address don't know much about him beside that

[LatinMind]

gaither for the 27th pick? sign me up. sure hed cost some money but not anything close to what flo contract is

[UnoDallas]

Jerry should have jumped on him when he was drafted

now I don't think I do it

rather have my first round pick

get Iupati

and use Free as our LT

and draft a LT or a swing T

[LatinMind]

Jerry should have jumped on him when he was drafted

now I don't think I do it

rather have my first round pick

get Iupati

and use Free as our LT

and draft a LT or a swing T

iupati will be gone before dallas is fully set up draftday

[gmoney112]

iupati will be gone before dallas is fully set up draftday

to whom?

[LatinMind]

to whom?

he wont get past the steelers

[gmoney112]

he wont get past the steelers

Possibly. Their secondary is in shambles however, and if they want to make the playoffs this year they need to get some help there. There are some decent OL prospects in the 2-3 rounds so i'd expect them to take a legit 1st round CB/S prospect before a guard.

[montgod]

tough call... the one thing he does have is good pro experience vs. a rookie unknown.

[Sarge]

he wont get past the steelers

:signmast:

[Galian Beast]

People are a little overly obsessed with the draft.

They see draft picks as way higher in value than they really are. I'd much rather use a pick for a player that I know can play, and play now.

Gaither is a top rated tackle.

We're at the point where we need to replace Flozell Adams immediately.

[casmith07]

Not for a first round pick when we have a shot at drafting Mike Iupati.

[JBell523]

According to Ravens fans, he's worth it: http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/20105-teams-showing-interest-in-jared-gaither/page__st__40

For the lazy, here's cliff notes:

-Most want a high 1st rounder if a team signs him
-Gaither is a stud
-Some wouldn't mind losing him because they have a lot of upcoming FA's that are gonna command huge contracts (Ngata) and Gaither is gonna get that cake
-Trading him only to draft an OT in the first round would be dumb considering you already know what you have in Gaither.



Since Ravens fans actually watch Gaither and know how good he is, I would definitely not mind pulling the trigger on this now.

[dbair1967]

Not for a first round pick when we have a shot at drafting Mike Iupati.

I'll second this.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Abseloutely without a doubt I'd do it. We're most likely targeting oline in the first anyway, so why not spend it on someone who has ready proven himself, has playoff experience, and is basically the same age as a rookie would be, rather then spending it on a rookie unknown. The fact is we have no shot at iupati, if we did I would feel differently about this.

[Hailmary]

Not for a first round pick when we have a shot at drafting Mike Iupati.

I would normally agree with this line of thinking when it comes to RFAs and giving up draft picks, but in this case, I would be very tempted to pull the trigger.

Gaither's still very young (less than a year older than Iupati actually) but has already logged in a couple of seasons as a starter. Iupati may need half a year to a full year before he can contribute (especially considering the level of competition he's faced during his time at Idaho).

My only concern about Gaither is that he's a MASSIVE guy. His weight might be an issue in a few years, imo.

[burmafrd]

LTs certainly do not grow on trees so I ask why Baltimore is willing to let him go?

[JBell523]

LTs certainly do not grow on trees so I ask why Baltimore is willing to let him go?
Gaither is gonna get a ton of $$$ and they have other guys due for big paychecks as well (Rice, Ngata).

I'm assuming they feel confident in Oher's ability to play LT.

[Sandman]

Its not a matter of should we do it,the question is WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE IT YET. This is a no brainer.:starspin

[Eskimo]

I wouldn't consider until Miles has been inked up as I don't want any retaliation.

[RS12]

Not for a first round pick when we have a shot at drafting Mike Iupati.

Every mock I have seen lately has Iupati going 15-20, you will have to move up. Guys who might be there that are supposedly falling are Anthony Davis, Dez Bryant, and Weatherspoon. Still think there will be an early run on linemen however.

[Silverstar]

Something else to consider...

After signing his 6 year 43.8 million contract and 15 million signing bonus in February 2008, Adams has committed 25 penalties for 180 yards, including 15 false starts, 6 holding penalties, 4 conduct penalties for $75,000 in fines and has given up 15.25 sacks for 97.5 yards.

http://nationalpost.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4298&team=6

[casmith07]

Gaither is gonna get a ton of $$$ and they have other guys due for big paychecks as well (Rice, Ngata).

I'm assuming they feel confident in Oher's ability to play LT.

Baltimore is definitely going to give Ngata a contract extension.

[casmith07]

I would normally agree with this line of thinking when it comes to RFAs and giving up draft picks, but in this case, I would be very tempted to pull the trigger.

Gaither's still very young (less than a year older than Iupati actually) but has already logged in a couple of seasons as a starter. Iupati may need half a year to a full year before he can contribute (especially considering the level of competition he's faced during his time at Idaho).

My only concern about Gaither is that he's a MASSIVE guy. His weight might be an issue in a few years, imo.

That's completely the point. What better guys to learn under and develop than Kyle Kosier and Leonard Davis? He might actually show enough to oust Kosier at LG from the get-go.

We're finally starting to build through the draft, and I like it. I don't want to go sign bank-breaking contracts for someone else's players that they don't want to sign to bank-breaking contracts. Not unless it's a can't-miss, championship-caliber player. Gaither isn't that player.

Every mock I have seen lately has Iupati going 15-20, you will have to move up. Guys who might be there that are supposedly falling are Anthony Davis, Dez Bryant, and Weatherspoon. Still think there will be an early run on linemen however.

And all of those teams that need help at Left Tackle (Pittsburgh, San Francisco) could possibly be in the running for Gaither.

Iupati is a Guard, not a Tackle. We'll see how it plays out but if it looks like Iupati is going to get selected between 20-26, I wouldn't be surprised if our staff did some dealing to move up.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

That's completely the point. What better guys to learn under and develop than Kyle Kosier and Leonard Davis? He might actually show enough to oust Kosier at LG from the get-go.

We're finally starting to build through the draft, and I like it. I don't want to go sign bank-breaking contracts for someone else's players that they don't want to sign to bank-breaking contracts. Not unless it's a can't-miss, championship-caliber player. Gaither isn't that player.



And all of those teams that need help at Left Tackle (Pittsburgh, San Francisco) could possibly be in the running for Gaither.

Iupati is a Guard, not a Tackle. We'll see how it plays out but if it looks like Iupati is going to get selected between 20-26, I wouldn't be surprised if our staff did some dealing to move up.


lmao, I really doubt Dallas trades up to draft an O linemen man

[187beatdown]

he wont get past the steelers

So then we'll move up.

[JBell523]

We haven't drafted an O-lineman in Round 1 since Jerry's been here. I don't think that's by accident either.

[CATCH17]

Im bumping this.

It seems like such a obvious move. I didn't know Gaither was so young too.

If they want a first give it to them. Gaithers legit and pretty much a sure thing.

I'd rather have Gaither than take a chance on Iupati or any other Olinemen.

[Galian Beast]

I would get Gaither, and still try to trade up to get a really good linemen in this draft, but either way its a deep draft, we could still take someone in the second.

Gaither is a perfect addition though.

[CATCH17]

The goal right now should be to somehow land Atogwe and Gaither without losing this years first.

Maybe Baltimore would take our 2011 1st?

We just need to get that guy and be glad we got our franchise tackle.

[the truth of it all]

idk we need a saftey in a bad way. was there any truth to the bethea rumors?


Id love earl Thomas on this team, im not a texas homer . But seeing alot of their games he is just as good as griffin i expect him to be top ten but if we cannot pass on this kid. no one will be as good as him if he stays in his current range.

[CATCH17]

idk we need a saftey in a bad way. was there any truth to the bethea rumors?


Id love earl Thomas on this team, im not a texas homer . But seeing alot of their games he is just as good as griffin i expect him to be top ten but if we cannot pass on this kid. no one will be as good as him if he stays in his current range.

Its a lot easier to find quality Safeties than it is to get someone like Gaither.

[brickman]

I would get Gaither, and still try to trade up to get a really good linemen in this draft, but either way its a deep draft, we could still take someone in the second.

Gaither is a perfect addition though.



I'm with you Catch. Give me the YOUNG proven guy. He is a stud and would solidify that position (Romo's blindside) for the next 10 years. I didn't realize he is only 24. Man, that would be sweet if we could pull it off.

[reddyuta]

The goal right now should be to somehow land Atogwe and Gaither without losing this years first.

Maybe Baltimore would take our 2011 1st?

We just need to get that guy and be glad we got our franchise tackle.

good point,i really hate losing a 1st rd pick in this years(supposedly one of the best draft classes).

[big dog cowboy]

He is a stud and would solidify that position (Romo's blindside) for the next 10 years.
Romo is playing for 10 more years?

:D

[Teague31]

I'm with you Catch. Give me the YOUNG proven guy. He is a stud and would solidify that position (Romo's blindside) for the next 10 years. I didn't realize he is only 24. Man, that would be sweet if we could pull it off.

you know the ravens are moving him to RT don't you?

[5mics]

People are a little overly obsessed with the draft.

They see draft picks as way higher in value than they really are. I'd much rather use a pick for a player that I know can play, and play now.

Gaither is a top rated tackle.

We're at the point where we need to replace Flozell Adams immediately.

:signmast:

[CATCH17]

you know the ravens are moving him to RT don't you?

You know they have Michael Oher, right?

The guy can play left tackle at a high level and that's all you need to know.

[unionjack8]

Gaither is a top 5 young OT in the game imo.
I'd be all over it, but JJ needs to move fast and be the first to get him to sign an offer sheet. By all accounts the 49ers like him too.

Not that the Ravens have ANY say in which team signs him and he can only sign ONE offer sheet. I'm all over this!!

[CATCH17]

Jerry should have jumped on him when he was drafted

now I don't think I do it

rather have my first round pick

get Iupati

and use Free as our LT

and draft a LT or a swing T

If money isn't an issue than we'd be out of our minds to pick any linemen in this draft over Gaither.

I expect something to happen next week with us and Gaither. It just makes to much sense.

[mmillman]

Gaither is young and better than almost every tackle in the draft so heck yes!!!!!

[Cover 2]

If money isn't an issue than we'd be out of our minds to pick any linemen in this draft over Gaither.

I expect something to happen next week with us and Gaither. It just makes to much sense.
I just don't see it happening. I wouldn't be upset if we did, but it just doesn't seem like a move Jerry would do.

And if we did get him does that mean we cut Flo? Because we would have 4 starting caliber OT's if we pulled this off.
Romo is playing for 10 more years?

:D
I could see Romo playing another 10 years. Or at least close to it. Because of the rules to protect quarterbacks, you now see many of them play till around 40. Okay well Favre and Warner, but I think Romo will be able to do it as well.

[dbair1967]

Gaither is a top 5 young OT in the game imo.
I'd be all over it, but JJ needs to move fast and be the first to get him to sign an offer sheet. By all accounts the 49ers like him too.

Not that the Ravens have ANY say in which team signs him and he can only sign ONE offer sheet. I'm all over this!!

If he were a top 5 tackle in the game, the Ravens would have done alot more to protect him. Some fo you are going vastly overboard with how good this guy really is.

[CATCH17]

I just don't see it happening. I wouldn't be upset if we did, but it just doesn't seem like a move Jerry would do.

And if we did get him does that mean we cut Flo? Because we would have 4 starting caliber OT's if we pulled this off.

I could see Romo playing another 10 years. Or at least close to it. Because of the rules to protect quarterbacks, you now see many of them play till around 40. Okay well Favre and Warner, but I think Romo will be able to do it as well.

Yeah we would cut Flo.


We need to dump Flo and Hamlins contracts this offseason. Especially Hamlin.

Getting Gaither is basically a get by free card for all the bad drafting and not going for quality at that position.

[CATCH17]

If he were a top 5 tackle in the game, the Ravens would have done alot more to protect him. Some fo you are going vastly overboard with how good this guy really is.

They have a lot of guys they are about to pay big money too and they have Oher.

Gaithers legit and there is no getting around it.

I would take him over Okung or any other linemen in this draft.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

If he were a top 5 tackle in the game, the Ravens would have done alot more to protect him. Some fo you are going vastly overboard with how good this guy really is.

he's not a top 5 tackle as of right now but I have no doubt he will be. He's only 24. Potential galore.

[dbair1967]

Yeah we would cut Flo.


We need to dump Flo and Hamlins contracts this offseason. Especially Hamlin.

Getting Gaither is basically a get by free card for all the bad drafting and not going for quality at that position.

Free looked really good last yr. They supposedly like Brewster too, and he needs his chance to prove himself before people write him off.

Our scouting department is doing a damn goosd job, this team is loaded with alot of really good players. Continuing to crucify them over some bad picks that guys made (who arnt even here anymore) isnt right.

[dbair1967]

They have a lot of guys they are about to pay big money too and they have Oher.

Gaithers legit and there is no getting around it.

I would take him over Okung or any other linemen in this draft.

wow...just wow

[CATCH17]

Free looked really good last yr. They supposedly like Brewster too, and he needs his chance to prove himself before people write him off.

Our scouting department is doing a damn goosd job, this team is loaded with alot of really good players. Continuing to crucify them over some bad picks that guys made (who arnt even here anymore) isnt right.

It's been oline in general. They did a good job with Free but he is no Gaither.

Gaither and Free would be bookends for years.

Do it now and just be done with it and answer all of our franchise tackle issues.

[Nexx]

you know the ravens are moving him to RT don't you?

ok, so free at LT and Gaither at RT, sounds good to me.

[dogunwo]

Free looked really good last yr. They supposedly like Brewster too, and he needs his chance to prove himself before people write him off.

Our scouting department is doing a damn goosd job, this team is loaded with alot of really good players. Continuing to crucify them over some bad picks that guys made (who arnt even here anymore) isnt right.

But you know, Brewster wasnt drafted in Round 1, so therefore he sucks, and can't possibly come in and contribute..........:rolleyes:

[CATCH17]

ok, so free at LT and Gaither at RT, sounds good to me.

Gaither would be the left tackle.


I don't guess dbair has seen a lot of this guy.

[Cover 2]

But you know, Brewster wasnt drafted in Round 1, so therefore he sucks, and can't possibly come in and contribute..........:rolleyes:
I thought Brewster was being looked at as a guard.

[CATCH17]

I thought Brewster was being looked at as a guard.

I think if he ever starts it will be as a guard but the Cowboys want him as a guard / tackle swingman for now to save roster spots.

[Cover 2]

I think if he ever starts it will be as a guard but the Cowboys want him as a guard / tackle swingman for now to save roster spots.
Oh, okay. If he could ever start at guard that would make getting Gaither better, because I doubt anyone is going to beat Bigg out. I still don't think we will get Gaither, but I wouldn't be upset if it happened.

[Dash28]

wow...just wow
What is so "wow" about what he said? Okung or any OL rookie is an unknown and Gaither has shown he can play at a high level.

[CATCH17]

Oh, okay. If he could ever start at guard that would make getting Gaither better, because I doubt anyone is going to beat Bigg out. I still don't think we will get Gaither, but I wouldn't be upset if it happened.

Yeah if we don't get Gaither then that's fine but I don't think we can justify taking Iupati or any other linemen with that pick over Gaither.

We can also free ourselves of Flos contract.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Free looked really good last yr. They supposedly like Brewster too, and he needs his chance to prove himself before people write him off.

Our scouting department is doing a damn goosd job, this team is loaded with alot of really good players. Continuing to crucify them over some bad picks that guys made (who arnt even here anymore) isnt right.

This seems like a bit of a reach Dblair. Brewster was a project even before he was injured. He now has to still get acclaimated and learn on the field. He MIGHT be very good, but he also might just as easily be a bust and anyone claiming to know one way or another is dellusional.

[burmafrd]

This seems like a bit of a reach Dblair. Brewster was a project even before he was injured. He now has to still get acclaimated and learn on the field. He MIGHT be very good, but he also might just as easily be a bust and anyone claiming to know one way or another is dellusional.


all should note this moment. I agree with canadian.


You may now board the straight to hell express.

please watch your step.

[rpatricc]

Fuel to the fire...

After assigning him just a first-round tender, the Ravens are believed to be willing to move restricted free agent LT Jared Gaither.
Gaither would've gotten the first- and third-round tender if the Ravens were truly intent on keeping him. The Ravens want to move Michael Oher to left tackle. The Baltimore Sun suggests four possible destinations for Gaither: San Francisco, Indianapolis, Dallas, and Seattle. Teams targeting Gaither could probably work out a deal for less than the first-round pick.
Source: Baltimore Sun

[SLATEmosphere]

I personally think he's better than any of the bottom of the barrel trash LT's that will be left when we pick at 27.

Campell is a walking bust.

Gaither is going to be 24. Just beginning to tap into his potential.

[CATCH17]

Fuel to the fire...

After assigning him just a first-round tender, the Ravens are believed to be willing to move restricted free agent LT Jared Gaither.
Gaither would've gotten the first- and third-round tender if the Ravens were truly intent on keeping him. The Ravens want to move Michael Oher to left tackle. The Baltimore Sun suggests four possible destinations for Gaither: San Francisco, Indianapolis, Dallas, and Seattle. Teams targeting Gaither could probably work out a deal for less than the first-round pick.Source: Baltimore Sun

Interesting... Muahahaaa

[SLATEmosphere]

I doubt the Ravens work out a deal for Gaither for anything less than a 1st rounder.

Martellus and a 2nd perhaps?

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I have a feeling Jerry is going to go after this guy. Who cares if you give up the 1st anyway, were more then likely targeting O line in the 1st and he's the best option we'll have by far. Gaither-Brewster-Gurode-Davis-Free looks LEGIT to me. Then sign Atogwe, one of the best Zone coverage FS in the league and theres 2 needs you don't have to worry about in the draft. Take John Jerry in the 2nd in case Brewester doesn't work out, and Jacoby ford in the 3rd, and we're contenders for the next 10+ years.

[StarMan]

I doubt the Ravens work out a deal for Gaither for anything less than a 1st rounder.

Martellus and a 2nd perhaps?

Interesting...the Ravens need a TE.

[SLATEmosphere]

I have a feeling Jerry is going to go after this guy. Who cares if you give up the 1st anyway, were more then likely targeting O line in the 1st and he's the best option we'll have by far. Gaither-Brewster-Gurode-Davis-Free looks LEGIT to me. Then sign Atogwe, one of the best Zone coverage FS in the league and theres 2 needs you don't have to worry about in the draft. Take John Jerry in the 2nd in case Brewester doesn't work out, and Jacoby ford in the 3rd, and we're contenders for the next 10+ years.

John Jerry in the 2nd? No.

I do however think that trading for Gaither and signing Atogwe would immediatly make this team better.

[Teague31]

If he is really this good, why are the ravens going to get rid of him?

[CanuckCowboysFan]

John Jerry in the 2nd? No.

I do however think that trading for Gaither and signing Atogwe would immediatly make this team better.


yeah well Jerry's my pet cat so I might be a little bias but whatever. But yeah Gaither+Atogwe is ideal.

[CATCH17]

John Jerry in the 2nd? No.

I do however think that trading for Gaither and signing Atogwe would immediatly make this team better.

And we could dump 2 of our 3 worst contracts.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I personally think he's better than any of the bottom of the barrel trash LT's that will be left when we pick at 27.

Campell is a walking bust.

Gaither is going to be 24. Just beginning to tap into his potential.

I am stunned SLATE you never want to sign FAs and give up draft picks. :rolleyes:

Free at $400k a year or whatever pittance he makes off his fourth round pick contract is infinitely better than the $8+ million contract that Gaither is going to demand.

Free is strong, quick and just starting to come on. Give him an offseason to break down every snap and review film, get with Juraszek to strengthen where he needs improvement and refine his technique he is going to be even better next year.

We have Flo and Free. We don't need to waste 5+ years of top talent locked up at a discount price that is a first round draft pick for Gaither at 4 times that cost when hes not even needed.

Is there any even halfway decent OT or FS out there that you're not willing to give up the farm for?

[Romo 2 Austin]

He is 24. He is a dominant LT and can be one for the next decade.


YES!

[CATCH17]

I am stunned SLATE you never want to sign FAs and give up draft picks. :rolleyes:

Free at $400k a year or whatever pittance he makes off his fourth round pick contract is infinitely better than the $8+ million contract that Gaither is going to demand.

Free is strong, quick and just starting to come on. Give him an offseason to break down every snap and review film, get with Juraszek to strengthen where he needs improvement and refine his technique he is going to be even better next year.

We have Flo and Free. We don't need to waste 5+ years of top talent locked up at a discount price that is a first round draft pick for Gaither at 4 times that cost when hes not even needed.

Is there any even halfway decent OT or FS out there that you're not willing to give up the farm for?

Gaither 8 mill a year > Free for 400k

Its worth it for that position.


Also Flo is gone if we get Gaither. Its an uncapped year so now is our chance to dump his contract. Hamlins too.

[SLATEmosphere]

I am stunned SLATE you never want to sign FAs and give up draft picks. :rolleyes:

Free at $400k a year or whatever pittance he makes off his fourth round pick contract is infinitely better than the $8+ million contract that Gaither is going to demand.

Free is strong, quick and just starting to come on. Give him an offseason to break down every snap and review film, get with Juraszek to strengthen where he needs improvement and refine his technique he is going to be even better next year.

We have Flo and Free. We don't need to waste 5+ years of top talent locked up at a discount price that is a first round draft pick for Gaither at 4 times that cost when hes not even needed.

Is there any even halfway decent OT or FS out there that you're not willing to give up the farm for?

I see you don't want to a have a civil discussion.

You'd rather be a ***** but okay.

Flozell is on his last legs. Gaither is 24 and could take over that LT spot. Free can move to swing tackle.

It isn't that hard to understand genius

[SLATEmosphere]

Interesting...the Ravens need a TE.

I'd use Martellus as a starting point and work from there.

They just aquired Boldin and maybe they feel they need a young TE to compliment that.

[gmoney112]

Well, ignoring the line has really come back to bite us. I really don't know. Flo and Colombo probably have 1 more decent year ahead of them and then what? Colombo could be done for all we know. We haven't developed anyone that could add any depth to our line outside of Free. We can piece together a line for 2010 and Free could potentially be our future LT but we are lacking serious depth and it'll only take an injury or two to completely expose that. What about 2011? We have what, 3 tackles on the roster right now? We're playing with fire and I really don't see any potential prospects we could grab that could be quality depth in their rookie season.

If it was me, would I do it? Probably. I don't have the tape our staff does though. I haven't seen his bad moments. I just know what I've read. If he has the potential to be a long term starter and potential Pro Bowler then I think you absolutely pull the trigger on this deal.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'd use Martellus as a starting point and work from there.

They just aquired Boldin and maybe they feel they need a young TE to compliment that.

Martellus Bennett 3rd round pick 2010, 5th round pick 2011.
If that is not enough, i'd throw in Flozell Adams if they want him.
Hell I would even do:

Martellus Bennett, Doug Free and 5th round pick 2011 for Jared Gaither.

Get'er done Jerry

[Teague31]

He is 24. He is a dominant LT and can be one for the next decade.


YES!

and why would a team dump a dominant 24 yr old LT??? the answer is they wouldn't.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see you don't want to a have a civil discussion.

You'd rather be a ***** but okay.

Flozell is on his last legs. Gaither is 24 and could take over that LT spot. Free can move to swing tackle.

It isn't that hard to understand genius

Dude every single safety or tackle free agent thread has you in it pimping the signing. Its the truth if youre going to get all feelings about it then so be it.

Its not like the guy is an allpro or even a probowler. He is pretty good but not worth giving all that up for. At least hes better than Bushrod.

We can only offer him 5 million anyway so you might as well get used to the idea that we are not going for expensive FA. Its not that hard to understand genius.

This ain't Madden either. You would run a team exactly like Dan Snyder.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'd use Martellus as a starting point and work from there.

They just aquired Boldin and maybe they feel they need a young TE to compliment that.

:madden:

[Thatkidbob]

Martellus Bennett 3rd round pick 2010, 5th round pick 2011.
If that is not enough, i'd throw in Flozell Adams if they want him.
Hell I would even do:

Martellus Bennett, Doug Free and 5th round pick 2011 for Jared Gaither.

Get'er done Jerry
You probably think Minnesota got a good deal on the Herschel Walker trade.

[unionjack8]

fuzzy - wrong - we can sign gaither to whatever we want, he's an RFA not an UFA.

[jobberone]

Every mock I have seen lately has Iupati going 15-20, you will have to move up. Guys who might be there that are supposedly falling are Anthony Davis, Dez Bryant, and Weatherspoon. Still think there will be an early run on linemen however.

I agree. We could possibly see eight OTs go in the first round. Throw in three safeties, some LBs, a CB or two, and all the DL and maybe a WR or so and we have a chance at getting a good OT this draft.

[CATCH17]

I agree. We could possibly see eight OTs go in the first round. Throw in three safeties, some LBs, a CB or two, and all the DL and maybe a WR or so and we have a chance at getting a good OT this draft.

Not one as good as Gaither.

He's better than all these guys in this draft IMO.

If we don't pick up Gaither than Dallas is probably looking elsewhere at 27 anyways.

[JSP21]

Dude every single safety or tackle free agent thread has you in it pimping the signing. Its the truth if youre going to get all feelings about it then so be it.

Its not like the guy is an allpro or even a probowler. He is pretty good but not worth giving all that up for. At least hes better than Bushrod.

We can only offer him 5 million anyway so you might as well get used to the idea that we are not going for expensive FA. Its not that hard to understand genius.

This ain't Madden either. You would run a team exactly like Dan Snyder.

Why U So Mad?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/mcmidgetman/rock50.gif

[SLATEmosphere]

Dude every single safety or tackle free agent thread has you in it pimping the signing. Its the truth if youre going to get all feelings about it then so be it.

Its not like the guy is an allpro or even a probowler. He is pretty good but not worth giving all that up for. At least hes better than Bushrod.

We can only offer him 5 million anyway so you might as well get used to the idea that we are not going for expensive FA. Its not that hard to understand genius.

This ain't Madden either. You would run a team exactly like Dan Snyder.

Dude get over me. It's nice to see you sitting back reading my posts and then decide to pounce.

I doubt you talk to people like that in person.

[jobberone]

Although I've seen it both ways, we can sign one FA for GREATER than 5.5 million. The 5.5 is not a cap.

[Romo 2 Austin]

You probably think Minnesota got a good deal on the Herschel Walker trade.

LOL


Let me explain why that trade makes sense for both sides


Gaither is a top 5 tackle in the NFL and he is 24 years old! Do you really expect Free to become that good? Plus he is already 2 years older.

They need a TE, they will need a tackle to replace Gaither and a 2011 5th round pick to sweeten the deal.

Franchise LT's are hard to come by, Gaither is one.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude get over me. It's nice to see you sitting back reading my posts and then decide to pounce.

I doubt you talk to people like that in person.

I see you take this victim martyr tact often.

Its not like I use the search function. Its impossible to miss.

And yes I talk to people like that in person especially after they do the same thing over and over again 30 times.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

LOL


Let me explain why that trade makes sense for both sides


Gaither is a top 5 tackle in the NFL and he is 24 years old! Do you really expect Free to become that good? Plus he is already 2 years older.

They need a TE, they will need a tackle to replace Gaither and a 2011 5th round pick to sweeten the deal.

Franchise LT's are hard to come by, Gaither is one.



relax man. No way he's a top 5 tackle in the NFL. Maybe in the future.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why U So Mad?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/mcmidgetman/rock50.gif

I am not mad.

[big dog cowboy]

Martellus Bennett 3rd round pick 2010, 5th round pick 2011.
If that is not enough, i'd throw in Flozell Adams if they want him.
Hell I would even do:

Martellus Bennett, Doug Free and 5th round pick 2011 for Jared Gaither.

Get'er done Jerry
:madden:

[JSP21]

I am not mad.

Ok just making sure man.

[cowboyjoe]

Ok just making sure man.

here is some more on gaither

Jared Gaither-T- Ravens Mar. 7 - 1:10 pm et


After assigning him just a first-round tender, the Ravens are believed to be willing to move restricted free agent LT Jared Gaither.

Gaither would've gotten the first- and third-round tender if the Ravens were truly intent on keeping him. The Ravens want to move Michael Oher to left tackle. The Baltimore Sun suggests four possible destinations for Gaither: San Francisco, Indianapolis, Dallas, and Seattle. Teams targeting Gaither could probably work out a deal for less than the first-round pick.
Source: Baltimore Sun
Related: Cowboys, Colts, Seahawks, 49ers

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ok just making sure man.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Although I've seen it both ways, we can sign one FA for GREATER than 5.5 million. The 5.5 is not a cap.

Interesting, I was always under the impression that it was capped at that.

[SLATEmosphere]

I see you take this victim martyr tact often.

Its not like I use the search function. Its impossible to miss.

And yes I talk to people like that in person especially after they do the same thing over and over again 30 times.

Then you probably have gotten beat up alot.

[casmith07]

:madden:

lol...news flash for Romo 2 Austin - Jared Gaither doesn't run 30+ yards down field and block for Felix Jones on that play like Doug Free.

Cheap, young talent is what we need, a la New England, for longterm success. The last thing I want Jerry to do is hamstring our roster for the next 5 years for an offensive tackle.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Then you probably have gotten beat up alot.

Oh dear lord. Are you saying that you would take a swing at me for saying that or something because that is pretty weaksauce?

You don't know me or my past so I will just leave it by saying I have not been in a fight for a long time and the last one I was in was over something that was done and not said.

Quite frankly for the most part if you get in fights over what someone says then you are pretty weakminded.

[SLATEmosphere]

lol...news flash for Romo 2 Austin - Jared Gaither doesn't run 30+ yards down field and block for Felix Jones on that play like Doug Free.

Cheap, young talent is what we need, a la New England, for longterm success. The last thing I want Jerry to do is hamstring our roster for the next 5 years for an offensive tackle.

Gaither at LT
Free at RT

Get over it cheap ***.

[casmith07]

here is some more on gaither

Jared Gaither-T- Ravens Mar. 7 - 1:10 pm et


After assigning him just a first-round tender, the Ravens are believed to be willing to move restricted free agent LT Jared Gaither.

Gaither would've gotten the first- and third-round tender if the Ravens were truly intent on keeping him. The Ravens want to move Michael Oher to left tackle. The Baltimore Sun suggests four possible destinations for Gaither: San Francisco, Indianapolis, Dallas, and Seattle. Teams targeting Gaither could probably work out a deal for less than the first-round pick.
Source: Baltimore Sun
Related: Cowboys, Colts, Seahawks, 49ers

It's not that fact that we could get him for less than the 1st rounder, it's the inevitable monster contract you're going to have to draft immediately thereafter. So you doubly-lose through a sign and trade deal. I don't like sign and trades, and neither does anyone else on this board that isn't a fan of Roy Williams.

Yet everyone wants to make it happen. I laugh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gaither at LT
Free at RT

Get over it cheap ***.

Get over it :madden:

Actually now that I know you get all feelings this is kinda fun.

[casmith07]

Gaither at LT
Free at RT

Get over it cheap ***.

If you'd actually read Romo 2 Austin's post instead of just trying to come at me with name-calling and the almighty language filter, you'd know that Romo 2 Austin was talking of trading Doug Free in order to obtain Gaither.

Reading is a virtue.

Slate's cruise for spring break:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/failboat_arrival.jpg

[SLATEmosphere]

It's not that fact that we could get him for less than the 1st rounder, it's the inevitable monster contract you're going to have to draft immediately thereafter. So you doubly-lose through a sign and trade deal. I don't like sign and trades, and neither does anyone else on this board that isn't a fan of Roy Williams.

Yet everyone wants to make it happen. I laugh.

omg your so cheap

There's 3 positions you pay top dollar for.
QB
LT
RT

[FuzzyLumpkins]

omg your so cheap

There's 3 positions you pay top dollar for.
QB
LT
RT

Actually no you dont pay high dollar for RT and you left out CB and pass rusher.

[SLATEmosphere]

If you'd actually read Romo 2 Austin's post instead of just trying to come at me with name-calling and the almighty language filter, you'd know that Romo 2 Austin was talking of trading Doug Free in order to obtain Gaither.

Reading is a virtue.

I dont read his posts

But you dont want Gaither because he costs alot of money.

Wake up. It's the NFL. LT's get paid. especially 23 year old future perenial probowlers.

[SLATEmosphere]

Actually no you dont pay high dollar for RT and you left out CB and pass rusher.

get off my nuts.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

get off my nuts.

Quit crying.

If you keep parroting the same asinine garbage over and over again don't get feelings when people call you on it.

[casmith07]

I dont read his posts

But you dont want Gaither because he costs alot of money.

Wake up. It's the NFL. LT's get paid. especially 23 year old future perenial probowlers.

So he's a future perennial Pro Bowl selection how?

And no, if you would READ, you would know that I don't want Gaither because it will cost the Cowboys a lot more than just MONEY. It will cost us draft picks PLUS hinderance on our salary cap which hinders us from re-signing players like MILES AUSTIN who have yet to work out a long term contract, and might not even do so until the salary cap is re-imposed.

Does it make any sense to you yet?

Oh and take out RT and throw in Edge Rusher on that list and you'll be starting to get there. Add CB too.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

all should note this moment. I agree with canadian.


You may now board the straight to hell express.

please watch your step.

Do you have me confused with another poster or just don't like Canadians in general?

[SLATEmosphere]

So he's a future perennial Pro Bowl selection how?

And no, if you would READ, you would know that I don't want Gaither because it will cost the Cowboys a lot more than just MONEY. It will cost us draft picks PLUS hinderance on our salary cap which hinders us from re-signing players like MILES AUSTIN who have yet to work out a long term contract, and might not even do so until the salary cap is re-imposed.

Does it make any sense to you yet?

Oh and take out RT and throw in Edge Rusher on that list and you'll be starting to get there. Add CB too.

We need tackle help and will probably pick one in the round one or 2.

What's the difference if we give up a first for Gaither and drafting Campbell in the first?

Oh wait..nothing.

[Galian Beast]

We need tackle help and will probably pick one in the round one or 2.

What's the difference if we give up a first for Gaither and drafting Campbell in the first?

Oh wait..nothing.

The kids think that if you get a pro bowl quality tackle in the draft you won't eventually have to pay him...

They also think he'll be able to play from the get go.

Gaither replaces Flozell Adams, period and point blank. Not only replaces, but improves the LT position.

[SLATEmosphere]

The kids think that if you get a pro bowl quality tackle in the draft you won't eventually have to pay him...

They also think he'll be able to play from the get go.

Gaither replaces Flozell Adams, period and point blank. Not only replaces, but improves the LT position.

but OMGZ it saves us money!!!!

I see nothing but garbage tackles left at 27.

Okung,Williams,Buluga,Davis all gone by 25.

Veldheer is a nice prospect but a huge hit or miss and Capers and Campbell are both garbage.

[JBell523]

I'm willing to bet that the people opposed to trading for Gaither have never seen him play before. Here's what a knowledgeable Ravens fan had to say about the issue. I don't see how anyone can be against this.


For every Ryan Clady there are 10 Robert Gallerys. The draft has prospects. With prospects, you make a projection and hope it is realized. Even a franchise as good in the draft as the Ravens recognize that this is anything but a sure thing - ahem Mark Clayton, Travis Taylor, Kyle Boller.

Jared Gaither is a 23-year-old left tackle playing far above the league average at the position. The top OT prospect in this draft, Russell Okung, will be 23 in week four of this coming NFL season. Jared Gaither has over 20 starts against players like James Harrison, Dwight Freeney, and Mario Williams. Russell Okung has... zero.

If he ends up elsewhere, and the Ravens aren't compensated with a top ten draft pick, I'm not sure how they come out on the other side an improved ball club, especially not in 2010-11. And the idea that they would accept a second-round pick for Gaither makes me want to (barf) .

Perhaps they intend to match any offer sheet he may sign.

Maybe they are higher on the long-term potential of a guy like Indiana's Roger Saffold, who is in that late-first, early-second round discussion.

Maybe they want a top ten pick and think they'll get it, so that they can assure themselves a legitimate shot at Dez Bryant. Perhaps they'd then use their second first-rounder to acquire Donald Penn from Tampa Bay. It's the only scenario I've been able to come up with that doesn't make me sick to my stomach.

If this backfires, I'll be very disappointed, and the Ravens will be worse in 2010. Gaither gets a lot of flack for his apparent "quirkiness", but he is one hell of a talent, and he might still be five years away from his prime. And when he's played, he's produced.

Said Jonathan Ogden:

"Yeah, I do," Ogden said Tuesday when asked if he sees a lot of himself in Gaither. "I see a lot of the God-given size and athleticism that you can't coach. This is really, what, his third year now, and what did he come out of Maryland as - a sophomore? He could still be in college or a rookie this year. The guy's got plenty of room to grow. As soon as he gets the game down to where he doesn't have to think about it, that's when he could become something really special."

[Romo 2 Austin]

If you'd actually read Romo 2 Austin's post instead of just trying to come at me with name-calling and the almighty language filter, you'd know that Romo 2 Austin was talking of trading Doug Free in order to obtain Gaither.

Reading is a virtue.

Slate's cruise for spring break:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/failboat_arrival.jpg

I said i'd only do that if we had too, I would much prefer to send our 2nd round 2010 pick and Martellus Bennett for Gaither.

[SLATEmosphere]

I'm willing to bet that the people opposed to trading for Gaither have never seen him play before. Here's what a knowledgeable Ravens fan had to say about the issue. I don't see how anyone can be against this.

Owned and /thread

Make room for me on the "trade our first rounder for Gaither" bandwagon. I'm jumpin on!!!

[casmith07]

We need tackle help and will probably pick one in the round one or 2.

What's the difference if we give up a first for Gaither and drafting Campbell in the first?

Oh wait..nothing.

We're not drafting Campbell in the first.

And cute of you to jump on the bandwagon in the post above, but a resounding "he's got big potential" is no reason to claim some ridiculous "Owned and /thread" positioning.

"Big Potential" != $60M+ contract plus draft picks.

[CATCH17]

We're not drafting Campbell in the first.

And cute of you to jump on the bandwagon in the post above, but a resounding "he's got big potential" is no reason to claim some ridiculous "Owned and /thread" positioning.

"Big Potential" != $60M+ contract plus draft picks.

Its potential thats been shown on the NFL field and not the College field / Weight room.

[SLATEmosphere]

We're not drafting Campbell in the first.

And cute of you to jump on the bandwagon in the post above, but a resounding "he's got big potential" is no reason to claim some ridiculous "Owned and /thread" positioning.

"Big Potential" != $60M+ contract plus draft picks.

I'm sorry..are you still yappin?

It's cute to see you scratch and claw to stay above my logic.

[casmith07]

Its potential thats been shown on the NFL field and not the College field / Weight room.

Potential like Roy Williams' potential, for example?

I'm sorry..are you still yappin?

It's cute to see you scratch and claw to stay above my logic.

Logic? :lmao: Cute signature. Add Atari Bigby down there too - he's available. Or how about Jahri Evans - the Saints haven't signed him yet we can still get him too.

[JBell523]

Potential like Roy Williams' potential, for example?


http://i45.tinypic.com/erizwy.jpg

[M'Kevon]

LOL


Let me explain why that trade makes sense for both sides


Gaither is a top 5 tackle in the NFL and he is 24 years old! Do you really expect Free to become that good? Plus he is already 2 years older.

They need a TE, they will need a tackle to replace Gaither and a 2011 5th round pick to sweeten the deal.

Franchise LT's are hard to come by, Gaither is one.

Except Baltimore doesn't believe that - hence the less than optimum tender.

Why should Dallas???

[JBell523]

Except Baltimore doesn't believe that - hence the less than optimum tender.

Why should Dallas???
More assumptions.

Does anyone read anymore?


They simply cannot afford to pay Gaither LT money when they're paying Oher big bucks and is capable of playing the same position.

It's much cheaper for them to move Oher over to LT, and find a cheaper alternative at RT. RT's are generally easier to find because they don't require the same skillset as LT.

Rather than give Gaither big $$$ and leave Oher at RT. Get it?

[rpatricc]

JBell is spot on. Here is Brian Billick during the year talking about Oher/Gaither. He likes them both, but thinks that Oher's future is at LT and they probably cant pay both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp6YQYhnRyo

[M'Kevon]

More assumptions.

Does anyone read anymore?


They simply cannot afford to pay Gaither LT money when they're paying Oher big bucks and is capable of playing the same position.

It's much cheaper for them to move Oher over to LT, and find a cheaper alternative at RT. RT's are generally easier to find because they don't require the same skillset as LT.

Rather than give Gaither big $$$ and leave Oher at RT. Get it?

Doesn't anyone think anymore?? If, as you and others say, Gaither is the next coming, then why not pay him top RT $$$ and move him there?

Why is it so logical to believe he is good enough to play LT here, and not good enough to be paid to play RT in Baltimore?

This is an uncapped year. Baltimore could easily sign him. Last I heard, they are not having a fire sale and dumping salary.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

OMG people have to stop contemplating this. GIVE OUR 1ST FOR GAITHER AND DON'T LOOK BACK. He's a much better option then anyone at 27 and we're most likely going O line in the 1st anyway. Jeez man.

[SLATEmosphere]

More assumptions.

Does anyone read anymore?


They simply cannot afford to pay Gaither LT money when they're paying Oher big bucks and is capable of playing the same position.

It's much cheaper for them to move Oher over to LT, and find a cheaper alternative at RT. RT's are generally easier to find because they don't require the same skillset as LT.

Rather than give Gaither big $$$ and leave Oher at RT. Get it?

OMG people have to stop contemplating this. GIVE OUR 1ST FOR GAITHER AND DON'T LOOK BACK. He's a much better option then anyone at 27 and we're most likely going O line in the 1st anyway. Jeez man.

It's hard for people to grasp because they covet draft picks like it's gold.

[M'Kevon]

JBell is spot on. Here is Brian Billick during the year talking about Oher/Gaither. He likes them both, but thinks that Oher's future is at LT and they probably cant pay both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp6YQYhnRyo

So, based on Billick's response, they need to move Gaither because it's too hard to move to the right side??


Seriously????

[SLATEmosphere]

Doesn't anyone think anymore?? If, as you and others say, Gaither is the next coming, then why not pay him top RT $$$ and move him there?

Why is it so logical to believe he is good enough to play LT here, and not good enough to be paid to play RT in Baltimore?

This is an uncapped year. Baltimore could easily sign him. Last I heard, they are not having a fire sale and dumping salary.

Oh boy..Facepalm city..

Are you really that dense?

Gaither at RT? :lmao:

[Dash28]

More assumptions.

Does anyone read anymore?


They simply cannot afford to pay Gaither LT money when they're paying Oher big bucks and is capable of playing the same position.

It's much cheaper for them to move Oher over to LT, and find a cheaper alternative at RT. RT's are generally easier to find because they don't require the same skillset as LT.

Rather than give Gaither big $$$ and leave Oher at RT. Get it?
Using logic is useless with some on here.

[JBell523]

I really wish people would stop using the Mickey Spagnola mindset.

"If he's so good, why is he available?"


http://i46.tinypic.com/2rdf9c2.jpg

[M'Kevon]

Oh boy..Facepalm city..

Are you really that dense?

Gaither at RT? :lmao:

Hmmm. So moving Gaither to RT is a sin against humanity. Apparently a LT has never moved to RT in the history of the NFL.

Gotcha. :rolleyes:

[M'Kevon]

Using logic is useless with some on here.

I completely agree. :D

[Romo 2 Austin]

More assumptions.

Does anyone read anymore?


They simply cannot afford to pay Gaither LT money when they're paying Oher big bucks and is capable of playing the same position.

It's much cheaper for them to move Oher over to LT, and find a cheaper alternative at RT. RT's are generally easier to find because they don't require the same skillset as LT.

Rather than give Gaither big $$$ and leave Oher at RT. Get it?

yup..

[Silverstar]

here is some more on gaither

Jared Gaither-T- Ravens Mar. 7 - 1:10 pm et


After assigning him just a first-round tender, the Ravens are believed to be willing to move restricted free agent LT Jared Gaither.

Gaither would've gotten the first- and third-round tender if the Ravens were truly intent on keeping him. The Ravens want to move Michael Oher to left tackle. The Baltimore Sun suggests four possible destinations for Gaither: San Francisco, Indianapolis, Dallas, and Seattle. Teams targeting Gaither could probably work out a deal for less than the first-round pick.
Source: Baltimore Sun
Related: Cowboys, Colts, Seahawks, 49ers

Well, at least we're in the mix.

LT is just all too important and Gaither is already battle tested. It's not like we're giving up a HIGH 1st round pick. We're talking about the 27th pick and I'm definitely ok with that, in exchange for a young, talented and proven LT. If Jerry pulls this off, I think it'll go down as one of the best FA signings he's ever made IMO.

Is Gaither a sure thing for the next 5 or 6 years?

I say 5 or 6 years, because that's what you're gonna be paying for right now.

Personally, I gotta tell you it's hard to argue AGAINST it. He's a moutain of a man, is already one of the better LT's in the league and just 24 years old. He definitely fits our profile for an OL and he not only has good experience but has playoff experience...which to me is even more valuable. Yes, I'm feeling pretty confident about Gaither and what he brings to table. If Jerry feels the same way, then how much is that worth to your franchise?

6..7..8..9 million a year?

Adams will make around 7 million this year and he's 35 years old!

I say screw that 27th pick and bring on Gaither.

[M'Kevon]

I really wish people would stop using the Mickey Spagnola mindset.

"If he's so good, why is he available?"


http://i46.tinypic.com/2rdf9c2.jpg

No, my thought is, "is Baltimore puffing up a slightly better than average tackle in order to con another team into giving up a first rounder?"

Apparently, many here have fallen for this.

[dallasfaniac]

Doesn't anyone think anymore?? If, as you and others say, Gaither is the next coming, then why not pay him top RT $$$ and move him there?

Do you think Gaither will settle for RT pay when he has shown he is a starting LT?

[Dash28]

No, my thought is, "is Baltimore puffing up a slightly better than average tackle in order to con another team into giving up a first rounder?"

Apparently, many here have fallen for this.
No...

[M'Kevon]

Do you think Gaither will settle for RT pay when he has shown he is a starting LT?

Yes, if the apparent option is to sit on the bench behind Oher. I mean, it's impossible to move, per some.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Gaither is a starting LT, he will not play RT and make what half the money?

Oher can start either one, they would rather start Oher at LT, trade Gaither and get a RT for less money.


Simple, some people cant understand it.

[dallasfaniac]

Yes, if the apparent option is to sit on the bench behind Oher. I mean, it's impossible to move, per some.

The only reason they would move Oher to LT is if Gaither departs. Then they would still be paying their LT cheaply and find someone else to man the RT position. It's impossible for some to see that a team is willing to let a player walk (with compensation) when they have a competent player that can play their position for much less.

[dallasfaniac]

I am honestly on the fence with Gaither, because I haven't seen any tape on him and would trust Jerry and co. before anything I read online.

According to Ravens fan posts that I have read, the overwhelming opinion is that Gaither is a great player that they hope they keep but if they received a 1st, they could move Oher to LT and draft a RT later in the draft. I've read articles from the Baltimore Sun that said he was a potential pro bowl candidate and in one QA session the beat writer suggested that Gaither's return from injury was more important to the team than Ed Reed because without him in the lineup, the offensive line struggled.

I do have concerns about Gaither. First, he had that injury last year. Even though he returned, it would have to be checked out. Second, he racks up penalties on pace with Adams and doesn't have hearing as an excuse.

If he comes as advertised, I would welcome the trade no problem, I just don't have enough to go by to make a firm decision.

[big dog cowboy]

It's hard for people to grasp because they covet draft picks like it's gold.
Can you blame them? We've seen what men like D. Snyder can do with draft picks and what kind of effect they on your team.

[SLATEmosphere]

Can you blame them? We've seen what men like D. Snyder can do with draft picks and what kind of effect they on your team.

Well cmon. Look who he traded for.

I'm just asking for a 24 year old LT on the rise

and a 25 year old 2 time probowler FS.

Dan Snyder has never even sniffed those kinds of moves. They're all 30+ over the hill trash.

[Dough Boy]

Well cmon. Look who he traded for.

I'm just asking for a 24 year old LT on the rise

and a 25 year old 2 time probowler FS.

Dan Snyder has never even sniffed those kinds of moves. They're all 30+ over the hill trash.

who is the 25 yr old 2 time FS?

[casmith07]

who is the 25 yr old 2 time FS?

That is a great question.

[CATCH17]

Can you blame them? We've seen what men like D. Snyder can do with draft picks and what kind of effect they on your team.

Draft picks are like Gold but when it comes to Stud Left Tackles they are like gold too so its a even trade.


It will be a boring 1st round for us but im willing to give up my draft day drama for a franchise tackle.

[SLATEmosphere]

who is the 25 yr old 2 time FS?

Antione Bethea

[casmith07]

Antione Bethea

Alternate selection doesn't count.

[Oh_Canada]

People are a little overly obsessed with the draft.

They see draft picks as way higher in value than they really are. I'd much rather use a pick for a player that I know can play, and play now.

Gaither is a top rated tackle.

We're at the point where we need to replace Flozell Adams immediately.

I agree 100%....Gaither for a late first is a steal!

[ThreeSportStar80]

Sounds like a good idea, he's sooo young! Only 24 years old?

[SLATEmosphere]

Alternate selection doesn't count.

your right.

Mike Jenkins sucks

He was an alternate too.

[SLATEmosphere]

Ravens recieve
2011 2nd rounder
MartyB(they need a young TE to pair with Boldin)
Marc Columbo(can hold down the fort at RT for a few years)

Cowboys recieve
Jared Gaither


Let's get err done!!!

[casmith07]

Ravens recieve
2011 2nd rounder
MartyB
Marc Columbo

Cowboys recieve
Jared Gaither


Let's get err done!!!

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[M'Kevon]

Ravens recieve
2011 2nd rounder
MartyB(they need a young TE to pair with Boldin)
Marc Columbo(can hold down the fort at RT for a few years)

Cowboys recieve
Jared Gaither


Let's get err done!!!

Step right up!!! Welcome to the Great Baltimore Fire Sale!!!

Give us your unwanted, your damaged, your unappreciate goods!!!

We've got a deal for you . . . (just don't look behind the curtain)

:cool:

[Wimbo]

Kinda hard to find a draft profile on him since he was in the Supplemental draft...

JARED GAITHER SCOUTING REPORT ~ July 13, 2007
Provided by NFL Draft Report through the Baltimore Ravens
http://www.profootball24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=26&aid=1502&view=archive


Positives Has a large, thick frame with good shoulder and chest width, long wingspan, big bubble, wide waist and hips, solid calves and thighs. hows excellent leaping ability and very good initial explosiveness off the snap. Unlike most blockers with his girth, he has no problems getting down in his stance and firing off the ball, showing the lateral agility needed to execute pulls and traps. Shows the hip snap and change of direction agility to get to the edge and maintain position vs. the speedier pass rushers. Has the ability to stay low in his stance, demonstrating the nimble feet to slide back smoothly in pass protection. Natural knee bender who has a strong anchor, using his massive frame effectively to lean and push the defender off the line of scrimmage. One of the strongest players on the team (bench pressed 225 pounds 30 times), he set a school record for offensive linemen with a 36-inch vertical jump. Generates excellent power at the point of attack and is perfectly capable of handling multiple defenders, as he keeps his strong hands active and delivers a powerful thud with his hand punch to shock and jolt the opponent. Has a keen understanding for hand placement, doing a nice job of latching on or getting under his opponent's jersey without being caught by the refs (has been penalized just twice (one holding and one false start call in 24 games). Shows very good footwork and a good concept for taking angles when asked to pull for the ground game into the second level. Has the foot balance and strength to widen and maintain the rushing lanes. Plays with good quickness to slide and re-adjust to plays. Demonstrates decent body control and balance working in space, as he has the lower body flexibility to recover his anchor. Struggles in the classroom, but plays with good awareness, especially in pass protection, as he easily picks up stunts and blitzes...His quick first step allows him to consistently gain position when working in-line and his overall speed is evident by his ability to consistently get into the second level to attack and neutralize the linebackers. Quick out of his stance and keeps his hands active to combat counter moves. Explosive hip roller who gets good movement off the ball. Uses his reach well to wall off and sustain. When he fires low off the snap, he is consistent at driving the defender back and creating huge rush lanes for the ball carrier. Quick enough to pick up blocks in space and has the balance to sit well and keep his weight over his feet. The thing you see on film when blocking up field is his ability to adjust and locate secondary targets on the move (has the lateral agility to adjust and the long arms to separate and sustain). Throws his hands around with good force, as his punch will generally stop the defender's charge. Generally plays at a low pad level. Does a nice job of setting his feet and using his power to lock out in pass protection. Surprises the edge rushers with his ability to slide wide and cut them off on the back side. Has no problems adjusting to the defender's secondary moves.

Negatives During his entire career on the football field, he has only four seasons of experience. Might be a better fit at left tackle, where his quickness and ability to kick slide and neutralize the edge rushers will benefit protecting the quarterback's blind side (seemed to get a bit lazy letting his guard and tight end assist him in blocking schemes when playing on the right side). Has a long history of academic issues (more from not attending rather than a lack of intelligence) and might struggle digesting a complicated playbook. Needs to mature mentally, as he tends to get too frustrated when his initial move fails and takes long stretches off when this happens (can easily be taken off his game). Must show better dedication to his craft (will throttle down late in games-see 2006 Florida International, Virginia, Miami and Purdue games). Has good knee bend, but when he gets tired late in games, he prefers to over-extend or just lean into his man rather than maintain pad level and hand position.

Compares To MARCUS McNEILL-San Diego Much like McNeil during his final collegiate season, Gaither struggled with injuries in 2006. Along with a suspension for disciplinary issues and inconsistent play, he was eventually replaced in the lineup. But, from a purely athletic standpoint, he could have been one of the first players taken in the 2008 NFL Draft, if he had returned to school in 2007 and back to his playing form of 2005. He is a massive pass protector with great explosion off the snap, but is prone to over-extending at times, especially later in games, when stamina issues come into play. Still, he has great upside, but will need some patient coaching, as he has only four years of football experience (high school, prep school, college), making him still a work in progress. If he develops as a left tackle, some team will have their quarterback's blind-side protected for the next decade. Look for Jacksonville, Atlanta, Oakland, New York Jets, New England and New York Giants to give him serious consideration during the supplemental draft. He has the physical skills to go down as one of the better finds in this phase of the draft's history.

[Romo 2 Austin]

2008 LT sacks allowed
1. Ryan Clady, Denver, 0.5 sack
2. Michael Roos, Tennessee, 1 sack PRO BOWLER
3-T. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis, 2 sacks (Started 11 games)
3-T. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia, 2 sacks
3-T. Jared Gaither, Baltimore, 2 sacks 15 starts
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23. Flozell Adams, Dallas, 7.25

cant find 2009.

[cowboyjoe]

Ok as you know reports are that the cowboys have shown interest in Gaither big OT from the Ravens. If Cowboys can work out a trade for him say a number 1 pick or number 2 pick, would Flozell Adams bring any value in a trade.

If you remember parcells liked Flozell when he was with the Cowboys. I am thinking maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder for flozell . What do you think?

[TheSport78]

No one would trade for Flozell. His contract isn't trade worthy, he's 34 years old, he's declining and probably only has 1 or 2 years left.

[casmith07]

The Cowboys aren't signing Gaither. And if they do, I'll wear a Redskins jersey for a day.

[Yeagermeister]

No one would trade for Flozell. His contract isn't trade worthy, he's 34 years old, he's declining and probably only has 1 or 2 years left.

QFT..

If he was released he'd get signed but no one is going to trade for him

[dallasfaniac]

The Cowboys aren't signing Gaither. And if they do, I'll wear a Redskins jersey for a day.

With pictures?

[AMERICAS_FAN]

LT is a MUST-HAVE position for any team. So if Gaither is allowed to walk, you really have to wonder why his curent team is not doing everything it can to keep him. To me that would be a huge red-flag. If he's worth keeping, he's not going anywhere (like Miles Austin is not going anywhere but back to Dallas).

Personally, I'd rahter find our LT in the draft. Just TRUST the scouts. You can argue that Larry Allen was the best OL in NFL history (or right up there) and he was a second round pick. Finding these studs in the draft is doable, and with the mumber of Juniors reporting elegible this year, there are great players at every position, not just LT, to be had in the draft.

So I'll pass an any free agent that seemingly (with no guarantee) projects to be a long term starter in Dallas. I'd rahter take my chances in the deraft.

[dallasfaniac]

So if Gaither is allowed to walk, you really have to wonder why his curent team is not doing everything it can to keep him.

If you have to wonder, you haven't done your research.

[DCBoysfan]

I would rather Dallas draft Flo's replacement

[Manster54]

I watch the Ravens every week up here in BMore. He did a surprisingly good job coming in to replace a legend-Ogden. Gaither is a good player-right now better than Flozell and has the potential to get even bigger and better with experience. He has been in and out with injuries (I think to his leg(s) and/or ankle). I was initially shocked they did only the first round tender given his age.

This is CLEARLY a choice between him and Oher at left tackle. The Ravens view this as a win/win as he was a supplemental draft pick and they will get at least a 2nd rounder for him and won't have to pay for two left tackles.

Barring injury, which no one can predict, I think a first rounder would be a good trade for both teams. Even better for Dallas if they can get Gaither for a second. Adding Marty B would be too much. Marty B would be perfect for the Ravens running game and they need a second TE really bad. Marty B & 3rd sounds more like it.

[SLATEmosphere]

I watch the Ravens every week up here in BMore. He did a surprisingly good job coming in to replace a legend-Ogden. Gaither is a good player-right now better than Flozell and has the potential to get even bigger and better with experience. He has been in and out with injuries (I think to his leg(s) and/or ankle). I was initially shocked they did only the first round tender given his age.

This is CLEARLY a choice between him and Oher at left tackle. The Ravens view this as a win/win as he was a supplemental draft pick and they will get at least a 2nd rounder for him and won't have to pay for two left tackles.

Barring injury, which no one can predict, I think a first rounder would be a good trade for both teams. Even better for Dallas if they can get Gaither for a second. Adding Marty B would be too much. Marty B would be perfect for the Ravens running game and they need a second TE really bad. Marty B & 3rd sounds more like it.

Thanks for the input.

I would do Marty B and a 3rd in a heartbeat.

[stasheroo]

Ok as you know reports are that the cowboys have shown interest in Gaither big OT from the Ravens. If Cowboys can work out a trade for him say a number 1 pick or number 2 pick, would Flozell Adams bring any value in a trade.

If you remember parcells liked Flozell when he was with the Cowboys. I am thinking maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder for flozell . What do you think?

I think you're mistaking speculating for facts.

I saw a report that speculated that the Cowboys could have interest but nowhere have I seen that the team actually is interested.

[dallasfaniac]

The more I read and watch, the more I want this guy. I downloaded a couple games and liked what I saw. I read Baltimore Sun articles from throughout the season and they had good things to say about Gaither, especially when they missed him on the field.

Here's an article (http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/?p=3160) about Oher; it's apparent that everyone wants Oher on the blind side with Gaither moving to RT, except perhaps Oher who feels Gaither is the better player. I wouldn't imagine that Gaither would want to be paid like a RT either when he could get LT money.

And here's an article (http://mobile.baltimoresun.com/inf/infomo;JSESSIONID=6F9FEC1809120413B703.236?view=sp orts_item&feed:a=balt_sun_5min&feed:c=sports&feed:i=52622626&nopaging=1) explaining that the Ravens need draft picks because they have traded away several and that Oher had moved over to LT last year when Gaither was injured so his transition shouldn't be difficult if they move him.

I am officially off the fence and would love to bring in Gaither. He does appear to have a problem with work ethic and did miss time last year due to injury but didn't miss any time in 2008 so I don't think it's a trend.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

If you have to wonder, you haven't done your research.

The bottom line is that you have a deep draft at every position this year, OL ncluded. Trust your scouts, their draft board, and draft your future at LT, rahter than rely on the best you can get out of a limited class of free agents/avaialble veternas.

[Arch Stanton]

The Cowboys aren't signing Gaither. And if they do, I'll wear a Redskins jersey for a day.

I'm busy scouring twitter for a "Gaither to Cowboys" post. :)

[dcfanatic]

LT is a MUST-HAVE position for any team. So if Gaither is allowed to walk, you really have to wonder why his curent team is not doing everything it can to keep him. To me that would be a huge red-flag. If he's worth keeping, he's not going anywhere (like Miles Austin is not going anywhere but back to Dallas).

Personally, I'd rahter find our LT in the draft. Just TRUST the scouts. You can argue that Larry Allen was the best OL in NFL history (or right up there) and he was a second round pick. Finding these studs in the draft is doable, and with the mumber of Juniors reporting elegible this year, there are great players at every position, not just LT, to be had in the draft.

So I'll pass an any free agent that seemingly (with no guarantee) projects to be a long term starter in Dallas. I'd rahter take my chances in the deraft.

Because they just drafted a LT in Michael Oher.

They are in a win-win situation.

If someone comes after they can match and resign. If he leaves they move Oher to LT and go get a RT. Plus they get a 1st round pick.

[big dog cowboy]

Ok as you know reports are that the cowboys have shown interest in Gaither big OT from the Ravens.
Exactly where are these reports? I haven't read them.

Oh, and Flo's trade value? No where near a 3rd or 4th.

[dallasfaniac]

The bottom line is that you have a deep draft at every position this year, OL ncluded. Trust your scouts, their draft board, and draft your future at LT, rahter than rely on the best you can get out of a limited class of free agents/avaialble veternas.

Gaither is 23 years old and according to ProFootballFocus was 11th best OT in 2008 and 6th best OT in 2009 (even while playing through an ankle injury). He's given up 6 sacks and 24 pressures over the last 2 years while Flozell gave up 15 sacks and 63 pressures. He is a proven top 10 LT in the NFL and is practically the same age as most of the players coming out of the draft. Can you trust that the scouts can find better considering their record of drafting offensive linemen?

[Sandyf]

One other item to consider is that if the Cowboys are showing interest, it might be so that another team reacts and possibly takes him, say someone like Pittsburgh or Seattle which then would have one of the top tackles far in the draft.

Remember things are always not as they seem.

[dallasfaniac]

One other item to consider is that if the Cowboys are showing interest, it might be so that another team reacts and possibly takes him, say someone like Pittsburgh or Seattle which then would have one of the top tackles far in the draft.

Remember things are always not as they seem.

I'm assuming you mean fall instead of far.

It's also possible that the Ravens would then have 2 selections prior to the Cowboys to take an OT at a salary much less than they would have to pay Gaither if they kept him.

[CATCH17]

QFT..

If he was released he'd get signed but no one is going to trade for him

He'd be a Redskin.

[CATCH17]

I wish there was a way to pull Ryan Clady haha.

I think hes the best LT in the league.

[CATCH17]

I watch the Ravens every week up here in BMore. He did a surprisingly good job coming in to replace a legend-Ogden. Gaither is a good player-right now better than Flozell and has the potential to get even bigger and better with experience. He has been in and out with injuries (I think to his leg(s) and/or ankle). I was initially shocked they did only the first round tender given his age.

This is CLEARLY a choice between him and Oher at left tackle. The Ravens view this as a win/win as he was a supplemental draft pick and they will get at least a 2nd rounder for him and won't have to pay for two left tackles.

Barring injury, which no one can predict, I think a first rounder would be a good trade for both teams. Even better for Dallas if they can get Gaither for a second. Adding Marty B would be too much. Marty B would be perfect for the Ravens running game and they need a second TE really bad. Marty B & 3rd sounds more like it.

When I watch Ravens games he actually stood out to me and on very rare occasions does a linemen just pop out like that.

Anything that is considered any type of weakness with this guy just deals with immaturity or inexperience.

You get Gaither than your more than set at Left Tackle.

How lucky is Baltimore to of replaced Ogden like that?

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have yet to find anything other than reporter speculation of Dallas might be a team that would be interested or might fit for Gaither.

In other words there seems to be no indication at all that Dallas is interested in him at this point.

Now I know some don't care about that and are only talking about if they would trade for him and if so what they would give up. I just wanted to clarify that there has been no indication that the cowboys are actually interested in him.

[casmith07]

With pictures?

With pictures.

[CATCH17]

I would rather Dallas draft Flo's replacement

Me too but barring a miracle it wont happen so you take the 23 year old (Gaither) with experience and can play at a high level.


The beauty of this is you get much younger at that position and you get to drop one of your worst contracts. (Flo)

Whether its being reported or not Cowboys officials are definetely considering this and if they aren't then they aren't doing their job.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Gaither is 23 years old and according to ProFootballFocus was 11th best OT in 2008 and 6th best OT in 2009 (even while playing through an ankle injury). He's given up 6 sacks and 24 pressures over the last 2 years while Flozell gave up 15 sacks and 63 pressures. He is a proven top 10 LT in the NFL and is practically the same age as most of the players coming out of the draft. Can you trust that the scouts can find better considering their record of drafting offensive linemen?

Yes, I can trust the scouts becuase they're capable, and not the ones making the final draft selections. In fact many of the bust-OLinemen that Dallas (i.e. Parcells) took were drafted despite what the scouts recommended alternatively. And I'll surely trust the scouts before any so called expert or insider on this board - that's for sure. But hey, thanks for asking!

[dallasfaniac]

So you trust that they can find an OT better than the 6th best OT in the NFL according to ProFootballFocus? What has brought you to this conclusion? Doug Free?

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Because they just drafted a LT in Michael Oher.

They are in a win-win situation.

If someone comes after they can match and resign. If he leaves they move Oher to LT and go get a RT. Plus they get a 1st round pick.

DC, scenarios don't play football games; players do. At some point they have to decide who they want to play at LT. If the scenario of losing their LT and replacing him with Oher is acceptable, then it's because they view him as no better in terms of impacting the bottom line of winning.

So in that case, why can't Dallas just go draft an OT of their own, or keep the pick and draft another position if it proves to land a beter player at another position? At least that way Dallas can maximize its ability to impact its bottom line.

In the end, Dallas is not in such a desperate need for a LT to justify talk about giving up a high draft pick to land a free agernt. So forgive me if I fail to see the relvnace of this thread.

[CATCH17]

DC, scenarios don't play football games; players do. At some point they have to decide who they want to play at LT. If the scenario of losing their LT and replacing him with Oher is acceptable, then it's because they view him as no better. So in that case, why can't Dallas just go draft an OT of their own, or keep the pick and draft another position if it proves to land a beter player at another position? Dallas is not is such a desperate need for a LT to be talking about giving up a high draft pick to land a free agernt. So forgive me if I fail to see the relvnace of this thread.

Yeah we pretty much are.

And the fact that the year is uncapped and we can dump a bad contract like Flo's just makes it more of a no brainer.


This is a position we should not play around with. Its dang near as important as QB and even the QB's health depends on it.


The only way @ 27 that we could touch a guy of this caliber is if we draft Bruce Campbell and he develops into a good player but thats a BIIIIG if.

We may have to also start looking at the option of having Martellus put on the weight and moving him to Left Tackle.

It is crucial that we get a legit prospect at that position within the next 2 years.

[dcfanatic]

We may have to also start looking at the option of having Martellus put on the weight and moving him to Left Tackle.



LOL.

He just came out last night and talked about the offense needing to do some thing differently to accommodate him and get him more involved so he can fulfill his potential.

You think he's up for this idea that he add some weight to play Tackle?

:lmao2:

[dallasfaniac]

LOL.

He just came out last night and talked about the offense needing to do some thing differently to accomodate him and get him more involved so he can fulfill his potential.

You think he's up for this idea that he add some weight to play Tackle?

:lmao2:

Can he fulfill his potential by carrying a 2nd rounder with him to Baltimore so Cam Cameron gets his Gates-like TE and we get bookend tackles for years?

Edit: Going to lunch, fully expect news confirming Cowboy's interest when I get back :p:

[dcfanatic]

DC, scenarios don't play football games; players do. At some point they have to decide who they want to play at LT. If the scenario of losing their LT and replacing him with Oher is acceptable, then it's because they view him as no better in terms of impacting the bottom line of winning.

So in that case, why can't Dallas just go draft an OT of their own, or keep the pick and draft another position if it proves to land a beter player at another position? At least that way Dallas can maximize its ability to impact its bottom line.

In the end, Dallas is not in such a desperate need for a LT to justify talk about giving up a high draft pick to land a free agernt. So forgive me if I fail to see the relvnace of this thread.

I agree both teams have a lot of moving parts here.

Just depends on whether the Cowboys think Gaither is just as good already as the possible Tackle they would find in round one.

The Ravens have to decide on Oher being their future Left Tackle just as the Cowboys have to decide if Free is the future Left Tackle. The only difference is the Ravens could add a 1st round pick if the Cowboys help them make their decision.

Flo doesn't have any trade value. Any team that wants him would want to take him on with their own structured contract. It would not be more than a two year deal which is really just a year to year thing with a guy like him.

[gmoney112]

After researching, I want Gaither. I also want to keep our first round pick. I read an article that Balt would be willing to part with him for less than a 1st rounder, but it'd probably have to be a decent package deal. If we could manage to drop a 2nd + MartyB or somethin similar, I think you take that deal all day. Gaither/Iupati in the first would just be nasty, and then later we could make a move for Atogwe. We'd still have 3, 4, 6, 7 round picks to draft some developmental players, which is just fine imo.

[Ren]

No, no one would be willing to part with anything when it means picking up his contract

[NeonDeion21]

I agree both teams have a lot of moving parts here.

Just depends on whether the Cowboys think Gaither is just as good already as the possible Tackle they would find in round one.

The Ravens have to decide on Oher being their future Left Tackle just as the Cowboys have to decide if Free is the future Left Tackle. The only difference is the Ravens could add a 1st round pick if the Cowboys help them make their decision.

Flo doesn't have any trade value. Any team that wants him would want to take him on with their own structured contract. It would not be more than a two year deal which is really just a year to year thing with a guy like him.

The Ravens also have another young tackle in Oniel Cousins who they really seem to like. He started 4 games at the end of the season as a RT and other than one bad game against Pitt, he played fairly well. As you mentioned before DC, they are in a win-win situation and they are in desperate need to add play-makers to their offense and get younger on their aging defense.

[stasheroo]

The Ravens also have another young tackle in Oniel Cousins who they really seem to like. He started 4 games at the end of the season as a RT and other than one bad game against Pitt, he played fairly well. As you mentioned before DC, they are in a win-win situation and they are in desperate need to add play-makers to their offense and get younger on their aging defense.

The most frustrating part?

The Cowboys could have had either Gaither (in the supplemental draft) or Oher (had they not made the Roy Williams trade).

I really like the thought of Marty B and a 2nd rounder for Gaither but that depends on what the league thinks of Dallas' #2 TE.

[Texan_Eph89]

Gaither is 23 years old and according to ProFootballFocus was 11th best OT in 2008 and 6th best OT in 2009 (even while playing through an ankle injury). He's given up 6 sacks and 24 pressures over the last 2 years while Flozell gave up 15 sacks and 63 pressures. He is a proven top 10 LT in the NFL and is practically the same age as most of the players coming out of the draft. Can you trust that the scouts can find better considering their record of drafting offensive linemen?
:bow:
I feel you completely.
People don't realize that there's no red flag, it's a contract casualty/they have another LT there.

[EPL0c0]

IF... no. keep him for DEPTH. quality depth is a GOOD thing

[JustDezIt]

With pictures?


I have a Sean Tyalor jersey that you could borrow.:eek:

when he passed away a buddy who is a skins fan bought it for me and i wore it once out of respect for him.

hahha i always wondered if i was one of the only ones around here who owns a piece of thier parapherneila

[Texan_Eph89]

DC, scenarios don't play football games; players do. At some point they have to decide who they want to play at LT. If the scenario of losing their LT and replacing him with Oher is acceptable, then it's because they view him as no better in terms of impacting the bottom line of winning.

So in that case, why can't Dallas just go draft an OT of their own, or keep the pick and draft another position if it proves to land a beter player at another position? At least that way Dallas can maximize its ability to impact its bottom line.

In the end, Dallas is not in such a desperate need for a LT to justify talk about giving up a high draft pick to land a free agernt. So forgive me if I fail to see the relvnace of this thread.
The 27th pick is going towards "drafting" Gaither....
Well, essentially.
What other LT are we taking in the bottom of the 1st that is top 10 NFL this year?
Gaither would come start from day 1 and anchor that side of the line for years to come. He's 23.

[jobberone]

I agree with some that obtaining Gaither would be better than drafting an OT. And it's very likely one OT or Iupati will be there at 27.

There is the contract to worry about with Gaither. I think the FO is a little nervous about what's in store cap wise and even if there will be a season to play ball next year. So I think they are being very cautious about long term contracts especially one sure to have a lot of guaranteed money in it.

The FO has to sell the player to play here and hope the contract is not too big but big enough to get past Baltimore.

[SLATEmosphere]

I have yet to find anything other than reporter speculation of Dallas might be a team that would be interested or might fit for Gaither.

In other words there seems to be no indication at all that Dallas is interested in him at this point.

Now I know some don't care about that and are only talking about if they would trade for him and if so what they would give up. I just wanted to clarify that there has been no indication that the cowboys are actually interested in him.

buzzkill!

[Dash28]

I have yet to find anything other than reporter speculation of Dallas might be a team that would be interested or might fit for Gaither.

In other words there seems to be no indication at all that Dallas is interested in him at this point.

Now I know some don't care about that and are only talking about if they would trade for him and if so what they would give up. I just wanted to clarify that there has been no indication that the cowboys are actually interested in him.
Let us keep our hope up man! :)

[Manster54]

When I watch Ravens games he actually stood out to me and on very rare occasions does a linemen just pop out like that.

Anything that is considered any type of weakness with this guy just deals with immaturity or inexperience.

You get Gaither than your more than set at Left Tackle.

How lucky is Baltimore to of replaced Ogden like that?


I agree. Baltimore has a very nice track record in drafting OL, which has been a Dallas weakness. They did not expect him to step in that early for Ogden-he was drafted as a project and exceeded their expectations. THEN, Oher came in and is just the man.

To me, OHER is the one that stands out on Baltimore's line. Dude reminds me of Larry Allen in his prime. VERY powerful but good feet. And NASTY. What a luxury to draft Oher making Gaither expendable? Just sick.

[Manster54]

The Ravens also have another young tackle in Oniel Cousins who they really seem to like. He started 4 games at the end of the season as a RT and other than one bad game against Pitt, he played fairly well. As you mentioned before DC, they are in a win-win situation and they are in desperate need to add play-makers to their offense and get younger on their aging defense.

I would be shocked if Cousins ends up the Ravens right tackle. He had a VERY hard time with speed guys and just overall blitz recognition. And yes, dude looked like a MATADOR against the Stealers.

To the actual point of this thread, I cannot imagine anyone would trade for FLO. They would just wait for him to be released. It would be a heck of a luxury for Dallas to add Gaither and keep Flo, but if it would happen, an uncapped year would be the year to do it.

[grogan6314]

Sign Atogwe at safety. Cut Hamlin. Trade a 2nd and Bennett for Gaither. Pick Iupati with the 27th pick. And cut Flozell. I also wouldn't mind signing a veteral kicker like Hansen from Detroit.

[jrumann59]

why is everyone so enamored with Gaither, the ravens want anyone to take him as a left because otherwise he is going to be moved to the right side here in baltimore. Now if you are saying yeah get gaither to be Columbos competition OK but the ravens just want a cohesive locker room when they bench him favor of Oher.

[DBOY3141]

because Gaither is 24 has started at LT for the Ravens for the last two years and in that time has been twice as good as Flozell.

We will not get a LT at #27 as good as Gaither. Lupiti(sp) will not be an NFL LT.

Free has not proven he can play LT. Gaither has.

Wishlist
#27 - Draft Pounchy
Trade 2nd for Gaither

O-line in 2011:

LT - Gaither
LG - Brewster
C- Pouncy
RG - Davis
RT - Free

all starters are under 27 except Davis and we can pick a guard in the 2011 draft to replace him in 2012.

[jrumann59]

But very average that is why everyon wants him out as the left tackle. Bringing him in as LT is probably as effective as putting Bigg out there. He might do OK but he is going to get your QB killed.

[eightysiX]

someone was saying earlier he has only given up something like 7 sacks in the past 2 years, thats hardly getting the qb killed.

[catch28]

because Gaither is 24 has started at LT for the Ravens for the last two years and in that time has been twice as good as Flozell.

We will not get a LT at #27 as good as Gaither. Lupiti(sp) will not be an NFL LT.

Free has not proven he can play LT. Gaither has.

Wishlist
#27 - Draft Pounchy
Trade 2nd for Gaither

O-line in 2011:

LT - Gaither
LG - Brewster
C- Pouncy
RG - Davis
RT - Free

all starters are under 27 except Davis and we can pick a guard in the 2011 draft to replace him in 2012.

So basically you want a totally different line in 2011? You do realize OL HAS to have some continuity(sp). Our center hs as least 3 good years left and Columbo still has a lot of miles on him because of injuries early in career. Adams and Kosier r in there last year in Dallas but the other 3 starters can still play!

[catch28]

This really needs to stop. Flozell is going to be the LT next year period! Jerry and Wade will draft a LT in the first 3rds! They liked what they saw out of Free and Flo had a better season than most Lt in the league. I understand that Gaither is a good young LT but Jerry is not going to play it that way this offseason.

[BAT]

Bennett and a 3rd is very tempting. But why not use that 3rd and take a similar physical specimen like Jared Veldheer. Except Veldheer has a ton more in terms of intangibles and may be an even better athlete.

AND the Cowboys would be able to keep Bennett too.

[Cover 2]

Bennett and a 3rd is very tempting. But why not use that 3rd and take a similar physical specimen like Jared Veldheer. Except Veldheer has a ton more in terms of intangibles and may be an even better athlete.

AND the Cowboys would be able to keep Bennett too.
I'd honestly feel lucky if Veldheer fell to our 2nd round pick. I bet most teams have him rated higher than the draftnicks. If we got him in the 2nd and ET in the 1st though, I would feel a euphoria that nothing else could match (I'm keeping this PG so I won't mention what).

[k19]

I'm on the fence on this one to be honest. I have 3 or 4 different thoughts. 1) If we had 2 firsts Id definitely say go after him.
2) If he's a better player than what we'd get from the draft then yes. After all he's young, he's not too much older than whats available in the draft and has experience.
3) theyre saying its the deepest draft in years at most every position and a rookies alot cheaper
4) we already have players who deserve new deals and signing him would take away from that. IF they ever solve the labor issues the cap will more than likely be back and I'd hate to see us try and fit under it.

If you look at the teams that have taken fliers on RFA's its usually teams that have multiple pics in the round thge RFA is tendered. Look at Seattle and Marshall. If they only tendered him at a first it sounds like theyre more than willing to let him walk

[CowboyMike]

While I'd love to have him, I think Jerry has made it pretty clear that he wants to draft some lineman rather than fill our needs through free agency. He kicked himself for having to sign Bigg Davis and kicked himself again for having to re-sign Flozell. He would have preferred to have had someone waiting in the wings instead, so I think he's going to stick to that.

[burmafrd]

Personally I would look at it this way: can Gaither be as good as the Hotel was at his best? If so grab him. If not pass.

[thor_01]

Using our 2011 picks, as noone knows how that is gonna go anyway, and go get Gaither and Bethea, then taking our #2 this year and Bennett and making a swap for Marshall, then sit back if they want to and draft whatever they think there is a hole for, somehow that makes more sense to me than sitting on ones thumb and rotating to see if any thing is left when it all unfolds..........

[CATCH17]

I just hope we dont draft an Olinemen in the 1st round and pass on Gaither.

If you're keeping the pick than it needs to be for another position because you aren't going to get a linemen that touches Gaither at that spot.

[LandryFan]

Using our 2011 picks, as noone knows how that is gonna go anyway, and go get Gaither and Bethea, then taking our #2 this year and Bennett and making a swap for Marshall, then sit back if they want to and draft whatever they think there is a hole for, somehow that makes more sense to me than sitting on ones thumb and rotating to see if any thing is left when it all unfolds..........
No way Dallas gets both Gaither and Bethea while using a 2nd for Marshall. Gaither and Bethea both have first round tenders, and Dallas only has one first round pick. It is possible (not likely, but possible) that Dallas could negotiate one of the first rounders down to a second, but then that throws your Marshall deal out the window. Personally, I wouldn't want Marshall on the team at any price. However, I am a proponent of using a low first rounder for a young proven commodity.

[Alexander]

I just hope we dont draft an Olinemen in the 1st round and pass on Gaither.

If you're keeping the pick than it needs to be for another position because you aren't going to get a linemen that touches Gaither at that spot.

I think we are overvalueing Gaither quite a bit, especially as a left tackle. The Ravens thought so much of him they went ahead and took Oher last year and it was not to play right tackle. It was to prepare for this right now. If they keep Gaither at right tackle money, he stays. But with the tender they placed on him (like we did with Spears), they would not be devastated if he were to leave. They have options. If they did not, they would not have taken the risk.

They have no intention of leaving him at left tackle as they have a better player. I am not convinced he is hands down better than some we will have to choose from at pick 27--should we actually want a tackle that high.

[CATCH17]

No way Dallas gets both Gaither and Bethea while using a 2nd for Marshall. Gaither and Bethea both have first round tenders, and Dallas only has one first round pick. It is possible (not likely, but possible) that Dallas could negotiate one of the first rounders down to a second, but then that throws your Marshall deal out the window. Personally, I wouldn't want Marshall on the team at any price. However, I am a proponent of using a low first rounder for a young proven commodity.

I agree and if you wanted a receiver than you should've gone after Boldin and dumped Roys contract.

Marshall is to much of a TO Wannabe.

[CATCH17]

I think we are overvalueing Gaither quite a bit, especially as a left tackle. The Ravens thought so much of him they went ahead and took Oher last year and it was not to play right tackle. It was to prepare for this right now. If they keep Gaither at right tackle money, he stays. But with the tender they placed on him (like we did with Spears), they would not be devastated if he were to leave. They have options. If they did not, they would not have taken the risk.

They have no intention of leaving him at left tackle as they have a better player. I am not convinced he is hands down better than some we will have to choose from at pick 27--should we actually want a tackle that high.

If Gaither had a movie than he would be staying and Oher would be out the door IMO.

Gaither can play and play at a high level. I dont think he is overvalued at all. He is a franchise tackle.


And the main reason Baltimore has to let him walk is they cant afford him because of some of the big contracts they have coming up.

Its a position of riches for them.

[Alexander]

If Gaither had a movie than he would be staying and Oher would be out the door IMO.

I hope this is a joke and not a serious evaluation.

Gaither can play and play at a high level. I dont think he is overvalued at all. He is a franchise tackle.

Then there would be absolutely no reason to A) move him to make way for Oher or B) Take the chance at losing him to a team willing to give up the draft choice. He has durability and work ethic issues from what I have read. So that is a "franchise tackle"? Hardly.

IMO, he's a shade above Bushrod.

And the main reason Baltimore has to let him walk is they cant afford him because of some of the big contracts they have coming up.

Its a position of riches for them.

I do not agree. I believe it is motivated as much by their lack of faith in him at left tackle as anything else. Oher has only cleared a year of his rookie deal, which is reasonable. They are concerned about Gaither's contract demands, he is part of the "big contracts" you state are forth-coming.

In other words, they do not want to pay who will be their right tackle, left tackle money. Right now, he is cheap. He probably won't be in the future playing a less valuable position.

[CATCH17]

While I'd love to have him, I think Jerry has made it pretty clear that he wants to draft some lineman rather than fill our needs through free agency. He kicked himself for having to sign Bigg Davis and kicked himself again for having to re-sign Flozell. He would have preferred to have had someone waiting in the wings instead, so I think he's going to stick to that.

He had to sign Leonard because of all of the misses we had in the draft.

We've had a lot of misses at tackle too. Free looks to be a player but not a player i'd risk my season on as a Left Tackle.

I think its a must to get rid of Flo and Hamlin this offseason. Its a get by free card since the year is uncapped and we can just say goodbye to those contracts.

I don't see Flo as a Cowboy next year unless Dallas makes the mistake of not getting a future player at that position or thinking they can bargain shop in the late rounds.

[CowboysFaninDC]

Bennet and a 3rd rouner for Gaither of the ravens. They need draft picks to recoup what they traded for Boldin. They need a TE to replace the aging, always injured Heap. They are also trying to get rid of gaither since they have Oher slated for the LT spot. it would give us the LT we seek, still have our 1st and 2nd. ravens get the TE they seek, who is talented and pass catching ability, and a 3rd rounder they lost.

[Hostile]

I think we are overvalueing Gaither quite a bit, especially as a left tackle. The Ravens thought so much of him they went ahead and took Oher last year and it was not to play right tackle. It was to prepare for this right now. If they keep Gaither at right tackle money, he stays. But with the tender they placed on him (like we did with Spears), they would not be devastated if he were to leave. They have options. If they did not, they would not have taken the risk.

They have no intention of leaving him at left tackle as they have a better player. I am not convinced he is hands down better than some we will have to choose from at pick 27--should we actually want a tackle that high.No kidding. Holy cow the guy is not the 2nd coming of Walter Jones or Jonathon Ogden. People here are acting like he is better than any round 1 option.

I'd rather get Iupati.

[Hostile]

Oh good, another Gaither thread. We needed one badly.

[CATCH17]

I hope this is a joke and not a serious evaluation.



Then there would be absolutely no reason to A) move him to make way for Oher or B) Take the chance at losing him to a team willing to give up the draft choice. He has durability and work ethic issues from what I have read. So that is a "franchise tackle"? Hardly.

IMO, he's a shade above Bushrod.



I do not agree. I believe it is motivated as much by their lack of faith in him at left tackle as anything else. Oher has only cleared a year of his rookie deal, which is reasonable. They are concerned about Gaither's contract demands, he is part of the "big contracts" you state are forth-coming.

In other words, they do not want to pay who will be their right tackle, left tackle money. Right now, he is cheap. He probably won't be in the future playing a less valuable position.

He may be a little immature but he shows up on the field and plays at a high level.

He's given up 6 sacks and 24 pressures over the last 2 years while Flozell gave up 15 sacks and 63 pressures.

The AFC North is no joke either.

For a guy who has shown he can play at a high level so early in his career I think this is a no brainer. Especially when you compare him to the Olinemen we would have a shot at.



Iupati? We're talking about a guy that MIGHT be able to play tackle.

[visionary]

Bennet and a 3rd rouner for Gaither of the ravens. They need draft picks to recoup what they traded for Boldin. They need a TE to replace the aging, always injured Heap. They are also trying to get rid of gaither since they have Oher slated for the LT spot. it would give us the LT we seek, still have our 1st and 2nd. ravens get the TE they seek, who is talented and pass catching ability, and a 3rd rounder they lost.

done

is this one of thsoe threads hostile used to make where you answer a question and ask another?

in that case:

now, how about ed reed for keith hamlin ?

[CATCH17]

I hate to give up Bennett. I know everyone hates the guy right now and regardless of how terrible he was as a receiving threat he was probably our best blocking TE.

The guy is just a quality blocker. It doesn't get much better than Martellus and IMO what puts this offense over the top is giving Romo an extra half second to throw.

If I had to I would make the trade because LT is almost as important as QB but I would like to keep Martellus.

If you can't get to Romo than you can't stop the Cowboys.

[Silverstar]

He had to sign Leonard because of all of the misses we had in the draft.

We've had a lot of misses at tackle too. Free looks to be a player but not a player i'd risk my season on as a Left Tackle.

I think its a must to get rid of Flo and Hamlin this offseason. Its a get by free card since the year is uncapped and we can just say goodbye to those contracts.

I don't see Flo as a Cowboy next year unless Dallas makes the mistake of not getting a future player at that position or thinking they can bargain shop in the late rounds.

I feel the same way about Free.

He looked good at RT though and I think that's where he ends up.

Right now, I think he's an excellent swing tackle.

[Alexander]

Iupati? We're talking about a guy that MIGHT be able to play tackle.
We are also talking about a player who could be our starting left guard and possibly a very good one if we do not hang onto Kosier after 2010.

The choice does not necessarily have to be a left tackle. People seem to have this stuck in their minds, but it is not like we have no other options. Free could be in the plans and Colombo is apparently going to be around for several years.

[Alexander]

Bennet and a 3rd rouner for Gaither of the ravens.

Ozzie Newsome would clap with his feet too if this was offered.

[CATCH17]

We are also talking about a player who could be our starting left guard and possibly a very good one if we do not hang onto Kosier after 2010.

The choice does not necessarily have to be a left tackle. People seem to have this stuck in their minds, but it is not like we have no other options. Free could be in the plans and Colombo is apparently going to be around for several years.

Colombo should be around for several years.

And I too believe Iupati would replace Kosier and Kosier would then backup most likely 3 positions and Procter would be gone.

BUT.

The uncapped year is the time to get rid of Flos contract. If we want to help ourselves out down the road then now is the time to tell Flo and Hamlin goodbye.

But I do think we have to find ourselves a Left Tackle prospect this year and as much as I like Free I just dont think he has the strength to handle guys at that RE/ROLB spot.

Also where does Brewster fit into the future LG spot?

If I have to pick between Iupati or Gaither its a no brainer for me in Gaithers favor.


I just hope we find a way to get him and not give up this years 1st.

[Hostile]

He may be a little immature but he shows up on the field and plays at a high level.

He's given up 6 sacks and 24 pressures over the last 2 years while Flozell gave up 15 sacks and 63 pressures.

The AFC North is no joke either.

For a guy who has shown he can play at a high level so early in his career I think this is a no brainer. Especially when you compare him to the Olinemen we would have a shot at.



Iupati? We're talking about a guy that MIGHT be able to play tackle.No, I am talking about him at Guard. I think he can be a multi-time Pro Bowl Guard.

[Alexander]

Also where does Brewster fit into the future LG spot?

I think he figures more at right tackle than he does at left guard.

If I have to pick between Iupati or Gaither its a no brainer for me in Gaithers favor.

It is not that simple for me. It is not an either/or proposition as I do not feel comfortable giving up a first round choice for a player like Gaither with an reputation for durability and maturity issues. Perhaps I am overrating Iupati, but I think he has the makings of a high level guard.

It is irrelevant anyways as I do not believe Iupati lasts until our choice. It then comes down to whether or not I think Gaither is better than the likes of Trent Williams (no), Vladmir Ducasse (yes), Charles Brown (perhaps), Jason Veldheer (yes) and Rodger Saffold (perhaps). Okung, Davis, Bulaga and Campbell will all probably be gone before our choice.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we get Gaither that is ok...But people are really only setting themselves up to be disappointed and are already acting like spoiled children at a candy store throwing a fit all while there has been no indication that we are interested at all in him.

If you want to set yourself up for disappointment go for it but just don't act shocked if we don't trade draft picks for a player the Ravens did not see as their future left tackle so they drafted someone to replace him instead.

Now if the players the cowboys like are not there when they are on the clock, or if they don't want to trade down...maybe at that time they can trade baltimore the pick for him if he is still out there.

Right now I would rather Jerry and crew be patient instead of jumping the gun.

[Silverstar]

No kidding. Holy cow the guy is not the 2nd coming of Walter Jones or Jonathon Ogden. People here are acting like he is better than any round 1 option.

I'd rather get Iupati.

Do you think he can play LT?

[Hostile]

Colombo should be around for several years.

And I too believe Iupati would replace Kosier and Kosier would then backup most likely 3 positions and Procter would be gone.

BUT.

The uncapped year is the time to get rid of Flos contract. If we want to help ourselves out down the road then now is the time to tell Flo and Hamlin goodbye.

But I do think we have to find ourselves a Left Tackle prospect this year and as much as I like Free I just dont think he has the strength to handle guys at that RE/ROLB spot.

Also where does Brewster fit into the future LG spot?

If I have to pick between Iupati or Gaither its a no brainer for me in Gaithers favor.


I just hope we find a way to get him and not give up this years 1st.Gaither is a JAG who has started all of 17 games in his NFL career. Iupati could be a Pro Bowl or All Pro caliber OG.

You're out of your mind.

[Silverstar]

Gaither is a JAG who has started all of 17 games in his NFL career. Iupati could be a Pro Bowl or All Pro caliber OG.

You're out of your mind.

That's Bruce Campbell you're thinking of Hos...Gaither has started 28 games.

[Hostile]

Do you think he can play LT?No, and I wouldn't want him to. Free can play LT. I want a LG and Iupati, Ducasse, Pouncey, and Johnson, in that order, are the guys I would prefer. I'd settle for a Jerry or Newhouse later in the Draft, but if I can get Iupati, then I jump all over it.

Gaither has done nothing special and there is not a shred of evidence he will be special. He was a 5th round Supplemental Draft choice and people act like he is Jonathon Ogden. It's ludicrous. He's not that good. He's not even close. I doubt he ever even sniffs a Pro Bowl.

Iupati on the other hand could end up every bit as good as BIGG. I will take that over Gaither any day.

[Hostile]

That's Bruce Campbell you're thinking of Hos...Gaither has started 28 games.No, I'm not thinking Campbell. He is a Draft pick.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaitJa20.htm

I looked at that to get 17 starts. if 2009 is an error I am unaware of it. I know he had a head injury last year, and I assumed it meant he didn't play.

[CATCH17]

That's Bruce Campbell you're thinking of Hos...Gaither has started 28 games.

And has very un-jaglike stats for being a jag.

[Alexander]

No, I'm not thinking Campbell. He is a Draft pick.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaitJa20.htm

I looked at that to get 17 starts. if 2009 is an error I am unaware of it. I know he had a head injury last year, and I assumed it meant he didn't play.
He has more than 17 starts.

2007 - 2 starts
2008 - 15 starts
2009 - 11 starts

http://www.nfl.com/players/jaredgaither/careerstats?id=GAI786653

[Alexander]

And has very un-jaglike stats for being a jag.

It is also a very unfranchise-like number for being a "franchise tackle".

[BrAinPaiNt]

So is he or is he not a franchise JAG? :p:

[Hostile]

He has more than 17 starts.

2007 - 2 starts
2008 - 15 starts
2009 - 11 starts

http://www.nfl.com/players/jaredgaither/careerstats?id=GAI786653It was an honest error.

[casmith07]

Dumb thread. The pool of unrestricted free agents is going to be much better next year.

[Silverstar]

No, and I wouldn't want him to. Free can play LT. I want a LG and Iupati, Ducasse, Pouncey, and Johnson, in that order, are the guys I would prefer. I'd settle for a Jerry or Newhouse later in the Draft, but if I can get Iupati, then I jump all over it.

Gaither has done nothing special and there is not a shred of evidence he will be special. He was a 5th round Supplemental Draft choice and people act like he is Jonathon Ogden. It's ludicrous. He's not that good. He's not even close. I doubt he ever even sniffs a Pro Bowl.

Iupati on the other hand could end up every bit as good as BIGG. I will take that over Gaither any day.

I'm not as confident with Free at LT as I am with Gaither.

Gaither is already battle tested, while Free looked overwhelmed against the Vikes.

[Hostile]

It is also a very unfranchise-like number for being a "franchise tackle".I would keep Flozell over trading a 1st or 2nd for Gaither. I would start Free over doing that.

I just don't get the desperate need to acquire Jared Gaither. It borders on obsession. 3 freaking threads about a guy there isn't a shred of evidence we have had any interest in.

It's maddening.

[casmith07]

While I'd love to have him, I think Jerry has made it pretty clear that he wants to draft some lineman rather than fill our needs through free agency. He kicked himself for having to sign Bigg Davis and kicked himself again for having to re-sign Flozell. He would have preferred to have had someone waiting in the wings instead, so I think he's going to stick to that.

Great observations.

[Coakleys Dad]

Oh good, another Gaither thread. We needed one badly.

that was awesome.

[Hostile]

I'm not as confident with Free at LT as I am with Gaither.

Gaither is already battle tested, while Free looked overwhelmed against the Vikes.Of course he looked overwhelmed. He had spent 6 games and 7 weeks doing work as a RT. On top of that he came into the game to face one of the best pure pass rushers in the NFL. When he filled in earlier in the year for Flo he did not look overwhelmed.

I swear it is mind boggling how obvious that is.