Kemoeatu To The Redskins Per Schefter

[Alexander]

Filed to ESPN: Former Panthers DT Maake Kemoeatu signed a two-year, $7 million deal with the Redskins. 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10278842063)via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

[DCBoysfan]

If he is heathly he is a good player, but he had a bad injury.

[SkinsHokieFan]

If he is heathly he is a good player, but he had a bad injury.

He must have checked out pretty good in the physical to get a 2 year deal.

Not a bad signing for switching to the 3-4

[SkinsHokieFan]

RickMaese

Because of injury, Im told Kemoeatu has contract w/ lot of workout, roster bonuses included up-front. Prob wont be ready until training camp less than a minute ago via web

@Russellmania09: The #Redskins gave some upfront money to Ma'ake Kemoeatu to make it a quick sign. A large % of the deal is salary based, so not guaranteed.

@Russellmania09: I was told by #NFL source that long meetings with Shanny, Haslett and J. Burney and the scheme + faith made it a 'perfect fit' #Redskins

@Russellmania09: New #Redskins NT Ma'ake Kemoeatu will be ready to go by Camp no doubt, may be ready by last minicamp. Classic 2-gap clogging nose tackle

@Russellmania09: Also, as I have said all along - will push Albert Haynesworth to the DE (5-Tech) spot in the 3-4. He was only playing NT if no other choice

[HoleInTheRoof]

Haynesworth to DE?

Really?

[Sonny#9]

Haynesworth to DE?

Really?

Yes -- a 330 lb DE, with Orakpo rushing? This is one move I am nearing giddy-level over. We'll see how well it works, but I do like the potential.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Haynesworth to DE?

Really?

In a 3-4 scheme it could work real well.

I doubt its an everydown move, I am sure there will be quite the variety, but it is certainly an option

[HoleInTheRoof]

I'm not suggesting it wont. But like us with Ratliff, why move a Pro-Bowl/All-Pro DT to defensive end, when there is no guarantee it might work?

[Woods]

he's probably a depth signing

[cowboyjoe]

Filed to ESPN: Former Panthers DT Maake Kemoeatu signed a two-year, $7 million deal with the Redskins. 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10278842063)via UberTwitter (http://ubertwitter.com/)

Maake Kemoeatu-DL- Redskins Mar. 10 - 11:44 am et


Redskins signed NT Maake Kemoeatu to a two-year, $7 million contract.

Kemoeatu is coming off a dicey Achilles' tear that required two separate surgeries, so this is a risky signing. But if healthy, Kemoeatu could play nose tackle and allow Albert Haynesworth to focus on his more natural end spot in the Redskins' new 3-4 scheme. Kemoeatu remains a big question mark for Week 1, so the Skins shouldn't be counting on him to start.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Related: Panthers

[peplaw06]

The Skins are moving to a 3-4???








:lmao2:

[SkinsHokieFan]

I'm not suggesting it wont. But like us with Ratliff, why move a Pro-Bowl/All-Pro DT to defensive end, when there is no guarantee it might work?

Its far different from Ratliff.

Ratliff is an all pro/probowl nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme already

We haven't seen Haynesworth in a 3-4 ever. So you may as well experiment, move him around and see where he can fit in best. Having him at the end spot on some downs (in particular 1st and 2nd) can be very nice against the run when you have a (hopefully healthy) 345 lbs nose tackle in there also

[Sonny#9]

I'm not suggesting it wont. But like us with Ratliff, why move a Pro-Bowl/All-Pro DT to defensive end, when there is no guarantee it might work?

..and no guarantees it WON'T work either.

Like I posted above -- Haynesworth and Orakpo rushing from the same said? It has a LOT of potential.

It is conceivable (although entirely random speculation) that they could produce 20 sacks between the two of them (another random, fact-less prediction: 12 for Orakpo, 8 for Haynesworth).

It's also conceivable that it doesn't work at all...

[newlander]

yawn....forskins fans are always "giddy" over their FA deals...then the season starts.

[Sonny#9]

The Skins are <insert potential move here>








:lmao2:

There I made a template for you to use. You can just copy and paste this over and over again. It'll make it easier to not contribute anything to a conversation.

[SkinsHokieFan]

yawn....forskins fans are always "giddy" over their FA deals...then the season starts.

Huh? Where is the "giddyness"

The 2 Skins fans who have posted in this thread are saying "solid signing, we'll see what happens"

Because who knows what the hell will happen.

[Sonny#9]

yawn....forskins fans are always "giddy" over their FA deals...then the season starts.

I said "near" giddy, I like the potential of Haynesworth and Orakpo rushing from the same side. I said it could be great, it could not work out at all.

Reading comprehension: The ability to provide accurate responses regarding questions concerning written language. Hope that helps.

[peplaw06]

There I made a template for you to use. You can just copy and paste this over and over again. It'll make it easier to not contribute anything to a conversation.Awww, did her get her feewings hurt?

[arglebargle]

If he's healthy, it is a good signing. If he's not healthy, and the contract is structured well, it won't be a bad signing. The interesting part for me, is that the new GM/Coach are keeping the lid on Danny Boy. He's not up to his usual hijinks. Too bad!

Still, if improvement is slow, he could fire them all in a fit of pique.

[Sonny#9]

Still, if improvement is slow, he could fire them all in a fit of pique.

You know -- I just don't see this happening. Shanny is HIS guy. He will get the same leeway that Gibbs got. And Gibbs retired again. Snyder wanted him back for a 5th year.

[SkinsHokieFan]

You know -- I just don't see this happening. Shanny is HIS guy. He will get the same leeway that Gibbs got. And Gibbs retired again. Snyder wanted him back for a 5th year.

Snyder wanted to give Gibbs an extention for a 6th and 7th year :)

The other thing is, and this is just kind of word on the street in DC is that Snyder isn't doing as well financially as he was 3-4 years ago, in particular with the Six Flags fiasco

So there is no way he is going to fire shanahan, who is getting paid 7 million a year, until year 5 at the earliest, if at all. No way does Snyder go on the hook for 7 million :lmao2:

[Idgit]

...Snyder wanted him back for a 5th year.

So did Cowboy fans.

[Sonny#9]

So did Cowboy fans.

That's funny -- Redskins fans feel the same way about Wade...

[Bob Sacamano]

That's funny -- Redskins fans feel the same way about Wade...
:rolleyes: you guys want to get blanked twice again?

[gmoney112]

That's funny -- Redskins fans feel the same way about Wade...

Typical response from a skins fan. Give it up brah. You didn't win a game against a divisional opponent last year, HAHAHAH

[Sonny#9]

:rolleyes: you guys want to get blanked twice again?

Blah, blah, blah...b/c you know Shanahan is on the same level as Zorn. :rolleyes:

Hey, weren't we supposed to sign Peppers and Sproles? I've been looking for those releases...I can't seem to find them. I mean you did call it didn't you??

[Sonny#9]

Typical response from a skins fan. Give it up brah. You didn't win a game against a divisional opponent last year, HAHAHAH

Yep. And you can keep telling yourself

And P.S. -- I'd gladly trade last season to put together a legitmate FO and coaching staff...

[Bob Sacamano]

Blah, blah, blah...b/c you know Shanahan is on the same level as Zorn. :rolleyes:

Hey, weren't we supposed to sign Peppers and Sproles? I've been looking for those releases...I can't seem to find them. I mean you did call it didn't you??

You don't have an offensive line and no skill player even close to Brandon Marshall. All you have is dimwitted Quincy Campbell as your QB and a broken down and bitter Clinton Portis.

[Bob Sacamano]

Yep. And you can keep telling yourself

And P.S. -- I'd gladly trade last season to put together a legitmate FO and coaching staff...

Kansas City has a pretty legit FO and coaching staff (a better one actually) and they sucked balls last year.

[Sonny#9]

You don't have an offensive line and no skill player even close to Brandon Marshall. All you have is dimwitted Quincy Campbell as your QB and a broken down and bitter Clinton Portis.

You still have Wade Phillips. Congrats.

Keep pointing the finger at the Redskins' roster deficiencies...That'll alleviate the short-comings of your head coach who, despite having a very talented roster, has managed one play off win over a broken down eagles team...

[Bob Sacamano]

You still have Wade Phillips. Congrats.

Keep pointing the finger at the Redskins' roster deficiencies...That'll alleviate the short-comings of your head coach who, despite having a very talented roster, has managed one play off win over a broken down eagles team...
:rolleyes: I don't know why you're excited that Wade is still our head coach when he pretty much made your team his ***** last year. And probably will do so again with your noted roster deficiencies, esp on the offensive side of the ball.

It's typical Redskin fan saber-rattling in the offseason.

[Sonny#9]

Kansas City has a pretty legit FO and coaching staff (a better one actually) and they sucked balls last year.


Yep they did, and if you actually take a moment and actually read my posts. I have no expectations of being good this year either. I am happier than hell with the staff they have put in place...

That STILL doesn't change that fact that Wade Phillips is still your HC....

[Bob Sacamano]

Yep they did, and if you actually take a moment and actually read my posts. I have no expectations of being good this year either. I am happier than hell with the staff they have put in place...

That STILL doesn't change that fact that Wade Phillips is still your HC....

...and...?

We'll still be one of the top 8 teams at least next year, and will probably advance further in the playoffs, having a good chance to at least. While during that run, punking YOUR team twice more.

You have nothing to be excited about with the thought of Wade being our head coach.

Just stop, your bravado is worse than Herman Goering's at the Nuremberg Tribunals.

[Sonny#9]

:rolleyes: I don't know why you're excited that Wade is still our head coach when he pretty much made your team his ***** last year.

Oh there's something to be proud of! Beating a horribly constructed team led by a moron! Wow -- pat yourself on the back for that one. Good job, Bob. I know we sucked, that's not news. As usual, you're not telling me anything new.

Keep on putting all your faith into the coach with his one playoff win (over a dismantled Eagles team, no less). You do realize you have the worst HC in the division now right?

And probably will do so again with your noted roster deficiencies, esp on the offensive side of the ball.

Wanna bet? I will place a wager on a split.

It's typical Redskin fan saber-rattling in the offseason.

Bob, you never cease to amaze me. You really are a credit to Cowboys fans. Your posts are pure gold...

By the way -- you never answered me about Peppers or Sproles...ESPN reported that Peppers went to the Bears. That can't possibly be true! I mean you CALLED it...

[Sonny#9]

...and...?

We'll still be one of the top 8 teams at least next year, and will probably advance further in the playoffs, having a good chance to at least. While during that run, punking YOUR team twice more.

Put your money where your big mouth is...sig bet?

You have nothing to be excited about with the thought of Wade being our head coach.

Just stop, your bravado is worse than Herman Goering's at the Nuremberg Tribunals.

Yes admitting we aren't going to be good is bravado? You got me.

One thing is very exciting to me. Under Phillips, I can count on the Cowboys underachieving again...

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh there's something to be proud of! Beating a horribly constructed team led by a moron! Wow -- pat yourself on the back for that one. Good job, Bob. I know we sucked, that's not news. As usual, you're not telling me anything new.

Keep on putting all your faith into the coach with his one playoff win (over a dismantled Eagles team, no less). You do realize you have the worst HC in the division now right?

LOL what the **** has Mike Shanahan done in the past 12 years to make him so special?

Didn't his Broncos fold down the stretch just 2 years ago after starting 6-0??

His Denver Broncos have been one of the worst underachieving teams in the last 2 or 3 years.

Wanna bet? I will place a wager on a split.

Of course you would, you're full of your usual offseason bluster. But I'll take that bet, let's get the particulars down.

Bob, you never cease to amaze me. You really are a credit to Cowboys fans. Your posts are pure gold...

By the way -- you never answered me about Peppers or Sproles...ESPN reported that Peppers went to the Bears. That can't possibly be true! I mean you CALLED it...

I don't remember saying anything about Sproles. But OMG!!! I didn't rightly predict what the Skins would actually go and do!!! Seriously, that's the best you got?

[Sonny#9]

LOL what the **** has Mike Shanahan done in the past 12 years to make him so special?

Didn't his Broncos fold down the stretch just 2 years ago??

More than Phillips has ever done: Made it to the Championship game. He also succeeded Phillips in Denver and did what Phillips couldn't do...

Of course you would, you're full of your usual offseason bluster. But I'll take that bet, let's get the particulars down.

But you apparently won't...interesting...

I don't remember saying anything about Sproles. But OMG!!! I didn't rightly predict what the Skins would actually go and do!!! Seriously, that's the best you got?

You believed PFT, and THAT is pretty damned funny...

[Bob Sacamano]

Put your money where your big mouth is...sig bet?



Let's do it.

If the Cowboys and Skins split the season series, then I put up a sig that says you are not in fact a stupid Skin fan.

Yes admitting we aren't going to be good is bravado? You got me.

Your bravado is having the nerve to diss our HC.

One thing is very exciting to me. Under Phillips, I can count on the Cowboys underachieving again...

We won our 1st playoff game in 13 years, yeah, we really underachieved just like from '06-'08.

[Sonny#9]

Let's do it.

If the Cowboys and Skins split the season series, then I put up a sig that says you are not in fact a stupid Skin fan.

Winner selects the sig.

You're bravado is thinking that your FO is all of a sudden special.

You are bravado? I am? I don't get it. I assume you mean YOUR. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you.

And yes, I am very confident in my coaching staff and FO. FAR cry from what it was...

We won our 1st playoff game in 13 years, yeah, we really underachieved just like from '06-'08.

Are you saying you didn't underacheive in '06 -- '08? Please tell me you were agreeing with me...and that wasn't sarcasm...

[Bob Sacamano]

More than Phillips has ever done: Made it to the Championship game. He also succeeded Phillips in Denver and did what Phillips couldn't do...

Lately, what has he done?

But you apparently won't...interesting...

damn, could you give me a ****ing second?



You believed PFT, and THAT is pretty damned funny...

I believed a NFL news agency to actually report NFL news, who knew?

[Bob Sacamano]

Winner selects the sig.



You are bravado? I am? I don't get it. I assume you mean YOUR. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you.

Boy, you really are on top of things

except not, I went back and edited it to the correct "your", just like I accepted your little wager before you called me out for not doing so.

But fine, winner selects the sig.

And yes, I am very confident in my coaching staff and FO. FAR cry from what it was...

So confident in fact that you have the nerve to laugh at ours. You've seen what our coaching staff can do. You haven't seen what yours can do either.

Are you saying you didn't underacheive in '06 -- '08? Please tell me you were agreeing with me...and that wasn't sarcasm...

Please learn to comprehend. I'm saying we underachieved in '10 just like we did from '06 to '08, you know? When we had 2 chances to win a playoff game, and a 3rd to go to the playoffs to get a chance to win another, but didn't?

That was sarcasm BTW.

[Sonny#9]

Lately, what has he done?

2005 he was in the conference championship...that was the last time he was in the playoffs...so with that information, you can spin it anyway you want to prop up Phillips only playoff win in his career...if that helps you sleep...



I believed a NFL news agency to actually report NFL news, who knew?

:lmao2: You just called PFT an "NFL News Agency"...I bet you think Cerrato is a good personnel guy too...

[Sonny#9]

Boy, you really are on top of things

except not, I went back and edited it to the correct "your", just like I accepted your little wager.

But fine, winner selects the sig.

Yeah, you got me. 'Cause I am the one who can't keep up and is going back to edit posts...

You're on. I will be here.

So confident in fact that you have the nerve to laugh at ours. You've seen what our coaching staff can do. You haven't seen what yours can do either.

Yeah, I've seen what your coaching staff can do too -- that's why I'm happy about it.

Please learn to comprehend. I'm saying we underachieved in '10 just like we did from '06 to '08, you know? When we had 2 chances to win a playoff game, and a 3rd to go to the playoffs to get a chance to win another, but didn't?

That was sarcasm BTW.

Really? You think you didn't underachieve? Really? You mean 13-3, 13 "Pro-Bowlers," home field advantage and LOSING...wasn't underachieving? Missing the playoffs entirely despite being 8-4?? Really?!

[Bob Sacamano]

2005 he was in the conference championship...that was the last time he was in the playoffs...so with that information, you can spin it anyway you want to prop up Phillips only playoff win in his career...if that helps you sleep...

He had a chance to go to the playoffs in '07, started off 5-0 in fact, only to have his team underachieve and blow it down the stretch in what is perhaps the weakest conference in football.




:lmao2: You just called PFT an "NFL News Agency"...I bet you think Cerrato is a good personnel guy too...

Their job is supposed to report news and NFL tidbits, so yeah. And let's not act like all of PFT's information has been wrong.

Yeah, you got me. 'Cause I am the one who can't keep up and is going back to edit posts...

You're on. I will be here.

LOL I type fast and sometimes misspell words in a rush and leave out things. But man, you'll cling to anything to keep your ahead of above water.

Yeah, I've seen what your coaching staff can do too -- that's why I'm happy about it.

Like totally humiliate your team? Masochist, eh?

Really? You think you didn't underachieve? Really?

Your comprehensions skills are amazing! I didn't say we didn't underachieve those years.

Listen, freak. I'm being sarcastic saying we underachieved in '10 like we did from '06 to '08. Meaning I don't think we underachieved in '10, using '06-'08 as evidence of what in fact is underachieving.

Please get it this time.

[Sonny#9]

He had a chance to go to the playoffs in '07, started off 5-0 in fact, only to have his team underachieve and blow it down the stretch in what is perhaps the weakest conference in football.

Ah gotcha. Ok, so kinda like starting 8-4 and missing the playoffs...with a much more talented roster...but I totally see how its the same :rolleyes:

[quote=Bob Sacamano;3304697]Their job is supposed to report news and NFL tidbits, so yeah. And let's not act like all of PFT's information has been wrong.

95% of what they post is complete crap flinging to see what sticks...

Your comprehensions skills are amazing! I didn't say we didn't underachieve those years.

Listen, freak. I'm being sarcastic saying we underachieved in '10 like we did from '06 to '08. Meaning I don't think we underachieved in '10, using '06-'08 as weight (when we did in fact underachieve)

Please get it this time.


Are you saying you didn't underacheive in '06 -- '08? Please tell me you were agreeing with me...and that wasn't sarcasm...

Yeah...see...this is the 2nd part of the question you obviously didn't read...or comprehend...so. I really don't know what in the blue hell you're talking about. But it's time for me to go home, so I no longer care. I bid you adieu, good day to you sir...

[Bob Sacamano]

He had a chance to go to the playoffs in '07, started off 5-0 in fact, only to have his team underachieve and blow it down the stretch in what is perhaps the weakest conference in football.

Ah gotcha. Ok, so kinda like starting 8-4 and missing the playoffs...with a much more talented roster...but I totally see how its the same :rolleyes:


Uh, yeah, but except we didn't do that in '10. Fact is we made great strides by finally getting over the hump, while Shanny's teams have in fact gotten worse lately.

Yet we have the worst coach in the NFC East LOL

95% of what they post is complete crap flinging to see what sticks...

They actually have NFL sources. So the vast majority of their stuff isn't just throwing crap against the wall.

Yeah...see...this is the 2nd part of the question you obviously didn't read...or comprehend...so. I really don't know what in the blue hell you're talking about. But it's time for me to go home, so I no longer care. I bid you adieu, good day to you sir...

The only one who can't comprehend is you who somehow believed I wrote that we didn't underachieve from '06 to '08.

[SkinsHokieFan]

They actually have NFL sources. So the vast majority of their stuff isn't just throwing crap against the wall.



.

:lmao2:

You are far dumber then I ever imagined thinking PFT has any NFL sources.

If they did, Peppers would be a Redskin

[Bob Sacamano]

:lmao2:

You are far dumber then I ever imagined thinking PFT has any NFL sources.

If they did, Peppers would be a Redskin

Not necessarily. NFL coaches are some of the worst gossipers there are.

And Florio has built up contacts within NFL circles. In fact he is getting all his rumors from them.

BTW change your sig or get the **** off.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Not necessarily. NFL coaches are some of the worst gossipers there are.

And Florio has built up contacts within NFL circles. In fact he is getting all his rumors from them.



Hey, according to Florio's report, the Redskins were going to back up the "brinks truck" to bring in Peppers :lmao2:

Keep showing how dumb you are by reading PFT. I personally enjoy it

[Bob Sacamano]

Hey, according to Florio's report, the Redskins were going to back up the "brinks truck" to bring in Peppers :lmao2:

Keep showing how dumb you are by reading PFT. I personally enjoy it

And you keep rooting for the skins.

[SkinsHokieFan]

And you keep rooting for the skins.

:lmao2:

After your comments about Wade in this thread, and now PFT I am laughing at you not with you. If you don't like my posts, there is a button called ignore in the corner. Feel free to use it.

[Bob Sacamano]

:lmao2:

After your comments about Wade in this thread, and now PFT I am laughing at you not with you. If you don't like my posts, there is a button called ignore in the corner. Feel free to use it.

It must be sad that you can disrespect a coach so much who validated how sucky an organization you root for, truly is. By extension Wade is making you his *****.

I also love how the Redskins finally didn't make a stupid personnel move, and you feel like you guys pulled one of the greatest tricks in NFL history. Bravo.

[SkinsHokieFan]

It must be sad that you can disrespect a coach so much who validated how sucky an organization you root for, truly is. By extension Wade is making you his *****.

I also love how the Redskins finally didn't make a stupid personnel move, and you feel like you guys pulled one of the greatest tricks in NFL history. Bravo.

Wade is 4-2 against the Redskins in his 3 years. Hell, the zenith of Jim Zorn's career was beating an undefeated team coached by Wade at Texas Stadium :lmao2:

I love Wade being in Dallas. I'm glad Jerry didn't fire him and go after Shanahan I can only hope Wade has Vinny Cerrato like staying power in Dallas

I also love the guy who told me to go away is still reading my posts.

[Bob Sacamano]

Wade is 4-2 against the Redskins in his 3 years. Hell, the zenith of Jim Zorn's career was beating an undefeated team coached by Wade at Texas Stadium :lmao2:

I love Wade being in Dallas. I'm glad Jerry didn't fire him and go after Shanahan I can only hope Wade has Vinny Cerrato like staying power in Dallas

I also love the guy who told me to go away is still reading my posts.

lol Dallas is so worse off than you guys. What the offseason does to you guys is like the effect the moon has on werewolves.

I have no problem reading your posts. They are amusing. Just have a problem with someone who says one thing but does another.

[SkinsHokieFan]

lol Dallas is so worse off than you guys. What the offseason does to you guys is like the effect the moon has on werewolves.

I have no problem reading your posts. They are amusing. Just have a problem with someone who says one thing but does another.

If there is one thing I don't like is people putting words in my mouth

The Cowboys right now have 100 times the talent the Redskins have and will finish at least 3 games above the Redskins in 2010. My current 2010 Redskins prediction is 3-13 for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which is the complete lack of talent on the Redskins.

Now if it takes putting words in my mouth to make your argument, you just confirm what I already think of you :)

[Bob Sacamano]

If there is one thing I don't like is people putting words in my mouth

The Cowboys right now have 100 times the talent the Redskins have. My current 2010 Redskins prediction is 3-13 for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which is the complete lack of talent on the Redskins.

Now if it takes putting words in my mouth to make your argument, you just confirm what I already think of you :)

but you has the Wade Phillipz!!! harharhars!!1z

What was that all about then?

[SkinsHokieFan]

but you has the Wade Phillipz!!! harharhars!!1z

What was that all about then?

Simple, Wade isn't a good head coach nor is he a leader that can motivate and rally the Cowboys to gain any substantial success. Great d-coordinator. Not head coach material. So long as he is there, I like the Redskins chances against the Cowboys.

The Redskins simply have garbage talent right now, and it will take 2 offseasons to get anywhere near competitive. I fully expect the Cowboys to finish ahead of the Redskins the next 2 seasons, despite having Wade as HC

[Bob Sacamano]

Simple, Wade isn't a good head coach nor is he a leader that can motivate and rally the Cowboys to gain any substantial success. Great d-coordinator. Not head coach material. So long as he is there, I like the Redskins chances against the Cowboys.

The Redskins simply have garbage talent right now, and it will take 2 offseasons to get anywhere near competitive. I fully expect the Cowboys to finish ahead of the Redskins the next 2 seasons, despite having Wade as HC

Until you replenish the roster, you have no chance. By the time your timetable is to where you think the Redskins will be successful, (which I think is wildly optimistic) Wade probably won't be here anymore. I don't see our roster diminishing in talent for awhile anyways, so there's that too.

And I equally like our chances against you guys. Shanny's Denver teams lately have been widely inconsistent and even worse underachievers than any Dallas team. It's amazing how that is left out of the conversation. Yet like every move you guys make, it's all about the pros and never the cons.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Until you replenish the roster, you have no chance. By the time your timetable is to where you think the Redskins will be successful, Wade probably won't be here anymore. I don't see our roster diminishing in talent for awhile anyways, so there's that too.

And I equally like our chances against you guys. Shanny's Denver teams lately have been widely inconsistent and even worse underachievers than any Dallas team. It's amazing how that is left out of the conversation. Yet like every move you guys make, it's all about the pros and never the cons.

Paragraph 1) I recall a game being 7-6 this season in Dallas. Also refer to 1995 season. A garbage Redskins roster, led by such greats like Gus Frerrote and Heath Shuler swept the would be Superbowl champion Cowboys. That Cowboys team was great inspite of the dismal coaching of Barry Switzer, and nobody in the NFL could compete, which is not the case in 2010 with the Cowboys vs the rest of the NFL

2) There have been all of 2 moves made this offseason and nobody knows in what ways Shanahan has adjusted his coaching style or strategy. Shanahan also starts with a better D then he had in his 3 years in Denver, the one year he got good D play he ended up in the AFC title game (not saying the Redskins are going to the NFC title game or even the playoffs for the next 2 seasons)

Essentially, there isn't enough of a book of Shanny in DC to say any "cons" The pro is he is not Jim Zorn :)

[Mansta54]

yawn....forskins fans are always "giddy" over their FA deals...then the season starts.

...and they SUCK as usual..

[L-O-Jete]

Keep on putting all your faith into the coach with his one playoff win (over a dismantled Eagles team, no less)

I don't mean to interrupt your grudge match here, but I was wondering why you considered the Weables "dismantled"? IIRC they were one of the hottest teams at the end of the season (as it seems almost every year).

[Bob Sacamano]

Paragraph 1) Refer to 1995 season. A garbage Redskins roster, led by such greats like Gus Frerrote and Heath Shuler swept the would be Superbowl champion Cowboys. That Cowboys team was great inspite of the dismal coaching of Barry Switzer, and nobody in the NFL could compete, which is not the case in 2010 with the Cowboys vs the rest of the NFL

And in 1991, Dallas lost in the divisional round. But in 1992, they won the Super Bowl.

Do you think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl next year?

2) There have been all of 2 moves made this offseason and nobody knows in what ways Shanahan has adjusted his coaching style or strategy. Shanahan also starts with a better D then he had in his 3 years in Denver, the one year he got good D play he ended up in the AFC title game (not saying the Redskins are going to the NFC title game or even the playoffs for the next 2 seasons)

His D in Washington is better, but his O is considerably worse. He's not going to have a system of successful offensive lines and running backs to help him. Not to mention there is that mess of a QB he inherits.

Essentially, there isn't enough of a book of Shanny in DC to say any "cons" The pro is he is not Jim Zorn :)

Well Praise Da LAWD!

[Mansta54]

Paragraph 1) I recall a game being 7-6 this season in Dallas. Also refer to 1995 season. A garbage Redskins roster, led by such greats like Gus Frerrote and Heath Shuler swept the would be Superbowl champion Cowboys. That Cowboys team was great inspite of the dismal coaching of Barry Switzer, and nobody in the NFL could compete, which is not the case in 2010 with the Cowboys vs the rest of the NFL

2) There have been all of 2 moves made this offseason and nobody knows in what ways Shanahan has adjusted his coaching style or strategy. Shanahan also starts with a better D then he had in his 3 years in Denver, the one year he got good D play he ended up in the AFC title game (not saying the Redskins are going to the NFC title game or even the playoffs for the next 2 seasons)

Essentially, there isn't enough of a book of Shanny in DC to say any "cons" The pro is he is not Jim Zorn :)

So what!!! And you still SUCKED and won just 4 games... Whats that score or game have to do with jack.. OMG!!!!

[Bob Sacamano]

So what!!! And you still SUCKED and won just 4 games... Whats that score or game have to do with jack.. OMG!!!!

:laugh1:That game represents how close the 2 franchises are.

I swear, these guys look for any shining light in their bleak fan existence.

[Mansta54]

:laugh1:That game represents how close the 2 franchises are.

I swear, these guys look for any shining light in their bleak fan existence.

Only in their eyes, true football fans know just how much they SUCK....

[SkinsHokieFan]

And in 1991, Dallas lost in the divisional round. But in 1992, they won the Super Bowl.

Do you think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl next year?

Nope. 1991 isn't 2009, 1992 won't be 2010


His D in Washington is better, but his O is considerably worse. He's not going to have a system of successful offensive lines and running backs to help him. Not to mention there is that mess of a QB he inherits.


You seem to misinterpret my posts. You know, places where I say the talent on the Redskins is garbage and where I predict the Redskins will go 3-13 next year.

However, he has much better D talent to start off with then he ended with in Denver. And he does have a track record of building a good offense (see his 2006 draft). It certainly won't be next year he turns things around, and probably not in 2011 either. But he'll have a very good chance at beating Wade, like Norv had in 1995 beating Switzer despite a vastly inferior team to work with

[Dash28]

I don't mean to interrupt your grudge match here, but I was wondering why you considered the Weables "dismantled"? IIRC they were one of the hottest teams at the end of the season (as it seems almost every year).
It's just typical **** coming from a skins fan, nothing new here.

[zrinkill]

Just keeps getting better.

:D

[zrinkill]

Wanna bet? I will place a wager on a split.

Redskin fans never pay up after they lose a bet.

[Bob Sacamano]

Nope. 1991 isn't 2009, 1992 won't be 2010


2010 won't be 1995 for the Redskins either.

Just 2009 all over again.

You seem to misinterpret my posts. You know, places where I say the talent on the Redskins is garbage and where I predict the Redskins will go 3-13 next year.

However, he has much better D talent to start off with then he ended with in Denver. And he does have a track record of building a good offense (see his 2006 draft). It certainly won't be next year he turns things around, and probably not in 2011 either. But he'll have a very good chance at beating Wade, like Norv had in 1995 beating Switzer despite a vastly inferior team to work with

Ok, he has a much better D. I'm not impressed, the O still sucks.

You can't say that I shouldn't comment on the roster, yet you keep on doing so. Every time you say the D is different than in Denver, I'm going to keep on pointing out how the O is worse.

[SkinsHokieFan]

2010 won't be 1995 for the Redskins either.

Just 2009 all over again


Probably. The schedule is much worse, the O talent is worse (unless there are some draft day miracles). And again, reading comprehension. Look at my last 5 posts about Redskins 2010=3-13



Ok, he has a much better D. I'm not impressed, the O still sucks.

You can't say that I shouldn't comment on the roster, yet you keep on doing so. Every time you say the D is different than in Denver, I'm going to keep on pointing out how the O is worse.

Yea, the O is complete garbage. I think we both agree on that. Not too hard to see the obvious is it?

Now once Shanhan improves the O, and he has a track record of improving an offense at every NFL stop he has been at, including re-tooling the Denver O in 2006, he'll have a much better D to work with then he had in Denver. He never had a Brian Orakpo, he had the Browns d-line :lmao2:

[Bob Sacamano]

Probably. The schedule is much worse, the O talent is worse (unless there are some draft day miracles)




Yea, the O is complete garbage. I think we both agree on that. Not too hard to see the obvious is it?

Now once Shanhan improves the O, and he has a track record of improving an offense at every NFL stop he has been at, including re-tooling the Denver O in 2006, he'll have a much better D to work with then he had in Denver. He never had a Brian Orakpo, he had the Browns d-line :lmao2:

You guys are going places. Moving on up like the Jeffersons.

[SkinsHokieFan]

You guys are going places. Moving on up like the Jeffersons.

Better then standing still with Coach Creampuff :)

Mabye Bill Cowher will save you in 2011? It'd be almost a perfect fit as Shanny to Dallas

[Bob Sacamano]

And again, reading comprehension. Look at my last 5 posts about Redskins 2010=3-13

2009 was also the Cowboys sweeping the skins handily, no chance of being upset. That is the main point of your 1995 example of the skins playing the spoiler was it not? Yes it was.

[SkinsHokieFan]

2009 was also the Cowboys sweeping the skins handily, no chance of being upset. That is the main point of your 1995 example of the skins playing the spoiler was it not? Yes it was.

No chance of being upset?

Down 6-0 with 3 minutes in the 4th quarter is no chance of being upset?

[Bob Sacamano]

No chance of being upset?

Down 6-0 with 3 minutes in the 4th quarter is no chance of being upset?

Not by your pathetic O. No.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Not by your pathetic O. No.

And what would that make your team losing 6-0 at home with 3 minutes in the 4th to the division 2 team we fielded last year?

[Mansta54]

Not by your pathetic O. No.

And you're absolutely correct, that's why it DIDN'T HAPPEN... They finished DEAD LAST again this season for a reason, THEY SUCK....

[Mansta54]

And what would that make your team losing 6-0 at home with 3 minutes in the 4th to the division 2 team we fielded last year?

It makes us NFC EAST CHAMPIONS as we swepted your SORRY TEAM..

[SkinsHokieFan]

It makes us NFC EAST CHAMPIONS as we swepted your SORRY TEAM..

Honestly, beating a D-2 team 7-6 at home, after the Redskins kicker (who became the Cowboys kicker :) ) misses 2 kicks, isn't exactly something to crow about.

With the talent the Cowboys had, it should have been 34-3 Dallas ;)

[Mansta54]

Honestly, beating a D-2 team 7-6 at home, after the Redskins kicker (who became the Cowboys kicker :) ) misses 2 kicks, isn't exactly something to crow about.

With the talent the Cowboys had, it should have been 34-3 Dallas ;)

Ahh, I believe we SHUT YOU OUT on your own home field. SHUT OUT!!! Ouch!!!!

[Bob Sacamano]

Honestly, beating a D-2 team 7-6 at home, after the Redskins kicker (who became the Cowboys kicker :) ) misses 2 kicks, isn't exactly something to crow about.

With the talent the Cowboys had, it should have been 34-3 Dallas ;)

You ever heard of the term, "playing down to the level of your competition"?:D

[Mansta54]

Honestly, beating a D-2 team 7-6 at home, after the Redskins kicker (who became the Cowboys kicker :) ) misses 2 kicks, isn't exactly something to crow about.

With the talent the Cowboys had, it should have been 34-3 Dallas ;)

Had? We still have that talent and that same talent won the NFC EAST, swept you, and DID NOT ALLOW YOU TO SCORE A SINGLE POINT ON YOUR HOME FIELD.... Nuff said!!!!!

[Bob Sacamano]

Had? We still have that talent and that same talent won the NFC EAST, swept you, and DID NOT ALLOW YOU TO SCORE A SINGLE POINT ON YOUR HOME FIELD.... Nuff said!!!!!

In film sessions, Shanahan is going to have to devote an inordinate amount of time showing Redskin, offensive players what an end zone looks like. And explaining what it's purpose is.

[Mansta54]

In film sessions, Shanahan is going to have to devote an inordinate amount of time showing Redskin, offensive players what an end zone looks like. And explaining what it's purpose is.

I luv beefin with those clowns, especially after they won just 4 games and finished DEAD LAST AGAIN. They sound like complete IDIOTS!!!!

[SkinsHokieFan]

Ahh, I believe we SHUT YOU OUT on your own home field. SHUT OUT!!! Ouch!!!!

As you should have. The Redskins fielded a D-2 college football team last year. I'm sure your boys at Germantown Community College could have beaten the Redskins 7-6

You ever heard of the term, "playing down to the level of your competition"?:D
:lmao:

Or Wade simply isn't that good


Had? We still have that talent and that same talent won the NFC EAST, swept you, and DID NOT ALLOW YOU TO SCORE A SINGLE POINT ON YOUR HOME FIELD.... Nuff said!!!!!

Yup, with the talent you had, being down 6-0 late in the 4th (no thanks in part to our kicker, who ended up being your kicker) is quite honestly an embarrassment. Should have beat us 34-3 :)

[Bob Sacamano]

:lmao:

Or Wade simply isn't that good



Did you guys see the end-zone last year? hmm? anyone? Buehler?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Did you guys see the end-zone last year? hmm? anyone? Buehler?

Which we shouldn't have either. With the talent on your D, and the garbage on our O, what should have happened did happen.

Kinda like beating the kid in a wheelchair in a track meet. About what I expected

[JustDezIt]

The Redskins fielded a D-2 college football team last year.



enough said
:lmao:

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

[Mansta54]

Which we shouldn't have either. With the talent on your D, and the garbage on our O, what should have happened did happen.

Kinda like beating the kid in a wheelchair in a track meet. About what I expected

And you didn't!!! Yall are definately the kid in the wheelchair, for sure...

[JustDezIt]

Kinda like beating the kid in a wheelchair in a track meet.

your only arguement is that you were terrible. just stop.

[Bob Sacamano]

Which we shouldn't have either. With the talent on your D, and the garbage on our O, what should have happened did happen.

Kinda like beating the kid in a wheelchair in a track meet. About what I expected

You guys scored TDs in '09. That you didn't score any in 2 meetings vs us is a little more than coincidental. Wade is pretty good. Maybe not Championship caliber, but still...

[SkinsHokieFan]

You guys scored TDs in '09. That you didn't score any in 2 meetings vs us is a little more than coincidental. Wade is pretty good. Maybe not Championship caliber, but still...

Yea, Wade vs Zorn. :laugh2:

Seriously, Wade did what a good DC should have done against the Redskins offense. You swept one of the 5 worst teams in NFL history, good work there chief

[Mansta54]

Yea, Wade vs Zorn. :laugh2:

Seriously, Wade did what a good DC should have done against the Redskins offense. You swept one of the 5 worst teams in NFL history, good work there chief

Man O man, it must SUCK being a Foreskin fan.... Geeez!!!

[Bob Sacamano]

Yea, Wade vs Zorn. :laugh2:

Seriously, Wade did what a good DC should have done against the Redskins offense. You swept one of the 5 worst teams in NFL history, good work there chief
:laugh2:Every team kept you guys from reaching the endzone? Did the Eagles do it twice too? The Giants?? Please, just give credit where it's due.

BTW, it's going to be the same crappy offense for at least 2 years.

[peplaw06]

Is this what it's come to? A Redskin fan talking **** because we SHOULD have beaten you worse than we did? Is that even a legitimate point of argument?

[silverbear]

With the talent the Cowboys had, it should have been 34-3 Dallas ;)

That was actually a brilliant strategic move by Jerry... he saw what was happening, and sent down orders to keep it close...

He figured if the Boys beat the Skins by as much as they should have, Danny Boy would stroke out... and maybe, just maybe, their next owner would have a clue...

I'm tellin' ya, Jerry's always thinking...

[Sonny#9]

BTW, it's going to be the same crappy offense for at least 2 years.

Is it?! So BOTH Shannahans, who are known for their offensive prowess, are going to run the same scheme, the same plays, with the same terrible play calling to the point that Allen will have to rely on Sherm Lewis again?

[Hostile]

Not since Brandon "The Blocker Magnet" Noble have I seen this much talk by Redskins fans over a so so DT.

[Sonny#9]

Not since Brandon "The Blocker Magnet" Noble have I seen this much talk by Redskins fans over a so so DT.

It's not so much Kemoatu himself -- it's the idea of not having Haynesworth there and allowing him to rush from the end position, with Orakpo rushing of the OLB position behind him.

And, the Kemoatu talk pretty much stopped on pg 2.

[DCBoysfan]

Not since Brandon "The Blocker Magnet" Noble have I seen this much talk by Redskins fans over a so so DT.

When you finish 4-12, anything new seems like a positive:laugh1::laugh1:

[Bob Sacamano]

Is it?! So BOTH Shannahans, who are known for their offensive prowess, are going to run the same scheme, the same plays, with the same terrible play calling to the point that Allen will have to rely on Sherm Lewis again?

No, it's going to be the same offensive results. Pedestrian.

Starting over is arguable worse than keeping the same offensive system in place. No matter how crappy it is. Especially when Quincy "mentally-coked up" Campbell is your field general.

[Cowboys22]

It's not so much Kemoatu himself -- it's the idea of not having Haynesworth there and allowing him to rush from the end position, with Orakpo rushing of the OLB position behind him.

And, the Kemoatu talk pretty much stopped on pg 2.

I can see the 3-4 learning curve hasn't kicked in in DC. 3-4 ends do not rush very often. They hold their ground and eat up blocks. If you send your end upfield rushing the QB on a consistant basis, you will be gashed right underneath him for 7-8 yards a pop. We'll see how long Haynesworth likes being a hold your ground type of player. Word is he already isn't very happen about any of it!

[Califan007]

I can see the 3-4 learning curve hasn't kicked in in DC. 3-4 ends do not rush very often. They hold their ground and eat up blocks. If you send your end upfield rushing the QB on a consistant basis, you will be gashed right underneath him for 7-8 yards a pop. We'll see how long Haynesworth likes being a hold your ground type of player. Word is he already isn't very happen about any of it!
I love seeing 3rd generation speculation treated as worthwhile fact on rival fan message boards lol...

As for AH at end and the signing of Kemoeatu, let's just say that not everyone is laughing along with Cowboys fans:

By Matt Williamson
Scouts Inc.
Archive (http://search.espn.go.com/matt-williamson/)

Every Monday, Scouts Inc. takes a look at the major storylines to watch this offseason:
The Redskins sign Maake Kemoeatu (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4254)

This signing hasn't gotten a lot of publicity, but I think it could be extremely beneficial to the Redskins as they transition to a 3-4. Kemoeatu is not a young man and didn't play a down last season after tearing his Achilles tendon, but if he is healed, he is exactly what the doctor ordered at nose tackle. He played at a very high level in 2008, and this massive human being is a terrific run-stuffer.

When healthy and right, he commands double-teams and occupies the point of attack. Rarely does he go backward. Let's assume he is healthy -- or at least will be for the season opener. This addition does a lot for Washington. Obviously, Albert Haynesworth (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3543) is a supreme talent who is capable of taking over a game. With Kemoeatu at nose on early downs, Haynesworth can play defensive end, allowing the superstar to best use his abilities and make more plays.

Without a guy like Kemoeatu in the equation, Haynesworth surely would have gotten the nose tackle job by default. Of course he could excel there, but eating double-teams just doesn't get enough out of what Washington has invested in Haynesworth. Even with the shortage of nose tackles in the league now, Haynesworth is incredibly special, and using his vast skill set in many ways is best for this team.

Kemoeatu also will team with Haynesworth at defensive tackle to be a potentially impenetrable wall in short-yardage situations. On throwing downs, Kemoeatu will rest and watch from the sidelines while Haynesworth attacks upfield at defensive tackle and is flanked with edge-rushers like Brian Orakpo (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12439) and Andre Carter (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2555).

This signing also allows the Redskins to better concentrate on the offensive side of the ball on draft day. Kemoeatu might never be the same after his injury and Washington may never get a thing from this signing, but the reward vastly outweighs the risk. It might just pay off hugely.

[Sonny#9]

Starting over is arguable worse than keeping the same offensive system in place. No matter how crappy it is. Especially when Quincy "mentally-coked up" Campbell is your field general.

Bob, your posts are pure gold. Gold I tell ya! You honestly believe that our offense will be...worse than last year?

I bet you think Cerrato is a good personnel man, still too, don't you?