Hmm, Dez Bryant pushes his proday back 5 more days;

[cowboyjoe]

Dez Bryant-WR- Player Mar. 16 - 11:37 am et


Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant has pushed back his Pro Day workout again, this time to March 30.

The original date was March 25. The league begins annual meetings on March 24, and Sam Bradford's workout is March 29. Either Bryant is worried his injured hamstring won't be healed, or he's smartly making sure all NFL evaluators possible will be on hand. Either way, the continued delay is distressing. Bryant sat out both the Combine and OSU's March 10 Pro Day.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

[Arch Stanton]

If he slips any more he'll be an UDFA. :)

[cowboyjoe]

Report: Dez Bryant pushes back pro dayOklahoma State wideout will now host workout on March 30. Joe Fortenbaugh
March 16, 2010 Print This .Add a Comment .Wide receiver Dez Bryant has moved his pro day workout from March 25 to March 30, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.com.


AP
Dez Bryant
Apparently, Bryant wanted to work out on March 30 at Oklahoma State—one day after quarterback Sam Bradford hosts his pro day in Norman, Okla.—but Okie State declined, saying they’ve already held one pro day and do not want to host another.

Instead, Bryant will now work out in his hometown of Lufkin, Tex., one day before Texas Tech hosts their annual pro day.
Thats where I live too,
Although no reason has been given as to why he’s bumping his pro day back five days, many are speculating it may have something to do with the hamstring injury that prevented Bryant from working out at the combine in Indianapolis last month.

That, and the fact that the wide receiver showed up in Indy ten pounds heavier than his 2009 playing weight may have led Bryant’s camp to buy as much time as possible to get the potential first-round pick into the best shape possible before various NFL personnel get an up-close look at him.

Hit me up on Twitter: @JoeFortenbaugh

[Cover 2]

He's already cost himself millions. What's a few more?

[cowboyjoe]

He's already cost himself millions. What's a few more?

yep inmaturity; maybe after he sees what this will cost him, he will grow up

[Chris in Arizona]

He will be fine. Still a top 20 pick and the top WR in this draft.

[DFWJC]

If he falls out of the top 9-12 he has cost himself some $$$ due to various reasons. But all it takes is for one team to bite and he has not cost himself one penny. We'll find out on draft day.

[Chocolate Lab]

I read that he didn't just "sit out" the OSU pro day... He was banned from it. Edit, wrong info.

Latest word is that he's moved his personal pro day back to April 24.

[Cover 2]

I read that he didn't just "sit out" the OSU pro day... He was banned from it.

Latest word is that he's moved his personal pro day back to April 24.
I thought Cox was the one that got banned?

[Chocolate Lab]

I thought Cox was the one that got banned?

Oops, I think you're right. I'll go with the OSU grad on this one. :)

[CanuckCowboysFan]

He's already cost himself millions. What's a few more?


not really...If Denver loses Marshall, he's going to Denver. Farthest he falls is SEA IMO.

[Hoofbite]

yep inmaturity; maybe after he sees what this will cost him, he will grow up

Doubt it.

He's gonna have enough to do what he wants and he can still be lazy.

IDIOT! I wouldn't touch him. Seems like a ****in bum.

[dmoore]

I remember posters earlier this offseason say that he reminded them of Irvin. That seems way off. Irvin had a legandary work ethic. I'm always one to give talent a chance, but since I like a handful of WRs in this class a lot I'd personally pass on him. I might take Benn or Thomas over him. But then again, I'm one of the few people extremely high on Benn.

[cowboyjoe]

I remember posters earlier this offseason say that he reminded them of Irvin. That seems way off. Irvin had a legandary work ethic. I'm always one to give talent a chance, but since I like a handful of WRs in this class a lot I'd personally pass on him. I might take Benn or Thomas over him. But then again, I'm one of the few people extremely high on Benn.

He is like Irvin in the way he catches the ball, fights for it, and plays hard on the field, but thats where the comparision stops, his work ethic off the field, practices, study film etc.. falls off.

[Gaede]

red flags are all over this guy

[cboyd]

He is like Irvin in the way he catches the ball, fights for it, and plays hard on the field, but thats where the comparision stops, his work ethic off the field, practices, study film etc.. falls off.


Cowboyjoe do you know Dez Bryant??? Do you even know if these rumors are true???? If so give good sources because I would love to know where you are coming from. However, if not this is just an opinion based on rumors not a known fact.

However, I do believe that teams are frustrated because he has not worked out for scouts yet.

[cowboyjoe]

Cowboyjoe do you know Dez Bryant??? Do you even know if these rumors are true???? If so give good sources because I would love to know where you are coming from. However, if not this is just an opinion based on rumors not a known fact.

However, I do believe that teams are frustrated because he has not worked out for scouts yet.

yes, i know some of the so called rumors your talking about, even some of our high school players now that i know, have said same thing about dez.

now on the college situation rumors, i dont know about that, because i dont live in oklahoma, but i live in lufkin texas where dez lives and will have his workout on march 30th

javorski lane, reggie mcneal were the same way, no leadership qualities and they thought the world revolved around them after high school because head coach outlaw would let them get away with things he shouldnt have. Outlaw still does the same thing today.

[cboyd]

yes, i know some of the so called rumors your talking about, even some of our high school players now that i know, have said same thing about dez.

now on the college situation rumors, i dont know about that, because i dont live in oklahoma, but i live in lufkin texas where dez lives and will have his workout on march 30th

javorski lane, reggie mcneal were the same way, no leadership qualities and they thought the world revolved around them after high school because head coach outlaw would let them get away with things he shouldnt have. Outlaw still does the same thing today.

You may be right about him in highschool. However, I do know that Dez grew up in a bad environment and sometimes once they get away from those situations that the player changes. This situation is really a wait and see kind of deal. Some of those questions can be answered on his pro day and through interviews. The rest of the questions are going to be answered over time in the NFL. I am just not going to jump the gun and point the finger at him unless I have something that is evident because lets face it during this time rumors always pops up about top players sometimes its true but sometimes its completely false.

[cowboyjoe]

You may be right about him in highschool. However, I do know that Dez grew up in a bad environment and sometimes once they get away from those situations that the player changes. This situation is really a wait and see kind of deal. Some of those questions can be answered on his pro day and through interviews. The rest of the questions are going to be answered over time in the NFL. I am just not going to jump the gun and point the finger at him unless I have something that is evident because lets face it during this time rumors always pops up about top players sometimes its true but sometimes its completely false.

Again, I am not trying to point the finger at Dez and some of the players from Lufkin. I hope he is the exception, and makes it big in the NFL. He has huge huge hands, very skillful when he wants to be. Best I remember Dez said he always liked Michael Irvin, maybe if he falls enough the Cowboys can draft him. So, Michael can tutor him some. Its like Miles Austin said the other day, he really didnt bust his rear end till last year. Sometimes, players think they have all the time in the world to do what they want, and its no big deal. Yet, as a football player if you want to be the best, you have to work at it, wont be given to you on a silver platter. But at the same time, I want him to have his head on straight. Get over the past issues in his life, lack of or not doing things like he should. Sometimes you just have to grow up. I just dont want us to waste our top draft pick on a player in the first round if he isnt serious.

We all make mistakes in life, but its like i read one time, most great football players mention the great coach either that they had in high school or college that was on them 9 times out of 10, and chewed them out when they needed it and didnt let them get away with anything.

Like myself, I have made mistakes in life, probably will make a few more here and there, but its awhole lot easier if you get corrected early in your life by a mentor either your father or head coach.

The big key for dez now is how does he show up in shape, but you have to also think, why wasnt he in shape to begin with. He had no football to play after he got suspended, yet he showed up at the combine 10 pounds overweight. To me thats a red flag right there.

Sure, I am pulling for him to make it big time and possibly help the cowboys, but I want his head on straight. We have to hit on this top first round draft pick big time.

[cboyd]

Again, I am not trying to point the finger at Dez and some of the players from Lufkin. I hope he is the exception, and makes it big in the NFL. He has huge huge hands, very skillful when he wants to be. Best I remember Dez said he always liked Michael Irvin, maybe if he falls enough the Cowboys can draft him. So, Michael can tutor him some. Its like Miles Austin said the other day, he really didnt bust his rear end till last year. Sometimes, players think they have all the time in the world to do what they want, and its no big deal. Yet, as a football player if you want to be the best, you have to work at it, wont be given to you on a silver platter. But at the same time, I want him to have his head on straight. Get over the past issues in his life, lack of or not doing things like he should. Sometimes you just have to grow up. I just dont want us to waste our top draft pick on a player in the first round if he isnt serious.

We all make mistakes in life, but its like i read one time, most great football players mention the great coach either that they had in high school or college that was on them 9 times out of 10, and chewed them out when they needed it and didnt let them get away with anything.

Like myself, I have made mistakes in life, probably will make a few more here and there, but its awhole lot easier if you get corrected early in your life by a mentor either your father or head coach.

The big key for dez now is how does he show up in shape, but you have to also think, why wasnt he in shape to begin with. He had no football to play after he got suspended, yet he showed up at the combine 10 pounds overweight. To me thats a red flag right there.

Sure, I am pulling for him to make it big time and possibly help the cowboys, but I want his head on straight. We have to hit on this top first round draft pick big time.

I agree with everything you just said except him being overweight and out of shape. You can tell from his sophmore year and his Jr year that he got bigger and you can deffinatly tell its all muscle. At the beginning of his JR year the team was reporting that he was 220 pounds. So its not all that suprising.

[cowboyjoe]

I agree with everything you just said except him being overweight and out of shape. You can tell from his sophmore year and his Jr year that he got bigger and you can deffinatly tell its all muscle. At the beginning of his JR year the team was reporting that he was 220 pounds. So its not all that suprising.

all i know the scouts said he was 10 pounds overweight;

[cboyd]

I heard the exact opposite, I heard that scouts were really impressed. Its all about who and where you hear or read the source. I just know that its not really suprising that Dez came in that weight because that is what he played at his JR year. I know when he played for those 3 games he was ripped. He also looked ripped in the under armour commercial which was done I think right before the combine.

[cowboyjoe]

I heard the exact opposite, I heard that scouts were really impressed. Its all about who and where you hear or read the source. I just know that its not really suprising that Dez came in that weight because that is what he played at his JR year. I know when he played for those 3 games he was ripped. He also looked ripped in the under armour commercial which was done I think right before the combine.

thats not what i heard, best i remember was from nfl network and one big time general manager,

i will search later and see if i can find that info, but i heard it;

[cowboyjoe]

Cowboyjoe do you know Dez Bryant??? Do you even know if these rumors are true???? If so give good sources because I would love to know where you are coming from. However, if not this is just an opinion based on rumors not a known fact.

However, I do believe that teams are frustrated because he has not worked out for scouts yet.

OK cboyd, read this;
Notes: Parade All-American whose tenuous academic standing scared off some schools until late in the process. Committed to Oklahoma State in large part because of its early interest and assistant coach Gunter Brewer’s association with Randy Moss(notes) (Brewer coached Moss at Marshall). Bryant was born to a teenage mother who had three children by age 18 and sold drugs to get by (she spent 18 months in jail when Dez was 8). Endured an unstable upbringing and was placed in special education classes as a high school freshman because of a learning disability. It was around that time when he left his mother and moved in with his father (who is nearly 30 years older than his mother) and stepmother. In October of 2008, Bryant’s high school coach told the New York Times, “I’ve taken him to probably six or seven different places he called home. It wasn’t an ideal family situation. He was from trailer to trailer and house to house.” Combative and stubborn during his high school years, Bryant was kicked out of the house and moved in with his girlfriend at the time before qualifying academically. Played in 12 games (three starts) as a true freshman in ’07, catching 43 balls for 622 yards (14.5-yard average) and six touchdowns with two punt returns for 15 yards (7.5) and zero TDs. Was suspended for the Florida Atlantic contest for being late to team meetings. Started all 13 games at the flanker spot in ’08, racking up 87-1,480-19 (17.0) receiving (113.9 yards per game) and 17-305-2 (17.9) on punt returns. Also returned four kickoffs for 100 yards (25.0). Took a shot under the chin on the first series against Missouri but returned after being checked for concussion symptoms. Piled up 13-167-1 against Oregon in the Holiday Bowl before incurring a small ligament tear in his left knee and having worn a brace to play through it. Had the knee surgically repaired in January ’09 and did not participate in spring practice. In the fall, saw action in three games - managed 17-323-4 (19.0) receiving, 3-111-1 (37.0) returning punts and 2-43 (21.5) returning kickoffs before the NCAA imposed a season-long suspension for lying about his relationship with Deion Sanders, who was under suspicion of courting Bryant as a potential client for agent Eugene Parker.

note, said late for team meetings, not one meeting, but team meetings!

Positives: Exceptionally competitive gamer. Attacks the ball in the air with very strong hands and very long arms to sky over defensive backs, highpoint the ball and pluck it out of the air. Catches in stride and immediately turns into a running back, sifting through traffic and creating after the catch - very good run vision and instincts. Does not go down easily. Can bend and sink into his routes and adjusts well to the low ball. Can make the acrobatic circus catch and one-handed snags and will lay out parallel to the ground and sacrifice his body to haul it in. Tracks the deep ball extremely well. Outstanding hand-eye coordination and body control. Will cross the middle and has shown he can take a hit. Has a feel for coverage and keeps working to uncover.


Negatives: Is not a crafty route runner. Will make some concentration drops. Not overly elusive after the catch. Too naïve and immature. Many big gains came on improvised, broken plays in a simplified offense, and he may require an adjustment period to an NFL offense. Missed most of his last season after making questionable decisions and is too easily influenced and too much of a follower. Needs to learn what it means to be a pro and become more accountable. Too unreliable and does not show enough respect for the game.

Summary: A terrific game-day competitor with immaturity issues that could sidetrack a brilliant career if he does not learn that he will not be able to get by on his natural talent alone at the pro level. Appeared heavier and less agile as a junior than he did early in his career and showed up at the Combine at a bulked-up 225 pounds and did not work out. Proved he could be a difference maker from Day One in college and has the physical traits to become a dominating, No. 1 receiver if he figures out the meaning of hard work.

[DFWJC]

Sounds like Emmitt Smith with the late for team meetings thing. :)

It's not the same I know...but Emmitt did not like to practice, avoided the weight room, and stayed away from offseason workouts and even training camp as much as possible. I think some forget that about him.
He was no Michael Irvin when it came to practice and training habits.
But on the field, ES was the man.

[cboyd]

ok a few things, I have read this article before but it seems like 2 articles put together. Please post your sources. He had to go to house to house because his mother was using and sold drugs and was even arrested for this matter. He was forced to go to home to home finding a place to stay. As he was growing up he did not really have anyone to look after him. Dez was in a bad situation and often depressed about what went on around him. His grades reflected that matter. He saw football as his escape route. Now he did get suspended for the Florida Atlantic game his freshman year. This comes to show that Mike Gundy does not put up with that kind of crap. So you never hear that problem from Dez again. So one game his freshman year is understandable.

Here I will actually give you something to read

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/sports/ncaafootball/25okstate.html

Dez ever since then has grown up

[cowboyjoe]

ok a few things,
Here I will actually give you something to read

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/sports/ncaafootball/25okstate.html

Dez ever since then has grown up

I know all of that remember I am from Lufkin too, but this says it all
right here in the document you provided; We made a decision that we would stick with him from start and finish,” the Cowboys co-offensive coordinator Gunter Brewer said in a telephone interview. “We would watch him until the end and help him as much as we could in the framework.”

You cant babysit a player in the pros, unless you want to babysit him like we had to babysit pacman? And how did that work out? Remember pacman hit his own bodyguard.

He has to grow up, realize this is his big chance to change things, have a life for himself and his family. He has to be accountable. That started when he was suspended, should have been in shape and ready to run at the combine. but he wasnt was he? Thats my point!

This is it for him, kinda like antonio bryant, he had problems too remember but he fell due to those reasons. He has to decide for himself to grow up and be the pro he can be, but he has to be there for team meetings, study film, no drinking, and stay in shape.

[cboyd]

I am not from Lufkin. However, I am an Oklahoma State student. I have talked to people who helped out with practices. So I get my information from them, what I have observed when going by practices and going to games. I also listen to interviews from coaches and players. What Gunter Brewer was saying is that they would help with a scholarship. So what this means that they would help him if he needed a tutor and a way to get into a good environment to learn and grow. Not to hold his hand 24/7. Basically an opportunity that any scholarship athlete recieves. Dez is not even close as bad as you try to make him out to be.

[cboyd]

Oh by the way, you have yet to prove the Dez was out of shape. They reported that he tweaked his hamstring. The only way to tell is to wait till his pro day.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Oh by the way, you have yet to prove the Dez was out of shape. They reported that he tweaked his hamstring. The only way to tell is to wait till his pro day.


CJ is right buddy, he did show up overweight/out of shape. I still want him though. Badly.

[cowboyjoe]

I am not from Lufkin. However, I am an Oklahoma State student. I have talked to people who helped out with practices. So I get my information from them, what I have observed when going by practices and going to games. I also listen to interviews from coaches and players. What Gunter Brewer was saying is that they would help with a scholarship. So what this means that they would help him if he needed a tutor and a way to get into a good environment to learn and grow. Not to hold his hand 24/7. Basically an opportunity that any scholarship athlete recieves. Dez is not even close as bad as you try to make him out to be.

I am not trying to make him out being bad, but that he needs to grow up. I am always for giving a fella the 2nd, 3rd chance etc... But I want our first round draft choice to be a stud player that can play for us for years, not get into trouble.

In fact, I will go on record and say this. Years ago, probably before you were born, the cowboys put out a story about mel renfro possibly hurting his hand, when he cut it after he heard john f kennedy was killed in the early 60's. The story goes that the cowboys put out the story that the nerves in renfros hand was damaged and he might not be able to play. Renfro fell down to the 2nd round.

Next, the first 3 players for the nfl draft this year, first 3 players that I know of that the dallas cowboys looked at were trent williams, jason fox and dez bryant.

So, they do have interest in him. The Cowboys know of me from Lufkin too, I have sent them some draft stuff in the past, and i know 11 sports writers. I even helped them win a game once on field goals they were missing and charley waters wasnt holding the ball properly before the kicker kicked the ball.

I have even talked to tex schramn, and jerry jones.

Main thing with me, i want our first round draft choice to be an impact player,and not get into trouble etc. You do know that if you draft a player with a troubled past or trade for him, and commissioner goodell can take money away from you when that player gets into trouble or even take draft picks away from you dont you?

I even said a prayer for dez to make something of himself and have a successful pro career.

Its all on Dez now, no more excuses, time to grow up.

[Cover 2]

I am not from Lufkin. However, I am an Oklahoma State student. I have talked to people who helped out with practices. So I get my information from them, what I have observed when going by practices and going to games. I also listen to interviews from coaches and players. What Gunter Brewer was saying is that they would help with a scholarship. So what this means that they would help him if he needed a tutor and a way to get into a good environment to learn and grow. Not to hold his hand 24/7. Basically an opportunity that any scholarship athlete recieves. Dez is not even close as bad as you try to make him out to be.
And I get my information from a player on the team that said Dez would come to practice drunk some times. He said he was still the most impressive person there even while drunk, but what I took from it was not that he was so talented that even while drunk he was the best player, but that he was drunk at practice.

Hearing this in conjunction with all the other rumors he obviously has a problem. The rumors going around about him don't start unless there is something to them. The people reporting these have access to NFL personnel.

[cowboyjoe]

And I get my information from a player on the team that said Dez would come to practice drunk some times. He said he was still the most impressive person there even while drunk, but what I took from it was not that he was so talented that even while drunk he was the best player, but that he was drunk at practice.

Hearing this in conjunction with all the other rumors he obviously has a problem. The rumors going around about him don't start unless there is something to them. The people reporting these have access to NFL personnel.

Bingo thanks cover 2

[cboyd]

By your standards any player that is going to be in the draft needs to grow up. If thats the case, then yes. However, rather you like it or not you have that chance with any draftable kid. Some kids grow up and some don't. Infact, some kids may seem like good kids until they get all that money and then greed gets to them. No matter how you want to look at an individual, you never know until they are in the league for a while. In this case you think Dez is immature and I see a good kid who if some reason fell to use could play for us for many years. I am not saying that you are rooting or not rooting for the kid but you and I both don't know how he is going to respond once he enters the NFL. Even if he was immature he is currently not on the level of Pac Man who not only gets in trouble with the NFL but with the law. Everything that I have said in this forum you can not sit there and say this is false. Now there are some opinions but everyone haves them.

[cboyd]

And I get my information from a player on the team that said Dez would come to practice drunk some times. He said he was still the most impressive person there even while drunk, but what I took from it was not that he was so talented that even while drunk he was the best player, but that he was drunk at practice.

Hearing this in conjunction with all the other rumors he obviously has a problem. The rumors going around about him don't start unless there is something to them. The people reporting these have access to NFL personnel.

See thats the deal I have heard things totally different from you. Thats why your statement is just as good as mine. Rumors are spread all the time. So you are telling me that if a rumor is started then there must be something behind the rumor that is true. If you hear a rumor you might as well take it as a grain of salt because rumors are often false. You and I both know that.

[cowboyjoe]

By your standards any player that is going to be in the draft needs to grow up. If thats the case, then yes. However, rather you like it or not you have that chance with any draftable kid. Some kids grow up and some don't. Infact, some kids may seem like good kids until they get all that money and then greed gets to them. No matter how you want to look at an individual, you never know until they are in the league for a while. In this case you think Dez is immature and I see a good kid who if some reason fell to use could play for us for many years. I am not saying that you are rooting or not rooting for the kid but you and I both don't know how he is going to respond once he enters the NFL. Even if he was immature he is currently not on the level of Pac Man who not only gets in trouble with the NFL but with the law. Everything that I have said in this forum you can not sit there and say this is false. Now there are some opinions but everyone haves them.

Nope, some players are grown up when they get drafted, jerry rice, mel renfro, roger staubach, troy aikman, the Moose, walt garrison, bob lily, cliff harris, drew pearson, everson walls, billy joe dupree, to name a few.

To me he still showed he was inmature, which is the point in trying to make, being overweight at the combine, and not being able to run. Example Mike Williams of detroit.

To me, if dez was dead serious about being drafted like he said he would, he would have been running every day once he was suspended, gotten with a talented person to keep him running like the guy in florida that helps players improve their speed time. Heck, he could have even gotten with deion sanders who got him into the suspension in the first place at his workout area for draftees and stayed in shape and been ready to run. That to me says total inmaturity by dez not being able to stay in shape and show scouts, gm's and owners at combine he was serious about football. Then, when he had to postpone his pro day 5 more days, that to me sends another red flag.


If your a general manager of a team or the owner, and you draft a player that isnt grown up, gets in trouble or not mature enough, eventually you will be held accountable for drafting that player and your team will suffer. YOU HAVE TO HIT THOSE FIRST 3 PLAYERS IN THE 1ST, 2ND AND 3RD ROUNDS, or you will pay for it later by not having players ready to play and help your team. Example Shante Carver 1st round, Dwayne Goodrich, Kareem Lattimore, and Quincy Carter are key examples. You have to hit on your early draft choices big time, or you suffer later. Even Willie Blade was inmature, but parcells kept him around for blades dad. Do you remember Jacob Rogers, scouts told Parcells not to draft him but parcells did because he grew up in new jersey, one of parcells big weaknessess. YOU pay big time if you miss on those first 3 top draft rounds. This is where i always stand, for the better of the team. The team always comes first before the players.
I still see a good kid if given the chance, but he has to take the step, no one can do it for him. He has to be ready, and step up to the plate.

To me just like i sent you a note earlier on outlaw, to me if outlaw had been just a tad more tougher on him then he was it would have helped him. Sometimes, you have to put your foot down with a player, just like when the college suspended him for missing team meetings. And just in message above you acknowledged like cover 2 sent you a message on him being drunk but at practice.

Plain and simple, that is inmaturity, but the coaches were letting him get away with being drunk at practice. Sometimes or most of the time, everyone in life come to a crossroad, one way is good, the other one is bad, and when you take the bad, then sometimes you need your rear end kicked big time by someone that cares about you, but will make you toe the mark. That then either will get you fired up to do your best, to show that person wrong and then you grow up. this is what Dez needs to me, someone that will stand up to him, toe to toe, doesnt take any guff and make dez see the light. That to me is where coach outlaw fails, he allows players to get away with things and he shows favortism to certain players.

Sure he has talent, but he has to realize where he got that talent from God and give God favor and praise for letting him have that talent and chance in life and grow up. Even you cant deny now, where you read, a player said he was drunk at practice and allowed to get away with it. Just think how much better he could be without being drunk.

Those are all red flags. Again, what do you think he is going to do when he gets that big money? He has to grow up! If you go back and loook at some of my posts you will find that i said way back i was hoping the cowboys get dez. But bottom line he has to grow up and be accountable.

[cboyd]

Ok here is the thing cowboyjoe we both agree that Dez is talented and kids need to mature when going for any job or this case impressing teams to draft draft you but thats not the issue here. The issue here is that you are believing every rumor out there and accusing a kid of being immature based on those rumors. But the thing is that you don't have anything to back up those rumors. You take rumors to heart as if they are facts. This is like me saying that I heard from a source that cowboyjoe haves a serious problem with drugs. Do I know you? no. Do I know this for a fact? no. But if I spread this rumor and some people would just ignore it because there is nothing to back it up but there are a few people like your self who would believe this rumor and likes to spread these rumors as if they are a guarantee fact. The thing is you set an image of an individual and have your mind made up on them no matter what. If Dez is like what you say he is in the NFL then I will admit I was totally wrong and you were right.


Oh by the way I want to clarify that cowboyjoe is not on drugs or anything associated with that. I believe that he is a very intelligent individual who I respect and enjoys having conversation with and hold debates.

[cowboyjoe]

Ok here is the thing cowboyjoe we both agree that Dez is talented and kids need to mature when going for any job or this case impressing teams to draft draft you but thats not the issue here. The issue here is that you are believing every rumor out there and accusing a kid of being immature based on those rumors. But the thing is that you don't have anything to back up those rumors. You take rumors to heart as if they are facts. This is like me saying that I heard from a source that cowboyjoe haves a serious problem with drugs. Do I know you? no. Do I know this for a fact? no. But if I spread this rumor and some people would just ignore it because there is nothing to back it up but there are a few people like your self who would believe this rumor and likes to spread these rumors as if they are a guarantee fact. The thing is you set an image of an individual and have your mind made up on them no matter what. If Dez is like what you say he is in the NFL then I will admit I was totally wrong and you were right.

Oh by the way I want to clarify that cowboyjoe is not on drugs or anything associated with that. I believe that he is a very intelligent individual who I respect and enjoys having conversation with and hold debates.



No, i told you, i have sources (kids at high school that knew dez, I know 3 kids that went to school and knew him), he was late to meetings, practices at high school, drinking etc.... No, rumor but fact! Just like i said, he has huge hands. I did not say any college rumors because i have no sources at college that he went too. Just like the document you sent me, coach outlaw had him called into his office so many times and dez cried. At a certain point in life, you have to come down on the player or he doesnt learn anything. Thats my whole point.

Again, my main point is he has had lack of leadership, authoritive figures in his life to have him toe the mark. Sometimes he did, sometimes not,even you sent that article. Just like the article you sent, the college source decided they would follow him and help him, but they couldnt do it 24/7. Just like cover 2 told you a source told him that his source was a pllayer and that he was drunk at practice.

Now, let me help you read between the lines. when a player is drunk, dont you think the coaches know that, but they let him get away with it and dez was still the most dominat player at wr on the field even drunk. Thats my point, just like reggie mcneal, javorski lane, etc. they followed the wrong crowd, etc and didnt make it in the nfl. I do not again, blame this all on dez, to me, alot lays at the doorstep of coach outlaw for letting him get away with things and showing favortism. This to me is what has hurt Dez, but again, just like in story you posted, his father kicked him out of the house too.What reason we dont know, but 10 to 1, he didnt follow guidelines in the mans house. Inmaturity.

So, Dez has been allowed to get away with things to a degree but when he did get suspended by college for the deion sanders thing, what did dez do? Did he show up at the combine in shape and ready to run? No! Thats the point im trying to make.

Finally, I am not trying to prove I am right or wrong, but that when you draft that top pick, you had better hit on him to help your team for 10 to 12 years. Just like after we got through the white house issue in the 90s, michael irvin issue, erik williams issue, etc... and randy moss was drafted. He had some issues in life, etc.. But we chose to draft greg ellis. People were hollering for the cowboys to clean up their act and players. We just got through cleaning out the locker room with pacman, tank johnson, T O, Greg Ellis, roy williams safety, and others towards players that wanted to play football and were team oriented.

You have to hit on that first round draft choice. Or your dead in the water 3 to 4 years down the road because your draft choices didnt make it.

This is the bottom line with me, just like matt the ex gm of the lions, he got fired for making stupid draft choices within 5 years of taking Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Rogers and Calvin Johnson. You cant keep taking WRs with your very first pick, will come back to bite you. Thats my point.

Just like I said, first 3 players the cowboys looked at in the draft were jason fox, trent williams and dez bryant. Why Dez, with the cowboys picking 27th, because they thought he might fall. Didnt randy moss fall? Didnt the great Jerry Rice fall? But you have to be sure with that pick.

You have to hit with it! Bottom line, i dont care if its dez, or upati, or whomever, but you have to hit with that player with your first pick. We are still suffering some for trading a number one and 3rd draft choice for roy williams. Draft choices are the life blood of your team. I am not the head scout or gm or owner of the cowboys, so i am not responsible for those draft choices. But I do know, if you miss on that top draft choice it sets you back for years. You have to hit. I would be thrilled if Dez says, ok, im going to show you wrong, and prove to the teams that passed on me in the draft, that im going to make them pay for years like randy moss did. That just to me, brings the spunk up in the player to prove people wrong. Just like safety roy williams said once, he wanted to show on person on the cowboyszone that he was wrong about him and he would be a top safety. We all know what happened dont we?

If its something that i said that made Dez or whatever player work harder, prove himself to me and others, then im all for it. Sometimes you have to challenge a player. but you have to hit on that top draft choice. Just like JaMarcus Russell, who is fat and out of shape, but how many years is it taking him now in the NFL? We dont have time for a guy to decide to grow up after 3 years or so.

We are real close to being a superbowl team, we need help now, we dont need another inmature player like Martellus Bennett to decide he will be ready to work hard by his 3rd year or grow up. WE need help now. We have a window that will close in 4-5 years, we need to do it now!

[cboyd]

cowboyjoe you get your information from highschool kids??? wow. Even if it was true, that happen in HIGH SCOOL!!! I mean seriously. Dez never came to practice drunk (again living and dying on things you don't know that are true). Not to mention earlier you said that Dez was suspended for a game for being late to meetings. However, you think that coaches allowed him to be drunk at practice??? I mean seriously this is where you need to do your research on coaches and their history of dealing with players. Mike Gundy suspends his players no matter who they are just ask Cox and Pettigrew and thats just two of the players that have got in trouble one way or another. Once Les Miles left the team was full of thugs and once Gundy took over he kicked a lot of players off the team. There is nothing that you know of that supports that Dez is out of shape. So quit saying that. As far as his father goes you don't know if it was Dez or his father. His father was not even really around much in his life. Even you said you did not know. Sure every team does their research when evaluating a player. They do this so they can make the right choice.

I am not exactly sure how all of a sudden we become the detroit lions if we select Dez. If you think that Dez is Mike Williams guess again. Since when is Calvin Johnson a bust??? When is the last time that Dallas spent a 1st rounder on a wide reciever? Exactly. Anyways Dallas talks to high profile players every year but that does not mean they are going to fall to us. Cowboyjoe you lost all credibility on this one.

[cowboyjoe]

cowboyjoe you get your information from highschool kids??? wow. Even if it was true, that happen in HIGH SCOOL!!! I mean seriously. Dez never came to practice drunk (again living and dying on things you don't know that are true). Not to mention earlier you said that Dez was suspended for a game for being late to meetings. However, you think that coaches allowed him to be drunk at practice??? I mean seriously this is where you need to do your research on coaches and their history of dealing with players. Mike Gundy suspends his players no matter who they are just ask Cox and Pettigrew and thats just two of the players that have got in trouble one way or another. Once Les Miles left the team was full of thugs and once Gundy took over he kicked a lot of players off the team. There is nothing that you know of that supports that Dez is out of shape. So quit saying that. As far as his father goes you don't know if it was Dez or his father. His father was not even really around much in his life. Even you said you did not know. Sure every team does their research when evaluating a player. They do this so they can make the right choice.

I am not exactly sure how all of a sudden we become the detroit lions if we select Dez. If you think that Dez is Mike Williams guess again. Since when is Calvin Johnson a bust??? When is the last time that Dallas spent a 1st rounder on a wide reciever? Exactly. Anyways Dallas talks to high profile players every year but that does not mean they are going to fall to us. Cowboyjoe you lost all credibility on this one.

I never said that i got info from college, except where you agreed with cover 2 when he said this;
Cover 2
Pessimists Unite!!!




And I get my information from a player on the team that said Dez would come to practice drunk some times. He said he was still the most impressive person there even while drunk, but what I took from it was not that he was so talented that even while drunk he was the best player, but that he was drunk at practice.
Hearing this in conjunction with all the other rumors he obviously has a problem. The rumors going around about him don't start unless there is something to them. The people reporting these have access to NFL personnel.

NFL Network said he was 10 pounds overweight! Then Espn hinted at it too. Another top general manager said same thing. When these top personnel from the NFL says this I tend to believe them.

And you missed my point when i mentioned the players from detroit. My point is as a general manager, head scout or owner, you have to draft wisely. If you dont, you will get fired or have to be accountable.

And if you have paid attention to the last few years in the draft, generally the first few players the cowboys interview during the draft process, the cowboys take one of those players.

And recently, the players that the cowboys bring into Dallas, some of them top ranked players and some from the local area, the cowboys have started drafting too.

Just like I hit on the draft last year, in my mock draft, when i first had 11 or 12 players in the draft, most of you said no way. Later, after listening to stephen jones in an interview, and some insight stuff that i have from some of my cowboys sources, i had 13 players that the cowboys drafted.

Again, most of you said, i was wrong, no way. But some on this board had to eat their words.

I have been following the cowboys every since 1966, and most of the time i am right. I know what I see.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, thats up to you, and i like the discussion or debate.

Again, i dont mind having to eat my words on dez bryant if he proves me wrong. In fact I encourage it. When i heard what Reggie McNeal was doing, and what Javorski Lane was doing leading up to the draft, I was right about them.

Sure, first couple of years, when those players were in college, I was drooling for the Cowboys to draft Lane and McNeal, but when i heard what they were doing at college at Texas A&M. I knew we didnt need them, they hadnt grown up.

Can Dez grow up? Yes! But he has got to put forth the effort. Again, bottom line with me, we have to hit on this first draft choice, whether we trade down or not. Just like Bruce Campbell OT, who has great measurables, speed, size, etc... But bottom line he hasnt produced in college.

So, I trust our scouting department, I sure didnt trust them when Larry Lacewell was running the scouting department along with Jerry Jones, but with our scouts now, I do. Something you also probably dont know, one of tom landry weakness was (and I loved Tom Landry to death-i cried and cried when the cowboys fired him) that landry didnt follow the advice of his scouts sometimes, even Gil Brandt said so.

Again, I dont mind eating crow, and if it helps motivate Dez Bryant to prove me wrong by working hard, growing up, then so be it. Sometimes, you have to challenge a person in life for him to make something out of his life. Thats the way i look at things.

Even, the high school players that I told you about, they keep in contact somewhat with players that leave high school, and they have heard the same thing on Dez.

:D

[dmoore]

I think his suspension is proof enough he needs to grow up. There was an article in this month's ESPN the mag about Deion Sanders, and it's not entirely clear what he's up to. He seriously hurt his team by not being honest to the NCAA. That OK State team could have competed for a big 12 title. If I'm a GM, I'm putting a lot of weight into his interviews.

[cboyd]

I did not say that you got your sources from a college. I said that you get your sources from highschool players. Which no matter if they are in contact now or just back then that is a poor poooor source of information. You also misread what I wrote. I said that you believe these sources not that you claim these sources . So please read before you jump to conclusions. As far as your sources go you must of misread on espn or nfl network because they were all high on Dez. The only person that I know of that was not was Pat Kirwin. Anyways you don't even have to take my word on Dez. If you go to scout.com to the Oklahoma State forum they have a topic from a Denver fan concerning about the Dez situation. On there you will have die hard OSU fans where many are close to the situation with Dez. Almost every single person on there said that Dez was a standup guy before the NCAA incident. Everyone considers a well mannered humble kid. We are not trying to argue if Dallas will or will not draft Dez or even if they like Dez. I want to know if you have interviewed Dez before or even had time to get to know the guy? If you know something personally as to what the Dallas Organization have said then please by all means share their thoughts. But if you don't have anything but rumors then you might as well save your breath.

So you are correct on every player in the draft?? You must be a cowboy legend. How come your not one of the cowboy greats?? The reason is because you are only die hard cowboys fan just like any one else on this board. Oh by the way don't be so arrogant because people don't like arrogant people.

[cowboyjoe]

I did not say that you got your sources from a college. I said that you get your sources from highschool players. Which no matter if they are in contact now or just back then that is a poor poooor source of information. You also misread what I wrote. I said that you believe these sources not that you claim these sources . So please read before you jump to conclusions. As far as your sources go you must of misread on espn or nfl network because they were all high on Dez. The only person that I know of that was not was Pat Kirwin. Anyways you don't even have to take my word on Dez. If you go to scout.com to the Oklahoma State forum they have a topic from a Denver fan concerning about the Dez situation. On there you will have die hard OSU fans where many are close to the situation with Dez. Almost every single person on there said that Dez was a standup guy before the NCAA incident. Everyone considers a well mannered humble kid. We are not trying to argue if Dallas will or will not draft Dez or even if they like Dez. I want to know if you have interviewed Dez before or even had time to get to know the guy? If you know something personally as to what the Dallas Organization have said then please by all means share their thoughts. But if you don't have anything but rumors then you might as well save your breath.

So you are correct on every player in the draft?? You must be a cowboy legend. How come your not one of the cowboy greats?? The reason is because you are only die hard cowboys fan just like any one else on this board. Oh by the way don't be so arrogant because people don't like arrogant people.

First place, sounds like your the one that is arrogant. Even one person on this board proved to you that a player told him that was on the same team as dez at college that he was drunk at practice. Yet, you continually say no proof. You need to learn to read between the lines.

Just like dmoore said I think his suspension is proof enough he needs to grow up. There was an article in this month's ESPN the mag about Deion Sanders, and it's not entirely clear what he's up to. He seriously hurt his team by not being honest to the NCAA. That OK State team could have competed for a big 12 title. If I'm a GM, I'm putting a lot of weight into his interviews.

Again, i pointed out to you that dez or even deion sanders should have gotten with dez and had him in shape to run, stay in shape for the combine. Or get the Florida guys that train players to run and improve their speed. Yet, Dez was overweight and couldnt run. Had to put his pro day back 5 more days.

These are all red flags. As far as my sources, when you are told something, you cant say who said it or how to a degree, but you can share info of what they said or hinted too. There has been numberous times that i have been told private information that was dallas cowboys breaking news, but I was told not to tell, which i did not. I have never lied, never will. I share dallas cowboys info with you zoners.

One of the media writers that I talk to, has told me, that I give him info on the cowboys through my sources even before he gets info from dallas morning news or espn. Sure, sometimes I am wrong, wont be the first time, and wont be the last, but more times then enough, I am right.

Like I told you, I have talked to Tex Schramn, Gil Brandt, Alicia Landry, John Wooten all pro offensive guard and representative for the cowboys, Jerry Jones, 67 Dallas Cowboys players through the years, and others. I dont have the sources that Hostile or some others have, but I do have some dallas cowboys sources.

As far as Dez, why hasnt he fully disclosed the interview with Deion Sanders, has he something to hide? Bryant was ruled ineligible for the rest of the 2009 season on October 7 for violating an NCAA bylaw. He failed to fully disclose his interaction with Deion Sanders, a former NFL player, to the NCAA Another red flag.

On top of that, you continue to miss my biggest point about Dez or any player that the cowboys draft. Red Flags! You as a owner, general manager, head scout have to be accountable when you draft a player and he doesnt work out. Just like parcells had to be accountable for drafting Jacob Rogers when the Cowboys scouts told him not to draft him, but he did. Do you even realize who we could have drafted instead of Jacob Rogers? Do you have any idea? A darn better player than Jacob Rogers ever was, even i was screaming when we drafted Rogers, but we could have gotten Max Starks, a lot better player or even Sean Jones safety.

Evidently when you said High School back to me, evidently you dont know about NFL drafting. Do you know why we didnt draft shawn merriman? Do you know why? Parcells called his high school coach and talked to him about Merriman, then we switched to Ware by drafting him. Evidently you dont know, but scouts, very good pro teams like the patriots even check your full background, way back to your high school days, some teams even go back to your junior high.

Do you even know why we came to draft Emmitt Smith, do you even know what players we wanted to draft instead of Emmitt. Do you know who stood up for Emmitt, talking about his high school days and scoring. Who was it? Dont look it up, tell me!

Do you know who also said why they drafted Emmitt finally because of his scoring and yardage in college and high school. What person on the dallas cowboys now, said that. I gave you an easy question there, even you should be able to figure that one out. Do you know, how we even came to draft Emmitt, dont look it up tell me, how did we draft Emmitt.

Was it with our own draft choices, did we trade up or down, what?

Do you know how high Dez was ranked coming out of high school for the state of texas? Dont look it up, tell me.

Here is some more you may not be aware of;
Reports by independent investigators at the NFL combine showed that Bryant is late for meetings, practices and games. He also left the combine early. Gambling experts revealed that Bryant did poorly in interviews and alienated teams.http://www.nflgambling.org/nfl-gambling/nfl-gambling-dez-bryant-hurts-his-cause-nfl-draft/13

Was the NCAA unfair to Dez for what he did, yes, but you have to be fair and honest too.

I have pulled for Dez ever since he was here in Lufkin playing for the panthers.

But bottom line, I want a player that can play for us for 10 to 12 years, be an impact player and not get into trouble. Even you if you were the general manager has to be honest and say, the red flags scare you, so your going to look into it further. Why do you think the Cowboys interviewed Dez real early? And Dez was one of the first 3 players they interviewed? Because they thought he might fall some. So, they have to do their homework on Dez.

And didnt i say this wasnt all Dez's fault, some of it was at the doorsteps of Coach Outlaw for letting hiim get away with things, so when he hit college, he still thought he could get away with things.

Havent I said all along that I hope Dez grows up, gets his life straight? But you have to hit on that number one draft choice or even if you trade down, you have to hit on those first 2 to 3 draft choices. Otherwise you set your team back.

NFL teams whether you realize it or not, are built through the draft primarly, now and then you can get some free agents that can help you or make trades, but the life blood of teams is through the draft, you have to hit on that first round draft choice.

Do you even know why we were dominant for so many years in the 70s and 80s? We made trades for players like Too Tall Jones, Randy White, and Tony Dorsett, dont look it up, tell me. Who were the players that we traded for to get those draft picks to select too tall, randy white and dorsett. I sure know, lets see if you know.

Do you know what player Tom Landry said he made a mistake on and should have drafted instead of craig morton? We all make mistakes, even I do too,but you have to learn from your mistakes and show steps that your growing as a person, or you will repeat those mistakes.

Just like I tried to tell you, I would be glad to eat crow, if Dez gets drafted by us,and what i said makes him stand up as a players and person to prove me wrong. Again, in life, sometimes you have to challenge players. It happens in life, happened with my dad, when he cut his hand off in a corn picker and one of my uncles told him, blankety blank he couldnt do nothing, poor baby, etc... Made my dad mad, and determined, he couldnt hardly drive that tractor the first day, but next couple of days, my dad was driving that tractor better then my uncle.

Bottom line, I view myself when i do my mocks, draft, etc, share info with cowboys zoners, that I am like a general manager, you have to be sure when you draft, you always take the best player available. You cant let your pride get in the way, or whatever, like when a certain NFL team wanted to trade for erik williams, they were willing to offer a 2nd round draft choice, but jerry jones wanted a number one draft choice. Or even when randy moss got drafted, did you know we were offered 2 number one draft choices to trade down, but jerry jones wanted more, so trade wasnt finalized, but we could have had possibly greg ellis and randy moss in that draft in 98?

Have i been wrong on players, yes, even one of the players that I sent info to the cowboys and they drafted didnt do well. His brother was in drugs and got him mixed up in drugs after the draft etc...

Some of the players that i sent the cowboys info on, they have drafted and turned out well, or decent.

I never said i was perfect, but sure sounds like you think you are. That you couldnt be a tad wrong about Dez. Again, bottom line, you have to be sure, with that number one draft choice, or like when jerry jones with larry lacewell (who i cant stand- i could tell you some stories about him & jerry but I wont its pretty bad) but when jerry drafted Quincy Carter, dwyane goodrich, kareem larrimore, etc... jerry had to answer for those poor drafts that parcells had to fix, even parcells got rid of larry lacewell when he came aboard, but jerry jones has lacewell back now.

[cboyd]

Wow cowboyjoe just because someone said that they know someone that plays on the team does not mean anything. I know people who worked on the team and a player that plays on the team but I dont ask questions to him about football. You see his argument is just as good as mine. Your sources from what you are telling me are very poor sources. You might as well pick someone off the street. The only thing to question about Dez is the NCAA incident and why he postponed the work out. Thats about it really. As far as Dez go lol for information you are not going to fine a bigger fan. I was a fan of his coming out. He was the 9th ranked reciever coming out of highschool according to rivals. The reason why he was not getting much attention was due to grades. He was rated 4 star wr. Oh on a side Note after the combine Gil Brandt was on record as saying that Dez is a top 10 pick. Anyways this is not an argument about do you know in history. Don't try to change the subject here cowboyjoe. Usually people that change the subject usually knows that they are in trouble. The subject that we were arguing what is consider rumor and what is consider false. Cowboyjoe I am a lot closer to the situation than you are. I actually go to Oklahoma State and actually know people close to Dez. Hint Hint! Now if you want to consider a red flag with Dez and the NCAA and his work out being postponed as a red flag, then go ahead. However, if you think that those other rumors are true then you are sorely mistaken and better find better sources than other media people wrote without giving better proof. There is a line between truth and rumor. Which obviously sadly enough you haves no clue the difference between both. The media can be very manipulative if you have not figured that out. They will use false information and try to use it as a fact they also don't give their sources and its always like someone said that they heard something. They do all the time to draw viewers attention. The reason why you can't give me something is not because its a secret its because you have nothing to back it up lol. You just go with the flow even if its a rumor.

[Cover 2]

See thats the deal I have heard things totally different from you. Thats why your statement is just as good as mine. Rumors are spread all the time. So you are telling me that if a rumor is started then there must be something behind the rumor that is true. If you hear a rumor you might as well take it as a grain of salt because rumors are often false. You and I both know that.
Believe what you want. I was one of Dez's biggest fans until I heard the stuff I did from one of his teammates and from the media.

[cowboyjoe]

Believe what you want. I was one of Dez's biggest fans until I heard the stuff I did from one of his teammates and from the media.

Bingo cover 2! You hit the nail on the head.

[cboyd]

Only time will tell. Everyone has their opinions based on the information they recieve on this situation. If it makes you feel better cowboyjoe if he turns out to be a bad seed in the NFL I will come on here and admit I was wrong and you were right. No matter how much we argue neither one of us are going to change our opinions.

[Cover 2]

No, i told you, i have sources (kids at high school that knew dez, I know 3 kids that went to school and knew him), he was late to meetings, practices at high school, drinking etc.... No, rumor but fact! Just like i said, he has huge hands. I did not say any college rumors because i have no sources at college that he went too. Just like the document you sent me, coach outlaw had him called into his office so many times and dez cried. At a certain point in life, you have to come down on the player or he doesnt learn anything. Thats my whole point.

Again, my main point is he has had lack of leadership, authoritive figures in his life to have him toe the mark. Sometimes he did, sometimes not,even you sent that article. Just like the article you sent, the college source decided they would follow him and help him, but they couldnt do it 24/7. Just like cover 2 told you a source told him that his source was a pllayer and that he was drunk at practice.

Now, let me help you read between the lines. when a player is drunk, dont you think the coaches know that, but they let him get away with it and dez was still the most dominat player at wr on the field even drunk. Thats my point, just like reggie mcneal, javorski lane, etc. they followed the wrong crowd, etc and didnt make it in the nfl. I do not again, blame this all on dez, to me, alot lays at the doorstep of coach outlaw for letting him get away with things and showing favortism. This to me is what has hurt Dez, but again, just like in story you posted, his father kicked him out of the house too.What reason we dont know, but 10 to 1, he didnt follow guidelines in the mans house. Inmaturity.

So, Dez has been allowed to get away with things to a degree but when he did get suspended by college for the deion sanders thing, what did dez do? Did he show up at the combine in shape and ready to run? No! Thats the point im trying to make.

Finally, I am not trying to prove I am right or wrong, but that when you draft that top pick, you had better hit on him to help your team for 10 to 12 years. Just like after we got through the white house issue in the 90s, michael irvin issue, erik williams issue, etc... and randy moss was drafted. He had some issues in life, etc.. But we chose to draft greg ellis. People were hollering for the cowboys to clean up their act and players. We just got through cleaning out the locker room with pacman, tank johnson, T O, Greg Ellis, roy williams safety, and others towards players that wanted to play football and were team oriented.

You have to hit on that first round draft choice. Or your dead in the water 3 to 4 years down the road because your draft choices didnt make it.

This is the bottom line with me, just like matt the ex gm of the lions, he got fired for making stupid draft choices within 5 years of taking Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Rogers and Calvin Johnson. You cant keep taking WRs with your very first pick, will come back to bite you. Thats my point.

Just like I said, first 3 players the cowboys looked at in the draft were jason fox, trent williams and dez bryant. Why Dez, with the cowboys picking 27th, because they thought he might fall. Didnt randy moss fall? Didnt the great Jerry Rice fall? But you have to be sure with that pick.

You have to hit with it! Bottom line, i dont care if its dez, or upati, or whomever, but you have to hit with that player with your first pick. We are still suffering some for trading a number one and 3rd draft choice for roy williams. Draft choices are the life blood of your team. I am not the head scout or gm or owner of the cowboys, so i am not responsible for those draft choices. But I do know, if you miss on that top draft choice it sets you back for years. You have to hit. I would be thrilled if Dez says, ok, im going to show you wrong, and prove to the teams that passed on me in the draft, that im going to make them pay for years like randy moss did. That just to me, brings the spunk up in the player to prove people wrong. Just like safety roy williams said once, he wanted to show on person on the cowboyszone that he was wrong about him and he would be a top safety. We all know what happened dont we?

If its something that i said that made Dez or whatever player work harder, prove himself to me and others, then im all for it. Sometimes you have to challenge a player. but you have to hit on that top draft choice. Just like JaMarcus Russell, who is fat and out of shape, but how many years is it taking him now in the NFL? We dont have time for a guy to decide to grow up after 3 years or so.

We are real close to being a superbowl team, we need help now, we dont need another inmature player like Martellus Bennett to decide he will be ready to work hard by his 3rd year or grow up. WE need help now. We have a window that will close in 4-5 years, we need to do it now!
Good post, Joe. I completely agree.

[cowboyjoe]

Wow cowboyjoe just because someone said that they know someone that plays on the team does not mean anything. I know people who worked on the team and a player that plays on the team but I dont ask questions to him about football. You see his argument is just as good as mine. Your sources from what you are telling me are very poor sources. You might as well pick someone off the street. The only thing to question about Dez is the NCAA incident and why he postponed the work out. Thats about it really. As far as Dez go lol for information you are not going to fine a bigger fan. I was a fan of his coming out. He was the 9th ranked reciever coming out of highschool according to rivals. The reason why he was not getting much attention was due to grades. He was rated 4 star wr. Oh on a side Note after the combine Gil Brandt was on record as saying that Dez is a top 10 pick. Anyways this is not an argument about do you know in history. Don't try to change the subject here cowboyjoe. Usually people that change the subject usually knows that they are in trouble. The subject that we were arguing what is consider rumor and what is consider false. Cowboyjoe I am a lot closer to the situation than you are. I actually go to Oklahoma State and actually know people close to Dez. Hint Hint! Now if you want to consider a red flag with Dez and the NCAA and his work out being postponed as a red flag, then go ahead. However, if you think that those other rumors are true then you are sorely mistaken and better find better sources than other media people wrote without giving better proof. There is a line between truth and rumor. Which obviously sadly enough you haves no clue the difference between both. The media can be very manipulative if you have not figured that out. They will use false information and try to use it as a fact they also don't give their sources and its always like someone said that they heard something. They do all the time to draw viewers attention. The reason why you can't give me something is not because its a secret its because you have nothing to back it up lol. You just go with the flow even if its a rumor.

Ha, couldnt answer the questions could you. That really shows how much a cowboys fan you are. As far as poor sources, you are sadly mistaken. You probably dont even know that dez has a scheduled visit with the cowboys do you.

I know about the media and how they are. I dont talk with certain media that just puts out info just what they want. In fact, I have chewed out a couple of media persons for doing just that.

I dont have to give you anything period. I know I am right, and so do alot of others on this board.

And you still didnt answer the questions i asked or mentioned to you about nfl teams asking questions all the way back to high school and junior high did you. That right there shows what little you know about pro football and coaches.

I even showed you a post on dez, and you didnt answer that one either did you, got stumped on that one huh, where private investigators talked about dez can you.

Oh, Ive got you figured out, your one of those persons, that your right no matter what, couldnt be a tad wrong, no matter what. Cant admit that can you. Just like cover 2 showed you where a player on the team said Dez was drunk at practices.

And my sources are very good, because they played with Dez at high school, have you ever played with Dez on the team, in the locker room, etc...

Sure, its high school, but again, teams look at your high school stats etc too.
Evidently you dont know that, because you didnt answer the question on what coach stood up for E Smith to draft him, or the person on the Cowboys staff now that told about E Smiths high school and college records. You didnt even know an easy answer to that one.

Boy, I wished I had some land in Louisiana, sure know who to sell that land too.

When you answer the questions i asked you, i might, just might answer you back, otherwise, ive got to much to do on my war room, posting draft stuff and cowboys info.

[cowboyjoe]

Only time will tell. Everyone has their opinions based on the information they recieve on this situation. If it makes you feel better cowboyjoe if he turns out to be a bad seed in the NFL I will come on here and admit I was wrong and you were right. No matter how much we argue neither one of us are going to change our opinions.

Again, your missing my point, you have to be right as an owner, general manager, or head scout, or you wont have a job very long in the NFL. You have to hit that first round draft choice. Oh, by the way, with dez doing a private interview with the cowboys, what does that imply to you?

Remember, i said way back there, the cowboys interviewed 3 players first and one of them was dez, only way they would consider such a player is if he might fall in the nfl draft.

Randy Moss fell in the draft with his past history, so will dez. I said that over a month ago, several on the board told me no way dez would fall.

We will see who is right. I say Dez will be picked anywhere from the 17th pick to the 27th. But he will fall some in the draft.

The red flags are out on him. Mark it down, he will fall some in the draft.

[cowboyjoe]

Good post, Joe. I completely agree.

thanks cover 2, i agree with you too,

[cboyd]

lol still trying to get off topic cowboyjoe. I could answer those questions. I answered a few but found it rather pointless to argue with an individual that acts like a child who can't stay on topic. The point is you admitted that you have no true sources. If you have sources from highschool kids then you have problems. I mean who is seriously going to take their sources from highschool kids seriously. You are right I am going to think I am right because I have closer sources than you do thats actually happen in college not highschool!!! I trust those sources like you trust your sources. I mean seriously if someone on cowboyszone told you something of a situation that you know about are you going to change your mind??? No. I know some people believe me so really its all what you believe but fact is you have no credible source to back your rumors up. You may believe in these rumors based on what you learn from the highschool kids but the thing is that none of it is even legit even if those highschool kids told you this. You want your sources coming from coaches not players that say "Oh back in the day I played with Dez." I don't need to write on every Dez board to get my point across. I have been just writing on this one. Whats funny is that you know that I am right that you don't have any legit information on Dez.

What you are telling me is that no matter what people do in life they are not going grow up from highschool to college. If they act one way in highschool then they are always going to act this way in life. This is where you have problems cowboyjoe. You are poor analyst becuae you get your sources from highschool kids and believe every rumor out there. You also dont think that kids don't ever mature. I try to end this conversation with respect but you try to start something up like a child.