Call me crazy, but...

[Dale]

I wouldn't mind seeing Joey Galloway brought back this off-season to a two or three-year contract in the neighborhood of what he restructured for in the trade with Tampa last year.

I know, I know...he only makes the team older. But this team is missing two things at receiver: speed, and a young receiver with the potential of developing into a #1.

While it'd be nice to see a Porter signed, I think the odds of this team spending big bucks at receiver are slim to none, leaving the only option for a young receiver coming in the draft. With or without Galloway, if a Mike Williams falls, we take him and laugh all the way. But even a guy like that wouldn't bring the speed this team needs.

I think working as the team's #3 guy, he could be quite productive since he'd bring the speed dimension the team currently lacks outside. And unlike last time around, he wouldn't be arriving with $42 million in the bank with the expectations of replacing Irvin.

Perhaps he's more valuable to another team and is offered a starting job, but I'd be surprised if he is. As a role player, I think he could still be productive. Many here, if we recall, were for keeping him had we opted to wait for Keyshawn to be released instead of trading for him.

[trickblue]

I know what you are saying, but Glenn is still pretty speedy... and a more reliable target IMHO...

IF we do address the WR spot in FA or the draft, and I think we will, we would be pretty crowded at WR with Copper, Crayton and Morgan developing...

[HeHateMe]

League minimum with incentives.

But I'd rather go with youth.

[Portland Fanatic]

I wouldn't mind seeing Joey Galloway brought back this off-season to a two or three-year contract in the neighborhood of what he restructured for in the trade with Tampa last year.

I know, I know...he only makes the team older. But this team is missing two things at receiver: speed, and a young receiver with the potential of developing into a #1.

While it'd be nice to see a Porter signed, I think the odds of this team spending big bucks at receiver are slim to none, leaving the only option for a young receiver coming in the draft. With or without Galloway, if a Mike Williams falls, we take him and laugh all the way. But even a guy like that wouldn't bring the speed this team needs.

I think working as the team's #3 guy, he could be quite productive since he'd bring the speed dimension the team currently lacks outside. And unlike last time around, he wouldn't be arriving with $42 million in the bank with the expectations of replacing Irvin.

Perhaps he's more valuable to another team and is offered a starting job, but I'd be surprised if he is. As a role player, I think he could still be productive. Many here, if we recall, were for keeping him had we opted to wait for Keyshawn to be released instead of trading for him.
I don't think it's crazy at all myself...I mentioned that a while ago when the Tim Brown and Joey threads were poping up...seems as though the majority are against it.

Here's my thoughts...IF we do not land Williams, Edwards, Clayton, or a Williamson...or go after a higher profile guy like Porter becaue we are focusing on other things, such as defense, THEN...I'm all for bringing Joey back for a couple years as the #3 guy...what is the harm in having three very solid Vets working with a young QB??? I don't really see the down side personally.

[Az Lurker]

back at the beginning of last off season I'd been hoping Dallas would somehow find a way to end up with Keyshawn and Galloway, I think they'd make a terrific pairing. Galloway and a big armed QB (give me a Drew, any will do) could really help stretch the field, opening up oh so many things underneath. I tend to think that given a right side of a O-line and a QB to run it all, Dallas has the makings for a very potent offense.

[Dale]

I don't call the crazy at all myself...I mentioned that a while ago when the Tim Brown and Joey threads were poping up...seems as though the majority are against it.

Here's my thoughts...IF we do not land Williams, Edwards, Clayton, or a Williamson...or go after a higher profile guy like Porter becaue we are focusing on other things, such as defense, THEN...I'm all for bringing Joey back for a couple years as the #3 guy...what is the harm in having three very solid Vets working with a young QB??? I don't really see the down side personally.

Exactly my opinion as well, PF. I'm thinking with all the work needed on the defensive side of the ball, this may once again not be the offseason that the offense gets huge injections of youth. Slowly, we've gotten some in Jones, Witten and possibly Henson, but the receiving corps obviously remains in dire need of help.

[Jimz31]

Why not just make a play for Randy Moss?

Think about our receiving corps then!

KJ going across the middle.....
Glenn taaking the intermediate routes.....
Moss stretching the field and going deep.....
Witten going across the middle, in the flats, or intermediate.....

I like that!

Talk about opening up the running game!

[Bluefin]

I'm simply not a Galloway fan, even though I understand his speed would help the team.

Bill Parcells got rid of him even when he didn't have to last year, so it's hard to foresee either side wanting to try again, IMO.

And while Galloway doesn't seem the type to hold the past against people, I just don't think Parcells wants soft receivers on his team.

[WoodysGirl]

Actually, it's not a bad idea. And you're not the first to actually suggest it. While I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back, I'm kinda hoping Morgan turns into that speed receiver we need if they work on his mechanics in the offseason. Much cheaper option as well.

[Portland Fanatic]

Exactly my opinion as well, PF. I'm thinking with all the work needed on the defensive side of the ball, this may once again not be the offseason that the offense gets huge injections of youth. Slowly, we've gotten some in Jones, Witten and possibly Henson, but the receiving corps obviously remains in dire need of help.
We have way to much going on with building this D...especially if we go 3-4. I personally see Hawthorne and Spears as top priorities in this draft...far more then Williams or Edwards...hoever not popular at all.

I just think we can gap that for another two years with some injections of Copper and Crayton players until the Defense is ready...then finish off with playmakers. We must start with Defense...

I even see a left tackle as a bigger need moving Flo to RT...so many needs right now. WR is a luxory this year.

[Dale]

Why not just make a play for Randy Moss?

Think about our receiving corps then!

KJ going across the middle.....
Glenn taaking the intermediate routes.....
Moss stretching the field and going deep.....
Witten going across the middle, in the flats, or intermediate.....

I like that!

Talk about opening up the running game!

I guess I throw Moss in that category I threw Porter in. I just don't see this team throwing draft picks and 50-million dollar contracts around for 28-year old receivers (although Porter is younger). I could be waaay off here, but my suspicion is that Parcells' priority will be to spend the money on defense primarily, to get 'his' types of players along with playmakers injected onto that side of the ball. If we throw that kind of contract at Moss, along with the draft picks, it will severely hamper Parcells' flexibility in improving the defense.

And with Parcells here, I just can't see a Moss kind of player being pursued. If his problems were OFF the field and not on it (the locker room problems that have always been associated with him), I'd actually think Parcells would be more inclined to pursue him. It seems like he's far less worried about guys off the field than being disruptive within the team, though certainly he'd prefer problems in neither category.

[trickblue]

We have way to much going on with building this D...especially if we go 3-4. I personally see Hawthorne and Spears as top priorities in this draft...far more then Williams or Edwards...hoever not popular at all.

One thing that has me wondering concerning the 3-4...

Our new coaches have been named... Gibbs is the single LB coach... don't most 3-4 teams have 2 LB coaches?

I realize this doesn't mean anything but my guess is that we will run both defenses to confuse the opponent and to optimize certain situations...

[Rack Bauer]

Call me crazy, but...

I wouldn't mind seeing Joey Galloway brought back this off-season



No thanks. He's older then Keyshawn. We need to get younger and better, not older and worse. Bringing back JG would take up a roster spot that could be used on Crayton, Copper, or a rookie WR (Mike Williams would be nice).

I'll pass.

[Bluefin]

One thing that has me wondering concerning the 3-4...

Our new coaches have been named... Gibbs is the single LB coach... don't most 3-4 teams have 2 LB coaches?

I realize this doesn't mean anything but my guess is that we will run both defenses to confuse the opponent and to optimize certain situations...
I've thought about that as well, along with the fact none of the assistants are devout 3-4 guys.

I know the Steelers only have one linebackers coach, but they've been running the 3-4 forever.

It just strikes me as a heavy burden on Parcells.

He's really going to have to be hands on with the defense if more 3-4 is in the works.

And that's good, but the Tuna is no spring chicken and I feel he'd be better served adding some coaches who knew what he wanted to do on defense.

Parcells believes in being hands on with everything during practice, offense and special teams won't get as much attention if he's constantly overseeing and correcting the defense, IMO.

[trickblue]

I've thought about that as well, along with the fact none of the assistants are devout 3-4 guys.

I know the Steelers only have one linebackers coach, but they've been running the 3-4 forever.

It just strikes me as a heavy burden on Parcells.

He's really going to have to be hands on with the defense if more 3-4 is in the works.

And that's good, but the Tuna is no spring chicken and I feel he'd be better served adding some coaches who knew what he wanted to do on defense.

Parcells believes in being hands on with everything during practice, offense and special teams won't get as much attention if he's constantly overseeing and correcting the defense, IMO.

We agree... it certainly CAN be done with 1 LB coach... and Gibbs is certainly a fine coach...

Perhaps BP will go back to his defensive roots and help out on that side of the ball and let Payton have a stab at calling plays...

[Dale]

I've thought about that as well, along with the fact none of the assistants are devout 3-4 guys.

I know the Steelers only have one linebackers coach, but they've been running the 3-4 forever.

It just strikes me as a heavy burden on Parcells.

He's really going to have to be hands on with the defense if more 3-4 is in the works.

And that's good, but the Tuna is no spring chicken and I feel he'd be better served adding some coaches who knew what he wanted to do on defense.

Parcells believes in being hands on with everything during practice, offense and special teams won't get as much attention if he's constantly overseeing and correcting the defense, IMO.

Parcells will be placing far too great a burden on his shoulders if he's planning on basically teaching everyone how to install the 3-4 defense. As reported today with the naming of Soprano the running game coordinator and Payton the passing game coordinator once again, Parcells is expected to call plays for the third consecutive season on offense.

Can he really serve as the head coach, 'offensive coordinator', and play such a huge role on the defensive side of the ball? At his age, I just don't see it.

[jlust22]

I think the idea of bringing back Galloway is a bad one. I am not a Galloway hater, but the Cowboys need to get younger at WR, not older. You don't need or want three 30+ yr. old WR's. Maybe Parcells disagrees, but football is by and large a young man's game. The older you get, the more likely you get hurt. Galloway and Glenn were both injured last year. Even Keyshawn was hurt last year and if he wasn't so tough, he probably would have missed games with his knee injury. I don't think Parcells would have any interest in bringing Galloway back nor do I think Joey would have any interest in coming back to Dallas.

[Bluefin]

We agree... it certainly CAN be done with 1 LB coach... and Gibbs is certainly a fine coach...

Perhaps BP will go back to his defensive roots and help out on that side of the ball and let Payton have a stab at calling plays...
At this rate, he doesn't have a choice.

Parcells went on record sayng that he'd been too soft on the team these first two seasons and that he was going back to Old School Bill Parcells.

That's great.

But does he have the energy to be the mean coach in practice (Carthon's role), teach the 3-4 to the coaches and players, call offensive pays during games, be the single voice of the franchise and everything else his job entails?

That is a lot of work.


Can he really serve as the head coach, 'offensive coordinator', and play such a huge role on the defensive side of the ball? At his age, I just don't see it.
Parcells must think he can, I guess.

If he tries it, it'd only be a matter of time before there was no more wind in his sails.

Given the lack of change of defense, I'm hoping we will continue to use the 4-3 as our base defense and attempt to springle in more 3-4 sets than we have been.

And I've read a couple of time about the defensive players griping that learning two schemes was part of the problem this past season.

I expect them to do whatever they're told, but surely Parcells has heard the same thing.

The players need direction.

I'm not convinced having Parcells' 3-4 in one ear and Zimmer's 4-3 in the other is the best of things.

Big Bill played the 4-3 because the personnel fit it and Zim will never embrace the 3-4, IMO.

I guess as long as the Tuna knows what he's doing, it doesn't matter that all of us are dangling in the wind?

[trickblue]

Parcells went on record sayng that he'd been too soft on the team these first two seasons and that he was going back to Old School Bill Parcells.

Well THAT will certainly attract possible free agents... :rolleyes:

[Bluefin]

Well THAT will certainly attract possible free agents... :rolleyes:
Well, as long as it keeps some 'loafers' out of the fold it'll be a welcome change, IMO.

The players don't need to like Bill Parcells while they're playng under him, they only need to respect him.

The good ones learn to love him over time, often when they get saddled with some prima donna scared of his own shadow.

As long as Jerry writes the checks, players will continue to consider Dallas.

[trickblue]

Well, as long as it keeps some 'loafers' out of the fold it'll be a welcome change, IMO.

The players don't need to like Bill Parcells while they're playng under him, they only need to respect him.

The good ones learn to love him over time, often when they get saddled with some prima donna scared of his own shadow.

As long as Jerry writes the checks, players will continue to consider Dallas.

Well I do agree with you... but what I meant is that many players forgot the edge that made them NFL players... they have slacked a little with the nice paychecks...

They don't realize that discipline and hard work can elevate their play to another level...

[Bluefin]

Well I do agree with you... but what I meant is that many players forgot the edge that made them NFL players... they have slacked a little with the nice paychecks...

They don't realize that discipline and hard work can elevate their play to another level...
That's one thing I like about the Patriots.

Bill Belichick has figured out how to push his guys buttons and they seem to come to play every freakin' week.

That equates to consistent production.

And that's half the battle in itself in a parity driven NFL, IMO.

[trickblue]

That's one thing I like about the Patriots.

Bill Belichick has figured out how to push his guys buttons and they seem to come to play every freakin' week.

That equates to consistent production.

And that's half the battle in itself in a parity driven NFL, IMO.

True... and I think that is the type player Parcells is looking for...

The problem is finding those types... or the ones that potentially are...

[mr.jameswoods]

I think we will, we would be pretty crowded at WR with Copper, Crayton and Morgan developing...

Morgan is still developing...interesting. I could have sworn he was in the league for 4 seasons.

Oh well

[trickblue]

Morgan is still developing...interesting. I could have sworn he was in the league for 4 seasons.

Oh well

Morgan is still a young player... Irvin didn't really come alive until his third year... true... he was injured part of that time... but he was really bad about catching the ball in his bread-basket as opposed to catching it with his hands...

Morgan is a "right-handed" WR... he has trouble wrangling the ball in when he has to catch the ball with his left hand being the dominant (upper) hand...

This has been recognized and will be addressed...

Just because a player has been in the league for 4 seasons doesn't mean he is not developing... the cliche' I hate most of all is "he is really coming i to his own"... hopefully it applies with Moran...

There ae MANY players that have not "gotten it" until their 4th or 5th seasons... thus... developing... ;)

[Sarge]

I'm simply not a Galloway fan, even though I understand his speed would help the team.

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The only way Galloways' speed helped him was that he could run to the sidelines faster instead of getting hit.

[Nors]

I wouldn't mind seeing Joey Galloway brought back this off-season to a two or three-year contract in the neighborhood of what he restructured for in the trade with Tampa last year.

I know, I know...he only makes the team older. But this team is missing two things at receiver: speed, and a young receiver with the potential of developing into a #1.

While it'd be nice to see a Porter signed, I think the odds of this team spending big bucks at receiver are slim to none, leaving the only option for a young receiver coming in the draft. With or without Galloway, if a Mike Williams falls, we take him and laugh all the way. But even a guy like that wouldn't bring the speed this team needs.

I think working as the team's #3 guy, he could be quite productive since he'd bring the speed dimension the team currently lacks outside. And unlike last time around, he wouldn't be arriving with $42 million in the bank with the expectations of replacing Irvin.

Perhaps he's more valuable to another team and is offered a starting job, but I'd be surprised if he is. As a role player, I think he could still be productive. Many here, if we recall, were for keeping him had we opted to wait for Keyshawn to be released instead of trading for him.

We have no proven WR depth, If Glenn were to go down we are screwed..... No speed at WR. Galloway would be a great 3rd WR. I posted a similar thought a few weeks ago.

[Hostile]

I wouldn't mind seeing Joey Galloway brought back this off-season to a two or three-year contract in the neighborhood of what he restructured for in the trade with Tampa last year.

I know, I know...he only makes the team older. But this team is missing two things at receiver: speed, and a young receiver with the potential of developing into a #1.

While it'd be nice to see a Porter signed, I think the odds of this team spending big bucks at receiver are slim to none, leaving the only option for a young receiver coming in the draft. With or without Galloway, if a Mike Williams falls, we take him and laugh all the way. But even a guy like that wouldn't bring the speed this team needs.

I think working as the team's #3 guy, he could be quite productive since he'd bring the speed dimension the team currently lacks outside. And unlike last time around, he wouldn't be arriving with $42 million in the bank with the expectations of replacing Irvin.

Perhaps he's more valuable to another team and is offered a starting job, but I'd be surprised if he is. As a role player, I think he could still be productive. Many here, if we recall, were for keeping him had we opted to wait for Keyshawn to be released instead of trading for him.Given the fact we could have kept Galloway and had Keyshawn for nothing because he was going to be released, I doubt it would happen.

We need some youth at WR. Morgan may develop and he certainly is fast, but I see him as no better than a #2 guy throughout his career. Mike Williams with the 11th pick is our best WR option. We don't have to trade anyone to acquire him, rookie salaries cost less, and he is noted for solid character. He provided much of the offesnive spark for USC, he could do it here.

[Nors]

Given the fact we could have kept Galloway and had Keyshawn for nothing because he was going to be released, I doubt it would happen.

We need some youth at WR. Morgan may develop and he certainly is fast, but I see him as no better than a #2 guy throughout his career. Mike Williams with the 11th pick is our best WR option. We don't have to trade anyone to acquire him, rookie salaries cost less, and he is noted for solid character. He provided much of the offesnive spark for USC, he could do it here.

Will be off the board at #11. I might advocate drafting him, but there probably will be Defense at #11, #20.

We are better to stop gap important depth with Veterans that can add proven value. Than to get "cheap" 7th rounders and UDFA types. In This instance Galloway adds vertical speed.

That would be invaluable to the Drews who throw more vertical than VT.

[DanTanna]

I was no Quincy fan, but he should have kicked Galloway's a$$ 5 times a game for cutting off the routes and running the wrong way.

No love here for the little man that set our team back 3 years.

[InmanRoshi]

Dale, you've been to training camps. You've seen Galloway's schtick with the walking between drill reps and the general half-assing during practice.

During one of the last games of the 2003 season, there was a play on the sidelines where one of our ballcarriers was tackled for what could have been a long gain because Galloway threw an "Olay !!" block. Parcells went absolutely ballistic. It was an expression of total exasperation. I knew at that moment Joey Galloway was a goner.

[SuspectCorner]

Mike Williams with the 11th pick is our best WR option. We don't have to trade anyone to acquire him, rookie salaries cost less, and he is noted for solid character. He provided much of the offesnive spark for USC, he could do it here.
the problem with williams is, for a team in need of vertical speed (i.e. dallas) there is little evidence he is a field-stretcher. if williams gets much bigger, and he's only 20, we're gonna have another TE on our hands - albeit a pretty dangerous one.

[LA=Pancakemaker]

I wouldn't mind seeing Joey Galloway brought back
I wont call u crazy, what i would like to call u is not allowed on this board.

:pee:

[ravidubey]

I'm simply not a Galloway fan, even though I understand his speed would help the team.

Bill Parcells got rid of him even when he didn't have to last year, so it's hard to foresee either side wanting to try again, IMO.

And while Galloway doesn't seem the type to hold the past against people, I just don't think Parcells wants soft receivers on his team.
Galloway isn't soft. He played with a broken hand two yeasr ago and a torn groin this year. What part of that is soft? And the guy is a class act. Get him a QB-- ANY QB and he will succeed. He's proven it time and again, even in TB last year.

[ravidubey]

Dale, you've been to training camps. You've seen Galloway's schtick with the walking between drill reps and the general half-assing during practice.

During one of the last games of the 2003 season, there was a play on the sidelines where one of our ballcarriers was tackled for what could have been a long gain because Galloway threw an "Olay !!" block. Parcells went absolutely ballistic. It was an expression of total exasperation. I knew at that moment Joey Galloway was a goner.
Yeah those blocking skills-- that's what WR's are supposed to do in today's NFL. How about this, you send the WR into a pattern and throw the ball to him? Not into the dirt, or in a 4 yard pattern, or like an gunshot deep with no air, or to the other team, or as part of a trick play-- but to the WR himself? It's a novel concept Bill, you should try it. But no, he's got the image of Mr. Possession Mark Ingram selling his soul for a bizarre 19 yard gain in the 1990/1991 Superbowl. BP didn't even want to draft Glenn and I'm sure WOULDN'T have drafted Keyshawn. The passing game is just not Bill's thing-- and an offense without one has gone the way of the dinosaurs.