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[KingTuna]

Cowboys | Bledsoe a Potential Option? - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:21:39 -0800

Mark Gaughan, of the Buffalo News, speculates that if the Buffalo Bills decide to release QB Drew Bledsoe this offseason, the Dallas Cowboys could be a potential landing spot for the veteran quarterback. Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells is said to be a strong admirer of Bledsoe and coached him while in New England.

[mr.jameswoods]

Who has Parcells coached in the past that he didn't like? I wonder if Hambrick wil be back in the near future.

[Nors]

Bledsoe over VT sounds good to me.

[Jimmie]

I'd take Bledsoe over Interceptaverde any day....... :iggles: :jints: :skins:

[scottsp]

Of course, every NFL beat writer is going to attempt to re-marry the two. Still, they're throwing against the wall. Good journalism. Heh.

[Hostile]

Bledsoe over VT sounds good to me.I will agree with you 100% on that. Hell, I'd take you at QB over Vinny.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Oh geez, more silly Vinny hatered... :rolleyes:

If zimmy didn't give up 40 points a game, maybe we would have seen Vinny do what he does best more often...Play action passes...

[mr.jameswoods]

All joking aside, I would totally take Bledsoe over Vinny right now.

[SuspectCorner]

i hate the idea of bledsoe here.
i suspect the following:
bledsoe won't sign a 1-year deal.
bledsoe will want quite a bit more than vinny will sign for.
bledsoe will require more work than vinny would in order to get up to speed on the offense - thus taking reps from the young guys everybody keeps clamoring for.
bledsoe will play no better than vinny when dallas gets a healthy team on the field. a few less INTs. a few more sacks.
bledsoe will be reluctant to contribute to his own demise - i.e. mentoring henson and romo.

i don't want the team to invest a lot of effort and money in
a guy i hope doesn't start more than 8 games in his entire dallas career.

[KingTuna]

All joking aside, I would totally take Bledsoe over Vinny right now.

Absolutley!!!!

[starfrombirth]

i hate the idea of bledsoe here.
i suspect the following:
bledsoe won't sign a 1-year deal.
bledsoe will want quite a bit more than vinny will sign for.
bledsoe will require more work than vinny would in order to get up to speed on the offense - thus taking reps from the young guys everybody keeps clamoring for.
bledsoe will play no better than vinny when dallas gets a healthy team on the field. a few less INTs. a few more sacks.
bledsoe will be reluctant to contribute to his own demise - i.e. mentoring henson and romo.

i don't want the team to invest a lot of effort and money in
a guy i hope doesn't start more than 8 games in his entire dallas career.

Wow!! I have to agree with you. I think I have to check myself for a fever. Be right back.... :sneeze:

[dmq]

Has Vinny signed a contract for next season yet? This will show if BP overcomes loyalty for the sake of the team. I think his loyalty to Vinny is way stronger than Bledsoe, but its obvious Bledsoe is the better option.

[Juke99]

I dunno...I think this is pure speculation...Parcells has not shown any inclination to sign players he coached in the past...especially older ones.


:shootme:

[Aikmaniac]

I'd rather have Vinny.

-Obviously, he's more in tune with the system and players.
-Bledsoe won't play for chickenfeed.
-Vinny will only play this season...hopefully as a backup to DH/Tony. Bledsoe would want a multi-year deal.
-IMO, Vinny is the better quarterback.

[Nors]

I would be suprised with JJ and an improved line, with a TE combo of Witten / Heath Miller if Bledsoe didn't go 25 TD's 3500 yards.

VT is going to be 42 and he totally faded last year and had a very QC esque Interception to TD ratio. All you VT supporters, you realize he led the NFL in Interceptions?

[Aikmaniac]

I would be suprised with JJ and an improved line, with a TE combo of Witten / Heath Miller if Bledsoe didn't go 25 TD's 3500 yards.

VT is going to be 42 and he totally faded last year and had a very QC esque Interception to TD ratio. All you VT supporters, you realize he led the NFL in Interceptions?

Let's put it this way. If Vinny stays, he'll be good insurance to either Romo or Henson. Henson/Romo will be able to take the majority of the snaps since Vinny knows the offense so well.

There's no way Bledsoe's coming to sit the bench and I don't know if I can stand watching the "fading" Bledsoe 2-3 years down the road while Henson and Romo are still being babysat.

The point is, if Bledsoe comes...there goes the chance to see the youngin's.

[hockix]

I want Henson to get most of the snaps and get ready to start for o5.
Vinny could be the backup since he already know the ofense.

Bledsoe is better than Vinny but not that much.

If you don't trust Henson then just get Hasselbeck, not Bledsoe.
Bledsoe would just be another short gap till the next QB.

[hockix]

Let's put it this way. If Vinny stays, he'll be good insurance to either Romo or Henson. Henson/Romo will be able to take the majority of the snaps since Vinny knows the defense so well.

There's no way Bledsoe's coming to sit the bench and I don't know if I can stand watching the "fading" Bledsoe 2-3 years down the road while Henson and Romo are still being babysat.

The point is, if Bledsoe comes...there goes the chance to see the youngin's.

You beat me on the point and use better words...
I completly agree with you...

[Nors]

You beat me on the point and use better words...
I completly agree with you...


That Romo and Henson are the answer. Parcells actions this offseason will be telling. If he indeed Brings in Bledsoe or Hasselback he's not convinced.

Even Bill is going to realize that 42 year old VT is shot. Body and mind goes.

The VT, Romo, Henson trio can't be brought back.

[Aikmaniac]

That Romo and Henson are the answer. Parcells actions this offseason will be telling. If he indeed Brings in Bledsoe or Hasselback he's not convinced.

Even Bill is going to realize that 42 year old VT is shot. Body and mind goes.

The VT, Romo, Henson trio can't be brought back.

People said Vinny wouldn't make it through a whole season injury-free. Well, he did and there's nothing better to have in today's NFL than a high quality backup QB. There's not too many decent backups out there, Nors...especially ones with the knowledge and experience with this system. Yes, this is the last season for Vinny because he is older than dirt, but as a backup, I don't see a better option out there.

I agree though, if Bledsoe, Hasselback, etc. is brought in...there's no need to keep Vinny. I think JJ and BP have already shown their hand. Vinny will backup Henson/Romo.

[LA=Pancakemaker]

I'd take Bledsoe over Interceptaverde any day
I would rather have Crayton than Bledsoe

[ravidubey]

i hate the idea of bledsoe here.
i suspect the following:
bledsoe won't sign a 1-year deal.
bledsoe will want quite a bit more than vinny will sign for.
bledsoe will require more work than vinny would in order to get up to speed on the offense - thus taking reps from the young guys everybody keeps clamoring for.
bledsoe will play no better than vinny when dallas gets a healthy team on the field. a few less INTs. a few more sacks.
bledsoe will be reluctant to contribute to his own demise - i.e. mentoring henson and romo.

i don't want the team to invest a lot of effort and money in
a guy i hope doesn't start more than 8 games in his entire dallas career.


But I think Bledsoe will sign a two or three year deal which is what Parcells would be looking for. Look for the length of the contract to match the number of years Parcells thinks he' himself will be a Cowboy.

Bledsoe will want more money-- so what? He's worth it-- heck we paid Eddie George 5 million dollars to do exactly what this year?

Whoever the starter is will take exactly the same number of reps as Vinnie did in practice this year.

"When Dallas gets a healthy team on the field." You mean a GOOD team on the field, and Bledsoe is better than Vinnie and will make his team better. Look what he did in Buffalo after they got a running game.

As for his own demise, as far as Parcells is concerned there is no "QB of the Future"-- it's just building a winner any way possible. Vinnie didn't "mentor" Henson or Romo this year either-- those guys have to sink or swim on their own. If they can beat out Bledsoe, then fine. Most likely one of them will start as a replacement when a veteran QB gets hurt anyway.

[wileedog]

Look what he did in Buffalo after they got a running game.

You mean threw for less than 200 yards in 8 out of those 10 games?

Bledsoe had a better TD/Pick ratio (although certainly not stellar), had a lower completion %, less YPA, and virtually identical QB rating for the season as Vinny (who also didn't have a running game for half the season). Vinny on the whole also played tougher competition, as some of Bledsoe's best games came in blowouts of Miami and SF.

They are the same damn QB, except one is 10 years younger, so will want a multi-year contract. In essence, signing Bledose is like signing Vinny long-term with perhaps a few less picks.

You really want that?

[Kangaroo]

People said Vinny wouldn't make it through a whole season injury-free. Well, he did and there's nothing better to have in today's NFL than a high quality backup QB. There's not too many decent backups out there, Nors...especially ones with the knowledge and experience with this system. Yes, this is the last season for Vinny because he is older than dirt, but as a backup, I don't see a better option out there.

I agree though, if Bledsoe, Hasselback, etc. is brought in...there's no need to keep Vinny. I think JJ and BP have already shown their hand. Vinny will backup Henson/Romo. Not true remeber vinny did not start the Bears game due to injury

[LA=Pancakemaker]

Not true remeber vinny did not start the Bears game due to injury

Or was it due to the "experiment"

[Nors]

People said Vinny wouldn't make it through a whole season injury-free. Well, he did and there's nothing better to have in today's NFL than a high quality backup QB. There's not too many decent backups out there, Nors...especially ones with the knowledge and experience with this system. Yes, this is the last season for Vinny because he is older than dirt, but as a backup, I don't see a better option out there.

I agree though, if Bledsoe, Hasselback, etc. is brought in...there's no need to keep Vinny. I think JJ and BP have already shown their hand. Vinny will backup Henson/Romo.

Henson/Romo couldn't beat out 41 year old VT to the point he refused to even play DH/TR when season was lost. VT as old as he is would STILL beat them out....... VT led NFL in interceptions. I don't see the reluctance to replace VT as it appears Henson/Romo are not ready.

VT left Jets because he didn't want a backup job. I doubt he wants one in Dallas with his Family Back east. He'll retire or come back as our Starter. MARK THAT ONE DOWN.

And Book it Danno.

[SuspectCorner]

And Book it Danno.

i think you meant "and book i DON'T KNOW." :D

[ravidubey]

You mean threw for less than 200 yards in 8 out of those 10 games?

Bledsoe had a better TD/Pick ratio (although certainly not stellar), had a lower completion %, less YPA, and virtually identical QB rating for the season as Vinny (who also didn't have a running game for half the season). Vinny on the whole also played tougher competition, as some of Bledsoe's best games came in blowouts of Miami and SF.

They are the same damn QB, except one is 10 years younger, so will want a multi-year contract. In essence, signing Bledose is like signing Vinny long-term with perhaps a few less picks.

You really want that?

The most important stat during those games was the number of wins. Stats are hard to compare, especially considering the quality of Buffalo's own defense. As for the competition, Buffalo was absolutely smashing teams during that stretch including utter destruction of the Rams, Bengals, and Seahawks and a quality win over the Jets.

I want the best quarterback for next year, period. There is no "future quarterback" until that player proves himself in the offseason. And Vinnie is not better than Bledsoe-- sorry, you can't convince me!

[Aikmaniac]

Not true remeber vinny did not start the Bears game due to injury

Technically, yes. Not bad for a guy who was supposed to be on IR by week 4, huh?

And he was so "injured" that he came in and played the 2nd half.

[wileedog]

As for the competition, Buffalo was absolutely smashing teams during that stretch including utter destruction of the Rams, Bengals, and Seahawks and a quality win over the Jets.
With a good defense, running game and the #1 special teams unit in the league.

Drew was the ultimate "bus driver" for Buffalo the 2nd half of last year.

I want the best quarterback for next year, period. There is no "future quarterback" until that player proves himself in the offseason. And Vinnie is not better than Bledsoe-- sorry, you can't convince me!
I didn't try to. I said they were largely similar. Taking everything else out of consideration i would take Drew over Vinny because of age and slightly better decision making. Both have strong arms and decent accuracy, although Vinny did wear down over the course of the season.

However, that does not make Bledsoe *good*. That makes him a slightly better, younger Vinny who will probably be looking for a multi-year deal. The last thing *I* want is incumbent starter for the next 2-3 seasons to be a younger, slightly better Vinnie. I'd much rather have the real Vinnie for only one more year who is (IMO) far more open to a bench/mentor role.

Others have said it and I agree - signing Bledsoe would be a big sign that Parcells has no confidence in Henson/Romo, because he's sure as heck going to start Bledsoe for that whole "best chance to win" thing.

[Xsonartek]

"I would be suprised with JJ and an improved line, with a TE combo of Witten / Heath Miller if Bledsoe didn't go 25 TD's 3500 yards."

When did we draft Heath Miller, why would we draft Heath Miller??? We have many more pressing needs than a second tight end that can catch and run.

[Woods]

With a good defense, running game and the #1 special teams unit in the league.

Drew was the ultimate "bus driver" for Buffalo the 2nd half of last year.


I didn't try to. I said they were largely similar. Taking everything else out of consideration i would take Drew over Vinny because of age and slightly better decision making. Both have strong arms and decent accuracy, although Vinny did wear down over the course of the season.

However, that does not make Bledsoe *good*. That makes him a slightly better, younger Vinny who will probably be looking for a multi-year deal. The last thing *I* want is incumbent starter for the next 2-3 seasons to be a younger, slightly better Vinnie. I'd much rather have the real Vinnie for only one more year who is (IMO) far more open to a bench/mentor role.

Others have said it and I agree - signing Bledsoe would be a big sign that Parcells has no confidence in Henson/Romo, because he's sure as heck going to start Bledsoe for that whole "best chance to win" thing.

I have to agree.

If Bledsoe is signed, I think it means that Henson is on the bench. There is no way JJ pays Bledsoe a multi-year contract to sit on the bench watching Henson.

I still think that BP wants to re-sign VT for 1 last year and let Henson earn the starting job. Of course, Henson will have to beat out VT . . . .

[SuspectCorner]

I have to agree.

If Bledsoe is signed, I think it means that Henson is on the bench. There is no way JJ pays Bledsoe a multi-year contract to sit on the bench watching Henson.

I still think that BP wants to re-sign VT for 1 last year and let Henson earn the starting job. Of course, Henson will have to beat out VT . . . .
i'm not necessarily sure that henson HAS to beat out vinny. i think all drew has to do is get within vinny's zip code - i.e. "serviceable" - and they will trot him out there and let game experience start to take hold. if they are truly to come, that's where he'll experience the real growth spurts in his progress. on the game field.

[MichaelWinicki]

You mean threw for less than 200 yards in 8 out of those 10 games?

Bledsoe had a better TD/Pick ratio (although certainly not stellar), had a lower completion %, less YPA, and virtually identical QB rating for the season as Vinny (who also didn't have a running game for half the season). Vinny on the whole also played tougher competition, as some of Bledsoe's best games came in blowouts of Miami and SF.

They are the same damn QB, except one is 10 years younger, so will want a multi-year contract. In essence, signing Bledose is like signing Vinny long-term with perhaps a few less picks.

You really want that?

Finally the voice of reason...

I can't believe the goofyness I'm reading in this thread... well from one person I can :D .

Bledsoe is a WORSE qb than Vinny at this point. Check out their stats this year. Bledsoe was a crummy .2 better. Just .2!!!! With a hell of a lot better team.

Why can't you folks figure this out?

This is the "Eddie George" situation all over again.

I was right about Eddy (right Nors?) and I'm right about this turkey.

[Nors]

Finally the voice of reason...

I can't believe the goofyness I'm reading in this thread... well from one person I can :D .

Bledsoe is a WORSE qb than Vinny at this point. Check out their stats this year. Bledsoe was a crummy .2 better. Just .2!!!! With a hell of a lot better team.

Why can't you folks figure this out?

This is the "Eddie George" situation all over again.

I was right about Eddy (right Nors?) and I'm right about this turkey.



1) You were dead *** WRONG that we were not going to sign him, right Miki?

2) I wanted him as a Vet backup 5-10 carries and not as a starter. Draft a RB (jj) I was wrong in that I thought he had more tread. He didn't.

Bledsoe - +4 TD/Int ratio Vt -3 TD/Int ratio Bledsoe's Bills scored 100 points more than VT's team. VT faded and will be 42. Bills finished 9-3. You sure went REAL silent during that run ;) . Ah - he's a turkey now.

Noted. :skins:

[BillsFan]

This board will be ripping mad at the midseason point if Bledsoe starts here. I remember saying the same thing about Vinny.

Sacks, Picks, bad decisions..uhhh it drove me crazy watching it. Sometimes I couldnt even watch it. I'd watch the Patriot games instead.

Bledsoe can't lead his team to victories anymore, he's washed up, hopefully Parcells goes with the young guys.

[SuspectCorner]

This board will be ripping mad at the midseason point if Bledsoe starts here. I remember saying the same thing about Vinny.

Sacks, Picks, bad decisions..uhhh it drove me crazy watching it. Sometimes I couldnt even watch it. I'd watch the Patriot games instead.

Bledsoe can't lead his team to victories anymore, he's washed up, hopefully Parcells goes with the young guys.
isn't it interesting that "bledsoe for MVP" is included in your avatar?

[Nors]

isn't it interesting that "bledsoe for MVP" is included in your avatar?

Its Miki logging in on his laptop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o

[Nors]

Originally Posted by wileedog
"With a good defense, running game and the #1 special teams unit in the league."



Some facts

Bledsoe + 4 TD/INT ratio Critical turnovers impact w/l
VT -3 Ratio

Bledsoe - Pts scored 24.7 (7) in NFL advantage Drew
VT 18.3 (25)


Running Game:

Bills 1874 yards 3.9 ypc
Boys 1769 yards 3.9 ypc no difference there

Defense

If we can get Defense up to snuff, Bledsoe will win at least 4-5 more games than VT. Heck Carter won 10 with Tham as feature back.

Dallas had sound ST

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by wileedog
"With a good defense, running game and the #1 special teams unit in the league."



Some facts

Bledsoe + 4 TD/INT ratio Critical turnovers impact w/l
VT -3 Ratio

Bledsoe - Pts scored 24.7 (7) in NFL advantage Drew
VT 18.3 (25)


Running Game:

Bills 1874 yards 3.9 ypc
Boys 1769 yards 3.9 ypc no difference there

Defense

If we can get Defense up to snuff, Bledsoe will win at least 4-5 more games than VT. Heck Carter won 10 with Tham as feature back.

Dallas had sound ST


And how many of those points were attributable to Drew? Take out all the special teams and defensive touchdowns Nors and get back to me OK?

Take a look at their QB ratings Nors... just take a close look. ;)

[wileedog]

Some facts

Bledsoe + 4 TD/INT ratio Critical turnovers impact w/l
VT -3 Ratio

But Bledsoe still threw 16 picks vs. only 20 TDs. Yes, its better than Vinny, but this aint exactly Pro Bowl stuff were talking here.

Bledsoe - Pts scored 24.7 (7) in NFL advantage Drew
VT 18.3 (25)
Yards per Game
Dallas 324 (212 passing)
Buffalo 293 (176 passing)

Vinny completed 60% of his passes vs. Bledsoe's 56%. His YPA was .6 yards higher.

Buffalo's passing game was ranked 27th in the league, Dallas' 15th.

We can twist stats at each other all day long, but the bottom line is that no matter how you stack Drew's numbers they were mediocre. As I said he might be a slight upgrade to Vinny, especially considering age, but even if we take Vinny completely out of the equation the bottom line is that Drew is still a terrible guy to give a multi-year deal to, thereby forcing our young guys to sit for 2-3 more years.

Vinny or no, he's just not worth it.

[Nors]

But Bledsoe still threw 16 picks vs. only 20 TDs. Yes, its better than Vinny, but this aint exactly Pro Bowl stuff were talking here.


Yards per Game
Dallas 324 (212 passing)
Buffalo 293 (176 passing)

Vinny completed 60% of his passes vs. Bledsoe's 56%. His YPA was .6 yards higher.

Buffalo's passing game was ranked 27th in the league, Dallas' 15th.

We can twist stats at each other all day long, but the bottom line is that no matter how you stack Drew's numbers they were mediocre. As I said he might be a slight upgrade to Vinny, especially considering age, but even if we take Vinny completely out of the equation the bottom line is that Drew is still a terrible guy to give a multi-year deal to, thereby forcing our young guys to sit for 2-3 more years.

Vinny or no, he's just not worth it.


These are the stats I look at:

Wins
Points scored
Td/int ratio

DREW IS HANDS DOWN THE WINNER ON ALL COUNTS
Vinnie Led league in interceptions.

VT has 255 career interceptions and his teams generically always suck. Bledsoe has won two AFC champiomship games and played in a Super Bowl.

VT = Dinosaur. Time to retire dude.

[KingTuna]

These are the stats I look at:

Wins
Points scored
Td/int ratio

DREW IS HANDS DOWN THE WINNER ON ALL COUNTS
Vinnie Led league in interceptions.

VT has 255 career interceptions and his teams generically always suck. Bledsoe has won two AFC champiomship games and played in a Super Bowl.

VT = Dinosaur. Time to retire dude.

DITTO!!