Vinny or Drew in 2005?

[Nors]

Lets dig a little deeper!

Personally I've seen 4+ Pats games a year dating back to late 80's. Drew Bledsoe is a much better QB than VT. Thats just my personal opinion based on first hand watching both play in Person.

1) Lets really revisit both QB's in 2004

* Bledsoe is a decade younger, VT Obviously wore down bad. Bills finished 9-3 and on a roll.
* Both had suspect Oline, Bills maybe worse.
*Bills have no TE - We have Witten
*VT has 255 career Interceptions - thats real hard to do
*Bledsoe was +4 TD/Int ratio and VT was -3 TD/Int (led NFL in picks)
hard to quantify that but its about 2-3 victories difference
* Bledsoe played 7 Playoff teams to Vt's 5, including Pats twice
* Bills scored 395 points to VT's 293 points

;) I know what the "out" is going to be - Dropping hook into the water!
:skins: :jints: :iggles:

[Q_the_man]

Lets dig a little deeper!

Personally I've seen 4+ Pats games a year dating back to late 80's. Drew Bledsoe is a much better QB than VT. Thats just my personal opinion based on first hand watching both play in Person.

1) Lets really revisit both QB's in 2004

* Bledsoe is a decade younger, VT Obviously wore down bad. Bills finished 9-3 and on a roll.
* Both had suspect Oline, Bills maybe worse.
*Bills have no TE - We have Witten
*VT has 255 career Interceptions - thats real hard to do
*Bledsoe was +4 TD/Int ratio and VT was -3 TD/Int (led NFL in picks)
hard to quantify that but its about 2-3 victories difference
* Bledsoe played 7 Playoff teams to Vt's 5, including Pats twice
* Bills scored 395 points to VT's 293 points

;) I know what the "out" is going to be - Dropping hook into the water!
:skins: :jints: :iggles:The next ? after this will be, who do we cut Drew or Romo then, because if we sign Bledsoe we must cut BP boy in Romo or the baseball 3rd basemen.

Here's hoping Henson or Hasselbach is QB'ing the boys in 05

[Doomsday101]

Lets dig a little deeper!

Personally I've seen 4+ Pats games a year dating back to late 80's. Drew Bledsoe is a much better QB than VT. Thats just my personal opinion based on first hand watching both play in Person.

1) Lets really revisit both QB's in 2004

* Bledsoe is a decade younger, VT Obviously wore down bad. Bills finished 9-3 and on a roll.
* Both had suspect Oline, Bills maybe worse.
*Bills have no TE - We have Witten
*VT has 255 career Interceptions - thats real hard to do
*Bledsoe was +4 TD/Int ratio and VT was -3 TD/Int (led NFL in picks)
hard to quantify that but its about 2-3 victories difference
* Bledsoe played 7 Playoff teams to Vt's 5, including Pats twice
* Bills scored 395 points to VT's 293 points

;) I know what the "out" is going to be - Dropping hook into the water!
:skins: :jints: :iggles:

Depends on 2 things. How much would Bleadsoe be looking for cash wise and lenght of contract, with Vinny we know it would be nothing more than a 1 year deal should he choose not to retire. Regardless of Vinny or Bleadsoe I think they will be working as backups in Dallas.

[Nors]

The next ? after this will be, who do we cut Drew or Romo then, because if we sign Bledsoe we must cut BP boy in Romo or the baseball 3rd basemen.

Here's hoping Henson or Hasselbach is QB'ing the boys in 05

Bledsoe
Henson
Romo

VT or Bledsoe starter in 2005 - outside shot at Hasselback

[Nors]

Depends on 2 things. How much would Bleadsoe be looking for cash wise and lenght of contract, with Vinny we know it would be nothing more than a 1 year deal should he choose not to retire. Regardless of Vinny or Bleadsoe I think they will be working as backups in Dallas.

Bledsoe has already taken 2 paycuts for Bills

Now they are after him again? He wants to start and win. He'd sign an affordable 1 or 2 year deal here. Henson is easily that far off.

He'd fluorish in the Parcells system. (again)

[SultanOfSix]

Wrong Drew. :)

[Doomsday101]

Bledsoe has already taken 2 paycuts for Bills

Now they are after him again? He wants to start and win. He'd sign an affordable 1 or 2 year deal here. Henson is easily that far off.

He'd fluorish in the Parcells system. (again)

Nor no one at this sight knows how long it will take Henson, I think if they felt he was far from being ready he would be going to NFL Europe however he is not and will be working at the Ranch and we go from there. As for Bledsoe I like him and would have no problem with him being here but not at all cost and just because he took a paycut from Buff does not tell me what his agent will be asking for or the lenght of the contract. It is not as easy to say I want this guy without seeing what his demands may or may not be. Same way with your deal on Ty Law, seems you think the Cowboys should have given him anything he asked for.

[Aikmaniac]

I'd like to see Henson start after two full offseasons with Vinny as backup.

If Bledsoe is brought in...it'll delay the team's progress more than it already has been.

Nors, you already know my stance from another thread on this subject.

[Portland Fanatic]

Blah blah blah...Henson will start with Vinny as back up, if not from day one...by week 5.


The talk of Drew Brees, Drew Bledsoe...waste of time.....

[The Duke]

Nors,

It seems with your grand plan to max out the cap money and bring top notch free agents that you would want to go cheap at the QB position. VT, Henson, Romo seem servicable for another year until the rest of players are in place. we're 2 off seasons away.

Bledsoe would definitely want more than VT.

[Woods]

I think by mid-season it will be Henson, VT, and Romo.

[aikemirv]

No reason to delay the developement of Henson any further. I was all for him sitting on the bench for a year, but not two. It is time for him to step it up this offseason and for the Cowboys to bear the growing pains with him. Like someone else said, we are 2 years away anyway, unless we fill 7 starting spots through FA with quality players. Too many holes to fill in one offseason especially with 3 rookies in that mix.

[MichaelWinicki]

You know I never have to look far to see who starts these challenged Bledsoe/Vinny threads. :rolleyes:

[KingTuna]

Bledsoe in 2005!!!

[SuspectCorner]

You know I never have to look far to see who starts these challenged Bledsoe/Vinny threads. :rolleyes:
every board needs a couple of "rabble rousers" to get the 'em thru the quieter stretches of the off-season.

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Its not likely but I hope Mountain Drew comes through and becomes what he was suppose to be

[Champsheart]

There are things that concern me about Bledsoe, but if I had to choose between him, and Vinny, I will take Bledsoe in a heartbeat.

I actually think it is possible Bledsoe could be pretty good here in Dallas. The big thing will be our Pass Protection. IMO if you protect Bledsoe he can still kill you. If we can solidify the right side I have no problem with Bledsoe in Dallas.
If we have to worry about our Pass Protection then Bledsoe would be a bad pick up full of sacks, fumbles, and INT's.

I also think Parcells knows how to utilize Bledsoe better than anybody else, which would obviously be a positive.

The real big question here is how close is Henson to being ready. Everyone keeps talking about slowing our process down, well I do not see it that way. If Henson can be a solid player in 2005, then no reason to go after anyone, but if he is still a ways away, which is very possible, Bledsoe could fit in nicely.

[Nors]

There are things that concern me about Bledsoe, but if I had to choose between him, and Vinny, I will take Bledsoe in a heartbeat.

I actually think it is possible Bledsoe could be pretty good here in Dallas. The big thing will be our Pass Protection. IMO if you protect Bledsoe he can still kill you. If we can solidify the right side I have no problem with Bledsoe in Dallas.
If we have to worry about our Pass Protection then Bledsoe would be a bad pick up full of sacks, fumbles, and INT's.

I also think Parcells knows how to utilize Bledsoe better than anybody else, which would obviously be a positive.

The real big question here is how close is Henson to being ready. Everyone keeps talking about slowing our process down, well I do not see it that way. If Henson can be a solid player in 2005, then no reason to go after anyone, but if he is still a ways away, which is very possible, Bledsoe could fit in nicely.

If you can protect Bledsoe he'll eat you alive. Is Henson 2005 ready? We'll know in next two months what Parcells is really thinking.

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you can protect Bledsoe he'll eat you alive. Is Henson 2005 ready? We'll know in next two months what Parcells is really thinking.

If you can't then he's a concusion machine waiting to get kick started. He's completely emobile. This would put a lot of pressure on an offensive line that clearly has holes. You put a QB back there that doesn't move, holds the ball too long and has a history of concusions and you are asking for trouble. Vinnie isn't all world by any stretch but he can still move around. He does get ride of the ball pretty quickly and he's still in pretty good shape. For these reasons alone, I don't see us making the move to Bleedsomore.

[blindzebra]

Nors with the shotgun approach to, "I told you so."

Let's see we trade for Brees, Rivers, sign Hasselbeck or Bledsoe, draft a QB, start Romo. Everything except Henson starting.

Nothing like taking a stance, Nors. :rolleyes:

[Cbz40]

The only QB I would be interested in would be Hasselbeck if by some miracle he is released and we could possibly sign him.

I could possibly live with (God Help Me) Vinny starting a few games at the beginning of the season. What I am dubious of is that Vinny starts and we hear the same song and dance as last season and guess what? We are stuck with Vinny for the entire season again.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The only QB I would be interested in would be Hasselbeck if by some miracle he is released and we could possibly sign him.

I could possibly live with (God Help Me) Vinny starting a few games at the beginning of the season. What I am dubious of is that Vinny starts and we hear the same song and dance as last season and guess what? We are stuck with Vinny for the entire season again.

That would be the one upside to signing Bleedsomore. It would only be a question of Quarters before he would be on IR and Henson would be the starter.

[Cbz40]

That would be the one upside to signing Bleedsomore. It would only be a question of Quarters before he would be on IR and Henson would be the starter.


Absolutely.......

You get right down to it everything depends on just how much Mr Parcells feels Mr Henson has developed.

We will see what we will see.......

[big dog cowboy]

Trying to pick between Bledsoe and VT is like trying to decide which eye you want a sharp stick stuck in. :eek:

[ABQCOWBOY]

Trying to pick between Bledsoe and VT is like trying to decide which eye you want a sharp stick stuck in. :eek:

Well, if I get to make the decision, I'm voting for Terrell Owens.

What did I win?

[Nors]

:rolleyes: Nors with the shotgun approach to, "I told you so."

Let's see we trade for Brees, Rivers, sign Hasselbeck or Bledsoe, draft a QB, start Romo. Everything except Henson starting.

Nothing like taking a stance, Nors. :rolleyes:


I never advocated Brees, Rivers. Only a minor thought to sign Hasselback. Bledsoe is an upgrade to VT.

Henson from what I saw is no where near ready to start at the NFL level yet.
He has intrinsic trade value, but that window will close fast.

Romo is what he is a major unproven but as advanced as Henson is.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol:

[Nors]

That would be the one upside to signing Bleedsomore. It would only be a question of Quarters before he would be on IR and Henson would be the starter.

To attack his toughness is insane. That guy is as tough in the pocket as there is. That to a fault.

The most laughable contra argument is VT's mobilty! Hahahahaha he's slower than a turtle in Molasses.

[The30YardSlant]

Bledsoe >>> TNT Testeverde

[Wolverine]

I will go with Drew easy. Drew Henson that is. More on that in a few.


As for Bledsoe well here is my op.

Positives.

He would be a huge upgrade over Vinny. Bledsoe has a good 5 years left in him. So we would be gettin a QB that has somethin left in him. There is not a throw Bledsoe CANT make. He has one of the strongest arms in the NFL. He also could be one of the most accurate long ball throwers in the NFL to. He is as tough as any QB out there. When Bledsoe is on and in the zone he is as good and dangerous as the best of them. When Bledsoe is on good luck stoppin him. He also has alota playoff experience. So he knows what it takes to win in the bigger games.



Negatives.

He doesnt have good mobility. He can move around in the pocket ok but his mobility is his biggest weakness. When he is off and not havin a good game he can really play crappy.



What I think overall. If we still had just Hutch and Quincy I would be all for gettin Bledsoe. But we have Henson. Henson has everything it takes to be a top NFL QB if he figures things out. Havin Bledsoe comin would be another year or longer of Henson gettin no playin time and nobody still havin any idea of what we have in Henson. If we got Bledsoe and he played here 3 to 5 years we still wouldnt know any more about Henson then we do now. Neither would the coaches.

I say pass on Bledsoe. We need to see what Henson has these next 2 years so we will know how to go into the 2007 offseason. Henson will need 2 years for us to really know what we have. ANd if Henson doesnt have it then there will be a good FA QB or one in the draft we can go for.

[blindzebra]

:rolleyes:


I never advocated Brees, Rivers. Only a minor thought to sign Hasselback. Bledsoe is an upgrade to VT.

Henson from what I saw is no where near ready to start at the NFL level yet.
He has intrinsic trade value, but that window will close fast.

Romo is what he is a major unproven but as advanced as Henson is.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol:

Do we need to go to the archives Nors? You have gone on record for every QB not named Henson and you know it.

Who played QB during the season? Who finished at #2? Romo is no where CLOSE to Henson.

[VoR]

There really might be something to this. I'm pulling for Henson as much or more than anyone. I think he could be an Aikman/Favre hybrid with mobility,cannon arm, leadership, play making ability and accuracy.

The key here is Parcells. He's so !@#$ stubborn. He would rather lose with a 40 year old quarterback than lose (and gain confidence) with Henson, who has unlimited potential. If Henson would have ended up losing the Thanksgiving game would it have really mattered in regards to the season?
We didn't make the playoffs anyway.

IF ,and it's a huge IF, Parcells keeps his stubborn ways and doesn't give Henson a chance I would ,no doubt, rather have Bledsoe than Vinny. But if Parcells does sign Bledsoe you can forget Henson EVER getting a chance. Billy boy has proven he'll ride a QB into his 40's and with Drew B. being 33 he's got 7 more years.

[starfrombirth]

:rolleyes:


I never advocated Brees, Rivers. Only a minor thought to sign Hasselback. Bledsoe is an upgrade to VT.

Henson from what I saw is no where near ready to start at the NFL level yet.
He has intrinsic trade value, but that window will close fast.

Romo is what he is a major unproven but as advanced as Henson is.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol:

What did you see that the rest of us didn't? Were you at practices or something? Because I saw a kid with a great arm and pretty good accuracy that was just a tick slow reading and reacting. Not too freaking bad for someone out of football for 3 years. His gameplan in Chicago was designed for him to fail and if you don't admit that then you have Blue Koolaid colored glassed on too. :banghead:

[MichaelWinicki]

What did you see that the rest of us didn't? Were you at practices or something? Because I saw a kid with a great arm and pretty good accuracy that was just a tick slow reading and reacting. Not too freaking bad for someone out of football for 3 years. His gameplan in Chicago was designed for him to fail and if you don't admit that then you have Blue Koolaid colored glassed on too. :banghead:


Morning SFB.

Nors is just getting a little delusional on you... don't take it personally. He does that to me all the time. :D

[starfrombirth]

Morning SFB.

Nors is just getting a little delusional on you... don't take it personally. He does that to me all the time. :D

Morning Mikey...Just taking a stance for Drew. The weird thing is that I hated him in College. But in just the little bit I've seen in the Pro's makes me go WOW! For someone to say that he isn't more advance than Romo or doesn't have the physical skills is @$$inine. Hold on let me go get my blood pressure under control :D

[MichaelWinicki]

Morning Mikey...Just taking a stance for Drew. The weird thing is that I hated him in College. But in just the little bit I've seen in the Pro's makes me go WOW! For someone to say that he isn't more advance than Romo or doesn't have the physical skills is @$$inine. Hold on let me go get my blood pressure under control :D


Nors gets these crazy thoughts in his head and just won't let go.

Hell, I'm still trying to convince him that the earth isn't flat!

[Nors]

Nors gets these crazy thoughts in his head and just won't let go.

Hell, I'm still trying to convince him that the earth isn't flat!

Upstate New York (Canada) is flat. :p

[Waffle]

The only QB I would be interested in would be Hasselbeck if by some miracle he is released and we could possibly sign him.

I could possibly live with (God Help Me) Vinny starting a few games at the beginning of the season. What I am dubious of is that Vinny starts and we hear the same song and dance as last season and guess what? We are stuck with Vinny for the entire season again.
I'm right there with you, CBZ. This is pretty much my thoughts on the whole QB deal. Hasselbeck is the only QB worthy of going after in FA. To me, Drew Bledsoe isn't this "huge upgrade" over Vinny others believe he is. It's more like a lateral move at best that will cost us more money against the cap in the long run.

I say stick w/ the status quo unless we can get Hasselbeck, and hope that Henson (or Romo) improve enough to take over the starting job from Vinny sooner rather than later. I stress "sooner"!!! :)

[ABQCOWBOY]

To attack his toughness is insane. That guy is as tough in the pocket as there is. That to a fault.

The most laughable contra argument is VT's mobilty! Hahahahaha he's slower than a turtle in Molasses.

Attack his toughness? Your clearly missing the point. Troy Aikman was one of the toughest QBs I ever saw but that did not prevent him from concusion syndrom. Something you too may be suffering. You should have that checked.

Here's the point and there really is no getting around it. Bledsoe has a history of concusions. Bedsoe is imobile, more so even then a 40 year old Testevarde, by far. We don't have a good line at this point in there developement. Even in your world, 2+2 still adds up to 4.

Your arguing with yourself here Nors. Any fool can read the writting on the wall. No amount of man love for New England or former New England players is going to make this situation ideal.

Get over Bledsoe. Stop trying to ship Henson out. QC is gone. These three things are the first steps in your 12 step program. Acceptance is the road to recovery.

I encourage you to seek help. I keep fairly regualar hours here. All I ask is that you schedule an appointment time. I understand your circumstances and am aware of the sevarity of your Sycosis. Taking all of this into consideration, I still feel there's hope. I urge you to continue your theropy. I will always be there to help in any way I can.

Stay strong Nors. It will all be over soon.

[mr.jameswoods]

Go with Drew. We are not going anywhere with Vinny at the helm. He may start the season strong but he will finish weak due to his age and knack for inconsitency READ: interceptions.

[KingTuna]

Go with Drew. We are not going anywhere with Vinny at the helm. He may start the season strong but he will finish weak due to his age and knack for inconsitency READ: interceptions.

Bledsoe will probably be released as early as next week. Bledsoe on the Cowboys roster before draft weekend...Mayby within days/weeks...

[Nors]

Bledsoe will probably be released as early as next week. Bledsoe on the Cowboys roster before draft weekend...Mayby within days/weeks...

that VT has not signed already if they are going that way again.

[KingTuna]

that VT has not signed already if they are going that way again.

We SHOULD start hearing something after the superbowl!!

[DefendeR]

If Vinny is under center next year,I'll root for the Texans.
There is absolutely no reason in life to have a 41 year old QB taking developmental time away from anybody in the NFL...specially if the team is going nowhere.No reason at all..except an ego trip from the bloated egomaniac who started the same loser QB when it was painfully obvious that our team sucked and his former defensive coordinator was too busy going 33-2 over the last calendar year...but Vinny gave him the best chance to win,at the expense of valuable time for the rookie to get reps under the offense and loss of better draft picks.Thanks Tuna...sometimes we outsmart ourselves you know...

[MikeD17]

People say I look like drew bledsoe, so im alittle more partial to give the guy a break now and then.

Id take him over Vinny, but like vinny you need to give him all day to pass or he can turn into a interception problem.

Hes got a better arm then Vinny, and i think he'd be a definate upgrade over him, but id rather have john kitna .

[MikeD17]

defender , i already said i wont watch one game next season if vinny is named starter.


i with you man but i wont root for the texans. i wont root for anyone

[Roughneck]

defender , i already said i wont watch one game next season if vinny is named starter.


i with you man but i wont root for the texans. i wont root for anyoneI'd root for whoever was playing Philthy.

Of course, I do that now.