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dcfanatic
09-15-2010, 03:53 PM
So I am listening to GAC and TMac comes on and points out how Garrett completely avoids a question on his relationship with Wade by Clarence Hill from the Star Telegram.

Why not just answer the question and tell us all is well between the two...

Garrett avoids quetion on relationship with Wade (http://app.quickblogcast.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/garrett_avoidsquestion.mp3)

Is it Sunday yet? This offense had better find some rhythm in a hurry.

Hostile
09-15-2010, 03:56 PM
I wouldn't have answered that either.

zrinkill
09-15-2010, 03:56 PM
My guess would be cause the media is trying their hardest to stir some crap up.

They smell blood.

And Wade and Garrett are smart enough to not give them anything.

poke
09-15-2010, 03:57 PM
my guess is because he is a football coach and doesnt see the need to act like he is on The View just so the mediots will have something to write about.

good grief, have we as football fans sunk so low as to actually need to hear what kind of " relationship" two coaches have ?

Doomsday101
09-15-2010, 04:00 PM
I wouldn't have answered that either.

I agree whatever is said can and will be used against you in the Dallas Media. Garrett should be able to talk about what is relative to the game not get involved with the media drama BS

Doomsday101
09-15-2010, 04:02 PM
my guess is because he is a football coach and doesnt see the need to act like he is on The View just so the mediots will have something to write about.

good grief, have we as football fans sunk so low as to actually need to hear what kind of " relationship" two coaches have ?

Because enquiring minds what to know. :laugh2:

theogt
09-15-2010, 04:02 PM
My guess would be cause the media is trying their hardest to stir some crap up.

They smell blood.

And Wade and Garrett are smart enough to not give them anything.If they didn't want to give them anything, then he just says "Wade has the ability to call in and change a call. He didn't, so we ran the play I called." The way he looked all bristled and defensive and completely shut down the conversation only fuels the fire.

I mean, this isn't like something new to this coaching group or this team. Reporters have asked others about how the playcalling works. People just want to know how it's handled. When you clam up about it and look defensive, it makes people think something is up.

CaptainAmerica
09-15-2010, 04:04 PM
I've been as big a critic of Red and Wade as anyone the past couple days but they are smart for not being drawn into that soap opera. That's all the media is angling for and if we ever get that soap opera going we are in real trouble.

It's best to just avoid all those type questions.

theogt
09-15-2010, 04:04 PM
my guess is because he is a football coach and doesnt see the need to act like he is on The View just so the mediots will have something to write about.

good grief, have we as football fans sunk so low as to actually need to hear what kind of " relationship" two coaches have ?Do football fans want to know how the system works with how plays are called and how the head coach can intervene?

Uh....yeah.

Doomsday101
09-15-2010, 04:05 PM
If they didn't want to give them anything, then he just says "Wade has the ability to call in and change a call. He didn't, so we ran the play I called." The way he looked all bristled and defensive and completely shut down the conversation only fuels the fire.

I mean, this isn't like something new to this coaching group or this team. Reporters have asked others about how the playcalling works. People just want to know how it's handled. When you clam up about it and look defensive, it makes people think something is up.

No matter what he says or does someone will say he should have said something different. He dealt with the play he is not going to play with the media. These coaches are not there for the approval of the media nor do they work for the media. They have a job to do if they win games the media will get off their case

Hostile
09-15-2010, 04:07 PM
Right before he is asked the question he says he is not going to address that very much more. Then he clearly pays attention to a question about Barron instead of the one about his relationship with Wade.

I don't blame him.

Dough Boy
09-15-2010, 04:07 PM
If they didn't want to give them anything, then he just says "Wade has the ability to call in and change a call. He didn't, so we ran the play I called." The way he looked all bristled and defensive and completely shut down the conversation only fuels the fire.

I mean, this isn't like something new to this coaching group or this team. Reporters have asked others about how the playcalling works. People just want to know how it's handled. When you clam up about it and look defensive, it makes people think something is up.

I watched it and I disagree bro. I took from that the following, "I'm not going to get into the nature of my relationship either good or bad. If you want to talk football - great; if not I'm moving on".

I would have much rather the media ask Red, "why didn't you pound the running game", or "on the last play of the game, if you could do anything different, like change the blocking scheme, would you".

I care more about that, than his relationship with Wade. The media (in Dallas) could care less about X's and O's. They are looking for the next TO storyline.

Red and Wade at odds, news at 11... Red was smart.

Dough Boy
09-15-2010, 04:08 PM
No matter what he says or does someone will say he should have said something different. He dealt with the play he is not going to play with the media. These coaches are not there for the approval of the media nor do they work for the media. They have a job to do if they win games the media will get off their case

Preach on Preacher. Can I get an Amen.............




Amen brother.

Dough Boy
09-15-2010, 04:12 PM
Right before he is asked the question he says he is not going to address that very much more. Then he clearly pays attention to a question about Barron instead of the one about his relationship with Wade.

I don't blame him.

The sharks were out for a storyline. They could care less about football. I don't blame him one bit. As the Tuna would say, Red didn't fall for the Cheese. It was a trap. I'm glad he spotted that one.

Although, he didn't see it coming. 20 seconds after the game, while still seating, my buddy looks over at me and I go, yeah - I know...... The Dallas media is going to turn this into a circus. And they have. Chicago now a must win game. Its the 2nd game of the season, and one guy writes, "is this a must win".

I'm like really......

theogt
09-15-2010, 04:12 PM
No matter what he says or does someone will say he should have said something different. He dealt with the play he is not going to play with the media. These coaches are not there for the approval of the media nor do they work for the media. They have a job to do if they win games the media will get off their caseIf this were completely true, they should just prevent all media access. But they don't, because football is just entertainment.

Hostile
09-15-2010, 04:15 PM
If this were completely true, they should just prevent all media access. But they don't, because football is just entertainment.
It's entertainment to us. To those guys it is a lot more.

Doomsday101
09-15-2010, 04:16 PM
If this were completely true, they should just prevent all media access. But they don't, because football is just entertainment.

Of course the media has access and if it is about the game most coaches will talk about it if it gets outside of the game into other matters coaches will not talk. Even BP would blow off the media on question he had no intention on talking about as do most coaches.

theogt
09-15-2010, 04:19 PM
I watched it and I disagree bro. I took from that the following, "I'm not going to get into the nature of my relationship either good or bad. If you want to talk football - great; if not I'm moving on".

I would have much rather the media ask Red, "why didn't you pound the running game", or "on the last play of the game, if you could do anything different, like change the blocking scheme, would you".

I care more about that, than his relationship with Wade. The media (in Dallas) could care less about X's and O's. They are looking for the next TO storyline.

Red and Wade at odds, news at 11... Red was smart.The reporter's statement was:

Wade was saying he should have overruled that....but when you look at it...he gives you so much autonomy...were you sort of kicking yourself saying "I should have [done something different] than have to wait for him to say something."How is that not a legitimate football question? The question about his "relationship" was not until after he shut it down.

zrinkill
09-15-2010, 04:21 PM
Ok I will play .....


Garrett wants to be head coach and hates Wade .....

Thats what everyone wants to hear ...... correct?

adbutcher
09-15-2010, 04:22 PM
my guess is because he is a football coach and doesnt see the need to act like he is on The View just so the mediots will have something to write about.

good grief, have we as football fans sunk so low as to actually need to hear what kind of " relationship" two coaches have ?

Agreed. That question was yellow and tabloid at best.

poke
09-15-2010, 04:46 PM
Do football fans want to know how the system works with how plays are called and how the head coach can intervene?

Uh....yeah.

that was not the question i was referring to and sadly i think you knew that but your argumentative gene flared up

cowboyjoe
09-15-2010, 04:51 PM
So I am listening to GAC and TMac comes on and points out how Garrett completely avoids a question on his relationship with Wade by Clarence Hill from the Star Telegram.

Why not just answer the question and tell us all is well between the two...

Garrett avoids quetion on relationship with Wade (http://app.quickblogcast.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/garrett_avoidsquestion.mp3)

Is it Sunday yet? This offense had better find some rhythm in a hurry.

remember dc, we can turn the rhythm on like a switch :)

cowboyjoe
09-15-2010, 04:53 PM
I wouldn't have answered that either.

i wouldnt have either, just give the reporter that asked it a cold stare and store in memory the reporter that asked the question for future reference if at a later date, jason is head coach, and reporter wants some info, :)

theogt
09-15-2010, 04:55 PM
that was not the question i was referring to and sadly i think you knew that but your argumentative gene flared upActually, I didn't realize when I posted that that he was asked again about the relationship after he shut the conversation down. The question prior (which also referenced the relationship between he and Wade) was a legitimate question. He basically ignored that one too.

Doomsday101
09-15-2010, 04:57 PM
Actually, I didn't realize when I posted that that he was asked again about the relationship after he shut the conversation down. The question prior (which also referenced the relationship between he and Wade) was a legitimate question. He basically ignored that one too.

A coach ignoring a stupid question? That has to be a 1st.

Randy White
09-15-2010, 04:58 PM
So I am listening to GAC and TMac comes on and points out how Garrett completely avoids a question on his relationship with Wade by Clarence Hill from the Star Telegram.

Why not just answer the question and tell us all is well between the two...


Because it wouldn't stop there and what's now mostly speculation would turn into a national story.

You know better than that.

casmith07
09-15-2010, 05:02 PM
One of those questions that shouldn't even be dignified with a response. Media trying to drum up controversy for ratings.

Randy White
09-15-2010, 05:03 PM
Do football fans want to know how the system works with how plays are called and how the head coach can intervene?

Uh....yeah.

and that only happens in pretend worlds..

If Red says something that might seem like a contradiction of a play call, or action, in the past, then the story changes away from your rosy scenario and turns into a " he said / he said "..

Come on folks.. You're not amateurs at this. This is not YOUR first " rodeo ".

Doomsday101
09-15-2010, 05:04 PM
Garrett said he made the call it was his mistake that is true as OC he makes the calls on offense and is not shying from his responsiblity. Wade as HC also has responsbility to call the play off if he sees fit Wade did not do it and took full ownership of it as HC. Really do not know what more can be said about it. Of course the media wants more but just because they want more does not mean they will get it.

elcowboi
09-15-2010, 05:08 PM
my guess is because he is a football coach and doesnt see the need to act like he is on The View just so the mediots will have something to write about.

good grief, have we as football fans sunk so low as to actually need to hear what kind of " relationship" two coaches have ?

To answer your question...........Yes we have!!!!!!!!!! It's pretty sad actually.

Randy White
09-15-2010, 05:12 PM
did anybody read the Yahoo sports story on the 49ers today about their coaching staff ? If you didn't, here's something interesting, and VERY relevant to this discussion:


Though Singletary said he was listening in on the headsets, the sources claim he isn’t an X’s and O’s guy and doesn’t know what a correct play call would be compared to an incorrect call. Surprisingly, that’s not completely unusual in the coaching profession, but it creates a problem for Singletary on who to blame for the problem and how to fix the issue.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvBmyOofHeHvijZYAw151ChDubYF?slug=jc-directsnap091410

Everything that happens on the field goes back to the headcoach, but it just shows that they're not omniscient, like alot of you think they are.

It's truly a team effort all around where trust is just as important as talent, or the ability to design a game plan or make the correct calls.

theogt
09-15-2010, 05:14 PM
did anybody read the Yahoo sports story on the 49ers today about their coaching staff ? If you didn't, here's something interesting, and VERY relevant to this discussion:


Though Singletary said he was listening in on the headsets, the sources claim he isn’t an X’s and O’s guy and doesn’t know what a correct play call would be compared to an incorrect call. Surprisingly, that’s not completely unusual in the coaching profession, but it creates a problem for Singletary on who to blame for the problem and how to fix the issue.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvBmyOofHeHvijZYAw151ChDubYF?slug=jc-directsnap091410

Everything that happens on the field goes back to the headcoach, but it just shows that they're not omniscient, like alot of you think they are.When Singletary was interviewing for the Dallas HC position, it came out that he didn't know anything about Xs and Os. He's basically just a cheerleader.

InmanRoshi
09-15-2010, 05:24 PM
A coach ignoring a stupid question? That has to be a 1st.

Doesn't seem that stupid to me. I would like to know the answer. Especially on the heals of what happened last week.

Randy White
09-15-2010, 05:24 PM
When Singletary was interviewing for the Dallas HC position, it came out that he didn't know anything about Xs and Os. He's basically just a cheerleader.

That's what Jimmah Jenius was too.. A cheerleader with an incredible knack to motivate people ( as his industrial psychology degree would attest ) a genuine feel for the game, and very good eye for talent or at least tell who's capable of doing what and when. Most leaders are that way.

If you go ask Jimmah to name ONE play, either defensive or offensive, that Norv or Dave liked to call in their days and what the responsabilities were, he'd look at you as if you were speaking chinese mandarin.

Now, if you ask him what do you think it would take to defeat such and such a team, he'd sit you down and put you through a semester worth of strategies on how to.

InmanRoshi
09-15-2010, 05:25 PM
did anybody read the Yahoo sports story on the 49ers today about their coaching staff ? If you didn't, here's something interesting, and VERY relevant to this discussion:


Though Singletary said he was listening in on the headsets, the sources claim he isn’t an X’s and O’s guy and doesn’t know what a correct play call would be compared to an incorrect call. Surprisingly, that’s not completely unusual in the coaching profession, but it creates a problem for Singletary on who to blame for the problem and how to fix the issue.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvBmyOofHeHvijZYAw151ChDubYF?slug=jc-directsnap091410

Everything that happens on the field goes back to the headcoach, but it just shows that they're not omniscient, like alot of you think they are.

It's truly a team effort all around where trust is just as important as talent, or the ability to design a game plan or make the correct calls.

Pretty much what Jimmy Johnson was.

theogt
09-15-2010, 05:28 PM
That's what Jimmah Jenius was too.. A cheerleader with an incredible knack to motivate people ( as his industrial psychology degree would attest ) a genuine feel for the game, and very good eye for talent or at least tell who's capable of doing what and when. Most leaders are that way.

If you go ask Jimmah to name ONE play, either defensive or offensive, that Norv or Dave liked to call in their days and what the responsabilities were, he'd look at you as if you were speaking chinese mandarin.

Now, if you ask him what do you think it would take to defeat such and such a team, he'd sit you down and put you through a semester worth of strategies on how to.

Pretty much what Jimmy Johnson was.I think there's a difference between not injecting yourself into the Xs and Os (particularly when you have competent coordinators) and being incapable of doing so.

superpunk
09-15-2010, 05:30 PM
Garrett's silence is deafening.

Randy White
09-15-2010, 05:30 PM
Pretty much what Jimmy Johnson was.


Which, in the end, it was one of the reasons why he wasn't successful down here. Also one of the reasons for " the break up " too.. The friendship wasn't the same after Dave, Tony, and Norv left.

This geniuses type are quarky people that need everything set up the way they believe in order for them to perform at the level they're capable of.

bbgun
09-15-2010, 05:35 PM
Garrett's silence is deafening.

http://yournerdisshowing.com/wp-content/uploads/Ear_Trumpet.jpg

WHAT?

Randy White
09-15-2010, 05:35 PM
I think there's a difference between not injecting yourself into the Xs and Os (particularly when you have competent coordinators) and being incapable of doing so.


I agree, but Jimmah wouldn't have known how to correct a play call if Norv or Dave would have mispronounced it. His asset was to tell Norv OR Dave at certain moments of the game, what to do. As in " we need to run right now ", or " we need to blitz right now ", or " we can't allow the big play at this moment ".. and they would then make the necessary call to accomodate him. but if Norv would call something like " trips right, Z left, lead TE sweep ", Jimmah wouldn't have known that there's no such thing since on trips right, Z left, there's no one linning up as a TE on the field because it's a 4 receiver set.

dcfanatic
09-15-2010, 05:45 PM
I wouldn't have answered that either.

If you don't then you open the door.

Give a quick 'We are all good, I love Wade'.

Door closed.

dcfanatic
09-15-2010, 05:47 PM
If they didn't want to give them anything, then he just says "Wade has the ability to call in and change a call. He didn't, so we ran the play I called." The way he looked all bristled and defensive and completely shut down the conversation only fuels the fire.

I mean, this isn't like something new to this coaching group or this team. Reporters have asked others about how the playcalling works. People just want to know how it's handled. When you clam up about it and look defensive, it makes people think something is up.

Exactly. And when you blatantly avoid it like that it's going to be be talked about for sure.

Hostile
09-15-2010, 05:49 PM
If you don't then you open the door.

Give a quick 'We are all good, I love Wade'.

Door closed.No, it wouldn't be. They would interpret facial expression, body language, and tone of voice and read between the lines. Then make up whatever they wanted to anyway.

Everlastingxxx
09-15-2010, 06:04 PM
I don’t have a problem with anyone asking me how my relationship is with someone else if i really do have a good relationship with them. The only time i don’t want to talk about it is if i have an issue with someone and don’t want to say something i might regret later.

the truth of it all
09-15-2010, 06:06 PM
Easy, he's a CIA developed android. Whose function is to call untimely screens and look emotionless on the sideline.

Chocolate Lab
09-15-2010, 06:21 PM
I agree, but Jimmah wouldn't have known how to correct a play call if Norv or Dave would have mispronounced it. Well that's a little overstatement... Jimmy was at least a college defensive coordinator for a few years. Singletary was never more than a linebackers coach, was he?

Anyway, just wanted to say that Jimmy did know defense, and that was his specialty. Now Xs and Os on offense? Not so much. Although he'd still understand the concepts.

dbair1967
09-15-2010, 06:24 PM
That's what Jimmah Jenius was too.. A cheerleader with an incredible knack to motivate people ( as his industrial psychology degree would attest ) a genuine feel for the game, and very good eye for talent or at least tell who's capable of doing what and when. Most leaders are that way.

If you go ask Jimmah to name ONE play, either defensive or offensive, that Norv or Dave liked to call in their days and what the responsabilities were, he'd look at you as if you were speaking chinese mandarin.

Now, if you ask him what do you think it would take to defeat such and such a team, he'd sit you down and put you through a semester worth of strategies on how to.

Thats absolutely not true. Jimmy was an outstanding defensive coach for several years before he got the HC job at Oklahoma St. He knows defense. Wannstedt learned Jimmy's system and style of defense, not vice versa.

dbair1967
09-15-2010, 06:25 PM
Pretty much what Jimmy Johnson was.

And just as I responded to the other guy, thats not true at all..

theogt
09-15-2010, 06:27 PM
I agree, but Jimmah wouldn't have known how to correct a play call if Norv or Dave would have mispronounced it. His asset was to tell Norv OR Dave at certain moments of the game, what to do. As in " we need to run right now ", or " we need to blitz right now ", or " we can't allow the big play at this moment ".. and they would then make the necessary call to accomodate him. but if Norv would call something like " trips right, Z left, lead TE sweep ", Jimmah wouldn't have known that there's no such thing since on trips right, Z left, there's no one linning up as a TE on the field because it's a 4 receiver set.I doubt that.

Hostile
09-15-2010, 06:29 PM
I don’t have a problem with anyone asking me how my relationship is with someone else if i really do have a good relationship with them. The only time i don’t want to talk about it is if i have an issue with someone and don’t want to say something i might regret later.Okay, you're Jason Garrett and you just answered that way.

I'm Calvin Watkins this is what I write.

Today Jason Garrett was asked how his relationship was with Wade Phillips. Garrett looked uncomfortable and then described their relationship as good. Why then did Garrett feel the need to take the blame for the play call on Choice's fumble after Wade had already done so?

Is there trouble afoot in the Offices at Valley Ranch? Was Jason saying it was his play call because he has authority over Wade on the Offensive side of the ball? Is that what leads to their having a "good" relationship because Jason knows he is actually an equal partner in this team or a co head coach.

Clearly Wade is just keeping Jason's seat warm and he doesn't wish to rock the boat. Why would he answer that question at all? Why not stick to football and the task of beating the Chicago Bears? Shouldn't he be focused on that and not on whether he and Wade have a "good" relationship?

How is this good for the team?

theogt
09-15-2010, 06:41 PM
How is this good for the team?It's not. And it's why Jason should have just said, "While Wade has the ability to change the call, I called the play and it was my fault -- I take responsibility."

No controversy. Garrett saves face. The facts are reported. Game over.

Instead, he looked awkward and defensive and upset about the line of questioning. And he clammed up and purposefully changed the subject. It just looks as though he's trying to hide something.

dbair1967
09-15-2010, 07:27 PM
It's not. And it's why Jason should have just said, "While Wade has the ability to change the call,t I called he play and it was my fault -- I take responsibility."
No controversy. Garrett saves face. The facts are reported. Game over.

Instead, he looked awkward and defensive and upset about the line of questioning. And he clammed up and purposefully changed the subject. It just looks as though he's trying to hide something.

isnt that just what he said?

theogt
09-15-2010, 07:31 PM
isnt that just what he said?If you take that bolded part completely out of context, thus depriving the statement of part of its meaning, then yes that's exactly what he said.

ZeroClub
09-15-2010, 07:40 PM
Here's hoping a Wade - Garrett rift widens, becomes much worse, and we end up with the 85 Bears ....

dadymat
09-15-2010, 07:41 PM
consider yourselves sucked.............


http://www.foxnews.com/images/255822/0_61_parcells_bill1.jpg


i would think you all would know better by now......:bang2:

this all got started when Werder was on GAC yesterday and said "theres rumblings that Wade wouldnt mind winning every game 10 to 6 just to make Garrett look bad and himself good....then when asked who said that it was "well it wasnt really said just implied"......typical ESPN BS....but....keep sucking if you must...



Garrett answering those questions would have turned into a media chop session....

example.....

Garrett says he and Wade are fine

ESPN headline....Jason Garrett says relationship with Wade is not good or great ...just fine

Hostile
09-15-2010, 07:55 PM
It's not. And it's why Jason should have just said, "While Wade has the ability to change the call, I called the play and it was my fault -- I take responsibility."

No controversy. Garrett saves face. The facts are reported. Game over.

Instead, he looked awkward and defensive and upset about the line of questioning. And he clammed up and purposefully changed the subject. It just looks as though he's trying to hide something.That doesn't answer the question though.

theogt
09-15-2010, 07:57 PM
That doesn't answer the question though.The "question" he was answering was:

Wade was saying he should have overruled that....but when you look at it...he gives you so much autonomy...were you sort of kicking yourself saying "I should have [done something different] than have to wait for him to say something."