James Washington speaks !!!!

[irvin88]

Irvin's former Cowboys teammate, safety James Washington, was not pleased that the receiver wasn't elected.

"Michael Irvin has done more for the game than Steve Young," Washington said. "[San Francisco] bought a team to beat the Dallas Cowboys in 1994."

[dbair1967]

Irvin's former Cowboys teammate, safety James Washington, was not pleased that the receiver wasn't elected.

"Michael Irvin has done more for the game than Steve Young," Washington said. "[San Francisco] bought a team to beat the Dallas Cowboys in 1994."

and he is right....the 94 Niners circumvented the cap bigtime and signed like half of the probowl defense from the 93 season...they signed Deion Sanders to the most bogus one yr deal in sports history too

David

[marsbennett]

Irvin's former Cowboys teammate, safety James Washington, was not pleased that the receiver wasn't elected.

"Michael Irvin has done more for the game than Steve Young," Washington said. "[San Francisco] bought a team to beat the Dallas Cowboys in 1994."


and what of Bullet Bob...let James speak out, but I honestly don't believe Irvin should go in on the first ballot either. There's a butt load of people not in the HOF that should be in there...Hell, Art Monk is still waiting to get in there.

Now the Steve Young thing just shows a ridiculous bias toward the fortywhiners.

[Fletch]

and what of Bullet Bob...let James speak out, but I honestly don't believe Irvin should go in on the first ballot either. There's a butt load of people not in the HOF that should be in there...Hell, Art Monk is still waiting to get in there.

Now the Steve Young thing just shows a ridiculous bias toward the fortywhiners.

WHAT? Michael Irvin is more than worthy of a first ballot HOF entry. Art Monk wasn't even the best WR on his respective team. :rolleyes:

[jimmy40]

and what of Bullet Bob...let James speak out, but I honestly don't believe Irvin should go in on the first ballot either. There's a butt load of people not in the HOF that should be in there...Hell, Art Monk is still waiting to get in there.

Now the Steve Young thing just shows a ridiculous bias toward the fortywhiners.Receivers don't get in on the first ballot. There was no way he was going in this year even if he would have kept his nose clean.

[Fletch]

Receivers don't get in on the first ballot. There was no way he was going in this year even if he would have kept his nose clean.

Yeah, watch Jerry Rice go in First Ballot! :rolleyes:

[jimmy40]

WHAT? Michael Irvin is more than worthy of a first ballot HOF entry. Art Monk wasn't even the best WR on his respective team. :rolleyes:Yes he was. When Washington was in their heyday Monk was the man. He was the constant. When they needed a play he was the guy that gave it to them and he didn't have Aikman throwing him the ball.

[jimmy40]

Yeah, watch Jerry Rice go in First Ballot! :rolleyes:Wow. I wonder why? :rolleyes:

[big dog cowboy]

Wow. I wonder why? :rolleyes:
No kidding Irvin got screwed. The voters had a chance to show that they respected the Cowboys of the 90's instead it shows the same old same old crap.

[wxcpo]

Yes he was. When Washington was in their heyday Monk was the man. He was the constant. When they needed a play he was the guy that gave it to them and he didn't have Aikman throwing him the ball.

Sorry to dissappoint you jimmy, but once Gary Clark came on the scene Monk never again led the team in receiving yards or TD receptions. From 1986 through the 1991 season (7 seasons in which the skins twice won the superbowl) Gary Clark led the team in yardage and TDs 6 times, Monk led them zero times. Monk certainly was a great WR and IMO does deserve to make it into the Hall, but he was not best WR on his team so he doesn't deserve induction as much as Irvin.

Look at a great Cowboy WR from the 70's & 80's, Drew Pearson. I question why he isn't in the HOF. Two Steelers WRs from that era are in, Swann & Stallworth based on winning all those superbowls. Looking at stats Pearson is a much better WR than Swann could ever hope to be and he's really not too far off of Stallworth's stats. If those 2 guys are in than Pearson deserves more support for induction than what's he gotten in the past.

Plain and simple the reason that Pearson doesn't get more support and Irvin isn't in is because the media has a bias towards the Cowboys. It's going to be very hard for them to find a reason not to induct Troy next year, but give them a year and they'll definitely try. Irvin may have to wait another 2 years before he's inducted because I certainly don't see them putting 2 Cowboys in together the same year.

[Fletch]

Sorry to dissappoint you jimmy, but once Gary Clark came on the scene Monk never again led the team in receiving yards or TD receptions. From 1986 through the 1991 season (7 seasons in which the skins twice won the superbowl) Gary Clark led the team in yardage and TDs 6 times, Monk led them zero times. Monk certainly was a great WR and IMO does deserve to make it into the Hall, but he was not best WR on his team so he doesn't deserve induction as much as Irvin.

Look at a great Cowboy WR from the 70's & 80's, Drew Pearson. I question why he isn't in the HOF. Two Steelers WRs from that era are in, Swann & Stallworth based on winning all those superbowls. Looking at stats Pearson is a much better WR than Swann could ever hope to be and he's really not too far off of Stallworth's stats. If those 2 guys are in than Pearson deserves more support for induction than what's he gotten in the past.

Plain and simple the reason that Pearson doesn't get more support and Irvin isn't in is because the media has a bias towards the Cowboys. It's going to be very hard for them to find a reason not to induct Troy next year, but give them a year and they'll definitely try. Irvin may have to wait another 2 years before he's inducted because I certainly don't see them putting 2 Cowboys in together the same year.

My point exactly!!! :)

[Chuck 54]

Yeah, watch Jerry Rice go in First Ballot! :rolleyes:
Irvin cannot be compared to Rice...that's ridiculous.

[Fletch]

Irvin cannot be compared to Rice...that's ridiculous.

Dude, is was not about comparing Irvin to Rice. Yes, that would be somewhat ridiculous. Jimmy said that WR's do not go first ballot. And sarcastically, I said watch Jerry Rice go first ballot. Well you and he took it all wrong and thought I was comparing apples to oranges. :cool:

[jimmy40]

Sorry to dissappoint you jimmy, but once Gary Clark came on the scene Monk never again led the team in receiving yards or TD receptions. From 1986 through the 1991 season (7 seasons in which the skins twice won the superbowl) Gary Clark led the team in yardage and TDs 6 times, Monk led them zero times. Monk certainly was a great WR and IMO does deserve to make it into the Hall, but he was not best WR on his team so he doesn't deserve induction as much as Irvin.

Look at a great Cowboy WR from the 70's & 80's, Drew Pearson. I question why he isn't in the HOF. Two Steelers WRs from that era are in, Swann & Stallworth based on winning all those superbowls. Looking at stats Pearson is a much better WR than Swann could ever hope to be and he's really not too far off of Stallworth's stats. If those 2 guys are in than Pearson deserves more support for induction than what's he gotten in the past.

Plain and simple the reason that Pearson doesn't get more support and Irvin isn't in is because the media has a bias towards the Cowboys. It's going to be very hard for them to find a reason not to induct Troy next year, but give them a year and they'll definitely try. Irvin may have to wait another 2 years before he's inducted because I certainly don't see them putting 2 Cowboys in together the same year.That must be why Washingtons fans are crying for Clark to be in the HOF instead of Monk. :rolleyes: Monk was Washington's best receiver. Period.

[Fletch]

That must be why Washingtons fans are crying for Clark to be in the HOF instead of Monk. :rolleyes: Monk was Washington's best receiver. Period.

Get over it allready. You got served. Now deal with it. Clark had the better numbers, plain and simple. :spanking:

[jimmy40]

Dude, is was not about comparing Irvin to Rice. Yes, that would be somewhat ridiculous. Jimmy said that WR's do not go first ballot. And sarcastically, I said watch Jerry Rice go first ballot. Well you and he took it all wrong and thought I was comparing apples to oranges. :cool:Bringing Rice into this thread at all brings comparisons to Ervin. It wasn't sarcastic, it was stupid.

[Zaxor]

Bringing Rice into this thread at all brings comparisons to Ervin. It wasn't sarcastic, it was stupid.
If Rice is held as "the standard" and they both played at the same time... then it is logical that comparisions will be made...

and anyone who does not think so is likely to be Cu Pids brother Stu

hey Stu is that you?

[wxcpo]

That must be why Washingtons fans are crying for Clark to be in the HOF instead of Monk. :rolleyes: Monk was Washington's best receiver. Period.

Hey I was just pointing out the facts that once Gary Clark became a Redskin he was the bulk of the team's offense. I'd say that those 7 seasons I pointed out were pretty much Washington's heyday and Gary Clark was the primary WR. That's not saying Monk didn't have some pretty good seasons because he did, but Clark led the team in 6 of the 7 years. Ricky Sanders led it in the other year. Your opinion may be that Monk was the best WR for the skins during those years, but during their years together it was Clark. Also during that span Monk made the pro bowl once (1986), Clark made it 4 times (1986, 87, 90 & 91). Monk has 1865 more receiving yards and 3 more TDs than Clark, but played 5 more seasons than Clark.

Monk has 817 yards and 3 TDs more than Irvin also despite playing 5 more seasons and 65 more games than Irvin. That's less than 1 seasons worth of production for Irvin. Also for their careers Irvin led his team in receiving every year from 1991 through 1998 (8 seasons in which the Cowboys won 3 superbowls). Monk was a 3 time pro bowler while Irvin was a 5 time pro bowler. Monk played 2nd fiddle to Gary Clark all those years while Irvin was clearly the man in Dallas. Irvin deserves to be in the HOF more than Monk hands down.

[dbair1967]

Irvin cannot be compared to Rice...that's ridiculous.

most of your posts are ridiculous

David

[marsbennett]

Yes he was. When Washington was in their heyday Monk was the man. He was the constant. When they needed a play he was the guy that gave it to them and he didn't have Aikman throwing him the ball.


Ya can't tell a teenager anything.

[marsbennett]

Get over it allready. You got served. Now deal with it. Clark had the better numbers, plain and simple. :spanking:


That's not to say Irvin doesn't warrant consideration. But Monk surpasses Irvin in virtually every statistical category. Monk caught 940 passes for 12,721 yards and 68 touchdowns while Irvin caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns.

Also, please note

All time Redskin carerr leading WR's
Catches Yards yardpercatch TD's
1. Art Monk 888 12,026 13.5 65
2. Charley Taylor 649 9,140 14.1 79
3. Gary Clark 549 8,742 15.9 58

You are served.

[Derinyar]

That's not to say Irvin doesn't warrant consideration. But Monk surpasses Irvin in virtually every statistical category. Monk caught 940 passes for 12,721 yards and 68 touchdowns while Irvin caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns.

Also, please note

All time Redskin carerr leading WR's
Catches Yards yardpercatch TD's
1. Art Monk 888 12,026 13.5 65
2. Charley Taylor 649 9,140 14.1 79
3. Gary Clark 549 8,742 15.9 58

You are served.
Lets see, most of that difference is made up in 3 very medicore years at the end of Monk's career. Was he a HOF player when racking up 3 consecutive years below 50 catches and below 700 yards in the early 90's?

Irvin
4.7 catches per game for 74 yards/game for 11 years

Monk
4.1 catches per game for 57 yards per game.

I won't even go into the TD per game, because Monk's 3 extra TDs won't come close to evening out his 70 game lead. Irvin played less games for the obvious reason of a serious injury. Monk is not as good of a WR as Irvin, his numbers say it, if your not trying to beat on an agenda. More catches per game, more yards per game, more TD's per game. The only difference is Monk played longer to compile marginally better stats.

[hendog]

Yeah, watch Jerry Rice go in First Ballot! :rolleyes:



I know what your saying Fletch.

If Michael plays 25 yrs I bet he gets in on the 1st ballet as well.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

most of your posts are ridiculous

David

He is just very negative toward the Cowboys.

[Fletch]

That's not to say Irvin doesn't warrant consideration. But Monk surpasses Irvin in virtually every statistical category. Monk caught 940 passes for 12,721 yards and 68 touchdowns while Irvin caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns.

Also, please note

All time Redskin carerr leading WR's
Catches Yards yardpercatch TD's
1. Art Monk 888 12,026 13.5 65
2. Charley Taylor 649 9,140 14.1 79
3. Gary Clark 549 8,742 15.9 58

You are served.

Monk played longer than Taylor and Clark, as well as Irvin. So he had time to rack up the numbers. :rolleyes: But as was pointed out, Clark was the go-to WR when he was playing beside Monk.

[Sitting Bull]

That's not to say Irvin doesn't warrant consideration. But Monk surpasses Irvin in virtually every statistical category.

Except Super Bowl victories...

[mbanx]

Except Super Bowl victories...
I hardly remember Monk besides the name, but did he even come close in the leadership category? Irvin to this day is probably as good as a leader and motivator as anybody in this game. He was a Ray Lewis on the offensive side of the ball, let me know who else had his fire.