How 'Bout Them Rangers

[jr40usa]

Sorry guys for talking baseball, I am usually thru caring about the Tx. Rnagers when training camp starts - But this may be the year good things happen for the Rangers and Cowboys.

[BigDFan5]

Rangers look great right now and with a 7 game lead they should be a shoo in for post season (knock knock)


Getting Cliff Lee to match with Wilson and Lewis should make us serious World Series contenders

[Red Dragon]

Can't wait for the Angels to go down again tonight....and again tomorrow.



You won't believe this nonsense from an Angels fan site:

http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/7/23/1585329/pathetic-rangers-offense-squeaks#comments

Pathetic Rangers Offense Squeaks Past Angels
The Texas Rangers are running out of gas and nobody is noticing. Their slumping offense held on to a 1st inning HR by Michael Young to avoid being shutout by Joe Saunders. The Angels lefty came into the game with an ERA over 11 in Texas and allowed that lone run in 7 innings pitched. It is not even August and the Rangers can barely lift the bats off their shoulders, scoring a meager four runs in the first two games of their four game set with the reigning American League West champion Angels. The Halos will have no trouble repeating with the wilting Texas team phoning in the final 40 percent of the season like they did tonight.

[jimmy40]

Can't wait for the Angels to go down again tonight....and again tomorrow.



You won't believe this nonsense from an Angels fan site:

http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/7/23/1585329/pathetic-rangers-offense-squeaks#comments

Pathetic Rangers Offense Squeaks Past Angels
The Texas Rangers are running out of gas and nobody is noticing. Their slumping offense held on to a 1st inning HR by Michael Young to avoid being shutout by Joe Saunders. The Angels lefty came into the game with an ERA over 11 in Texas and allowed that lone run in 7 innings pitched. It is not even August and the Rangers can barely lift the bats off their shoulders, scoring a meager four runs in the first two games of their four game set with the reigning American League West champion Angels. The Halos will have no trouble repeating with the wilting Texas team phoning in the final 40 percent of the season like they did tonight.

Seems like the guy is just figuring on history repeating itself.

[Mike_45]

I am loving this season! I have been a Rangers fan since about 1990, but really did not follow the team every day until right after the strike.

They are inducting Tom Grieve into the Rangers Hall of fame tonight, I can honestly that man helped me really grow to love baseball. Pretty cool.

Hopefully we can make it 8 games over the Angels tonight!

[Bob Sacamano]

Rangers look great right now and with a 7 game lead they should be a shoo in for post season (knock knock)


Getting Cliff Lee to match with Wilson and Lewis should make us serious World Series contenders

:ralph:

[windward]

Can't wait for the Angels to go down again tonight....and again tomorrow.



You won't believe this nonsense from an Angels fan site:

http://www.halosheaven.com/2010/7/23/1585329/pathetic-rangers-offense-squeaks#comments

Pathetic Rangers Offense Squeaks Past Angels
The Texas Rangers are running out of gas and nobody is noticing. Their slumping offense held on to a 1st inning HR by Michael Young to avoid being shutout by Joe Saunders. The Angels lefty came into the game with an ERA
over 11 in Texas and allowed that lone run in 7 innings pitched. It is not even August and the Rangers can barely lift the bats off their shoulders, scoring a meager four runs in the first two games of their four game set with the reigning American League West champion Angels. The Halos will have no
trouble repeating with the wilting Texas team phoning in the final 40 percent of the season like they did tonight.

Annd the Angels scored how many runs in the first two games?

That's right.

[Clutch]

Love the Rangers.

[Sam I Am]

Man, I really like Kinsler, but the man is injury prone all to hell. :banghead:

[DFWJC]

Brutal schedule going forward.
But with 3 starting pitchers in the top 20, I like our odds!

[juck]

Win 60!

[juck]

Man, I really like Kinsler, but the man is injury prone all to hell. :banghead:
I agree.He ison 15 day tho. Should be ok altho Arias sucks.

[cowboyeric8]

I agree.He ison 15 day tho. Should be ok altho Arias sucks.

Arias' bat isn't terrible. Maybe Cantu can play a little 2nd. I loved the rookie Moreland going 2-4.

The quicker Feldman gets sent down the better.

Injuries happen, I hope nothing major happens to anyone.

[Rynie]

I actually got drug to the last game against the Angels (I hate baseball), and had more fun than I thought I would. George Bush Jr. and Laura were there. They announced his presence and everyone cheered. I BOOED as loud as I could.

[StylisticS]

Yep. I'm a big Ranger fan myself. These are fun times to be a Ranger fan. But our offense has slide a bit and it's honestly because we did not get any production the last 2-3 weeks or since the Cliff Lee trade and that centers around Chris Davis. He's a good defensive player. But when it comes to a bat, he is terrible. I think he is now under .200 for the season. Something needed to change.

[Sam I Am]

Arias' bat isn't terrible. Maybe Cantu can play a little 2nd. I loved the rookie Moreland going 2-4.

The quicker Feldman gets sent down the better.

Injuries happen, I hope nothing major happens to anyone.

Yeah, I was excited to see Moreland go 2-4, but it's early. Once teams get a better look at him, it will get harder for him.

As for Feldman, I don't think he can't be sent down. (3 years in the majors) Anyhow, I believe he is about to be relegated to the bullpen. He was suppose to start Saturday, but they've taken that away from him. I'm not sure he will see another start until he works out his issues.

[Eldorado]

It bothers me how a team that declared bankruptcy can still mike high-profile trades. This is a business, after all. Life shouldn't just work like that.

[Sam I Am]

It bothers me how a team that declared bankruptcy can still mike high-profile trades. This is a business, after all. Life shouldn't just work like that.

You sound like an apposing team fan that is scared of the Rangers. Did you even look at the trades they made. They cost minimal money on the Rangers part.

Move along now.

[Stautner]

Yeah, I was excited to see Moreland go 2-4, but it's early. Once teams get a better look at him, it will get harder for him.

As for Feldman, I don't think he can't be sent down. (3 years in the majors) Anyhow, I believe he is about to be relegated to the bullpen. He was suppose to start Saturday, but they've taken that away from him. I'm not sure he will see another start until he works out his issues.

I think Feldman can be designated for assignment to the minors, and then he could make a choice to either accept it or become a free agent. It's a shame he isn't performing like last year, but I'm not sure he even has a significant role in our bullpen. With Harden coming back, and Holland getting healthy in the minors I'm nost sure how he fits.

[juck]

I think Feldman is pitching tonight.

[ajk23az]

Brutal schedule going forward.
But with 3 starting pitchers in the top 20, I like our odds!

How about one in the top 20...I can name a lot more than 17 guys that are better than Tommy Hunter & CJ Wilson (assuming you mean the 3rd as Wilson and not Lewis.)

[Joe Realist]

How do you Ranger fans like Cliff Lee?

[cbfan55]

I think Feldman is pitching tonight.


No the undefeated Hunter is on the mound tonight....YEAH BABY!!

[cbfan55]

How do you Ranger fans like Cliff Lee?
I love him so far

[Joe Realist]

I love him so far


Despite getting Oswalt, I am still upset the Phillies traded him away.

A rotation of Halladay, Lee, Hamels and Happ would be unstoppable.

Now its Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Joe " 6.00 ERA " Blanton and Kyle Kendrick

Maybe a Phillies vs Rangers WS?

[Sam I Am]

How do you Ranger fans like Cliff Lee?

Thats like asking how bees like honey! :laugh2:

[cbfan55]

[quote=Joe Realist;3476048]Despite getting Oswalt, I am still upset the Phillies traded him away.

A rotation of Halladay, Lee, Hamels and Happ would be unstoppable.

Now its Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Joe " 6.00 ERA " Blanton and Kyle Kendrick

Maybe a Phillies vs Rangers WS?[/quot

That would be a good showdown

[Sam I Am]

I think Feldman is pitching tonight.

No, he was scheduled to pitch tomorrow night, but Washington scratched him. Rich Harden I believe is returning from injury to start.

[DFWJC]

It bothers me how a team that declared bankruptcy can still mike high-profile trades. This is a business, after all. Life shouldn't just work like that.
They are staying within the established budget, so what's the big deal?

[DFWJC]

Despite getting Oswalt, I am still upset the Phillies traded him away.

A rotation of Halladay, Lee, Hamels and Happ would be unstoppable.

Now its Halladay, Oswalt, Hamels, Joe " 6.00 ERA " Blanton and Kyle Kendrick

Maybe a Phillies vs Rangers WS?
That would be sweet. I'll be stoked if the Rangers just win a series b/c right now that would be against either NY or TB (both very tough).

BTW, I doubt the Phillies get Oswalt if they still have Lee on the books, but that rotation would be sick.

[Eldorado]

You sound like an apposing team fan that is scared of the Rangers. Did you even look at the trades they made. They cost minimal money on the Rangers part.

Move along now.
"Apposing"?

You sound like an illiterate moron.

My point is that if they already can't afford to pay the players, even a "minimal" cost seems to be going in the wrong direction if you ask me.

[Eldorado]

Furthermore, you guys might want to tap the breaks when it comes to these World Series plans. I'm a Yankees fan, i'll get that out there right away; but there won't be anything given about even a playoff series. Assuming, which is a fair assumption, the Yankees win the AL regular season and the Rays take the wild card, or vice versa. Because of the rules that you can't play a division opponent in the first round, the Rangers would theoretically have to beat the Rays in a 5 game series, followed by the Yankees in a 7 game series. Cliff Lee isn't going to play all 7 games.

Impossible? Hardly. But don't buy your tickets yet.

[Eldorado]

Rangers just acquired Christian Guzman from Washington, on the MLB's dime. A team that's in the negatives with money is still spending money. Gotta love the American way.

[Sam I Am]

Furthermore, you guys might want to tap the breaks when it comes to these World Series plans. I'm a steroid supplying, overpaying, can't win without a $200M payroll, angry fan

Ummm. Yeah.

Do you bandwagon all the high profile teams? Let me guess, Red Wings and Laker fan too right?

Lets just remove the ability for you to annoy me.

/ignored.

[Eldorado]

Ummm. Yeah.

Do you bandwagon all the high profile teams? Let me guess, Red Wings and Laker fan too right?

Lets just remove the ability for you to annoy me.

/ignored.
No! Please don't ignore me! What can I do to change that!? You're such a respected member that I actually care about what you say to me! Gosh darn it!

Actually, if you care, I'm a Devils fan, Yankees fan, and 'Would rather have a colonoscopy than cheer for an NBA team' fan. The Cowboys came about because my dad grew up in Texas, the Yankees and Devils came about because I grew up in Jersey. Bite me.

[Chocolate Lab]

Rangers just acquired Christian Guzman from Washington, on the MLB's dime. A team that's in the negatives with money is still spending money. Gotta love the American way.

In most of these cases, the Rangers are sending back good prospects in exchange for the trading team picking up the players' salary.

They had three or four million in their budget long before the trade deadline even came around, and they haven't exceeded that.

[Stautner]

Furthermore, you guys might want to tap the breaks when it comes to these World Series plans. I'm a Yankees fan, i'll get that out there right away; but there won't be anything given about even a playoff series. Assuming, which is a fair assumption, the Yankees win the AL regular season and the Rays take the wild card, or vice versa. Because of the rules that you can't play a division opponent in the first round, the Rangers would theoretically have to beat the Rays in a 5 game series, followed by the Yankees in a 7 game series. Cliff Lee isn't going to play all 7 games.

Impossible? Hardly. But don't buy your tickets yet.

Hell, the same thing applies to every team that is looking good for the playoffs. Ranger fans know it isn't a sure thing, but this is easily the best all around team in Rangers history, and I don't think there is any question they have a realistic shot.

And the pitching staff is much more than Cliff Lee, although he is the best of the bunch. Tommy Hunter, C.J. Wilson and Colby Lewis are all having outstanding years, and Rich Hardin is about to come back from the DL and take Feldman's spot in the rotation. That's a very complete rotation. The bullpen is strong, the defense is outstanding, and the offense is as dangerous as any team in baseball. And despite not having Yankee like playoff experience, there are steady as a rock veterans like Young, Molina and Lee to help with leadership and overall team maturity.

[Sam I Am]

Hell, the same thing applies to every team that is looking good for the playoffs. Ranger fans know it isn't a sure thing, but this is easily the best all around team in Rangers history, and I don't think there is any question they have a realistic shot.

And the pitching staff is much more than Cliff Lee, although he is the best of the bunch. Tommy Hunter, C.J. Wilson and Colby Lewis are all having outstanding years, and Rich Hardin is about to come back from the DL and take Feldman's spot in the rotation. The bullben is strong, the defense is outstanding, and the offense is as dangerous as any team in baseball. And despite not having Yankee like playoff experience, there are steady as a rock veterans like Young, Molina and Lee to help with leadership and overall team maturity.

Don't argue with him. He believes because the Yankees spend $206 million on payroll they are ENTITLED to win the World Series. No team that only spends a quarter of what the Yankees spend could every win anything.

...of course you can see he is shaking in his boots by all the hate he is throwing this way. If the Rangers knock the Yankees out it will be sweet. A $55 million dollar payroll sinking a $206 million dollar payroll.

I find it funny that a Yankees fan would complain about sub $4M dollars increase when his team is spending $151 million more in payroll. Thats $45 million more than the next highest payroll! Absolutely ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Eldorado]

Hell, the same thing applies to every team that is looking good for the playoffs. Ranger fans know it isn't a sure thing, but this is easily the best all around team in Rangers history, and I don't think there is any question they have a realistic shot.

And the pitching staff is much more than Cliff Lee, although he is the best of the bunch. Tommy Hunter, C.J. Wilson and Colby Lewis are all having outstanding years, and Rich Hardin is about to come back from the DL and take Feldman's spot in the rotation. That's a very complete rotation. The bullpen is strong, the defense is outstanding, and the offense is as dangerous as any team in baseball. And despite not having Yankee like playoff experience, there are steady as a rock veterans like Young, Molina and Lee to help with leadership and overall team maturity.
Oh trust me trust me I'm not saying that the Rangers don't have a good chance, but for my money they're still the 3rd best team in the AL (which unfortunately also equates to the 3rd best team in all of baseball). Do they have a good chance at playing in the fall classic? Yup. Do the playoffs always rock chalk? Nope. So could the Rangers catch a hot streak and sweep their way to a World Series? Of course they could. Just don't start celebrating yet, the 4 best teams in baseball in my opinion (Yankees Rays Rangers and Red Sox) all play in the AL. Just the way the cookie crumbles.

[Stautner]

Don't argue with him. He believes because the Yankees spend $206 million on payroll they are ENTITLED to win the World Series. No team that only spends a quarter of what the Yankees spend could every win anything.

...of course you can see he is shaking in his boots by all the hate he is throwing this way. If the Rangers knock the Yankees out it will be sweet. A $55 million dollar payroll sinking a $206 million dollar payroll.

I find it funny that a Yankees fan would complain about sub $4M dollars increase when his team is spending $151 million more in payroll. Thats $45 million more than the next highest payroll! Absolutely ridiculous. :rolleyes:

History has proven that the highest payroll doesn't necessarily win. Unfortunately, the Rangers payroll is going to have to increase dramatically in order to keep all the players they have, and some of them we just wont be able to afford to keep. The Rangers know that, but they are building for this year specifically, knowing they still have a lot of talent in the minors to replace a few veterans next year and still keep us competative. If they can just kep the pitching staff together we should be competative again next year. Keeping Lee might be tough though.

[Eldorado]

Don't argue with him. He believes because the Yankees spend $206 million on payroll they are ENTITLED to win the World Series. No team that only spends a quarter of what the Yankees spend could every win anything.

...of course you can see he is shaking in his boots by all the hate he is throwing this way. If the Rangers knock the Yankees out it will be sweet. A $55 million dollar payroll sinking a $206 million dollar payroll.

I find it funny that a Yankees fan would complain about sub $4M dollars increase when his team is spending $151 million more in payroll. Thats $45 million more than the next highest payroll! Absolutely ridiculous. :rolleyes:
That ignore feature works in funny ways ;)

[Sam I Am]

History has proven that the highest payroll doesn't necessarily win. Unfortunately, the Rangers payroll is going to have to increase dramatically in order to keep all the players they have, and some of them we just wont be able to afford to keep. The Rangers know that, but they are building for this year specifically, knowing they still have a lot of talent in the minors to replace a few veterans next year and still keep us competative. If they can just kep the pitching staff together we should be competative again next year. Keeping Lee might be tough though.

Yeah, Lee wants to go to the Yankees. He is a goner after this season.

[Stautner]

Yeah, Lee wants to go to the Yankees. He is a goner after this season.

He was right out there for the Yankees to trade for a month ago. Why didn't the Yankess pull somethig off then?

[Sam I Am]

He was right out there for the Yankees to trade for a month ago. Why didn't the Yankess pull somethig off then?

He was all but a Yankee until the Rangers threw in Justin Smoak at the last minute when they heard the Yankees and Mariners had settled on a price. That was the deal breaker and why the Rangers got Lee instead of the Yankees.

Hell, Lee had already been on the phone with CC. They are friends from their days with the Indians.

[cowboyeric8]

He was right out there for the Yankees to trade for a month ago. Why didn't the Yankess pull somethig off then?

They tried, Rangers beat them to the punch.

[joseephuss]

History has proven that the highest payroll doesn't necessarily win.

That's right, but having money can help. The Yankees(1st), Phillies(4th) and Red Sox(2nd) all rank high in salary and are the past three World Series winners. Even with money you still have to pay the right guys. The Mets don't get the right guys.

[Stautner]

He was all but a Yankee until the Rangers through in Justin Smoak at the last minute when they heard the Yankees and Mariners had settled on a price. That was the deal breaker and why the Rangers got Lee.

Hell, Lee had already been on the phone with CC. They are friends from their days with the Indians.

Yet somehow CC and Lee didn't link their careers together before. What is there that would make you think that is an overriding factor now? I expect the Yankees to be in the running for him, and they might get him, but for now I don't see anything that makes that a foregone conclusion. And what if the Rangers win? How does that sway things?

[DFWJC]

He was all but a Yankee until the Rangers threw in Justin Smoak at the last minute when they heard the Yankees and Mariners had settled on a price. That was the deal breaker and why the Rangers got Lee instead of the Yankees.

Hell, Lee had already been on the phone with CC. They are friends from their days with the Indians.
This is how it went down.

[Sam I Am]

Yet somehow CC and Lee didn't link their careers together before. What is there that would make you think that is an overriding factor now? I expect the Yankees to be in the running for him, and they might get him, but for now I don't see anything that makes that a foregone conclusion. And what if the Rangers win? How does that sway things?

I don't know, but if the Rangers keep him it will be at an extremely high price tag. Most players don't like Texas because of the heat. Lee already mentioned that in his press conference. I'm pretty sure that was why Roy Halladay said he would evoke his no-trade cause if they tried to trade him to Texas earlier in the year when the Rangers went after him.

[Stautner]

I don't know, but if the Rangers keep him it will be at an extremely high price tag. Most players don't like Texas because of the heat. Lee already mentioned that in his press conference. I'm pretty sure that was why Roy Halladay said he would evoke his no-trade cause if they tried to trade him to Texas earlier in the year when the Rangers went after him.

Can't argue with the heat factor. The Texas heat can be tough. I was in the ballpark a week ago and thought I was going to melt.

And I agree the price tag will be tough to swallow. Like I mentioned before, some of the current Rangers are going to command a lot more money as their contracts expire, and they can't keep everyone. That's always the Yankees advantage - unlimited bank account.

Lee is someone I would love to keep though - he's a major influence aon any team's chances.

[DFWJC]

I don't know, but if the Rangers keep him it will be at an extremely high price tag. Most players don't like Texas because of the heat. Lee already mentioned that in his press conference. I'm pretty sure that was why Roy Halladay said he would evoke his no-trade cause if they tried to trade him to Texas earlier in the year when the Rangers went after him.
Non pitchers like playing here just fine, but yes, the pitchers don't like playing in that hitters park in the heat.

I love and prefer outdoor baseball, and I love our park.
But of all the teams without retractable roofs, the Rangers could have used one the most.

[Stautner]

Non pitchers like playing here just fine, but yes, the pitchers don't like playing in that hitters park in the heat.

I love and prefer outdoor baseball, and I love our park.
But of all the teams without retractable roofs, the Rangers could have used one the most.

Always make sure you sit on the 1st base side so the sun won't be directly on you.

[Sam I Am]

Tommy Hunter is stinking it up tonight. :(

At least the offense is rolling too, but at some point. Something has to give. Hopefully it's not the Rangers.

[theebs]

Tommy Hunter is stinking it up tonight. :(

At least the offense is rolling too, but at some point. Something has to give. Hopefully it's not the Rangers.

he bearhanded a groundball in the first inning and me thinks he wasnt the same from there on.

He just flat hung that breaking pitch to rivera, dont see him do that much.

[cowboyeric8]

he bearhanded a groundball in the first inning and me thinks he wasnt the same from there on.

He just flat hung that breaking pitch to rivera, dont see him do that much.

Yeah, too bad he can't remain perfect. Can't win them all.

[Stautner]

Cliff Lee has to be tired of no run support. IF that pattern doesn't change the Rangers chances of signing Lee to a longer term deal will go out the window.

[Sam I Am]

Cliff Lee has to be tired of no run support. IF that pattern doesn't change the Rangers chances of signing Lee to a longer term deal will go out the window.

That was a horrible game last night. I used to be a big David Murphy supporter, but man he is stinking it up. The at bat he had when the bases were loaded with one out was horrendous. Then he followed it up with the same exact bat the next time he came up.

They had Weaver in serious trouble several times and the most they could produce was one run. That was sickening.

[Stautner]

That was a horrible game last night. I used to be a big David Murphy supporter, but man he is stinking it up. The at bat he had when the bases were loaded with one out was horrendous. Then he followed it up with the same exact bat the next time he came up.

They had Weaver in serious trouble several times and the most they could produce was one run. That was sickening.

It really was sad. The had chances in a couple of innings and failed to get the key hits. Murphy had been playing well in his last few games, but he blew some chances last night.

Did you see the ground ball that got past Guzman? It was hit hard, but not far from him at all. Easily had a chance if he had laid out, but he just waved at it.

[Sam I Am]

It really was sad. The had chances in a couple of innings and failed to get the key hits. Murphy had been playing well in his last few games, but he blew some chances last night.

Did you see the ground ball that got past Guzman? It was hit hard, but not far from him at all. Easily had a chance if he had laid out, but he just waved at it.

I'm not big on the Guzman pickup. I do like the Cantu acquisition though. I suppose Guzman can he help fill in, but I think I would prefer Joaquin Arias to play instead while Kinsler is out. They have about the same batting average, although Guzman has a better OBP. Arias is a better defensive player.

Guzman's experience is good to have, (especially at the plate) but I think getting Arias more experience would be a good thing.

[Stautner]

I'm not big on the Guzman pickup. I do like the Cantu acquisition though. I suppose Guzman can he help fill in, but I think I would prefer Joaquin Arias to play instead while Kinsler is out. They have about the same batting average, although Guzman has a better OBP. Arias is a better defensive player.

Guzman's experience is good to have, (especially at the plate) but I think getting Arias more experience would be a good thing.

I agree. Arias was once a top prospect, and he filled in very well for Kinsler early in the season. Plus Guzman wasn't hitting all that well so far this year. It just didn't seem to merit giving up some young players and taking on Guzman's salary when there was plenty of reason to believe Arias and Blanco could have done the job until Kinsler returns in a few weeks. Kind of makes you wonder if the team expects Kinsler to be out longer than they have indicated.

I liked the Cantu deal to, although it appears he will be sharing time with Mitch Moreland. Moreland has looked good at the plate so far. He may be the future 1st baseman instead of Davis.

[Sam I Am]

I liked the Cantu deal to, although it appears he will be sharing time with Mitch Moreland. Moreland has looked good at the plate so far. He may be the future 1st baseman instead of Davis.

Even if Moreland remains hot, I'm still happy they grabbed Cantu. This guy is a clutch hitter that alone makes him a great pitch hitter if needed. Plus, you don't have hindsight until after it's over! :laugh2:

It was a smart pickup since Moreland's ability to handle the majors is still an unknown. Remember, Chris Davis was hitting when he first entered the league too. Pitchers figured him out, the same could happen to Moreland.

[Stautner]

Even if Moreland remains hot, I'm still happy they grabbed Cantu. This guy is a clutch hitter that alone makes him a great pitch hitter if needed. Plus, you don't have hindsight until after it's over! :laugh2:

It was a smart pickup since Moreland's ability to handle the majors is still an unknown. Remember, Chris Davis was hitting when he first entered the league too. Pitchers figured him out, the same could happen to Moreland.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not unhappy with the Cantu deal. Was really just commenting on Moreland and how Cantu will be used. I was excited about the Cantu signing. Besides, if Hamilton continues to have knee problems Moreland may be able to help in the outfield.

[Sam I Am]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not unhappy with the Cantu deal. Was really just commenting on Moreland and how Cantu will be used. I was excited about the Cantu signing. Besides, if Hamilton continues to have knee problems Moreland may be able to help in the outfield.

What did you think of the double pitch removing Borbon for Hamilton then pitching again for Hamilton once he walked. Washington basically removed both of our center fielders during one at bat.

Now, I understand wanting to give the Rangers a chance with Hamilton, but in the top of the 7th inning leaving yourself with no real center fielder for possibility the next three innings?

I'm willing to bet that Borbon or Hamilton could have grabbed that hit that Murphy couldn't get to in the bottom half of that inning. It ended up not meaning anything, but I thought it was a questionable decision. One I wouldn't have made in the top of the 7th.

[DFWJC]

Cliff Lee has to be tired of no run support. IF that pattern doesn't change the Rangers chances of signing Lee to a longer term deal will go out the window.
I'm feeling bad for Lee...this is getting ridiculous. The guy should have 4-5 wins with us already.

[Stautner]

What did you think of the double pitch removing Borbon for Hamilton then pitching again for Hamilton once he walked. Washington basically removed both of our center fielders during one at bat.

Now, I understand wanting to give the Rangers a chance with Hamilton, but in the top of the 7th inning leaving yourself with no real center fielder for possibility the next three innings?

I'm willing to bet that Borbon or Hamilton could have grabbed that hit that Murphy couldn't get to in the bottom half of that inning. It ended up not meaning anything, but I thought it was a questionable decision. One I wouldn't have made in the top of the 7th.



I agree that it seemed a little early to use Hamilton as a pinch hitter. I wasn't quite as worried about CF as you though. I felt Murphy could handle it fine, although I agree that Borbon or Hamilton can cover the position better, and both are more used to CF. My concern was the defense as a whole. The move affected much more than just the CF spot. Also, chances were that in the 9th inning there would be another opportunity to use Hamilton.

[InmanRoshi]

Cliff Lee has to be tired of no run support. IF that pattern doesn't change the Rangers chances of signing Lee to a longer term deal will go out the window.

I don't think the Rangers have a chance in hell of resigning him even if they gave him 9 runs a game. Seattle tried to negotiate a long term deal with him and he and his agent made it clear he didn't even want to talk about signing long term until he's tested the market. He and his agent have made it pretty clear they're going to the highest bidder (likely the Yankees), and there's little doubt he'll be the most prized free agent on the market.


I still like the trade though. He's brought an excitement and buzz around this team they haven't seen in 15 years (if ever), and they'll get draft pick compensation for him. And since the Rangers know they won't have him longer than a year, they dont have to worry about conserving him ... they'll pitch him until his arm falls off.

[Stautner]

I don't think the Rangers have a chance in hell of resigning him even if they gave him 9 runs a game. Seattle tried to negotiate a long term deal with him and he and his agent made it clear he didn't even want to talk about signing long term until he's tested the market. He and his agent have made it pretty clear they're going to the highest bidder (likely the Yankees), and there's little doubt he'll be the most prized free agent on the market.


I still like the trade though. He's brought an excitement and buzz around this team they haven't seen in 15 years (if ever), and they'll get draft pick compensation for him. And since the Rangers know they won't have him longer than a year, they dont have to worry about conserving him ... they'll pitch him until his arm falls off.


Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I suspect if the Rangers are successful (win the pennant - competer for or maybe win the World Series) and they can at least offer a competative contract, they have a shot at keeping Lee. Of course with the Yankees there is always the possibility that they will throw a completely ridiculous dollar amount at Lee. My hope is that Lee will be able to see the potential for long term success with Texas, which obviously was not the case with Seattle.

[InmanRoshi]

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I suspect if the Rangers are successful (win the pennant - competer for or maybe win the World Series) and they can at least offer a competative contract, they have a shot at keeping Lee. Of course with the Yankees there is always the possibility that they will throw a completely ridiculous dollar amount at Lee. My hope is that Lee will be able to see the potential for long term success with Texas, which obviously was not the case with Seattle.

I don't think he's opposed to signing in Texas, it's just that his top priority is getting the money. If the ownership situation is cleared up by free agency (which means Nolan's group wins the auction this week) and they want to usher in a new era by breaking out the checkbook for Lee and earn a lot of goodwill from the fans, I would certainly have no objections.

[Sam I Am]

I don't think he's opposed to signing in Texas, it's just that his top priority is getting the money. If the ownership situation is cleared up by free agency (which means Nolan's group wins the auction this week) and they want to usher in a new era by breaking out the checkbook for Lee and earn a lot of goodwill from the fans, I would certainly have no objections.

He prominently mentioned the heat here at his presser when he arrived. I think he is opposed to signing here.

[Alumni2k11]

My guess is he'll sign with the NYY in the offseason. All the reports I read stated how excited he was when it was believed he was going to be traded there last month. Him and CC are still pretty good friends too. I guess we'll see...

[Stautner]

I don't think he's opposed to signing in Texas, it's just that his top priority is getting the money. If the ownership situation is cleared up by free agency (which means Nolan's group wins the auction this week) and they want to usher in a new era by breaking out the checkbook for Lee and earn a lot of goodwill from the fans, I would certainly have no objections.

If Nolan's group wins I expect them to make a hard push for him. One of Nolan's main priorities when he joined the Rangers management was to change the mindset of the starting pitchers from just trying to get through 6 innings and hand off to the bullpen, to wanting to go the distance. Nolan considered it essential for the starters to go deeper into games. Nobody in baseball fits that bill more than Cliff Lee.

[joseephuss]

He prominently mentioned the heat here at his presser when he arrived. I think he is opposed to signing here.

He was talking about the Miami Heat.

[Stautner]

Great news that the Ryan/Greenberg group got the nod. Cuban would have been a good owner, but he's not a baseball guy. Besides, Nolan has been right in the middle of the Ranger's growth, and is a big part of their current success. Why screw with that?

[Sam I Am]

Great news that the Ryan/Greenberg group got the nod. Cuban would have been a good owner, but he's not a baseball guy. Besides, Nolan has been right in the middle of the Ranger's growth, and is a big part of their current success. Why screw with that?

He isn't a basketball guy either. :laugh2:

[juck]

I know its way too early but i wonder what the magic number is? lol

[Sam I Am]

I know its way too early but i wonder what the magic number is? lol

You mean the sale price? That was settled. It ended up being $593 million. $385 million in cash and the assumption of $208 million in debt that the club holds.

[Stautner]

He isn't a basketball guy either. :laugh2:
I've never checked into his background, but I've seen him out on the court shooting around before games and at halftime, and the guy has clearly played some basketball.

Besides, the basketball side (as opposed to the business side) of an NBA team is much easier than the baseball side of a MLB team ...... fewer players, no farm system, fewer positional nuances to understand, fewer diverse parts to mesh together, much smaller draft pool to scout.

But really, don't get me wrong. Like I said, I think Cuban would have been a good owner. I just think the team is better off with guys who have a better knowledge of the game in charge.

[Mike_45]

I am very happy that Ryan won the bid. I think Cuban would have done ok, he would not be afraid to spend the cash. But Ryan is a baseball guy and will continue to do great.

[Sam I Am]

It sucks that the games haven't been starting till 10PM my time. Considering I get up at 5:30am, it makes it very difficult for me to watch those games during the week.

I saw that CJ got roughed up last night, but Murphy and Young (GS) came through big last night.

Tommy Hunter got roughed up his last outing. Hopefully he bounces back and returns to form tonight as we will need it against the Mariners ace Felix Hernandez.

With a 10:05pm EST start time, I won't get to watch much of this one either. :banghead:

[Mike_45]

It sucks that the games haven't been starting till 10PM my time. Considering I get up at 5:30am, it makes it very difficult for me to watch those games during the week.

I saw that CJ got roughed up last night, but Murphy and Young (GS) came through big last night.

Tommy Hunter got roughed up his last outing. Hopefully he bounces back and returns to form tonight as we will need it against the Mariners ace Felix Hernandez.

With a 10:05pm EST start time, I won't get to watch much of this one either. :banghead:

I never thought I would say this, being as how there are 162 games, but now I DVR the late ones in case I am out or falling asleep. :)

[Stautner]

It sucks that the games haven't been starting till 10PM my time. Considering I get up at 5:30am, it makes it very difficult for me to watch those games during the week.

I saw that CJ got roughed up last night, but Murphy and Young (GS) came through big last night.

Tommy Hunter got roughed up his last outing. Hopefully he bounces back and returns to form tonight as we will need it against the Mariners ace Felix Hernandez.

With a 10:05pm EST start time, I won't get to watch much of this one either. :banghead:

They are 9:00 my time and I'm having a hard time with it. I probably wouldn't watch at all if I had to wait the additional hour you do.

I think the pitching will be fine. Hunter and CJ have been too good this year to just suddenly go completely to Hell. And eventually we should scor a few rins for Lee and let him win a few. I'm just glad the hitting finally came to life.

[DFWJC]

I never thought I would say this, being as how there are 162 games, but now I DVR the late ones in case I am out or falling asleep. :)
Me too. There's so much stoppage and the games are so late that the DVR works fine for the away games especially.

[DFWJC]

I am very happy that Ryan won the bid. I think Cuban would have done ok, he would not be afraid to spend the cash. But Ryan is a baseball guy and will continue to do great.
Me too. I'm sure MLB is happy too.
Cuban was fine through all of this and he's grown more disiplined about spending over the years. Once he hit his limit, he stepped aside and tipped his hat to the winners.

The Rangers' future is bright!

[Stautner]

Now, if they can sign Cliff Lee beyond this year I'll be happy.

[Sam I Am]

I never thought I would say this, being as how there are 162 games, but now I DVR the late ones in case I am out or falling asleep. :)

I have MLB.tv so I can re-watch the game at any time. Probably the absolute best thing about MLB.tv though is the condensed games. Once you know the score and if you know nothing real exciting happen, watching the condensed game is good stuff. (good stuff when you want to check it out at work the next morning too!) :laugh2:

As a matter a fact, I will do that now!

[juck]

Cliff lee tonight. We get 2 outta 3 from A's we are completely steamrollin.

[StylisticS]

Cliff lee tonight. We get 2 outta 3 from A's we are completely steamrollin.

We pretty much have to 2 outta 3 from the A's. Because the next couple weeks will be brutal. Against the division we seem to not have an answer to and our nemesis, the Minnesota Twins, who is starting to play good baseball again late in the season, as usual. If we go 10-6 over the next 16 after Oakland, I will be happy.

[T-RO]

Texas Rangers. Lovin' It.

[Heisenberg]

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[Sam I Am]

Yesterday's loss was extremely disappointing. I suspected we wouldn't beat Cahill, but when we went up 2-0 I thought we had a chance.

...I should have known better.

[cowboyeric8]

Murphy is clutch.

Good win against the Yankees.

[Dawgs0916]

Murphy is clutch.

Good win against the Yankees.

Murphy is on that big dog status right now. I LOVE Borbon, I mean I had visions of a 50 steal season. But Murphy is legit right now.

[dback]

What a great win tonight. David Murphy played lights out and is really becoming a solid hitter. Keep fightin' Rangers!!!

[Eldorado]

Great game last night, Rangers fans. They're definitely a team to fight with. The Hamilton hit against Mo was one of the best pieces of hitting I've seen in a long time; the arm strength it takes to drive Mo's cutter in on the hands into the outfield is nothing short of astronomical.

Hopefully the Yankees look better when they put their actual lineup in; no Teixiera, Posada, Cano, and Granderson (plusThames as the DH) is a pretty horrendous starting lineup. But everyone needs a break, i guess.

Good to see AJ pitch well enough.

[theebs]

Great game last night, Rangers fans. They're definitely a team to fight with. The Hamilton hit against Mo was one of the best pieces of hitting I've seen in a long time; the arm strength it takes to drive Mo's cutter in on the hands into the outfield is nothing short of astronomical.

Hopefully the Yankees look better when they put their actual lineup in; no Teixiera, Posada, Cano, and Granderson (plusThames as the DH) is a pretty horrendous starting lineup. But everyone needs a break, i guess.

Good to see AJ pitch well enough.


cano ended up playing, he came into the game during the 4th inning.

and last year I remember when the whole stinking rangers team was injured in the second half and no one cared, no one said anything about it, everyone around the league just said...they suck..its hot and they wil fall apart.

now this year the red sox and yankees have some injuries and everytime anyone mentions them they preface it with a but or they are injured. its annoying!

Last night I felt like the rangers one the game because elvis andrus made a couple of great plays to get big outs and on the flip side jeter couldnt make that same play in the 10th to get young and it started a rally for texas.

Should be fun tonight.

[Eldorado]

cano ended up playing, he came into the game during the 4th inning.

and last year I remember when the whole stinking rangers team was injured in the second half and no one cared, no one said anything about it, everyone around the league just said...they suck..its hot and they wil fall apart.

now this year the red sox and yankees have some injuries and everytime anyone mentions them they preface it with a but or they are injured. its annoying!

Last night I felt like the rangers one the game because elvis andrus made a couple of great plays to get big outs and on the flip side jeter couldnt make that same play in the 10th to get young and it started a rally for texas.

Should be fun tonight.

He came in the 6th, and 3 at bats from a sick Cano is alot different than 5 at bats from a healthy one. Nobody has ever been as injured as this year's REd Sox, so that wsas just a dumb statement to make comparing last years rangers to this years red sox. the yankees are pretty healthy, but tex is with his wife while she's giving birth, and posada/granderson just got the day off yesterday. cano, like I mentioned, had a stomach bug.

[theebs]

He came in the 6th, and 3 at bats from a sick Cano is alot different than 5 at bats from a healthy one. Nobody has ever been as injured as this year's REd Sox, so that wsas just a dumb statement to make comparing last years rangers to this years red sox. the yankees are pretty healthy, but tex is with his wife while she's giving birth, and posada/granderson just got the day off yesterday. cano, like I mentioned, had a stomach bug.


Do you know how many injuries the rangers had last year? They lost their whole team after the break.

and I am not comparing the teams, I am comparing the way it is percieved.

at one point last august, young, hamiliton, kinsler, cruz, salty and murphy were out. and I wont get into the staff which was a mash unit from top to bottom all year.

it just happens. All I am saying is no one broke out the fiddle for the rangers.


oh and yeah I thought cano came in and played defense for some reason in the 4th, I guess it was the 6th.

[Eldorado]

Do you know how many injuries the rangers had last year? They lost their whole team after the break.

and I am not comparing the teams, I am comparing the way it is percieved.

at one point last august, young, hamiliton, kinsler, cruz, salty and murphy were out. and I wont get into the staff which was a mash unit from top to bottom all year.

it just happens. All I am saying is no one broke out the fiddle for the rangers.


oh and yeah I thought cano came in and played defense for some reason in the 4th, I guess it was the 6th.

i'm not using it as an excuse, i gave the rangers their due. it doesn't matter who is playing first base, if you get a win on the greatest closer in the history of baseball it's something to be proud about. i'm just saying tha jeter swisher thames rodriguez kearns looks a crapload worse than jeter swisher tex arod cano. tonight will be a good test for the yankees, likely without tex again and against arguably the best pitcher in the AL.

[theebs]

well of course teams without their players are not the same teams.

but again, I dont remember anyone breaking out the fiddle for the rangers last year.

It was just, the rangers suck as always and its hot so of course they will play bad, which is the dumbest analogy ever.

[jimmy40]

cano ended up playing, he came into the game during the 4th inning.

and last year I remember when the whole stinking rangers team was injured in the second half and no one cared, no one said anything about it, everyone around the league just said...they suck..its hot and they wil fall apart.

now this year the red sox and yankees have some injuries and everytime anyone mentions them they preface it with a but or they are injured. its annoying!

Last night I felt like the rangers one the game because elvis andrus made a couple of great plays to get big outs and on the flip side jeter couldnt make that same play in the 10th to get young and it started a rally for texas.

Should be fun tonight.because missing pieces that have won titles is worth mentioning.

[ABQCOWBOY]

well of course teams without their players are not the same teams.

but again, I dont remember anyone breaking out the fiddle for the rangers last year.

It was just, the rangers suck as always and its hot so of course they will play bad, which is the dumbest analogy ever.


I have a feeling the Yanks and the Rangers will see each other down the road. We'll see which team prevails.

[juck]

Great win. Oakland lost. *** the yankees. I hate yankee fans, how could anyone route for a team that just buys rings?

[Sam I Am]

Last night the Rangers (with the exception of Murphy of course) played poorly. (three errors) Even Washington's defensive plans were piss poor. The poor throws to first base by Elvus. What the hell was that slow rainbow toss to 1st from CJ in the 5th? What was the point of that. If you're going to throw it; throw it. Why throw it slow and on top of that, make it a giant rainbow?!?! That cost the Rangers a run in the end. (Jeter scored)

Washington doesn't seem to know how to defend Cano yet to me it appears obvious. Cano is a very good hitter with power, yet he kept playing him shallow. His hit in the 9th, Washington had Young playing too shallow at 3rd base. (the following double play against Jeter was a thing of beauty!) The hit off the wall Hamilton should have been playing at least at normal depth and he could have caught Cano's ball off the wall. Why was he playing him so freaking shallow?!?!?

Every time I see Elvus get a bunt single, I get all giddy. :laugh2:

Now about Murphy. One thing I've noticed with him. When he gets regular playing time, he is an effective hitter. When he platoons as the 4th outfielder, his offense just vanishes. He just can't seem to get in a groove when he isn't playing full time. Since they've put him back into the lineup giving him consistent playing time, the man has been a one man wrecking crew. Washington either need to play the guy or not. Right now, the man is on freaking fire! Last night he was 2 for 3 with 2 walks, 3 RBIs, a HR, and threw a prefect strike to home plate throwing out Nick Swisher basically saving the game.

If Hamilton is health, IMO, Borbon sits the bench and Hamilton plays center with Nelson in right and Murphy in left. The damage Murphy inflicts with regularly playing time combined with Hamilton's defense at center makes Borbon's offense liability. The one thing that Borbon has is great speed on the bases. Even at that, Borbon has 30 more at bats than Murphy yet only has 2 more stolen bases. (7 vs 9) Murphy also has twice as many walks as Borbon in the same 30 less at bats. (13 vs 26) Murphy does strike out more though. (39 vs 47 again in 30 less at bats) Even with that, Murphy OBP is .033 higher than Borbon. (.300 vs .333)

[theebs]

because missing pieces that have won titles is worth mentioning.


of course. But I dont understand how that lessens losing young, kinsler, cruz, hamilton etc.

Young is as good as anyone on the yankees or rangers so he is equally important.

[theebs]

I have a feeling the Yanks and the Rangers will see each other down the road. We'll see which team prevails.


I dont know. I think the yankees are going to hang onto that divison but I think there is a chance they play tampa.

I am glad they cant play minnesota though. the rangers lineup gets dominated by twins pitching in minnesota every year it seems.

Long way to go. It will be a huge mountain to climb for the rangers to beat ny in the playoffs.

[Alumni2k11]

Great win. Oakland lost. *** the yankees. I hate yankee fans, how could anyone route for a team that just buys rings?

http://a.imageshack.us/img59/4852/arodembracethehate.jpg

[Eldorado]

Great win. Oakland lost. *** the yankees. I hate yankee fans, how could anyone route for a team that just buys rings?
The Yankees used their legacy to sell tickets. They used their tickets to make serious revenue. They used their serious revenue to invest in their own programming station. They used the money from that to make even more money. And, instead of sitting on it, they put the money that they got from the fans BACK into the team. They aren't breaking any rules. They aren't cheating, lyring, or circumventing any governing regulations. They are putting the money they earned back into putting a quality team on the field.

Also:
Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Cano, Mariano, Hughes, Joba, Gardner are all home grown players.
Rodriguez, Swisher, Vazquez, Berkman, and Granderson were all traded for.

Please don't be naive and say that all of the Yankees players were purchased.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I dont know. I think the yankees are going to hang onto that divison but I think there is a chance they play tampa.

I am glad they cant play minnesota though. the rangers lineup gets dominated by twins pitching in minnesota every year it seems.

Long way to go. It will be a huge mountain to climb for the rangers to beat ny in the playoffs.

I see the Yankees and the Rays meeting with the Yankees moving on. I see the Rangers meeting either the Sox or the Twins and the Rangers moving on. I see the Yankees and the Rangers meeting for the American League Pennant.

[Sam I Am]

I see the Yankees and the Rays meeting with the Yankees moving on. I see the Rangers meeting either the Sox or the Twins and the Rangers moving on. I see the Yankees and the Rangers meeting for the American League Pennant.

Two teams in the same division cannot meet in the first round. Therefore the Yankees cannot play the Rays in the first round.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Two teams in the same division cannot meet in the first round. Therefore the Yankees cannot play the Rays in the first round.

Really, I thought the team with the best record played the Wild Card survivor. I didn't realize MLB had this stipulation. Well, that could change things then. I believe the Yankees and the Rays are the top two teams in the American, followed by the Rangers. If the Rangers meet the Rays, that would be a tough draw for the Rangers.

[Sam I Am]

Really, I thought the team with the best record played the Wild Card survivor. I didn't realize MLB had this stipulation. Well, that could change things then. I believe the Yankees and the Rays are the top two teams in the American, followed by the Rangers. If the Rangers meet the Rays, that would be a tough draw for the Rangers.

Here are the specific rules.

Division Series (ALDS and NLDS)The first round is the Division Series, which is a best-of-five series that matches up the top four teams in each league. The team with the best overall record gets the top seed and home-field advantage in the playoffs. It hosts Games 1, 2 and 5 in the Division Series round. The team with the second-best record will hosts Games 1, 2 and 5 in its series.

Typically the wild-card team plays the team with the best overall record. But if those teams are in the same division, then the wild-card team will face the team with the second-best record.

League Championship Series (ALCS and NLCS)The winners of the Division Series then advance to the best-of-seven American League and National League Championship Series. The team with the best record of the remaining teams will have home-field advantage. In the event that the wild-card team has the better record than the other qualifying team that is a division champion, the division champion still gets the advantage and hosts Games 1, 2, 6 and 7.

World SeriesThe winners of the ALCS and NLCS advance to the World Series. Home-field advantage in the World Series is determined by the winning league in the All-Star Game.

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In any case, I think it's going to be tough on the Rangers no matter who they draw. I think it's like Jeter said a while back. The best teams make it to the playoffs, the hottest team is the team who wins it.

[theebs]

Really, I thought the team with the best record played the Wild Card survivor. I didn't realize MLB had this stipulation. Well, that could change things then. I believe the Yankees and the Rays are the top two teams in the American, followed by the Rangers. If the Rangers meet the Rays, that would be a tough draw for the Rangers.

yep the rays and yanks cant play.

[Stautner]

Big win for the Rangers last night. They needed it because momentum was starting to slip a little. They still didn't play a great game last night, but it was the kind of exciting win that can kick start things again. It was huge that they won it off Rivera.

[Eldorado]

Really, I thought the team with the best record played the Wild Card survivor. I didn't realize MLB had this stipulation. Well, that could change things then. I believe the Yankees and the Rays are the top two teams in the American, followed by the Rangers. If the Rangers meet the Rays, that would be a tough draw for the Rangers.
That's why I was saying earlier (before a bunch of people killed me for it), regardless of how good the Rangers have gotten, their road to the Fall Classic is probably one of the most difficult in the history of the sport should they advance that far.

When was the last time the two best teams in baseball were in the same division? Furthermore, when was the last time a team beat BOTH of the 2 best teams in baseball just to MAKE it to the WS?

[juck]

The Yankees used their legacy to sell tickets. They used their tickets to make serious revenue. They used their serious revenue to invest in their own programming station. They used the money from that to make even more money. And, instead of sitting on it, they put the money that they got from the fans BACK into the team. They aren't breaking any rules. They aren't cheating, lyring, or circumventing any governing regulations. They are putting the money they earned back into putting a quality team on the field.

Also:
Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Cano, Mariano, Hughes, Joba, Gardner are all home grown players.
Rodriguez, Swisher, Vazquez, Berkman, and Granderson were all traded for.

Please don't be naive and say that all of the Yankees players were purchased.
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[juck]

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[Eldorado]

Not only are you clever, but you're original! It's a wonder how half of the board thinks your an idiot and a third of the board has you on ignore. I look forward to your next "I can't have a logical sports argument so I'll post a 4 year old picture" post.

[Alumni2k11]

The Yankees used their legacy to sell tickets. They used their tickets to make serious revenue. They used their serious revenue to invest in their own programming station. They used the money from that to make even more money. And, instead of sitting on it, they put the money that they got from the fans BACK into the team. They aren't breaking any rules. They aren't cheating, lyring, or circumventing any governing regulations. They are putting the money they earned back into putting a quality team on the field.

Also:
Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Cano, Mariano, Hughes, Joba, Gardner are all home grown players.
Rodriguez, Swisher, Vazquez, Berkman, and Granderson were all traded for.

Please don't be naive and say that all of the Yankees players were purchased.

:hammer:

[juck]

Not only are you clever, but you're original! It's a wonder how half of the board thinks your an idiot and a third of the board has you on ignore. I look forward to your next "I can't have a logical sports argument so I'll post a 4 year old picture" post.
U know what u can do.....

[Alumni2k11]

Good come back tonight by the Yanks. I'll be glad to Teixeira back.

[juck]

That was a tough one. Screw the Yankees. They aint even gonna win their division. Rays are better and Sox on their heels. I cant believe Elvis got a triple and was there with no outs and didnt get in. AHR WYVUYWG UWYSGUW that sucks.BTW their is nothing worse then Cowboys fans who are Yankee fans because its obvious u root for the popular teams.I dont root for the Cowboys cause they are popular and americas team. I root cause I am born their and just love my Texas teams.Always have always will,Go Mavs,Go rangers, Go Cowboys,Go Longhorns,Go Northstars.I despise New York teams.

[tico]

That was a tough one. Screw the Yankees. They aint even gonna win their division. Rays are better and Sox on their heels. I cant believe Elvis got a triple and was there with no outs and didnt get in. AHR WYVUYWG UWYSGUW that sucks.BTW their is nothing worse then Cowboys fans who are Yankee fans because its obvious u root for the popular teams.I dont root for the Cowboys cause they are popular and americas team. I root cause I am born their and just love my Texas teams.Always have always will,Go Mavs,Go rangers, Go Cowboys,Go Longhorns,Go Northstars.I despise New York teams.
you can't believe he didn't score against MO? & you know baseball?
Go Yankees Go Cowboys..
Boys & Yanks fan since late 80's trust me not the best years for either team..anything else?

[tico]

Great win. Oakland lost. *** the yankees. I hate yankee fans, how could anyone route for a team that just buys rings?
You are a true idiot really,The Cowboys didn't buy rings along with draft picks in 92,93,95?
Cowboys are the Football version of the Yankees you dope!

[StanleySpadowski]

That's why I was saying earlier (before a bunch of people killed me for it), regardless of how good the Rangers have gotten, their road to the Fall Classic is probably one of the most difficult in the history of the sport should they advance that far.

When was the last time the two best teams in baseball were in the same division? Furthermore, when was the last time a team beat BOTH of the 2 best teams in baseball just to MAKE it to the WS?

The best two teams are almost always from the AL East.


It looks like the easiest path will be to play the Yankees first. They see so many pitches as a team that 5 games would be easier than 7 games on the bullpen.

[Sam I Am]

Rangers played terrible in both games against the Yankees.

Nelson should have caught both of those deep balls last night. (one in the corner, and the other one near Hamilton) He looked like he was scared of running into the wall on both. Thats one thing I give Hamilton, he doesn't fear the wall, but then again he needs to be a bit more aware of it too since he always gets injured smacking into it.

I hate when players act like wussies.

Frank needs to work with Lee. His consistency sucks something fierce. When he sucks, he sucks for several games in a row.

When Neftali came in and his second pitch almost went to the backstop, I knew this wasn't going to be good.

[juck]

You are a true idiot really,The Cowboys didn't buy rings along with draft picks in 92,93,95?
Cowboys are the Football version of the Yankees you dope!
Typical Yankees fan.

[laythewood28]

That was a tough one. Screw the Yankees. They aint even gonna win their division. Rays are better and Sox on their heels. I cant believe Elvis got a triple and was there with no outs and didnt get in. AHR WYVUYWG UWYSGUW that sucks.BTW their is nothing worse then Cowboys fans who are Yankee fans because its obvious u root for the popular teams.I dont root for the Cowboys cause they are popular and americas team. I root cause I am born their and just love my Texas teams.Always have always will,Go Mavs,Go rangers, Go Cowboys,Go Longhorns,Go Northstars.I despise New York teams.

Regardless if the Yankees take the wildcard or the division they are still better than the Rangers.:D I was born a Yankee fan, I had no choice. My family and most of my friends were Yankee fans. At the time I started understanding the game all you would see was Yankee hats and jerseys. Red Sox nation hadn't started until 2000-2001. Living in CT you choose one or the other.

Anyway see you in the playoffs. :nana:

[Sam I Am]

This thread is about how well the Rangers are doing. Why are we arguing who is better the Rangers or the Yankees. If you're a Yankee (or Rangers) fan and just want to argue that point, start a thread about it.

Personally, it doesn't matter until it matters. In the playoffs providing both teams make the playoffs. If the Redsox get hot and the Rays stay hot, the Yankees could get left out. Of course if the Rangers go frosty cold, they could too.

As a parting shot at the Yankees; if you slapped a salary cap in baseball, the Yankees would turn into the Cubs. Why? Can't have Tex, ($20M/yr) CC, ($23M/yr) A-Rod, ($32M/yr) Burrnett, ($16.5M/yr) Jeter, ($21M/yr) Rivera, ($15M/yr) Pettitte, ($11.75M/yr) Cano, ($11M/yr), Vazquez, ($11.5M/yr) Posada, ($13.1M/yr) Swisher, $6.75M/yr) Granderson, ($5.5M/yr) and Berkman ($14.5M/yr) on the same team and still be in any type of salary cap range. At times the Yankees have troubles even with a $200+ million dollar payroll. What was it, 2008 they failed to make the playoffs with a $200M+ payroll?

* Most salaries obtained from bizofbaseball.com (http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4041:initial-2010-salary-allocation-new-york-yankees&catid=66:free-agency-and-trades&Itemid=153)

[MaverickPS]

there's a moron on here who's a Cowboys, Lakers, AND Yankees fan

I think his name is Bleu Star or something

truly a bandwagonner of the utmost degree and it's sickening

[laythewood28]

there's a moron on here who's a Cowboys, Lakers, AND Yankees fan

I think his name is Bleu Star or something

truly a bandwagonner of the utmost degree and it's sickening

So being a Lakers, Cowboys and Yankees makes you a bandwagonner as you put it? I dont know the reason for Bleu star being a fan of those teams, but I also root for those teams I dont consider myself a bandwagon.

Dallas Cowboys-became a fan around the forth grade after seeing Emmitt run. Didn't really know what was going on at the time but football really seemed interesting so I started watching. The blue uniform caught my attention and blue being my favorite colorat the time why not. Also received my first starter jacket with the big cowboy logo that made me excited.

Lakers-Didn't really have a team until 1996. I hated watching Jordan and the Bulls win it every year. I was more of an Olajuwon and Magic fan but didn't root for either team until Kobe showed up. Been a Laker fan ever since.

Dallas Cowboys-In CT, you root for the Yankees or Red Sox. Old men usually rooted for the Sox (Until early 2000's)while the younger generation rooted for the Yankees. The Mets were and still considered the little brothers of the Yankees. My family were all Yankee fans.

So how am I Consdered a bandwagon?

[Sam I Am]

In CT, you root for the Yankees or Red Sox. Old men usually rooted for the Sox (Until early 2000's)while the younger generation rooted for the Yankees. The Mets were and still considered the little brothers of the Yankees. My family were all Yankee fans.



I live in Connecticut and I don't root for either of those god awful teams! :laugh2:

EDIT: As for rooting for the Lakers, Cowboys, Yankees, and Redwings isn't exactly Bandwagoning as much as it would be a "front running". You know, only fans of the front running teams.

[laythewood28]

I live in Connecticut and I don't root for either of those god awful teams! :laugh2:

Texas fan? how did that come about?

[Sam I Am]

Texas fan? how did that come about?

I'm from Texas, I relocated to NY, and now CT though I still work in Lower Manhattan. :)

[laythewood28]

I'm from Texas, I relocated to NY, and now CT though I still work in Lower Manhattan. :)

That explains it. I met a few Braves fans, but never a Rangers fan In CT. :)

[Stautner]

Rangers played terrible in both games against the Yankees.

Nelson should have caught both of those deep balls last night. (one in the corner, and the other one near Hamilton) He looked like he was scared of running into the wall on both. Thats one thing I give Hamilton, he doesn't fear the wall, but then again he needs to be a bit more aware of it too since he always gets injured smacking into it.

I hate when players act like wussies.

Frank needs to work with Lee. His consistency sucks something fierce. When he sucks, he sucks for several games in a row.

When Neftali came in and his second pitch almost went to the backstop, I knew this wasn't going to be good.

Come on, the Rangers won one they should have lost, and the Yankees won one they should have lost. It happens.

As for Lee, to throw at least 8 innings in 10 consecutive games, and to have as many complete games as walks as he did until 2 games ago is about as consisent as it gets. Before last night the last time Lee struggled was his 1st game as a Ranger, so the comment that he sucks for several games makes no sense.

Hell, it doesn't even make sense to say he sucked last night. He gave up 4 runs and struck out 11 without walking a single batter. The 4 runs is a little high for his norm, but it doesn't even remotely qualify as sucking.

[Sam I Am]

Come on, the Rangers won one they should have lost, and the Yankees won one they should have lost. It happens.

As for Lee, to throw at least 8 innings in 10 consecutive games, and to have as many complete games as walks as he did until 2 games ago is about as consisent as it gets. Before last night the last time Lee struggled was his 1st game as a Ranger, so the comment that he sucks for several games makes no sense.

Hell, it doesn't even make sense to say he sucked last night. He gave up 4 runs and struck out 11 without walking a single batter. The 4 runs is a little high for his norm, but it doesn't even remotely qualify as sucking.

I was talking about the Rangers sucked as a team. I wasn't pointing out specific players. For instance, nobody can say David Murphy sucked in either game.

As a team, they didn't play that well.

The first game the Rangers had three errors and Washington made at least two more errors in positional defensive calls.

The Ranger pitching sucked last night overall. Lee pitched pretty well into the 7th then completely fell off the table. Francisco has been **** for several days and as I noted. As soon as I saw Feliz' second pitch I knew he was going to have problems too.

They traded for Molina for his defense and some offense. I must say though, his defense hasn't been that strong. Several passed balls, bad throws, he is obviously slow as **** too.

[Eldorado]

People often question my sports teams. I've just gotten around to absolutely adoring it when they do, because it's more hilarious than it is painful to see an illiterate moron on a message board make absurd comments with nothing to back him up. My dad grew up in Texas. He idolized the Cowboys and like most texans (my turn to stereotype woooohoo!) knew nothing about baseball and didn't care for baseball. I was born in New Jersey. My grandfather from my mom's side, who has lived in the Tri-State area since 1940, was an enormous Yankees fan. He took me to my first, I'd say, 200 baseball games when I was growing up. All Yankees games.

Anything else you wanted answered? Remember ****stain, it's down the road not across the street.

[juck]

People often question my sports teams. I've just gotten around to absolutely adoring it when they do, because it's more hilarious than it is painful to see an illiterate moron on a message board make absurd comments with nothing to back him up. My dad grew up in Texas. He idolized the Cowboys and like most texans (my turn to stereotype woooohoo!) knew nothing about baseball and didn't care for baseball. I was born in New Jersey. My grandfather from my mom's side, who has lived in the Tri-State area since 1940, was an enormous Yankees fan. He took me to my first, I'd say, 200 baseball games when I was growing up. All Yankees games.

Anything else you wanted answered? Remember ****stain, it's down the road not across the street.

:laugh2:

[Stautner]

I was talking about the Rangers sucked as a team. I wasn't pointing out specific players. For instance, nobody can say David Murphy sucked in either game.

As a team, they didn't play that well.

The first game the Rangers had three errors and Washington made at least two more errors in positional defensive calls.

The Ranger pitching sucked last night overall. Lee pitched pretty well into the 7th then completely fell off the table. Francisco has been **** for several days and as I noted. As soon as I saw Feliz' second pitch I knew he was going to have problems too.

They traded for Molina for his defense and some offense. I must say though, his defense hasn't been that strong. Several passed balls, bad throws, he is obviously slow as **** too.


You said the Rangers played terrible for both games, which I would say is pretty much the same as saying they sucked.

And yes, they had some problems in both games. So did the Yankees. Rivera got beat up on in the 1st game, and Vasquez got beat up on in the second game. And there were plays the Yankees could have and should have made, just like there were plays the Rangers could have and should have made.

And yes, Lee struggled in the 7th - it happens. Almost every major league game it happens, and ususally to both starting pitchers. Complete games are far and away the exception rather than the rule, although Lee produces more complete games than almost anyone else. And that still doesn't change the fact that Lee has very easily been one of the most consistent pitchers in baseball this year. If you've really paid attention you would see that Lee's lack of a better record has been lack of run support, and not a problem on his part.

As for Molina, you're right. He is maybe the slowest guy in baseball. I hate seeing him on the basebpaths. But I think veteran leadership and working with a young pitching staff were as much of the reason for getting him as his defense and offense.

The move I think was the worst for the Rangers was the Guzman deal. He's been weak offensively and defensively, and we already have guys on the roster that filled in admirably for Kinsler when he missed time early in the season. The thing that gets me most is twice in the last 3-4 games balls have been hit that Guzman clearly could have either fielded or knocked down with a little extra effort - going to his knees, leaving his feet - it wouldn't have even taken a full layout - but he just gave a cursory swipe at the ball. That kind of half-***** effort doesn't fit with a team that has championship aspirations.

[Sam I Am]

:laugh2:

Stop quoting that guy. I already have him on ignore and you're ruining it.

http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/image001-tm.jpg

[MaverickPS]

People often question my sports teams. I've just gotten around to absolutely adoring it when they do, because it's more hilarious than it is painful to see an illiterate moron on a message board make absurd comments with nothing to back him up. My dad grew up in Texas. He idolized the Cowboys and like most texans (my turn to stereotype woooohoo!) knew nothing about baseball and didn't care for baseball. I was born in New Jersey. My grandfather from my mom's side, who has lived in the Tri-State area since 1940, was an enormous Yankees fan. He took me to my first, I'd say, 200 baseball games when I was growing up. All Yankees games.

Anything else you wanted answered? Remember ****stain, it's down the road not across the street.

your grandfather on your mom's side was a front-running wanker.

[Eldorado]

Stop quoting that guy. I already have him on ignore and you're ruining it.

http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/image001-tm.jpg (http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/image001-tm.jpg)
It takes one to know one.

[Eldorado]

your grandfather on your mom's side was a front-running wanker.
My grandfather on my mom's side also passed away when I was 13. It's still one of the most painful memories of my entire life. Stay classy.

[MaverickPS]

My grandfather on my mom's side also passed away when I was 13. It's still one of the most painful memories of my entire life. Stay classy.

My apologies, Eldorado... didn't even think about that. I'll think before I speak next time. Again, I'm sorry.

[ABQCOWBOY]

This thread is about how well the Rangers are doing. Why are we arguing who is better the Rangers or the Yankees. If you're a Yankee (or Rangers) fan and just want to argue that point, start a thread about it.

Personally, it doesn't matter until it matters. In the playoffs providing both teams make the playoffs. If the Redsox get hot and the Rays stay hot, the Yankees could get left out. Of course if the Rangers go frosty cold, they could too.

As a parting shot at the Yankees; if you slapped a salary cap in baseball, the Yankees would turn into the Cubs. Why? Can't have Tex, ($20M/yr) CC, ($23M/yr) A-Rod, ($32M/yr) Burrnett, ($16.5M/yr) Jeter, ($21M/yr) Rivera, ($15M/yr) Pettitte, ($11.75M/yr) Cano, ($11M/yr), Vazquez, ($11.5M/yr) Posada, ($13.1M/yr) Swisher, $6.75M/yr) Granderson, ($5.5M/yr) and Berkman ($14.5M/yr) on the same team and still be in any type of salary cap range. At times the Yankees have troubles even with a $200+ million dollar payroll. What was it, 2008 they failed to make the playoffs with a $200M+ payroll?

* Most salaries obtained from bizofbaseball.com (http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4041:initial-2010-salary-allocation-new-york-yankees&catid=66:free-agency-and-trades&Itemid=153)

I don't agree with this at all. If their were a salary cap in Baseball, the Yankees would still ink more guys because if you can win in NY, you can make more money on endorsements then you can on a contract.

[ABQCOWBOY]

there's a moron on here who's a Cowboys, Lakers, AND Yankees fan

I think his name is Bleu Star or something

truly a bandwagonner of the utmost degree and it's sickening

I'm a Cowboys, Yankees and Lakers fan. Thank you for the shout out.

[Sam I Am]

I don't agree with this at all. If their were a salary cap in Baseball, the Yankees would still ink more guys because if you can win in NY, you can make more money on endorsements then you can on a contract.

Versus signing with another team that has more room under the salary cap? The only way I see this happening is if the money is close to equal. The second you sign players for $20M+ (or $30M in A-Rod's case) you begin to cripple your ability to sign other big named players.

Look at the cap and what it does in the NFL. It will happen the same way in baseball.

I will tell you this, there wouldn't be any team with 27 world championships if a salary cap had been in place. It just wouldn't be feasible.

[Stautner]

Versus signing with another team that has more room under the salary cap? The only way I see this happening is if the money is close to equal. The second you sign players for $20M+ (or $30M in A-Rod's case) you begin to cripple your ability to sign other big named players.

Look at the cap and what it does in the NFL. It will happen the same way in baseball.

I will tell you this, there wouldn't be any team with 27 world championships if a salary cap had been in place. It just wouldn't be feasible.


There wouls still be a lot because a heck of a lot of the Yankees championships occurred way before there was any thought of a salary cap in any sport.

Neverthless, I agree that they Yankees would not have the same kind of upper hand in the MLB of today if there were a salary cap. ABQCOWBOY may be right that a guy can make more on endorsements as a Yankee, but that's only if the Yankees are winning. With a salary cap the Yankees couldn't compete if they spent too big a chunk of their salary cap limit on just a few players. Also, doesn't NY have a state income tax? Texas doesn't, so the same money in Texas is worth more.

[ABQCOWBOY]

There wouls still be a lot because a heck of a lot of the Yankees championships occurred way before there was any thought of a salary cap in any sport.

Neverthless, I agree that they Yankees would not have the same kind of upper hand in the MLB of today if there were a salary cap. ABQCOWBOY may be right that a guy can make more on endorsements as a Yankee, but that's only if the Yankees are winning. With a salary cap the Yankees couldn't compete if they spent too big a chunk of their salary cap limit on just a few players. Also, doesn't NY have a state income tax? Texas doesn't, so the same money in Texas is worth more.

Your point about taxes is valid. However, if you had a cap, all that would happen is that all player salaries would go down. You can say that the Yankees wouldn't be able to pay as much or sign as many players but every team in the Majors would have the same issues. Right now, the Yankees don't sign every big name. The players, IMO, would still sign with a big market. Even if the Yankees were not winning, players would sign with a big market team like the Yankees because it's not about winning. It's about advertising. Business is still going to use a player to market regardless of how the team might be doing in a major market. If the player is good or having a good year, it doesn't matter if the team is playing well or not. Marketing will still be there for the player because people will still like the guy if he's playing well. They will just view him as the one good player, so to speak. It's only my opinion but I still believe Big Market Teams would still sign more big time players in a capped league.

[Eldorado]

A salary cap would never work in baseball. To have a salary max, you'd need to institute a salary floor. For one; the players union would never agree to such a thing because it will cost players money. In addition, the bulk of the small market teams wouldn't be able to fill their roster up to the salary floor year in and year out. That's just the way the cookie crumbles.

[Sam I Am]

There wouls still be a lot because a heck of a lot of the Yankees championships occurred way before there was any thought of a salary cap in any sport.

Neverthless, I agree that they Yankees would not have the same kind of upper hand in the MLB of today if there were a salary cap. ABQCOWBOY may be right that a guy can make more on endorsements as a Yankee, but that's only if the Yankees are winning. With a salary cap the Yankees couldn't compete if they spent too big a chunk of their salary cap limit on just a few players. Also, doesn't NY have a state income tax? Texas doesn't, so the same money in Texas is worth more.
In the 1920s - 1950s there were a lot less teams to compete with. (16 to be exact) Even then, the Yankees had the most money to spend.

The Yankees traded to get Babe Ruth for $125,000 cash and $300,000 in loans from Boston. Babe Ruth's salary was only $10k!! The Yankees paid 12.5x his salary to get him and then promised another 30x his salary in loans! That would have been like the Yankees giving the Rangers over $300M for A-Rod AND then giving them another $750M in loans! Over a billion dollars for A-Rod.

There is a reason the Yankees have 27 world series titles and it wasn't just luck or developing talent. The Yankees have always had more money than anyone else and took advantage of that by spending more than anyone else.

[ABQCOWBOY]

A salary cap would never work in baseball. To have a salary max, you'd need to institute a salary floor. For one; the players union would never agree to such a thing because it will cost players money. In addition, the bulk of the small market teams wouldn't be able to fill their roster up to the salary floor year in and year out. That's just the way the cookie crumbles.


Ding-ding...

Everybody complains about how the Yankees are able to spend more but nobody complains about how the Yankees revenue share and nobody talks about the fact that other clubs don't spend those shared funds to bring in talent. The Yankees share more revenue then any other team in MLB. The split is designed so that poor teams get a larger share of the splits but the problem is that those teams see advantage is staying at the bottom as opposed to getting better. If they say at the bottom, the continue to get a larger share of the revenue split, while investing little to nothing in order to generate more funds.

You can't have it both ways. If MLB would open their books and allow people to see what they are actually spending on the team, this problem could be settled but they don't because they know they are pocketing those splits.

[Stautner]

Your point about taxes is valid. However, if you had a cap, all that would happen is that all player salaries would go down. You can say that the Yankees wouldn't be able to pay as much or sign as many players but every team in the Majors would have the same issues. Right now, the Yankees don't sign every big name. The players, IMO, would still sign with a big market. Even if the Yankees were not winning, players would sign with a big market team like the Yankees because it's not about winning. It's about advertising. Business is still going to use a player to market regardless of how the team might be doing in a major market. If the player is good or having a good year, it doesn't matter if the team is playing well or not. Marketing will still be there for the player because people will still like the guy if he's playing well. They will just view him as the one good player, so to speak. It's only my opinion but I still believe Big Market Teams would still sign more big time players in a capped league.

This is the thing you aren't considering. With a salary cap every team would have the same issues, whereas right now almost every team has money issues that the Yankees do not have.

Yes there would be some people that would sign with the Yankees over another team if the money were about the same, but with a salary cap the Yankees couldn't just match or surpass other offers with the regularity they do now.

And while the Yankess don't go after every player now, they have the freedom to go after who they decide they want or need. With a salary cap they almost certainly wouldn't have the space to just go get Lance Berkman in the middle of the season, not to mention there will very often be other teams with more cap space to compete with.

[Stautner]

In the 1920s - 1950s there were a lot less teams to compete with. (16 to be exact) Even then, the Yankees had the most money to spend.

The Yankees traded to get Babe Ruth for $125,000 cash and $300,000 in loans from Boston. Babe Ruth's salary was only $10k!! The Yankees paid 12.5x his salary to get him and then promised another 30x his salary in loans! That would have been like the Yankees giving the Rangers over $300M for A-Rod AND then giving them another $750M in loans! Over a billion dollars for A-Rod.

There is a reason the Yankees have 27 world series titles and it wasn't just luck or developing talent. The Yankees have always had more money than anyone else and took advantage of that by spending more than anyone else.

I understand and agree with this. All I'm saying is that it's not really realistic to talk about a salary cap in relation to those teams because they were in an age where such a thing was never conceived of.

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is the thing you aren't considering. With a salary cap every team would have the same issues, whereas right now almost every team has money issues that the Yankees do not have.

Yes there would be some people that would sign with the Yankees over another team if the money were about the same, but with a salary cap the Yankees couldn't just match or surpass other offers with the regularity they do now.

And while the Yankess don't go after every player now, they have the freedom to go after who they decide they want or need. With a salary cap they almost certainly wouldn't have the space to just go get Lance Berkman in the middle of the season, not to mention there will very often be other teams with more cap space to compete with.

We don't know that Stautner because they won't open their books to show us.

The truth of the matter is that the Yankees don't go out and get these players to beat up on the lessor teams in MLB. They already have the talent to do that. They go out and get these players to beat up on the other teams in MLB who are also spending vast amounts of money to get players. If the Yanks didn't sign C.C., the Red Sox would have. My point is that if other teams didn't have the ability to do the same, it's very likely that the Yanks would not expend resources to make these kinds of moves either. The luxury tax imposed on teams who spend lots of money is not trivial. If it could be avoided, it would be.

[Stautner]

We don't know that Stautner because they won't open their books to show us.

The truth of the matter is that the Yankees don't go out and get these players to beat up on the lessor teams in MLB. They already have the talent to do that. They go out and get these players to beat up on the other teams in MLB who are also spending vast amounts of money to get players. If the Yanks didn't sign C.C., the Red Sox would have. My point is that if other teams didn't have the ability to do the same, it's very likely that the Yanks would not expend resources to make these kinds of moves either. The luxury tax imposed on teams who spend lots of money is not trivial. If it could be avoided, it would be.

They don't have to open their books, they have opened their wallets enough that the proof is there.

To me your point doesn't make sense. Of course other teams have resources, but the fact that the Yankees still outbid them means their resources aren't as great. If other teams had the ability to do the same, as you say, they Yankees wouldn't be the ones consistently coming out on top of the bidding.

And they aren't just going after players the Red Sox and others in their division are For example, there was never any indication the Red Sox were going after Berkman. They are competing with the entirety of MLB, and when they truly covet a player they don't get outbid. With a salary cap they would not have the luxury of being able to do that.

[Sam I Am]

We don't know that Stautner because they won't open their books to show us.

The truth of the matter is that the Yankees don't go out and get these players to beat up on the lessor teams in MLB. They already have the talent to do that. They go out and get these players to beat up on the other teams in MLB who are also spending vast amounts of money to get players. If the Yanks didn't sign C.C., the Red Sox would have. My point is that if other teams didn't have the ability to do the same, it's very likely that the Yanks would not expend resources to make these kinds of moves either. The luxury tax imposed on teams who spend lots of money is not trivial. If it could be avoided, it would be.

The idea of a salary cap is two fold. One to limit the ability of teams to stock pile all the top talent due to having more cash than the lessor teams. This is why teams have a draft order. So all teams have a set ability to draft talent available.

Secondly, to prevent spending from getting out of control. In the case of the Yankees and Redsox, it is completely out of control. The proof is in the pudding. If you combine just A-Rod ($32M) and CC's ($23M) salary alone, you get the same exact salary of the entire Texas Rangers ball club to start the season. (was $55M (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/040710dnosporangteam.21f520a62.html))

The Rangers are a first place team too, so while their spending was limited. You can't say they were being like KC or the A's where they just won't spend any money.

The Rangers said their salary total should bump up to about $90M next season. That is a fair sum of money, but not even half what the Yankees spend. Many teams wanted Tex, Burnett, and CC, but the Yankees decided that wasn't going to happen. Next year they will do the same with Cliff Lee.

It's the haves and the have nots. Without a salary cap, baseball is broken.

IMO it's not a question as to if the players will accept it. It's a question how to impose it.

[Stautner]

The idea of a salary cap is two fold. One to limit the ability of teams to stock pile all the top talent due to having more cash than the lessor teams. This is why teams have a draft order. So all teams have a set ability to draft talent available.

Secondly, to prevent spending from getting out of control. In the case of the Yankees and Redsox, it is completely out of control. The proof is in the pudding. If you combine just A-Rod ($32M) and CC's ($23M) salary alone, you get the same exact salary of the entire Texas Rangers ball club to start the season. (was $55M (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/040710dnosporangteam.21f520a62.html))

The Rangers are a first place team too, so while their spending was limited. You can't say they were being like KC or the A's where they just won't spend any money.

The Rangers said their salary total should bump up to about $90M next season. That is a fair sum of money, but not even half what the Yankees spend. Many teams wanted Tex, Burnett, and CC, but the Yankees decided that wasn't going to happen. Next year they will do the same with Cliff Lee.

It's the haves and the have nots. Without a salary cap, baseball is broken.

IMO it's not a question as to if the players will accept it. It's a question how to impose it.

I agree. The guy who said it can't happen in baseball used arguments that would just as easily apply to football, yet football implemented a cap.

[ABQCOWBOY]

They don't have to open their books, they have opened their wallets enough that the proof is there.

To me your point doesn't make sense. Of course other teams have resources, but the fact that the Yankees still outbid them means their resources aren't as great. If other teams had the ability to do the same, as you say, they Yankees wouldn't be the ones consistently coming out on top of the bidding.

And they aren't just going after players the Red Sox and others in their division are For example, there was never any indication the Red Sox were going after Berkman. They are competing with the entirety of MLB, and when they truly covet a player they don't get outbid. With a salary cap they would not have the luxury of being able to do that.

How so?

The Yankees don't consistently come out on top. There are lots of situations in which other teams land players the Yankees want. Do the Yankees have more money then any other team in Baseball? Yes. Do they always have the highest Salary? No. They will always be at the top but they are not always the highest spending franchise in baseball. To say that they have more money and that's why they are better is not an accurate assumption. The last 10 Champs.

2009 Yanks
2008 Phillies
2007 Red Sox
2006 Cards
2005 White Sox
2004 Red Sox
2003 Marlins
2002 Angels
2001 D'Backs
2000 Yanks

As you look at these teams, many of them are not what you would consider High End spenders. IN fact, I would say the majority were not.

[Sam I Am]

How so?

The Yankees don't consistently come out on top. There are lots of situations in which other teams land players the Yankees want. Do the Yankees have more money then any other team in Baseball? Yes. Do they always have the highest Salary? No. They will always be at the top but they are not always the highest spending franchise in baseball. To say that they have more money and that's why they are better is not an accurate assumption. The last 10 Champs.

2009 Yanks - $209,081,577 (highest)
2008 Phillies - $98,269,881 (13th highest)
2007 Red Sox - $143,526,214 (2nd highest)
2006 Cards - $88,891,371 (11th highest)
2005 White Sox $75,178,000 (13th highest)
2004 Red Sox - $130,395,386 (2nd highest)
2003 Marlins - $55,872,106 (20th highest)
2002 Angels - $62,436,618 (16th highest)
2001 D'Backs - $85,126,449 (8th highest)
2000 Yanks - $95,285,187 (highest)

As you look at these teams, many of them are not what you would consider High End spenders. IN fact, I would say the majority were not.

I've added the team salaries and their ranking salary wise in the quote above.

btw, when was the last time the Yankees weren't the top spenders? (they were tops in all the lists I just checked to get the numbers posted above)

As for the Yankees not winning the WS every year, Jeter said it best. The best teams make it to the playoffs, the hottest teams win it. You can have all the best players, but if you are slumping, your chance of winning it all is pretty low.

If you look at that list, all those teams were spending a lot of money. The only team in that 10 year span that wasn't in the top half of money spenders was the Marlins. If you look at the 2003 Marlins roster, there are a lot of big time players there that hadn't landed monster contracts yet.

Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, Carl Pavano, A.J. Burnett, Rick Helling (20 game winner), Dontrelle Willis, Pudge Rodriguez, Luis Castillo, Alex Gonzalez, Derrek Lee, Mike Lowell, Juan Encarnacion, and Juan Pierre. If you would have tried to put that team together a few years after that season, it would have been easily a top salary. They had the quality guys before the demanded hugh salaries.

[Stautner]

How so?

The Yankees don't consistently come out on top. There are lots of situations in which other teams land players the Yankees want. Do the Yankees have more money then any other team in Baseball? Yes. Do they always have the highest Salary? No. They will always be at the top but they are not always the highest spending franchise in baseball. To say that they have more money and that's why they are better is not an accurate assumption. The last 10 Champs.

2009 Yanks
2008 Phillies
2007 Red Sox
2006 Cards
2005 White Sox
2004 Red Sox
2003 Marlins
2002 Angels
2001 D'Backs
2000 Yanks

As you look at these teams, many of them are not what you would consider High End spenders. IN fact, I would say the majority were not.

It's about percentages. Clearly I never said they get every player they want, I sais they spend whatever it takes to get the ones they truly covet. Even the Yankees can't have a $1 billion payroll, and even the Yankees can't exceed the major league roster limit, so even the Yankees have to draw a line somewhere. The point is they Yankee's line is so dramatically higher than everyone else's, and they have so much higher percentage of getting players by outbidding the competition that the playing field isn't even remotely even.

And sure the Yankee don't ALWAYS win it all - they still have to be playing their best at the right time of year, but they have won dramatically more than anyone else. Besides, do we really want a league where the elite players are crammed into a few teams with the most money, or do we want a league where every team, and every fan, feels like they have some chance to compete on a level playing field?

[ABQCOWBOY]

I've added the team salaries and their ranking salary wise in the quote above.

btw, when was the last time the Yankees weren't the top spenders? (they were tops in all the lists I just checked to get the numbers posted above)

As for the Yankees not winning the WS every year, Jeter said it best. The best teams make it to the playoffs, the hottest teams win it. You can have all the best players, but if you are slumping, your chance of winning it all is pretty low.

If you look at that list, all those teams were spending a lot of money. The only team in that 10 year span that wasn't in the top half of money spenders was the Marlins. If you look at the 2003 Marlins roster, there are a lot of big time players there that hadn't landed monster contracts yet.

Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, Carl Pavano, A.J. Burnett, Rick Helling (20 game winner), Dontrelle Willis, Pudge Rodriguez, Luis Castillo, Alex Gonzalez, Derrek Lee, Mike Lowell, Juan Encarnacion, and Juan Pierre. If you would have tried to put that team together a few years after that season, it would have been easily a top salary. They had the quality guys before the demanded hugh salaries.

I don't know the last time NYC. Maybe 98 and Baltimore but I don't know for certain. I don't think Top Half is a good measuring stick but it really doesn't matter. The fact remains that many, many teams will not spend to get players or improve facilities because it's more profitable to stay bad and pull in a larger share of the profit share. It's a difference in approach. You can't villainize the Yankees for investing and turn a blind eye towards those teams who are clearly not investing. If this were the Cowboys, would you say that Jerry would be a bad guy because he spent more to get players then a team like Bidwell's Cards who are notorious for not wanting to spend money to make his team better?

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's about percentages. Clearly I never said they get every player they want, I sais they spend whatever it takes to get the ones they truly covet. Even the Yankees can't have a $1 billion payroll, and even the Yankees can't exceed the major league roster limit, so even the Yankees have to draw a line somewhere. The point is they Yankee's line is so dramatically higher than everyone else's, and they have so much higher percentage of getting players by outbidding the competition that the playing field isn't even remotely even.

And sure the Yankee don't ALWAYS win it all - they still have to be playing their best at the right time of year, but they have won dramatically more than anyone else. Besides, do we really want a league where the elite players are crammed into a few teams with the most money, or do we want a league where every team, and every fan, feels like they have some chance to compete on a level playing field?


They also pay a great deal more of the revenue Share then any other team. I, for one, don't believe there ever will be a level playing field in MLB. The truth of the matter is that when the Yankees win, Baseball as a whole, makes more money. There will always be owners who will pocket the money rather then putting it back into the team, which is what it would take to consistently have a balanced and level league. So long as these two things remain unchanged, you are never going to have a level playing field. It's as simple as that IMO.

[Stautner]

I don't know the last time NYC. Maybe 98 and Baltimore but I don't know for certain. I don't think Top Half is a good measuring stick but it really doesn't matter. The fact remains that many, many teams will not spend to get players or improve facilities because it's more profitable to stay bad and pull in a larger share of the profit share. It's a difference in approach. You can't villainize the Yankees for investing and turn a blind eye towards those teams who are clearly not investing. If this were the Cowboys, would you say that Jerry would be a bad guy because he spent more to get players then a team like Bidwell's Cards who are notorious for not wanting to spend money to make his team better?

I think you are talking about another matter, that I agree is also a problem. There are teams that are just not going to spend, and that is also bad for baseball.

Nevertheless, I actually think they might spend more with a salary cap because at least then they know they have a cut off point, and they have a limit that fans will expect them to at least get close to. It's one thing for a team to use the excuse that they can't compete with the bigger market teams who seem to have almost unlimited funds to work with, but if there were a cap and the teams still refused to compete fans would turn their backs on them.

But the thing is that when Jerry spends money he is subject to the same limit Bidwell is. There can be no complaint that Bidwell didn't have the same opportunity. You can't force teams to spend, but you can make sure teams all have the same playing field to compete on.

They also pay a great deal more of the revenue Share then any other team. I, for one, don't believe there ever will be a level playing field in MLB. The truth of the matter is that when the Yankees win, Baseball as a whole, makes more money. There will always be owners who will pocket the money rather then putting it back into the team, which is what it would take to consistently have a balanced and level league. So long as these two things remain unchanged, you are never going to have a level playing field. It's as simple as that IMO.

I agree that there will never be a completely level playing field. A salary cap doesn't make ALL factors equal, just one of the biggest ones. Like you said, there will always be some edge to the Yankees based on the opportunity to supplement the baseball salary with income opportunities that go with being a high profile player on a high profile team in a high profile city. I have no problem with that. MLB can't control everything, and shouldn't. Outside income opportunities are not something baseball should concern itself with unless it is something that puts the game in a bad light.

The argument that when the Yankees win baseball makes more money is a bad one. That almost seems to suggest that MLB should make sure to help the Yankees win in order to make more money. MLB does get a boost from the nationwide following the Yankees have, no doubt, just like the NFL does with the Cowboys, but success of the league still depends on every team, and every set of fans feeling there is a reason to have hope and maintain an interest in their team.

[Heisenberg]

Nelson Cruz!

:D

[dback]

What a fantastic win for the Rangers. Way to recover from the Yankee loss. This is what good teams do in the latter half of the season. Great freaking win.

[Alumni2k11]

What a fantastic win for the Rangers. Way to recover from the Yankee loss. This is what good teams do in the latter half of the season. Great freaking win.

I'm always a fan of a Boston loss.

[Sam I Am]

What a fantastic win for the Rangers. Way to recover from the Yankee loss. This is what good teams do in the latter half of the season. Great freaking win.

That was just an extremely crazy game. It sucks that Tommy has gone from ace quality starter to handing out HRs like it was a fire sale.

[Heisenberg]

That was just an extremely crazy game. It sucks that Tommy has gone from ace quality starter to handing out HRs like it was a fire sale.

I'm guessing it's a control issue. He's never had overpowering stuff and he always throws strikes. If he can't get his control back, it's like batting practice.

[Heisenberg]

More good news for Rangers fans:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/texas-rangers/post/_/id/4852410/lower-prices-for-parking-food-and-merchandise

Friday, August 13, 2010
First order: New owners slash prices

By ESPNDallas.com

The new Chuck Greenberg-Nolan Ryan ownership group hit the ground running Friday, announcing new pricing and in-game initiatives at Rangers Ballpark in Arlington for the remainder of this season.

Among the changes:

* The price of cash parking will be reduced from $12 to $10, beginning tonight. Cash parking will remain $5 on all Fireworks Fridays (except tonight and Sept. 10).

* Reduced concession prices: Jumbo Hot Dog (drops from $4.50 to $4); 24-ounce soda cup ($4.75 to $4); 32-ounce souvenir soda cup ($5.75 to $5); 20-ounce bottled soda ($4.50 to $3.75); 22-ounce souvenir beer cup ($7.75 to $7); 16-ounce vended bottle beer ($7 to $6); hot chocolate ($3 to $1).

* Reduced merchandise prices: Rangers Adult T-Shirt ($11 to $10); Youth T-Shirt ($9 to $8); Adult Adjustable Cap ($12 to $9); Youth Adjustable Cap ($10 to $8); Souvenir Baseball ($6 to $5).

* Cap Exchange Program: Fans can also receive a 20 percent discount ($35 to $28) off the regular price of an authentic Rangers blue or red cap by bringing an authentic cap in any condition of any other major league team.

* Enhanced fan experience: T-shirts being thrown into the stands on all levels of Rangers Ballpark, adding ball and strike counts to concourse monitors, reinstituting radio play-by-play sound on the concourses, and new elements on the scoreboards, video boards, and in the seating bowl.

"On behalf of Nolan Ryan and our entire group, I want to say how proud we are to assume the ownership of the Texas Rangers," Greenberg said. "This franchise belongs to our fans, and we wanted to show our appreciation for their loyalty and support by implementing these initiatives immediately.

"We are committed to providing the ultimate fan experience, and we welcome the input of our fans on how to do this. Today is just the beginning of that process."

Greenberg and Ryan will participate in a special first pitch ceremony prior to Saturday night’s game with the Red Sox.

[Little_Roloff]

Wow that's fantastic. The Angels owner made a big splash by reducing the price of beer when he first took over and it actually got more fans in the park.

I'm glad the ownership situation is all cleared up and people can just enjoy the baseball.

[DallasGirl50]

Great win Rangers!

[jimmy40]

hot chocolate???

[T-RO]

That was just an extremely crazy game. It sucks that Tommy has gone from ace quality starter to handing out HRs like it was a fire sale.

Hunter was sick. And not just a little sick...

Throwing up during the game.

[Rampage]

go Redsox even though we're (probably) not gonna make the playoffs. you guys better beat the NY overpaid babies and there billion dollar payroll in October.

[juck]

8.5 up again Yahooooo!!!!!

[Alumni2k11]

Another awesome win for Texas today. :-)

[Sam I Am]

Another awesome win for Texas today. :-)

Boooya! I agree. I need both a claw and a deer antler shirt!

[Sam I Am]

OK, I'm no longer sold on the Cantu pickup. The guy is a liability defensively and hasn't exactly been lighting it up offensively either.

I would much rather have Moreland in the game. The guy looks so calm cool and collected at the plate. His demeanor at the plate and swing reminds me so much of Raphael Palmerio.

Last nights complete collapse by the *new* (Cantu) and young (Boggs and Arias) players on the Rangers was so painful to watch, I had to turn it off when it became 5-4.

[Stautner]

OK, I'm no longer sold on the Cantu pickup. The guy is a liability defensively and hasn't exactly been lighting it up offensively either.

I would much rather have Moreland in the game. The guy looks so calm cool and collected at the plate. His demeanor at the plate and swing reminds me so much of Raphael Palmerio.

Last nights complete collapse by the *new* (Cantu) and young (Boggs and Arias) players on the Rangers was so painful to watch, I had to turn it off when it became 5-4.

That was an ugly loss. The game was in their grasp and they let it go. If they want to be a championship team they can't let those things happen.

The biggest thing though has been how anemic the offense has been the last month. They are struggling to score runs, and even when they do it's often like last night where they score most in 1 inning and don't do much the rest of the game.

[juck]

dealing with injuries,and getting crushed hurts but Angels lost again still 8 up.If we can play 500 ball next few weeks we should be fine. baltimore coming up next.

[Sam I Am]

dealing with injuries,and getting crushed hurts but Angels lost again still 8 up.If we can play 500 ball next few weeks we should be fine. baltimore coming up next.

I was late getting home from the gym last night. I checked the score on my phone and saw we were down 5-0 and I didn't even attempt to watch it. I was already extremely tired. I just went straight to bed.

[DallasCowpoke]

I was late getting home from the gym last night. I checked the score on my phone and saw we were down 5-0 and I didn't even attempt to watch it. I was already extremely tired. I just went straight to bed.

You meant to put this on your Twitter account, right?

:muttley:

[Sam I Am]

You meant to put this on your Twitter account, right?

:muttley:

Twitter is something I still can't figure out why people like it. I can't imagine posting that I'm watching some TV show or taking a leak, much less do I want to know if someone else is doing that.

As I like to tell my wife. Twitter is for twits. :laugh2:

[DallasCowpoke]

Twitter is something I still can't figure out why people like it. I can't imagine posting that I'm watching some TV show or taking a leak, much less do I want to know if someone else is doing that.

Ummm??

I was late getting home from the gym last night. I checked the score on my phone and saw we were down 5-0 and I didn't even attempt to watch it. I was already extremely tired. I just went straight to bed.

:muttley:

[Sam I Am]

Ummm??



:muttley:

Touché! :laugh2:

[Stautner]

s I N K I N G

[Sam I Am]

s I N K I N G

FIRE RON WASHINGTON! :laugh2:

[juck]

Real fans stand up please

[Stautner]

Real fans stand up please

I am a real fan and have been a long time. I'm just starting to get a bad feeling. If everyone could get healthy that would help a lot, but for now we are maintaining a lead based more on the competition sucking than on our success.

[dback]

Giving up these big innings have been killer. Two of the three games against TB were winnable if not for big innings. I see it as a normal slump. There is no reason to panic and overpitch our starters. We have a nice set relievers that can do the job.

As for hitting, it definitely slowed down over the last few weeks, but will be ok. We have good hitters on this team and they will find their second winds, respectively.

Go Rangers!!!

[juck]

Got one back today,and Oak is about to lose now if Halos lose we are back to 8 up while rest of team heals.

[theebs]

Just blew the no hitter with one out in the 9th...just out of the reach of elvis glove.

bummer

[juck]

O well a one hitter u cant complain and most important another W. Halos down 4-0.

[Sam I Am]

O well a one hitter u cant complain and most important another W. Halos down 4-0.

Wanna bet! :laugh2:

[theebs]

Wanna bet! :laugh2:

nothing to complain about from last nights game thats for sure.

The only subtle complaint could be that felix gave up the hit while being up 0-2 in the count.

[Sam I Am]

nothing to complain about from last nights game thats for sure.

The only subtle complaint could be that felix gave up the hit while being up 0-2 in the count.

Actually, you've got to give Mauer credit for getting that hit. The pitch wasn't even a strike; it was high and outside. He chased it and was able to put it in play. That wasn't a mistake on Felix part. It was a good pitch that he got Mauer to chase. Mauer is just that good of a hitter. If anyone was going to break it up, I would have expected it to be Mauer.

[Stautner]

Actually, you've got to give Mauer credit for getting that hit. The pitch wasn't even a strike; it was high and outside. He chased it and was able to put it in play. That wasn't a mistake on Felix part. It was a good pitch that he got Mauer to chase. Mauer is just that good of a hitter. If anyone was going to break it up, I would have expected it to be Mauer.


I'm not going to complain too much, and you are right that it wasn't a strike and was good hitting on Mauer's part, but it was way too hittable for the situation. With an 0-2 count the pitch should have been in Mauer's eyes or in the dirt, and the fact that he was protecting a no-hitter should have made that even more obvious. I also noticed that while he had been popping the glove at 98-99 mph, that pitch was clocked at 95.

[juck]

bang 3 wins in a row n ian and nellie on way back

[juck]

R i s i n g

[Sam I Am]

When Lewis had a man on first and third with no outs and then giving up a double off the wall and have 2nd and 3rd with no outs and the game tied. I was pretty worried about them letting it slip away at that point. The Twins are a good team that is quite resilient and Carl Pavano has been pitching great all year. Tie that in with the offensive struggles the Rangers have been having and Nelly and Ian out. I wasn't sure they were going to hang on and win it.

It was great to see them do it. Winning games like last nights is extremely important when the playoffs arrive. It gives them confidence today that they can bang out a win in a close game against a seasoned veteran playoff team.

Now, is it me or does Carl Pavano look like a throw back 70s / early 80s pitcher with that mustache? Very Dennis Eckersley. :laugh2:

[Stautner]

R i s i n g

Inching up - still not winning in convincing fashion, and still not getting the starting pitchers enough run support for the win, but things are looking better. Minnesota is no slouch. It was huge to see Hardin throw so well Monday. With him pitching well the starting rotation is very good from top to bottom.

[Sam I Am]

Inching up - still not winning in convincing fashion, and still not getting the starting pitchers enough run support for the win, but things are looking better. Minnesota is no slouch. It was huge to see Hardin throw so well Monday. With him pitching well the starting rotation is very good from top to bottom.

Harden's game was weird. He didn't give up a hit, but he was definitely having control issues. He had trouble throwing it over the plate, but when it was over the plate, it was hardly ever over the meat of the plate. The times it was, I think the Twins where just straight up taking the pitch. (like when being up 3-0 in the count)

[casmith07]

Rangers aren't built for the postseason.

[Sam I Am]

Rangers aren't built for the postseason.

Explain.

What exactly do you consider built for the post season?

Pitching and defense wins in the post season. Pitching and defense the Rangers have. The Rangers are in an offensive slump right now, but they are one of the better hitting teams too.

In the past when the Rangers were only about offense, I would have agreed with you. That isn't the case now.

[juck]

Rangers aren't built for the postseason.
yes they are.

[juck]

Hambone and Vladdy do it again!!! 4 in a row.

[theebs]

Rangers aren't built for the postseason.


uhh what?

great on the bases, good defense, good bullpen a pretty good trio of 1-3 starters to take the mound in a series.

I must have been watching a different team all year. I have always been under the impression playing good defense, having an ace and a good bullpen that can matchup lefty or righty is a good thing.

[Sam I Am]

The Rangers aren't built for not going to the World Series. :p:

We can sweep tonight! :) Lets hope Cliff gets some run support tonight, but it will be tough against Liriano.

[juck]

uhh what?

great on the bases, good defense, good bullpen a pretty good trio of 1-3 starters to take the mound in a series.

I must have been watching a different team all year. I have always been under the impression playing good defense, having an ace and a good bullpen that can matchup lefty or righty is a good thing.

Casmith is probably a Yank fan lol

[Sam I Am]

Casmith is probably a Yank fan lol

Thats what I was thinking. It seems several of the Stankee fans around here are very hostile towards the Rangers right now. I suppose they are scared. ;) :laugh2:

[juck]

Thats what I was thinking. It seems several of the Stankee fans around here are very hostile towards the Rangers right now. I suppose they are scared. ;) :laugh2:
Yes I noticed that. Ever notice a lot of them are kids too? lol

[theebs]

I was reading and watching the twins beatwriter on their newspaper site this morning.

He was wondering who are all these guys in the bullpen. He made a comment that the twins pr guy said the rangers bullpen wasnt good and then he turns and says who is this olgando guy and this o'day with his crazy delivery!

The bullpen is pretty nifty here.

[Sam I Am]

I was reading and watching the twins beatwriter on their newspaper site this morning.

He was wondering who are all these guys in the bullpen. He made a comment that the twins pr guy said the rangers bullpen wasnt good and then he turns and says who is this olgando guy and this o'day with his crazy delivery!

The bullpen is pretty nifty here.

Yeah, they suck even though they are one of the best bullpens in the entire league (http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/4260/tmi-power-poll-best-bullpens-in-mlb). :rolleyes: I love when idiots talk out of their ***. :laugh2:

While the Rangers starting pitching has been awesome, the bullpen has been even better.

[Stautner]

Rangers aren't built for the postseason.

I have to chime in like others and ask you to explain. Right now this is just an empty comment. I started to say empty "thought", but for now we have no indication there was any thought put into it.

The team has a top starting rotation, and if Hardin is now healthy and can pitch like he did last game it is strong 1-5.

We have stong set up men in the bullpen and one of the top closers in baseball.

We hit for average and power and have good speed on the bases.

We have speed and strong arms (except when Borbon plays) in the outfield, and a stong defense in the INF as well.

We have star players (Hamilton, Young, Cruz, Lee, Guerrero) that can carry the team at times.

The only thing lacking is a little more playoff experience, but guys like Lee, Molina and Guerrero help with that.

The Rangers aren't built for not going to the World Series. :p:

We can sweep tonight! :) Lets hope Cliff gets some run support tonight, but it will be tough against Liriano.

I hope so. Lee's had a few slips, but overall has been truly dominant with Texas, but no run support. It's good to see us getting back to pulling out the tight games.

[Sam I Am]

I hope so. Lee's had a few slips, but overall has been truly dominant with Texas, but no run support. It's good to see us getting back to pulling out the tight games.

I did notice that Lee's ERA is slowly rising. He is at 4.18. Not quite a Rangers ERA from the days of yore, but not horrible either. You expect a little better from Lee though.

[Stautner]

I did notice that Lee's ERA is slowly rising. He is at 4.18. Not quite a Rangers ERA from the days of yore, but not horrible either. You expect a little better from Lee though.

That last game hurt, but keep in mind that his season ERA is only 3.09. the 4.18 is just in the American League, and since his time in the AL is limited one poor game affects the ERA more than it otherwise would at this point in the season.

[Sam I Am]

That last game hurt, but keep in mind that his season ERA is only 3.09. the 4.18 is just in the American League, and since his time in the AL is limited one poor game affects the ERA more than it otherwise would at this point in the season.

So did last nights.

His control isn't quite as pin-point as it was. He is throwing stuff over the middle of the plate or just missing the plate all together.

Now, he still has great control compared to a lot of pitchers. Personally, I think this his pitches aren't all that dominate overall. (the 90+ FB is OKAY, his curve ball is nice) What makes him great is the pin-point accuracy. (not walking hitters, and not allowing them to put the sweet part of the bat on the ball) That is where his issues of late have been coming in. His inability to always paint the corners as he has been doing the last couple of years.

I didn't get to see last nights game, but I saw the condensed version of it this morning. Looking at the final stats, he threw about 65% strikes which is decent overall but an abnormally low percentage for him. I saw during the game at one point he was close to 50/50 in strike to pitch count ratio. (something like 71/38, not sure would have to go back and watch the video again) He must have started throwing more strikes later in his appearance. It's obvious he didn't pitch great when he threw 97 pitches and only completed five innings.

[Stautner]

So did last nights.

His control isn't quite as pin-point as it was. He is throwing stuff over the middle of the plate or just missing the plate all together.

Now, he still has great control compared to a lot of pitchers. Personally, I think this his pitches aren't all that dominate overall. (the 90+ FB is OKAY, his curve ball is nice) What makes him great is the pin-point accuracy. (not walking hitters, and not allowing them to put the sweet part of the bat on the ball) That is where his issues of late have been coming in. His inability to always paint the corners as he has been doing the last couple of years.

I didn't get to see last nights game, but I saw the condensed version of it this morning. Looking at the final stats, he threw about 65% strikes which is decent overall but an abnormally low percentage for him. I saw during the game at one point he was close to 50/50 in strike to pitch count ratio. (something like 71/38, not sure would have to go back and watch the video again) He must have started throwing more strikes later in his appearance. It's obvious he didn't pitch great when he threw 97 pitches and only completed five innings.

I missed last night's game too, but apparently he did struggle some. I hate to see that twice in a row. One is a fluke, but two in a row makes him seem a little more vulnerable.

I agree with you about the source of his success. Hitting the corners and keeping hitters guessing is his primary talent, and if he is leaving too many pitches over the heart of the plate he isn't going to be as good.

[juck]

Cliff better get his mojo back. I have confidence he will.
Vladdy is back.

[Stautner]

Cliff better get his mojo back. I have confidence he will.
Vladdy is back.

He will, Even the best pitchers have less than stellar games. Vlad is looking better, as is Rich Hardin, Cruz will be back Monday, and Kinsler will be back maybe later next week. We've maintained our lead even while struggling a bit, so things should be looking good with everyone getting healty again.

[juck]

Nellie back tonight. Gotta beat the lowly Royals. Oakland gotta play Yanks. We gotta get a few games back from oak. A's wont go away.

[StanleySpadowski]

Thats what I was thinking. It seems several of the Stankee fans around here are very hostile towards the Rangers right now. I suppose they are scared. ;) :laugh2:

Why would the Yankees be scared of the Rangers? Is it that mighty 14-23 record against the East?

Somebody has to win the Central and West, which is unfortunate because the best 4 teams in the AL all sit in the East. Put Toronto or Boston in another division and they'd already be selling playoff tickets.

[juck]

Why would the Yankees be scared of the Rangers? Is it that mighty 14-23 record against the East?

Somebody has to win the Central and West, which is unfortunate because the best 4 teams in the AL all sit in the East. Put Toronto or Boston in another division and they'd already be selling playoff tickets.


U may be surprised son.

[Heisenberg]

Nellie back tonight. Gotta beat the lowly Royals. Oakland gotta play Yanks. We gotta get a few games back from oak. A's wont go away.

And we're back to 8.5 games up.

[Sam I Am]

Rangers have to get these offensive issues taken care of, but man is CJ dominate or what. Another shutout last night.

[juck]

Magic number=24.

[jimmy40]

ATLANTA (AP) - New York Mets outfielder Jeff Francoeur says he's been traded to the Texas Rangers.

The AL West-leading Rangers have been looking for a right-handed
hitter to come off the bench for the final month of the season and
their expected postseason appearance. The deal had to be completed
by Tuesday night in order for Francoeur to be eligible for the
playoff roster.

The teams have yet to officially announce the trade, but the
strong-armed Francoeur said after a 9-2 loss to Atlanta that he's
headed to the Rangers. He says he excited about the chance to be on
a playoff team.

[Bob Sacamano]

Dang, what happened to Francoeur?

[juck]

Well that sucked. Cliff Lee sucked again. But the magic number is 23. A's lost.

[Stautner]

ATLANTA (AP) - New York Mets outfielder Jeff Francoeur says he's been traded to the Texas Rangers.

The AL West-leading Rangers have been looking for a right-handed
hitter to come off the bench for the final month of the season and
their expected postseason appearance. The deal had to be completed
by Tuesday night in order for Francoeur to be eligible for the
playoff roster.

The teams have yet to officially announce the trade, but the
strong-armed Francoeur said after a 9-2 loss to Atlanta that he's
headed to the Rangers. He says he excited about the chance to be on
a playoff team.

With Moreland playing 1st base couldn't Cantu serve this purpose?

[juck]

With Moreland playing 1st base couldn't Cantu serve this purpose?
Cantu cannot hit a basketball thrown his way

[juck]

21 baby.

[Sam I Am]

With Moreland playing 1st base couldn't Cantu serve this purpose?

It's well documented. Cantu Can't Do ****! :laugh2:

[TheCowboy]

Big Rangers fan here and I have to say that I have high hopes for the post season. As a former member of another board a member brought up that Cliff Lee has pitched well against the Yankees and not against any other team as a Ranger. He said it looks like Cliff Lee doesn't want to be in Texas and he wants to pitch for the Yankees.

[theebs]

Big Rangers fan here and I have to say that I have high hopes for the post season. As a former member of another board a member brought up that Cliff Lee has pitched well against the Yankees and not against any other team as a Ranger. He said it looks like Cliff Lee doesn't want to be in Texas and he wants to pitch for the Yankees.

he has been suffering from back strain and pitching through it. he finally gave in yesterday and got a cortizone shot and will make his next start.

[Sam I Am]

Big Rangers fan here and I have to say that I have high hopes for the post season. As a former member of another board a member brought up that Cliff Lee has pitched well against the Yankees and not against any other team as a Ranger. He said it looks like Cliff Lee doesn't want to be in Texas and he wants to pitch for the Yankees.

he has been suffering from back strain and pitching through it. he finally gave in yesterday and got a cortizone shot and will make his next start.

If he needs to be shutdown, then they should shut him down. I don't want him pitching if he is injured. Get it fixed now so he is ready for the post season. We can't have him pitching like he is when the post season arrives.

[TheCowboy]

If he needs to be shutdown, then they should shut him down. I don't want him pitching if he is injured. Get it fixed now so he is ready for the post season. We can't have him pitching like he is when the post season arrives.
Exactly my thoughts. Let him skip his next start. Maybe even call up Feldman to see if he learned anything from the minors?

[theebs]

If he needs to be shutdown, then they should shut him down. I don't want him pitching if he is injured. Get it fixed now so he is ready for the post season. We can't have him pitching like he is when the post season arrives.


he got the shot yesterday I dont think he needs to be shut down.

Maybe give him 6 days rest for the remainder of the season like the phils did possibly...but I dont think he needs to stop pitching.

[Sam I Am]

Exactly my thoughts. Let him skip his next start. Maybe even call up Feldman to see if he learned anything from the minors?

The funny thing about Feldman is there was some mathematical formula out there that predicted Feldman's failure this year and it nailed it to a tee.

It basically said that he doesn't have the makeup to remain a dominate pitcher in the league over the long haul. It was back last year when media talking heads were discussing giving Feldman a long term contract and whoever it was that had the formula was saying don't do it.

I need to see if I can hunt that down again. It was a pretty interesting read.

[Stautner]

Cantu cannot hit a basketball thrown his way

It's well documented. Cantu Can't Do ****! :laugh2:

Granted Cantu hasn't for hit sht with the Rangers, but as for what's well documented, he has proven to be a good major league hitter for some time now.

Besides, what exactly has Franceour shown the last couple of years?

Nevertheless, i think in general it's a good trade. Arias wasn't ever going to be anything more than the spare part he has been this year, and Franceour at one time looked to be on the fast track to being a stud. Fanceour is still younjg, so maybe there is time to get him back on that track. The problem is that the Rangers OF is pretty crowded.

[Sam I Am]

Granted Cantu hasn't for hit sht with the Rangers, but as for what's well documented, he has proven to be a good major league hitter for some time now.

Besides, what exactly has Franceour shown the last couple of years?

Nevertheless, i think in general it's a good trade. Arias wasn't ever going to be anything more than the spare part he has been this year, and Franceour at one time looked to be on the fast track to being a stud. Fanceour is still younjg, so maybe there is time to get him back on that track. The problem is that the Rangers OF is pretty crowded.

My outfield would consist of Murphy in right, Hamilton in center and Nelly in left.

The issue with Murphy is this. When he gets consistent playing time, he is a good hitter and produces. When he becomes a part time player, his offense falls off the table. I'm not on board with Franceour and Murphy splitting time.

If you want Murphy to produce, he has to play consistently. Since Nelly went on the DL, Murphy has had consistent playing time and he has been producing.

As for Cantu, he needs to sit the bench. Mitch Moreland appears to be comfortable at the plate and is producing. Defensively he is far better than Cantu who has been a defensive train wreck since arriving. (note that Moreland should have made that play last night that he let get passed him)

[Stautner]

My outfield would consist of Murphy in right, Hamilton in center and Nelly in left.

The issue with Murphy is this. When he gets consistent playing time, he is a good hitter and produces. When he becomes a part time player, his offense falls off the table. I'm not on board with Franceour and Murphy splitting time.

If you want Murphy to produce, he has to play consistently. Since Nelly went on the DL, Murphy has had consistent playing time and he has been producing.

As for Cantu, he needs to sit the bench. Mitch Moreland appears to be comfortable at the plate and is producing. Defensively he is far better than Cantu who has been a defensive train wreck since arriving. (note that Moreland should have made that play last night that he let get passed him)

I agree with all this, although I don't necessarily think we should flip flop Murphy and Nellie in the OF. There is some logic to it with Murphy throwing left handed, but Nellie seems pretty comfortable in RF now, and has arm is a little stronger.

I like Moreland a lot at 1st base. Certainly better than Cantu, who is pretty slow. Moreland isn't as good defensively as Chris Davis would be, but he looks like a much better major league hitter.

I don't mind Franceour playing ocassionally against a tough lefthander, but I agree that Murphy needs to play regularly.

[Sam I Am]

I agree with all this, although I don't necessarily think we should flip flop Murphy and Nellie in the OF. There is some logic to it with Murphy throwing left handed, but Nellie seems pretty comfortable in RF now, and has arm is a little stronger.

I like Moreland a lot at 1st base. Certainly better than Cantu, who is pretty slow. Moreland isn't as good defensively as Chris Davis would be, but he looks like a much better major league hitter.

I don't mind Franceour playing ocassionally against a tough lefthander, but I agree that Murphy needs to play regularly.

Actually, I had them switched by mistake. Murphy in left and Nelly in right. Nelly has the rifle arm you need in right field. Murphy has proven he has enough arm to play left field.

[Stautner]

Actually, I had them switched by mistake. Murphy in left and Nelly in right. Nelly has the rifle arm you need in right field. Murphy has proven he has enough arm to play left field.

No mistake, Murphy has a very nice arm too, just not quite Nellie's level. Franceour has a cannon himself. Borbon is the only one of our OF's that doesn't have a big arm.

[Chocolate Lab]

The funny thing about Feldman is there was some mathematical formula out there that predicted Feldman's failure this year and it nailed it to a tee.

It basically said that he doesn't have the makeup to remain a dominate pitcher in the league over the long haul. It was back last year when media talking heads were discussing giving Feldman a long term contract and whoever it was that had the formula was saying don't do it.

I need to see if I can hunt that down again. It was a pretty interesting read.

Right. Basically, he doesn't miss enough bats.

Truth is, you can say the same thing for Tommy Hunter. Most likely, he won't always be as good as he has this year... Though there are always exceptions.

[Temo]

The funny thing about Feldman is there was some mathematical formula out there that predicted Feldman's failure this year and it nailed it to a tee.

It basically said that he doesn't have the makeup to remain a dominate pitcher in the league over the long haul. It was back last year when media talking heads were discussing giving Feldman a long term contract and whoever it was that had the formula was saying don't do it.

I need to see if I can hunt that down again. It was a pretty interesting read.

It's not a very complicated "formula". The theory is that pitchers can control 3 basic things: K-rate, BB-Rate, and Groundball rate. Feldman didn't do any 3 of those things very well (well, his Ground ball rate was average-ish, but that's not enough).

You can succeed in the short term just due to getting lucky out/good defense, but in the long run you need to do well in those three stats (or at least 2 out of 3).

[juck]

I wonder if Blanco could play 1st? I hate to see him out he is batting wonderful. heckuva player.

[TheCowboy]

Magic number is...24? Right?

[Temo]

Right. Basically, he doesn't miss enough bats.

Truth is, you can say the same thing for Tommy Hunter. Most likely, he won't always be as good as he has this year... Though there are always exceptions.

Yea, Tommy Hunter is another guy who doesn't do any of those 3 things very well.