Did Dallas miss out? Giants sign OL Shawn Andrews

[TheSport78]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkgiants/post/_/id/1089/giants-sign-shawn-andrews?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The New York Giants signed former Eagles guard Shawn Andrews in the middle of the night, approximately at 1:45 a.m.

The team waived offensive lineman Cliff Louis. The move is intriguing considering if Andrews is healthy, he is a former two-time Pro Bowler. Andrews has not played since 2008 when he played for just two games before a back injury pretty much wiped out nearly two whole seasons.

Andrews' signing makes one wonder about the status of guard Chris Snee, who has missed several practices with a sore knee. Head coach Tom Coughlin said Snee was on his way back soon. The team's other starting guard, Rich Seubert, missed time earlier in camp with a broken bone in his hand but it is believed that he should be ready to play in the season opener.

The Giants, who close camp in Albany today with a light walk-through practice, have been using William Beatty at left tackle and their normal starting left tackle, David Diehl, at guard in place of the injured Snee.

[Alexander]

Hard to tell with his mental issues.

But I admire the fact the Giants are kicking his tires. It is a relatively low risk high reward approach at improvement that Dallas seems reluctant to try.

That makes two notable veterans that have been snatched off the market in the last few days--Andrews and Randy Thomas with Miami.

[BrAinPaiNt]

We will rue the day.

Well...considering he has been out since 2008 because of a bad back, maybe we will not rue too much.

[hawklegion]

He is fat.

[Romo 2 Austin]

He is fat.

lendale white fat?

[chicago JK]

I wouldn't expect much from him. He has had his issues and I don't believe he has played the last few season. I shudder to think what his weight might be now.

Either way, it is low risk for the Giants. He has a few weeks to prove he can be a NFL caliber lineman. If not, he will be cut. I wouldn't expect him to make the final roster. I may have felt different if he was with a team during the offseason.

[bbgun]

He is fat.

And manic depressive. Put them together and he'd make a perfect mother-in-law.

[Sam I Am]

He is broke-*** which I believe is why the Eagles cut him and restructured his brother Stacy's contract.

[BrAinPaiNt]

And manic depressive. Put them together and he'd make a perfect mother-in-law.

:laugh2: :bow: I can laugh at that due the luxury of having a pretty good mother-in-law.

[Meat-O-Rama]

I'm all for kicking a guy's tires, but you pretty much know what you've got in a guy that has played two games in two seasons with a bad back.

[stasheroo]

We will rue the day.

Well...considering he has been out since 2008 because of a bad back, maybe we will not rue too much.

Nah, we'll just continue to proceed as we have been and simply rue not winning championships.

There's a reason the Giants continue to have a better offensive line, they actually work at it and put some thought into it.

While Andrews may have nothing left, the Giants are at least trying to improve their depth.

I give them credit for that.

[FLCowboyFan]

I suspect we missed out on purpose.

[Alexander]

I'm all for kicking a guy's tires, but you pretty much know what you've got in a guy that has played two games in two seasons with a bad back.
You could have easily said the same thing when Dallas rolled the dice with Marc Colombo when he played in 19 games over four seasons for Chicago.

[Hostile]

It does not bother me that we did not "kick his tires." Depression and a bad back are higher risks than they are rewards at this point in his career.

[austintodallas]

He is fat.Take a look at Montrae Holland lately?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Nah, we'll just continue to proceed as we have been and simply rue not winning championships.

There's a reason the Giants continue to have a better offensive line, they actually work at it and put some thought into it.

While Andrews may have nothing left, the Giants are at least trying to improve their depth.

I give them credit for that.

You give them credit for signing someone with a bad back and mental issues who has been out of football for 2 years instead of having someone on their roster already who can step in and do the job? Sounds like they have zero depth or don't trust the depth they have.


Interesting.

People complain about the cowboys not getting depth, but at least we have some guys they are willing to give a try. Complain about us not getting Oline in the draft while the Giants last year and this seem to have concentrated on Dline.
Yet we give credit to them for trying?

[cowboyvic]

I have been screaming for us to get Andrews since this summer. we had nothing to lose by doing it. if he didn't work out, so be it. but he was worth taking a chance on. our GM Jerry Jones, just does not get it. and Andrews is only 27 years old. Hats off to the Giants. good move by them.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have been screaming for us to get Andrews since this summer. we had nothing to lose by doing it. if he didn't work out, so be it. but he was worth taking a chance on. our GM Jerry Jones, just does not get it. and Andrews is only 27 years old. Hats off to the Giants. good move by them.

Will you still give them credit if he some how can not play long due to back issues? If he has a meltdown due to mental issues? Or give them credit for having zero faith in what they must consider a lacking O-line depth?

Probably a good reason the guy has been out since 08.

[cowboyvic]

Will you still give them credit if he some how can not play long due to back issues? If he has a meltdown due to mental issues? Or give them credit for having zero faith in what they must consider a lacking O-line depth?

Probably a good reason the guy has been out since 08.FOR THE LAST TIME. we had nothing to lose. if we had him come in and he did not work out. what have we lost? NOTHING! Jerry was dumb not to bring him in.

[RS12]

He is fat.

Whereas Holland has a beach body?

[mldardy]

I have been screaming for us to get Andrews since this summer. we had nothing to lose by doing it. if he didn't work out, so be it. but he was worth taking a chance on. our GM Jerry Jones, just does not get it. and Andrews is only 27 years old. Hats off to the Giants. good move by them.
It's only a good move if it works.

[BrAinPaiNt]

FOR THE LAST TIME. we had nothing to lose. if we had him come in and he did not work out. what have we lost? NOTHING! Jerry was dumb not to bring him in.

You had money to lose and a roster spot for someone else to lose.

There is not a situation of bringing a player in where you have nothing to lose.

And if you feel that what you have on your roster currently is better than taking a chance on someone with a bad back and mental issues...you would also lose time that you would waste on said player.

You don't sign someone just for the sake of signing them.

[cowboyvic]

It's only a good move if it works.Again, if it does not work, what have they lost? THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.

[john van brocklin]

I have been screaming for us to get Andrews since this summer. we had nothing to lose by doing it. if he didn't work out, so be it. but he was worth taking a chance on. our GM Jerry Jones, just does not get it. and Andrews is only 27 years old. Hats off to the Giants. good move by them.


What he said !

[john van brocklin]

Again, if it does not work, what have they lost? THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.


What he said , redux !

[cowboyvic]

You had money to lose and a roster spot for someone else to lose.

There is not a situation of bringing a player in where you have nothing to lose.

And if you feel that what you have on your roster currently is better than taking a chance on someone with a bad back and mental issues...you would also lose time that you would waste on said player.

You don't sign someone just for the sake of signing them.Nonesense! you bring him in and let him fight for a job. dont tell me we dont have room for him because he may have taken a roster spot from Bright, Costa or Mcquiston. that's silly. we had nothing to lose.

[stasheroo]

You give them credit for signing someone with a bad back and mental issues who has been out of football for 2 years instead of having someone on their roster already who can step in and do the job? Sounds like they have zero depth or don't trust the depth they have.


Interesting.

Credit for taking a look at a former Pro Bowler once-considered the league's best young guard. A look that cost them nothing.


People complain about the cowboys not getting depth, but at least we have some guys they are willing to give a try.

Yeah, like Pat McQuistan. A for effort, there Pat! Too bad that he can't actually play but he gives it his best shot.

Complain about us not getting Oline in the draft while the Giants last year and this seem to have concentrated on Dline.
Yet we give credit to them for trying?

The Giants got William Beatty last year, a player who looks to be their left tackle of the future. We get Jason Williams and Robert Brewster, neither of whom is a lock to even make the team, much less contribute - advantage Giants.

[T-RO]

One rumor claims Stephen was trying to get a hold of Jerry to make a late night deal.

Jerry insists he was asleep and didn't hear the call... around 1:00 AM in the morning.

But family members say Jerry wasn't at home in bed.

http://access2interactive.com/stephenKing/sleepwalkers.jpg

[InmanRoshi]

As others have stated, it's hard to be sanctimonious about lazy fat tubs of goo when you have Montrae Holland on the roster. And unlike Holland, Andrews could actually back up right tackle too.

[T-RO]

You don't sign someone just for the sake of signing them.

Uh...he was a two-time pro-bowler, right?

It's a risk-reward proposition.

But given both the back problems and the mental problems I can't be very critical of the Cowboys for passing.

Bottom line: We fans don't have enough medical or personnel information to critique the deal, one way or the other.

[stasheroo]

Uh...he was a two-time pro-bowler, right?

It's a risk-reward proposition.

But given both the back problems and the mental problems I can't be very critical of the Cowboys for passing.

Bottom line: We fans don't have enough medical or personnel information to critique the deal, one way or the other.

But what we can do is give credit to the Giants for at least taking a look. If it works out, great for them. If it doesn't, it didn't cost them anything.

Low-risk, high reward.

[cowboyvic]

But what we can do is give credit to the Giants for at least taking a look. If it works out, great for them. If it doesn't, it didn't cost them anything.

Low-risk, high reward.Bingo. Right on the money. this is why i have a real problem with Jerry as our GM. im not even saying it would have worked out. but it was worth a look.

[T-RO]

But what we can do is give credit to the Giants for at least taking a look. If it works out, great for them. If it doesn't, it didn't cost them anything.

Low-risk, high reward.


Fair enough. I can't argue with that...at least not until I see the terms required to get Andrews to sign.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Uh...he was a two-time pro-bowler, right?

It's a risk-reward proposition.

But given both the back problems and the mental problems I can't be very critical of the Cowboys for passing.

Bottom line: We fans don't have enough medical or personnel information to critique the deal, one way or the other.

Now if they considered signing him with the idea of putting him on IR like they did columbo...it might be a different thing.

I just don't see why anyone would be giving credit to another team for signing some guy that has had both medical and mental issues.

Now I guess if there is a distinction between just bringing him in to talk to him vs bringing him in to sign him it might be different. And some might be inferring one or the other.

Bringing him in to give him a physical I don't have a problem. Bringing him in to sign him...no thanks.

Now bringing him in and signing him is still not a you are not losing anything proposition and some claim. You are losing money, time and a roster spot if he does not pan out for you.

[Angus]

You had money to lose and a roster spot for someone else to lose.

There is not a situation of bringing a player in where you have nothing to lose.

And if you feel that what you have on your roster currently is better than taking a chance on someone with a bad back and mental issues...you would also lose time that you would waste on said player.

You don't sign someone just for the sake of signing them.

Good advice.

:)

[Alexander]

Again, if it does not work, what have they lost? THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.
Moreover, they had even less of an incentive to bring him aboard.

Their line is relatively healthy compared to the Cowboys. They are not missing two starters. Snee has a tweaked knee, but as far as I am aware, he's not scheduled to miss much time.

Putting it this way, I doubt there would be nearly as much dismissal of the move if the Cowboys were the ones kicking Andrews' tires. This thread would be filled with "low risk-high reward!" fist-pumping.

[ShiningStar]

our mascot should be Snoopy throwing his head in the air and howling "RUUUEEEEEEEEEEEE" For all eternity.


Im so glad the Giants can get Shawn Andrews and they are wise and better and we get Barron and we are stupid and asking to lose the SB.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

because Snee has had a nagging knee injury. He is scheduled to come back soon but Andrews is probably just insurance. The Giants also said he had a great workout. They plan on taking it slow with him the rest of the preseason and he will see some time on the OLine.

The Giants put him through a workout for his back and it was good enough where they signed him. I'll trust the Giants' staff to know if he is capable of playing in the NFL with his back. And they will tell the next 3 or 4 weeks with workouts and preseason if it will hold up. As far as it costing them salary or a roster spot as has been suggested. The guy they cut wouldn't have made the roster anyway. And I'm sure they can afford the salary it will cost.

As far as his depression, he has been getting help for that. Reports say that he was in a cheery mood like he was before he became depressed. Of course, depression is tricky and can pop up at any time. I have it and know what it can do and how it can show up or disappear. But there really isn't much at risk here. And if it does work out, the Giants have themselves a Pro Bowl Olineman who is still only 27.

Definitely worth the roster spot and whatever salary it is costing them.

[stasheroo]

Now if they considered signing him with the idea of putting him on IR like they did columbo...it might be a different thing.

I just don't see why anyone would be giving credit to another team for signing some guy that has had both medical and mental issues.

Now I guess if there is a distinction between just bringing him in to talk to him vs bringing him in to sign him it might be different. And some might be inferring one or the other.

Bringing him in to give him a physical I don't have a problem. Bringing him in to sign him...no thanks.

Now bringing him in and signing him is still not a you are not losing anything proposition and some claim. You are losing money, time and a roster spot if he does not pan out for you.

Kinda like what the Cowboys are already losing carrying a talentless stiff like Pat McQuistan who has zero chance of making this roster?

That's a weak attempt at an excuse.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Kinda like what the Cowboys are already losing carrying a talentless stiff like Pat McQuistan who has zero chance of making this roster?

That's a weak attempt at an excuse.

It is not an excuse...it is a fact.

Paying someone to play for you is not losing nothing if he does not pan out.

I know you might not like that, but it is a fact.

Now I don't have a problem with the low risk, high reward mantra. Just not someone saying you lose nothing...when you very well do lose something if they don't pan out. You lose money, time and a roster spot even if you take into account you lose some JAG like McQ, it could also mean he was going to be gone anyway and some other player you wanted to keep on the team instead of chancing on the PS would stay.

Sorry I just don't see the need to give the giants credit for signing a player that has been out of football for two years with a bad back and mental issues. We can agree to disagree on that point. What we can not agree to disagree on is the idea that it costs them nothing to sign him when facts say otherwise.

Heck it may turn out to be the best decision and FA pickup they have had in years and he returns to pro bowl form or even better he is a All Pro player...but that still does not take away from the fact that it cost them nothing...unless he is playing for free and they don't lose another player.

[hawklegion]

I still say he is fat, makes Holland look like a ballerina.

[stasheroo]

It is not an excuse...it is a fact.

Paying someone to play for you is not losing nothing if he does not pan out.

I know you might not like that, but it is a fact.

Do us all a favor and let us know what money the Giants lose if Andrews doesn't pan out. If he's not healthy, physically or otherwise, he doesn't make the team's roster and won't receive any salary.

Now I don't have a problem with the low risk, high reward mantra. Just not someone saying you lose nothing...when you very well do lose something if they don't pan out. You lose money, time and a roster spot even if you take into account you lose some JAG like McQ, it could also mean he was going to be gone anyway and some other player you wanted to keep on the team instead of chancing on the PS would stay.

'Nothing' isn't meant to be taken literally.

Sorry I just don't see the need to give the giants credit for signing a player that has been out of football for two years with a bad back and mental issues. We can agree to disagree on that point. What we can not agree to disagree on is the idea that it costs them nothing to sign him when facts say otherwise.

Heck it may turn out to be the best decision and FA pickup they have had in years and he returns to pro bowl form or even better he is a All Pro player...but that still does not take away from the fact that it cost them nothing...unless he is playing for free and they don't lose another player.

I agree with Alexander that I think that if somehow Dallas had made this move, it will be getting a lot more praise.

[superpunk]

Andrews got overrated to Larry Allen circa 2005 status after Madden drooled over him once or twice, he was really never that good, and we probably are aware of that. It's entirely possible that we simply thought our fat tubs of goo, as bad as they might be, are better than his fat tub of goo. The Giants may have had no other options. Keep in mind Parcells and Sparano are also intimately acquainted with and aware of his abilities, and they passed on him in favor of someone who will be joining the AARP soon.

[Death Star]

Bingo. Right on the money. this is why i have a real problem with Jerry as our GM. im not even saying it would have worked out. but it was worth a look.

Well, with this situation he's on par with the 30 other GMs in the NFL that didn't sign Andrews halfway into preseason, and you can be sure that just about every team in this league has at least one McQuistan on their roster.

But I'm sure you'd make a better GM than the 31 professional GMs that didn't sign this sack, so you might want to start faxing that resume out.

[sbark]

And manic depressive. Put them together and he'd make a perfect mother-in-law.

on that note.....I hope he doesnt have PMS the Sunday we play them.......he could be nasty:rolleyes:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Do us all a favor and let us know what money the Giants lose if Andrews doesn't pan out. If he's not healthy, physically or otherwise, he doesn't make the team's roster and won't receive any salary.

You mean he does not get paid in pre-season or any practice or any signing bonus?



'Nothing' isn't meant to be taken literally.

That seems to be the problem here. Miscommunication as I was being specific and you were not. No problem, it happens on message boards all the time.:cool:



I agree with Alexander that I think that if somehow Dallas had made this move, it will be getting a lot more praise.

I personally would not care for the move, but I am sure both you and alexander are right about others...take TO for example...most people hated him until he was a cowboy. I never cared for him and wished he was never signed.

[stasheroo]

Andrews got overrated to Larry Allen circa 2005 status after Madden drooled over him once or twice, he was really never that good, and we probably are aware of that. It's entirely possible that we simply thought our fat tubs of goo, as bad as they might be, are better than his fat tub of goo. The Giants may have had no other options. Keep in mind Parcells and Sparano are also intimately acquainted with and aware of his abilities, and they passed on him in favor of someone who will be joining the AARP soon.

I would agree that he was overrated, but he did have a few quality seasons.

As for Parcells and Sparano, I don't think they've been doing a great job with free agent linemen down in Miami.

Jake Grove and Justin Smiley spring to mind as recent misses.

[big dog cowboy]

I still say he is fat, makes Holland look like a ballerina.
:eek:


:lmao:

[stasheroo]

You mean he does not get paid in pre-season or any practice or any signing bonus?

It's doubtful that he got a signing bonus and any salary isn't guaranteed unless he's on the opening day roster. If he got any money up front, it's likely very little. The Giants just did the same with linebacker Keith Bullock. If he doesn't make the team, they're out about $150,000.00. A pittance to an NFL franchise. Andrews likely signed a similar 'prove it' deal.

That seems to be the problem here. Miscommunication as I was being specific and you were not. No problem, it happens on message boards all the time.:cool:

I'd rather argue over issues rather than semantics.

:D

I personally would not care for the move, but I am sure both you and alexander are right about others...take TO for example...most people hated him until he was a cowboy. I never cared for him and wished he was never signed.

That's cool. I can respect that. Me I'm from the "leave no stone unturned" school of thought. I've seen too many examples of one's team's trash being another team's treasure.

[Chocolate Lab]

How could Jerry NOT sign him? There must be some mistake.

I mean, he went to Arkansas.

[Dash28]

How could Jerry NOT sign him? There must be some mistake.

I mean, he went to Arkansas.
:laugh2:

[supafly]

Moreover, they had even less of an incentive to bring him aboard.

Their line is relatively healthy compared to the Cowboys. They are not missing two starters. Snee has a tweaked knee, but as far as I am aware, he's not scheduled to miss much time.

Putting it this way, I doubt there would be nearly as much dismissal of the move if the Cowboys were the ones kicking Andrews' tires. This thread would be filled with "low risk-high reward!" fist-pumping.

I wouldnt be surprised if they snatched him up to keep him from getting picked up by the Cowboys.

[hawklegion]

I wouldnt be surprised if they snatched him up to keep him from getting picked up by the Cowboys.

I wouldn't be suprised if they snatched him up to single handedly keep the Krispy Creme doughnut empire in New York City afloat.

[Beast_from_East]

You guys in here are slaying me.:lmao:


Some of yall are drooling over the Giants signing some stiff that hasnt played hardly any in 2 seasons. To quote Micky Spagnola, "If he is so good, why was he available???"

As valuable as o-line is in this league, why is this "27 yr old probolwer" unemployed half way through the freaking preseason??? Apparently 31 other teams didnt think he was worth bringing in for even a freaking tryout.

Some of you guys in here need to get your resumes together, apparently yall know more than the GMs of 31 of the 32 teams in the league. You are wasting your talent.

[dbair1967]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yorkgiants/post/_/id/1089/giants-sign-shawn-andrews?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

The New York Giants signed former Eagles guard Shawn Andrews in the middle of the night, approximately at 1:45 a.m.

The team waived offensive lineman Cliff Louis. The move is intriguing considering if Andrews is healthy, he is a former two-time Pro Bowler. Andrews has not played since 2008 when he played for just two games before a back injury pretty much wiped out nearly two whole seasons.

Andrews' signing makes one wonder about the status of guard Chris Snee, who has missed several practices with a sore knee. Head coach Tom Coughlin said Snee was on his way back soon. The team's other starting guard, Rich Seubert, missed time earlier in camp with a broken bone in his hand but it is believed that he should be ready to play in the season opener.

The Giants, who close camp in Albany today with a light walk-through practice, have been using William Beatty at left tackle and their normal starting left tackle, David Diehl, at guard in place of the injured Snee.

well lets see...he's got serious "issues", a bad back, has hardly played any in 2+ years and constantly fighting to stay in shape...and you think we missed out? On what?

[BrAinPaiNt]

That whole bad back thing would really worry me. Even if he passed a physical now and looked good for a week...bad backs might feel better but they seem to be prone to return quite a bit. Plus the position he plays already puts a good degree of stress on the body and you just have to wonder how long before that bad back returns.

When I was younger, even just a few years ago I could tweak my back and it would be better after a short time.

This year I hurt my back and it has taken months to get better and still bothers me from time to time...and I am not in playing football in the trenches against 300+ lb strong guys trying to tear through me.

Now if it took him two years to get better or before another team took a chance on him...I would be kind of worried that his problems could start back up before long.

[stasheroo]

well lets see...he's got serious "issues", a bad back, has hardly played any in 2+ years and constantly fighting to stay in shape...and you think we missed out? On what?

Once again, the "Defender of the Faith" has to take up for everything the team does - or doesn't do.

Arch Defender indeed.

If we'd have signed him it would be a "shrewd move with little risk".

[unionjack8]

That whole bad back thing would really worry me. Even if he passed a physical now and looked good for a week...bad backs might feel better but they seem to be prone to return quite a bit. Plus the position he plays already puts a good degree of stress on the body and you just have to wonder how long before that bad back returns.

When I was younger, even just a few years ago I could tweak my back and it would be better after a short time.

This year I hurt my back and it has taken months to get better and still bothers me from time to time...and I am not in playing football in the trenches against 300+ lb strong guys trying to tear through me.

Now if it took him two years to get better or before another team took a chance on him...I would be kind of worried that his problems could start back up before long.

the bad back could heal, i dont know if he's had surgery or not, but his mental issues are what would worry me.
Personally i'd have given him a look-see, and maybe JJ did do that.
It could be an Alonzo Spellman signing(who did have sa good season here). I thi nk he signed a 6 year deal with no guaranteed monet at all. Thats very low risk, high reward IF he's healthy AND IF he's not destined for the psyche ward!

[stasheroo]

Shawn Andrews gets six year deal from the Giants with little guaranteed money (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/20/shawn-andrews-gets-six-year-deal-from-the-giants-with-little-guaranteed-money/)


Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 20, 2010 2:38 PM ET

We called the Giants' signing of guard Shawn Andrews a low-risk, high reward (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/20/morning-surprise-giants-pick-up-shawn-andrews/) gambit largely because we expected the contract terms to be very team-friendly.

The Giants held up their end of the bargain.

Andrews' contract runs for six years (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2010/08/giants-sign-pro-bowl-ol-shawn.html) and contains "very little" guaranteed money, according to the New York Daily News. Andrews' agent said there is "more upside" in the second year of the deal, which probably means there are a lot of incentives built in.

The Giants' two starting guards are hurt right now, and the team could use some depth. Andrews will work into game shape slowly, and the team wouldn't classify him as a guard or tackle.

Basically, the contract should make it easy for the Giants to dump Andrews if the move doesn't pan out. And it will be very difficult for Andrews to play anywhere else or earn true market value if he manages to have a successful comeback.


Looks like an even better deal for the Giants if you ask me.

[Chocolate Lab]

Mosley is on 103.3 right now saying that the Cowboys shouldn't worry too much about Andrews, because even though he's in great shape -- apparently as lean as he's been in a while -- he's a clown. Mosley said believe me, Andy Reid tried everything in the world to get through to this guy and nothing worked.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

He was given some guaranteed money. Terms of the contract have not been given out yet but it is said that the guaranteed money is very little. The contract is loaded with incentives the second year.

He has had two back surgeries. The second one was December of last year.

There were other teams interested and tracking his progress. Those words came right from Andrews in an interview.

Of course there is no such thing as no risk in business. He is going to be paid something.

And right now, the roster spot isn't an issue because the rosters are high right now. If he makes the cuts and takes up a roster spot, he is showing enough to keep that spot.

Should the Giants be given a lot of credit for this move? Nope, not now at least. It is something they are hoping works out. The fact that he has mental issues as well as physical ones makes this a big question mark as to whether it will work out in the long run.

The fact is, the Giants are taking a chance with a guy who has been out of the league for 2 years with problems. But, they have also been keeping tabs on him for about 6 months or so now. I'm sure he has shown them enough to warrant the opportunity. I will trust the Giants' brass and the fact that they are actually seeing what he can do.

When you look at the big picture, saying there is no risk and possible high rewards is simplifying the sentiment that a roster spot right now and a few dollars relatively speaking aren't much to the Giants compared to what might be if he regains some of the form he had during his Pro Bowl years.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[M'Kevon]

Mike Williams of the Redskins, part II.

How'd that work out?

For those believing Andrews was a valid option, name another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career.















I'll wait.
















:cool:

[The Emperor]

So what. He might have some tread left on the tire; he might not. I think the fact they made such a move shows how desperate the Giants are along the line.

[M'Kevon]

Here. Let me throw some serious napalm into this thread.


Tony Washington.



And yes, I'm serious.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Here. Let me throw some serious napalm into this thread.


Tony Washington.



And yes, I'm serious.



Theyve made their stance on him clear

Id still rather employ a sister lover than an attempted murder like Pacman but what are you going to do

[M'Kevon]

Theyve made their stance on him clear

Id still rather employ a sister lover than an attempted murder like Pacman but what are you going to do

Yes, they have. But I'm with you - if Pacman, Leonard Little and Ray Lewis can be given second (third, fourth . . ) chances, Washington should be given a first.

[InmanRoshi]

Mike Williams of the Redskins, part II.

How'd that work out?

For those believing Andrews was a valid option, name another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career.


I'll wait.

cool:

Well, he wasn't "out of the league for two years". He was on an NFL roster both years, but he basically had to sit out better part of two years with injury.

As far as naming other players who have sat out the better part of two years with injury and successfully came back and had a career...

http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0008/5A/D2/5AD25728591F085269AB34_Large.jpg

[Chief]

Here. Let me throw some serious napalm into this thread.


Tony Washington.



And yes, I'm serious.

Was he never signed?

[M'Kevon]

Well, he wasn't "out of the league for two years". He was on an NFL roster both years, but he basically had to sit out better part of two years with injury.

As far as naming other players who have sat out the better part of two years with injury and successfully came back and had a career...

http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0008/5A/D2/5AD25728591F085269AB34_Large.jpg

Thanks for changing my question to fit your answer, but the question was:

[N]ame another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career.

Andrews wasn't out of the league due to injury, unless you consider his mental problems an injury.

Question still stands.

[Apluz]

To answer the question NO!

[InmanRoshi]

Was he never signed?

He's playing for the Dallas Vigilantes arena football team.

[The30YardSlant]

He's slow, fat, has a bad back and is absolutely bat**** crazy

[M'Kevon]

Was he never signed?

Not by the NFL. AFL.

[InmanRoshi]

Thanks for changing my question to fit your answer, but the question was:
Andrews wasn't out of the league due to injury, unless you consider his mental problems an injury.

Do you consider back surgeries an injury?

He didn't miss any games with depression. He missed part of training camp and then returned. He started the first two games of 2008, and injured his his back in the 3rd game. He was put on IR and had surgery on it. He reinjured the back before training camp last year and had a 2nd surgery on it.

But you're right ... it isn't quite a fair comparison. Andrews started 2 games out of 2 years with injury. Colombo only started 2 games in 3 years with injury.

[InmanRoshi]

He's slow, fat, has a bad back and is absolutely bat**** crazy

I'll take a slow fat crazy guy who has played at a Pro Bowl level in the NFL over a slow fat lazy guy who has never amounted to anything like Montrae Holland.

[Chief]

He's playing for the Dallas Vigilantes arena football team.

I wonder how well he is playing.

From the articles I remember reading, he was young when he did that, showed remorse and his college coaches spoke highly of him. I would probably sign him.

[M'Kevon]

Do you consider back surgeries an injury?

He didn't miss any games with depression. He missed part of training camp and then returned. He started the first two games of 2008, and injured his his back in the 3rd game. He was put on IR and had surgery on it. He reinjured the back before training camp last year and had a 2nd surgery on it.

But you're right ... it isn't quite a fair comparison. Andrews started 2 games out of 2 years with injury. Colombo only started 2 games in 3 years with injury.

He wasn't released due to injury. Philly got tired of his "dedication."

"We appreciate the efforts and contributions of Shawn while he was in Philadelphia," coach Andy Reid said in a statement. "We have, however, decided to move in another direction."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5003245

[Alexander]

I wonder how well he is playing.

From the articles I remember reading, he was young when he did that, showed remorse and his college coaches spoke highly of him. I would probably sign him.

http://www.dallasvigilantes.com/roster

I don't see Tony Washington on that roster.

[The30YardSlant]

I'll take a slow fat crazy guy who has played at a Pro Bowl level in the NFL over a slow fat lazy guy who has never amounted to anything like Montrae Holland.

I'd rather not have either, but no reason to add another headcase with marginal ability

[InmanRoshi]

He wasn't released due to injury. Philly got tired of his "dedication."

"We appreciate the efforts and contributions of Shawn while he was in Philadelphia," coach Andy Reid said in a statement. "We have, however, decided to move in another direction."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5003245

Oh, you're changing the goalposts now? I thought you said the two years he missed weren't due to injuries? (BTW, nowhere in that quote does it say the Eagles are releasing him because of dedication).

Yeah, I'm sure those consecutive back surgeries and high salary had nothing to do with the release. Nope, it was all concerns about "dedication". Because the Eagles value "dedication" in their offensive lineman above all things. That's why they keep those sleek, high motor types like Max Jean Giles and Stacy Andrews around.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HCHECFOAKMOD/jeangilles_cmb470_060430.jpg

[M'Kevon]

Oh, you're changing the goalposts now?

Yeah, I'm sure those consecutive back surgeries and high salary had nothing to do with the release. Nope, it was all concerns about "dedication". Because the Eagles value "dedication" in their offensive lineman above all things. That's why they keep those sleek, high motivated types like Max Jean Giles and Stacy Andrews around.

Nope. Same goalposts that you insist on moving or ignoring. The original question did not pertain to those not playing due to injury. Just players released, healthy, who the rest of the league deemed unwashed and unwanted.

[Chief]

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HCHECFOAKMOD/jeangilles_cmb470_060430.jpg

I wonder if bats roost in that belly button.

[stasheroo]

Nope. Same goalposts that you insist on moving or ignoring. The original question did not pertain to those not playing due to injury. Just players released, healthy, who the rest of the league deemed unwashed and unwanted.

Bull! You've changed your own "requirements" multiple times already.

Dallas' own starting right tackle blows your attempted point out of the water.

Fact is that you never had a point and now you're trying to reinvent history in an attempt to get one.

[dozin_theknick]

You could have easily said the same thing when Dallas rolled the dice with Marc Colombo when he played in 19 games over four seasons for Chicago.

Much rather roll the dice on a bad knee than bipolar disorder. It's not a knock on people who suffer from such conditions, just not on my NFL team.

[DWhite Fan]

our mascot should be Snoopy throwing his head in the air and howling "RUUUEEEEEEEEEEEE" For all eternity.


Im so glad the Giants can get Shawn Andrews and they are wise and better and we get Barron and we are stupid and asking to lose the SB.
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[dbair1967]

Once again, the "Defender of the Faith" has to take up for everything the team does - or doesn't do.

Arch Defender indeed.

If we'd have signed him it would be a "shrewd move with little risk".

I dont care for signing players with no passion for the game, no dedication and mental issues...then there's the back

no, I wouldnt be praising a move like this...it'd be a pure desperation move...

[BrAinPaiNt]

I wonder if bats roost in that belly button.

:laugh2: If not there, they might hang upside down under those man boobs.:p:

[ShiningStar]

http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad127/Bammers1021/Football%20Pics%202010/snoopy-missing-you1.jpg (http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad127/Bammers1021/Football%20Pics%202010/snoopy-missing-you1.jpg)





I love it, thank ya. :bow: :bow:

[M'Kevon]

Bull! You've changed your own "requirements" multiple times already.

Dallas' own starting right tackle blows your attempted point out of the water.

Fact is that you never had a point and now you're trying to reinvent history in an attempt to get one.

Now, now, now. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

The original question remains:

For those believing Andrews was a valid option, name another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career.

And, you have still yet to answer it.

Don't be mad, just answer it.

[8FOR!3]

lendale white fat?

JaMarcus Russell fat?? :lmao:

[stasheroo]

Now, now, now. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

The original question remains:

For those believing Andrews was a valid option, name another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career.

And, you have still yet to answer it.

Don't be mad, just answer it.

Firstly, your description is faulty.

Andrews has been 'out of the league' for a few months since the Eagles released him.

Secondly, the Cowboys' own Marc Colombo fits the same MO as does Andrews.

The Bears and the rest of the league had given up on him, until Parcells and the Cowboys gave him a shot.

That moved ended the revolving door the team had at right tackle.

[dbair1967]

Firstly, your description is faulty.

Andrews has been 'out of the league' for a few months since the Eagles released him.

Secondly, the Cowboys' own Marc Colombo fits the same MO as does Andrews.

The Bears and the rest of the league had given up on him, until Parcells and the Cowboys gave him a shot.

That moved ended the revolving door the team had at right tackle.

No he doesnt, its not even remotely the same. Recovering from a knee problem is nowhere near as bad as a faulty back. Second, Colombo isnt a whack job who lacks passion for the game.

[Chuck 54]

Giants are merely churning the bottom of their roster...nothing more.

[stasheroo]

No he doesnt, its not even remotely the same. Recovering from a knee problem is nowhere near as bad as a faulty back. Second, Colombo isnt a whack job who lacks passion for the game.

Looks like you need to re-read the question:

For those believing Andrews was a valid option, name another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career

Colombo was as 'out of the league' as Andrews was, even more so.

And he's come back to have a career. At least to this point anyway.

You want to try to 'qualify' one injury or another, that's your problem.

[dbair1967]

Looks like you need to re-read the question:

For those believing Andrews was a valid option, name another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career

Colombo was as 'out of the league' as Andrews was, even more so.

And he's come back to have a career. At least to this point anyway.

You want to try to 'qualify' one injury or another, that's your problem.

It's not a "problem" its a fact. Back injuries are more concerning for the long term, and any guy with mental issues is a huge concern. Colombo didnt have either of those. here was also nobody questioning Colombo's ticker, unlike Andrews, who'd work ethic and desire have always been in question.

[stasheroo]

It's not a "problem" its a fact. Back injuries are more concerning for the long term, and any guy with mental issues is a huge concern. Colombo didnt have either of those. here was also nobody questioning Colombo's ticker, unlike Andrews, who'd work ethic and desire have always been in question.


No, it's your problem.

And one not asked by the question at hand.

For those believing Andrews was a valid option, name another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career

Doesn't mention type of injury, doesn't mention desire or lack thereof.

If you'd like to tailor it to suit your answer, that's on you.

And for the record, Colombo didn't have just another" knee injury", if you did your homework, you'd know that he had nerve damage as well. Enough for the Bears and the rest of the league to feel that he couldn't come back.

[M'Kevon]

No, it's your problem.

And one not asked by the question at hand.

For those believing Andrews was a valid option, name another OL out of the league for two years, then successfully came back and had a career

Doesn't mention type of injury, doesn't mention desire or lack thereof.

If you'd like to tailor it to suit your answer, that's on you.

And for the record, Colombo didn't have just another" knee injury", if you did your homework, you'd know that he had nerve damage as well. Enough for the Bears and the rest of the league to feel that he couldn't come back.

:lmao2:

you're using my question to dig yourself out of a hole?!?!?!?!?! You, who couldn't follow it to begin with!?!?!?!?!

:lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2:

HYPOCRITES UNITE!!!!!


:lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao: :lmao2: :lmao:

Good night, all.

[THUMPER]

And manic depressive. Put them together and he'd make a perfect mother-in-law.

Once again bbgun, you succeed in making me laugh. :lmao2: Thanks, I needed that. :bow:

[lostinomiya]

No he doesnt, its not even remotely the same. Recovering from a knee problem is nowhere near as bad as a faulty back. Second, Colombo isnt a whack job who lacks passion for the game.

So he cannot possibly have recovered and he is a permanent "whack job" rather than someone who suffers from treatable depression...and he is not worth a look (have the Giants signed him to a multi year big money contract?) in spite of all his talent.

oh well, if you say so.

[InmanRoshi]

Shawn Andrews-G- Giants Sep. 3 - 4:26 pm et


SI's Peter King suggests that LG Shawn Andrews could be "headed for a starting job" with the Giants.

It may not happen in Week 1, but it's bound to if Andrews plays like he did in New York's preseason finale. Andrews looked like the best lineman on the field against the Patriots, mauling the New England "twos" and showing impressive footwork. He'll be pushing for Rich Seubert's job early in the season.


Consider me officially "rued".

[Bob Sacamano]

I liken it to the Skins signing Mike Williams. No big deal. He's officially out of shape and out of mind.

[InmanRoshi]

I liken it to the Skins signing Mike Williams. No big deal. He's officially out of shape and out of mind.



A better comparison to Mike Williams would be Montrae Holland. A castoff who has sucked his entire career for multiple teams (Alex Barron might soon find himself on that list as well). Unlike those guys, Shawn Andrews has played at a Pro Bowl level for multiple years.

Yeah, glad we missed out on that 27 year old Pro Bowl talent who can play 3 different positions. Especially when he's beastin' every time he steps on the field this preseason. It's not like we have a high standard around here for mental acumen or work ethic in our offensive linemen.

[hornitosmonster]

Consider me officially "rued".


Nah...his Bi-Polar will kick in at some point during the season

[InmanRoshi]

Nah...his Bi-Polar will kick in at some point during the season

I wish some of our fat, lethargic linemen had more manic episodes.

[hornitosmonster]

I wish some of our fat, lethargic linemen had more manic episodes.

LOL. You wish our Line was more like Shawn Andrews? Is that even real? Has too be a level...:laugh1:

[InmanRoshi]

LOL. You wish our Line was more like Shawn Andrews? Is that even real? Has too be a level...:laugh1:

Yes, I wish our headcases were at least Pro Bowl caliber players when they're firing on all cylinders. Instead are head cases are career scrubs and journeymen, like Montrae Holland and Alex Barron.

[stasheroo]

Yes, I wish our headcases were at least Pro Bowl caliber players when they're firing on all cylinders. Instead are head cases are career scrubs and journeymen, like Montrae Holland and Alex Barron.

I think the Giants have a nice reclamation project on their hands.

A low-risk, high-reward situation with the potential to pay huge dividends.

Kudos to the Giants for having the courage and the vision to make the move.

As a Cowboys fan, I think we'll be regretting our team not making it.

[Joshmvii]

I think the Giants have a nice reclamation project on their hands.

A low-risk, high-reward situation with the potential to pay huge dividends.

Kudos to the Giants for having the courage and the vision to make the move.

As a Cowboys fan, I think we'll be regretting our team not making it.

I'm all for these types of moves if you have a roster spot that is currently being taken up by a worthless O-Lineman who you can afford to cut for a project that likely won't work.

Which if our O-Linemen would you cut for Andrews? Please don't say you'd cut one of our young tackles, so that makes me think you're thinking either Holland or Barron, both of which are proven backups or even serviceable starters. Both of them are also going to be starting when we open the season, so we might be in a mess if you had cut one of them for a guy who can't currently play.

[InmanRoshi]

Shawn Andrews has been, currently is and will always be better than Montrae Holland ... and several years younger.

Andrews is a risk reward situation. Holland is a career long fat, lazy underachiever who brings no reward.

[stasheroo]

I'm all for these types of moves if you have a roster spot that is currently being taken up by a worthless O-Lineman who you can afford to cut for a project that likely won't work.

Which if our O-Linemen would you cut for Andrews? Please don't say you'd cut one of our young tackles, so that makes me think you're thinking either Holland or Barron, both of which are proven backups or even serviceable starters. Both of them are also going to be starting when we open the season, so we might be in a mess if you had cut one of them for a guy who can't currently play.

You're incorrect about the 'can't play' part.

Not only did Andrews play in the Giants' last preseason game, he dominated.

But to answer your question, I would cut either Holland or Barron if need be.

I think Holland is a solid player and I think he'll do a good job Sunday Night. That said, he's not special and doesn't have the potential to be special either. Andrews has proven to be special, and he has the potential to be special again.

Barron is a need player right now given Colombo's injury and the inexperience of Brewster and Young. But he's likely one-and-done in Dallas next season, even if he remains on the roster for all of this season.

And I know this is a bit out there, but I've soured so much on Leonard Davis that I'd have no issue if they got rid of him before the season started, but the timing of Kosier's injury makes that impossible now.

[InmanRoshi]

Looks like they're moving him to RT to prepare him to eventually take over for the injured William Beatty.