Audio: Woody 'Don't know how Barron gets back on the plane'

[dcfanatic]

Darren Woodson: 'Don't know how Barron gets back on the plane' (http:// sblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/darren-woodson-dont-know-how-barron.html)



Thursday night while listening to ESPNDallas Live I was waiting for Darren Woodson to come on and talk about the Cowboys loss to the Skins and about how they bounce back against the Bears this week.

But the online feed crapped out. Just checked back and noticed the guys podcasted. So while this is a little late it's a great listen.

Woody is one of my favorite all time Cowboys. The man is the All-Time leader in Tackles so how could you not love him. He was in Dallas for the Jimmy Johnson Era and I love hearing him compare how things were run then and how things are run now across the NFL.

Some very intriguing commentary on all issues surrounding the Cowboys these days. And I have to give Kudos to Bryan Broaddus for hitting him with the tough question about Jerry Jones in here...

Woody talks Cowboys on ESPNDallas Live - Sep 16 (http://app.quickblogcast.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/woody_sep17.mp3)

You could just hear how serious the tone got in here. Woody is a Cowboys fan at heart. Just like Michael Irvin. They work in the media, but when the cameras are off these guy bleed Cowboy blue my friends.

Great stuff from Woody and the guys at ESPNDallas Live.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Darren Woodson will always be one of my favorite players!

[The Emperor]

Interesting. Darren Woodson said that Sean Payton and Jason Garrett are similar in the fact they "attack, attack, attack."

[jobberone]

Nice audio. Thanks for posting.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Interesting. Darren Woodson said that Sean Payton and Jason Garrett are similar in the fact they "attack, attack, attack."

Actually, one of the first things Woodson said was that Garrett has to do something to get this offense going - basically putting the accountability of the offensive gaffes on Garrett himself, squarely where it belongs.

Woodson also pointed out that with 3 backs you have to pound the ball more, regardless if the defense knows it's coming or not. THAT is what an attacking style really is. Not Garrett's "take what hte defense gives us" ninsense.

And when Woddson equated an attacking style to Garrett he did it only in the context of that last play of the first half, and further indicated that Garrett should have know better than to have that attacking mentalitiy in that specific moment.

[The Emperor]

Actually, one of the first things Woodson said was that Garrett has to do something to get this offense going - basically putting the accountability of the offensive gaffes on Garrett himself, squarely where it belongs.

Woodson also pointed out that with 3 backs you have to pound the ball more, regardless if the defense knows it's coming or not. THAT is what an attacking style really is. Not Garrett's "take what hte defense gives us" ninsense.

And when Woddson equated an attacking style to Garrett he did it only in the context of that last play of the first half, and further indicated that Garrett should have know better than to have that attacking mentalitiy in that specific moment.

Right, but then Payton's attacking style was quelled by Parcells on occasion. And that's what I said after the loss -- maybe not here, but elsewhere -- that Wade Phillips, if he wants to save his job, needs to stand as an impediment to Garrett's unchecked stupidity.

I mean, think about it: if we go 8-8 and have the #1 defense and the #15 offense, who's going to get fired? Garrett or Wade? Wade will, and then in an ironic twist of fate, Garrett gets promoted to head coach.

And I agree that we need to run the ball more. But the thing Garrett did was give up on the run too soon. It was working pretty effectively, and he just decided to give up on it.

The defense was giving us the run. Why weren't we taking it?

Anyway, whatever. I'm hoping Garrett isn't a dunce tomorrow, the defense plays lights out again, the special teams gives poor field position to them and great field position to us, and we win the game and have a week off with the microcephalics in our own fanbase all of a sudden thinking we're the greatest team since the '77 Cowboys.

[Doomsday]

Interesting. Darren Woodson said that Sean Payton and Jason Garrett are similar in the fact they "attack, attack, attack."

Only when Payton saw the pass wasnt working in the first half last week he went against his game plan to spread them out and throw it and tried pounding them with the run. It was working so he kept pounding it. JG would never do that.

[LeonDixson]

I agree with Woody. If I were the coach, Barron doesn't even get on the same plane as the rest of team. Send a HUGE message.

[Chocolate Lab]

Funny, Woody said exactly what so many of us have: Run the ball. Quit throwing it all around the lot. And even if you know we're going to do it, run it down their throat anyway.

He also talks about the Jerry gray areas so many of us don't like.

Glad you found this, because I heard about the last half of it live, but missed the first part.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I agree with Woody. If I were the coach, Barron doesn't even get on the same plane as the rest of team. Send a HUGE message.

Let's not forget that Jason Garrett is the Assistnat Head Coach in Dallas and also has full control of the offense. So any bold decision concerning Barron is also his to make, only he also failed to make it. I think it's fitting to point that out so we don't just assume that the decision to not cut Barron should somehow reflect poorly on Wade Phillips only.

[blindzebra]

Let's not forget that Jason Garrett is the Assistnat Head Coach in Dallas and also has full control of the offense. So any bold decision concerning Barron is also his to make, only he also failed to make it. I think it's fitting to point that out so we don't just assume that the decision to not cut Barron should somehow reflect poorly on Wade Phillips only.

Agenda much?

Let me guess it rained somewhere and it was Garrett's fault.

[Randy White]

Only when Payton saw the pass wasnt working in the first half last week he went against his game plan to spread them out and throw it and tried pounding them with the run. It was working so he kept pounding it. JG would never do that.

Saints Week 1 rushing:

25 attempts, 79 yards, 3.2 avg, 1 TD, 11 yards longest run.

Cowboys Week 1 rushing:

22 attempts, 103 yards, 4.7 avg, 0 TD, 12 yards longest run.


The difference ? The Saints won their game, the Cowboys didn't win theirs.




If it wasn't because the Dallas Cowboys are my favorite team and it would hurt them deeply if it happened, I would root for Jason Garrett to leave the organization just to throw it back in the face of the WHINERS in here a year later.

Funny thing that there are PLENTY of people in here willing to contribute to the " buy JG a one way ticket out of town " fan club, but I have YET to hear ONE person's name as his replacement..

So come on, geniuses, who is your favorite play caller who's waiting around, just itching to take this team to the SB ?

[dcfanatic]

Saints Week 1 rushing:

25 attempts, 79 yards, 3.2 avg, 1 TD, 11 yards longest run.

Cowboys Week 1 rushing:

22 attempts, 103 yards, 4.7 avg, 0 TD, 12 yards longest run.


The difference ? The Saints won their game, the Cowboys didn't win theirs.




If it wasn't because the Dallas Cowboys are my favorite team and it would hurt them deeply if it happened, I would root for Jason Garrett to leave the organization just to throw it back in the face of the WHINERS in here a year later.

Funny thing that there are PLENTY of people in here willing to contribute to the " buy JG a one way ticket out of town " fan club, but I have YET to hear ONE person's name as his replacement..

So come on, geniuses, who is your favorite play caller who's waiting around, just itching to take this team to the SB ?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/1999.htm

[Randy White]

what the " geniuses " in here don't realize is that THE best offensive coordinator for this particular Cowboys offense is somebody who is exactly like Jason Garrett.

If the Cowboys bring in somebody who's more conservative and runs the ball significantly more, then he'd be wasting THE best talent on offense: Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Austin Miles.. etc and halfway through the season, these same " geniuses " would be calling for HIS head. The shouted questions of " Where are the deep passes ? " that were thrown when Gailey was in charge of the offense still resonate in the DC metroplex area.

If the Cowboys bring in somebody who's more " trigger happy " ( Any of you geniuses in here want Martz, Mike Leach, or June Jones, over JG ? ) then the cries of " we ain't no chuck n duck offense 'round this parts " would grow louder than a nuclear siren.

The best OC for this current offense is somebody who's aggressive, believes in a a balance game plan, but above all that: takes advantage of the talent he's given to work with. That's who Jason Garrett is. Is he " perfect " ? Not by any stretch of the imagination. He's just as fallible as any other person who's ever called plays in the NFL, but he's also better than most.

What the " geniuses " in here are angry about is the results and results are 90% of a product called EXECUTION.

And guess who's in charge of that ?

[Randy White]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/min/1999.htm


You want Brian Billick ? He's the original Jason Garrett when Garrett was carrying clipboards in the NFL..

As a matter of fact:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2007.htm


Compare the numbers..

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Agenda much?

Let me guess it rained somewhere and it was Garrett's fault.

Agenda? Seems I struck a nerve among a Garrett aplogist. Me, I'm not an apologist nor a hater. I want him to succeed, but he falls short of that - proves to be more of the same year after year. Hey, I'm just calling it like I see it. If you don't like the truth - tough nuts!

[diehard2294]

thanks for posting.. loved woodson as a player and he makes valid points with this interview..

especially the part about the window for some of these players to succeed

today should be interesting

[Dave_in-NC]

Saints Week 1 rushing:

25 attempts, 79 yards, 3.2 avg, 1 TD, 11 yards longest run.

Cowboys Week 1 rushing:

22 attempts, 103 yards, 4.7 avg, 0 TD, 12 yards longest run.


The difference ? The Saints won their game, the Cowboys didn't win theirs.




If it wasn't because the Dallas Cowboys are my favorite team and it would hurt them deeply if it happened, I would root for Jason Garrett to leave the organization just to throw it back in the face of the WHINERS in here a year later.

Funny thing that there are PLENTY of people in here willing to contribute to the " buy JG a one way ticket out of town " fan club, but I have YET to hear ONE person's name as his replacement..

So come on, geniuses, who is your favorite play caller who's waiting around, just itching to take this team to the SB ?

The difference is the Saints capitalized with a score running the ball. It paid off.
We get to where we can make it pay off and don't even try. Maybe this week.

[Beast_from_East]

I was really dissappointed by this organization that Barron was simply given a "pass" for blowing a road divisional game.


He should have been cut in the lockerroom.

[percyhoward]

When Payton saw the pass wasn't working in the first half last week he went against his game plan to spread them out and throw it and tried pounding them with the run. It was working so he kept pounding it.
That's an excellent observation.

The play-by-play of the 2nd half of that Saints-Vikings game is something our offensive coaches should look at and learn from.

[percyhoward]

Saints Week 1 rushing:

25 attempts, 79 yards, 3.2 avg, 1 TD, 11 yards longest run.

Cowboys Week 1 rushing:

22 attempts, 103 yards, 4.7 avg, 0 TD, 12 yards longest run.


The difference ? The Saints won their game, the Cowboys didn't win theirs.

That's the point, though. The Saints don't run the ball as well as we do, and they were running it even worse in that particular game, but they made the necessary adjustment to the run and it paid off for them.

The Saints realized they were in a low-scoring, defensive game. They came out in the second half with an 11-play, 74-yard drive, in which they ran 7 times, averaging 5 yards per run. That drive won them the game.

You look at their stats for the whole game, and their rushing average was terrible. To you this means Peyton switched to an ill-advised strategy and just happened to win the game. To me it shows how a coaching staff made an adjustment, and it highlights just how big our mistake was, because the Saints weren't even running well like we were, and we still didn't adjust.

[Randy White]

That's the point, though. The Saints don't run the ball as well as we do, and they were running it even worse in that particular game, but they made the necessary adjustment to the run and it paid off for them..

The Saints didn't make any " necessary adjustments ", nor Payton is anymore of a " genius " than JG was last week.

The difference was that the Saints' right tackle didn't commit a penalty on their game winning scoring drive that nullified the TD at the end of that drive. The difference was that a Saints' RB didn't fumble the ball that turned into a TD that gave the Vikings a 10 points lead right before half time.

That's THE point.

Not what should have been called, not what wasn't called, how many times it should have been a run instead of a pass, or vice versa.

Had either of TWO things that a Dallas Cowboys' PLAYER had control over NOT happened: fumble or holding, the Cowboys would have won the game.

[Sarge]

Drew Brees has a bout a half a day longer to get his passes off than Romo. Just watch the Saints play.

OL OL OL OL.

[percyhoward]

The Saints didn't make any " necessary adjustments ", nor Payton is anymore of a " genius " than JG was last week.

The difference was that the Saints' right tackle didn't commit a penalty on their game winning scoring drive that nullified the TD at the end of that drive. The difference was that a Saints' RB didn't fumble the ball that turned into a TD that gave the Vikings a 10 points lead right before half time.

That's THE point.

Not what should have been called, not what wasn't called, how many times it should have been a run instead of a pass, or vice versa.

Had either of TWO things that a Dallas Cowboys' PLAYER had control over NOT happened: fumble or holding, the Cowboys would have won the game.
I respectfully disagree. They had a 21-3 pass-run ratio in the first half, then came out in the 2nd half, and 7 of their first 11 plays were runs.

That's an adjustment.

[Randy White]

I respectfully disagree. They had a 21-3 pass-run ratio in the first half, then came out in the 2nd half, and 7 of their first 11 plays were runs.

That's an adjustment.


That " adjustment " didn't win the game. If ANY " adjustment " won it was the fact that the Saints defense allowed ZERO points in the 3rd quarter and ZERO points in the 4th quarter, after they allowed 9 points in the 2nd quarter.


The two differences between both games, once again, were:

a) Their offense didn't give up a TD with a turnover.
b) None of their lineman committed a penalty that nullified either of their TDs.

Had either of those two things happened to the Saints in that game, they lose it by the score of 16 - 7 or the score of 9-7, no matter how many times they ran it in the 2nd half or the first half.

[percyhoward]

That " adjustment " didn't win the game. If ANY " adjustment " won it was the fact that the Saints defense allowed ZERO points in the 3rd quarter and ZERO points in the 4th quarter, after they allowed 9 points in the 2nd quarter.
And if the Saints don't score that touchdown, they lose despite all of those things.

[Randy White]

And if the Saints don't score that touchdown, they lose despite all of those things.

Exactly what I'm saying. That's the difference between both games. One team EXECUTED the way they were supposed to, the other one DID NOT.

[percyhoward]

Exactly what I'm saying. That's the difference between both games. One team EXECUTED the way they were supposed to, the other one DID NOT.
You're partly right. That's *one* of the differences between the games.

The Saints' halftime adjustment to run the ball more that led to the game-winning TD is another.

[dcfanatic]

You want Brian Billick ? He's the original Jason Garrett when Garrett was carrying clipboards in the NFL..

As a matter of fact:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2007.htm


Compare the numbers..

Brian Billick was not the OC in 1999.

Ray Sherman was though.

[EGG]

And guess who's in charge of that ?

Explain how the head coach is more responsible for the execution of the offense than the offensive coordinator and position coaches...

[stardeep]

As far as I'm concerned, this is one of the defining interviews of the Phillips-era.

Woodson has a pure understanding of football that is rife with common sense.

He was plain and direct and commonsensical.

His words carried a gravitas that many lack when discussing football.

I should end it there, but I'm not done with the Alex Barron issue because it bespeaks an ongoing problem that won't be buried beneath whatever happens this Sunday or next.

If you have just blown a crucial game, against a divisional rival, in a season as important as this (window of opportunity), and you are not crushed, or disgusted, or torn up about it... are in fact smiling about it moments afterwards, you should not be allowed to continue to be a part of a group who takes this season seriously.

The message this sends to the rest of the team disgusts me. I don't care who is sending it -- Jones or Phillips -- it is wrong. It lacks courage and boldness. Two things this team needs if they are to grow into the next level of competitiveness.

Whatever the implications of cutting Barron after the game last week, they would have been mitigated and subsumed by the attitude it would have instilled in the rest of the team.

We could have taken a negative and built something positive out of it. It could have been a flashpoint. A rallying point of common purpose. A step forward. A narrowing of the eyes, a gritting of the teeth.

Instead it was some joker grinning in the face of a loss.

That won't win Superbowls.

[bbailey423]

Right, but then Payton's attacking style was quelled by Parcells on occasion. And that's what I said after the loss -- maybe not here, but elsewhere -- that Wade Phillips, if he wants to save his job, needs to stand as an impediment to Garrett's unchecked stupidity.

I mean, think about it: if we go 8-8 and have the #1 defense and the #15 offense, who's going to get fired? Garrett or Wade? Wade will, and then in an ironic twist of fate, Garrett gets promoted to head coach.

And I agree that we need to run the ball more. But the thing Garrett did was give up on the run too soon. It was working pretty effectively, and he just decided to give up on it.

The defense was giving us the run. Why weren't we taking it?

Anyway, whatever. I'm hoping Garrett isn't a dunce tomorrow, the defense plays lights out again, the special teams gives poor field position to them and great field position to us, and we win the game and have a week off with the microcephalics in our own fanbase all of a sudden thinking we're the greatest team since the '77 Cowboys.
if we go 8-8 they are both gone...and there will be some suprise move on players as well. Bradie will be gone. Choice will be traded. Roy Williams will be gone. An interior OL will be gone. A couple of DL will be gone. The window for these players is THIS year. We do not have to win the Super Bowl...but we better not end this year like last...or like I said...big changes will be coming.

[Chief]

As far as I'm concerned, this is one of the defining interviews of the Phillips-era.

Woodson has a pure understanding of football that is rife with common sense.

He was plain and direct and commonsensical.

His words carried a gravitas that many lack when discussing football.

I should end it there, but I'm not done with the Alex Barron issue because it bespeaks an ongoing problem that won't be buried beneath whatever happens this Sunday or next.

If you have just blown a crucial game, against a divisional rival, in a season as important as this (window of opportunity), and you are not crushed, or disgusted, or torn up about it... are in fact smiling about it moments afterwards, you should not be allowed to continue to be a part of a group who takes this season seriously.

The message this sends to the rest of the team disgusts me. I don't care who is sending it -- Jones or Phillips -- it is wrong. It lacks courage and boldness. Two things this team needs if they are to grow into the next level of competitiveness.

Whatever the implications of cutting Barron after the game last week, they would have been mitigated and subsumed by the attitude it would have instilled in the rest of the team.

We could have taken a negative and built something positive out of it. It could have been a flashpoint. A rallying point of common purpose. A step forward. A narrowing of the eyes, a gritting of the teeth.

Instead it was some joker grinning in the face of a loss.

That won't win Superbowls.

Nice post.

This lack of accountability problem has bothered for me for about three years now. For the most part, this is a sloppy football team -- especially on offense -- and has been for awhile.

I usually get over a loss fairly quickly, but I'm still steaming over the loss to the Redskins. Completely unacceptable the way that game was played and lost.

[Primetime42]

what the " geniuses " in here don't realize is that THE best offensive coordinator for this particular Cowboys offense is somebody who is exactly like Jason Garrett.

If the Cowboys bring in somebody who's more conservative and runs the ball significantly more, then he'd be wasting THE best talent on offense: Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Austin Miles.. etc and halfway through the season, these same " geniuses " would be calling for HIS head. The shouted questions of " Where are the deep passes ? " that were thrown when Gailey was in charge of the offense still resonate in the DC metroplex area.

If the Cowboys bring in somebody who's more " trigger happy " ( Any of you geniuses in here want Martz, Mike Leach, or June Jones, over JG ? ) then the cries of " we ain't no chuck n duck offense 'round this parts " would grow louder than a nuclear siren.

The best OC for this current offense is somebody who's aggressive, believes in a a balance game plan, but above all that: takes advantage of the talent he's given to work with. That's who Jason Garrett is. Is he " perfect " ? Not by any stretch of the imagination. He's just as fallible as any other person who's ever called plays in the NFL, but he's also better than most.

What the " geniuses " in here are angry about is the results and results are 90% of a product called EXECUTION.

And guess who's in charge of that ?
I don't think anyone is asking for Joe Bugel to be running this offense. I'd settle for someone who is willing to make adjustments, sees what's working and what's not, and ride what's most effective.

Above all else, I'd like to see a guy who doesn't run the ball 8 times when he's losing by one touchdown and gets the ball into his top playmaker's hands more than 10 out of 71 snaps.