TO Blames ESPN For His Unemployment

[Boyzmamacita]

Owens blames ESPN for his unemployment (http://otrsportsonline.com/2010/07/07/owens-blames-espn-for-his-unemployment/)

Jul 7th, 2010
by Micah Warren


Terrell Owens is currently without an NFL team. He has played with the San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys and Buffalo Bills since 1996. So right there you can probably scratch off four teams from the list of potential landing spots.

But, despite his recent good behavior, Owens maintains that it’s his awful public perception that is holding him back. And as he tells 104.5 FM The Zone in Nashville, it’s mainly ESPN’s fault.

“A lot of people have listened to a lot of the commentaries throughout a lot of the media outlets, mainly ESPN, that has my character in question as far as things that have happened in the past,” Owens said. “And I think even though I may do 99 good things right and if I do one thing wrong, ESPN and the people on there is gonna make it out to be the worst thing ever.”

He is probably half right and half wrong here. Yes, ESPN and many media outlets do spotlight him when he does something wrong, but it’s only because over the course of his career, he’s asked for it. He’s done enough bad things (team-wrecking things, not seriously bad things like rape or murder, and we do need to be clear on that) to put the microscope on himself.

He even says that he’s willing to take on a No. 2-WR role and that he’s “probably in the best shape of my life,” and ready “to give a team an opportunity to get to a Super Bowl.”

Owens hasn’t gone on any visits, but it’s not because teams don’t think he can play. We’re sure there is interest there. But supposedly he wants $5 million per year and that’s probably where the sticking point is.

He’ll probably have to wait for training camp injuries to start fielding serious calls.

[SDCowboy85]

That poor fool is going to be in a straight jacket soon. He's going insane. :(

[cowboyeric8]

Nobody's fault but your own TO

[Boyzmamacita]

I blame ESPN for a lot of things, mainly unprofessionalism, but TO is being a little delusional here.

[speedkilz88]

I have to think that Mr. Blue Suit is loving that TO is giving him the credit.

[NextGenBoys]

Well it looks like I'll be the first one to stick up for him.

I agree with TO that ESPN played a large role in his current situation of unemployment. However, TO bought it on by his past actions, and ESPN can't seem to let the past go.

The notion that he is a cancer is still a common thought, and I don't agree with it.

That being said, he was wearing out his welcome here in 2008 and it showed. But after last season in Buffalo, I think he'd be fine on almost any team. The man just wants to play football.

[Bob Sacamano]

lol Then why did you talk so much to them?

[Chief]

Owens blames ESPN for his unemployment (http://otrsportsonline.com/2010/07/07/owens-blames-espn-for-his-unemployment/)

Jul 7th, 2010
by Micah Warren


Terrell Owens is currently without an NFL team. He has played with the San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys and Buffalo Bills since 1996. So right there you can probably scratch off four teams from the list of potential landing spots.

But, despite his recent good behavior, Owens maintains that it’s his awful public perception that is holding him back. And as he tells 104.5 FM The Zone in Nashville, it’s mainly ESPN’s fault.

“A lot of people have listened to a lot of the commentaries throughout a lot of the media outlets, mainly ESPN, that has my character in question as far as things that have happened in the past,” Owens said. “And I think even though I may do 99 good things right and if I do one thing wrong, ESPN and the people on there is gonna make it out to be the worst thing ever.”

He is probably half right and half wrong here. Yes, ESPN and many media outlets do spotlight him when he does something wrong, but it’s only because over the course of his career, he’s asked for it. He’s done enough bad things (team-wrecking things, not seriously bad things like rape or murder, and we do need to be clear on that) to put the microscope on himself.

He even says that he’s willing to take on a No. 2-WR role and that he’s “probably in the best shape of my life,” and ready “to give a team an opportunity to get to a Super Bowl.”

Owens hasn’t gone on any visits, but it’s not because teams don’t think he can play. We’re sure there is interest there. But supposedly he wants $5 million per year and that’s probably where the sticking point is.

He’ll probably have to wait for training camp injuries to start fielding serious calls.

:violin:

Hey Owens, you could probably land a spot on Dancing With the Stars.

[bbgun]

Still playing the victim. :rolleyes:

[DallasEast]

Owens blames ESPN for his unemployment (http://otrsportsonline.com/2010/07/07/owens-blames-espn-for-his-unemployment/)









:lmao2:

[CowboyDan]

Consider yourself sucked.

http://nbcsportsmedia.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060808/060808_owens_vmed_3p.widec.jpg

[TheSkaven]

The writer nailed it. I do think ESPN dogged him and enjoys slinging mud, but his $5mil asking price is the hold-up.

For some reason I have a feeling he'll end up a Patriot when all is said and done.

[monkey]

Well it looks like I'll be the first one to stick up for him.

I agree with TO that ESPN played a large role in his current situation of unemployment. However, TO bought it on by his past actions, and ESPN can't seem to let the past go.

The notion that he is a cancer is still a common thought, and I don't agree with it.

That being said, he was wearing out his welcome here in 2008 and it showed. But after last season in Buffalo, I think he'd be fine on almost any team. The man just wants to play football.

I agree with you that ESPN and other media outlets can run with stories and make it difficult for athletes. A recent example can be found with the way in which Dez Bryant quickly became "the riskiest player in the draft" after a report made a lot of innuendos without any proof.

Once a team knows they will be questioned about taking a player with issues, it can really hinder a player's options. Of course ESPN is the only reason TO is unemployed, but there were lots of example of writers trying to bait TO to stir up controversy.

[DallasEast]

THIS sounds like a job for the TerrellOwensDefense.org team!!!11!

[NextGenBoys]

I agree with you that ESPN and other media outlets can run with stories and make it difficult for athletes. A recent example can be found with the way in which Dez Bryant quickly became "the riskiest player in the draft" after a report made a lot of innuendos without any proof.

Once a team knows they will be questioned about taking a player with issues, it can really hinder a player's options. Of course ESPN is the only reason TO is unemployed, but there were lots of example of writers trying to bait TO to stir up controversy.

I highlighted that part because you partially hit the nail on the head.

It's not that a player is a distraction. Normally it is not his actions that cause the distraction, yet how the media runs with it.

The distraction is the media asking about the player, not anything the player does. The media creates, and IS the distraction.

I fully believe the reason TO was released was simply having him on the team was a distraction, no matter what he did. Everything was about him all the time, and like Jerry Jones said, the Dallas Cowboys are more important than that.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

And I'd like to thank ESPN for T.O.'s unemployment. ;)

[Phrozen Phil]

Owens is unemployed for economic reasons. Right now, he's not a hot commodity. At 5 million per season, it's not a good deal. As we get closer to training camp, he may lower his price and somebody may need to replace a body. Without those two factors, he may remain unemployed.

[ZeroClub]

Neither party (Owens or ESPN) is sympathetic.

[zrinkill]

5, 4, 3, 2, 1 . ........ stilltheguru!

[Chocolate Lab]

THIS sounds like a job for the TerrellOwensDefense.org team!!!11!

Terrellowensdefense.org is a Jordan Taber production. All rights reserved.

:muttley:

[Phoenix]

Yes, ESPN and other media outlets can't frigging WAIT for another chance to feature TO, and primarily to disparage The Latest Thing he's done.

But.

TO is denying realism here as well. At his peak, he was awesome on the field. Now? Heck, ask Buffalo. Not so much at his peak any longer. Age catches up with you TO.

He needs to completely eliminate an "asking price" for signing. Just offer his services, see who offers what, and someone will, and go for the highest bidder if he chooses. Otherwise, he should pack his bags and head to the CFL or UFL I think it's called.

He needs to realize nobody is going to pay $5 million for an aging, lost-a-few-steps receiver that Used To Produce and is likely to become a distraction in the locker room.

He was truly great, at one time. Kind of like half of the Redskins roster right about now...hey, there's an idea. Danny!! Shanahan!! Sign TO up!! He's goes right along with your all-star roster from FIVE YEARS AGO.

[Double Trouble]

It's the media's fault that TO did situps in his driveway? Overdosed? Publicly criticized a string of pro bowl QBs and his coaches? Recorded a rap song, rubbing it in the face of his detractors that he got his $$$?

You can only burn so many bridges when your list of potential employers is as small as it is in the NFL. TO has absolutely no one to blame but himself and the way he's conducted himself the last decade.

[Zaxor]

http://nbcsportsmedia.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060808/060808_owens_vmed_3p.widec.jpg

You see this trophy...

Yeah Coach I see it


Good because this is the one we are winning in Dallas

[pupulehaole]

i Hate ESPN more than most but T.O. is dillusional.

[Hostile]

There are 4 very real reasons why TO is unemployed.

1. $5 million per year is way too much for his recent production.

2. TO causes locker room problems. Only a complete moron would deny this.

3. He is 36 and declining faster than many younger options without his past History.

4. He is a train wreck and the media loves to zoom in on the crap he brings with him.


If all of that equals ESPN in his mind then ESPN should take a bow. he just made them more powerful than they already are.

[ZeroClub]

i Hate ESPN more than most but T.O. is dillusional.

Yeah, he's in a real pickle.

[Sarge]

:zzz:

[JoeCorrado]

The writer nailed it. I do think ESPN dogged him and enjoys slinging mud, but his $5mil asking price is the hold-up.

For some reason I have a feeling he'll end up a Patriot when all is said and done.

Would not be surprised at all.

I also agree that the $5 million asking price is a hold up. Injuries happen to aging athletes and Owens is not immune to it. I expect Owens would take less to play for a contender, even a back sliding one like New England.

Owens can and does play by the rules as much as most NFL players- and is less a distraction than our very own young "wanna be a star" TE Bennett.

Imagine the hoopla if Owens were to pull the silly stunts that this kid has in the past two seasons.

Imagine the hoopla if Owens had under achieved as Bennett has and shown the same care free attitude about it?

People who want to take another shot at Owens are certainly free to do so- but Owens was far less a distraction than was say, Greg Ellis while he was here... for most people anyway- obviously ESPN and those who wanted a chance to play "I told you so" were, and STILL are, willing to grasp at any straw and shine a light on ANY slight.

I'll defend Owens because he earned it- take a look at his numbers while he was a Cowboy and weigh it against the "distractions" and I'd say it was a bargain.

Some team will have a need at WR and I am sure that he will get his chance. I hope he takes full advantage because the clock is ticking.

[THUMPER]

The sooner Terrell Owens just goes away and I never have to hear/read about him again the better.

Hey Owens, I hear that your driveway still wants you. :lmao2:

[JPostSam]

so, when does he start wrestling bears and bearded women on pay-per-view?

[big dog cowboy]

This thread is full of win. :thumbup:

:popcorn:

[DallasEast]

Would not be surprised at all.

I also agree that the $5 million asking price is a hold up. Injuries happen to aging athletes and Owens is not immune to it. I expect Owens would take less to play for a contender, even a back sliding one like New England.

Owens can and does play by the rules as much as most NFL players- and is less a distraction than our very own young "wanna be a star" TE Bennett.

Imagine the hoopla if Owens were to pull the silly stunts that this kid has in the past two seasons.

Imagine the hoopla if Owens had under achieved as Bennett has and shown the same care free attitude about it?

People who want to take another shot at Owens are certainly free to do so- but Owens was far less a distraction than was say, Greg Ellis while he was here... for most people anyway- obviously ESPN and those who wanted a chance to play "I told you so" were, and STILL are, willing to grasp at any straw and shine a light on ANY slight.

I'll defend Owens because he earned it- take a look at his numbers while he was a Cowboy and weigh it against the "distractions" and I'd say it was a bargain.

Some team will have a need at WR and I am sure that he will get his chance. I hope he takes full advantage because the clock is ticking.
Yes or no, do you believe that Terrell Owens causes locker room problems?

[DallasEast]

so, when does he start wrestling bears and bearded women on pay-per-view?
I have no idea, but I am soooooo purchasing the events if Joanna Krupa ends up serving as a celebrity judge.

[HoleInTheRoof]

Still playing the victim. :rolleyes:

Exactly.


so, when does he start wrestling bears and bearded women on pay-per-view?

He'll definitely go the Jose Conseco route and end up doing stupid fights or shows to stay in the somewhat-spotlight.

[Doomsday101]

TO, that hole 1 inch below your nose if you would have shut that you would not be facing the enviable today. Some teams were willing to put up with your mouth and attitude when you were at the top of your game now that you are not teams are not going to look to you. Personally I think TO still has decent talent but not decent enough to put up with his non sense.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Here you go TO

http://dealseekingmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Wet-Ones-Wipes-Coupons.jpg

Might help get the sand out...

[Seven]

Let's sya we all pitch in and send ESPN a couple of pizzas.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Let's sya we all pitch in and send ESPN a couple of pizzas.

What if ESPN orders a who truck full of TO's Gourmet popcorn. :laugh2:

[Stautner]

Making exuses and pointing fingers, as usual.

Sure the media helps paint a picture of the guy, but he fuels it. He laid the groundwork for all of it. He has even called press conferences in the past himself to spew out his BS, so how can he blame the media for airing something when he asked them to be there? He won't recognize that he's his own worst enemy, and that's why he wont change. Probably too late to repair the way he is perceived anyway since he is on the last legs of his career.

[wilatino_98]

i dont get with cowboys fans every since i joined this forum most of you blame ESPN for anti-cowboys bias now when to saids it you all jump on TO i dont watch espn because they make the news not reporting it if someone farts in a cowboys lockerroom espn will report that some cowboy had WMD and try to kill the players!!

[zrinkill]

i dont get with cowboys fans every since i joined this forum most of you blame ESPN for anti-cowboys bias now when to saids it you all jump on TO i dont watch espn because they make the news not reporting it if someone farts in a cowboys lockerroom espn will report that some cowboy had WMD and try to kill the players!!

Are you from another country?

I seriously did not understand what you just said.

[Joe Realist]

Maybe T.O. can ask for a " one hour ' special like LeBrand and state his case.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Are you from another country?

I seriously did not understand what you just said.

Well I am glad I am not the only one. I thought I had the general gist of it and then got confused about it after a second take.:laugh2:

I will take a stab at what I originally thought he was getting at...

He seen many people complaining about ESPN picking on the cowboys and now that TO complains about them picking on him we seem to rip on him instead of ESPN.

[thechosen1n2]

I highlighted that part because you partially hit the nail on the head.

It's not that a player is a distraction. Normally it is not his actions that cause the distraction, yet how the media runs with it.

The distraction is the media asking about the player, not anything the player does. The media creates, and IS the distraction.

I fully believe the reason TO was released was simply having him on the team was a distraction, no matter what he did. Everything was about him all the time, and like Jerry Jones said, the Dallas Cowboys are more important than that.

Next Gen you speak soooo much truth.

[zrinkill]

Well I am glad I am not the only one. I thought I had the general gist of it and then got confused about it after a second take.:laugh2:

I will take a stab at what I originally thought he was getting at...

He seen many people complaining about ESPN picking on the cowboys and now that TO complains about them picking on him we seem to rip on him instead of ESPN.

Thank you ..... that makes sense.

[PhillyCowboysFan]

and is less a distraction than our very own young "wanna be a star" TE Bennett.

Bro, I usually don’t bash other posters and I do respect people’s opinions, but you got to be kidding me right! :lmao: :lmao2: :laugh2:

[DCBoysfan]

ESPN is not the blame for TO not finding work, it is because his skills have eroded and he wants too much money.

[NextGenBoys]

ESPN is not the blame for TO not finding work, it is because his skills have eroded and he wants too much money.

They definitely have, but players like Torry Holt have found work quicker than TO.

I find it hard to believe that if there wasnt the portrayal of him as a cancer, he would be on a team right now with a $5 mil contract.

[Doomsday101]

They definitely have, but players like Torry Holt have found work quicker than TO.

I find it hard to believe that if there wasnt the portrayal of him as a cancer, he would be on a team right now with a $5 mil contract.

Portrayed or earned? ESPN did not make him a jerk he was able to do that all on his own there is a reason why he has bounced around from SF,Philly,Dallas and Buffalo to now sitting on the outside looking in.

[DaBoys4Life]

I'll side with TO on this. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to find a job.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I'll side with TO on this. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to find a job.

He has a job. It's called "The T.O. Show -Season 2". Every week he invites America to spend an hour witnessing his stupidity first hand. And he wonders why NFL teams want no part of this self-indulgent spotlight. :rolleyes:

[NextGenBoys]

Portrayed or earned? ESPN did not make him a jerk he was able to do that all on his own there is a reason why he has bounced around from SF,Philly,Dallas and Buffalo to now sitting on the outside looking in.

We all know the bull**** that ESPN reported and more importantly, the WAY it was reported in Owens last year in Dallas.

He did nothing wrong in Buffalo, he just simply was not a good fit.

But SF and Philly? Yeah he "earned" his exit, but that was also five years ago. When Jerry released Owens, he specifically said it was not behavior related.

[JonJon]

Well I am glad I am not the only one. I thought I had the general gist of it and then got confused about it after a second take.:laugh2:

I will take a stab at what I originally thought he was getting at...

He seen many people complaining about ESPN picking on the cowboys and now that TO complains about them picking on him we seem to rip on him instead of ESPN.

I tend to agree. I don't think Owens is faultless, because he was the one acting like a jerk and spouting his ego all over the place, but I do believe ESPN played a partial role in his unemployment to date. ESPN tends to exaggerate stories related to Owens and most teams do not welcome the media scrutiny that will be had should the team sign him. But even with that, Owens needs to place the majority of the blame on himself, and also lower his contract demands.

[Doomsday101]

We all know the bull**** that ESPN reported and more importantly, the WAY it was reported in Owens last year in Dallas.

He did nothing wrong in Buffalo, he just simply was not a good fit.

But SF and Philly? Yeah he "earned" his exit, but that was also five years ago. When Jerry released Owens, he specifically said it was not behavior related.

Jerry also ate 9 mill. TO going off about Romo and Witten drawing up plays without him? Come on the guy is a jerk and has always been a jerk even in a Cowboys uniform. When there is controversy instead of letting it die he keeps on. He draws this attention to himself and you damn right ESPN, SI and every other sports media is going to write about it if a player is handing it to them.

[dropshot001]

I highlighted that part because you partially hit the nail on the head.

It's not that a player is a distraction. Normally it is not his actions that cause the distraction, yet how the media runs with it.

The distraction is the media asking about the player, not anything the player does. The media creates, and IS the distraction.

I fully believe the reason TO was released was simply having him on the team was a distraction, no matter what he did. Everything was about him all the time, and like Jerry Jones said, the Dallas Cowboys are more important than that.

the media will follow TO around to no end. same thing with guys like bonds. teams just don't want to have their locker rooms swamped with media all because of one guy....just not worth it

[JonJon]

He has a job. It's called "The T.O. Show -Season 2". Every week he invites America to spend an hour witnessing his stupidity first hand. And he wonders why NFL teams want no part of this self-indulgent spotlight. :rolleyes:

I also think his show is a reason some teams are shying away from him. After watching one episode, the guy really does act like a jerk, so I can see why nobody wants to be around him. I mean Owens has never seen his own son simply because he doesn't like the child's mother.

[SilverStarCowboy]

http://amerthehammerfitness.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/iron_mike_tyson.jpg

It's not my fault.

[JPM]

Bro, I usually don’t bash other posters and I do respect people’s opinions, but you got to be kidding me right! :lmao: :lmao2: :laugh2:
We just hit ludicrous speed!
http://www.twowheeltales.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/spaceballslarge026xd.jpg

[NextGenBoys]

Jerry also ate 9 mill. TO going off about Romo and Witten drawing up plays without him? Come on the guy is a jerk and has always been a jerk even in a Cowboys uniform. When there is controversy instead of letting it die he keeps on. He draws this attention to himself and you damn right ESPN, SI and every other sports media is going to write about it if a player is handing it to them.

Every player in the locker room said that was a load of crap.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. In reality it was probably Romo and Witten hanging out at each others house, since you know they're best friends, and talking football. TO probably wanted to be in on that convo due to his fragile psyche, and ESPN ran with it and turned it into a distraction like TO was trying to tear the team apart.

But not one player on the team or organizations gave any credence to Romo and Witten trying to draw up plays and exclude TO the way that ESPN reported it.

We all said it while he TO was here. ESPN had an agenda, and they would do what they could do to enforce it.

Now that TO is gone, ESPN is everyone's angel and TO is scum again?

TO is a selfish player with an large ego, don't get me wrong, but I think he hasn't been a "jerk" or really tried to draw any attention on himself since the 2007 season.

ESPN just cant seem to let go the TO of 2005 and portray him as the same person today in 2010. I don't believe that is the case for one second.

[CoCo]

I don't like how ESPN overhypes the things they do but this is the sword TO chose to live by throughout most of his career.

And now it has helped kill his career perhaps a bit prematurely. But just as big a factor is $5mil price tag for a 36 year old WR who'll turn 37 in December.

[Seven]

I'll side with TO on this. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to find a job.

Jeffery Dahmer's thoughts when his application was denied at the local soup factory. He had suuum recipes, boy.

[InmanRoshi]

TO has been around the league long enough and played with enough coaching regimes that there's plenty of coaches out there who know first hand what kind of guy he is and whether his problems are all just a media fabrication. No teams have needed WRs more desperately in the last few years than the Rams, Dolphins and Chiefs ... who all have HCs who have been on previous coaching staffs with TO in the lockerroom. I think their silence speaks volumes.

[Hostile]

We just hit ludicrous speed!
http://www.twowheeltales.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/spaceballslarge026xd.jpgAnd what have we got on this thing, a cuisinart?

[CoCo]

TO has been around the league long enough and played with enough coaching regimes that there's plenty of coaches out there who know first hand what kind of guy he is and whether his problems are all just a media fabrication. No teams have needed WRs more desperately in the last few years than the Rams, Dolphins and Chiefs ... who all have HCs who have been on previous coaching staffs with TO in the lockerroom. I think their silence speaks volumes.

Nice post. :thumbup:

[Stautner]

ESPN is not the blame for TO not finding work, it is because his skills have eroded and he wants too much money.

And he's a pain in the butt to boot.

http://amerthehammerfitness.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/iron_mike_tyson.jpg

It's not my fault.

Watch out, if he gets hungry he'll eat your children.

I'll side with TO on this. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to find a job.

There's a help wanted sign at the McDonald's down the street.

[Bob Sacamano]

It's amazing the polarizing effect TO still has on Cowboy fans.

Let him go, people.

[DallasEast]

i dont get with cowboys fans every since i joined this forum most of you blame ESPN for anti-cowboys bias now when to saids it you all jump on TO i dont watch espn because they make the news not reporting it if someone farts in a cowboys lockerroom espn will report that some cowboy had WMD and try to kill the players!!
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/insideterrellhead.gif

TO has been around the league long enough and played with enough coaching regimes that there's plenty of coaches out there who know first hand what kind of guy he is and whether his problems are all just a media fabrication. No teams have needed WRs more desperately in the last few years than the Rams, Dolphins and Chiefs ... who all have HCs who have been on previous coaching staffs with TO in the lockerroom. I think their silence speaks volumes.

:clap2:

[Doomsday101]

It's amazing the polarizing effect TO still has on Cowboy fans.

Let him go, people.

He is gone but like other players who do not play for the Cowboys and are knuckleheads people will talk.

[Hostile]

He is gone but like other players who do not play for the Cowboys and are knuckleheads people will talk.I don't know why that is such a hard concept for TO defenders (and I am not saying anyone in this thread so far is) to grasp.

Albert Haynesworth has never played for Dallas, yet we post about every stupid thing he does and says. Ben Ruthlessraper has never played for Dallas, yet we track his every move and blast him.

But bring up TO and it is an inability to move on.

No, it isn't.

For the most part passionate NFL fans simply hate idiot players who do not get it. I guarantee you that TO's comments made forums of teams whom he never played for and I guarantee you that football fans on those forums said much the same types of things we have. Too old, too much money, and cancer.

TO's fans are the only ones who cannot let it go. The rest of us are just whipping the knucklehead same as any other knucklehead out there. He's not off limits. They wish he was. Too damned bad, so sad, go ahead and get mad. I don't care.

[Doomsday101]

I don't know why that is such a hard concept for TO defenders (and I am not saying anyone in this thread so far is) to grasp.

Albert Haynesworth has never played for Dallas, yet we post about every stupid thing he does and says. Ben Ruthlessraper has never played for Dallas, yet we track his every move and blast him.

But bring up TO and it is an inability to move on.

No, it isn't.

For the most part passionate NFL fans simply hate idiot players who do not get it. I guarantee you that TO's comments made forums of teams whom he never played for and I guarantee you that football fans on those forums said much the same types of things we have. Too old, too much money, and cancer.

TO's fans are the only ones who cannot let it go. The rest of us are just whipping the knucklehead same as any other knucklehead out there. He's not off limits. They wish he was. Too damned bad, so sad, go ahead and get mad. I don't care.

I agree. No reason to think TO is off limits to discuss just like any other player.

[gimmesix]

I blame ESPN for a lot of things, mainly unprofessionalism, but TO is being a little delusional here.

To an extent, but based on some of the things ESPN did while he was here, I think there is a slight validity to his argument. A lot of things were blown out of proportion in the name of viewership.

Now, Owens needs to realize he put himself in the crosshairs, but the coverage of him definitely has not always been fair and unbiased.

[Doomsday101]

To an extent, but based on some of the things ESPN did while he was here, I think there is a slight validity to his argument. A lot of things were blown out of proportion in the name of viewership.

Now, Owens needs to realize he put himself in the crosshairs, but the coverage of him definitely has not always been fair and unbiased.

Thing is TO has spent his entire career pointing at others never once pointing at himself. Reputation in life is important he made his bed now sleep in it.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Owens blames ESPN for his unemployment (http://otrsportsonline.com/2010/07/07/owens-blames-espn-for-his-unemployment/)

Jul 7th, 2010
by Micah Warren


Terrell Owens is currently without an NFL team. He has played with the San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys and Buffalo Bills since 1996. So right there you can probably scratch off four teams from the list of potential landing spots.

But, despite his recent good behavior, Owens maintains that it’s his awful public perception that is holding him back. And as he tells 104.5 FM The Zone in Nashville, it’s mainly ESPN’s fault.

“A lot of people have listened to a lot of the commentaries throughout a lot of the media outlets, mainly ESPN, that has my character in question as far as things that have happened in the past,” Owens said. “And I think even though I may do 99 good things right and if I do one thing wrong, ESPN and the people on there is gonna make it out to be the worst thing ever.”

He is probably half right and half wrong here. Yes, ESPN and many media outlets do spotlight him when he does something wrong, but it’s only because over the course of his career, he’s asked for it. He’s done enough bad things (team-wrecking things, not seriously bad things like rape or murder, and we do need to be clear on that) to put the microscope on himself.

He even says that he’s willing to take on a No. 2-WR role and that he’s “probably in the best shape of my life,” and ready “to give a team an opportunity to get to a Super Bowl.”

Owens hasn’t gone on any visits, but it’s not because teams don’t think he can play. We’re sure there is interest there. But supposedly he wants $5 million per year and that’s probably where the sticking point is.

He’ll probably have to wait for training camp injuries to start fielding serious calls.
me too

[gimmesix]

Thing is TO has spent his entire career pointing at others never once pointing at himself. Reputation in life is important he made his bed now sleep in it.

I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't mean Owens doesn't have a point about ESPN. He drew the negative attention to himself, and ESPN took it and ran with it even when it wasn't deserved.

[Doomsday101]

I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't mean Owens doesn't have a point about ESPN. He drew the negative attention to himself, and ESPN took it and ran with it even when it wasn't deserved.

That is what the media does and any person in the NFL with a lick of intelligence knows this, those who don't and continue to act like fools continue to get bad press and when your talent is not at it's prime they cut your dumb ars loose. One simple rule when dealing with the media "Don't Feed The Animals" or another way of saying it "If you know they are gunning for you do not hand them the ammo" :laugh2:

[Hostile]

I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't mean Owens doesn't have a point about ESPN. He drew the negative attention to himself, and ESPN took it and ran with it even when it wasn't deserved.The problem with TO's theory is that NFL teams don't give two hoots in hell for ESPN's analysis of most things. You hear it all the time. Especially after the Draft. There is always commentary and the NFL teams pay no attention to it.

Suddenly these same 32 teams are all swayed by ESPN's too harsh criticism of him?

Maybe it's just me, but I find that to be a little hard to believe. Much more likely a reason is that TO is over pricing himself, his skills are declining, and the teams know more about what does happen than the media and fans ever create in our wildest conspiracy theories.

Let's face it, when players act out in some negative way it jerks all of our chains. Every one of us has had opinions about other players doing things that wreck perception. There might be teams out there who would never sign Tony Romo because he went to Mexico with Jessica. I doubt that is the case, but there may be a GM out there too stupid to look past something like that.

Once a GM sees enough bad about a player they may simply cross him off their list as an option. I think Vick is on his last chance right now and other players are approaching it. I think TO is there. He needs to hang his cleats up or play for chump change money. He is not a difference maker any more.

Jerry realized that and handed him a napkin. Bless him.

[bbgun]

If teams thought he could still play, he'd be under contract. This is a mercenary league which has welcomed back dog killers, drug users, suspected rapists, murderous drivers (Stallworth), and girlfriend beaters.

[Doomsday101]

The problem with TO's theory is that NFL teams don't give two hoots in hell for ESPN's analysis of most things. You hear it all the time. Especially after the Draft. There is always commentary and the NFL teams pay no attention to it.

Suddenly these same 32 teams are all swayed by ESPN's too harsh criticism of him?

Maybe it's just me, but I find that to be a little hard to believe. Much more likely a reason is that TO is over pricing himself, his skills are declining, and the teams know more about what does happen than the media and fans ever create in our wildest conspiracy theories.

Let's face it, when players act out in some negative way it jerks all of our chains. Every one of us has had opinions about other players doing things that wreck perception. There might be teams out there who would never sign Tony Romo because he went to Mexico with Jessica. I doubt that is the case, but there may be a GM out there too stupid to look past something like that.

Once a GM sees enough bad about a player they may simply cross him off their list as an option. I think Vick is on his last chance right now and other players are approaching it. I think TO is there. He needs to hang his cleats up or play for chump change money. He is not a difference maker any more.

Jerry realized that and handed him a napkin. Bless him.

Thing is when he was in his prime teams were willing to put up with his act for a while. As your skills start to fade teams will not waste their time on you. That is why Holt was able to extend his career and why TO right now is without a team.

[Hostile]

Thing is when he was in his prime teams were willing to put up with his act for a while. As your skills start to fade teams will not waste their time on you. That is why Holt was able to extend his career and why TO right now is without a team.Valid point.

[SaltwaterServr]

Thing is when he was in his prime teams were willing to put up with his act for a while. As your skills start to fade teams will not waste their time on you. That is why Holt was able to extend his career and why TO right now is without a team.

Not 100% sure about that.

Public perception of a player within the aristocracy of the front offices might play into all of this to a degree we don't realize.

Is Joey Galloway at this date a better player than TO?
Is Joey Galloway a better player at this date than Matt Jones?

Nobody even brought that kid from TCU? in for a workout, the one who had relations with his sister. Is he potentially better than some folks already on a roster? Possibly.

The contra to that of course would be Antonio Bryant's multiple NFL stops through the league.

[NextGenBoys]

Thing is when he was in his prime teams were willing to put up with his act for a while. As your skills start to fade teams will not waste their time on you. That is why Holt was able to extend his career and why TO right now is without a team.

My point is, teams still look at his attitude like he's in his prime, and his physical attributes of current day.

I think the constant stories about TO turned many off to his attitude without even looking at him as an option.

Was his attitude a problem in the past? You bet.

Last year? Not at all. Why would that change now when it's even harder to find work?

Whoever signs him will get a pretty good receiver -- granted they have a decent quarterback.

[gimmesix]

That is what the media does and any person in the NFL with a lick of intelligence knows this.

I don't know. It seems more selective than that. Some players that do "bad" things have anything they do that's even close to controversial covered by ESPN like it's a major story. Others don't get much press other than when they do something that really deserves it.

It depends on the popularity/notoriety of the player.

[gimmesix]

The problem with TO's theory is that NFL teams don't give two hoots in hell for ESPN's analysis of most things. You hear it all the time. Especially after the Draft. There is always commentary and the NFL teams pay no attention to it.

Suddenly these same 32 teams are all swayed by ESPN's too harsh criticism of him?

Maybe it's just me, but I find that to be a little hard to believe. Much more likely a reason is that TO is over pricing himself, his skills are declining, and the teams know more about what does happen than the media and fans ever create in our wildest conspiracy theories.

Oh, I agree with that. I don't think teams pay any attention to what ESPN has to say, and in that regard, Owens is delusional.

I think his comment is more geared to the fact that his behavior is magnified by the way ESPN covers him, and I agree with that. But that only really affects how fans view him. (I tried not to do that and let his actions speak for themselves, and he ultimately lived down to his reputation.)

Now, some teams could see such coverage as a potential headache, but I don't think that would keep them from signing him if they felt his ability still matched his asking price.

[Bluefin]

Was his attitude a problem in the past? You bet.

Last year? Not at all. Why would that change now when it's even harder to find work?

Easy answer.

Terrell Owens was playing on a one year deal last season and hoped to show enough to get one more nice contract this year.

Owens behaved in Dallas when his contract was structured as a series of one year deals with roster bonuses due every off-season.

As soon as Jerry Jones made the mistake of re-upping with Owens on a regular contract extension, the **** hit the fan and we got rid of him after the season.

Whoever signs him will get a pretty good receiver -- granted they have a decent quarterback.

They might get a pretty good receiver for a week here or there.

Owens will have an occasional big game (197yds in '09, 213yds in '08), but disappear for very long stretches most of the time.

Owens is no longer explosive enough to show up every week.

In '08, he needed that 200 yard game and over 100 yards the last week of the season to even reach the 1000 yard plateau. In '09, he needed the one big game to even make his stats worth looking at.

Owens has only logged 3 games north of 100 yards in the last two years.

I don't consider him to be pretty good at this point.

Owens was never a great route runner, he doesn't enjoy playing in traffic and he all but refuses to leave his feet to go after passes. He doesn't do the other things good enough to make up for declining physical skills.

And defenses are no longer scared, they will press Owens at will and shut him down most days.

To compare, even if you took away Miles Austin's franchise record 250 yard day against the Chiefs last year, he still had over 1000 yards for the season with only 11 other starts.

Take away Owens' big days each of the last two years and you're looking at a JAG.

Owens can blame the media if he desires, but for someone so fond of looking in the mirror, it's hard to believe he can't see reality.

[big dog cowboy]

Owens will have an occasional big game (197yds in '09, 213yds in '08), but disappear for very long stretches most of the time.

Owens is no longer explosive enough to show up every week.

In '08, he needed that 200 yard game and over 100 yards the last week of the season to even reach the 1000 yard plateau. In '09, he needed the one big game to even make his stats worth looking at.

Owens has only logged 3 games north of 100 yards in the last two years.

I don't consider him to be pretty good at this point.

Owens was never a great route runner, he doesn't enjoy playing in traffic and he all but refuses to leave his feet to go after passes. He doesn't do the other things good enough to make up for declining physical skills.

And defenses are no longer scared, they will press Owens at will and shut him down most days.

To compare, even if you took away Miles Austin's franchise record 250 yard day against the Chiefs last year, he still had over 1000 yards for the season with only 11 other starts.

Take away Owens' big days each of the last two years and you're looking at a JAG.

Wow this is a great response and right on the :money:

[LeonDixson]

Easy answer.

Terrell Owens was playing on a one year deal last season and hoped to show enough to get one more nice contract this year.

Owens behaved in Dallas when his contract was structured as a series of one year deals with roster bonuses due every off-season.

As soon as Jerry Jones made the mistake of re-upping with Owens on a regular contract extension, the **** hit the fan and we got rid of him after the season.



They might get a pretty good receiver for a week here or there.

Owens will have an occasional big game (197yds in '09, 213yds in '08), but disappear for very long stretches most of the time.

Owens is no longer explosive enough to show up every week.

In '08, he needed that 200 yard game and over 100 yards the last week of the season to even reach the 1000 yard plateau. In '09, he needed the one big game to even make his stats worth looking at.

Owens has only logged 3 games north of 100 yards in the last two years.

I don't consider him to be pretty good at this point.

Owens was never a great route runner, he doesn't enjoy playing in traffic and he all but refuses to leave his feet to go after passes. He doesn't do the other things good enough to make up for declining physical skills.

And defenses are no longer scared, they will press Owens at will and shut him down most days.

To compare, even if you took away Miles Austin's franchise record 250 yard day against the Chiefs last year, he still had over 1000 yards for the season with only 11 other starts.

Take away Owens' big days each of the last two years and you're looking at a JAG.

Owens can blame the media if he desires, but for someone so fond of looking in the mirror, it's hard to believe he can't see reality.
I like your answer. As to the bolded part, people suffering from paranoia with a superiority complex rarely see reality; and IMHO that describes Owens to a tee.

[NextGenBoys]

Easy answer.

Terrell Owens was playing on a one year deal last season and hoped to show enough to get one more nice contract this year.

Owens behaved in Dallas when his contract was structured as a series of one year deals with roster bonuses due every off-season.

As soon as Jerry Jones made the mistake of re-upping with Owens on a regular contract extension, the **** hit the fan and we got rid of him after the season.



They might get a pretty good receiver for a week here or there.

Owens will have an occasional big game (197yds in '09, 213yds in '08), but disappear for very long stretches most of the time.

Owens is no longer explosive enough to show up every week.

In '08, he needed that 200 yard game and over 100 yards the last week of the season to even reach the 1000 yard plateau. In '09, he needed the one big game to even make his stats worth looking at.

Owens has only logged 3 games north of 100 yards in the last two years.

I don't consider him to be pretty good at this point.

Owens was never a great route runner, he doesn't enjoy playing in traffic and he all but refuses to leave his feet to go after passes. He doesn't do the other things good enough to make up for declining physical skills.

And defenses are no longer scared, they will press Owens at will and shut him down most days.

To compare, even if you took away Miles Austin's franchise record 250 yard day against the Chiefs last year, he still had over 1000 yards for the season with only 11 other starts.

Take away Owens' big days each of the last two years and you're looking at a JAG.

Owens can blame the media if he desires, but for someone so fond of looking in the mirror, it's hard to believe he can't see reality.

Owens has had to look hard for work twice after being released by us twice. Yes the one year deal was partially why he was on good behavior, but it's not like he's going to be getting anything different this time around.

So if he acted fine with one year deals in the past, why would be act selfish now when he's looking even harder for work, and is 2 years older?

And I'm not suggesting Owens is an elite game breaker anymore. He lost that after 2007. He would however be in the top half of #2's in the league.

[Yakuza Rich]

I loathe ESPN. They personify everything that is wrong with sports journalism today and what's ironic is when they take bloggers and sports radio people to task for the very same behavior they perform on a daily basis.

I think Owens has a point to a degree. I'm really not sure had ESPN acted professionally and not just gone with rumors and innuendo and whatever garbage Mr. Blue Suit had to spew, that he would not be a Dallas Cowboy.

Not that I want him as a Cowboy. I like the team we have now. But, the facts are he may still have been employed as a Cowboy had Mr. Blue Suit didn't have such a vendetta against him. Remember, this is the same reporter that weeks before his report came out, claimed that Owens was crying after a Bengals game because 'he didn't get the ball enough' when in fact it was later reported that Owens had a close friend die earlier that week and he was thinking about that. Then Owens in particular pointed this out, as ESPN and Mr. Blue Suit were unwilling to apologize for the report, and Owens would not answer Mr. Blue Suit's question.

Again, I am glad he's not a Cowboy anymore...mainly because if he sneezed ESPN would be there saying he's trying to poison the rest of his team. But I do think he got a raw deal from ESPN and all of their lackies in the local Dallas media. And I don't think it should just be accepted either.






YR

[CowboyDan]

[/b]
I like your answer. As to the bolded part, people suffering from paranoia with a superiority complex rarely see reality; and IMHO that describes Owens to a tee.

And this is why TO is the Cowboy most like me. :)

As to his declining stats, does anyone think it has anything to do with the fact that he was in Buffalo last year, and that in 08 Romo was hurt for a few games, so he had the vaunted gunslinger Brad Johnson tossing the rock around? I'm not a big TO fan or anything, but I think he's still a very good receiver. (can't knock on him for route running or great hands because he's never been that kind of WR)

[monkey]

I highlighted that part because you partially hit the nail on the head.

It's not that a player is a distraction. Normally it is not his actions that cause the distraction, yet how the media runs with it.

The distraction is the media asking about the player, not anything the player does. The media creates, and IS the distraction.

I fully believe the reason TO was released was simply having him on the team was a distraction, no matter what he did. Everything was about him all the time, and like Jerry Jones said, the Dallas Cowboys are more important than that.

Agreed. The annoying thing is that ESPN tries to act like they don't do this/don't make the sports news. Just like the incessant coverage of Lebron's decision.

[Suave]

Easy answer.

Terrell Owens was playing on a one year deal last season and hoped to show enough to get one more nice contract this year.

Owens behaved in Dallas when his contract was structured as a series of one year deals with roster bonuses due every off-season.

As soon as Jerry Jones made the mistake of re-upping with Owens on a regular contract extension, the **** hit the fan and we got rid of him after the season.



They might get a pretty good receiver for a week here or there.

Owens will have an occasional big game (197yds in '09, 213yds in '08), but disappear for very long stretches most of the time.

Owens is no longer explosive enough to show up every week.

In '08, he needed that 200 yard game and over 100 yards the last week of the season to even reach the 1000 yard plateau. In '09, he needed the one big game to even make his stats worth looking at.

Owens has only logged 3 games north of 100 yards in the last two years.

I don't consider him to be pretty good at this point.

Owens was never a great route runner, he doesn't enjoy playing in traffic and he all but refuses to leave his feet to go after passes. He doesn't do the other things good enough to make up for declining physical skills.

And defenses are no longer scared, they will press Owens at will and shut him down most days.

To compare, even if you took away Miles Austin's franchise record 250 yard day against the Chiefs last year, he still had over 1000 yards for the season with only 11 other starts.

Take away Owens' big days each of the last two years and you're looking at a JAG.

Owens can blame the media if he desires, but for someone so fond of looking in the mirror, it's hard to believe he can't see reality.


Excellent post, my man. Very well stated.

[ZeroClub]

I don't know. It seems more selective than that. Some players that do "bad" things have anything they do that's even close to controversial covered by ESPN like it's a major story. Others don't get much press other than when they do something that really deserves it.

It depends on the popularity/notoriety of the player.

Yeah, I think that's right.

Owens successfully managed to turn himself into a celebrity. For a time he was the Paris Hilton of the NFL. He still draws paparazzi-like coverage from the sports media.

Owens did many things to call attention to himself, especially in SF and Philly. He courted the media coverage and now he's married to it (for better or for worse).

It is also very disappointing that ESPN has become mindless sports paparazzi.

I am sure there are franchises that don't want to deal with the media drama component of having Owens on their team, particularly now that Owens is no longer a dynamic player.

So Owens has a point. However he doesn't seem to recognize how he is largely responsible for his present situation.

[JoeCorrado]

Yes or no, do you believe that Terrell Owens causes locker room problems?

"Problems" unless defined- is a relative term. Do I believe that he was some sort of a locker room "cancer" - the answer is no. Do I believe that he (and his attitude) created distractions? Sure. But distractions are the norm for any player in the NFL- players deal with "distractions" in stride, or they themselves become the next distraction.

ESPN creates the story, the drama, the "distraction" to better peddle their own product. Terrell Owens SELLS- he sells commercial time for ESPN, and he sells TICKETS for NFL owners. Love him or hate him- the guy does draw attention, he does sell tickets. Did you think that Buffalo brought him to town as some missing piece to their SB aspirations, or to sell tickets?

Owens was one of the most productive WR in the NFL during his tenure with the Cowboys. I have no complaints. Do you? Owens was a distraction at times- no doubt. And so are hundreds of other NFL players to some degree or another. How did the scales balance out for the team during his tenure here?

Bro, I usually don’t bash other posters and I do respect people’s opinions, but you got to be kidding me right! :lmao: :lmao2: :laugh2:


Please be a little more exact in your bewilderment. Just what is it that you did not understand? I'll be happy to elaborate. :cool:

[tico]

Carolina needs a reciever!

[SilverStarCowboy]

"Problems" unless defined- is a relative term. Do I believe that he was some sort of a locker room "cancer" - the answer is no. Do I believe that he (and his attitude) created distractions? Sure. But distractions are the norm for any player in the NFL- players deal with "distractions" in stride, or they themselves become the next distraction.

ESPN creates the story, the drama, the "distraction" to better peddle their own product. Terrell Owens SELLS- he sells commercial time for ESPN, and he sells TICKETS for NFL owners. Love him or hate him- the guy does draw attention, he does sell tickets. Did you think that Buffalo brought him to town as some missing piece to their SB aspirations, or to sell tickets?

Owens was one of the most productive WR in the NFL during his tenure with the Cowboys. I have no complaints. Do you? Owens was a distraction at times- no doubt. And so are hundreds of other NFL players to some degree or another. How did the scales balance out for the team during his tenure here?




Please be a little more exact in your bewilderment. Just what is it that you did not understand? I'll be happy to elaborate. :cool:

T.O. is done. Wake up.

Owens needs a "decent QB" to moderately excel but there isn't a team crazy enough to subject their "decent QB" to the beligered WR and confused individual.

Terrell is a proven locker room disease waiting to happen and a coaching nightmare.


The "man" is a self-centered, phycologically challenged, simpleton who would throw anyone under the bus just for kicks and giggles because the worl revolves around T.O..

[DallasEast]

"Problems" unless defined- is a relative term. Do I believe that he was some sort of a locker room "cancer" - the answer is no. Do I believe that he (and his attitude) created distractions? Sure. But distractions are the norm for any player in the NFL- players deal with "distractions" in stride, or they themselves become the next distraction.Basically, you deny that he is a locker room problem.

Thanks. ESPN creates the story, the drama, the "distraction" to better peddle their own product. Terrell Owens SELLS- he sells commercial time for ESPN, and he sells TICKETS for NFL owners. Love him or hate him- the guy does draw attention, he does sell tickets. Did you think that Buffalo brought him to town as some missing piece to their SB aspirations, or to sell tickets?The Bills gifted him with a one-year contract. Taking into consideration the personnel already in place, they had absolutely no Super Bowl aspirations--much less playoff hopes.

True, they brought Owens in to heighten fan enthusiasm. However, football rosters do not exist within vaccuums. The Bills front office evaluated their wide receiver corps.

They made the determination of whether Owens in the short-term would diminish, steady or improve their receiving options for one year. Even at his age (both last season and now), Owens' receiving skills would not be detrimental within any passing offense.

Would his skills elevate any passing offense significantly? That's debatable. In Buffalo's case, it didn't. Still, he complemented Lee Evans well enough to keep the Bills offense respectible and steady it for an entire season.

This allowed the Bills front office to maintain a good enough product for 2009 and extend their evaluation of the position for another year. Under the terms of their contract with Owens, it was an understandable gamble which paid off. That's a case of good short-term and intermediate football personnel management which Buffalo should be complimented.Owens was one of the most productive WR in the NFL during his tenure with the Cowboys. I have no complaints. Do you?On the field? With the exception of his totally unnecessary penalty attracting antics, I haven't any complaints (except for an occasion where he could have gained a critical first down and decided not to, but I digress).

Off the field? Of course. Owens is, and always will be, a liability onto himself. If he had prevented himself from engaging in totally unnecessary self-glorifications (with an example being his completely avoidable one-on-one nationally televised interview with Deion Sanders), there is a high probability that he would have retired as a Dallas Cowboy in my opinion.

Still, Owens is Owens and that was never going to come to fruition. Simply put, he can't help himself. I recognized that trait within him within his first few seasons in San Francisco. It didn't surprise me then and it certainly didn't surprise me many years later when he played here.

That's always been the problem I have had with Owens. While media entities like ESPN tend to describe him as a cancer for teams, he has always inflicted himself with a terminal version. That's his choice and definitely not ESPN's fault.

Throughout its history, the NFL has seen (and will continue to see) various incarnations of the "Terrell Owens" within its player ranks--namely, extremely talented, yet woefully idiotic and self-defeating. The league has both endured and prospered in spite of these idiots and it will continue on without him. That's an essential life and career lesson which Owens will never embrace. For people like him, it is always (both literally and figuratively) someone else's fault for his own shortcomings. Poetic.Owens was a distraction at times- no doubt. And so are hundreds of other NFL players to some degree or another. How did the scales balance out for the team during his tenure here?You are correct in stating: "And so are hundreds of other NFL players to some degree or another". Some (and him included) will simply never grasp the sheer, innate essense of what that truly means.

As far as his tenure here is concerned, what of it? Did he contribute a bunch of receiving yards and touchdowns while he was here? Yep. Did he do just enough to help remove himself from this team's offensive equation in 2009?

Yep, but don't ask him, you or anyone else sympathetic to him. His woes are, "to some degree or another", ESPN someone else's fault. Always has been. Always will.

[jimmy40]

me tooafter seeing this response TO now only blames himself.

[zrinkill]

Owens can and does play by the rules as much as most NFL players- and is less a distraction than our very own young "wanna be a star" TE Bennett.

I'll side with TO on this. There's no reason he shouldn't be able to find a job.

me too

:laugh2:

One guy I have never heard of ..... a worst poster poster finalist ...... and the worst poster winner.

That is a great defense team.

[Yakuza Rich]

I am not sure what I find more alarming…those who still stick up for ESPN or when Bill Simmons writes something like this about a fellow ESPN guy.

Stephen A. Smith wins the Woodward & Bernstein Award for reporting last week that Wade/LeBron/Bosh in Miami was "done." I thought it was ridiculous. How could it be "done"? Bosh and LeBron were committing to an owner, president and coach without meeting any of them?

My guess at the time: Smith got word that Miami was in the lead, took it and ran with it, then hoped he was right. If he was right, he became the big winner of the summer of 2010. If he was wrong, he could always claim that he WAS right, but that something got screwed up and things changed.

I’ve had posters here last year that couldn’t believe it when I told them of sports writers/reporter friends of mine who didn’t think too highly of Mr. Blue Suit as a reporter and were critical of his reporting on the Cowboys and Owens.

Here we have Bill Simmons basically saying that Stephen A. Smith probably made up the story based on a guess and if he got it wrong, well that was okay. And from reading the rest of the article, it seems that Simmons is okay with that.

THAT is the climate over at ESPN with their reporting and many other sports reporters/writers know that and obviously many do not like it. I just wish some would be able to accept that their reporters are not as highly respected as they claim they are.



YR

[Vtwin]

TO is an immature boy in a mans body. Doesn't excuse the behavior that attracts the media attention but I have a bit of sympathy for him because he just doesn't know better.

ESPN is a cold. calculating, merciless, controversy generating, machine.

Their "reporting" when it comes to personalities like TO is akin to the the cool kids picking on the slow kid on the playground.

I'd buy TO a beer. I'd smash my empty bottle over ESPN's head.

[DallasEast]

TO is an immature boy in a mans body. Doesn't excuse the behavior that attracts the media attention but I have a bit of sympathy for him because he just doesn't know better.

ESPN is a cold. calculating, merciless, controversy generating, machine.

Their "reporting" when it comes to personalities like TO is akin to the the cool kids picking on the slow kid on the playground.

I'd buy TO a beer. I'd smash my empty bottle over ESPN's head.
Stop insulting the slow kid. ;)

Knowing ESPN, they would tell you, "WAIT! Don't swing that bottle yet! Hey Chuck! Bring that camera over here! Do you have the shot yet? Are you sure? Great! Okay, sir! Swing!"

They never pass up an opportunity to sensationalize anything.

[zrinkill]

TO is an immature boy in a mans body. Doesn't excuse the behavior that attracts the media attention but I have a bit of sympathy for him because he just doesn't know better.

ESPN is a cold. calculating, merciless, controversy generating, machine.

Their "reporting" when it comes to personalities like TO is akin to the the cool kids picking on the slow kid on the playground.

I'd buy TO a beer. I'd smash my empty bottle over ESPN's head.

Cannot argue with any of that.

[JoeCorrado]

:laugh2:

One guy I have never heard of ..... a worst poster poster finalist ...... and the worst poster winner.

That is a great defense team.

From the guy that I've never heard of.

Great prosecution team, eh?

Been a Cowboys fan since they lost to the Colts in SB V - I've seen enough "problem players" or those who were "perceived" as such to know the real deal when I see it. Owens and his "issues" were a small price to pay for the production.

From Hollywood, to Duane Thomas, Irvin and all points in between. All were considered distractions, misfits or trouble makers by many. Do you think Owens was worse?

Make your argument or hush up.

By the way, my name is Joe Corrado. Pleased to meet you.

[JoeCorrado]

Basically, you deny that he is a locker room problem.

Thanks. The Bills gifted him with a one-year contract. Taking into consideration the personnel already in place, they had absolutely no Super Bowl aspirations--much less playoff hopes.

True, they brought Owens in to heighten fan enthusiasm.

So, you are basically admitting that he accomplished the goal that the team had for him when they signed him. They brought him in because Owens DOES have value- and that value has to be balanced against his personality, or baggage if you wish. Teams make those decisions everyday. Even in Dallas.

I always aim to please. No need to thank me.

Still, Owens is Owens... Simply put, he can't help himself. I recognized that trait within him within his first few seasons in San Francisco. It didn't surprise me then and it certainly didn't surprise me many years later when he played here.
I agree. He just can't help himself. Self inflicted damage for the most part. The mentality of a child in many ways. I can't hold that against him any more than I could hold Lett's boo-boos against him. It came as part of the package. Owens just couldn't help himself- and every opportunity that he gave to ESPN, or his other distractors was pounced on, magnified and generally blown out of proportion. So what- that's life. His fault? ESPN's fault? Your fault? What's the difference, right? Everybody has a finger in the pie.


Throughout its history, the NFL has seen (and will continue to see) various incarnations of the "Terrell Owens" within its player ranks--namely, extremely talented, yet woefully idiotic and self-defeating. See my previous post for a few examples.

As far as his tenure here is concerned, what of it? Did he contribute a bunch of receiving yards and touchdowns while he was here? Yep.

'nough said. And THAT was my point. Thank YOU, for agreeing.

So far as his leaving last season- if he had not, do you think that Austin would have had the opportunity to do what he did? Nope.

And giving the youngsters the OPPORTUNITY to play was one of the reasons given for his release. Or is my recollection wrong?

Did JJ or Wade say a negative thing about him as a reason for his release? Please feel free to reference any negative behavior as a reason for his release. I sure don't recall it.

[zrinkill]

Make your argument or hush up.

You want me to argue that Owens is a disruptive influence and not worth the trouble he causes?

:lmao:

ok here I go ....

<clears throat>

Star incident

accused 49'rs head coach of intentionally blowing game

'Sharpie' incident

Pom-Poms incident

sideline tirades with 49'rs

refused to report to Ravens

hinted that ex-teammate Jeff Garcia was gay

mocked Ray Lewis

$7.5 million not enough to “feed his family.”.

hinting that he might hold out of training camp, Owens shows up with a bad attitude, refusing to acknowledge the media or speak to his teammates. After a confrontation with head coach Andy Reid, he was suspended for one week.

took shots at the Eagles franchise for not publicly recognizing his 100th touchdown catch. During the interview he stated the Eagles showed a "lack of class". He also suggested the Eagles would be better off with Packers QB Brett Favre instead of Donovan McNabb.

suspended November 5 by the Eagles for the club's contest against the Washington Redskins on November 6.

Owens' suspension was stretched to four games, and head coach Andy Reid added that Owens would not play for the remainder of the season.

Owens released a tell-all book badmouthing his old team.

Owens claimed he was misquoted in his own autobiography.

On August 3, Owens missed the first of 14 consecutive days of practice because of a hamstring problem despite an MRI two days later revealing no major problems. After returning to practice for several days, Owens claimed he re-aggravated the injury because his coaches pushed him back to the playing field too soon. This time he didn't return to practice until August 29.

On August 10, while still out with an injured hamstring, Owens drew attention to himself by wearing the silver and blue uniform of Lance Armstrong's Discovery Channel pro cycling team while riding a stationary bicycle on the sidelines.

September 26, Owens was taken by ambulance to Baylor University Medical Center for what was thought to be a suicide attempt. The following day, Owens denied trying to kill himself, claiming a mixture of pain pills and supplements caused him to be "out of it" when talking to emergency respondents

Owens has a run in with Cowboys receivers coach Todd Haley (the incident isn't reported until Friday). It began when Owens missed the start of Wednesday's practice because of an upset stomach, and Haley berated him for being late. Owens held his tongue then, but they later argued during a meeting. On his Friday radio show Owens said, "there will be nothing else, no other dialogue" between him and Haley. "There will be no more friendly nothing because I don't trust anybody like that. I will go out and practice hard. I will respect him as a coach, and he should respect me as a player. Anything outside of that I am not going to be able to deal with."

spit in the face of cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

Accused Romo and Witten not including him in plans

Accused Jason Garrett of bad gameplans

Joined Bills

Kicked of Bills

No team wants him.

[JoeCorrado]

Lots of words that don't add up to diddly.

One, just one incident from Irvin's past would make all that you mentioned above pale in comparison.

I cannot believe that you mentioned the "star" incident. :lmao:

I am surprised that you didn't mention popcorn in there somewhere.

Your arguments are as childish as the arguments that Owens makes when accusing ESPN that all of his problems are created by somebody else.

Come on, you can do better. Or is that all you have??

Please try to be concise in your response. I enjoy reading but really, there has to be a plot to the story to keep me reading, and your previous post was like trying to convince me that Mount Scott is really Mount Everest.

Give me some real meat to sink my teeth in to. Don't talk to me about pom-poms. :cool:

==
edit: add the following for your consideration:

235 receptions / 3500 yards / 38 TDs >> his end zone celebration penalties.

The Star > Owens

ESPN < PBS

[zrinkill]

Lots of words that don't add up to diddly.

One, just one incident from Irvin's past would make all that you mentioned above pale in comparison.

I cannot believe that you mentioned the "star" incident. :lmao:

I am surprised that you didn't mention popcorn in there somewhere.

Your arguments are as childish as the arguments that Owens makes when accusing ESPN that all of his problems are created by somebody else.

Come on, you can do better. Or is that all you have??

Please try to be concise in your response. I enjoy reading but really, there has to be a plot to the story to keep me reading, and your previous post was like trying to convince me that Mount Scott is really Mount Everest.

Give me some real meat to sink my teeth in to. Don't talk to me about pom-poms. :cool:

This was about being a good teammate ..... a distraction ..... a liability in the internet age.

You are confusing me with someone who thinks Irvin and his antics would have been acceptable in this age ......

The fact that you are trying to defend this moron is all I need to know about your mindset.

"diddly" that.

[JoeCorrado]

This was about being a good teammate ..... a distraction ..... a liability in the internet age.

You are confusing me with someone who thinks Irvin and his antics would have been acceptable in this age ......

The fact that you are trying to defend this moron is all I need to know about your mindset.

"diddly" that.

The internet age??

Way to slip into the abyss partner. No valid argument leaves you struggling, eh?

Your intellect < your post count. Let's just move along then. :rolleyes:

[jimmy40]

How did the scales balance out for the team during his tenure here?
well the owner gave him 9 mil to go away

[Bob Sacamano]

Since when does off-field attention have to do with lockerroom accountability?

There a few examples of primmadonnas who were good team players throughout history:

George Patton

Salmon P Chase.

[Stautner]

From Hollywood, to Duane Thomas, Irvin and all points in between. All were considered distractions, misfits or trouble makers by many. Do you think Owens was worse?

Sure, we've had problem children like any NFL team, but there are a couple of differences with TO.

One is that he makes it a public spectacle, and at times intentionally so. People tend to overlook things as long as they aren't public and in your face.

Another is that he bashes teammates, and again, often publically. Lockerroom incidents behind closed doors are one thing, but holding press conferences designed to publically bash teammates, coaches and ownership like he did in Philly are another.

He has a history of the same kind of issues with every team he has been on, and his latest claims are just more of the same. In some places the issues have been smaller than in others, but he has laid a bed for himself over the course of many years, and that's what colors the way he is perceived, but rather than learn from his mistakes he ALWAYS ends up pointing fingers at people.

[Bob Sacamano]

Sure, we've had problem children like any NFL team, but there are a couple of differences with TO.

One is that he makes it a public spectacle, and at times intentionally so. People tend to overlook things as long as they aren't public and in your face.

Another is that he bashes teammates, and again, often publically. Lockerroom incidents behind closed doors are one thing, but holding press conferences designed to publically bash teammates, coaches and ownership like he did in Philly are another.

He has a history of the same kind of issues with every team he has been on, and his latest claims are just more of the same. In some places the issues have been smaller than in others, but he has laid a bed for himself over the course of many years, and that's what colors the way he is perceived, but rather than learn from his mistakes he ALWAYS ends up pointing fingers at people.

But there is not one instance of him sabotaging on the field those teammates whom he bashes. Or shirking his on-field responsibilities to them.

[DallasEast]

So, you are basically admitting that he accomplished the goal that the team had for him when they signed him. They brought him in because Owens DOES have value- and that value has to be balanced against his personality, or baggage if you wish. Teams make those decisions everyday. Even in Dallas

I always aim to please. No need to thank me..You appear to be on some sort of "value" kick. Where exactly did I state that Owens had 'small' or 'zero' value as a wide receiver :confused:

As far as the "thank" response is concerned, you've overlooked a comment made earlier in the thread (although not by me).
I agree. He just can't help himself. Self inflicted damage for the most part. The mentality of a child in many ways. I can't hold that against him any more than I could hold Lett's boo-boos against him. It came as part of the package. Owens just couldn't help himself- and every opportunity that he gave to ESPN, or his other distractors was pounced on, magnified and generally blown out of proportion. So what- that's life. His fault? ESPN's fault? Your fault? What's the difference, right? Everybody has a finger in the pie. :laugh2: @ "everybody".See my previous post for a few examples.It always funny whenever his supporters do not allow Owens to be seen as is. It's always, "He's equal to this player or that player." Thankfully, the Hollywood Hendersons, Duane Thomases and Michael Irvins have not promoted their personal shortcomings as media victimization.'nough said. And THAT was my point. Thank YOU, for agreeing.Your point is irrelevant. In his unique case, it's the same point which would be incorrectly emphasized immediately following after his departures from San Francisco AND Philadelphia AND Dallas AND now (to a certain extent) Buffalo. Thus, I ask again, "What of it"? His production on the field has not secured his spot on multiple rosters or made him appear 'indisposable'. It should have, but it hasn't. The question is why?

Who knows? Let's not ask those in-the-know within the front offices of his former teams or others throughout the league. Let's ask ESPN instead (the dirty scoundrels). :rolleyes:So far as his leaving last season- if he had not, do you think that Austin would have had the opportunity to do what he did? Nope.Of course not. Perhaps you should pose the question to others here who fretted over his release on this forum. I (on the other hand) am on forum record before, during and after his release stating (either verbally or though illustrations) that Owens removal from the offense would not be detrimental, but acknowledged that the wide receiver corp as a group could succeed without him in the mix. And this was before many outside the team itself had any idea of what Miles Austin could do.

I certainly wished you had posed a similar question to me way back then. It would have saved you the trouble of asking this redundant question nearly 1 1/2 years after it was necessary. :) And giving the youngsters the OPPORTUNITY to play was one of the reasons given for his release. Or is my recollection wrong? If you sincerely mean "one of the reasons", my answer would be 'no'. If not, my answer would be 'oy'.Did JJ or Wade say a negative thing about him as a reason for his release?Umm.

Wade Phillips has been around the NFL for a long, LONG time.

Does anyone ever recall him saying a negative thing about a player which was worthy of conversation? Ever?

So, my answer would be no. Still, since you're questioning whether Wade Phillips (of all people) would publicly comment in a negative fashion about ANY player (much less Terrell Owens), I am honestly tempted to retract my answer and replace it with, "Where's the relevance?"

Bill Parcells? Sure. Jimmy Johnson. Yep. Wade Phillips? Good grief. :cool:

And Jerry Jones? You've included his name as well? :huh: "Jerral Wayne Jones"? That guy??? You're talking about the same guy who's been kickin' it around Valley Ranch for 20+ years? That guy? The same guy whom you have to get drunk first in order to capture a not so politically correct response on a cameraphone AND he can still manage to turn a negative characterization into a flippin' joke Jerry Jones?

In my best Tom Jackson voice, "Come on, man". :rolleyes:

[Oops! I mentioned someone from ESPN. Dang!]
Please feel free to reference any negative behavior as a reason for his release. I sure don't recall it.No kidding.

[JoeCorrado]

Obviously the question of Owen's behavior is one that can best be placed in the context of "degrees" to which his "disruptions or distractions" to the players in and out of the locker room compare to others.

Ben Rothlisberger

Vince Young

Randy Moss

Etc, etc, etc~

You betcha, the guy is a real problem child.

[Hostile]

Obviously...

You betcha, the guy is a real problem child.He absolutely is. No question about it.

[InmanRoshi]

Irvin made some really stupid decisions in his personal life, but someone will have to refresh my memory and remind me of the time when Michael Irvin tried to split the lockerroom by claiming Troy Aikman and Jay Novacek were secretly conspiring together to see to it that other players weren't getting the ball.

Stupid people do stupid things and stupid things get forgiven .... however, trying to rip the fabric of the team apart and breed mutiny amongst your quarterback and coaching staff among your teammates (repeatedly in your career)? You gotsta go.

[Bob Sacamano]

Irvin made some really stupid decisions in his personal life, but someone will have to refresh my memory and remind me of the time when Michael Irvin tried to split the lockerroom by claiming Troy Aikman and Jay Novacek were secretly conspiring together to see to it that other players weren't getting the ball.

Stupid people do stupid things and stupid things get forgiven .... however, trying to rip the fabric of the team apart and breed mutiny amongst your quarterback and coaching staff among your teammates (repeatedly in your career)? You gotsta go.

I don't think the thing that happened with Romo was him "trying to rip the fabric of the team apart".

He just doesn't know how to communicate properly. Plus he's obviously paranoid.

I doubt he went to one of the Olinemen, and told him to allow a pass-rusher through him to nail Romo.

Now the situation with Garcia was different, although again, I don't think he was doing it to divide the Eagles.

[JoeCorrado]

trying to rip the fabric of the team apart and breed mutiny amongst your quarterback and coaching staff among your teammates (repeatedly in your career)? You gotsta go.

Oh please. Your description does not match the facts.

His career of "trying to rip the fabric of the team apart and breed mutiny amongst your quarterback and coaching staff among your teammates" huh?

In reverse order:

Dallas: You CHOOSE to believe the allegations in the face of repeated assurances to the contrary. At some point you have to accept that the most likely "truth" is that Owens did not do what he was accused of.

The Eagles and McNabb: Owens returned from injury to play in the SB. His performance that day was one that even his worst detractors should be able to agree was magnificent. AFTER the game, he "rightly stated" that HE was not the one who got tired late in the game when it mattered the most. SURELY you remember the game, don't you? McPuke... I mean McNabb could barely make it out of the huddle. McNabb likely cost the Eagles the game. Was Owens wrong for saying it in public? Sure. Hardly grounds for all the drama that followed. And if you know ANYTHING about McNabb, you know that HE is a "throw your buddies under the bus" kind of guy on almost a weekly basis. Owens gets the blame for opening his mouth when he should not have- and he paid the price for it. For my money though- he spoke the truth and had every right to do so. Not like it was a secret to any of the millions of us who watched the game.

The 49ers: Owens should have just played out the year with the 49ers. The team obviously wanted him to, and he was obligated to do so. Regardless of his agent not filing the paperwork to void the last season of the contract, once the date had passed to do so Owens was obligated IF the TEAM WANTED to pick up the option... and they did. Owens whined his way out of it and was traded- twice actually. Kind of reminds me of Brett Favre. You remember all of THAT whining after the draft, don't you? Anyway- Owens certainly didn't "rip the fabric" of the team apart in San Fran. anymore than Charles Haley did.

ESPN loves the guy because he is SUCH an easy target, THEY just can't help themselves anymore than Owens can. THAT is my point. Is it true that his problems are the fault of ESPN? Of course not- all they do is run their mouths... just like Owens. But THEY are never held accountable for THEIR "erors" in "creating", I mean reporting the news.

Owens has never driven his cleats into the face of another player as he lay helpless on the ground. Never forced himself on a woman when she said no. Never killed an innocent person while driving drunk. You get the point, surely? Why isn't ESPN hot on the trail of those all too often repeated stories in the NFL, hounding them relentlessly?

All things considered, we could have done far worse than to have had Owens here for the years that he was. I don't understand all of the angst here aimed at him. Are you all so really angry about that "star incident" that somebody mentioned earlier?? Or are you all so really bored that you stoop to this?

Owens was a Dallas Cowboy for three of his most productive seasons. And he has had some great ones. If given the choice of Owens or Randy Moss... let's just say it would be a no brainer. I'd take Owens. Regardless of whether ESPN approved or not.

[Yeagermeister]

Irvin made some really stupid decisions in his personal life, but someone will have to refresh my memory and remind me of the time when Michael Irvin tried to split the lockerroom by claiming Troy Aikman and Jay Novacek were secretly conspiring together to see to it that other players weren't getting the ball.

Stupid people do stupid things and stupid things get forgiven .... however, trying to rip the fabric of the team apart and breed mutiny amongst your quarterback and coaching staff among your teammates (repeatedly in your career)? You gotsta go.

And when he got in trouble the team rallied to his side. Aikman was in the court room everyday.

And on the field Irvin took care of business. He never led the league in dropped passes or alligator armed them. He caught the ball even when he knew he was going to get hit.

[Yeagermeister]

If given the choice of Owens or Randy Moss... let's just say it would be a no brainer. I'd take Owens. Regardless of whether ESPN approved or not.

I'm glad we passed on Moss and was one happy Cowboy fan when TO was released.

[casmith07]

Terrell Owens is just about done and he's the only person that doesn't know it.

[Apollo Creed]

I'm glad we passed on Moss and was one happy Cowboy fan when TO was released.

Moss is the type of player that can suddenly make the other 52 guys look better.

He would've instantly made this team better, he wouldn't have been able to hide all the warts - but we sure would've been a lot more competitive than taking an above average pass rusher instead.

[Yeagermeister]

Moss is the type of player that can suddenly make the other 52 guys look better.

He would've instantly made this team better, he wouldn't have been able to hide all the warts - but we sure would've been a lot more competitive than taking an above average pass rusher instead.

Moss would have had fun in the white house. Aikman was almost done. He wouldn't have had the impact he did in Minn. At the time Ellis was the right fit IMO. QC throwing to Moss would have interesting to watch. :laugh2:

[tyke1doe]

Moss is the type of player that can suddenly make the other 52 guys look better.

He would've instantly made this team better, he wouldn't have been able to hide all the warts - but we sure would've been a lot more competitive than taking an above average pass rusher instead.

And yet Moss has won how many rings? :confused:

I think Moss is a very talented wide receiver. But I don't think Moss is a leader. He doesn't strike me as a Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice in intensity and leadership. He'll make a spectacular play. But Moss isn't going to sell out to make a play, IMO. Most of his plays are made within his "giftedness," i.e., outjumping and outleaping people. I just haven't seen him go all out to catch a ball like David Tyree did.

But that's my opinion.

[JoeCorrado]

I don't think Moss is a leader. He doesn't strike me as a Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice in intensity and leadership. He'll make a spectacular play. But Moss isn't going to sell out to make a play, IMO. Most of his plays are made within his "giftedness," i.e., outjumping and outleaping people. I just haven't seen him go all out to catch a ball like David Tyree did.

Could not agree more. :hammer:

[Stautner]

But there is not one instance of him sabotaging on the field those teammates whom he bashes. Or shirking his on-field responsibilities to them.

It doesn't matter. If it causes dissention and hard feelings and leads to division it still hurts the team. There are more ways to hurt a team than just dropping passes. Unity and communication and trust are vital. Those are the things that turn a group of talented individuals into an outstanding team.

[Stautner]

Moss is the type of player that can suddenly make the other 52 guys look better.

He would've instantly made this team better, he wouldn't have been able to hide all the warts - but we sure would've been a lot more competitive than taking an above average pass rusher instead.

Let's keep in mind that Moss was so much of a problem that both Minnesota and Oakland were willing to let him walk with basically nothing in return. That doesn't say much for how much better Moss would have made us. He would have made us more exciting, no doubt, but there is no reason to believe that we wouldn't have made the same choice after a couple of years of tolerating him that those teams did. The Moss of today is actually better for a team than the Moss of back then, despite having lost a step, because the Moss of today has learned to fit with a team.

[InmanRoshi]

Oh please. Your description does not match the facts.

His career of "trying to rip the fabric of the team apart and breed mutiny amongst your quarterback and coaching staff among your teammates" huh?

In reverse order:

Dallas: You CHOOSE to believe the allegations in the face of repeated assurances to the contrary. At some point you have to accept that the most likely "truth" is that Owens did not do what he was accused of.

Please, you don't have any "facts" or any "truth" any more than anyone else. You choose to believe what you want to believe because TO is your hero and you'll defend him until the day you die.

You have your belief of how things have went down, and I have mine. Mine is just supported by the fact that he's been dumped from teams repeatedly for lockerroom antics, and none of his former coaches who have witnessed his behavour first hand want to touch him again with a 10 foot pole.

[Arch Stanton]

I'm getting flashbacks of 5Countem5 and JordanTaber. :(