Earl Thomas or Mike Iupati?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think Id go w/ Iupati and then try and upgrade at safety w/ Atogwe.

Were pretty much at a crisis mode w/ the OL, give me Iupati and a tackle not too much further down. Maybe a guy who needs some time like Veldheer

[TrueBeliever007]

Thomas end of discussion

[Cover 2]

Iupati. Then later on in the draft if we could draft a player to upgrade Procter our o-line would be set for awhile. Depending on how Brewster turns out for us anyway.

Although I wouldn't be upset with Earl Thomas at all. These are my two favorite prospects along with McClain that we have a shot at in the 1st round.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Thomas. No question between the two for me.

[brickman]

Thomas ..... I think Iupati will be gone by the time we draft. Then go OLine in Round 2 or 3.

[SLATEmosphere]

Earl.

I think our defense could be elite with him....as a rookie.

[Rampage]

Morgan Burnett

[UnoDallas]

Iupati

you don't pass on the potential of a OL -

we passed on Mangold in 06 an took B Carp - a Bill decision

hes got a lot of upside could be a major cog in our line for the next 10 years

[Hostile]

Iupati without question for me. I like Thomas, but not enough to go Safety in round 1.

[SLATEmosphere]

Iupati without question for me. I like Thomas, but not enough to go Safety in round 1.

What if he's a Troy Polamalu type of impact player at safety?

I'm sure the Steelers arn't regretting picking him at 17.

[CATCH17]

Earl.

If we use a 1st on oline we should just get Gaither.

[Dash28]

Earl.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Iupati. Alan ball, or Atogwe, or there's a lot of quality safeties later on.

[Big Dakota]

Both are great prospects, both can help, ET now, MI down the road but not far down the road.

I think both are gone if we don't move up so i'll gladly take either one right now.

[Chris in Arizona]

I would be torn if we had our choice of both at pick 27. I think I'd have to go with Earl Thomas because our defensive scheme plus a ballhawking safety will make us scary good and also, Thomas (age 20) is younger.


Would be thrilled with either.

[RS12]

IMO if both players are who we think they are, Earl Thomas would have the greater impact though I am intrigued by Iupati. One of the biggest weakness of the team for years has been pass coverage and safety play. Think of how many 3rd and longs got converted against the Cowboys last year. IF ET has Palamalu or Reed abilities, this defense becomes elite.

[Muhast]

I watched the senior bowl. I don't care what the "intangibles" are. The guy got beat often during that game. How is he going to go against proven vets? No thanks.

Thomas all day

[Biggems]

Thomas.........and then we get OG Newhouse later in the draft.

[Hostile]

What if he's a Troy Polamalu type of impact player at safety?

I'm sure the Steelers arn't regretting picking him at 17.
What if he's a Ken Hamlin type of impact player at Safety?

I feel the position of Safety is fading in importance. OL never will.

[Idgit]

Thomas.

What's the book on Iupati's ability to block on the second level? He doesn't look like he's built for it, and I think that's what niggles at me when it comes to the thought of drafting him.

[jay cee]

I dont know enough about the players to rate which one is the better prospect, but I know offensive line help is a bigger need than than safety help.

[TrueBeliever007]

1. Thomas
2. Jerry
3. Walton
4. Newhouse
6. Geathers
7. Gettis

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Thomas.

What's the book on Iupati's ability to block on the second level? He doesn't look like he's built for it, and I think that's what niggles at me when it comes to the thought of drafting him.

Hes very good at that from what Ive seen. Great instincts in run blocking

[SLATEmosphere]

What if he's a Ken Hamlin type of impact player at Safety?

I feel the position of Safety is fading in importance. OL never will.

What if Iupati struggles?

I guess it goes both ways.:cool:

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What if he's a Ken Hamlin type of impact player at Safety?

I feel the position of Safety is fading in importance. OL never will.

Actually I see just the opposite. The nature of the position has changed from being run defenders etc but a great safety is a defensive game changer and integral to preventing big plays.

[reddyuta]

a playmaking safety vs a guard? not a tough decision at all.

[CATCH17]

a playmaking safety vs a guard? not a tough decision at all.

Better protection for Romo puts the entire offense over the top though.

But in this case its Earl over Iupati. I can't imagine this guy in our secondary and during the season watching him play I thought we had no chance at getting him.

[InmanRoshi]

Iupati, no question. I always believe in the "In the First Round, Draft the Guy Most Likely To End Up in the Hall of Fame" philosophy and that's Iupati. I watched Thomas his entire career at Texas .... nice player, but there is absolutely nothing special about him. You're looking at someone who will likely have a Deon Grant career. Iupati can have an Alan Faneca career. Plus, you might can get Morgan Bennett in the draft, who is every bit as good as Thomas (probably better). There's a world of difference between Iupati and Ducasse, who probably wont even see the field until Year 3.


Also if you believe salaries are paid on the basis of supply and demand, then it's pretty clear guards are more highly valued than safeties in the NFL. I bet the average of what Faneca, Bigg and Hutchinon got the on the market are signicantly higher than what the high paid safeties have got on the market the past few years.

[TheCount]

I'd take either and be ecstatic. If we get Earl, we can grab John Jerry in the 2nd or 3rd and get the best of both worlds.

What if he's a Ken Hamlin type of impact player at Safety?

I feel the position of Safety is fading in importance. OL never will.

I don't think safety is fading, it's more important than ever which is why the athletes back there keep getting better and better.

[Bigdog]

thomas then we can pick Jerry from Mississippi for a guard.

[TheSport78]

What if he's a Ken Hamlin type of impact player at Safety?

I feel the position of Safety is fading in importance. OL never will.

I disagree with this as well. The safety position is becoming more of an important and versatile position. The NFL is a passing league now. If the safety position isn't important, why are two safeties (Berry and Thomas) likely to go in the top 15-20 selections of the draft? You need a safety that can play against the run but more importantly defend the pass on a consistent basis.

[UnoDallas]

I disagree with this as well. The safety position is becoming more of an important and versatile position. The NFL is a passing league now. If the safety position isn't important, why are two safeties (Berry and Thomas) likely to go in the top 15-20 selections of the draft? You need a safety that can play against the run but more importantly defend the pass on a consistent basis.

Hos has already addressed

The NFL evolves all the time. Occasionally it will run in cycles where something from the past comes back, and then it goes away again gradually. Like the 46 Defense. It was huge, then defunct, now it is returning in bits and pieces and will likely fade away again. We'll see the same with the Wildcat Offenses.

We've all noted that Fullback is a position in the NFL just isn't the same as it used to be. There are very few Moose Johnston's anymore. Lorenzo Neal had as much to do with LaDanian Tomlinson's success as Moose did for Emmitt, but FBs like that are not high on priority lists much any more.


that Safeties are the Defensive equivalent. They are going to gradually fade from importance. Mainly because very few of them can cover like a CB and many of them are going to follow the path of Rod Woodson from CB to Safety

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179159

[UnoDallas]

Iupati

Strengths:
Excellent height and bulk --- Huge frame with long arms --- Outstanding strength --- Physical and aggressive --- Superb athlete with good quickness and agility --- Mobile with great range --- Dominant once locked on --- Uses his hands well --- Explosive with a violent initial punch --- Stout at the point of attack --- Gets a terrific push in the run game --- Appears to be a natural knee bender --- Wide base and nice balance --- Has a mean streak and finishes his blocks --- Solid instincts and awareness --- Intense and Competitive --- Hard Worker --- Team Leader --- Offers positional versatility --- Still has considerable upside.

Weaknesses:
Is still raw and learning the game --- Footwork and technique will need refinement --- Feet aren't overly nimble --- Concentration will lapse at times --- Has some trouble in space --- Gets caught reaching --- Minor communication issues --- Did not always play against elite competition.

Notes:
Last name is pronounced "EYE-u-pah-tee" --- Was a three-year starter and a team captain for the Vandals --- A consensus 1st Team All-American in 2009 --- Named 2nd Team All-WAC in 2008 and 1st Team in 2009 --- Played both guard and tackle in college and could project to either position at the next level --- Younger brother, Andrew, plays defensive tackle for the Oregon Ducks --- Didn't begin playing football until he moved to California from American Samoa when he was 14-years-old --- English is his second language, which led to some academic problems and him being lightly recruited by major programs out of high school --- Sat out the 2005 season while getting his grades in order --- Missed some time with a shoulder injury in 2008, which eventually required off-season surgery --- Didn't allow a single sack as a senior --- Fantastic blocker with a rare blend of size and athleticism who hasn't yet reached his full potential --- Legitimate 1st Round talent

[TheSport78]

Hos has already addressed

The NFL evolves all the time. Occasionally it will run in cycles where something from the past comes back, and then it goes away again gradually. Like the 46 Defense. It was huge, then defunct, now it is returning in bits and pieces and will likely fade away again. We'll see the same with the Wildcat Offenses.

We've all noted that Fullback is a position in the NFL just isn't the same as it used to be. There are very few Moose Johnston's anymore. Lorenzo Neal had as much to do with LaDanian Tomlinson's success as Moose did for Emmitt, but FBs like that are not high on priority lists much any more.


that Safeties are the Defensive equivalent. They are going to gradually fade from importance. Mainly because very few of them can cover like a CB and many of them are going to follow the path of Rod Woodson from CB to Safety

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179159

Okay...but I still disagree. Not sure how this disproves what my point of view is?

[Hostile]

Hos has already addressed

The NFL evolves all the time. Occasionally it will run in cycles where something from the past comes back, and then it goes away again gradually. Like the 46 Defense. It was huge, then defunct, now it is returning in bits and pieces and will likely fade away again. We'll see the same with the Wildcat Offenses.

We've all noted that Fullback is a position in the NFL just isn't the same as it used to be. There are very few Moose Johnston's anymore. Lorenzo Neal had as much to do with LaDanian Tomlinson's success as Moose did for Emmitt, but FBs like that are not high on priority lists much any more.


that Safeties are the Defensive equivalent. They are going to gradually fade from importance. Mainly because very few of them can cover like a CB and many of them are going to follow the path of Rod Woodson from CB to Safety

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179159You said it better than I could have so I am just going to thank you for responding.

[SLATEmosphere]

The sig is back!!

We're getting Earl Thomas!!

[UnoDallas]

Okay...but I still disagree. Not sure how this disproves what my point of view is?'

you both are saying the same thing

you

You need a safety that can play against the run but more importantly defend the pass on a consistent basis.

Hos

Mainly because very few of them can cover like a CB and many of them are going to follow the path of Rod Woodson from CB to Safety

[TheSport78]

'

you both are saying the same thing

you

You need a safety that can play against the run but more importantly defend the pass on a consistent basis.

Hos

Mainly because very few of them can cover like a CB and many of them are going to follow the path of Rod Woodson from CB to Safety

Right, I hear you, but that doesn't mean the importance of the safety position is diminishing. I believe it's more critical to find a safety that can matchup with WR's and play solid against the run, but that doesn't mean you can just convert most CB's to safety. Two totally different positions with different responsibilities in terms of matchups and coverage. That's what I was trying to say. It won't be easy to find these players, that's why they come at such a premium. The new breed of safety like Antoine Bethea and Troy Polamulu are two that come to mind.

[Hostile]

Who is the best Safety in the NFL today? Polumalu? I'm going to assume that would be the most popular choice.

Who is the best OG in the NFL today? Chris Snee? Some might argue BIGG. I'd take either one of them, Alan Faneca, or Steve Hutchinson over Polumalu.

Why? Simple, he keeps the QB upright, safe, and opens hole for the run game. I don't say that to disrespect Polumalu whom I think is a great player.

You can ask me the same question about the greatest Safety and Guards in History.

Ronnie Lott? Larry Allen or John Hannah? I will again take the OL guys and I am a serious Ronnie Lott fan.

[jswalker1981]

Who is the best Safety in the NFL today? Polumalu? I'm going to assume that would be the most popular choice.

Who is the best OG in the NFL today? Chris Snee? Some might argue BIGG. I'd take either one of them, Alan Faneca, or Steve Hutchinson over Polumalu.

Why? Simple, he keeps the QB upright, safe, and opens hole for the run game. I don't say that to disrespect Polumalu whom I think is a great player.

You can ask me the same question about the greatest Safety and Guards in History.

Ronnie Lott? Larry Allen or John Hannah? I will again take the OL guys and I am a serious Ronnie Lott fan.

If you have all ten fingers, then you my sir, are not a serious Ronnie Lott fan.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Healthy Ed Reed > Troy Polamalu.

[TheSport78]

Who is the best Safety in the NFL today? Polumalu? I'm going to assume that would be the most popular choice.

Who is the best OG in the NFL today? Chris Snee? Some might argue BIGG. I'd take either one of them, Alan Faneca, or Steve Hutchinson over Polumalu.

Why? Simple, he keeps the QB upright, safe, and opens hole for the run game. I don't say that to disrespect Polumalu whom I think is a great player.

You can ask me the same question about the greatest Safety and Guards in History.

Ronnie Lott? Larry Allen or John Hannah? I will again take the OL guys and I am a serious Ronnie Lott fan.

I'm not debating that, Hos. I wasn't comparing the safety position and it's importance related to the OL.

[Hostile]

I'm not debating that, Hos. I wasn't comparing the safety position and it's importance related to the OL.My post wasn't aimed at anyone. I said it just as a general commentary on why I would take Iupati over Thomas. Both have Pro Bowl potential if they reach their potential. I just happen to think Iupati will go to more of them than Thomas and be a better choice.

[Manwiththeplan]

we passed on Mangold in 06 an took B Carp - a Bill decision

using hindsight, i still wouldn't have taken mangold

[TheSport78]

My post wasn't aimed at anyone. I said it just as a general commentary on why I would take Iupati over Thomas. Both have Pro Bowl potential if they reach their potential. I just happen to think Iupati will go to more of them than Thomas and be a better choice.

I don't have a problem with that. I just have a feeling the Cowboys have them rated pretty evenly on their board. In my opinion, and while I think Iupati is going to have a very solid career, I think if this is the year to take a shot at one of those CB/S tweeners in the first round, this is the year to do it. I've heard a lot of analysts say how this could be the deepest draft since 1983, so if the Cowboys feel there's not a big discrepancy between Mike Iupati and say, Rodger Saffold for example, but there is a big gap between Earl Thomas and Nate Allen for example, then hopefully they would take Thomas. On the other hand, I would have no problem going the other way and taking Iupati. In conclusion, neither Iupati or Thomas will be available when we pick. :laugh2:

[Doomsday101]

I think Id go w/ Iupati and then try and upgrade at safety w/ Atogwe.

Were pretty much at a crisis mode w/ the OL, give me Iupati and a tackle not too much further down. Maybe a guy who needs some time like Veldheer

I admit some bias in wanting Thomas but the main reason is the guys is a ball hawking play maker at safety. I would not be unhappy with Iupati but if it were my call I would select Thomas.

[Manwiththeplan]

And FTR, Mike Iupati. When he's ready to start at LG, this offense will go to the next level

[Chief]

If you go strictly by position, I think offensive line is a bigger need and more important.

But when you compare these two players, I think Earl Thomas is clearly better.

[AKATheRake]

Iupati without a doubt.

[Hostile]

I don't have a problem with that. I just have a feeling the Cowboys have them rated pretty evenly on their board. In my opinion, and while I think Iupati is going to have a very solid career, I think if this is the year to take a shot at one of those CB/S tweeners in the first round, this is the year to do it. I've heard a lot of analysts say how this could be the deepest draft since 1983, so if the Cowboys feel there's not a big discrepancy between Mike Iupati and say, Rodger Saffold for example, but there is a big gap between Earl Thomas and Nate Allen for example, then hopefully they would take Thomas. On the other hand, I would have no problem going the other way and taking Iupati. In conclusion, neither Iupati or Thomas will be available when we pick. :laugh2:I think Cowboys fans have them rated evenly. I doubt the Cowboys do.

[Big Dakota]

I watched the senior bowl. I don't care what the "intangibles" are. The guy got beat often during that game. How is he going to go against proven vets? No thanks.

Thomas all day
Funny how NO scouts bother to watch the game. :rolleyes:

[Dalmations202]

IF the scouts consider Thomas to really be a ball hawking, probowl caliber safety, then I would say Thomas.

Legit ball hawking, playmaker safeties that can tackle, IMO, are harder to come by than guards.

You get what you can while it is available.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I don't have a problem with that. I just have a feeling the Cowboys have them rated pretty evenly on their board. In my opinion, and while I think Iupati is going to have a very solid career, I think if this is the year to take a shot at one of those CB/S tweeners in the first round, this is the year to do it. I've heard a lot of analysts say how this could be the deepest draft since 1983, so if the Cowboys feel there's not a big discrepancy between Mike Iupati and say, Rodger Saffold for example, but there is a big gap between Earl Thomas and Nate Allen for example, then hopefully they would take Thomas. On the other hand, I would have no problem going the other way and taking Iupati. In conclusion, neither Iupati or Thomas will be available when we pick. :laugh2:

IMO there isn't much dropoff at all from Thomas to Allen, but there is from iupati to any other guard. Which is why I think they go with iupati. Hopefully they have the same mindset as me lol. One thing is for sure though, if there's one player the cowboys hope is there at 27 I have no doubt in my mind that it's iupati. So if there both there it's him.

[CATCH17]

Hos has already addressed

The NFL evolves all the time. Occasionally it will run in cycles where something from the past comes back, and then it goes away again gradually. Like the 46 Defense. It was huge, then defunct, now it is returning in bits and pieces and will likely fade away again. We'll see the same with the Wildcat Offenses.

We've all noted that Fullback is a position in the NFL just isn't the same as it used to be. There are very few Moose Johnston's anymore. Lorenzo Neal had as much to do with LaDanian Tomlinson's success as Moose did for Emmitt, but FBs like that are not high on priority lists much any more.


that Safeties are the Defensive equivalent. They are going to gradually fade from importance. Mainly because very few of them can cover like a CB and many of them are going to follow the path of Rod Woodson from CB to Safety

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179159

I just heard Campo on the blitz say that safety has become as important as ever and I would agree.

The style of safety has changed but the importance of safety has increased.

[CATCH17]

And FTR, Mike Iupati. When he's ready to start at LG, this offense will go to the next level

Maybe. Or we lose the dynamics that Kyle Kosier brings by getting out and blocking in space.

As much as we run the power play that has to be a staple for at least one of the guards and from the very little i've seen from Iupati I haven't been impressed with his ability to block in space.

He very well may develop this skill in time though.

[CATCH17]

IMO there isn't much dropoff at all from Thomas to Allen, but there is from iupati to any other guard. Which is why I think they go with iupati. Hopefully they have the same mindset as me lol. One thing is for sure though, if there's one player the cowboys hope is there at 27 I have no doubt in my mind that it's iupati. So if there both there it's him.

I wouldn't say that. Pouncey brings a lot to the table.

[AKATheRake]

I just heard Campo on the blitz say that safety has become as important as ever and I would agree.

The style of safety has changed but the importance of safety has increased.

That's Campo. When I hear it from Jerry, Stephen, our Director of scouting or Wade, then I`ll put some merit into it. Just some.

But Campo`s a DB coach. I also take into consideration this is now a passing league, which calls for more quality DB`s on a team, but the safety position is still not considered a position where more than 2 or 3 players will get taken in the first round. Usually its 2 or less.

[CATCH17]

That's Campo. When I hear it from Jerry, Stephen, our Director of scouting or Wade, then I`ll put some merit into it. Just some.

But Campo`s a DB coach. I also take into consideration this is now a passing league, which calls for more quality DB`s on a team, but the safety position is still not considered a position where more than 2 or 3 players will get taken in the first round. Usually its 2 or less.

There isn't very many elite safeties that come out every year.


The thing that seperates Thomas, like others have said, is that he is just as much a corner as he is a safety.

He is a way better Alan Ball. A guy who will save roster spots because of his versatility to play multiple positions.

And LOL @ discrediting Campo of his knowledge of the position and deffering to Stephen / Jerry.

The contract they gave Hamlin says a lot of what they think about the position.

[Doomsday101]

That's Campo. When I hear it from Jerry, Stephen, our Director of scouting or Wade, then I`ll put some merit into it. Just some.

But Campo`s a DB coach. I also take into consideration this is now a passing league, which calls for more quality DB`s on a team, but the safety position is still not considered a position where more than 2 or 3 players will get taken in the first round. Usually its 2 or less.

You go by the talent not so much the position. Heck QB is very important but more than likely on 2 QB's will go in the 1st rd it has nothing to do with the importance of the position but the talent out there waiting to be drafted.

[DFWJC]

Although I wouldn't be upset with Earl Thomas at all. These are my two favorite prospects along with McClain that we have a shot at in the 1st round.
Uh, no shot at McClain...imo.

If somehow we could get Iupati and Allen, that would be sweet.

[TheCount]

Who is the best Safety in the NFL today? Polumalu? I'm going to assume that would be the most popular choice.

Who is the best OG in the NFL today? Chris Snee? Some might argue BIGG. I'd take either one of them, Alan Faneca, or Steve Hutchinson over Polumalu.

Why? Simple, he keeps the QB upright, safe, and opens hole for the run game. I don't say that to disrespect Polumalu whom I think is a great player.

You can ask me the same question about the greatest Safety and Guards in History.

Ronnie Lott? Larry Allen or John Hannah? I will again take the OL guys and I am a serious Ronnie Lott fan.

I don't think there is even an argument about the importance of offensive lineman or o-line play.

[UnoDallas]

Maybe. Or we lose the dynamics that Kyle Kosier brings by getting out and blocking in space.

As much as we run the power play that has to be a staple for at least one of the guards and from the very little i've seen from Iupati I haven't been impressed with his ability to block in space.

He very well may develop this skill in time though.

I guess you never watched any of his games

an how do you block space ? jk

so I guess that why other teams ahead of us taking him - according to the mocks - because hes not good

[CATCH17]

I guess you never watched any of his games

an how do you block space ? jk

so I guess that why other teams ahead of us taking him - according to the mocks - because hes not good

Never said that and i'd be fine with drafting Iupati. Just not over Earl Thomas and not over picking up an extra 3 or 4 + Pouncey.

[Hostile]

I don't think there is even an argument about the importance of offensive lineman or o-line play.No, but we're in need of both and an impact OG player is worth more than an impact Safety is. If we were talking CB vs. OG, I'd probably say CB over OG. OT over CB, etc.

I am just talking analysis of needs and overall long term impact. I take OL need over Safety need.

[Rampage]

No, but we're in need of both and an impact OG player is worth more than an impact Safety is. If we were talking CB vs. OG, I'd probably say CB over OG. OT over CB, etc.

I am just talking analysis of needs and overall long term impact. I take OL need over Safety need.
so we should take the samoan in the 1st and get Burnett in the 2nd. gotcha:D

[dbair1967]

I think Id go w/ Iupati and then try and upgrade at safety w/ Atogwe.

Were pretty much at a crisis mode w/ the OL, give me Iupati and a tackle not too much further down. Maybe a guy who needs some time like Veldheer

I'd take Thomas and not even think about it.

You can get quality interior OL's later, but if Thomas is there he's a potential impact player due do his playmaking ability. Lack of turnovers is the only thing holding this defense back from being dominant.

Like Iupati, but he might need a year or so to develop and refine his technique. Thomas, even if he doesnt start probably has a signifncant role in the nickel/dime defense from day one, and can probably flex out to CB if needed as well.

[dbair1967]

What if he's a Ken Hamlin type of impact player at Safety?

I feel the position of Safety is fading in importance. OL never will.

You can play the what if game the other way too, Iupati might struggle. He certainly didnt appear dominant in the Senior Bowl game, and according to Mayock could have been flagged for 4 or 5 holding calls in the bowl game Idaho played in.

There's no denying Thomas makes a ton of plays, he's a ballhawk. You can try and say safety isnt important but a FS who can play in space, make plays on the ball AND have the ability to line up at CB is invaluable to a defense.

I've always thought spending premium picks on interior OL's wasnt necessary. the fact we won 3 super bowls with nobody drafted higher than Larry Allen (mid 2nd) in 1994 is proof.

Not saying I am totally against drafting Iupati, but if it were a choice between the two there's no question in my mind that Thomas would probably have the biggest impact on the team.

[dbair1967]

No, but we're in need of both and an impact OG player is worth more than an impact Safety is. If we were talking CB vs. OG, I'd probably say CB over OG. OT over CB, etc.

I am just talking analysis of needs and overall long term impact. I take OL need over Safety need.

The guards arnt the weak link of the OL. The worst game we had this yr in terms of OL play was due to Adams being hurt and Colombo playing terrible.

Kosier isnt a great player, but he isnt a scrub. Gurode and Davis are legit probowlers.

Thomas reminds me some of Ed Reed. Adding an Ed Reed to this defense takes us from very good to dominant. I dont see where adding a guard takes the offense to another level. Upgrades at the tackles, maybe.

[Hostile]

You can play the what if game the other way too, Iupati might struggle. He certainly didnt appear dominant in the Senior Bowl game, and according to Mayock could have been flagged for 4 or 5 holding calls in the bowl game Idaho played in.

There's no denying Thomas makes a ton of plays, he's a ballhawk. You can try and say safety isnt important but a FS who can play in space, make plays on the ball AND have the ability to line up at CB is invaluable to a defense.

I've always thought spending premium picks on interior OL's wasnt necessary. the fact we won 3 super bowls with nobody drafted higher than Larry Allen (mid 2nd) in 1994 is proof.

Not saying I am totally against drafting Iupati, but if it were a choice between the two there's no question in my mind that Thomas would probably have the biggest impact on the team.Read back further. He started the what if game. Lecture him and leave me alone.

Bully.






:wink2:

[Hostile]

The guards arnt the weak link of the OL. The worst game we had this yr in terms of OL play was due to Adams being hurt and Colombo playing terrible.

Kosier isnt a great player, but he isnt a scrub. Gurode and Davis are legit probowlers.

Thomas reminds me some of Ed Reed. Adding an Ed Reed to this defense takes us from very good to dominant. I dont see where adding a guard takes the offense to another level. Upgrades at the tackles, maybe.Color me real skeptical he is anywhere like Ed Reed.

[SLATEmosphere]

Who is the best Safety in the NFL today? Polumalu? I'm going to assume that would be the most popular choice.

Who is the best OG in the NFL today? Chris Snee? Some might argue BIGG. I'd take either one of them, Alan Faneca, or Steve Hutchinson over Polumalu.

Why? Simple, he keeps the QB upright, safe, and opens hole for the run game. I don't say that to disrespect Polumalu whom I think is a great player.

You can ask me the same question about the greatest Safety and Guards in History.

Ronnie Lott? Larry Allen or John Hannah? I will again take the OL guys and I am a serious Ronnie Lott fan.

Iupati is just one guy that keeps the QB upright. What about the other 4 guys? It won't mean much when the Tackles are revolving doors.

[dbair1967]

Color me real skeptical he is anywhere like Ed Reed.

But you have people saying Iupati is like Larry Allen, and thats even more far fetched.

Thomas reminds me of Reed in that they both have tremendous range and instincts for how to take the right angles to the ball.

[Hostile]

But you have people saying Iupati is like Larry Allen, and thats even more far fetched.

Thomas reminds me of Reed in that they both have tremendous range and instincts for how to take the right angles to the ball.Berry reminds me of Reed. Thomas doesn't.

[Hostile]

Iupati is just one guy that keeps the QB upright. What about the other 4 guys? It won't mean much when the Tackles are revolving doors.Luckily for us ours aren't I guess.

I'll look for the sky to fall another day.

[SLATEmosphere]

Luckily for us ours aren't I guess.

I'll look for the sky to fall another day.

Columbo's wheels have fallen off and is looking old. He migh last the first 7 weeks but he breaks down as the season goes on.

I'd rather draft a top Tackle over a safety or OG.

[Hostile]

Columbo's wheels have fallen off and is looking old. He migh last the first 7 weeks but he breaks down as the season goes on.

I'd rather draft a top Tackle over a safety or OG.http://disney-clipart.com/Chicken-Little/Disney-Chicken-Little.jpg

[SLATEmosphere]

http://disney-clipart.com/Chicken-Little/Disney-Chicken-Little.jpg

lol wow alright.

Good talk.

[Hostile]

lol wow alright.

Good talk.
He broke his leg last year, so he's going to fall apart after 7 games from now on right?

Yeah, real nice talk. Unfortunately it was talking without thinking.

[DFWJC]

No, but we're in need of both and an impact OG player is worth more than an impact Safety is. If we were talking CB vs. OG, I'd probably say CB over OG. OT over CB, etc.

I am just talking analysis of needs and overall long term impact. I take OL need over Safety need.
Yeah, I'd say order of importance by position
franchise QB
franchise left OT
premier edge rusher
shut down corner

[TheCount]

He broke his leg last year, so he's going to fall apart after 7 games form now on right?

Yeah, real nice talk. Unfortunately it was talking without thinking.

Hos is right. Columbo played pretty well last year till the last two games. I still think we should have let Free finish out the year, we all knew he'd be rusty.

[dbair1967]

Berry reminds me of Reed. Thomas doesn't.

What does Berry do that Thomas doesnt? He's a little bigger and might be a tad more phyical vs the run, but the two guys are very similar.

Thomas is a ballhawk, the guy makes plays. He covers a ton of ground and alot of teams think he can line up and play CB.

[UnoDallas]

But you have people saying Iupati is like Larry Allen, and thats even more far fetched.

Thomas reminds me of Reed in that they both have tremendous range and instincts for how to take the right angles to the ball.


but you are comparing Thomas to Ed Reed ? that s a little far fetched also

you build a team from the Oline out IMO

and name one G with the potential of Iupati

[Hostile]

What does Berry do that Thomas doesnt? He's a little bigger and might be a tad more phyical vs the run, but the two guys are very similar.

Thomas is a ballhawk, the guy makes plays. He covers a ton of ground and alot of teams think he can line up and play CB.I'm not a fan of Safeties in the 1st round. If we take Thomas, fine. I'm okay with it. I like Thomas just fine. But truth be told the only Safety I would take in round 1 is Berry. Other will disagree. Some vehemently. That's cool.

I think Safety is an evolving position and OL depth is a bigger need for this team. To that end if I had a choice I would not even hesitate. Right now, the only player who would make me change my mind if he was to fall is probably McClain.

[dbair1967]

but you are comparing Thomas to Ed Reed ? that s a little far fetched also

you build a team from the Oline out IMO

and name one G with the potential of Iupati

Thomas has that kind of range, yeah. He makes alot of plays on the ball, will he be Reed? Have no idea.

But Reed isnt the best safety of all time, and Larry Allen IS the best OL of all time. He was one of the most dominant players, regardless of position the league has ever seen.

[dbair1967]

I'm not a fan of Safeties in the 1st round. If we take Thomas, fine. I'm okay with it. I like Thomas just fine. But truth be told the only Safety I would take in round 1 is Berry. Other will disagree. Some vehemently. That's cool.

I think Safety is an evolving position and OL depth is a bigger need for this team. To that end if I had a choice I would not even hesitate. Right now, the only player who would make me change my mind if he was to fall is probably McClain.

And I'm not a fan of drafting interior OL's with high draft picks, never have been. Two of the best OL we've ever had (and arguably the two most dominant of the 90's) were drafted with 2nd and 3rd rd picks. We won three Super Bowls from 92-95 and not one OL was picked in the first round. Now Allen and Williams were tremendous talents, but guys like Tuinei, Newton, Stepnoski, Gesek and Gogan were hard working, technically solid OL who were extremely well coached. Our OL was the best in football from 91-95.

Interior OL's dont put teams over the top. But a guy who comes in and forces alot of turnovers does put an already solid defense over the top.

Ultimately I have no problem with either guy, also like some other OL's with our 1st rd pick.

[Muhast]

Funny how NO scouts bother to watch the game. :rolleyes:

Everybody bashed his performance and then forgot about it b/c of how great he looked all week in drills.

He didn't go against any top talent, and the one opportunity to do so, he struggled mightily.

I am not jumping on the bandwagon on that one. I don't want anything to do with him or Campbell.

[CATCH17]

Columbo's wheels have fallen off and is looking old. He migh last the first 7 weeks but he breaks down as the season goes on.

I'd rather draft a top Tackle over a safety or OG.

I'd rather have Jared Gaither over Earl Thomas.


If Dallas thinks Free is the eventual guy at Left Tackle than now is the time to tell Flozell goodbye because @ 35 all he is is a progress stopper.

My opinion though is that Flozell is still a much better player than Free and Gaither is better than both.

Iupati would be fine but this oline doesn't improve starting with Kyle Kosier. It starts with Flozell.

[CATCH17]

I think a better question is Anthony Davis or Earl Thomas?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

DraftCountdown

Now that the Eagles released Shawn Andrews they may go offensive line in Round 1. Idaho's Mike Iupati would be a perfect fit in Philly.

hmmmm

[Rampage]

the draft can't get here soon enough

[SLATEmosphere]

He broke his leg last year, so he's going to fall apart after 7 games from now on right?

Yeah, real nice talk. Unfortunately it was talking without thinking.

He's 32 and has had multiple leg injuries.

Silly me thinking he's going to break down real soon...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not a fan of Safeties in the 1st round. If we take Thomas, fine. I'm okay with it. I like Thomas just fine. But truth be told the only Safety I would take in round 1 is Berry. Other will disagree. Some vehemently. That's cool.

I think Safety is an evolving position and OL depth is a bigger need for this team. To that end if I had a choice I would not even hesitate. Right now, the only player who would make me change my mind if he was to fall is probably McClain.

If safety is an evolving position don't you think that Thomas is the type of safety the position is evolving into?

I like Iupati but I like who he would be replacing. Not so much with Thomas' would be predecessor.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's 32 and has had multiple leg injuries.

Silly me thinking he's going to break down real soon...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

He had a torn knee before. A broken leg is completely unrelated and quite frankly has very little longterm debilitating effects.

[Hostile]

He's 32 and has had multiple leg injuries.

Silly me thinking he's going to break down real soon...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:Exactly. Silly.

[TheSport78]

Not sure how someone can say an interior lineman like Mike Iupati can have more of an impact than a ballhawking, play-making safety like Earl Thomas. That's a pretty ridiculous statement if you ask me.

The Dallas safeties have two interceptions the past two YEARS. A play-making safety would put this defense over the top. Interior linemen can be hidden, and there's no guarantee Iupati would even see the FIELD in his rookie year.

Yeah, the safety position is evolving into a versatile position, which makes it even MORE important because you do not find those players by calling 1-800 T-W-E-E-N-E-R. The safety position has become MORE important in the NFL.

[UnoDallas]

Not sure how someone can say an interior lineman like Mike Iupati can have more of an impact than a ballhawking, play-making safety like Earl Thomas. That's a pretty ridiculous statement if you ask me.

The Dallas safeties have two interceptions the past two YEARS. A play-making safety would put this defense over the top. Interior linemen can be hidden, and there's no guarantee Iupati would even see the FIELD in his rookie year.

Yeah, the safety position is evolving into a versatile position, which makes it even MORE important because you do not find those players by calling 1-800 T-W-E-E-N-E-R. The safety position has become MORE important in the NFL.


we all get that

theres no guarantee that Thomas sees the feild this year either ?

and you think having a dominant OG would not help the team

I do not get that logic

and yet you seem so sure Iupati won't ?

IMO Iupati's the target right now

[TheSport78]

we all get that

theres no guarantee that Thomas sees the feild this year either ?

and you think having a dominant OG would not help the team

I do not get that logic

and yet you seem so sure Iupati won't ?

IMO Iupati's the target right now

Who has the better chance to start though; Thomas or Iupati?

Kosier is in a contract year and isn't going anywhere.

Hamlin isn't a lock to even make the team so the opportunity would be there for Thomas. Having a dominant player at any position would help the team, I'm not debating that, but a dominant safety would be better than a dominant OG.

[CATCH17]

we all get that

theres no guarantee that Thomas sees the feild this year either ?

and you think having a dominant OG would not help the team

I do not get that logic

and yet you seem so sure Iupati won't ?

IMO Iupati's the target right now

Iupati is awfully raw to throw around words like dominant. If anything Thomas is more of the sure thing between the 2.

[CATCH17]

Who has the better chance to start though; Thomas or Iupati?

Kosier is in a contract year and isn't going anywhere.

Hamlin isn't a lock to even make the team so the opportunity would be there for Thomas. Having a dominant player at any position would help the team, I'm not debating that, but a dominant safety would be better than a dominant OG.

And Kosier brings a lot more to the table than Hamlin does. Kosier actually gives our Oline dynamics that some of the other guys just don't bring.

The thing I liked about Doug Free @ RT is with he and Kosier on opposite sides gave us 2 dynamic guys on each side of the line that blended in well with the road graders in place.

Maybe thats the way to go with Oline now days if you want to be a physical team? Have a couple finesse guys mixed in with your 340 pound bullies.

[TheSport78]

And Kosier brings a lot more to the table than Hamlin does. Kosier actually gives our Oline dynamics that some of the other guys just don't bring.

The thing I liked about Doug Free @ RT is with he and Kosier on opposite sides gave us 2 dynamic guys on each side of the line that blended in well with the road graders in place.

Maybe thats the way to go with Oline now days if you want to be a physical team? Have a couple finesse guys mixed in with your 340 pound bullies.

Agreed. Those are good points. It was nice to see some great athleticism in Free and Kosier last year. While I would definitely pick Thomas over Iupati, we need a draft an interior lineman somewhere early in the draft to develop this year, so he's ready to take over for Kosier in 2011, especially if Brewster will be working exclusively at RT.

[CATCH17]

Agreed. Those are good points. It was nice to see some great athleticism in Free and Kosier last year. While I would definitely pick Thomas over Iupati, we need a draft an interior lineman somewhere early in the draft to develop this year, so he's ready to take over for Kosier in 2011, especially if Brewster will be working exclusively at RT.

Agreed and for me Pouncey seems like a better fit at the LG position. He is basically a better Max Unger but I doubt we have a shot at Pouncey unless we target him with our 1st pick.

[TheSport78]

Agreed and for me Pouncey seems like a better fit at the LG position. He is basically a better Max Unger but I doubt we have a shot at Pouncey unless we target him with our 1st pick.

I'm a Pouncey supporter as well but like you said, he won't be available with our second round pick. I doubt Rodger Saffold would be there either but who knows. We've been linked to Mitch Petrus so he could be on our radar in the 3rd or 4th round. Maybe a guy like Marshall Newhouse could slide inside as well, he's a name I've heard quite a bit around here. I'd love Saffold, Petrus or Newhouse somewhere in the draft.

[Oh_Canada]

This is would be a brutal decision either way. However, I just think a playmaking safety is such a difference maker that it trumps a quality interior lineman. Now if there were evidence that Iaputi could swing out to tackle and become a solid OT than it would be a no brainer the other way. However, I don't think the big Samoan has the feet to play tackle, so I would go Thomas and then John Jerry, Fox, or Ducasse later on.

[Oh_Canada]

This is would be a brutal decision to have to make either way as both these guys should be very good players in the NFL. However, I just think a playmaking safety is such a difference maker that it trumps a quality interior lineman. Now if there were evidence that Iaputi could swing out to tackle and become a solid OT than it would be a no brainer the other way. However, I don't think the big Samoan has the feet to play tackle, so I would go Thomas and then John Jerry, Fox, or Ducasse later on.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

DraftCountdown

I doubt either will be there at #27. Thomas addresses the bigger need though. RT @boldin69: Mike Iupati or Earl Thomas for Dallas?