Bobby Carpenter Signs with Miami [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

dgr81

09-06-2010, 12:52 PM

JasonLaCanfora (http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora)
The Dolphins have signed LB Bobby Carpenter, the team announced. Fins front office knows him well from his time in Dallas 3 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/23164854079) via Twitter for BlackBerry® (http://blackberry.com/twitter)

Fletch

09-06-2010, 12:53 PM

:laugh2: Big Bill loves his scrub.

rathalarge

09-06-2010, 12:55 PM

Good luck to the guy.

Hypnotoad

09-06-2010, 12:55 PM

This shows if Bill was still here, he'd be stubborn enough to have kept Bobby this whole time.

hornitosmonster

09-06-2010, 12:57 PM

Wow, Parcells has really fallen out of touch with reality. :laugh2:

If Parcells was in Dallas there would be no Romo and Barbie would be starting :laugh1:

Go Big D!

09-06-2010, 01:00 PM

Shocker! :laugh2:

Well, his ESPN gig is gonna have to wait now....

RS12

09-06-2010, 01:04 PM

At least it stops the talk of some of the deaf, dumb, and blind around here from talking about bringing him back as a nickle LB.

casmith07

09-06-2010, 01:06 PM

I called it. Although I said by the end of the weekend and not on Monday, but the holiday weekend technically isn't over yet.

7footer

09-06-2010, 01:06 PM

It was only a matter of time...The Tuna and the Barbie are reunited at last!

Fletch

09-06-2010, 01:07 PM

It was only a matter of time...The Tuna and the Barbie are reunited at last!

Hell, The Tuna prolly picked Barbie up at the airport himself. Probably started talking about Barbie's dad, horse racing, boxing, and Jersey stuff. :laugh1:

The Emperor

09-06-2010, 01:07 PM

At least it stops the talk of some of the deaf, dumb, and blind around here from talking about bringing him back as a nickle LB.

I agree. They're all freaked out because Wade said Sean Lee wasn't ready to be the nickel linebacker yet. I wonder if they freaked out as bad when Landry said Tony Dorsett wasn't ready to start. I mean, it's like the same thing.

Blackspider214

09-06-2010, 01:09 PM

Seriously, how many former players does this make that the Doplhins have from us? LOL.

Fletch

09-06-2010, 01:10 PM

I agree. They're all freaked out because Wade said Sean Lee wasn't ready to be the nickel linebacker yet. I wonder if they freaked out as bad when Landry said Tony Dorsett wasn't ready to start. I mean, it's like the same thing.

It's okay. They're all now worried about the 31 year old Crayton and his untimely departure. The very Crayton they shunned and bashed not too long ago. :rolleyes:

Fletch

09-06-2010, 01:11 PM

Seriously, how many former players does this make that the Doplhins have from us? LOL.

Former players, staff, HC, GM, secretaries, equipment guys, towel boys. Et cetera.

TheCowboy

09-06-2010, 01:14 PM

Not suprised at all. Good luck to him. He'll need every bit of it.

Boyzmamacita

09-06-2010, 01:18 PM

Parcells is loyal to "his guys" to a fault. Carpenter never would've been drafted by the Cowboys if he wasn't the son of a Parcell's Guy. Maybe a light will come on for Bobby in Miami. If so, good for him. But he never should have been drafted where he was in the first place.

LongSnapper

09-06-2010, 01:18 PM

:lmao:

The Emperor

09-06-2010, 01:22 PM

It's okay. They're all now worried about the 31 year old Crayton and his untimely departure. The very Crayton they shunned and bashed not too long ago. :rolleyes:

Oh, I know, like he personally cost us the 2007 Divisional playoff game against the Giants.

I would place poor tackling and poor special teams play, as coached by Bruce Read with the Janet Reno haircut, as the causes for that loss. It wasn't Romo -- that's for darn sure. And it wasn't Crayton. It was the defense and the special teams. That's it.

But that's our fans. We're the same bunch that booed Don Meredith out of a restaurant and into an early retirement.

burmafrd

09-06-2010, 01:24 PM

Hoofbite

09-06-2010, 01:28 PM

This shows if Bill was still here, he'd be stubborn enough to have kept Bobby this whole time.

Dallas just got rid of him. Not exactly the opposite of stubborn to have the guy up until a few months ago.

burmafrd

09-06-2010, 01:30 PM

This shows if Bill was still here, he'd be stubborn enough to have kept Bobby this whole time.

AND THREE YEARS AFTER he left we only now get rid of him says what about the current staff?

TheCoolFan

09-06-2010, 01:31 PM

What is wrong with Tuna? Seriously...his methods are getting outdated. This isn't the 90's anymore old man!

gbrittain

09-06-2010, 01:32 PM

Wow...I never saw that coming!;)

big dog cowboy

09-06-2010, 01:32 PM

:laugh2:

Bill's waterboy comes home.

The Emperor

09-06-2010, 01:33 PM

Oh get off it. Barbie was considered a "safe" pick at where he was gotten. Those idiots screaming now that he should never have been picked know squat. It was just a mistake in the process; just like every team has in every draft. All the measureables were there: size, speed, quickness, etc. Major program with a history of sending players to the pros. What it could not measure was what was inside the head; just like every other bust from every other draft.

Then why didn't we take Manny Lawson? He's turned out to be a pretty good linebacker. I guess because his dad didn't play for Bill Parcells.

miamicowboy21

09-06-2010, 01:34 PM

Oh get off it. Barbie was considered a "safe" pick at where he was gotten. Those idiots screaming now that he should never have been picked know squat. It was just a mistake in the process; just like every team has in every draft. All the measureables were there: size, speed, quickness, etc. Major program with a history of sending players to the pros. What it could not measure was what was inside the head; just like every other bust from every other draft.

Dude, Carpenter wasn't the even the best LB on that team. AJ hawk was the stud in that LB Corp. At 16 you don't draft safe. Seriously, he couldn't even make the rams who need all the talent they can get. The tuna is desperate and stupid.

gbrittain

09-06-2010, 01:35 PM

Oh get off it. Barbie was considered a "safe" pick at where he was gotten. Those idiots screaming now that he should never have been picked know squat. It was just a mistake in the process; just like every team has in every draft. All the measureables were there: size, speed, quickness, etc. Major program with a history of sending players to the pros. What it could not measure was what was inside the head; just like every other bust from every other draft.

I am certainly no Big Bill defender. Having said that, look at the 2006 draft, it was not stellar by any stretch. Good chance if we don't pick Bobby we would have picked some other scrub. Thats the kind of year it was.

Then again, I was a big Deangelo Williams fan. I would have "settled" for that pick.

RS12

09-06-2010, 01:36 PM

:laugh2:

Bill's waterboy comes home.

Barbie never hit anybody like Bobby Boucher.

Boyzmamacita

09-06-2010, 01:54 PM

Oh get off it. Barbie was considered a "safe" pick at where he was gotten. Those idiots screaming now that he should never have been picked know squat. It was just a mistake in the process; just like every team has in every draft. All the measureables were there: size, speed, quickness, etc. Major program with a history of sending players to the pros. What it could not measure was what was inside the head; just like every other bust from every other draft.
So you admit he was a bust. By definition, a bust should not have been picked. Just sayin.' And yes, it is hindsight. At this point what else can it be?

And good luck to Carpenter.

burmafrd

09-06-2010, 01:59 PM

For those newbies that either do not remember or never bothered to find out there was a specific reason Carpenter was chosen. We needed another rush OLB and at that time Ellis had not been tried. No one knew if that would work out. So that was why carp was the "safe" pick. All the measureables indicated he was what we needed. All the scouting services said the same thing. That was also why it was considered a "safe" pick. Also its a fact that the sons of former NFL players have a much lower bust rate overall. So that was another good reason to think he would work out. All the facts that could be known indicated that this was the pick to make. BUT the problem with drafting is that you cannot get a lockpick and open up the head and look inside. That is where either players or busts are decided.

And no one picks someone expecting a bust. That is beyond stupid to think that. If all the scouts in your organization say its a good pick and they have had a good record then you pick the guy.

Hagman

09-06-2010, 02:03 PM

The Emperor

09-06-2010, 02:04 PM

I am certainly no Big Bill defender. Having said that, look at the 2006 draft, it was not stellar by any stretch. Good chance if we don't pick Bobby we would have picked some other scrub. Thats the kind of year it was.

Then again, I was a big Deangelo Williams fan. I would have "settled" for that pick.

So Manny Lawson is a scrub? Davin Joseph is a scrub?

If there wasn't anyone there, then we should have traded down.

burmafrd

09-06-2010, 02:04 PM

AS I explained for the deaf and dumb, the sons of former Pro Football players have a lower bust rate than other players. So its considered a good factor to use in choosing a player.

Hagman

09-06-2010, 02:05 PM

AS I explained for the deaf and dumb, the sons of former Pro Football players have a lower bust rate than other players. So its considered a good factor to use in choosing a player.

Even after they've "busted" with two other teams?

burmafrd

09-06-2010, 02:06 PM

All the reasons to pick carp were good ones. All the factors indicated he was a safe pick to come in and do what was needed. He just busted. Guess what that is life.

burmafrd

09-06-2010, 02:06 PM

Kosier was considered a bust pretty much when we got him from Detroit.

Cajuncowboy

09-06-2010, 02:10 PM

Gotta wonder what kind of pictures Bobby's dad has of Parcells.

The Emperor

09-06-2010, 02:10 PM

Kosier was considered a bust pretty much when we got him from Detroit.

How is a 7th round pick ever considered a bust?

Maybe you're thinking of Marc Colombo. He was the Bears' first round pick in 2002 and he was released midway during the 2005 season because they thought he was injury prone and his days were over. Now, he was considered a bust.

Hostile

09-06-2010, 02:12 PM

Once you are a FOB (Friend of Bill), you have a shot at a job wherever he is.

I bet a friend lunch that Carpenter would sign there as soon as the Lambs let him go.

burmafrd

09-06-2010, 02:13 PM

JohnsKey19

09-06-2010, 02:14 PM

Kosier was considered a bust pretty much when we got him from Detroit.

Huh???

Not hardly. He was viewed as a serviceable lineman who was only a 7th round pick. If anything he was an overachiever.

gbrittain

09-06-2010, 02:20 PM

So Manny Lawson is a scrub? Davin Joseph is a scrub?

If there wasn't anyone there, then we should have traded down.

Well thats one way to interpret what I wrote. I think what I said there is a good chance we would have selected a bust since there were so many.

I am not defending the pick. That pick never did excite me. I am just pointing out that there were quite a few bust in that draft IMO.

The Emperor

09-06-2010, 02:22 PM

once again you need to research a little before you post. Columbo had ONE injury- it was a bad one. The bears gave up on him thinking he would not make it back. BP was the only one who thought he might and took a chance on him.

I need to do some research? JohnsKey19 was also baffled by your claim that Kosier was a bust -- a statement that you have yet to back up.

He damaged his knee really bad in 2002. He missed 6 games. In 2003, he didn't even play because he was put on the PUP list and later on injured reserve. In 2004, he began the year on the PUP list and then played 8 games. In 2005, he played on Opening Day and then was cut. Then, he came to us.

He was injury prone.

The Emperor

09-06-2010, 02:23 PM

Well thats one way to interpret what I wrote. I think what I said there is a good chance we would have selected a bust since there were so many.

I am not defending the pick. That pick never did excite me. I am just pointing out that there were quite a few bust in that draft IMO.

Oh, okay. It's kind of like what people say about the two #1's we traded for Galloway: what do we care? Jerry would have wasted them anyway.

kojak

09-06-2010, 02:33 PM

No surprise here.

Sarge

09-06-2010, 03:02 PM

Pathetic.

physeter

09-06-2010, 03:45 PM

dogberry

09-06-2010, 03:46 PM

Did Bill get a nickle linebacker for the vet min?

BAT

09-06-2010, 04:17 PM

AS I explained for the deaf and dumb, the sons of former Pro Football players have a lower bust rate than other players. So its considered a good factor to use in choosing a player.

I can't be certain, but don't think that was much of a criteria for choosing players under either Landry or Jimmy.

AMERICAS_FAN

09-06-2010, 04:31 PM

Parcells must be churning the TOP of his roster! :laugh1: :lmao: :laugh2: :lmao: :laugh2: :laugh1:

30yrheel

09-06-2010, 05:01 PM

carpenter is a bust no matter where he is.

ilovejerry

09-06-2010, 05:46 PM

gimmesix

09-06-2010, 05:51 PM

I know that Barbie's dad played for Bill, but geez. Seriously, was there an affair between Barbie's mom and Big Bill? Is Barbie Bill's love child? He sure didn't draft him #1 or sign him to the Dolphins based on talent.

Or it's possible he saw his play as the nickel linebacker last season in Dallas, looked at Dallas' percentage on third downs converted (35) and thought he'd be a pretty good pickup for that role.

Considering we have yet to find a suitable third-down replacement at nickel linebacker, I can't blame him. There was no way Carpenter was returning here, but for the right price, there is a niche position for him in a coverage role. At the moment, he's probably better at it than any of the backups we've got. I do expect that to change, though.

ilovejerry

09-06-2010, 05:53 PM

Or it's possible he saw his play as the nickel linebacker last season in Dallas, looked at Dallas' percentage on third downs converted (35) and thought he'd be a pretty good pickup for that role.

Considering we have yet to find a suitable third-down replacement at nickel linebacker, I can't blame him. There was no way Carpenter was returning here, but for the right price, there is a niche position for him in a coverage role. At the moment, he's probably better at it than any of the backups we've got. I do expect that to change, though.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Hagman

09-06-2010, 05:54 PM

ThreeSportStar80

09-06-2010, 06:09 PM

Bill can have this bum... Shouldn't have been drafted in the 1st round anyways!

gimmesix

09-06-2010, 06:36 PM

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

You can laugh if you want, but the truth is he was a solid coverage linebacker last year. Now, he can't blitz very well and he's on skates against the run and takes bad angles, but if you need someone to shadow a tight end or running back, he showed he could do that.

I want more from my nickel linebacker than that, but right now, we don't know if we have a backup who can handle the coverage part of that role. That's why we might have to keep Brooking on the field on third downs against the Redskins and at least for a few weeks of the season.

I expect Lee to eventually take the role, IF they'll let him focus on it in practice.

burmafrd

09-06-2010, 06:40 PM

I need to do some research? JohnsKey19 was also baffled by your claim that Kosier was a bust -- a statement that you have yet to back up.

He damaged his knee really bad in 2002. He missed 6 games. In 2003, he didn't even play because he was put on the PUP list and later on injured reserve. In 2004, he began the year on the PUP list and then played 8 games. In 2005, he played on Opening Day and then was cut. Then, he came to us.

He was injury prone.

It was the same injury. Now maybe you have a different definition of injury prone but to me it means multiple injuries.

Kosier was considered nothing when we got him and it turned out he was pretty good.

RS12

09-06-2010, 06:47 PM

You can laugh if you want, but the truth is he was a solid coverage linebacker last year. Now, he can't blitz very well and he's on skates against the run and takes bad angles, but if you need someone to shadow a tight end or running back, he showed he could do that.

I want more from my nickel linebacker than that, but right now, we don't know if we have a backup who can handle the coverage part of that role. That's why we might have to keep Brooking on the field on third downs against the Redskins and at least for a few weeks of the season.

I expect Lee to eventually take the role, IF they'll let him focus on it in practice.

No. He was a step late in coverage and tackling. Constantly got shoved around and was a total liability versus the run. Guess you dont remember how many 3rd and longs got picked up by the opposition in MLB coverage areas. What will you say when Parcels dumps him?

Hypnotoad

09-06-2010, 06:52 PM

Bill must really thinks Bobby belongs in this league?

We will RUE.

gimmesix

09-06-2010, 07:52 PM

No. He was a step late in coverage and tackling. Constantly got shoved around and was a total liability versus the run. Guess you dont remember how many 3rd and longs got picked up by the opposition in MLB coverage areas. What will you say when Parcels dumps him?

I guess you don't remember the praise he received for his work against some of the best tight ends in the league.

He might be a "total liability" against the run, and that will get him dumped as a linebacker, but his coverage was very good last year. Everyone gives up some plays, but Carpenter had more than his fair share of good coverage, holding opponents to 35 percent on third downs overall attests to that. But even without that, it was clear to see if you don't have hate blinders on.

I have no love for Carpenter and do not care that he is gone, but I'm not going to be unfair in my assessment just because he is no longer with Dallas.

AbeBeta

09-06-2010, 08:05 PM

I know that Barbie's dad played for Bill, but geez. Seriously, was there an affair between Barbie's mom and Big Bill? Is Barbie Bill's love child? He sure didn't draft him #1 or sign him to the Dolphins based on talent.

For the last time. Carp was a consensus #1. He went about the spot that most teams had him slotted. He just sucked.

Bill didn't really like him much as a player - he had the kid inactive for several games and didn't play him much at all.

casmith07

09-06-2010, 08:38 PM

For the last time. Carp was a consensus #1. He went about the spot that most teams had him slotted. He just sucked.

Bill didn't really like him much as a player - he had the kid inactive for several games and didn't play him much at all.

Then why draft him?

That's exactly the beef I think a lot of people had with Parcells.

Seven

09-06-2010, 10:35 PM

I see a Parcells/Carpenter belly bump at the luggage carousel.........

theebs

09-06-2010, 10:46 PM

Then why draft him?

That's exactly the beef I think a lot of people had with Parcells.

because we needed a strongside linebacker who could stand up the tight end and play the run. In Bill's defense it was crucial that they have a guy to stand the tight end up on that strong side and push the ballcarrier back inside.

Every analyst and every scouting guide had him as a 1.

it didnt work out. oh well, nothing we can do about it now.

AbeBeta

09-07-2010, 12:00 PM

Then why draft him?

That's exactly the beef I think a lot of people had with Parcells.

Umm, because Bill didn't know he was going to turn out crappy. You think he can tell the future.

Bill didn't like what he saw in TC and say Bobby's ***. Would you prefer that he just played him?

AbeBeta

09-07-2010, 12:01 PM

because we needed a strongside linebacker who could stand up the tight end and play the run. In Bill's defense it was crucial that they have a guy to stand the tight end up on that strong side and push the ballcarrier back inside.

Every analyst and every scouting guide had him as a 1.

it didnt work out. oh well, nothing we can do about it now.

and many pundits were saying he was more pro-ready than Hawk. Several even said he'd be a better pro.

Everyone on this board though is so very smart. They knew this would happen

joseephuss

09-07-2010, 12:17 PM

Umm, because Bill didn't know he was going to turn out crappy. You think he can tell the future.

Bill didn't like what he saw in TC and say Bobby's ***. Would you prefer that he just played him?

Then why is Bill picking him up now? Maybe he could not tell the future, but it should be easy to evaluate the past and present.

and many pundits were saying he was more pro-ready than Hawk. Several even said he'd be a better pro.

Everyone on this board though is so very smart. They knew this would happen

I was smart when it came to Carpenter. I was questioning why he was getting a 1st round grade way before his name came up as a possible Cowboys draft pick. I was just not impressed with him when I watched tOSU games.

As the draft approached and he became linked to Dallas, I was hoping that the rumors were not true. I rooted for him because Dallas drafted him, but I did not think he would amount to much.

I got it right. I don't get a cookie for it and it sucks because he was a Cowboy. I would have loved being wrong.

AbeBeta

09-07-2010, 12:40 PM

Then why is Bill picking him up now? Maybe he could not tell the future, but it should be easy to evaluate the past and present.

He's evaluating him as what he is. A good ST player who you can get for cheap. He knows the ST packages and defense your team plays. He'll make like 500k and the guy he displaced made 2 mill.

I was smart when it came to Carpenter. I was questioning why he was getting a 1st round grade way before his name came up as a possible Cowboys draft pick. I was just not impressed with him when I watched tOSU games.

As the draft approached and he became linked to Dallas, I was hoping that the rumors were not true. I rooted for him because Dallas drafted him, but I did not think he would amount to much.

I got it right. I don't get a cookie for it and it sucks because he was a Cowboy. I would have loved being wrong.

You never liked Bobby from the start? I guess you should pursue a career in scouting then because you saw something that most scouts didn't.

joseephuss

09-07-2010, 01:43 PM

He's evaluating him as what he is. A good ST player who you can get for cheap. He knows the ST packages and defense your team plays. He'll make like 500k and the guy he displaced made 2 mill.

You never liked Bobby from the start? I guess you should pursue a career in scouting then because you saw something that most scouts didn't.

I have always said it is easier to pick the busts than it is to pick the pro-bowlers.