North Korea warns that military forces will respond

[Doomsday101]

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — North Korea is warning that its military forces will respond if the U.N. Security
Council questions or condemns the country over the sinking of a South Korean navy ship — an act it vehemently denies.

North Korea's U.N. Ambassador Sin Son Ho told a news conference Tuesday there is "a touch-and-go situation that war may break out at any time" because of South Korean accusations that the North torpedoed the ship and killed 46 sailors.

Sin accused South Korea and the United States of cooking up the accusation against the North and demanded that a military investigation team from Pyongyang be permitted to go to the site of the sinking, which the South has refused to allow.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/14/security-council-urges-koreas-refrain-acts-escalate-tensions/

[kmp77]

I'm seriously at the end of my rope with their regime. That has to be the worst country on the planet. A whole country brainwashed on bad propaganda. What the youtube video on north korea if you haven't already. I would not be upset if we made that country into one big parking lot for south korea.

[Sam I Am]

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[Hoofbite]

Why would the south not allow the North to at least look at the site?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Why would the south not allow the North to at least look at the site?

To make Lil Kim mad and watch him throw a tantrum? :D

[BrAinPaiNt]

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SPORT THE WAR, WAR SUPPORT.

[zrinkill]

http://chihuahuatraining.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Chihuahua_Bark.jpg

[Doomsday101]

I have said for a good while I think it is a matter of time before Lil Kim does something very stupid and causes a resumption of a war that has never ended.

[Phoenix]

Stupid little gargoyle is just spouting their typical BS.

[Doomsday101]

Stupid little gargoyle is just spouting their typical BS.

One day they may do more, the international community has tried to stop N. Korea in several incidents and N. Korea ignores them.

[Sam I Am]

One day they may do more, the international community has tried to stop N. Korea in several incidents and N. Korea ignores them.

When you have a guy running his mouth causing trouble and thinks he is bigger than he is, you punch his *** out.

Remove that ***head from power.

[Jon88]

When you have a guy running his mouth causing trouble and thinks he is bigger than he is, you punch his *** out.

Remove that ***head from power.

I completely agree. I am so sick of these people.

[TheCount]

Why would the south not allow the North to at least look at the site?

Because they already know what the North's ruling will be.

[SaltwaterServr]

When you have a guy running his mouth causing trouble and thinks he is bigger than he is, you punch his *** out.

Remove that ***head from power.

:bow:

Kim Jong Il is a nut case. Kim Jong Um is a bigger nut case. The sooner that regime is removed from power, the better for that entire peninsula.

You've got millions living in squalor and near starvation, but you spend hundreds of millions in trying to develop your own nuclear weapons force?

The North Korean Navy attacked and sank a South Korean vessel killing 46 people. That isn't an accident. It's an act of war. Treat it as a military action and deploy an overwhelming military response. **** that giving them free fuel oil. Attack their military infrastructure without constraint.

[Jon88]

:bow:

Kim Jong Il is a nut case. Kim Jong Um is a bigger nut case. The sooner that regime is removed from power, the better for that entire peninsula.

You've got millions living in squalor and near starvation, but you spend hundreds of millions in trying to develop your own nuclear weapons force?

The North Korean Navy attacked and sank a South Korean vessel killing 46 people. That isn't an accident. It's an act of war. Treat it as a military action and deploy an overwhelming military response. **** that giving them free fuel oil. Attack their military infrastructure without constraint.

I can't believe South Korea hasn't retaliated. That would be the final straw. They're *** would be mine.

[Doomsday101]

When you have a guy running his mouth causing trouble and thinks he is bigger than he is, you punch his *** out.

Remove that ***head from power.

I agree but easier said than done. You need to look at the overall picture and consequences that go along with it. In the end I think N. Korea will cross a line of no return. Lil Kim is a few cards shy of a deck and the older he gets the more dangerous I think he is. Even China has had problems dealing with him

[Jon88]

I agree but easier said than done. You need to look at the overall picture and consequences that go along with it. In the end I think N. Korea will cross a line of no return. Lil Kim is a few cards shy of a deck and the older he gets the more dangerous I think he is. Even China has had problems dealing with him

Which is why someone needs to finally kill him. And his son.

[Doomsday101]

Which is why someone needs to finally kill him. And his son.

I'm not opposed to it but I think there will be a price to pay.

[zrinkill]

Even China has had problems dealing with him

We need to make a deal with China to replace him with a puppet for them.

[Doomsday101]

We need to make a deal with China to replace him with a puppet for them.

Frankly I don't trust China

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

We need to make a deal with China to replace him with a puppet for them.

This one?

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images/kim-jong-il-puppet-team-america.jpg

[Jon88]

Frankly I don't trust China

No way. They're always trying to hack into our computer system. They've also had spy after spy caught here. I'm surprised we let them continue myself.

[zrinkill]

Frankly I don't trust China

Of course not ..... but they have to much to lose in a war.

[Doomsday101]

No way. They're always trying to hack into our computer system. They've also had spy after spy caught here. I'm surprised we let them continue myself.

We owe them too much money to walk away. They like to play up to us as a friend but I think this so called friend will knife us in the back when the opportunity arises.

[Jon88]

We owe them too much money to walk away. They like to play up to us as a friend but I think this so called friend will knife us in the back when the opportunity arises.

They constantly do.

[Doomsday101]

Of course not ..... but they have to much to lose in a war.

As do we. I still think in the end it will be the action of N. Korea that will force our hand.

[Doomsday101]

They constantly do.

your right but not to the extent they can. I think many of the things they do now are minor compared to what they are capable of.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Everyone acts as if our country does not partake in promoting propaganda either. Hell its entirely possible this is fake and North Korea didn't commit any crime at all. Is it likely? No. But it is possible.

[Doomsday101]

Everyone acts as if our country does not partake in promoting propaganda either. Hell its entirely possible this is fake and North Korea didn't commit any crime at all. Is it likely? No. But it is possible.

Yeah the ship sank itself with a torpedo strike. It was not the US who even came to that conclusion but an independent finding headed by the Aussies.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Yeah the ship sank itself with a torpedo strike. It was not the US who even came to that conclusion but an independent finding headed by the Aussies.

I doubt the Aussies like them, and independent my ***. The Aussies very well couldve gone

"yo SK, were ganna torpedo a ship and blame NK ya cool w that"


"Ya np, just get this one."


and there we are, im not saying I dont believe NK is at fault im just saying there is always the possibility.

[Jon88]

Yeah the ship sank itself with a torpedo strike. It was not the US who even came to that conclusion but an independent finding headed by the Aussies.

It's entirely possible that the ship shot itself with a torpedo. It wanted to see what would happen.

[Doomsday101]

I doubt the Aussies like them, and independent my ***. The Aussies very well couldve gone

"yo SK, were ganna torpedo a ship and blame NK ya cool w that"


"Ya np, just get this one."


and there we are, im not saying I dont believe NK is at fault im just saying there is always the possibility.

Anything is possible but NK has a long list of things they have done. This is not a benefit to the US or S. Korea who has allot riding on the line, if a conflict does break out Soule is right at the front line and would be wiped out quickly in a conflict. SK is placing the blame on NK because their ship was attacked by NK

[joseephuss]

It's entirely possible that the ship shot itself with a torpedo. It wanted to see what would happen.

It was BP.

[Doomsday101]

It was BP.

The company or Coach? :laugh2:

[joseephuss]

The company or Coach? :laugh2:

The one on this site. He trained dolphins with lasers and admitted to as much in another thread.

[vta]

I doubt the Aussies like them, and independent my ***. The Aussies very well couldve gone

"yo SK, were ganna torpedo a ship and blame NK ya cool w that"


"Ya np, just get this one."


and there we are, im not saying I dont believe NK is at fault im just saying there is always the possibility.

:laugh2:

The new age of international diplomacy; I'ma bust yo *** and blame dem. You down cuz?

I'm sure S.Korea wouldn't sacrifice it's own men to find something to blame on the retards in the North.

[Doomsday101]

The one on this site. He trained dolphins with lasers and admitted to as much in another thread.

ah yes I forgot about our resident dr. evil BP with his fricken laser on the dolphin. :laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

:laugh2:

The new age of international diplomacy; I'ma bust yo *** and blame dem. You down cuz?

I'm sure S.Korea wouldn't sacrifice it's own men to find something to blame on the retards in the North.

I reckon it wouldn't be the first, or last time something like it occured.

[Dallas]

I reckon it wouldn't be the first, or last time something like it occured.

Put one of these on and call Brainpaint. I am certain he has extra lasers laying around and wouldnt be against you "swimming w/ the dolphins."


http://theinsanityreport.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/tinfoilhat.jpg

[Bob Sacamano]

North Korea is praying if it comes to military intervention that China steps in again.

[Cover 2]

I doubt the Aussies like them, and independent my ***. The Aussies very well couldve gone

"yo SK, were ganna torpedo a ship and blame NK ya cool w that"


"Ya np, just get this one."


and there we are, im not saying I dont believe NK is at fault im just saying there is always the possibility.
:lmao2:
No way this is plausible at all.

[kmp77]

Which is why someone needs to finally kill him. And his son.

He's an immortal god, you can't kill him :mad:

[Romo 2 Austin]

:lmao2:
No way this is plausible at all.

The convos may not have gone down exactly like that :laugh2:



but all im saying is anything is possible when it comes to politics.

[arglebargle]

They've got nukes, and they are crazy enough to maybe use them. Or give some away. The salient example of why nuckes are desired by so many countries that don't have 'em.

Their leaders are a stain on the planet. Just not the right kind of stain at this point.

[vta]

Their leaders are a stain on the planet. Just not the right kind of stain at this point.

:laugh2:

[SaltwaterServr]

I doubt the Aussies like them, and independent my ***. The Aussies very well couldve gone

"yo SK, were ganna torpedo a ship and blame NK ya cool w that"


"Ya np, just get this one."


and there we are, im not saying I dont believe NK is at fault im just saying there is always the possibility.

:rolleyes:

[burmafrd]

you know romo 2, you really should do some research before posting something like that. A couple of minutes doing that will save you a lot of embarrassment at looking like a total fool. NK has done things like that for more then 50 years. Kidnappings, assassinations, and so on.

[Sam I Am]

I can't believe South Korea hasn't retaliated. That would be the final straw. They're *** would be mine.

Because North Korea would kick South Korea's *** military wise. South Korea needs the support of the UN, (read US) otherwise they're toast.

The fact that they were launching a warship (increase military power) is exactly why North Korea sank it.

[zrinkill]

I doubt the Aussies like them, and independent my ***. The Aussies very well couldve gone

"yo SK, were ganna torpedo a ship and blame NK ya cool w that"


"Ya np, just get this one."


and there we are, im not saying I dont believe NK is at fault im just saying there is always the possibility.


16 year old idea of Warfare.

[BrAinPaiNt]

16 year old idea of Warfare.

Quit picking on the teenager...he hates America.

[Yeagermeister]

Quit picking on the teenager...he hates America.

Maybe you should share some of your Craigslist wimmens with him. :laugh2:

[big dog cowboy]

you know romo 2, you really should do some research before posting something like that. A couple of minutes doing that will save you a lot of embarrassment at looking like a total fool.
Baby steps man baby steps. I think I finally convinced him the Dallas Cowboys existed before the 90's.

[Yeagermeister]

Baby steps man baby steps. I think I finally convinced him the Dallas Cowboys existed before the 90's.

:ohno:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Maybe you should share some of your Craigslist wimmens with him. :laugh2:

Let's not go overboard now. No need to over react here.

[Yeagermeister]

Let's not go overboard now. No need to over react here.

True...thanks for pulling me back :laugh2:

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see know advantage in South Korea making such accusations. It serves no purpose that I can see.

[Doomsday101]

I see know advantage in South Korea making such accusations. It serves no purpose that I can see.

No doubt about it. The South has done allot to appease the North including giving them humanitarian aid and fuel. Much of this to avoid a conflict but the game changes now that the North fired on and sank a South Korean ship

[Romo 2 Austin]

Quit picking on the teenager...he hates America.

How do i hate america


Posted on ipod

[BrAinPaiNt]

How do i hate america


Posted on ipod

You would have to answer that for yourself....I don't know why you hate America.

[Doomsday101]

You would have to answer that for yourself....I don't know why you hate America.

He needs some James Brown to turn that around

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[arglebargle]

you know romo 2, you really should do some research before posting something like that. A couple of minutes doing that will save you a lot of embarrassment at looking like a total fool. NK has done things like that for more then 50 years. Kidnappings, assassinations, and so on.

No kidding. This is like going to a gunfight with no ammunition and a plugged barrel.

The North Koreans have been pulling all sorts of violent activities for decades. Most soldiers that I talked to who worked the DMZ told me that there were nightly incursions along its length, guns fired, people killed, etc. The North Koreans have not been shy about killing/kidnapping and such in foreign countries either.

IF Romo 2 does even a little bit of research he would pull up all sorts of stories on such events. Lacking this sort of thing will not help give his other opinions much credence.

[Romo 2 Austin]

No kidding. This is like going to a gunfight with no ammunition and a plugged barrel.

The North Koreans have been pulling all sorts of violent activities for decades. Most soldiers that I talked to who worked the DMZ told me that there were nightly incursions along its length, guns fired, people killed, etc. The North Koreans have not been shy about killing/kidnapping and such in foreign countries either.

IF Romo 2 does even a little bit of research he would pull up all sorts of stories on such events. Lacking this sort of thing will not help give his other opinions much credence.
I know about North Koreas past, but i'm just saying don't jump to definitive conclusions

[Romo 2 Austin]

You would have to answer that for yourself....I don't know why you hate America.

I said how, not why, because I don't :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

I said how, not why, because I don't :laugh2:

I don't know how you do it. I mean I could not...but then again I served my country and was stationed in S.Korea for a year so I probably have a little more understanding of the tensions between the two countries than you do. I just don't see S.Korea pulling a canadian bacon situation to try and get N.Korea to attack them especially when they know N.Korea could do some serious damage to them and already have many, many, MANY targets mapped out in S.Korea.

So maybe it is your youth, maybe it is puberty causing too much testosterone running through that body where you were not used to it before...not sure how you could hate the greatest country in the world.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I don't know how you do it. I mean I could not...but then again I served my country and was stationed in S.Korea for a year so I probably have a little more understanding of the tensions between the two countries than you do. I just don't see S.Korea pulling a canadian bacon situation to try and get N.Korea to attack them especially when they know N.Korea could do some serious damage to them and already have many, many, MANY targets mapped out in S.Korea.

So maybe it is your youth, maybe it is puberty causing too much testosterone running through that body where you were not used to it before...not sure how you could hate the greatest country in the world.
I don't hate it.


Theres a difference between being skeptical of Australia and hating the US.

Atleast, I hope so. :laugh2:

[Maikeru-sama]

You would have to answer that for yourself....I don't know why you hate America.

:bow:

[peplaw06]

I know about North Koreas past, but i'm just saying don't jump to definitive conclusionsO rly? Where'd you learn that? Freshman History?

[burmafrd]

romo 2, when a snake has been biting for 50 years you act surprised when it bites you. Think about that for a while.

By the way, google HILL 303, Korean War.

[DallasCowpoke]

Theres a difference between being skeptical of Australia and hating the US.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Everyone%20Else/images-3/paul-hogan-crocodile-dundee.jpg
"R2A...You're a bloody WANKER!!"

[Romo 2 Austin]

O rly? Where'd you learn that? Freshman History?

We do GLOBAL in 9th and 10th so we just learn useless stuff from the stoneage/ this year we learned the korean war, in 1 day. It was sad since we really just learned nothing, I got a 100 on the test though :laugh2:

[Romo 2 Austin]

romo 2, when a snake has been biting for 50 years you act surprised when it bites you. Think about that for a while.

By the way, google HILL 303, Korean War.

I'm just saying I prefer to give people/nations the benefit of the doubt, except for Roy Williams. I never get mad, ya'll should've noticed that by now. Only at rw11.

[CowboyMcCoy]

http://theinsanityreport.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/tinfoilhat.jpg

Hey Dallas, there is a sticky for these in the members zone. I'm glad you finally posted yours. :)

[Jon88]

We do GLOBAL in 9th and 10th so we just learn useless stuff from the stoneage/ this year we learned the korean war, in 1 day. It was sad since we really just learned nothing, I got a 100 on the test though :laugh2:

I hated History so bad. I just memorized it to get an A or a B. Couldn't bring home any C's.

[Cover 2]

No doubt about it. The South has done allot to appease the North including giving them humanitarian aid and fuel. Much of this to avoid a conflict but the game changes now that the North fired on and sank a South Korean ship
Yep. I'm actually surprised what all South Korea has done for North Korea. I think it's because the South Koreans feel sorry for their northern neighbors, but if I were in charge of SK there would be no more NK...

[Jon88]

Yep. I'm actually surprised what all South Korea has done for North Korea. I think it's because the South Koreans feel sorry for their northern neighbors, but if I were in charge of SK there would be no more NK...

Same here. "Hey, they blow up our ships but lets give them fuel and food."

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yep. I'm actually surprised what all South Korea has done for North Korea. I think it's because the South Koreans feel sorry for their northern neighbors, but if I were in charge of SK there would be no more NK...

It is because many Koreans (at least in the South) want to be a united country. Now they don't want it to be under someone like Lil Kim but many do want to be united.

That is not saying anything bad about the South Korean people. They just want to see the suffering of many N. Koreans stop and want to be one country that can exist in a peaceful state.

[5Stars]

It is because many Koreans (at least in the South) want to be a united country. Now they don't want it to be under someone like Lil Kim but many do want to be united.

That is not saying anything bad about the South Korean people. They just want to see the suffering of many N. Koreans stop and want to be one country that can exist in a peaceful state.


But, please tell me?


Why do you hate America?


:cool:

[Cover 2]

It is because many Koreans (at least in the South) want to be a united country. Now they don't want it to be under someone like Lil Kim but many do want to be united.

That is not saying anything bad about the South Korean people. They just want to see the suffering of many N. Koreans stop and want to be one country that can exist in a peaceful state.
Yeah. It really isn't the fault of the North Korean people. Millions of them are starving. But I do consider Kim Jong Il to be extremely dangerous and he needs to be taken out. Although that could very well cause a bloody war that has massive casualties for both sides, so that would be another reason not to go to war.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I hated History so bad. I just memorized it to get an A or a B. Couldn't bring home any C's.

I love history in general, but I hate how they rush through all the mistakes we made as a country, like the Korean/Vietnam war, earn em in 2 days. wth? While the American Revolution takes 3 months.

[Jon88]

I love history in general, but I hate how they rush through all the mistakes we made as a country, like the Korean/Vietnam war, earn em in 2 days. wth? While the American Revolution takes 3 months.

It was like pulling teeth for me. I'm just not a history buff.

Louisiana History was a little interesting though.

[Romo 2 Austin]

It was like pulling teeth for me. I'm just not a history buff.

Louisiana History was a little interesting though.

I'm a history stud. The tests are SO easy, if you miss an entire topic you still get atleast an 80. You just look at the choices and go, ok who was the president, what political party where they and what were the key issues. Then you usually get it down to 2 choices and then one usually makes sense and one is dum.

Tests are easy its just how you approach them lol

[Jon88]

I'm a history stud. The tests are SO easy, if you miss an entire topic you still get atleast an 80. You just look at the choices and go, ok who was the president, what political party where they and what were the key issues. Then you usually get it down to 2 choices and then one usually makes sense and one is dum.

Tests are easy its just how you approach them lol

Wait until you get to college. The tests there require a lot of thinking. I thought I was going to breeze through college like I did in highschool. It wasn't the case. My GPA dropped from a 3.5 in highschool to a 3.0.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Wait until you get to college. The tests there require a lot of thinking. I thought I was going to breeze through college like I did in highschool. It wasn't the case. My GPA dropped from a 3.5 in highschool to a 3.0.

I have issues with my fine motor skills and can not take notes. My handwriting is illegible, so with the addition of a laptop taking notes it will get easier for me. Or atleast stay the same.

[SaltwaterServr]

Wait until you get to college. The tests there require a lot of thinking. I thought I was going to breeze through college like I did in highschool. It wasn't the case. My GPA dropped from a 3.5 in highschool to a 3.0.

No kidding. My US History, 1877-Present final exam at Texas Tech was a killer. The professor was from Colorado State, on a one semester contract, doing research at Tech. 50 questions, multiple guess plus a single essay question.

"Describe any social, political, socio-economic, or events of interest from 1887 to present time that shaped the modern United States."

Translated: Write the book in the time remaining.

I took that test in the spring of 1993. I still remember that question being written on the board and the groans of people as they read it and recognized what it meant.

I write fast. Really fast. 27 pages in a blue book. It dropped me from an A to a C. Everyone I knew failed the class. I ran into one of the TA's the next semester and he remembered that I passed. Out of class of hundreds. Folks that have attended Texas Tech, it was in one of those cavernous lecture rooms in Holden Hall.

That's my final exam horror story.

Romo2Austin, you'll need to do what you can about taking better notes by hand. Eventually you'll run into a prof that expects you to be able to keep up in taking notes with how fast they speak, and the text book won't help worth a damn.

A professor I had at SWT would diagram biochemical pathways, turn, explain them, then erase them to start the next point. Almost impossible to keep up with, and even in the nightly study sessions we couldn't put the diagrams completely back together from the notes we had. You ended up in the library on the weekends trying to find the right reference material to put together coherent notes to start to study for the test.

[Romo 2 Austin]

No kidding. My US History, 1877-Present final exam at Texas Tech was a killer. The professor was from Colorado State, on a one semester contract, doing research at Tech. 50 questions, multiple guess plus a single essay question.

"Describe any social, political, socio-economic, or events of interest from 1887 to present time that shaped the modern United States."

Translated: Write the book in the time remaining.

I took that test in the spring of 1993. I still remember that question being written on the board and the groans of people as they read it and recognized what it meant.

I write fast. Really fast. 27 pages in a blue book. It dropped me from an A to a C. Everyone I knew failed the class. I ran into one of the TA's the next semester and he remembered that I passed. Out of class of hundreds. Folks that have attended Texas Tech, it was in one of those cavernous lecture rooms in Holden Hall.

That's my final exam horror story.

Romo2Austin, you'll need to do what you can about taking better notes by hand. Eventually you'll run into a prof that expects you to be able to keep up in taking notes with how fast they speak, and the text book won't help worth a damn.

A professor I had at SWT would diagram biochemical pathways, turn, explain them, then erase them to start the next point. Almost impossible to keep up with, and even in the nightly study sessions we couldn't put the diagrams completely back together from the notes we had. You ended up in the library on the weekends trying to find the right reference material to put together coherent notes to start to study for the test.

I type faster than people talk ;)

[burmafrd]

Romo 2, it is STUPID to give a serial killer the benefit of the doubt. THAT is the parallel to North Korea.

[Jon88]

This is what I would unleash

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[SaltwaterServr]

This is what I would unleash

9MlA1qqNoJE&playnext_from=TL&videos=Cc2LuazQ6_o

That one around 2:30 is sick. The camera shakes, and you can see the rounds coming in from the top left quarter of the video. 4 orders of Hamburger Helper to go.

One of my favorites is "Muj Hotel" on You Tube. It's the 38 second video clip. Can't link to it because of language, but I think we should have gotten Kimmy a suite for the day.

[Jon88]

That one around 2:30 is sick. The camera shakes, and you can see the rounds coming in from the top left quarter of the video. 4 orders of Hamburger Helper to go.

One of my favorites is "Muj Hotel" on You Tube. It's the 38 second video clip. Can't link to it because of language, but I think we should have gotten Kimmy a suite for the day.

I'll look up Muj Hotel. PM me when you get the details.

I love this clip. It makes me proud of my boys so to speak, who I work to support.

As far as 2:30...You mess with the bull, you get the horns. At least.