Haynesworth fails conditioning test [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

SkinsHokieFan

07-29-2010, 01:28 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/red...ils-to-co.html

Albert Haynesworth performed well Thursday on the first part of his conditioning test but failed to complete the two-part process and did not pass, according to people familiar with the situation.

Haynesworth did so well in the first phase that one team source said he "killed it." But Haynesworth apparently needed a lavatory break midway through the second part and was unable to complete the test after returning and starting from the beginning.

On Wednesday, Coach Mike Shanahan said Haynesworth would not be permitted to participate in training camp practices until he passed the test. The Redskins are scheduled to take the field for the first practice of camp in about two hours at Redskins Park. Shanahan plans to address the situation after practice, but Haynesworth is not expected to comment until he passes the test.

So now what?

Well, Haynesworth, who skipped all but one day of Shanahan's first offseason program, must work with the training staff until he is able to complete the test. Several players said Haynesworth clearly is in much better shape than he was at this time last season.

Apparently two 300 yard shuttle runs was the conditioning test. I'll go out on a limb and say that he was set up to fail that. 300 lbs man doing that in the heat we had today is insane

Go Big D!

07-29-2010, 01:33 PM

what a joke :lmao2:

hornitosmonster

07-29-2010, 01:38 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/red...ils-to-co.html

Apparently two 300 yard shuttle runs was the conditioning test. I'll go out on a limb and say that he was set up to fail that. 300 lbs man doing that in the heat we had today is insane

dude, save the excuse making for your board. We see the truth.

lavatory break = puking his guts out

chicago JK

07-29-2010, 01:39 PM

supposedly after his bathroom break he was 12 pounds lighter.

rynochop

07-29-2010, 01:41 PM

Wasnt part of his excuse for missing OTA's was that he was home working out and knew what it took to be ready? Too funny.

I'm thinking, going to the bathroom = winded

SkinsHokieFan

07-29-2010, 01:44 PM

dude, save the excuse making for your board. We see the truth.

lavatory break = puking his guts out

What I'd expect after a 300 lbs guy ran that.

I am surprised he could walk off the field. Shanny isn't going to make the next few weeks fun for him. We'll see how long he lasts :)

Bob Sacamano

07-29-2010, 01:45 PM

BraveHeartFan

07-29-2010, 01:56 PM

Wait...you mean he's actually showed up in shape at some point in his career? That would be news to me, if he showed up in shape. The fact that he didn't isn't news cause it's not anything new.

The guy is a lazy dude. It's not shocking at all that he's, as usual, out of shape.

rynochop

07-29-2010, 01:57 PM

So is he fined or something if he cant practice due to failing this?

And yeah, TWO 300 yard shuttle runs?? Thats insane.

dbair1967

07-29-2010, 02:00 PM

:lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2:

hipfake08

07-29-2010, 02:07 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/red...ils-to-co.html

Apparently two 300 yard shuttle runs was the conditioning test. I'll go out on a limb and say that he was set up to fail that. 300 lbs man doing that in the heat we had today is insane

My dad could have done it after he broke his hip when he was 80. :rolleyes:

Bob Sacamano

07-29-2010, 02:09 PM

It's 1800 feet guys. Altogether.

That's not that far.

Apluz

07-29-2010, 02:09 PM

Very few players have find the exit on Mike Shanahan's doghouse. Albert Haynesworth has a better shot at patching things up with his teammates then he dose the Head Coach.

DallasInDC

07-29-2010, 02:10 PM

Albert Haynesworth failed the second part of his physical because he had to go to the bathroom and had to restart the second part from the beginning and was therefore to tired to finish.

That Is too funny. :lmao:

I know this is the wrong forum but thought it was good for a laugh.

Link

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5420094

Bob Sacamano

07-29-2010, 02:10 PM

Very few players have found the exit on Mike Shanahan's doghouse. Albert Haynesworth has a better shot at patching things up with his teammates then he dose the Head Coach.

Yep, our very own Montrae Holland was traded because he fell into it.

The Quest for Six

07-29-2010, 02:13 PM

I guess fat albert is too fat and not in shape!!!!!!!

Doomsday101

07-29-2010, 02:17 PM

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Chocolate Lab

07-29-2010, 02:18 PM

ThreeandOut

07-29-2010, 02:18 PM

I guess fat albert is too fat and not in shape!!!!!!!

Hey, hey, hey...it's Fat Albert!

StanleySpadowski

07-29-2010, 02:22 PM

Go Big D!

07-29-2010, 02:29 PM

Here's FoxSports take on the situation.

FoxSports.com, which first reported the story, said that Haynesworth finished the first part of the test but walked through the second part.

SkinsHokieFan

07-29-2010, 02:33 PM

This is going to get ugly.

He didn't get a set time so he was going to be "failed" no matter what he did. The problem is that others on the team didn't have to take the same test. There'll be a greivance filed by morning and it won't be pretty.

Why would t here be a grievance filed?

The other players all took part in the off season conditioning program, hence they didn't have to do it. AH chose not to and therefore had to pass a test.

Now, Mike Shanahan was going to make sure he didn't pass the test. Not sure what the grevience would be.

"Coach was too mean to me!!!"

I am sure he'll "pass" tomorrow

hornitosmonster

07-29-2010, 02:40 PM

Why would t here be a grievance filed?

The other players all took part in the off season conditioning program, hence they didn't have to do it. AH chose not to and therefore had to pass a test.

Now, Mike Shanahan was going to make sure he didn't pass the test. Not sure what the grevience would be.

"Coach was too mean to me!!!"

I am sure he'll "pass" tomorrow

pretty sure fitness test are normal. Terrence Cody failed the Ravens fitness test as well.

joseephuss

07-29-2010, 02:56 PM

Well, as Marshall Faulk has so eloquently pointed out, none of this is a distraction because for Haynesworth its not all about the $$$, it more about the HOF and where he needs to play to have that legacy. And if Shanahan can't respect that then he needs to understand that Haynesworth can a will fake an injury not to play.

All this is NOT a distraction and totally normal and healthy.

Someone needs to tell Faulk that Haynesworth is nowhere close to being a HoFer no matter what scheme he plays. He is a good player, but I have yet to see him play at a HoF level over a full season. for the 8 years he has been in the league.

dbair1967

07-29-2010, 03:02 PM

Well, as Marshall Faulk has so eloquently pointed out, none of this is a distraction because for Haynesworth its not all about the $$$, it more about the HOF and where he needs to play to have that legacy. And if Shanahan can't respect that then he needs to understand that Haynesworth can a will fake an injury not to play.

All this is NOT a distraction and totally normal and healthy.

Faulk suggested Haynesworth was a HOF calibar player? :lmao2:

Now THATS freaking hilarious. Thats even more funny than Fatsworth flunking the conditioning test.

Chuck 54

07-29-2010, 03:32 PM

On ESPNnews, they reported that the test is two 300 yard runs. They reported that he passed the test, but Shannahan said he took too long a break between the two runs and thus asked him to run a third one.

At this, Haynesworth told the coach that he couldn't run 3-300 yard runs even in his pro-bowl years (sort of implying that it was silly and had nothing to do with football).

Shannahan considers that a failure and won't let him practice until he does pass it to his satisfaction.

-----That's the report given on ESPNnews. I have no sympathy for that fat SOB, but it does sound like Shanny is giving him the business a bit to make a point. This could get nasty, but I'm guessing fatty will pass it tomorrow. I have a feeling the Redskins are almost hoping fatboy is insubordinate at some point, at which time they can fine or suspend him and make him really feel it in the pocketbook.

Should be interesting.

SkinsHokieFan

07-29-2010, 04:06 PM

Go Big D!

07-29-2010, 04:11 PM

I'm surprised that Shanahan and Fat Albert haven't teamed up and gotten on the same page...
...given their propensity for dirty play.

Cowboys22

07-29-2010, 07:04 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...itioning-test/

We've been very critical -- and rightfully so -- of Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, whose refusal to attempt to earn more than $30 million he has been paid by the team was punctuated by a decision not to show up for a mandatory minicamp.

But it's important to remember that Haynesworth isn't exactly beating up on a singing-impaired choir boy. Coach Mike Shanahan has, in our estimation, taken a few liberties with reality when it comes to the Haynesworth situation, and we're now beginning to believe that Shanahan intentionally gave Haynesworth a conditioning test that Shanahan knew he would fail.

Per a league source (and forgive me if someone else has reported this, but power is out at our undisclosed beach location and I'm trying to conserve the battery in my laptop and my Sprint mobile hot spot, which is performing incredibly well during an intense barrage of lightning), Haynesworth completed the assigned pair of 300-yard shuttle runs, but Shanahan then decided that he had too much rest between the two attempts, due to a bathroom break.

The source says that Shanahan told Haynesworth that he "needed to get in shape." Haynesworth then said that he couldn't have completed three 300-yard shuttle runs even in his Pro Bowl/All-Pro years.

Said Shanahan in response, "I guess you have never been in shape then." (It's unknown whether Shanahan then said, "Boom. Roasted.")

It's currently our understanding that Haynesworth was the only lineman required to pass the conditioning test. Though some may contend that those who participated in the offseason program earned an exemption, it's our understanding that the test is imposed to ensure that the player is ready to withstand the rigors of training camp. Just because the rest of the players participated in the offseason program, which concluded more than a month ago, doesn't mean they're still in shape. So all of them should have to pass it, or none of them should be expected to try.

SkinsHokieFan

07-29-2010, 07:10 PM

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/07/29/shanahan-on-haynesworth-we-re-going-to-get-him-in-shape/

Albert looks a lot leaner in this picture. He was a tub of good last year. Hopefully this works out. We'll see though what happens.

http://www.blogcdn.com/blog.redskins.com/media/2010/07/ap100729033736.jpg

Despite the optimistic words from defensive coordinator Jim Haslett yesterday, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth wasn't at practice today, nor was he on the sidelines while the team was working. Instead he was in the facility, running on a treadmill alongside head strength and conditioning coach Ray Wright. But he did emerge afterward -- as you can see in the AP photo above -- and work with Haslett, defensive line coach Jacob Burney, and some upside-down trashcans on some of the defensive scheme and terminology.

That was the extent of his work, but not the extent of the discussion around him. Haynesworth was one of the main topics of head coach Mike Shanahan's post-practice press conference, and it started out with just about the simplest possible declaration:

"Albert did not pass his conditioning test."

Which went a long way toward clearing up the conflicting and confusing stories that were running around the perimeter of the practice field today. Shahanan continued, "Obviously, you'd like him to be in the type of shape that most of our players are in. The bottom line is that we're going to get him in shape. If he's going to be on our football team and he's going to play at the level we'd like him to play, then he's got to be in great football shape. Hopefully he'll get it done tomorrow, but it may take two or three days, it may take a week. I really don't know. His weight is fine. We've just got to get that cardio at a certain level to make sure he doesn't injure himself."

And that was all that was said about Albert Haynesworth.

No, just kidding. There was plenty more. Here, look, from the team's transcript:

On what was said when Albert Haynesworth was told he failed his conditioning test:
"I don't go through our conversations together. I think he knows that he's got to pass this test. He's got to work extremely hard to make sure that cardiovascular endurance is there, and when he does that, I feel very comfortable to put him on the field and let him compete for that position."

On if he and Albert Haynesworth exchanged heated words:
"Obviously when I say I'm not going to share the conversation I had, that means I'm not going to share the conversation I had. But there were no words. Albert was first class all the way. He understood where I was coming from and understands that he's got to be at a certain level to go out on the field and practice with the rest of that football team. If he gets there then he'll be with us and if he doesn't, he won't."

On the conditioning test given to Albert Haynesworth:
"It's a basic conditioning test. We get a good idea if a guy is in shape. We put a lot of our linemen through it, offense and defense. We do it through our conditioning drills throughout the OTAs. It's a very fair test. But more importantly, it keeps a guy from getting hurt. I don't want to put a guy out there that's not ready to go and all of the sudden, there's a setback for two weeks. It just doesn't make sense. Albert's got a lot of ability. We get him in great football shape, he can help us. But I'm not going to put him out there until he's in that kind of shape.

On reports that the players who attended the offseason program did not have to take that conditioning test:
"That's exactly right, and that's part of being in the offseason program. You don't have to take the test. There's a certain percentage of workouts that you've got to be here, and if you're in that percentage, you don't have to go through the conditioning test because we knew you're in good shape. You had done this test in a lot of different running drills along the way."

On if what it will take for Albert Haynesworth to get back on the field:
"You've got to pass the test. Will it happen? Is there going to be a setback tomorrow? Will he make it tomorrow? I can't tell you. The only thing I can tell you is that when he does pass the test, I feel very good that he can go out and compete at that position. I don't want to throw him out there and all of the sudden he gets hurt and it takes two weeks to recover."

On if any other players had attendance low enough to warrant taking the conditioning test:
"No, he was the only one. That was said very early. Jammal Brown was signed late, and he was here for a couple of weeks for conditioning and did very well in that test, by the way."

On if he would classify the conditioning test as tough for someone Albert Haynesworth's size:
"Well, I can say this: All of our other linemen passed the test."

Still more on Albert Haynesworth:
"I think we've covered Albert enough. I think he understands where I'm coming from. I don't know if it's going to happen tomorrow. I hope so. Could it take a week? It could. I really can't tell you. But when he does come back he's going to be in shape and hopefully he's ready to go. One time a day he's going to have that opportunity [to pass the test], and if not, we'll put him through the type of workout he had both in the morning and the afternoon."

And that was it about Albert Haynesworth.

Ha ha, no, got you again!

On if the defensive line could be formidable with both Albert Haynesworth and Ma'ake Kemoeatu:
"'Could be' is the key word. We've got to get it done. What we're going to do is work extremely hard. We've got some parameters that we expect from our players. We get everybody to play at the top of their ability, and we have a chance to be good. The key is people working extremely hard and doing the things we expect them to do and hopefully that'll get done."

Okay, that really WAS it with Haynesworth. I devoutly hope that he passes his conditioning test tomorrow and we can just focus on what he does on the field.

fannypack

07-29-2010, 07:37 PM

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Apollo Creed

07-29-2010, 10:03 PM

Silly test, especially for a DT.

But a guy getting paid that much should be able to do something like that.

He's always been lazy, looks like him getting paid just made it worse.

Apluz

07-29-2010, 10:47 PM

Yep, our very own Montrae Holland was traded because he fell into it.

So wasn't Clinton Portis and anybody else who looked at the Coach wrong.

SkinsHokieFan

07-30-2010, 07:52 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgFD37TNRAKYWSY0iQh259A5nYcB?slug=lc-haynesworth072910

Redskins’ Haynesworth crossed the wrong guy

By Les Carpenter

ASHBURN, Va. – If Albert Haynesworth believed he could spend seven months challenging the icy will of Redskins coach Mike Shanahan then expect to be forgiven, he learned the futility of that hope halfway through a fitness test he would not pass on Thursday afternoon.

Few men in the NFL can carry a grudge like Shanahan, who harbors resentment behind a forced smile. Valued assistants and longtime colleagues tell of their relationships with the coach in hushed whispers.

Some have begged not to be interviewed. They value the coach’s knowledge, admire his obsession for detail. But they also fear him. Even long after they have stopped working with him their words quiver when his name is raised. Some say they fear they might say the wrong thing. They don’t want to cross him.

He is a man who does not forget.

And after Haynesworth used the winter, spring and half the summer to defy Shanahan, refusing to attend his minicamps and OTAs and conditioning sessions because he didn’t want to be a part of Shanahan’s new 3-4 defense, he finally came back to the Redskins this week.

Whatever leverage he had was exhausted, his attempts to embarrass his new coach into dealing him had failed. He had no choice but to return to practice.

With one caveat.

“There’s a conditioning test he’ll go through,” Shanahan said on Wednesday, the day before camp started. This was a Shanahan invention, officially administered to Haynesworth because he missed a percentage of the offseason workouts, unofficially because he tried to embarrass Shanahan.

Haynesworth should have understood right then he would not pass the test. Despite Shanahan’s insistence it was a “basic” fitness exam, the test was made to fail.

Shanahan refused to reveal the details of the test but it involved lots and lots of running in temperatures that pushed through the 90s in a sticky, swampy muck. Haynesworth, who supposedly shed 40 pounds in the offseason working out with a personal trainer, had no chance.

So he was banished to a solo workout on a treadmill on Thursday as the rest of the team practiced outside. Later, after practice was over and the fans were heading toward their cars, he was dragged out for a scramble around trash cans on a far-off field. When he was done he was forced to jog a gauntlet of fans, past the media and back into the safety of the locker room.

Predictably, he did not speak to anyone during his walk of shame.

There is a long list of former players and bosses who have endured Shanahan’s wrath, including Raiders owner Al Davis, who fired him, and once-acclaimed receiver Ashley Lelie who never played well for him in Denver. Then there was one-time Broncos guard Montrae Holland, who rewarded Shanahan for a contract extension by showing up 20 pounds overweight at the start of training camp in 2008.

Like Haynesworth, he was quickly banished from practice, forced through a cocktail of punishments including the treadmill, elliptical machine and stairmaster. When he was done, he had to run outside just like Haynesworth. After a few days he was allowed to return to only one of the team’s two daily practices. A starter the previous season, Holland could only play for the scout team during that workout. Later in the day, he was forced to run alone on an empty field.

His exile lasted two weeks. He lost his job and not long after he was traded to the Cowboys.

Late Thursday afternoon, Shanahan seemed to revel in his revenge over Haynesworth. He smiled as he stepped onto an interview stage.

“I bet I can anticipate the first question,” he said.

When that first question was, of course, about Haynesworth, he laughed.

Haynesworth will have to take the test again on Friday, he said. And if he doesn’t pass it – a likely possibility given Thursday’s result – he’ll be shipped off to the treadmill once more.

“It may take two or three days or it might take a week,” Shanahan said.

In the days before he returned to the Redskins, Haynesworth had softened his stance against the team, texting with some of the coaches, trying to catch up on the nuances of a new defense installed in the spring. He expressed a willingness to work and the sense among the assistant coaches was one of optimism.

<Snippage>

Yet when asked to adhere to his new coach’s plan for him, Haynesworth refused, choosing to scorch the earth.

And so on Thursday he ran.

And ran.
And ran.

And became just another man who challenged Mike Shanahan and lost.

More at the above link.

ninja

07-30-2010, 08:20 AM

SkinsHokieFan

07-30-2010, 08:24 AM

How priceless would it be to see Albert Haynesworth give a press conference in his driveway while doing sit-ups!:laugh2:

Even though I am cheap, I may even pay money to see that.

I think Al Davis should be working the phone with Shanahan on a trade for Haynesworth. The price is cheap now. He may be available for a 3rd rounder which would be a steal.

The Titans were offering a 3rd back in April before the draft. That didn't happen.

At this point it will take a 1st or else he stays in DC and Shanahan keeps running him into the ground

Joe Rod

07-30-2010, 08:39 AM

I just heard that he failed today as well. Coach Shanny is not someone to mess around with I guess! :laugh2:

SkinsHokieFan

07-30-2010, 08:40 AM

I just heard that he failed today as well. Coach Shanny is not someone to mess around with I guess! :laugh2:
Nevermind, just read the article

I imagine at this point he will "fail" for a week. Shanahan is going to break Albert down

BehindEnemyLinez

07-30-2010, 09:06 AM

Poor Albert... (well with a $21mil bonus he received, not really
:D )

Go Big D!

07-30-2010, 01:31 PM

This is priceless. Failed again today. What a loser....perfect fit in that POS organization.

Ren

07-30-2010, 01:39 PM

As much as i hate the Skins you got to love what Shannahan is doing, he's basically saying this is what you get if you go full retard on my team in the offseason.

Bet you after a week of fat Albert torture, players will think twice before they consider whining and skipping OTAs :lmao:

Sam I Am

07-30-2010, 02:39 PM

Yep, he did.

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5422548)

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ASHBURN, Va. -- Early Friday morning, the cones were lined up 25 yards apart on the field for Albert Haynesworth's conditioning test. He needed to complete the first part in 70 seconds or less to have a chance to pass.

He clocked 71.

ESPN NFL insider Chris Mortensen says Albert Haynesworth failed his conditioning test for the second day in a row. Mortensen talks about how coach Mike Shanahan is handling the situation.

Another failed effort. Once again, the two-time All-Pro defensive tackle was not allowed to participate in practice at Washington Redskins training camp.

And so the Haynesworth saga drags on. By now, some coaches or organizations would have worked out some sort of a behind-the-scenes compromise in the name of team harmony and good publicity, especially with one measly second hanging in the balance. Not Mike Shanahan. The rules are the rules are the rules for the Redskins' new coach, no matter who the player is.

"Either you play by the rules, you're gone or you'll get fined, one of the two," fullback Mike Sellers said. "He's a no-nonsense guy. A lot of the vets around here who are pretty much old-school guys appreciate it."

Perhaps Haynesworth didn't see it coming, especially after spending last season under laid-back, player-friendly coach Jim Zorn. Or perhaps he thought by now he'd be playing for another team. Or perhaps he'd heard stories about the "star treatment" given to Redskins players such as Michael Westbrook, Bruce Smith and Clinton Portis over the years.

Either way, Haynesworth has learned the hard way that going toe to toe with Shanahan is not a good idea: Shanahan is going to win.

"He wants to come in and put a lot of discipline in this thing," defensive end Phillip Daniels said. "Discipline is the key."

So, for Haynesworth, the second day of training camp was much like the first. After failing the test, he was sent inside to do treadmill and agility work while the rest of the team practiced. After practice, Haynesworth emerged in a long-sleeved gray T-shirt and burgundy shorts and spent about 15 minutes walking through some plays with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett in order to learn the playbook.

A few fans yelled support as Haynesworth walked back to the building. He paused to sign a few autographs but did not speak to reporters.

The Redskins, however, took a different approach in explaining the whole thing. Shanahan had previously declined to reveal the details of Haynesworth's conditioning test, but on Friday the team sent out strength and conditioning coach Ray Wright to give a full breakdown.

Haynesworth, explained Wright, was the only player required to take the test because he was the only player not to attend 50 percent of the team's offseason workouts. However, the players did run the same drill as part of those workouts in the spring.

The test consists of 300 yards of sprints -- called a "shuttle" -- back and forth 25 yards at a time. It has to be run twice, with only a 3½-minute break in between. The short break demonstrates that the player can recover quickly. Linemen have to run the first shuttle in 70 seconds, the second one in 73 seconds.

Haynesworth clocked 70 seconds on the first shuttle when he tried to pass the test on Friday -- but he then violated the test's rules by taking an extended potty break.

"He had to use the restroom," Wright said. "You get 3½ minutes. He was gone close to 10."

So Haynesworth had to start all over again and failed.

On Friday, his first shuttle took 71 seconds, so there was no need to run the second one. He'll try again Saturday.

"He's learning how to run it," Wright said. "There's a pace you have to have, a certain tempo each 25 yards, and I expect him to pass it pretty soon."

Shanahan called the drill a "very minimal test" that most of his players could do "in their sleep." He said he is confident Haynesworth will eventually pass.

"I don't want to put a guy out there before he's ready, before I know he's in shape," Shanahan said. "I know it's the best thing for him. He may not know that at this time, but I can guarantee you, the big linemen that I've been with, the guys that are in the trenches, they still need to be in shape."

Last year, Haynesworth would often take a knee at the ends of plays and would have to leave the game. He hasn't played 16 games in a regular season since he was a rookie in 2002, but he has noticeably slimmed down this year.

Haynesworth, entering the second year of a seven-year, $100 million contract, stayed away from the team's offseason program because he wanted to work with his own trainer and because he is unhappy with the switch to a 3-4 defense. He was hoping the Redskins would trade him rather than make him report to camp.

On Friday, Shanahan was clearly getting tired of having the Haynesworth matter dominate the opening days of camp. The coach wants to move on to other things.

"The next time we talk about this," Shanahan told reporters, "is when he's practicing with us."

Another rule -- and one that will no doubt be followed.

Yakuza Rich

07-30-2010, 04:05 PM

SkinsHokieFan

07-30-2010, 04:36 PM

I think it may come down to a game of chicken and IMO, I think Haynesworth holds all of the cards with that big contract.

Haynesworth has one objective-protecting his money

With the amount of law suits he has been facing and the fact that he has burnt through quite a bit of money, he'll do whatever he has to do to make sure the Redskins don't come after 1 dime they paid him.

His "leverage" ended the first day of TC

Apluz

07-31-2010, 04:17 AM

Haynesworth has one objective-protecting his money

With the amount of law suits he has been facing and the fact that he has burnt through quite a bit of money, he'll do whatever he has to do to make sure the Redskins don't come after 1 dime they paid him.

His "leverage" ended the first day of TC

Nay Mike is biting off more then he can chew this time.

Haynesworth still has all the leverage. His contract is so huge that the Skins only recourse is to cut him while there is no cap if Mike has him in his permanent dog house.

Haynesworth could just keep doing the test and failing and the team can not cut him to recoup there money. If Mike Shanahan is trying to play a game of chicken he will lose. The way Mike is handling this it has some of the Redskins players starting to come out in defense of Haynesworth now.

If I were Albert's agent I would tell him to fake a hamstring pull next time out and watch Mike blow a gasket! Remember this is not the physical to determine if he can play football that all players have to go through it is Mike's own personal test that he wants him to past in order for him to practice.

Reports are not all Redskins players even had to take the same conditioning test.

Joe Rod

07-31-2010, 07:49 AM

I'm not sure why Haynesworth would even try to pass it. He's guaranteed the money. I'd like to think if I was a player, I wouldn't put myself in this position. But if I was Haynesworth, I'd get a strong contracts attorney to comb thru my contract details and see what I need to do to get the guaranteed money, which probably isn't much. If that's the case, I'd tell Haynesworth to walk the conditioning drills and force Shanny's hand to either let you practice or trade you or release you.

I think Shanahan is doing the right thing...although I'd watch it in the heat for fear of death (although I highly doubt it would happen with that drill without pads)...but, the question in all of this is if Haynesworth tell Shanny to screw on the drills, what do they do when it's determined that they really need Haynesworth?

I think it may come down to a game of chicken and IMO, I think Haynesworth holds all of the cards with that big contract.

YR

That wouldn't be smart with Bruce Allen as the GM. He recouped bonus money from Keenan McCardell and Jake Plummer for failing to perform to the terms in their contract, so there is a precedent there. The odds are that they will do everything that they can to get him to walk out or underperform so that they can try and take action against him.

If Haynesworth comes to practice and just loafs around, then the Redkins can argue that he is not performing under the terms of his contract. Maybe they win, maybe they don't, but that is a huge risk and even more dumb than normal for Haynesworth considering he could forfeit roughly six million dollars minimum if an arbitrator sees things the Redskins way (25% of the bonus they paid him a few months ago and 25% of the portion of his original bonus allocated to this years Cap (5 Million)).

This is the same dude that currently has roughly four different lawsuits out there against him (Bank Loan for over 2 mil, Child support from his ex-wife, Paternity suit from a stripper and an auto-accident that left a guy needing a hip replacement). Albert is going to need every penny of that money to take care of his other issues.

Apluz

07-31-2010, 08:32 AM

That wouldn't be smart with Bruce Allen as the GM. He recouped bonus money from Keenan McCardell and Jake Plummer for failing to perform to the terms in their contract, so there is a precedent there. The odds are that they will do everything that they can to get him to walk out or underperform so that they can try and take action against him.

If Haynesworth comes to practice and just loafs around, then the Redkins can argue that he is not performing under the terms of his contract. Maybe they win, maybe they don't, but that is a huge risk and even more dumb than normal for Haynesworth considering he could forfeit roughly six million dollars minimum if an arbitrator sees things the Redskins way (25% of the bonus they paid him a few months ago and 25% of the portion of his original bonus allocated to this years Cap (5 Million)).

This is the same dude that currently has roughly four different lawsuits out there against him (Bank Loan for over 2 mil, Child support from his ex-wife, Paternity suit from a stripper and an auto-accident that left a guy needing a hip replacement). Albert is going to need every penny of that money to take care of his other issues.

Your kidding right? Haynesworth is guaranteed 41 million dollars. Dude got 21 million in April and 5 million just to sign the deal. I'm sure he could write a check for about 6 million and make all those problems disappear.

It was easy to get money back from Plummer after he was traded for he received a roster bonus then decided not to play that was a no brainer. I'm not sure but I think McCardell retirement may of had something to do with it as well.

Unless there is some language in Alberts contract about passing a conditioning test ( not to be confused with a physical ) then all he needs to do is go through the motions enough so as not to be considered insubordinate. I would pull a hamstring or catch a cramp half way through it a couple times and flat out make sure I do not pass the test ever! If Mikey wants to play games he would lose.

I don't agree with how Hayensworth has handled this whole thing but the team is not all innocent in this, fact is the Redskins told him everything he wanted to hear to get him to sign with them. Then they decided change everything that made the team attractive to him if the first place.

Joe Rod

07-31-2010, 09:08 AM

Your kidding right? Haynesworth is guaranteed 41 million dollars. Dude got 21 million in April and 5 million just to sign the deal. I'm sure he could write a check for about 6 million and make all those problems disappear.

It was easy to get money back from Plummer after he was traded for he received a roster bonus then decided not to play that was a no brainer. I'm not sure but I think McCardell retirement may of had something to do with it as well.

Unless there is some language in Alberts contract about passing a conditioning test ( not to be confused with a physical ) then all he needs to do is go through the motions enough so as not to be considered insubordinate. I would pull a hamstring or catch a cramp half way through it a couple times and flat out make sure I do not pass the test ever! If Mikey wants to play games he would lose.

I don't agree with how Hayensworth has handled this whole thing but the team is not all innocent in this, fact is the Redskins told him everything he wanted to hear to get him to sign with them. Then they decided change everything that made the team attractive to him if the first place.

There's a major difference between going through the motions enough so that you are not insubordinate and "walking" as the first poster put it. Your point is steering way off from the first post I responded to.

I'm not sure you could say that I am kidding while in the same sentence flaunting the known fact that he is guaranteed such a high figure. You don't think that his ex-wife and his baby-momma know about his contract as well???? Child support for his kids alone will surpass your 6 million dollar figure over the next eighteen years. You can't just write a check and make your kids "go away". Child support is the tip of the iceberg with kids. When they want a car, college, wedding, birthday, etc., they are going to come to "dad" who they know made 41 million guaranteed.

One additional newsflash. Mikey is already playing games. He failed Haynesworth yesterday for being 1 second behind the "passing time" when he could have easily let him slide. Shannahan wants the team to see who runs the show and he could care less if Albert comes along for the ride. He wasn't the one that gave Albert the contract.

Yeagermeister

07-31-2010, 09:44 AM

Apluz

07-31-2010, 09:49 AM

There's a major difference between going through the motions enough so that you are not insubordinate and "walking" as the first poster put it. Your point is steering way off from the first post I responded to.

I thought the difference was obvious. It's not steering way off it's called giving a different point of view. Walking would not quite cut it. But how are you going to prove if he is giving less then 100% effor or faking injury?

I'm not sure you could say that I am kidding while in the same sentence flaunting the known fact that he is guaranteed such a high figure. You don't think that his ex-wife and his baby-momma know about his contract as well???? Child support for his kids alone will surpass your 6 million dollar figure over the next eighteen years. You can't just write a check and make your kids "go away". Child support is the tip of the iceberg with kids. When they want a car, college, wedding, birthday, etc., they are going to come to "dad" who they know made 41 million guaranteed.

In your post you made it seem that he is hurting for money there are 26 million reasons that suggest he is not... and just because he has law suits dose not mean he is hurting. The thing with his Ex was for him to pay what was already mandated for her and his kids by her. Albert was probably late with a payment and she went nuts. That is not a big deal.

You mentioned a car accident in an effort to further illustrate that Albert is hurting for money. But why do you think people pay for auto insurance? Legally the maximum punishment is six months in jail and a $500 fine on the reckless driving charge and 30 days in jail and a $50 fine for the other charge.

The women suing for paternity was not married to Haynesworth so there is no alimony involved. Alimony makes more of a dent in a pay check of a rich man then child support. Again we are talking child support so she is held financially culpable as well don't forget that. Haynesworth could set up a trust account for like a million (likely a lot less) for the kid and not many judges would turn that down. And lets not forget paternity test come back Murry style "You are not the father".

One additional newsflash. Mikey is already playing games. He failed Haynesworth yesterday for being 1 second behind the "passing time" when he could have easily let him slide. Shannahan wants the team to see who runs the show and he could care less if Albert comes along for the ride. He wasn't the one that gave Albert the contract.

This is why I suggest that Albert could play games too. Not that he will but he could.

What Mike is doing just might blow up in his face... If Albert pushes back! Will be fun to watch it all play out in Redskin land!

SkinsHokieFan

07-31-2010, 11:04 AM

Nay Mike is biting off more then he can chew this time.

Haynesworth still has all the leverage. His contract is so huge that the Skins only recourse is to cut him while there is no cap if Mike has him in his permanent dog house.

Haynesworth could just keep doing the test and failing and the team can not cut him to recoup there money. If Mike Shanahan is trying to play a game of chicken he will lose. The way Mike is handling this it has some of the Redskins players starting to come out in defense of Haynesworth now.

If I were Albert's agent I would tell him to fake a hamstring pull next time out and watch Mike blow a gasket! Remember this is not the physical to determine if he can play football that all players have to go through it is Mike's own personal test that he wants him to past in order for him to practice.

Reports are not all Redskins players even had to take the same conditioning test.

So many places you are wrong

Lets check with Jeff Fisher to see how incorrect you are

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/07/albert-haynesworth-redskins-jeff-fisher-titans-/1

There likely are some suspicions that the "condtioning test" the Washington Redskins are administering with Albert Haynesworth is punitive, meant to single out the $100 million man for missing offseason workouts with the team.But Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher was on the Dan Patrick Show today, explaining the typical tests teams use, and it appears nothing is out of the ordinary for Haynesworth in Washington. Said Fisher:
"Different clubs require different things when players report. We're doing the same thing that the Redskins do, based on some of the reports I read. The players come in, and they'll be required to run a 300-yard shuttle from the goal line to the 25-yard line and back. You do that six times, and you have a time in which you have to finish it, based on positions.
"For example, the skill guys will be right around 60 or 65 seconds. The bigger and the heavier they get, the more time you have to finish it. Then you have a rest and recovery period, and then you go out and you do it again. That particular test is something we've been doing for years. We have a baseline. The players are ready for it. They come in and it's not a big deal."

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More From Jeff Fisher

(on whether they do a third set of shuttle runs)
No, we just do two and what we do is if you’ve had a minimum number of offseason workouts then the test is modified. Those that have been here for at least 80 percent of the offseason workouts, it’s a 300 yard shuttle, they will run 50 yard increments rather than 25 yard increments so it’s a little bit easier. The 25 yard 300 yard shuttle is an appropriate test to find out what kind of shape you’re in.

http://www.titansonline.com/news/art...f-10a5fd78f67e

And from Matt Bowen

From Matt Bowen- former player:

They haven’t changed much. When I played it was a 300-yard shuttle. In different combinations (some require six 50-yard sprints and others require twelve 25-yard sprints), they add up to 300 total yards. Think of old-school gassers. Run, touch the line, and come back — over and over until you have run a total of 300 yards. Rest in between sets and get back on the line. The times are broken down into three position groups: skill (WR, DB, RB), semi-skill (LB, TE, QB) and linemen (OL, DL). Each group has a time they have to complete each set in.

In Green Bay under Mike Sherman, you ran three of them — with about a two minute rest in between. They are nasty. For the skill guys, the time limit was under 48 seconds. We ran the 300-yard shuttle — made up of six 50-yard sprints — took that small rest and got ready to do it again. By the end, your legs feel like Jell-O.

But the best is this:

If you play defense for Gregg Williams, his test is on the day of the first practice — in pads. Forty up-downs in full gear right after the team stretch (which are filmed and watched in meetings). Not fun in the Virginia heat and I can’t even imagine what it is like to do 40-up downs in pads down in New Orleans right now. And, don’t forget that you have a full two-hour practice to get through after you pass his test. By the time you get to 7-on-7 drills, your body is spent.

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So lets see, the Titans do this test every year. Guess where Albert played before coming to DC? Under Fisher, doing the same damn test.

And it looks like the Titans cut you some slack if you showed up for the offseason also.

And the Redskins old DC, Gregg Williams, under whom many of these guys on defense played (besides D-Hall who is the only knucklehead that could be in AH's corner) had the D do a test from hell. 40 updowns in full pads up here in July is not fun at all.

Albert has 0 leverage. He has burnt through his money, and clearly this is a pretty common practice amongst NFL teams.

Albert can run the test until he passes and participate and raise his trade value, or simply quit and the Redskins will go after his money and kill his career.

Its Albert's choice. But he isn't the one in charge here

Rampage

07-31-2010, 11:38 AM

so did he pass it today or is he 0 for 3?

Mansta54

07-31-2010, 11:41 AM

This situation and your entire franchise is embarrassing. Complete CIRCUS ACT!!!

SkinsHokieFan

07-31-2010, 11:52 AM

so did he pass it today or is he 0 for 3?

Didn't attempt today. Watched practice but didn't participate in drills.

Looks like he will go again tomorrow

Rampage

07-31-2010, 11:53 AM

Didn't attempt today. Watched practice but didn't participate in drills.

Looks like he will go again tomorrow
so he didn't even try it? That can't go over well with dictator Shanahahanan

RoyTheHammer

07-31-2010, 11:57 AM

Nay Mike is biting off more then he can chew this time.

Haynesworth could just keep doing the test and failing and the team can not cut him to recoup there money. If Mike Shanahan is trying to play a game of chicken he will lose. The way Mike is handling this it has some of the Redskins players starting to come out in defense of Haynesworth now.

If I were Albert's agent I would tell him to fake a hamstring pull next time out and watch Mike blow a gasket! Remember this is not the physical to determine if he can play football that all players have to go through it is Mike's own personal test that he wants him to past in order for him to practice.

Reports are not all Redskins players even had to take the same conditioning test.

Its a conditioning test. None of the other players decided they would skip the entire offseason and let their teammates down and act like a baby. So to say that its unfair cuz none of the other guys had to take it is ridiculous. You wana skip the entire offseason and cry? Well i think Mike is doing exactly what he should, showing that he won't put up with that crybaby attitude and making him prove that he's in as good of football shape as everyone else.

Honestly i don't think Shanahan gives any crap about the money or whatever. Its about the team, its about being a family, its about football. If Haynesworth wants to keep crying let him do it, if he finally wants to suck it up, pass the test and prove that he's taking the first step to being a good teammate again then Shanahan will have done his job. He cares about the team and winning. That's all, and he's doing nothing wrong.

I'll tell you for sure that if Albert was my teammate it would take a hell of alot more than one conditioning test for me to trust him or have any kind of a bond with him ever again. If Albert can't even get past step one to becoming one of the guys again then that's pretty sorry.

Skinsmaniac

07-31-2010, 01:02 PM

I think Shanahan is comfortable letting this take its natural course whether it takes 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months, or 2 years. If all Haynesworth cares about is the money and not working hard to get on the field, then there's no reason to let him practice or play. So taking a micro view of Haynesworth alone, the right move is to keep him out until he passes.

Looking a the macro view, this is still the right move. The other players know that if there is a rule, it can't be broken no matter how big their name or contract. It's good for the team as a whole.

bigE79

07-31-2010, 01:09 PM

This situation and your entire franchise is embarrassing. Complete CIRCUS ACT!!!:lmao2: :lmao: ...is it unlike anything we have seen in the entire history of that team?...what a joke

Joe Rod

07-31-2010, 01:48 PM

I thought the difference was obvious. It's not steering way off it's called giving a different point of view. Walking would not quite cut it. But how are you going to prove if he is giving less then 100% effor or faking injury?

So did I, which is why I am still baffled on why you said apples when the discussion was oranges. I never once said that he couldn't cut corners and not give it 100%. To simplify: Walking is bad, doing just enough to get by is good.

In your post you made it seem that he is hurting for money there are 26 million reasons that suggest he is not... and just because he has law suits dose not mean he is hurting. The thing with his Ex was for him to pay what was already mandated for her and his kids by her. Albert was probably late with a payment and she went nuts. That is not a big deal.

I never said he was hurting for money, but losing almost 15% of your overall guaranteed contract will indeed hurt him. Make no mistake, 6 million is a lot of money, even to a guy like Haynesworth and he could indeed use that cash to help settle his upcoming debts. Haynesworth with 6 million is much better off than Haynesworth minus that 6 million.

You mentioned a car accident in an effort to further illustrate that Albert is hurting for money. But why do you think people pay for auto insurance? Legally the maximum punishment is six months in jail and a $500 fine on the reckless driving charge and 30 days in jail and a $50 fine for the other charge.

I never mentioned criminal ramifications at all. He is being sued by someone in civil court for 7.5 million dollars for driving his ferrari like a maniac. Auto insurance policies have limits and they are normally quite low compared to what Haynesworth has in the bank. A one million dollar payout from an auto-insurance policy is literally unheard of with a privatly insured driver, but let's just say that Hayneworth has that. That still eaves him on the hook for 6.5 million if the guy wins the case.

Once again, six million dollars in Albert's pocket is better than in Dan Snyder's account because it will help Albert settle issues just like these. Will he be better off with the six mil in his wallet because it will help keep his financial portfolio better off after his legal matters are said and done? Yes, he will.

The women suing for paternity was not married to Haynesworth so there is no alimony involved. Alimony makes more of a dent in a pay check of a rich man then child support. Again we are talking child support so she is held financially culpable as well don't forget that. Haynesworth could set up a trust account for like a million (likely a lot less) for the kid and not many judges would turn that down. And lets not forget paternity test come back Murry style "You are not the father"..

Why are you just throwing stuff into the topic as if I posted it? This seems to be a recurring habit. I never mentioned alimony. Let's visit what I did mention; Child Support. Child support is pretty simplified in most states in that it is based on net income for a person with no consideration for living expenses. Let's simplify by saying that both kids live in Tennessee (one does). Those two kids can cost him 32% of his net income. That is waaaaaaaay more than 1 million dollars. Here is an expert from Tenn law:

Percentage of Net Income. After determining the net income of the obligor, that amount is to be rounded up to the next dollar. That amount is then multiplied by the percentage below that corresponds to the number of children for whom support is being set in the instant case. The percentages are:

No. of Children --- % of Income
1 --- 21%
2 --- 32%
3 --- 41%
4 --- 46%
5 or more --- 50%

For the record, the baby-mama is suing for $10 million and she will walk away. That is a large amount of his cash either way and much more than the 1 million you are suggesting.

This is why I suggest that Albert could play games too. Not that he will but he could.

What Mike is doing just might blow up in his face... If Albert pushes back! Will be fun to watch it all play out in Redskin land!

This won't blow up in Shanny's face because he was not the fool that signed Haynesworth to that contract. The guy that signed him already had it blow up in his face this past off-season. Shanny is right in showing the other players that he runs the show, not Haynesworth. He should run his sorry rump like he's never been run before.

dbair1967

07-31-2010, 01:58 PM

so he didn't even try it? That can't go over well with dictator Shanahahanan

he now has a swollen knee per BSPN

Apluz

07-31-2010, 02:22 PM

So many places you are wrong

Lets check with Jeff Fisher to see how incorrect you are

Never argued the point that Mike is requiring him to do the conditioning test. Jimmy use to require his players do similar test as well.

Unless wording about him passing a conditioning test is in his contract the Redskins will not be able to recoup any cash. If he passed a physical and team doctors said he is able to play then It's up to the coaches if he plays or not.

Apluz

07-31-2010, 04:53 PM

So did I, which is why I am still baffled on why you said apples when the discussion was oranges. I never once said that he couldn't cut corners and not give it 100%. To simplify: Walking is bad, doing just enough to get by is good.

Apples and Oranges? Please not that simple.

I said what might work because I though what the original poster said "walking" would not. The fact that we are still talking about it when we seem to agree on that point is on you... If you agreed with the point I made then you could of just said so from the start or not comment on it at all.

I never said he was hurting for money, but losing almost 15% of your overall guaranteed contract will indeed hurt him.

You implied it would hurt him and now you are saying it will so I took what you were saying as you obviously meant it. What is the point your trying to make here?

Make no mistake, 6 million is a lot of money, even to a guy like Haynesworth and he could indeed use that cash to help settle his upcoming debts. Haynesworth with 6 million is much better off than Haynesworth minus that 6 million.

I agree 6 million is a lot of cash... it's just not enough to put Hanysworth in finical ruin like you seem to be suggesting.

I never mentioned criminal ramifications at all. He is being sued by someone in civil court for 7.5 million dollars for driving his ferrari like a maniac. Auto insurance policies have limits and they are normally quite low compared to what Haynesworth has in the bank. A one million dollar payout from an auto-insurance policy is literally unheard of with a privatly insured driver, but let's just say that Hayneworth has that. That still eaves him on the hook for 6.5 million if the guy wins the case.

Good grief... hold a sec and lets get this straight. You can't dictate what is brought up in a conversation and what is not.

The criminal case has a dollar amount attach to it as well. The civil case needs to be heard Jon Perry has not won a thing yet. He could win more then he is asking for, less then he is asking for or nothing at all. This is the type of thing that usually gets settled out of court for a lot less then what is being asked for instead of being dragged out over a long period of time. From what I have read the dude needs money asap so I hope he gets a good deal.

Why are you just throwing stuff into the topic as if I posted it? This seems to be a recurring habit. I never mentioned alimony.

Remember what I said in my last reply? However you mentioned his Ex wife and I was saying how alimony can dent a pay check more then child support, although it is reported that his Ex didn't get a lump sum or alimony.

Let's visit what I did mention; Child Support. Child support is pretty simplified in most states in that it is based on net income for a person with no consideration for living expenses. Let's simplify by saying that both kids live in Tennessee (one does). Those two kids can cost him 32% of his net income. That is waaaaaaaay more than 1 million dollars. Here is an expert from Tenn law:

I speak from experience on this one, in every state that I know of they based support on income, expenses and the needs of the children as a guild line for a support order. The parrents could come to an aggrement before the courts get invoulved as well. Click on this link for an example Child Support Calculation Information (http://family.findlaw.com/child-support/support-help/le18_8_1.html?DCMP=KNC-Child-Support&HBX_PK=child+support+calculator&HBX_OU=50). Judges have a lot of leeway in this and most would be willing to except a substantial trust in the kids name.

Not to mention that Hanysworth could file for joint custody win and potentially not have to pay any support.

For the record, the baby-mama is suing for $10 million and she will walk away. That is a large amount of his cash either way and much more than the 1 million you are suggesting.

Don't get it twisted she could be suing for 50 million dollars it dose not mean she will win anything close to what she is asking for.

You might be surprised at how many gold digging strippers that try to trap a Richy end up with nothing close to what they though they were going to nab off a fella.... um for the kid. And this one could still end up Murry style "You are not the father".

This won't blow up in Shanny's face because he was not the fool that signed Haynesworth to that contract. The guy that signed him already had it blow up in his face this past off-season.

It may not blow up in his face but it could. And this argument has no merit you know that right? As long as Haynesworth is on the team Coach has to deal with him and his contract. Who signed him to the deal is irrelevant.

Shanny is right in showing the other players that he runs the show, not Haynesworth. He should run his sorry rump like he's never been run before.

Lol seems Haynesworth is no dummy. Knee swelling today a hammy tommorow bla bla bla... Pass me the popcorn will ya!

BraveHeartFan

07-31-2010, 05:03 PM

I can't help but laugh cause this guy has always been a joke and will always be a joke.

If people didn't learn from his first few years in the league that he only shows up to play hard when a contract is up to be signed and then the rest of the time is just a lazy piece of crap then I don't know who you've been watching.

The guy is lazy, always has been and always will be, and was never worth the amount of money they wasted bringing him in.

But I'm sure glad it was the Redskins who did waste the money. The only thing that could have been better is if the Eagles had been the ones wasting their money.

Joe Rod

07-31-2010, 11:24 PM

Apples and Oranges? Please not that simple.

I said what might work because I though what the original poster said "walking" would not. The fact that we are still talking about it when we seem to agree on that point is on you... If you agreed with the point I made then you could of just said so from the start or not comment on it at all.

I was the original poster. I reread your post and I still don't feel that it reads the way you say it does, but if this is how you intended it to be, then okay, I'm good.

You implied it would hurt him and now you are saying it will so I took what you were saying as you obviously meant it. What is the point your trying to make here?

One that I'm never going to be able to get across to you apparantly. It was fun trying, though.

I agree 6 million is a lot of cash... it's just not enough to put Hanysworth in finical ruin like you seem to be suggesting.

I don't know if you maybe watched too much Star Wars and hung out at comic-con enough to think that this actually works, but it doesn't.

Good grief... hold a sec and lets get this straight. You can't dictate what is brought up in a conversation and what is not.

Well, technically I can since I can hit the ignore button on anyone I choose. Listen, I could care less about what you introduce to this forum, I just don't want to be attached to it if I did not imply it. That is all.

The criminal case has a dollar amount attach to it as well. The civil case needs to be heard Jon Perry has not won a thing yet. He could win more then he is asking for, less then he is asking for or nothing at all. This is the type of thing that usually gets settled out of court for a lot less then what is being asked for instead of being dragged out over a long period of time. From what I have read the dude needs money asap so I hope he gets a good deal.

Okay, thanks?

Remember what I said in my last reply? However you mentioned his Ex wife and I was saying how alimony can dent a pay check more then child support, although it is reported that his Ex didn't get a lump sum or alimony.

So, in summary: My mentioning his ex-wife suing for child support somehow prompted you to throw in spousal support where you could argue with yourself about how his ex is not entitled? Okay, got it. Makes perfect sense now that you put it that way.

I speak from experience on this one, in every state that I know of they based support on income, expenses and the needs of the children as a guild line for a support order. The parrents could come to an aggrement before the courts get invoulved as well. Click on this link for an example Child Support Calculation Information (http://family.findlaw.com/child-support/support-help/le18_8_1.html?DCMP=KNC-Child-Support&HBX_PK=child+support+calculator&HBX_OU=50). Judges have a lot of leeway in this and most would be willing to except a substantial trust in the kids name.

Not to mention that Hanysworth could file for joint custody win and potentially not have to pay any support.

Haynesworth could certainly go for joint custody if he wanted to get more involved in his children's lives. But, given Haynesworth's current Financial situation, no judge is going to rule for a one million dollar trust and no mother of his children will agree to it knowing how much Haynesworth makes. Tennesse would not consider expenses unless they were considered "extraordinary" like a Medical situation.

Don't get it twisted she could be suing for 50 million dollars it dose not mean she will win anything close to what she is asking for.

You might be surprised at how many gold digging strippers that try to trap a Richy end up with nothing close to what they though they were going to nab off a fella.... um for the kid. And this one could still end up Murry style "You are not the father".

For all you know, I may be a Gold Digging Stripper, so I might be well versed on the topic. Big difference in not getting 50 million and settling for one million like you were suggesting. He should pay what is owed based on the law if the baby is his.

It may not blow up in his face but it could. And this argument has no merit you know that right? As long as Haynesworth is on the team Coach has to deal with him and his contract. Who signed him to the deal is irrelevant.

I never said he did not have to deal with Haynesworth or his contract but I will certainly support your argument about it if you would like.

Lol seems Haynesworth is no dummy. Knee swelling today a hammy tommorow bla bla bla... Pass me the popcorn will ya!

Believe me, I already ate it while reading your posts.

Mansta54

07-31-2010, 11:41 PM

Didn't attempt today. Watched practice but didn't participate in drills.

Looks like he will go again tomorrow

He didn't take the test today because he has a SWOLLEN KNEE. Tell the entire story....:rolleyes:

Apluz

08-01-2010, 01:58 AM

One that I'm never going to be able to get across to you apparantly. It was fun trying, though.

That's because up until your last post you could argue that you never actually said what you meant. You had no point to make you were just tossing a Frisbee around blindly.

I claimed you were implying that Haynesworth is hurting financially you choose to argue that obvious point by stating you never actually said that ( which was true ) in the same sentence you admit that is how you felt... .... .... Ok keep the popcorn you got any more of that stuff you were maybe smoking before the munchies set in?

Well, technically I can since I can hit the ignore button on anyone I choose. Listen, I could care less about what you introduce to this forum, I just don't want to be attached to it if I did not imply it. That is all.

Playing ostrich and burying your head in the sand gives you control over what you see not over what is said. If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is.... ahh never mind.

For all you know, I may be a Gold Digging Stripper, so I might be well versed on the topic. Big difference in not getting 50 million and settling for one million like you were suggesting. He should pay what is owed based on the law if the baby is his.

The stripper suing Albert likely is gold digging. Albert was stupid enough to put himself in this situation so it would serve him right if she was awarded 10 million. But it never works like that if he is the father then he will likely just get a court order for support. LOL 10 million dollar babies go find you a richy Joe Rod get paid!

I never said he did not have to deal with Haynesworth or his contract but I will certainly support your argument about it if you would like.

Not again with the I never said that nonsense. Any reasonable person would take that what you meant by the statement below is you felt because Shanny was not the fool who signed Albert to his contract he was some how exempted from the situation (that he is partly instigating) blowing up in his face.

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Originally Posted by Joe Rod
This won't blow up in Shanny's face because he was not the fool that signed Haynesworth to that contract. The guy that signed him already had it blow up in his face this past off-season.

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Like I said Mike has to deal with Albert and his contract. This thing could indeed blow up in his face if Albert pushed back. And the Redskins would likely still be on the hook for his contract if he was smart about it.

If your angling for the last word on this then go ahead an get your parting shot in I will not respond.

MarionBarberThe4th

08-01-2010, 06:46 AM

Adam_Schefter

For the second straight day, Albert Haynesworth will not take the conditioning test. For fourth straight day, he won't practice.

Im sorry but I hope the Redskins get their money back. This guy is just disguisting and a thief.

Joe Rod

08-01-2010, 07:37 AM

That's because up until your last post you could argue that you never actually said what you meant. You had no point to make you were just tossing a Frisbee around blindly.

I have no doubt you argued this long into the night with yourself, but it is not so.

I claimed you were implying that Haynesworth is hurting financially you choose to argue that obvious point by stating you never actually said that ( which was true ) in the same sentence you admit that is how you felt... .... .... Ok keep the popcorn you got any more of that stuff you were maybe smoking before the munchies set in?

You honestly don't know what is wrong with this statement, do you? The whole entire statement. Pure awesomeness (that should not be interpreted as a compliment towards you, by the way).

Playing ostrich and burying your head in the sand gives you control over what you see not over what is said. If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is.... ahh never mind.

Interesting that you post the first sentence, since it could be argued that what you have posted flaunts the topics and instead spurns debate with yourself. This is win number two (probably not for the reasons you posted it, though)

The stripper suing Albert likely is gold digging. Albert was stupid enough to put himself in this situation so it would serve him right if she was awarded 10 million. But it never works like that if he is the father then he will likely just get a court order for support. LOL 10 million dollar babies go find you a richy Joe Rod get paid!

Ignoring the 1 million dollar claim you made to try and attack a solid dollar figure introduced into the court? I simply posted it to support how "off the wall" your claim of settling for 1 million dollars was, particularly when it comes to Child support.

Not again with the I never said that nonsense. Any reasonable person would take that what you meant by the statement below is you felt because Shanny was not the fool who signed Albert to his contract he was some how exempted from the situation (that he is partly instigating) blowing up in his face.

Originally Posted by Joe Rod
This won't blow up in Shanny's face because he was not the fool that signed Haynesworth to that contract. The guy that signed him already had it blow up in his face this past off-season.

It reads exactly how I intended it. The way Shanahan is handling Haynesworth will not blow up in his face and the contract is on Snyder. That does not at all imply that I feel Shanahan does not have to deal with Haynesworth. In fact, it supports that he is already dealing with Haynesworth in the manner he sees fit.

You introduced the notion that I indicated he did not have to deal with Haynesworth at all. Interesting that you have been doing stuff like this for the duration of our debate and still manage to infuse a "reasonable person" blurb to insinuate that you are such a person.

Like I said Mike has to deal with Albert and his contract. This thing could indeed blow up in his face if Albert pushed back. And the Redskins would likely still be on the hook for his contract if he was smart about it.

Yet again, "like I said". You have been making points and couterpoints against yourself while attempting to infuse it as my opinion. If you want to converse with yourself (and I've no doubt that you do it frequently), then create another user account.

If your angling for the last word on this then go ahead an get your parting shot in I will not respond.

Yes you will. I actually just laid a small wager that you would. You need this debate to help sort out the voices in your head. It calls to you.

Rampage

08-02-2010, 08:49 AM

3 days in a row now that he hasn't taken the test

HoleInTheRoof

08-02-2010, 09:13 AM

3 days in a row now that he hasn't taken the test

I love it.

Apluz

08-02-2010, 01:57 PM

I love it.

Me too. He will probably end up doing the thing but not until a good portion of the Skins Training Camp has passed.

chicago JK

08-02-2010, 02:32 PM

Supposedly a 61 year old passed the test. I am awaiting confirmation if the 61 year old was a skins running back....but I believe he was a reporter.

Apluz

08-02-2010, 02:40 PM

I think Mike on Mike and Mike is going to do it as well.

BraveHeartFan

08-02-2010, 03:23 PM

And he continues to be that non-distraction he promised to be when he returned.

Way to go Albert.

Apluz

08-02-2010, 03:35 PM

And he continues to be that non-distraction he promised to be when he returned.

Way to go Albert.

Perfect timing to take over Dez padgate BS that was dominating the airwaves. The fact that it is the Redskins is just a bonus.

UnoDallas

08-02-2010, 10:37 PM

Golic did it

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/70810/

Mike Golic, the 47-year-old former NFL defensive tackle who's now an ESPN commentator, took the test on ESPN's NFL Live. Golic completed the two 300-yard shuttle runs in exactly the allotted time of 70 seconds for the first run and 73 seconds for the second.

ESPN may have given Golic a bit of a break: He actually looked like he took a head start on the first run, and it was inconclusive whether he crossed the finish line in time. But Golic did pass according to the stopwatch being held by his radio co-host Mike Greenberg, and afterward he said he was unimpressed with Albert Haynesworth (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2636)'s inability to pass the same test.

"Albert Haynesworth (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2636) should have made this test -- he should have made this test," Golic said. "You have to come in and they have to see if you're in shape, and he wasn't able to do it. That's a big problem."

I'm not sure how big a problem it really is for a defensive tackle to be too slow to complete two 300-yard shuttle runs, but when people like Golic (and me) are passing the test that Haynesworth can't, that gives Redskins coach Mike Shanahan ammunition in his public battle with his $100 million defensive tackle

Apluz

08-02-2010, 11:08 PM

I'm not sure how big a problem it really is for a defensive tackle to be too slow to complete two 300-yard shuttle runs, but when people like Golic (and me) are passing the test that Haynesworth can't, that gives Redskins coach Mike Shanahan ammunition in his public battle with his $100 million defensive tackle

It's a battle of wills between Mike and Albert. Haynesworth is lazy so there is really no motivation for him to pass the test if not passing it gets him out of practice.

One of them (Mike or Albert) will have to give at some point, I think that will be Albert but I'm sure training camp will be halfway over by then.

SaltwaterServr

08-02-2010, 11:40 PM

It's a battle of wills between Mike and Albert. Haynesworth is lazy so there is really no motivation for him to pass the test if not passing it gets him out of practice.

One of them (Mike or Albert) will have to give at some point, I think that will be Albert but I'm sure training camp will be halfway over by then.

Sounds like Shanahan is starting to capitulate publicly. NFL Network's ticker was running a quote from Shanahan that said Fat Al could practice even if he doesn't pass the conditioning test.

Gotta wonder if Snyder had anything to do with that latest statement.

romo2to

08-03-2010, 01:01 AM

Apluz

08-03-2010, 02:08 AM

Sounds like Shanahan is starting to capitulate publicly. NFL Network's ticker was running a quote from Shanahan that said Fat Al could practice even if he doesn't pass the conditioning test.

Gotta wonder if Snyder had anything to do with that latest statement.

I would guess that Snyder is meddling at least a little bit because Mike don't back down often. Even though this was a battle I didn't think Mike could win if Haynesworth pushed back it dose not look good if he back tracks on what he said.

Haynesworth is there best D-line player so letting him play is better then letting him skate by... IMO Mike should of had the foresight to know that ol Albert would put it on the shelf if he took this course of action.

Rampage

08-03-2010, 09:25 AM

4th day in a row he hasn't taken the test.

Apluz

08-06-2010, 01:26 PM

Haynesworth misses over a weeks worth of training camp so the team decides to do an MRI on his knee, and to the shock of all there is no structural damage.

Haynesworth could drag this out thru all of traning camp but I expect him to pass the test soon. Reports are he now likes how Haslett plans to use him in the defensive scheme.

Karma would be that once he starts training for real he actually dose injure himself!

BraveHeartFan

08-07-2010, 12:44 AM

This is nothing more than Shanahan punishing Haynesworth for missing OTAs.

Make him run that when he's a Defensive Linemen is a complete waste considering d-linemen don't run 300 yards every play or hardly ever anyways.

Oh you mean there are other positions that do run 300 yards on every play?

By what you're saying there then you're saying it's a waste of time for any player to run this test, correct?

I mean there isn't a single player in the entire league who runs 300 yards on a single play.

It's a conditioning test. It's nothing revolutionary and it's something similiar to that of what pretty much every team out there does.

Fat Al is just a fat, lazy, useless sack of crap and he doesn't want to have to work hard so he's never in shape and never wants to do the things you're supposed to be willing to do in order to be the best.

SkinsHokieFan

08-07-2010, 09:14 AM

Our long national nightmare is over

RickMaese

Confirmed: Haynesworth passed the test this morning.
less than 10 seconds ago via TweetDeck
http://twitter.com/RickMaese/status/20545452181

Mansta54

08-07-2010, 09:22 AM

Our long national nightmare is over

RickMaese

Confirmed: Haynesworth passed the test this morning.
less than 10 seconds ago via TweetDeck
http://twitter.com/RickMaese/status/20545452181

Something else will start up in your camp before the week is out. The CIRCUS continues.. Stay tuned!!!!

SkinsHokieFan

08-07-2010, 09:39 AM

Something else will start up in your camp before the week is out. The CIRCUS continues.. Stay tuned!!!!

Julius Peppers and TO will be Redskins

dbair1967

08-07-2010, 10:01 AM

And low and behold, he finally passes.

ASHBURN, Va. -- Albert Haynesworth has finally passed the Washington Redskins' conditioning test.

Haynesworth arrived early Saturday at Redskins Park and completed both 300-yard shuttle runs in the required times, ending a soap opera that had overshadowed training camp. He ran the tests in 66 and 70 seconds.

Haynesworth's success came on the 10th day of camp, and it meant he would be allowed to put on pads with his teammates for the first time. Coach Mike Shanahan had said Haynesworth could not practice until passing the test, and the showdown was seen by many as a statement of a new coach's uncompromising authority that wouldn't bend -- even for a two-time All-Pro with a $100 million contract.

Shanahan bristled Friday when asked by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley if he regretted how Haynesworth's conditioning test had become somewhat of a "circus."

"There has been no circus here at all," Shanahan told ESPN.com. "Our guys are coming here and getting down to business."

Haynesworth was the only Redskins player who had to take the test, a requirement because he was absent from the team's offseason conditioning program. He stayed away because he preferred to work with his own trainer and because he wanted to be traded, having made known his unhappiness with the team's switch to a 3-4 defense.

He failed the test on the first two days of camp, and a sore knee hampered his efforts during the past week.

Haynesworth had skipped the test for a fourth straight day Friday and missed nearly all of another practice, a day after a precautionary MRI exam showed no structural damage on his sore left knee.

He started the test Monday but stopped when the knee acted up. The knee has bothered Haynesworth for several years.

Haynesworth's absence from a mandatory minicamp in June riled many teammates -- including some who openly called him "selfish" -- and he will need to finish re-establishing any fractured locker room bonds as he returns from sideline exile.

Haynesworth failed the test on the first day of camp because he took an extended bathroom break after the first run. The two runs are supposed to be completed 3½ minutes apart, but Haynesworth was gone for 10 minutes.

He failed the test on the second day, as well, when he posted an inadequate time.

Haynesworth's will-he-or-won't-he became a national spectacle, and it became vogue for pundits, reporters and fans to attempt what has become known as the "Haynesworth conditioning test." A minor league baseball team in North Carolina has made it part of an upcoming promotion, offering season tickets for the rest of the year to anyone who can pass it.

To pass, Hayneworth had to complete the first run in 70 seconds or less, the second run in 73 seconds or less. Each run consists of 12 back-and-forth 25-yard sprints.

Haynesworth, meanwhile, had been reduced to standing to the side during practices, watching drills with a play sheet in his hand. He also has been staying after practice to walk through plays with assistant coaches to help him brush up on a defensive scheme he tried to avoid for so long.

Haynesworth shunned the 3-4 because he didn't want to play nose tackle, a position he felt wouldn't give him the freedom to make the plays that turned him into a defensive force in seven seasons with the Tennessee Titans. But Haynesworth showed up at camp looking perhaps 30 pounds lighter, making it easier for the Redskins to use him extensively at defensive end as well as nose tackle. The team also signed veteran nose tackle Ma'ake Kemoeatu, taking the pressure off Haynesworth to carry the load at that position.

Shanahan has said Haynesworth would start working with the backups after passing the test. Saturday's practice was scheduled for the afternoon as part of the team's annual Fan Appreciation Day.

Haynesworth signed a seven-year contract with $41 million in guaranteed money when he joined as a free agent with the Redskins last year, but he was a disappointment in 2009 because of his fitness and performance. Several injuries frequently kept him from practicing during the season and caused him to miss four games.