Jordan Shipley?

[Galian Beast]

Who is interested in this guy?

I don't really watch college football, so I don't really see what players are good until around draft time. Didn't know about this guy until he was mentioned on ESPN.

Looked him up.

The kid has all major texas high school football receiving records.

Played with Stephen McGee in HS.

The thing that stands out the most to me about him though is his receptions. #2 in 2009-2010 season in receptions.

Thats what Im looking for in a receiver for Romo. Someone who gets open and catches the ball... crazy huh?

If we can draft him in the 4th or 5th round, I would see that as very Romo friendly.

[xpistofer]

Who is interested in this guy?

I don't really watch college football, so I don't really see what players are good until around draft time. Didn't know about this guy until he was mentioned on ESPN.

Looked him up.

The kid has all major texas high school football receiving records.

Played with Stephen McGee in HS.

The thing that stands out the most to me about him though is his receptions. #2 in 2009-2010 season in receptions.

Thats what Im looking for in a receiver for Romo. Someone who gets open and catches the ball... crazy huh?

If we can draft him in the 4th or 5th round, I would see that as very Romo friendly.

i'd be cool with him in the 3rd...

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Who is interested in this guy?

I don't really watch college football, so I don't really see what players are good until around draft time. Didn't know about this guy until he was mentioned on ESPN.

Looked him up.

The kid has all major texas high school football receiving records.

Played with Stephen McGee in HS.

The thing that stands out the most to me about him though is his receptions. #2 in 2009-2010 season in receptions.

Thats what Im looking for in a receiver for Romo. Someone who gets open and catches the ball... crazy huh?

If we can draft him in the 4th or 5th round, I would see that as very Romo friendly.


If you want Shipley then Crayton has to go...which many people wouldn't want. Plus I can't see him matching Crayton production his first couple years.

[xWraithx]

I'll go ahead and say it for the fools who will undoubtedly do it ahead of me: "he has the potential to be the next Wes Welker!"

[Galian Beast]

I'll go ahead and say it for the fools who will undoubtedly do it ahead of me: "he has the potential to be the next Wes Welker!"

He doesn't seem at all like Wes Welker. I might still play him in the slot in the NFL, but I like his speed and his ability to seemingly catch whatever is thrown at him.

The only thing i see in him from wes welker is that you could call them both possession receivers. Although wes welker is more of a yac guy i think.

[Doomsday101]

I like Shipley and would love to have him on the team. He is a very good WR, very good return man and even holds on extra points and FG and where he has used his skills in fake situation to keep the chains moving. I think the guy is a very heady player and is going to be a good pro

[Galian Beast]

If you want Shipley then Crayton has to go...which many people wouldn't want. Plus I can't see him matching Crayton production his first couple years.

Im not at all tied to Patrick Crayton.

[joseephuss]

If you want Shipley then Crayton has to go...which many people wouldn't want. Plus I can't see him matching Crayton production his first couple years.

That is not necessarily true. Shipley or whomever can sit and learn for a couple of years behind Crayton. Crayton is about to turn 31, so it would be a good idea to develop his replacement. I like Shipley in the 4th and even better in the 5th.

[Galian Beast]

That is not necessarily true. Shipley or whomever can sit and learn for a couple of years behind Crayton. Crayton is about to turn 31, so it would be a good idea to develop his replacement. I like Shipley in the 4th and even better in the 5th.

exactly, and this dude is a long time football player. He had what 6 years at UT?

Also a kick returner.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

That is not necessarily true. Shipley or whomever can sit and learn for a couple of years behind Crayton. Crayton is about to turn 31, so it would be a good idea to develop his replacement. I like Shipley in the 4th and even better in the 5th.

No, that wouldn't be such a good idea because Shipley is more then capable starting day one. Him on the bench would be a waste IMO. What if Jerry drafts a Dez Bryant or a Golden Tate? Should they sit on the bench for a couple years behind Crayton to?

[casmith07]

Crayton's replacement is already on the team.

Kevin Ogletree. Write it down, sign it, put it in an envelope, stamp it, ship it, receive it, and open it back up.

But, I wouldn't mind having another receiver on the roster as insurance. I would much rather have McCluster or Golden Tate over 4.57 Shipley. With Jason Garrett poised to take over the offense and the team more after this year and wanting to run a more explosive style offense (think New Orleans) players like Tate and McCluster make much more sense than Shipley.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Crayton's replacement is already on the team.

Kevin Ogletree. Write it down, sign it, put it in an envelope, stamp it, ship it, receive it, and open it back up.

But, I wouldn't mind having another receiver on the roster as insurance. I would much rather have McCluster or Golden Tate over 4.57 Shipley. With Jason Garrett poised to take over the offense and the team more after this year and wanting to run a more explosive style offense (think New Orleans) players like Tate and McCluster make much more sense than Shipley.


If KO is Craytons replacement where would Tate play?

[casmith07]

If KO is Craytons replacement where would Tate play?

I was insinuating that Roy Williams would be gone after another year of mediocre performance.

I think our situation will look more like Austin, Crayton, Ogletree, Hurd, <player yet to be acquired> in the future.

Jerry Jones really likes Sam Hurd. He's just buried on the depth chart.

[TheCount]

I'm interested if he's a value pick and he grades out well on REAL scout boards.

[Dalmations202]

isn't that the key. Getting value.

Dallas has no pure needs. They have some needs for perceived backups and upgrades, but no pure needs.

Examples:
Heck if Earl Thomas falls to 27 pick him up (this goes for any top 20 players)
if Terrance Cody is around late in the 2nd -- his is value there.
Shipley still on the board in the 3rd - pounce.

Heck if Colt McCoy falls to the 4th -- pick him up. Dallas doesn't need a QB, but if you have him rated as a late 1 early 2 and he is available late 4 -- take a chance. It isn't as if you have any real needs. (What if someone goes down - don't cut it).

Players can be found in any round, but Dallas has set itself up to get the best player available anytime.

[joseephuss]

No, that wouldn't be such a good idea because Shipley is more then capable starting day one. Him on the bench would be a waste IMO. What if Jerry drafts a Dez Bryant or a Golden Tate? Should they sit on the bench for a couple years behind Crayton to?

You don't just get rid of productive players. Crayton is a productive player. I would rather have too many guys than too few. With too few you are one injury away from having none. There is no reason to get rid of Crayton yet. More than likely Sam Hurd is the existing wide receiver who will not be on the team once the new season starts. Shipley or whomever else can fill his role. And if Shipley is good enough to start right away there is nothing wrong with sliding Crayton into a back up role. Why cut him if he can still be a valuable back up?

Crayton is the most consistent wide receiver on the team. Miles Austin had a great year and I hope and think he can continue that, but he still has to prove it. Roy Williams is Roy Williams. Crayton is really the only one who has gone several years as a productive wide receiver in Dallas.

And I don't care about who it is, but Dallas will probably add a receiver to the team. Whomever they choose will hopefully contribute in some fashion and the Cowboys will not need to cut Crayton to make that happen.

[casmith07]

isn't that the key. Getting value.

Dallas has no pure needs. They have some needs for perceived backups and upgrades, but no pure needs.

Examples:
Heck if Earl Thomas falls to 27 pick him up (this goes for any top 20 players)
if Terrance Cody is around late in the 2nd -- his is value there.
Shipley still on the board in the 3rd - pounce.

Heck if Colt McCoy falls to the 4th -- pick him up. Dallas doesn't need a QB, but if you have him rated as a late 1 early 2 and he is available late 4 -- take a chance. It isn't as if you have any real needs. (What if someone goes down - don't cut it).

Players can be found in any round, but Dallas has set itself up to get the best player available anytime.

You'd probably last all of 10 seconds in an NFL GM job interview.

[Dalmations202]

You'd probably last all of 10 seconds in an NFL GM job interview.

Maybe, but I had a job for a few years that had a 13 second life expectancy -- so 10 is almost there.

<edit>
Romo and Austin went undrafted. Tom Brady make it to the 6th round.
Every player I listed has a chance - to be a playmaker...... so even though I might not make 10 seconds into the interview -- GM's haven't shown me much over the years.

[CowboyFan74]

Shipley, Gilyard, or McCluster. Get us a guy who can return the ball and make a few plays in the slot with limited reps for a year or two before we put the vets out to pasture and then bam, full time starter born..

[casmith07]

Maybe, but I had a job for a few years that had a 13 second life expectancy -- so 10 is almost there.

<edit>
Romo and Austin went undrafted. Tom Brady make it to the 6th round.
Every player I listed has a chance - to be a playmaker...... so even though I might not make 10 seconds into the interview -- GM's haven't shown me much over the years.

You don't draft Colt McCoy on this team. You just don't. There are too many other positions that you could draft that have a much bigger chance of making a marked impact on the team. Colt McCoy would be the third string quarterback at BEST, and camp fodder at the worst, with camp fodder being the 90% solution in this case.

You have to assess the roster, then needs, then wants. I applaud the outside-the-box thinking...but teams that draft like that don't end up doing much in the post-season or getting there at all in the first place.

[Dalmations202]

You don't draft Colt McCoy on this team. You just don't. There are too many other positions that you could draft that have a much bigger chance of making a marked impact on the team. Colt McCoy would be the third string quarterback at BEST, and camp fodder at the worst, with camp fodder being the 90% solution in this case.

You have to assess the roster, then needs, then wants. I applaud the outside-the-box thinking...but teams that draft like that don't end up doing much in the post-season or getting there at all in the first place.

I read a quote years ago when (I think it was) Tom Landry said the biggest mistake he ever made drafting was when they didn't draft Joe Montana -- because they had Danny White, and didn't need a QB.

He said that Montana was the highest ranked guy on his board, and he still should have taken him anyway.

Dallas has no real needs right now -- and IF you have him as a 1st or 2nd round talent -- and it is the 4th round, IMO you take him regardless of position. You can always trade him later for the higher pick IF he really has that talent.

[Doomsday101]

You don't draft Colt McCoy on this team. You just don't. There are too many other positions that you could draft that have a much bigger chance of making a marked impact on the team. Colt McCoy would be the third string quarterback at BEST, and camp fodder at the worst, with camp fodder being the 90% solution in this case.

You have to assess the roster, then needs, then wants. I applaud the outside-the-box thinking...but teams that draft like that don't end up doing much in the post-season or getting there at all in the first place.

I would agree. I have seen some decent OL player listed as later rd picks such as TCU Newhouse.

[joseephuss]

I read a quote years ago when (I think it was) Tom Landry said the biggest mistake he ever made drafting was when they didn't draft Joe Montana -- because they had Danny White, and didn't need a QB.

He said that Montana was the highest ranked guy on his board, and he still should have taken him anyway.

Dallas has no real needs right now -- and IF you have him as a 1st or 2nd round talent -- and it is the 4th round, IMO you take him regardless of position. You can always trade him later for the higher pick IF he really has that talent.

McCoy is no Montana.

[Doomsday101]

McCoy is no Montana.

Let me guess. You knew Joe Montana and Colt McCoy is no Joe Montana. :lmao2:

[casmith07]

I read a quote years ago when (I think it was) Tom Landry said the biggest mistake he ever made drafting was when they didn't draft Joe Montana -- because they had Danny White, and didn't need a QB.

He said that Montana was the highest ranked guy on his board, and he still should have taken him anyway.

Dallas has no real needs right now -- and IF you have him as a 1st or 2nd round talent -- and it is the 4th round, IMO you take him regardless of position. You can always trade him later for the higher pick IF he really has that talent.

Is Colt McCoy the next Montana? No.

[Dalmations202]

McCoy is no Montana.

Joe Montana
Height: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) Weight: 205 lb (93 kg)
NFL Draft: 1979 / Round: 3 / Pick: 82
Despite his performance on the field, Montana was not rated highly by most scouts. At one combine, Montana rated out as six-and-a-half overall with a six in arm strength, used to judge how hard and how far a prospect could throw the ball.

Colt McCoy
Height: 6 ft 1 in (1.85 m) Weight: 216 lb (98 kg)
NFL Draft: Unknown
Opinions over McCoy's potential in the NFL has been mixed. Frank Cooney of USA Today notes that McCoy "fired mostly from a shotgun, has a low release point and might lack an NFL fastball." He is listed by Cooney as the 3rd best QB draft choice, behind Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen.

So Maybe Colt isn't a Montana -- yet to be seen. He was definitely a winning QB in college.

I am not sure how anyone knows that McCoy isn't a Montana when he has never played a down in the NFL yet though. Maybe he isn't, but in size he is close. Scouts seem to think about the same of him coming out of college as they did Montana. Who knows, opinions are opinions.

[Dalmations202]

Is Colt McCoy the next Montana? No.

How do you know this?

I didn't think Montana would be very good when I watched him in the Cotton bowl, just thought he got lucky. That luck just seemed to stay with him for a long long time though.

[Doomsday101]

How do you know this?

I didn't think Montana would be very good when I watched him in the Cotton bowl, just thought he got lucky. That luck just seemed to stay with him for a long long time though.

I'm a big Horns fan and loved watching Colt however it seems many of the QB's who have come out of the spread offense have struggled in the NFL. Montana came out of a program who was already running more of a pro style offense and while there were question of Montana size and arm strength coming out of college I think there are more question marks with Colt,Tebow as well as Bradford. I wish the best to Colt but I would rather continue to work with McGee

[Dalmations202]

I'm a big Horns fan and loved watching Colt however it seems many of the QB's who have come out of the spread offense have struggled in the NFL. Montana came out of a program who was already running more of a pro style offense and while there were question of Montana size and arm strength coming out of college I think there are more question marks with Colt,Tebow as well as Bradford. I wish the best to Colt but I would rather continue to work with McGee

Here is what's funny. I am an Aggie. I guess I value what has been done on the field as much as the potential. McGee may be great (certainly prototypical size and great arm strength), but McCoy I watched do it in college. He seems to be a very cerebral player. Why not get both?

My point on all this wasn't that Dallas should draft McCoy, but that if he is rated on your board as the 30th talent, and you are picking at 108 -- and the next closest guy on your board is 88th to 107th talent -- then you take the guy you have listed as the 30th talent because he is value at that point.

I really just used him as an example that kind of snowballed.

<edit>
might as well get Shipley as well, that way you have Shipleys high school and college QB's. Someone should be able to get him the ball......LOL

[Doomsday101]

Here is what's funny. I am an Aggie. I guess I value what has been done on the field as much as the potential. McGee may be great (certainly prototypical size and great arm strength), but McCoy I watched do it in college. He seems to be a very cerebral player. Why not get both?

My point on all this wasn't that Dallas should draft McCoy, but that if he is rated on your board as the 30th talent, and you are picking at 108 -- and the next closest guy on your board is 88th to 107th talent -- then you take the guy you have listed as the 30th talent because he is value at that point.

I really just used him as an example that kind of snowballed.

That is strange you being an Aggie fan and me being a Horns fan but see it a bit different. I think Colt was a good college player I just think he will struggle at the next level. I hope I'm wrong

As for the Cowboys situations I like having a vet like Kitna backing up he has the experiance to come into a game and keep things going. McGee is still being developed and learning I think adding a rookie would only slow that process down.

[Dalmations202]

That is strange you being an Aggie fan and me being a Horns fan but see it a bit different. I think Colt was a good college player I just think he will struggle at the next level. I hope I'm wrong

As for the Cowboys situations I like having a vet like Kitna backing up he has the experiance to come into a game and keep things going. McGee is still being developed and learning I think adding a rookie would only slow that process down.

Maybe slow it down, and maybe push it a little and speed it up. I don't know how they would react.

I know if Romo goes down in a game, I'd want Kitna, but if he has a career ending something happen, I'd like several young guns to choose from. Kitna would be good, IMO, for 1-3 games and no more.

[Doomsday101]

Maybe slow it down, and maybe push it a little and speed it up. I don't know how they would react.

I know if Romo goes down in a game, I'd want Kitna, but if he has a career ending something happen, I'd like several young guns to choose from. Kitna would be good, IMO, for 1-3 games and no more.

Dallas like most teams will only keep 3 QB's. I expect those QB's to Romo, Kitna and McGee at this stage. I think if McGee does start to show himself as a competent QB Dallas will move him to the #2 spot which would open the door for a rookie QB. I just don't see Dallas looking to a QB in a draft that many consider a weak QB class. As for should Romo get hurt Kitna would still be the better option even beyond 3 games over such raw player as McGee or a rookie

[Gzus]

I've always wanted a white WR :) (no not racist cause I'm asian).... I've always been fascinated with "white" WRs b/c it's so different. Would love to see him here, I'd do 3rd round for Shipley for sure.

[rkell87]

Crayton's replacement is already on the team.

Kevin Ogletree. Write it down, sign it, put it in an envelope, stamp it, ship it, receive it, and open it back up.

But, I wouldn't mind having another receiver on the roster as insurance. I would much rather have McCluster or Golden Tate over 4.57 Shipley. With Jason Garrett poised to take over the offense and the team more after this year and wanting to run a more explosive style offense (think New Orleans) players like Tate and McCluster make much more sense than Shipley.
alright im gonna do this one more time since there are 6 days left till the UT pro day.

mccluster ran a 4.53 at the combine, and guess what? ran faster at his pro day.

gBahqaUWk-s

[rkell87]

I like Shipley and would love to have him on the team. He is a very good WR, very good return man and even holds on extra points and FG and where he has used his skills in fake situation to keep the chains moving. I think the guy is a very heady player and is going to be a good pro
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[Muhast]

Riley Cooper would be a better fit for us.

[UnoDallas]

Shipley, Gilyard, or McCluster. Get us a guy who can return the ball and make a few plays in the slot with limited reps for a year or two before we put the vets out to pasture and then bam, full time starter born..

or Andre Roberts, Antonio Brown

[Thatkidbob]

alright im gonna do this one more time since there are 6 days left till the UT pro day.

mccluster ran a 4.53 at the combine, and guess what? ran faster at his pro day.

gBahqaUWk-s

True.

It's smarter to withhold judgement on Shipley until he runs at his pro-day.

[rkell87]

True.

It's smarter to withhold judgement on Shipley until he runs at his pro-day.
yeah it just bothers me that dex ran a similar 40 to ship and everbody was like oh dex is so much faster than that but ship was automatically the slow white receiver and dropped from a 2/3 projection to a 3/4 while dex stock didnt bat an eye.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Way too many threads for a 4th/5th round WR.

[silverbear]

Crayton's replacement is already on the team.

Kevin Ogletree. Write it down, sign it, put it in an envelope, stamp it, ship it, receive it, and open it back up.

But, I wouldn't mind having another receiver on the roster as insurance. I would much rather have McCluster or Golden Tate over 4.57 Shipley.

Bet ya a nickel he runs faster than that at UT's Pro Day on March 31st... trust me, he's a good deal faster than he showed at the Combine... for example, he competed in the Texas State 3A track and field championships while in high school, finishing 5th in the 400 meter relay, 6th in the 800 meter relay...

Texas has some very fast young men competing in the high school championships every year...

Jordan apparently went into the Combine with a pulled groin, and did not run any of the shuttles or the 3 cone drills... while I know that athletes have been known to fib about injuries after poor workouts, Shipley isn't that kind of young man...

When healthy, I fully expect that he can run sub-4.5 40s...

[silverbear]

alright im gonna do this one more time since there are 6 days left till the UT pro day.

mccluster ran a 4.53 at the combine, and guess what? ran faster at his pro day.

gBahqaUWk-s

Watch that clip, and ask yourself if he looks "slow"...

[Thatkidbob]

Watch that clip, and ask yourself if he looks "slow"...

Personally, he looks slow to me in that clip.

My opinion of Shipley's athleticism at present is... OK straight line speed, but no second gear... no afterburners on this guy. He compensates with very good lateral quickness and short area acceleration... he makes guys miss and he's shifty, but he isn't "fast" per se.

Now that I've gone on record with my opinion, watch him run a 4.4 at his pro-day lol.

[gmoney112]

I'm the biggest UT homer there is, I have a Longhorn hat on right now and I'm at work. That's how I roll. That being said Shipley is a 4th rounder at best right now. If he runs a 4.45 or something at his pro day it'll help his cause drastically. He's not really THAT fast, I've watched nearly every game the last few years. He's a hard worker, is intelligent, and gets open. He makes himself look faster than he is really. I wouldn't mind picking him up in the 4th if he's still there, his work ethic alone will translate well. You can't ever have enough of those guys, especially in the slot. Crayton's not the fastest guy and he's a key part of our offense, he just gets open. I see Shipley in the same light; I almost imagine him as the John Phillips of the slot.

[jswalker1981]

I read a quote years ago when (I think it was) Tom Landry said the biggest mistake he ever made drafting was when they didn't draft Joe Montana -- because they had Danny White, and didn't need a QB.

He said that Montana was the highest ranked guy on his board, and he still should have taken him anyway.

Dallas has no real needs right now -- and IF you have him as a 1st or 2nd round talent -- and it is the 4th round, IMO you take him regardless of position. You can always trade him later for the higher pick IF he really has that talent.

Oh, you mean back when there wasn't a salary cap and you could keep players on your roster to groom? There are teams that take a QB every year, but not in the top half of the draft. If Colt McCoy falls to the 6th round, then you can take him. But I'm looking for a guy that can come in and play if the STARTER goes down, not a third stringer.