Vick's party may be last straw in Philly

[Gryphon]

06:16 AM ET 06.27 | Michael Vick has always known he was on thin ice with the Eagles. How could he be on any other terms considering his past history. So when Vick's public birthday party ended with someone being shot -- one of his co-defendants in the dogfighting trial, no less -- it certainly spelled the beginning of the end for Vick's time with the Philadelphia Eagles. First, the Eagles took a chance on Vick and counted on him to act up to a higher standard. Second, Andy Reid is a no nonsense coach, the Eagles have a no nonsense front office and no nonsense ownership: This group doesn't just want to minimize distractions, they want to eliminate them. Now, Vick is a distraction once again, and chances are he will leave.

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[Aikbach]

I think perhaps his IQ and his 40 time are identical.

[Stautner]

I'm no Vick fan, but from what I understand the guy who was shot was an uninvited guest who was asked to leave. He was a former Vick crony, but one Vick did not invite or intend to be at the party. The guy initiated everything and there is no indication that Vick did anything wrong himself.

[PhillyCowboysFan]

06:16 AM ET 06.27 |Andy Reid is a no nonsense coach, the Eagles have a no nonsense front office and no nonsense ownership

Are they?

[dadymat]

I'm no Vick fan, but from what I understand the guy who was shot was an uninvited guest who was asked to leave. He was a former Vick crony, but one Vick did not invite or intend to be at the party. The guy initiated everything and there is no indication that Vick did anything wrong himself.


so showing up to a party uninvited is grounds to get shot?.......bummer

[Mansta54]

so showing up to a party uninvited is grounds to get shot?.......bummer


No it isn't but Vick didn't shoot him, he had gone home. Whats he got to do with it?

[JustDezIt]

I also heard that he threw cake in vick's face, not sayin its a reason to get shot but it is more then just showing up uninvited.

[FolsomCowboy]

I think the issue is going to be why would you even have the party in such an environment, it is just a very bad choice especially considering it is Michael Vick

[Stautner]

so showing up to a party uninvited is grounds to get shot?.......bummer

Now THERE's a completely asinine leap of logic.

Unless you have some evidence that nobody else has that indicates Vick had some involvement in shooting the guy as a reaction to him crashing the party, then your statement makes no sense at all.

[Stautner]

I think the issue is going to be why would you even have the party in such an environment, it is just a very bad choice especially considering it is Michael Vick

This could come into play, or maybe not. It could be that the environement was a normally pretty safe one and that the only issue was the idiot who tried to crash the party.

[ajk23az]

Does he really have to have a birthday party at all? He's freakin 30 years old, get past the birthday parties already.

[PhillyCowboysFan]

This could come into play, or maybe not. It could be that the environement was a normally pretty safe one and that the only issue was the idiot who tried to crash the party.

Ah no!

Vick’s party was advertized on local radio and was open to anyone that wanted to attend. You had to pay an admission fee and the dress code was no sneaks, boots or sweats (well that left out Plax :lmao:). Why would he not celebrate with a closed party attended by friends and family only?

It was stupid to have open party that any criminal element could attend when you are on a prohibited probation. Just stupid!

[HanD]

This could come into play, or maybe not. It could be that the environement was a normally pretty safe one and that the only issue was the idiot who tried to crash the party.

vick's past and circumstances with his employer would leave him as not the normal person. so an environment that is normally pretty safe for most people is not necessarily the best thing for Mr. Vick. People in his and pacman's shoes need to be extra careful. having said all that, i don't know that he did anything wrong or didn't take the proper precautions ahead of time but some knucklehead made it unavoidable. maybe a dinner at home with friends and family would have been the best for everyone...

EDIT**
okay if what is said is true about it being advertised on the radio and an open party...it was beyond stupid and reckless of him...

[Fletch]

Does he really have to have a birthday party at all? He's freakin 30 years old, get past the birthday parties already.

Tell that to T.O.

[AbeBeta]

I'm no Vick fan, but from what I understand the guy who was shot was an uninvited guest who was asked to leave. He was a former Vick crony, but one Vick did not invite or intend to be at the party. The guy initiated everything and there is no indication that Vick did anything wrong himself.

umm, anyone could buy a ticket to the party. That's not "uninvited" - you sell tickets you deal with who shows up. You aren't allowed to associate with certain people so you don't put yourself in those situations.

[Cover 2]

Ah no!

Vick’s party was advertized on local radio and was open to anyone that wanted to attend. You had to pay an admission fee and the dress code was no sneaks, boots or sweats (well that left out Plax :lmao:). Why would he not celebrate with a closed party attended by friends and family only?

It was stupid to have open party that any criminal element could attend when you are on a prohibited probation. Just stupid!
I wonder if this was because of his money troubles.

[Wood]

its just poor judgement on Vicks part. His original intentions might not to be for anything to go wrong (just like Pacman the night he was at the bar in Dallas)....but when the league is giving u a second change....u cant operate like before. Its means not throwing public parties anymore, not hanging out in bars, and having low visability. I confounded how trouble just seems to follow certain people.

[cowboyjoe]

Vick's ban on associating with felons goes beyond six months per PFT
Posted by Mike Florio on June 28, 2010 9:30 PM ET
Earlier on Monday we posted an item on the beliefs of BET producer Ahmadu Gabra, whose Holiday Inn Express dabblings in the law caused him to conclude that Eagles quarterback Mike Vick was required to avoid his former partners in Bad Newz Kennels for only six months after being released from jail.

That was news to us, so we tracked down the official order containing the terms of Vick's probation, which technically is known as "supervised release." At item 10 in the list of conditions of the supervision, the order states that Vick "shall not associate with any persons engaged in criminal activity and shall not associate with any person convicted of a felony, unless granted permission by the probation officer to do so."

Thus, unless his probation officer gave Vick blanket permission to associate with his former partners in Bad Newz Kennels, all of whom are convicted felons, any such association violates the terms of his probation.

And since Gabra apparently has been serving as an informal fixer/consigliere for Vick's entourage, Vick possibly relied at some point after the six-month anniversary of his release on Gabra's apparently mistaken views regarding the terms of the probation.

That's why we've been saying that the shooting at Vick's open-to-the-public birthday party operates like an IRS audit. Once the feds and/or the NFL start poking around in connection with whether Vick was "associating" with convicted felon Quanis Phillips on the evening in question, they may trip over something else, such as Vick's possible association with Phillips and/or other felons arising from the flawed reasoning of a television producer who may know just enough about the law to get Vick thrown back in jail.

[LandryFan]

I'm no Vick fan, but from what I understand the guy who was shot was an uninvited guest who was asked to leave. He was a former Vick crony, but one Vick did not invite or intend to be at the party. The guy initiated everything and there is no indication that Vick did anything wrong himself.
...except have a public party where anyone could show up and putting the NFL in a negative light, yet again. It's 2 am, a thug (who is a "former" associate) gets shot, vick's in trouble. No way out of it.

I really find it hard to believe that his partner-in-crime showed up uninvited. Even if he really did show up uninvited, Vick was a fool for putting himself in a position where such an event could occur. Poor, poor judgement on his part.

[davidyee]

...is simple.

Is it true that Vick allowed/consented to tickets being sold to the public for his birthday party?

If true, then he did leave himself open to a guy like Phillips showing up. He may not have engaged in criminal activity himself, but he did engage in stupid behavior.

Unless I have been living under a stump, Commissioner Gordon, has been throwing convicted players in NFL jail for stupidity lately.

Open invite on radio equals stupid Vick equals back to NFL jail.

If you read the script given to Ben Roethlisberger or any other player who has been suspended you don't need to be involved in criminal activity. Any behavior threatening the NFL's reputation is enough to have the commish's hammer fall on your head.

[Wood]

Vick is done...but the bad news is that most Eagle fans dont like him and probably think this is great news. Personally I would rather Vick stay on eagles because he is distraction to the team and he puts Eagles in poor light.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

...except have a public party where anyone could show up and putting the NFL in a negative light, yet again. It's 2 am, a thug (who is a "former" associate) gets shot, vick's in trouble. No way out of it.

I really find it hard to believe that his partner-in-crime showed up uninvited. Even if he really did show up uninvited, Vick was a fool for putting himself in a position where such an event could occur. Poor, poor judgement on his part.

He kicked the guy out thats why what happened happened outside. Its not like he was organizing a dogfight.

[AbeBeta]

He kicked the guy out thats why what happened happened outside. Its not like he was organizing a dogfight.

League's message is don't put yourself in positions where bad **** can happen.

Did he listen to that message?

You think most guys go looking for trouble? No, it finds them b/c they aren't smart. That's what the league is trying to step on. So the "well, he threw the guy out" argument is meaningless. Totally misses the point.

[ThreeSportStar80]

No it isn't but Vick didn't shoot him, he had gone home. Whats he got to do with it?

Exactly...

[Cover 2]

...is simple.

Is it true that Vick allowed/consented to tickets being sold to the public for his birthday party?

If true, then he did leave himself open to a guy like Phillips showing up. He may not have engaged in criminal activity himself, but he did engage in stupid behavior.

Unless I have been living under a stump, Commissioner Gordon, has been throwing convicted players in NFL jail for stupidity lately.

Open invite on radio equals stupid Vick equals back to NFL jail.

If you read the script given to Ben Roethlisberger or any other player who has been suspended you don't need to be involved in criminal activity. Any behavior threatening the NFL's reputation is enough to have the commish's hammer fall on your head.
Maybe he should just shine the bat signal and let Batman take care of it.

[Signals]

Shhhh! everyone hide, I think I here silverbear footsteps. :laugh2:

[jackrussell]

Why would he not celebrate with a closed party attended by friends and family only?



Haven't you been paying attention? He's not allowed to associate with other felons.

[Stautner]

vick's past and circumstances with his employer would leave him as not the normal person. so an environment that is normally pretty safe for most people is not necessarily the best thing for Mr. Vick. EDIT**
okay if what is said is true about it being advertised on the radio and an open party...it was beyond stupid and reckless of him...

Where should he be if not in environments that are normally safe? A nightclub may not have been the best choice, but the guy isn't on house arrest either.

its just poor judgement on Vicks part. His original intentions might not to be for anything to go wrong (just like Pacman the night he was at the bar in Dallas)....but when the league is giving u a second change....u cant operate like before. Its means not throwing public parties anymore, not hanging out in bars, and having low visability. I confounded how trouble just seems to follow certain people.

I just now read that it was a public deal where people could buy tickets. I suppose his thought was that it would get him some goodwill if he opened it up to the public, but he should have been smart enough to know it would also open it up to some of the undesireable public, and he shouldn't take that risk.

Vick is done...but the bad news is that most Eagle fans dont like him and probably think this is great news. Personally I would rather Vick stay on eagles because he is distraction to the team and he puts Eagles in poor light.

I think this blows over. It's a set back, but it seems unlikely that Vick will actually be linked to the shooting in any way. Maybe Goodell supends him for a couple of games, maybe not. I have to believe Vick had reason to believe the NFL would be okay with the party. If he didn't consider that then it's a big screw up.

[Doomsday101]

Vick was on thin ice to begin with throwing this party was not the brightest move. We are not talking about a normal situation we are talking about a guy who missed 2 years in the league while serving time his margin for error is not very big and this is not going to help matters.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Im just tired of hearing about this guy.

Let him fade into Bolivian
/Tyson

[Stautner]

Vick was on thin ice to begin with throwing this party was not the brightest move. We are not talking about a normal situation we are talking about a guy who missed 2 years in the league while serving time his margin for error is not very big and this is not going to help matters.

It wasn't the smartest idea, but I think how it affects Vick hinges a lot on what kind of restrictions (whether publically or privately) the NFL placed on Vick. I don't see the NFL coming down really hard unless there is some tangible link between Vick and the shooting, but I could see a wrist slap in any case.

[Doomsday101]

It wasn't the smartest idea, but I think how it affects Vick hinges a lot on what kind of restrictions (whether publically or privately) the NFL placed on Vick. I don't see the NFL coming down really hard unless there is some tangible link between Vick and the shooting, but I could see a wrist slap in any case.

True I don't know what kind of restriction the NFL or the Fed put on him when he was given parole. Again this is not an avg situation Vick was doing time, this is not something he needed to do. If a guy is not going to use his brain then to hell with him grow up for a change or at least get a clue which he does not appear to have.

Guys on parole do not throw parties at night clubs and sell tickets to the event Come on the guy is on thin ice and he is out their skating on it. This guy can't afford bad judgement. Evidently there is no cure for stupid.

[GimmeTheBall!]

I also heard that he threw cake in vick's face, not sayin its a reason to get shot but it is more then just showing up uninvited.

In my native village in the foothills of the Aragats, throwing cake in one's face is considered a tribute and a good luck thing for the harvest and stuff. So anytime youse see someone you admire throw cake in his face. Or at least it is a custom endorsed by the Cake Council of Armenia.

[GimmeTheBall!]

I read that Vick supposedly was not there.
So any action by Roger G. would have to take that into account. It would be an iffy proposition to punish the dog killer if he were in fact somewhere else.

[Stautner]

I read that Vick supposedly was not there.
So any action by Roger G. would have to take that into account. It would be an iffy proposition to punish the dog killer if he were in fact somewhere else.

It would be iffy to throw the book at him, but I could see Goodell taking some action just for Vick putting himself in the situation for something to happen by having a public party in a nightclub.

[GimmeTheBall!]

It would be iffy to throw the book at him, but I could see Goodell taking some action just for Vick putting himself in the situation for something to happen by having a public party in a nightclub.

I say that if in fact Vick was not at the club or its immediate vicinity, that Roger will take NO action. And you think it will be "some action."

Let's make a friendly bet on this. Winner gets a lunch at the China Dragon buffet.
Love that Stautner guy! Talk about a defensive leader!

[Stautner]

I say that if in fact Vick was not at the club or its immediate vicinity, that Roger will take NO action. And you think it will be "some action."

Let's make a friendly bet on this. Winner gets a lunch at the China Dragon buffet.
Love that Stautner guy! Talk about a defensive leader!

I don't even necessarily think that there will be "some action", I just think it's possible. But what the hell, I could use some Chinese food, so your on.

[DCBoysfan]

Does he really have to have a birthday party at all? He's freakin 30 years old, get past the birthday parties already.

30 is too old for a birthday party?????..I didn't know there was an age ceiling on parties.:D

[cowboyjoe]

Shhhh! everyone hide, I think I here silverbear footsteps. :laugh2:

:eekmouse: run for cover everyone, silverbear is coming!

[cowboyjoe]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET
Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

[SkinsandTerps]

I will never understand the need for these "public" parties by celebrities.

There are always haters and idiots in the crowd.

Vick simply isn't smart enough to get it. It does not matter if the tab is paid for by the club and if they throw you a few grand also. They are not your livelihood. These people don't care about you.

And seriously, you don't even know these people in any way.

Stupid. I hope Vick is not involved for his own sake but it would not surprise me if he was (or his entourage).

[joseephuss]

The story just keeps on changing. Why would anyone give Vick the benefit of the doubt?

http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/teelblog/2010/06/more_details_on_shooting_after.html

More details on shooting after Vick's birthday bash

Today's Daily Press print story on the shooting that occurred after Michael Vick's birthday party in Virginia Beach last week did not include other details provided by Guadalajara restaurant spokesman Allen Fabijan.

Here they are:

Fabijan said time-stamped video shows the party crowd of approximately 300 exiting the restaurant as requested by security at 1:45 a.m., Friday. Vick and his entourage walked out the door between 1:55 and 2 a.m.

Vick, a Philadelphia Eagles quarterback from Newport News, stood outside the establishment until 2:07 shaking hands and signing autographs. He then got into the backseat of one of two cars parked in front of the restaurant.

At 2:10, shots rang out from the direction the two cars had traveled. Fabijan stressed that he is not saying Vick was involved in the shooting that wounded Quanis Phillips, a party attendee and a co-defendant of Vick's in the federal dogfighting case that sent both men to prison.

But Fabijan said he is disputing the account of Vick's lawyer, Larry Woodward, who claims that Vick "was long gone" when the shooting occurred.

Fabijan said that Vick's brother, Marcus, remained in the restaurant until about 2:23 a.m., settling with the entertainment company that rented Guadalajara for the party.

Fabijan added that Michael Vick has attended several functions at Guadalajara previously.

"He's come in unannounced," Fabijan said. "We've had absolutely no problems whatsoever with him or his entourage before."

Fabijan turned the video over to Virginia Beach police, who have said that Michael Vick is not a suspect in the case. Fabijan said he does not know what Phillips looks like and cannot say whether Phillips and Vick interacted.

Federal probation prohibits Vick and Phillips from associating with felons. Violation of probation could land both back in court and Vick in trouble with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

[big dog cowboy]

Thank God we were not interested in Vick. What a nightmare.

[cowboyjoe]

Thank God we were not interested in Vick. What a nightmare.

:pray: Yes, thank you Lord, for not letting Jerry Jones be interested in Vick! :pray:

[UnoDallas]

Report: Marcus Vick could be involved in shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 30, 2010 6:36 PM ET
So I went on the Game 102.1 FM in Virginia Beach this afternoon to talk about Michael Vick (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2107). Before the segment was over, the hosts (Johnny D. and Bartley Barefoot) proceeded to break some news.

The radio station has sources that Marcus Vick, Michael's brother, was involved in the shooting that took place after Vick's 30th birthday party last Friday morning. It's uncertain what "involved"means here precisely. ESPN's Adam Schefter said earlier on Wednesday that he believes the shooter will turn himself in (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/30/shooter-from-vicks-birthday-party-may-turn-himself-in-soon/) to authorities soon.

I was surprised initially to hear the Marcus Vick connection, and couched my response with a lot of "ifs" and "possiblys" regarding the situation. Barefoot had no such equivocation, saying his sources were sure Marcus Vick was involved.

We'll continue to track the story, as will a growing number of national sources. ESPN led their NFL coverage today on air and online with Michael Vick's timeline problem (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/29/restaurant-owner-video-shows-vick-leaving-three-minutes-before-shooting/).

The longer this story drags on, the more uncomfortable it grows for Vick, not to mention the Eagles and Roger Goodell.

Vick could really use that shooter to come forward quickly.

Marcus is more of a bum than Mike. Marcus basically raped a 15 year old when he was 20 and he waved guns at people. Vick beat (okay, and killed) dogs. Tell me which is worse.