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bbailey423

06-17-2010, 06:20 PM

its going to take alot more than that, he had 7 tds last year. i think minimum is 1000yrd with 10td
for THIS to happen....someone elses numbers are going to have to go down. And my vote would be Witten. I love Witten. Respect Witten. Think he is on his way to the HOF. But I have said it before and I will say it again....you cannot have 98 catches and 2 TDs. His catches need to be down around 80. Just like Barbers touches need to go down. Are most explosive players need to touch the ball. Bennett needs to get his head out of his rear end and be a playmaker.....Felix needs to get some of the carries Barber has been getting.....and Roy needs to get some of the touches Witten got. I don't need yards from Roy as much as I need TDs. He should be a double digit TD guy. If he does that...I will be happy.

Jack-Reacher

06-17-2010, 06:29 PM

I would just like to see RW as a viable 3rd down go to receiver. Unless he pulls a 1400 yrd 14 td season I dont see him on the roster next year.

rkell87

06-17-2010, 06:32 PM

you may be happy with the tds and low yards but it wont keep him on the team. if its tds and no yards i want that to be marty, he needs to be a redzone monster. roy needs to catch those 9 he dropped plus the dozen or so more that arent drops but still on him for wrong route depth/route/separation etc. and a few more tds and he will be fine. but thats a lot to have to fix in one season

Romo 2 Austin

06-17-2010, 06:39 PM

Deion talks Roy Williams on Ben and Skin (http://app.quickblogcast.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/deion_beandskin_jun17.mp3)

Usually Deion is not betting on Roy Williams, but it seems like he thinks Roy is going to come out this season and show us his talent will shine through.

I am at the point now with Roy that I will believe it when I see it. I need at least 60 catches and 8 TD's from Roy in 2010 for him to be back in 2011.

Didn't he make a dumb prediction last year. or was that emmitt, or both.

WoodysGirl

06-17-2010, 07:15 PM

Deion: I'm betting on Roy Williams

Jun 175:13PM CT
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By Tim MacMahon

Deion Sanders said something on the The Ben & Skin Show this morning that surprised me.

He believes Roy Williams will get it right this season.

It's not so much the opinion that raised my eyebrows, although I'm skeptical about Williams' production after seeing him struggle for the last season and a half. It's the source.

Prime Time ripped Roy long before fans and local media picked up the pitchforks and chased the receiver around Valley Ranch. Sanders declared the Williams deal lopsided in the Lions' favor the day it went down ... and certainly has no reason to back off now, since it certainly looks like he was right.

But Sanders switched the subject from Dez Bryant ("no pressure on him") to Williams to publicly proclaim that he believes the $9 million will perform this season, albeit perhaps not at a No. 1 level.

"You know why I’m betting on him this year?" Sanders said. "Because his back is against the wall, he has to perform and I think he has that inside of him that knows, ‘Man, if I don’t do it, this is it. This may be the end of my career.’ And I’m betting on him. I think he’s going to go and make the plays.

"He’s going to make the plays that are called to him. He isn’t going to catch 90 or 100 balls, because they’re not going to call his number that many times. He’s going to be on the backside of the double teams that probably Miles will warrant or Witten will warrant, and he’s going to have to win one-on-ones. But I’m betting this year he’s going to win it.

"He’s going to come out and he’s going have a new swagger … because he knows this could be it."

CATCH17

06-17-2010, 07:18 PM

its going to take alot more than that, he had 7 tds last year. i think minimum is 1000yrd with 10td

No. He doesn't need a 1000. I don't expect a 1000. To many good players.

800 yards, 55 catches, and 6-8 TD's is what we need from him.

As far as his contract goes he'll never live up to it here.

rkell87

06-17-2010, 07:38 PM

No. He doesn't need a 1000. I don't expect a 1000. To many good players.

800 yards, 55 catches, and 6-8 TD's is what we need from him.

As far as his contract goes he'll never live up to it here.
the question was what will it take for him to be back. he would have blown your #s out of the water by catching his drops alone. 1000 and 10 is what it will take for him to even be considered to be brought back

jswalker1981

06-17-2010, 09:41 PM

Didn't he make a dumb prediction last year. or was that emmitt, or both.

Both, sort of. Emmitt made a bad record prediction. Deion made a doom and gloom prediction saying that we would miss TO and fans wouldn't be yelling for Miles Austin. It is in one of the "Believe" videos that we had up before the playoffs. It was one of the worst predictions I've ever heard. He said, "I could lie to you and make you feel good", acting as if he was unbiased, but he totally came through as a TO supporter.

jacks1

06-17-2010, 09:47 PM

Romo has zero confidence in Roy. He simply won't see enough balls, and shouldn't, to make a huge contribution. I'll take any contribution for this year and then hit the road Roy.

Jon88

06-17-2010, 11:00 PM

I don't bet on losers.

It's against my policy.

gimmesix

06-17-2010, 11:03 PM

I would just like to see RW as a viable 3rd down go to receiver. Unless he pulls a 1400 yrd 14 td season I dont see him on the roster next year.

Man, people are just totally unrealistic in their expectations for him.

If Austin gets his catches and yards, can anyone expect Williams to be in that range?

If Witten gets his catches and yards, then there's just not enough to go around, especially if you add in Bryant.

What we need to look at is what Williams does with the passes thrown his way. How often does he catch the ball compared to being targeted? Does he force double-teams? Does his efforts help the offense move efficiently whether the ball goes to him or not?

Our concern should be the ability of the offense to move the ball, not who the ball goes to and how many times. Putting a number on expectations is just not a good overall measure of value.

dcfanatic

06-18-2010, 01:05 AM

Man, people are just totally unrealistic in their expectations for him.

If Austin gets his catches and yards, can anyone expect Williams to be in that range?

If Witten gets his catches and yards, then there's just not enough to go around, especially if you add in Bryant.

What we need to look at is what Williams does with the passes thrown his way. How often does he catch the ball compared to being targeted? Does he force double-teams? Does his efforts help the offense move efficiently whether the ball goes to him or not?

Our concern should be the ability of the offense to move the ball, not who the ball goes to and how many times. Putting a number on expectations is just not a good overall measure of value.

Jerry Jones is the one who created this high standard.

When you give up a 1st and 3rd plus $45 mil for a guy you expect him to be a WR who can have a somewhat realistic goal of 1400 yards and 12 TD's. Maybe it's the high end of the expectation but it's within reach if he has a great season.

A guy who comes up with less that 50 catches and around 500-700 yards is supposed to be earning 'Patrick Crayton 2010 money'.

Like I said earlier if Roy can come up with 60 catches and 8 TD's within this offense I would be ecstatic with him.

Jon88

06-18-2010, 01:10 AM

Jerry Jones is the one who created this high standard.

When you give up a 1st and 3rd plus $45 mil for a guy you expect him to be a WR who can have a somewhat realistic goal of 1400 yards and 12 TD's. Maybe it's the high end of the expectation but it's within reach if he has a great season.

A guy who comes up with less that 50 catches and around 500-700 yards is supposed to be earning 'Patrick Crayton 2010 money'.

Like I said earlier if Roy can come up with 60 catches and 8 TD's within this offense I would be ecstatic with him.

He gets paid regardless. He blew off Irvin. That alone should have gotten him sent packing IMO because that shows the loser mentality he has. I hate him. He'll always be a loser until he takes responsibility. And stop with the flaming first downs. Irvin should kick his you know what for that.

Jack-Reacher

06-18-2010, 01:32 AM

CowboyFan74

06-18-2010, 01:34 AM

12 TD's
1,200 Yds

or the bench....

Jon88

06-18-2010, 01:37 AM

I do not expect him to put up those numbers, my post was a reflection of my opinion of what kind of season he would need to silence the critics. If he has a solid year, and is willing to rework his deal next year to something that better reflects his level of performance, then he may very well stay. RW believes in his heart though that he is a Number 1 receiver, and if he has another down year again, I think we will see the excuses come out as to why, and then ultimately he will be gone.

He's awful. Unbelievable trade. Unreal. The next time Jerry wants to trade major picks and money for losers I hope I know of it beforehand. I don't want to be a part of anything like it. Stupid.

Jack-Reacher

06-18-2010, 01:40 AM

I don't want to be a part of anything like it. Stupid.

How much did you dig into your pocket for the RW deal?

Jon88

06-18-2010, 01:41 AM

How much did you dig into your pocket for the RW deal?

The cost of tickets and the cost of watching the loser drop balls and then blame Romo.

Stupid trade.

Then its more stupid to let the loser keep making excuses on why he's a loser.

Kick his *** off the team. Lose the ego.

Jack-Reacher

06-18-2010, 02:48 AM

The cost of tickets and the cost of watching the loser drop balls and then blame Romo.

Stupid trade.

Then its more stupid to let the loser keep making excuses on why he's a loser.

Kick his *** off the team. Lose the ego.

So then nothing? You would have bought the tickets regardless of whether that trade went down anyway wouldn't you? Its more of an emotional cost then isn't it? I am not discounting that, and I am not defending the trade worked in our favor, but I will say that I do not want Jerry to quite bringing in Veteran Players, via trade free agency etc. You will not hit a home run every time you step up to the plate, and it is foolhardy to think that Jones does these kinds of deals without getting input from the people around him. I was all for the trade when it happened, I though he made our receivers better almost immediately. I am just as frustrated as you with his lack of production and his seemingly no-fault attitude. I know that Jerry will not cut him before the season starts, well let's just say I have a strong belief that he wont. So rather than hope for him to fall on his face again, I am pulling for him to put up a decent season, if for no other reason than to have helped Jerry recoup some of the the money he lost on him. I don't want Jerry to turn into Lurie all off a sudden and decide he wont take any risks. That is one of the reasons I like the guy so much, he will go out and put his checkbook on the line when its needed. His approach is nowhere near as scattered as Snyders is, and I think that this trade withstanding Jerry has done some pretty darn good things for this team.

Jon88

06-18-2010, 02:53 AM

I read your post and I understand your stance.

But I would cut him.

Jack-Reacher

06-18-2010, 03:11 AM

I read your post and I understand your stance.

But I would cut him.

I can empathize with how you feel. I try to take the emotion out of it and salvage what we can from a bad investment. I think we both think the same thing, our timelines vary for different reasons.

I do appreciate how you feel though and it is a valid opinion.

Jon88

06-18-2010, 03:33 AM

I can empathize with how you feel. I try to take the emotion out of it and salvage what we can from a bad investment. I think we both think the same thing, our timelines vary for different reasons.

I do appreciate how you feel though and it is a valid opinion.

Thanks.

I hope he finally pans out.

It will be about time.

DallasEast

06-18-2010, 07:12 AM

Man, people are just totally unrealistic in their expectations for him.

If Austin gets his catches and yards, can anyone expect Williams to be in that range?

If Witten gets his catches and yards, then there's just not enough to go around, especially if you add in Bryant.

What we need to look at is what Williams does with the passes thrown his way. How often does he catch the ball compared to being targeted? Does he force double-teams? Does his efforts help the offense move efficiently whether the ball goes to him or not?

Our concern should be the ability of the offense to move the ball, not who the ball goes to and how many times. Putting a number on expectations is just not a good overall measure of value.
:post:
I do not expect him to put up those numbers, my post was a reflection of my opinion of what kind of season he would need to silence the critics. If he has a solid year, and is willing to rework his deal next year to something that better reflects his level of performance, then he may very well stay. RW believes in his heart though that he is a Number 1 receiver, and if he has another down year again, I think we will see the excuses come out as to why, and then ultimately he will be gone.
While eventually some may openly 'cut him some slack', it ain't happening. His critics will never be silenced under any circumstance.

Doomsday101

06-18-2010, 07:42 AM

I have no set number in mind for Roy. Given the weapons we have on offense I would hope we will spread the ball around. What I want to see from Roy is a guy making big plays to help this team win games. If Roy is making big plays that take more pressure off of others and forces defense to back off on double teaming.

Blast From The Past

06-18-2010, 11:33 AM

As far as his contract goes he'll never live up to it here.That is not entirely his fault. RW11 can just play as good as he can and let the chips fall where they may. I'll take the 7 td's he hauled in last year again this year with no problem-o.

Stautner

06-18-2010, 11:33 AM

Like Deion's prediction means anything.

DC Cowboy

06-18-2010, 12:48 PM

its going to take alot more than that, he had 7 tds last year. i think minimum is 1000yrd with 10td

too many weapons, so he might not get 1000 yds but he should get 10 TD's with his size alone.

Hoofbite

06-18-2010, 01:10 PM

Man, people are just totally unrealistic in their expectations for him.

If Austin gets his catches and yards, can anyone expect Williams to be in that range?

If Witten gets his catches and yards, then there's just not enough to go around, especially if you add in Bryant.

I love this type of spin-cycle rationalizing.

Austin only got his break because Roy COULDN'T get the job done. If Roy was producing like he was expected to, does anyone really think that "Austin gets his catches and yards"?

Nope, doesn't happen.

Furthermore, I think last season proved that no particular player is slotted for "his catches and yards". Roy sure wasn't so I don't see why Austin or any other receiver would be.

Whoever is getting open is getting the ball. That was the whole "Romo friendly" ordeal that was last offseason. TO is the type of player who has slotted catches and yards and he is no longer around.

What we need to look at is what Williams does with the passes thrown his way. How often does he catch the ball compared to being targeted? Does he force double-teams? Does his efforts help the offense move efficiently whether the ball goes to him or not?

People have looked at this is his number are piss poor. The only place he was even remotely useful was in the redzone. Outside of the redzone he was probably one of the worst starting receivers in the league.

Our concern should be the ability of the offense to move the ball, not who the ball goes to and how many times. Putting a number on expectations is just not a good overall measure of value.

If this is the case, then why is Austin slotted for "his catches and yards" as a reason why Roy can't live up to the expectations that his contract and the trade set out for him?

Hoofbite

06-18-2010, 01:14 PM

:post:

While eventually some may openly 'cut him some slack', it ain't happening. His critics will never be silenced under any circumstance.

He hasn't done a single thing on the field that would give any critic a reason to be silenced.

On the other hand, I'd like to know what exactly he has done that has given his defense team a reason for keeping up with the fight.

rkell87

06-18-2010, 02:00 PM

too many weapons, so he might not get 1000 yds but he should get 10 TD's with his size alone.
i agree, all my posts have reflected what i think it will take for him to be back with the team...which means i dont think he will be back with the team

chuffly

06-18-2010, 02:04 PM

At this point, I could care less if he ever puts up star numbers as far as yardage and receptions go. We've got a lot of weapons on offense so Roy probably won't get a ton of targets to put up the Pro Bowl numbers that his contract calls for. But he HAS to bring up his productivity with the targets he does get. 45% completion percentage and 7.1 yards/attempt are not acceptable from a starting wide receiver. Those are the two numbers that he needs to be judged on when determining whether this next season is a success or not.

Jack-Reacher

06-18-2010, 02:31 PM

He hasn't done a single thing on the field that would give any critic a reason to be silenced.

On the other hand, I'd like to know what exactly he has done that has given his defense team a reason for keeping up with the fight.

There in lies the entire crux of your dilemma. He doesn't have a defense team. Nobody has said RW has earned his contract, nobody is talking about him being all-world. The only thing that has been said is that he is going to be here another season, and that the people who are wishing him to fall flat again have a personal agenda of hate. I understand why people are upset with him, what I dont understand is the depth of their discord. It makes no sense.

ThreeSportStar80

06-18-2010, 03:07 PM

I expect Roy to be improved in 2010.

Stautner

06-18-2010, 03:14 PM

I expect Roy to be improved in 2010.

I hope for it, and I think it's possible, but I can't say I expect it.

chuffly

06-18-2010, 03:31 PM

I expect Roy to be improved in 2010.

All I know is that I don't expect him to play much worse.

Hoofbite

06-18-2010, 04:55 PM

There in lies the entire crux of your dilemma. He doesn't have a defense team. Nobody has said RW has earned his contract, nobody is talking about him being all-world. The only thing that has been said is that he is going to be here another season, and that the people who are wishing him to fall flat again have a personal agenda of hate. I understand why people are upset with him, what I dont understand is the depth of their discord. It makes no sense.

You're saying there aren't people on this board making excuse after excuse for him?

Doomsday101

06-18-2010, 04:59 PM

You're saying there aren't people on this board making excuse after excuse for him?

Not since the start of last year. I have yet to hear anyone make excuses for RW. I think there are some who would like to see him get things going because in doing that he helps this team.

Jack-Reacher

06-18-2010, 05:20 PM

That's exactly what I am saying, I do not see anyone making excuses for him. I see quite a few people who believe he will have a better year this year, myself included but I do not see that as making excuses for his past performance.

Hoofbite

06-18-2010, 05:21 PM

Not since the start of last year. I have yet to hear anyone make excuses for RW. I think there are some who would like to see him get things going because in doing that he helps this team.

I don't disagree. I think most everyone wants him to pull it together.

However, blaming the "chemistry" or saying there aren't enough balls for him to meet the expectations placed on him is nothing but an excuse.

Jack-Reacher

06-18-2010, 05:28 PM

I don't disagree. I think most everyone wants him to pull it together.

However, blaming the "chemistry" or saying there aren't enough balls for him to meet the expectations placed on him is nothing but an excuse.

Not necessarily. I see what you mean about it being an excuse but I think you might be taking it out of context. In order for RW to redeem himself he would have to have a monster year, in that vein, there probably wont be enough balls to go around to warrant that. That isn't an excuse or even a setup for an excuse at the end of the year. I think it is further argument that RW time here is done regardless of what happens this year, unless he renegotiates a much favorable contract.

I do agree with you that the "chemistry" argument is no longer valid. If he hasn't built chemistry with his QB by now, then it isn't going to happen. I have seen no proof that Romo goes out of his way to NOT throw the ball in RW's direction. I don't think that will change next year either, what does need to change is what RW does when the ball is thrown his way, and that will determine in the end what happens to him.

gimmesix

06-18-2010, 06:02 PM

I love this type of spin-cycle rationalizing.

Austin only got his break because Roy COULDN'T get the job done. If Roy was producing like he was expected to, does anyone really think that "Austin gets his catches and yards"?

Nope, doesn't happen.

Austin got his break because Roy got hurt and Austin stepped in and produced. Yes, his numbers would have been down some if Williams produced like expected. Then, we would have fans claiming that Austin isn't the answer as Terrell Owens' replacement because he didn't produce enough yards or touchdowns.

The point is that with the players we've got on offense, looking for a set amount of yardage or TDs as a measuring stick isn't the right way to go (for any of the receivers). If Williams does take catches away from Austin this year, then we will have fans wondering what happened to Austin instead of looking at the big picture.

How the offense does is what matter not the fantasy numbers for any individual player.

Furthermore, I think last season proved that no particular player is slotted for "his catches and yards". Roy sure wasn't so I don't see why Austin or any other receiver would be.

Whoever is getting open is getting the ball. That was the whole "Romo friendly" ordeal that was last offseason. TO is the type of player who has slotted catches and yards and he is no longer around.

Slotted is really the wrong term. The truth of it is that there are only so many balls to go around. The ideal for this team is that it would be spread evenly among all the receiving threats, but I don't think that's realistic.

Austin established himself as the No. 1 receiver, and we can look at Witten's numbers the past few years to know about what to expect from him. Reality says Williams' role will be to establish enough of a threat that teams cannot double-team Austin and Witten without Romo being able to just throw the ball to Roy. If Williams does that, his role in this offense is a success no matter what numbers he produces. If he doesn't do that (teams successfully cover him 1-on-1 or he drops his opportunities or runs wrong routes on his opportunities), then he needs to be replaced as the starter.

I think whether Williams has a successful season can be measured, but most people will take the lazy way out and just look at his number of catches, yards and TDs. Impact goes far beyond such things.

rysko

06-18-2010, 06:09 PM

I'll be happy if RW has 800 yards 8 TD's. I think anything more and too many balls are being forced his way. Personally I just hope his YPC/YAC and first down numbers are high. We have so many weapons that we literally do not need Roy to put up #1 wide receiver numbers. We assume Austin will. If RW has huge #'s, that means our running game either went to ****, all of our other receivers are not performing (maybe Austin injury), or Jason Witten got injured/our tight ends did not do anything for us (not likely.)