UFC 117 Silva vs Sonnen

[CATCH17]

Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen

Thiago Alves vs Jon Fitch

Clay Guida vs Rafael Dos Anjos

Ricardo Almeida vs Matt Hughes

Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson

Ben Saunders vs Dennis Hallman

Dustin Hazelett vs Rick Story

Johny Hendricks vs Charlie Brenneman

Stefan Struve vs Christian Morecraft

Phil Davis vs Rodney Wallace

[CATCH17]

Everyone seems to hate Anderson Silva now but I hope he knocks this guy out.

Sonnen is just talking way to much crap.


The rest of the fights are really good. Im rooting for Roy Nelson to beat Dos Santos too.

Alves vs Fitch should be a good one too.

[Rampage]

Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen

Thiago Alves vs Jon Fitch

Clay Guida vs Rafael Dos Anjos

Ricardo Almeida vs Matt Hughes

Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson

Ben Saunders vs Dennis Hallman

Dustin Hazelett vs Rick Story

Johny Hendricks vs Charlie Brenneman

Stefan Struve vs Christian Morecraft

Phil Davis vs Rodney Wallace

My picks in bold. I hope Anderson breaks Sonnen's jaw and knocks him out cold with a flying knee.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Im rooting for Silva b/c this isnt the guy to beat him.

I want Silva to win and get re-energized and put on weight for Bones Jones or something sick like that

I cant believe Roy Nelson is like 2 fights away from Lesnar. But Ill root for him I guess

Ill take Alves too

[Bonecrusher#31]

Everyone seems to hate Anderson Silva now but I hope he knocks this guy out.

Sonnen is just talking way to much crap.


The rest of the fights are really good. Im rooting for Roy Nelson to beat Dos Santos too.

Alves vs Fitch should be a good one too.


Not me I luv the cat I especially like the way he made that overrated scrub Forrest Griffin look :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:

[CATCH17]

Im rooting for Silva b/c this isnt the guy to beat him.

I want Silva to win and get re-energized and put on weight for Bones Jones or something sick like that

I cant believe Roy Nelson is like 2 fights away from Lesnar. But Ill root for him I guess

Ill take Alves too

I said this in another thread but I will pay for an entire PPV to see that fight.

But I won't tell my friends that.




The only chance Sonnen has is to lay and pray and even that probably wouldn't be enough.

Is Sonnen on the Dan Henderson's level that Silva fought? I think not. They are basically the same style of fighter too.

[Rampage]

I said this in another thread but I will pay for an entire PPV to see that fight.

But I won't tell my friends that.




The only chance Sonnen has is to lay and pray and even that probably wouldn't be enough.

Is Sonnen on the Dan Henderson's level that Silva fought? I think not. They are basically the same style of fighter too.
except Sonnen doesn't pack that mean right hand that Hendo has or the sub defense.

[Fletch]

My picks in bold. I hope Anderson breaks Sonnen's jaw and knocks him out cold with a flying knee.

I was kinda hopin Sonnen would break Anderson's jaw.

[TheDallasDon]

damn roy has a hell of a chin

[CATCH17]

Roy Nelson is one of my favorite fighters.

[TheDallasDon]

Roy Nelson is one of my favorite fighters.
Even though I hate joe rogan's comentary he is right about Roy if he got in better shape and mabey get down 2 205 he would be alot better

[Rampage]

Hughes just sonned Ricardo:laugh2:

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Man, I thought channelsurfing.net was reliable. Anything good out there where I dont have to download anything. OK, Ill download something.....

[Rampage]

Man, I thought channelsurfing.net was reliable. Anything good out there where I dont have to download anything. OK, Ill download something.....
go to the last link on channelsurfing and download veetle. it's safe and is perfect quality. go fullscreen.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

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Good looks


The very first image I saw was Guida getting up and celebrating.

Im fine w/ missing that fight, he doesnt interest me

[Rampage]

Good looks


The very first image I saw was Guida getting up and celebrating.

Im fine w/ missing that fight, he doesnt interest me
yeah I don't like guida either. I don't know why he's so popular.

[Rampage]

war Struve!

[Jed_70]

Sonnen has controlled this fight from start to finish. I liked his chances coming in but I didn't expect complete domination.

[Jed_70]

Whoa, controversy.

I thought he tapped as well. Damn so close.

Sonnen was 2 minutes from the belt.

[numnuts23]

Well crap....assuming there will be a Silva Sonnen II

[Jed_70]

Well crap....assuming there will be a Silva Sonnen II

There should be. Luckily Dana White runs this sport and will make it happen. Unlike in boxing where it takes an act of congress to put together the top fighters.

[CATCH17]

Oh... My.... Gosh....

[BigWillie]

I admit, I absolutely hated Sonnen and some of the things he said going into this fight. Regardless of what he said outside the cage, the dude just earned an infinite amount of respect in the cage. And one of those guys he earned respect from is me.

Honestly, I thought Chael had no business being in the cage with Silva. I thought he even deserved to be a bigger 'dog' going into this fight than he was. But man, Sonnen absolutely brought it to Anderson for 4 1/2 rounds.

But Silva - there is a reason that guy is the champion he is. To get absolutely hammered for as long and as much as he did, and he hung in there. He ate so many shots, as if it didn't faze him. When he had his opportunities on the feet, he swung - HARD.

Honestly, this boiled down to Sonnen getting absolutely lazy. Sonnen had been getting low in Silva's guard for about a minute or so before the triangle. Silva had been controlling that right wrist of Sonnen's for quite a while, hunting for a triangle or armbar. When Sonnen had gotten so low in Silva's guard, and even postured up a bit, it was a matter of when Silva was going to try it.

Basically, Sonnen invited that submission and Silva was happy to oblige.

If Sonnen stays on top of Silva, puts his head in Silva's chest and a forearm in his throat, he cruises to an easy 50-45 victory.

Incredible fight from both guys though.

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And I should add, if the next fight for both of these guys isn't a rematch, Joe Silva and Dana need their head checked. No one at 185 can put on the fight with Silva like Sonnen did tonight.

[Ren]

There's no one else for Silva to fight in MW that division is a joke, there will be a rematch. Silva was finally in a fight he couldn't dance his way out of

[Bonecrusher#31]

Silva proves it again. Thank goodness:bow:

[CATCH17]

There should be. Luckily Dana White runs this sport and will make it happen. Unlike in boxing where it takes an act of congress to put together the top fighters.

Oh Silva will just fight wrestlers who have bigger names now.

I expect his next fight will be from this group of fighters.

Jon Jones

GSP

Jake Shields

Rampage

Winner of Evans / Shogun

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I was thinking there was almost no way Silva could get up and KO him out in 2 minutes. And I pretty much dismissed the chance at a triangle and/or armbar b/c that would take real sloppiness from Sonnen

derp

[MarionBarberThe4th]

How long would it take Silva to jump up in weight?

[CATCH17]

How long would it take Silva to jump up in weight?

Not very long.

I heard he walks around at 225 and stays around 200 between middle weight fights.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

"Set. that. ****. up!"

http://www.jlcauvin.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/kenny-150x150.jpg

[Jed_70]

I admit, I absolutely hated Sonnen and some of the things he said going into this fight. Regardless of what he said outside the cage, the dude just earned an infinite amount of respect in the cage. And one of those guys he earned respect from is me.

Honestly, I thought Chael had no business being in the cage with Silva. I thought he even deserved to be a bigger 'dog' going into this fight than he was. But man, Sonnen absolutely brought it to Anderson for 4 1/2 rounds.

But Silva - there is a reason that guy is the champion he is. To get absolutely hammered for as long and as much as he did, and he hung in there. He ate so many shots, as if it didn't faze him. When he had his opportunities on the feet, he swung - HARD.

Honestly, this boiled down to Sonnen getting absolutely lazy. Sonnen had been getting low in Silva's guard for about a minute or so before the triangle. Silva had been controlling that right wrist of Sonnen's for quite a while, hunting for a triangle or armbar. When Sonnen had gotten so low in Silva's guard, and even postured up a bit, it was a matter of when Silva was going to try it.

Basically, Sonnen invited that submission and Silva was happy to oblige.

If Sonnen stays on top of Silva, puts his head in Silva's chest and a forearm in his throat, he cruises to an easy 50-45 victory.

Incredible fight from both guys though.

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And I should add, if the next fight for both of these guys isn't a rematch, Joe Silva and Dana need their head checked. No one at 185 can put on the fight with Silva like Sonnen did tonight.

There were a couple of instances earlier in the fight where Sonnen got a bit sloppy while on top of Silva. It finally came back and bite him in the butt in the 5th.

Also, was it just me or did it look like Silva willingly took multiple shots to the chin early in the fight.

Silva is known for his quickness but early in the fight he took a number of direct shots from Sonnen. It appeared to me like he was just sticking his chin out there as if to say -- I'll let you hit it but you can't knock me out.

They were punches that you normally see Sliva dodge with ease. After the fight he mentioned he had a rib injury coming into the fight. Maybe that had something to do with it.

[CATCH17]

There were a couple of instances earlier in the fight where Sonnen got a bit sloppy while on top of Silva. It finally came back and bite him in the butt in the 5th.

Also, was it just me or did it look like Silva willingly took multiple shots to the chin early in the fight.

Silva is known for his quickness but early in the fight he took a number of direct shots from Sonnen. It appeared to me like he was just sticking his chin out there as if to say -- I'll let you hit it but you can't knock me out.

They were punches that you normally see Sliva dodge with ease. After the fight he mentioned he had a rib injury coming into the fight. Maybe that had something to do with it.

Silva never could get his timing down.

Give credit to Sonnen for that though.

Usually Silva plays around with his opponent for at least a minute before he knocks them out.

Sonnen never gave him that chance.

[BigWillie]

There were a couple of instances earlier in the fight where Sonnen got a bit sloppy while on top of Silva. It finally came back and bite him in the butt in the 5th.

Also, was it just me or did it look like Silva willingly took multiple shots to the chin early in the fight.

Silva is known for his quickness but early in the fight he took a number of direct shots from Sonnen. It appeared to me like he was just sticking his chin out there as if to say -- I'll let you hit it but you can't knock me out.

They were punches that you normally see Sliva dodge with ease. After the fight he mentioned he had a rib injury coming into the fight. Maybe that had something to do with it.

Not really.

Sonnen was content with sinking his nose into Silva's chest from full or half guard. When he postured, he only half-postured and kept both arms in that did not allow Silva to throw his legs up.

Silva was able to get butterfly guard quite a bit tonight as well, but Silva could do nothing with it. Sonnen was relentless in putting his weight down on top of Silva limiting dang near anything.

Looking back, Sonnen has improved his submission defense an insane amount from where he was to where he is. His top control absolutely limited Silva's ground game.

Sonnen was able to get his body wide enough to even limit Silva's ability to get his usual body triangle. The fighters who have been able to get Silva to the ground usually have gotten into Silva's body triangle which limited their GnP ability. Tonight, I think Silva was only able to do it once.

Not surprising Silva was able to walk through those shots though. Silva routinely trains without head gear even with guys like the Nog's, Machida, JDS, and Aldo who train with him regularly. His teammates have always praised his ability to take a shot.

[TheCount]

They were punches that you normally see Sliva dodge with ease. After the fight he mentioned he had a rib injury coming into the fight. Maybe that had something to do with it.

I've watched a couple of videos of Silva training, and he regularly allows fighters to hit him in the face. This was the first time I've ever seen him wobbled by a punch though.

Silva is much more slick when he isn't worried about being taken down. When a wrestler is going to shoot on you if you put your weight back like you need to, to bob and weave, you're more likely to prefer taking/blocking the punches than completely giving up your base.

Looking back, Sonnen has improved his submission defense an insane amount from where he was to where he is. His top control absolutely limited Silva's ground game.

Silva's ground game usually consists of exactly what he did tonight, lay on his back, look for triangles and chokes or lock on the body triangle and throw elbows before looking for some kind of lock.

The body triangle was useless against Chael because he prefers to attack you from your guard anyway, so we didn't see a lot of that.

I was almost positive it would end with Chael losing by Submission, the only thing that surprised me was how long it took.

Silva has only lost once by decision ever, I didn't see Chael making it two. Meanwhile 70% of Chael's losses have been by submission and a lot of his wins come by decision.

The numbers weren't in his favor.


On another note, can someone please get jon fitch out of the damn UFC. Imagine this guy as champion? 25 minutes every fight of just laying on top of a guy.

Just wait till the MMA game catches up to wrestlers like it caught up to Jui Jitsu guys, once people start training takedown defense from day one, all these guys that can't finish a fight (or don't even try) are going to get abused.

[Rampage]

Anderson never took Chael seriously. he was training with Steven Seagal for this fight(if you don't believe me search youtube). he needs to get back to the Anderson who didn't **** around like when he 1st came into the UFC. I expect to see the old Anderson Silva in his next fight.

[TheCount]

Anderson never took Chael seriously. he was training with Steven Seagal for this fight(if you don't believe me search youtube). he needs to get back to the Anderson who didn't **** around like when he 1st came into the UFC. I expect to see the old Anderson Silva in his next fight.

Yeah after this *** whoppin', I don't think you'll see a lot of dancing from Anderson in the immediate future.

[BraveHeartFan]

yeah I don't like guida either. I don't know why he's so popular.

WHAT! I can't believe you don't like Guida. Whats not to like about a guy who pushes the pace the WHOLE FIGHT and is always looking to keep the pace fast and exciting?

I love watching that guy fight. I'm surprised you don't cause we usually seem to like the same guys in MMA. :)

There's no one else for Silva to fight in MW that division is a joke, there will be a rematch. Silva was finally in a fight he couldn't dance his way out of

Dana has mentioned the fact that Belfort could be next cause he was supposed to get the shot when they had to plug in Damien, due to Belfort being injured.

Though he did mention that Sonnen could easily get a rematch cause he was so pleased with the fight on Saturday night.

His next MW fight will be one of those two guys, without a doubt.


Silva proves it again. Thank goodness:bow:

Yep. They can trash talk all they want about him but he simply wins. He out classes folks, he knocks out folks, he submits folks, he even proved Saturday night that he could be beaten up, dominated, and still stay calm and cool and pull out the W.

He's the best pound for pound in the world, IMO.


Oh Silva will just fight wrestlers who have bigger names now.

I expect his next fight will be from this group of fighters.

Jon Jones

GSP

Jake Shields

Rampage

Winner of Evans / Shogun

Those fights are no doubt coming up. I agree with you there. But I do believe he'll fight Sonnen again and he'll fight Belfort as well.


There were a couple of instances earlier in the fight where Sonnen got a bit sloppy while on top of Silva. It finally came back and bite him in the butt in the 5th.

Also, was it just me or did it look like Silva willingly took multiple shots to the chin early in the fight.

Silva is known for his quickness but early in the fight he took a number of direct shots from Sonnen. It appeared to me like he was just sticking his chin out there as if to say -- I'll let you hit it but you can't knock me out.

They were punches that you normally see Sliva dodge with ease. After the fight he mentioned he had a rib injury coming into the fight. Maybe that had something to do with it.

I got that idea as well. I also got that feeling with some of the stuff when he was on the ground that rather than use energy to try and continue to keep CHael from hitting him that he took a few shots with no real worry.

I think it was pretty clear to Silva after the one really solid shot that Chael landed in the first round that Chael simply didn't have enough power to KO him so he wasn't really worried about being KO'd.

As for the ribs I didn't know, till after the fight obviously, that they were hurt coming in but I knew they were hurting him during the fight cause between a couple of the rounds he was clearly holding them and was obviously in pain. I figured it must have happened during the fight when I saw that.

Big props to him to fight through that sort of pain, rib injuries are pretty painful even when they're just bruised, no matter rather it was before the fight or happened during the fight.


Chael was pretty impressive though, and I'll give him massive credit for that. He backed up all of his talk and I was impressed by that.


Anderson never took Chael seriously. he was training with Steven Seagal for this fight(if you don't believe me search youtube). he needs to get back to the Anderson who didn't **** around like when he 1st came into the UFC. I expect to see the old Anderson Silva in his next fight.

Exactly.

Chael blew his one solid shot at defeating him. He missed it on Saturday. A lot of people will be seriously disappointed in the rematch, if they expect Chael to win or do what he did this time, cause Anderson will take him completely serious next time and he'll be ready to KO Chael immediately, rather than mess with him.

The second fight I'm afraid, my personal opinion of course so I reconize the fact that I could easily be completely wrong about this, will not be nearly as exciting and will leave the Silva haters extremely disappointed.

[BigWillie]

Silva's ground game usually consists of exactly what he did tonight, lay on his back, look for triangles and chokes or lock on the body triangle and throw elbows before looking for some kind of lock.

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The body triangle was useless against Chael because he prefers to attack you from your guard anyway, so we didn't see a lot of that.

Really dissected a ground game there, huh? :laugh2:

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The body triangle is extremely useful against anyone, especially a wrestler.

If you have eve had the joy of being put in a body triangle, you know the restriction in ability you have. Especially the ability to posture up from someones guard. You can, but the type of pressure you then get put from the ribs is near unbearable.

If someone is able to lock a body triangle under your lower floating ribs, you can tap quite a few folks who are not used to that type of pain. Seen this happen quite a bit.

Even more, the body triangle is effective against someone like Sonnen who relies on pressure and pace to control a fight. His constant reigning of punches, movement and pressure is what lets him be the fighter he is. Locking in a body triangle would have slowed and calmed the pace of the fight, allowing Silva time to recover, regroup and just catch his breath to recollect himself.

Against someone like a Jon Fitch, who is content for the most part to lay inside a guard while not pressuring a fighter, of course the body triangle would be useless. Against a fighter like Sonnen, it is an extremely effective move for the fighter on his back to help slow and dictate the pace of a fight.

Anderson never took Chael seriously. he was training with Steven Seagal for this fight(if you don't believe me search youtube). he needs to get back to the Anderson who didn't **** around like when he 1st came into the UFC. I expect to see the old Anderson Silva in his next fight.

Anderson trains at Black House, and regularly sparred with Machida leading up to this fight.

The guys at Black House are insanely tight, and constantly spar with each other. Training will never be an issue for those guys, regardless of some Youtube videos.

Plus, learning anything from Seagal will not be wasted time either. The guy is an akido master, which would be extremely helpful against a wrestler, or any grappler for that matter.

[Rampage]

Anderson trains at Black House, and regularly sparred with Machida leading up to this fight.

The guys at Black House are insanely tight, and constantly spar with each other. Training will never be an issue for those guys, regardless of some Youtube videos.

Plus, learning anything from Seagal will not be wasted time either. The guy is an akido master, which would be extremely helpful against a wrestler, or any grappler for that matter.
I know, I know,......I know. Thanks telling me what I already knew;)

#1 Did you see what Seagal was teaching Anderson?

#2 Do you believe Silva took him seriously

[TheCount]

Really dissected a ground game there, huh? :laugh2:

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The body triangle is extremely useful against anyone, especially a wrestler.

I know you're a professional fighter and everything but watch the fight.

Silva tried the body triangle maybe twice and it was useless against Chael, hence why he didn't use it often.

I understand what a body triangle does and doesn't do, and that has nothing to do with my statement. I'm talking about what actually took place during the fight.

[Double Trouble]

Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen

Thiago Alves vs Jon Fitch

Clay Guida vs Rafael Dos Anjos

Ricardo Almeida vs Matt Hughes

Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson

Ben Saunders vs Dennis Hallman

Dustin Hazelett vs Rick Story

Johny Hendricks vs Charlie Brenneman

Stefan Struve vs Christian Morecraft

Phil Davis vs Rodney WallaceMy thoughts:

1) Whoever bashed Fitch, why? He's a beast. You shouldn't force something that isn't there, especially when it was obvious Alves had nothing but a puncher's chance. He had no energy to make it the fight we were hoping for. If you have anger towards anyone put it on him. With Fitch, there are few fighters I respect more. He took an unbelievable beating from St. Pierre but kept answering the bell.

2) What the hate for Clay Guida? The guy goes full throttle every fight. I'd pay to watch him fight any day. Not the most talented guy, but he's one of my favorites for the way he puts it all on the line.

3) Matt Hughes....he didn't look washed up to me. I still don't think there's any way he can get to being a contender.

4) What the heck is in Roy Nelson's chin?

5) If Anderson Silva wants to retire with that immortal aura still around him, he better make it fast. He was totally outclassed and only a carelessness allowed him to remain undefeated. I don't fully understand what Fightmetric does, but it said that Choenen outpunched Silva 5 to 1. IOW, he got dominated by a guy who is hardly the best fighter Silva will be looking at in the near future. Or Silva could go the Matt Hughes route, hang on, lose to the best in his division, yet still make some nice $$$.

[Kangaroo]

I know, I know,......I know. Thanks telling me what I already knew;)

#1 Did you see what Seagal was teaching Anderson?

#2 Do you believe Silva took him seriously

Since Segal teaches Aikido it is a lot locks, pins and throw. The premise is built around balance, body movement and using the opponents actions against him. Aikido comes from a jujitsu root ryu and it is also based on sword and spear as part of the art

[DemonBlood]

I was laughing my *** off when Chael got subbed. I hate that troll so much.

Silva's next fight better be against Belfort.


WAR VITOR!

[BraveHeartFan]

I was laughing my *** off when Chael got subbed. I hate that troll so much.

Silva's next fight better be against Belfort.


WAR VITOR!

I laughed, for sure, but that was more because everyone in the room I was watching it with was all go for him out of hate for Silva.

Now going into the fight I hated Chael cause of the way he ran his mouth and acted as if he was the second coming and Silva was just some lucky chump who'd never beaten anyone.

But I gained MAJOR respect for Chael as the fight progressed and I do not have any issue with the man at this point. He talked a lot of smack but he backed it up by showing a pretty solid ability to utilize his strengths against an opponents weaknesses.

His only problem was that he was till fighting the best P4P fighter in the world today and sometimes executing a gameplan perfectly simply isn't enough.

But my hat is off to Chael. Major respect for what he was able to showcase.


Same thing with Roy Nelson that night. Now I've never hated Roy but I never thought much of him either. But the beating he was taking that night and the way he just refused to go down, refused to go away, I was very impressed by that.


And I am hoping to see Vitor vs. Silva. That has fireworks written all over it.

[rbr651]

Just wait till the MMA game catches up to wrestlers like it caught up to Jui Jitsu guys, once people start training takedown defense from day one, all these guys that can't finish a fight (or don't even try) are going to get abused.

Won't happen...if a world class wrestler can't stop a take down from another world class wrestler, a non wrestler will always have trouble, always.

[Little_Roloff]

I'd just like to say that this was the first UFC event I've seen live and wow oh wow do I LOVE Chael Sonnen. After talking the way he did and promoting the fight like he did he showed up and delivered!

He's a warrior and he was so close to beating the man a lot of people thought was the best pound for pound fighter just a week ago.

Sonnen is awsome, I share his Republican beliefs and I will pay my hard earned cash to watch him fight next time he's on.

Go Chael!

Also, would I look like a d-bag if I wore the shirt he wore when he walked out to the cage? Im no cage fighter lol.

[BigWillie]

I know, I know,......I know. Thanks telling me what I already knew;)

#1 Did you see what Seagal was teaching Anderson?

#2 Do you believe Silva took him seriously

Yes. A few minutes of video will not tell all that happened during a training session though.

Since Segal teaches Aikido it is a lot locks, pins and throw. The premise is built around balance, body movement and using the opponents actions against him. Aikido comes from a jujitsu root ryu and it is also based on sword and spear as part of the art

:thumbup:

While people will think of Seagal as only the actor, quite a few folks forget how unbelievably talented and dedicated that man is to the martial arts.

Any time spent with him training on what he knows would be no different than training with Renzo Gracie in BJJ. John Smith in freestyle. Samart Payakaroon in muay thai.

I know you're a professional fighter and everything but watch the fight.

Silva tried the body triangle maybe twice and it was useless against Chael, hence why he didn't use it often.

I understand what a body triangle does and doesn't do, and that has nothing to do with my statement. I'm talking about what actually took place during the fight.

I have watched the fight. Again. And again. In fact, even have the 1080 version on my PS3 so I can watch it anytime I want.

The body triangle is not an offensive maneuver, and is never intended to be an offensive maneuver. It can be, to someone who isn't used to the pressure it puts on the ribs. So how can you judge it's effectiveness when it isn't meant to be an offensive maneuver?

Heck, the move isn't even meant to stop offense either. Simply to slow it down. When it limits the ability of the guy on top to breathe, it also limits their ability to move to get power into their shot. And if you watch the video, Chael's shots were nothing but aggravating shots meant to open that body triangle.

So if you are aware of what a body triangle does and does not do, why are you judging the effectiveness of it? Chael slowed down, landed no powerful shots, and his movement is restricted. In this, it allows the guy on bottom to regain focus. Thus, the body triangle is successful.

But you already knew that. ;)

[TheCount]

I have watched the fight. Again. And again. In fact, even have the 1080 version on my PS3 so I can watch it anytime I want.

The body triangle is not an offensive maneuver, and is never intended to be an offensive maneuver. It can be, to someone who isn't used to the pressure it puts on the ribs. So how can you judge it's effectiveness when it isn't meant to be an offensive maneuver?

Heck, the move isn't even meant to stop offense either. Simply to slow it down. When it limits the ability of the guy on top to breathe, it also limits their ability to move to get power into their shot. And if you watch the video, Chael's shots were nothing but aggravating shots meant to open that body triangle.

So if you are aware of what a body triangle does and does not do, why are you judging the effectiveness of it? Chael slowed down, landed no powerful shots, and his movement is restricted. In this, it allows the guy on bottom to regain focus. Thus, the body triangle is successful.

But you already knew that. ;)

I'm not really sure where you're going with all this or what it has to do with my statement that Silva likes to use the body triangle from his back but he couldn't use it against Chael because Chael likes to attack from the guard anyway versus looking to pass, mount and submit/gnp.

Not sure how this became a philosophical discussion on the body triangle.

If, as you state, the body triangle was so successful, I'd love to hear your opinion on what Anderson didn't use it more like he usually does.