How much will Coles cost?

[Dale]

This is a guy that just signed a $40-something million contract a few offseasons ago. His performance dropped last season, but he's still a fairly 'big name' guy.

Does he get $30 million from some team this offseason? $25 million? And are we willing to pay that much?

[Dough Boy]

This is a guy that just signed a $40-something million contract a few offseasons ago. His performance dropped last season, but he's still a fairly 'big name' guy.

Does he get $30 million from some team this offseason? $25 million? And are we willing to pay that much?

Great question Dale. I recall Key saying that Philly was interested in him last offseason, but he wanted to play for Bill. Maybe Coles has the same feeling. If not, the price could be steep. He is only 27, and even though last year's numbers were down, he caught 90 balls for 950 yds. I think that is more of an inditment on the offense and less on him. I think he will get a $8 million signon with a total contract around $25 million.

[Fan Since 77]

This is a guy that just signed a $40-something million contract a few offseasons ago. His performance dropped last season, but he's still a fairly 'big name' guy.

Does he get $30 million from some team this offseason? $25 million? And are we willing to pay that much?

If there is a team out there who feels like they are one playmaker away on offense from a superbowl or the playoffs then yes, he will get paid.

The problem for the Cowboys is we're going shopping for cars, but we really can't afford the BMW's because we've got a family of needs, so we're forced to buy the minivans :)

[TruBlueCowboy]

I guess the price isn't too bad because if you think about it, Glenn and Keyshawn probably won't be on this team much longer and both of those guys probably equal whatever salary we give Coles. We mainly have to worry about any salary cap damage if let go of him early with a huge signing bonus. (Like the Redskins! :p: Thank god they're finally paying for one of those signings!)

[SuspectCorner]

coles acquisition might include the "BP discount". at the very least it will address depth in the vertical game and allow us to concentrate on the passrush in the draft.

coles is young enough that, barring a failed physical, he'd be worth a 5-year deal. he's a trooper. i can't believe gibbs is allowing his release.

[Hostile]

This is a guy that just signed a $40-something million contract a few offseasons ago. His performance dropped last season, but he's still a fairly 'big name' guy.

Does he get $30 million from some team this offseason? $25 million? And are we willing to pay that much?Didn't Parcells recently maintain that Coles was the smartest Draft pick he ever made?

I could see this happening and I'd like it.

[Fan Since 77]

Didn't Parcells recently maintain that Coles was the best Draft pick he ever made?

I could see this happening and I'd like it.

Don't mean to sidetrack the thread or anything....but I'm wondering if Parcells had anything to do with this. Bah, forget I even said that...

[Dale]

Didn't Parcells recently maintain that Coles was the best Draft pick he ever made?

I could see this happening and I'd like it.

You're right, Hos, he did.

In an odd twist of irony, the Glenn/Keyshawn injuries could serve as a blessing in disguise. Had neither player -- much less both of them -- gotten hurt last season, the feeling of needing to get another receiver might not be there. But knowing both these guys are getting older with a minor injury history could be the impetus for signing a guy like Coles.

[Champsheart]

OH Boy, Things just keep getting more and more interesting. Titans are releasing some good guys, and now Coles.

Free agency is starting to look better and better.

I just can not wait until March 2nd!

Shop Jerry, Shop!

[Hostile]

OH Boy, Things just keep getting more and more interesting. Titans are releasing some good guys, and now Coles.

Free agency is starting to look better and better.

I just can not wait until March 2nd!

Shop Jerry, Shop!Coles, Donovan Darius, and Gary Baxter definitely top my list if this happens.

[Chocolate Lab]

Coles just seems like one of those guys whose press is bigger than his production... But maybe that's mainly because he hasn't ever done much against us.

I just can't see Parcells benching Glenn or Keyshawn. Even if we got Coles -- who might be the only FA WR Parcells is interested in, for the obvious reason -- I can't see what the lineup would be, especially as many two-TE sets as we run.

[T-New41]

Coles, Donovan Darius, and Gary Baxter definitely top my list if this happens.

Wow. Imagine that going into the draft...

And if you really want a good chuckle, shoot on over to Extremeskins if we can sign Coles.. :skins:

[Hostile]

Coles just seems like one of those guys whose press is bigger than his production... But maybe that's mainly because he hasn't ever done much against us.

I just can't see Parcells benching Glenn or Keyshawn. Even if we got Coles -- who might be the only FA WR Parcells is interested in, for the obvious reason -- I can't see what the lineup would be, especially as many two-TE sets as we run.Given the rules changes with CBs I think you will see a lot of teams going with more 3 WR sets. Coles is young. Key and Glenn are pushing it.

[Hostile]

Wow. Imagine that going into the draft...

And if you really want a good chuckle, shoot on over to Extremeskins if we can sign Coles.. :skins:Add Pat Williams to that list and I would be giddy. A vet QB then a solid draft. Man, I could get excited about 2005 in a big time hurry.

[T-New41]

Coles just seems like one of those guys whose press is bigger than his production... But maybe that's mainly because he hasn't ever done much against us.

I just can't see Parcells benching Glenn or Keyshawn. Even if we got Coles -- who might be the only FA WR Parcells is interested in, for the obvious reason -- I can't see what the lineup would be, especially as many two-TE sets as we run.

Coles did seem to struggle against us, but in all fairness, Newman is a good match up for Coles (speed vs speed) Newman always struggles with the bigger stronger receivers (I will cry if the Skins get Mike Williams). Add the fact that Roy was laying some serious wood on Coles. My only concern would be his toe. Every since Deion, I am wary of the toes... :banghead:

[T-New41]

Add Pat Williams to that list and I would be giddy. A vet QB then a solid draft. Man, I could get excited about 2005 in a big time hurry.

I feel the winds of change comin..

For some reason, I think this off-season will be a smashing success. (of course I thought that last season too :( ) This year seems different. I can tell we are gonna be players this off-season, not to mention this a much better FA core already...

[Champsheart]

Coles, Donovan Darius, and Gary Baxter definitely top my list if this happens.

Pat Williams is #1 on my list right now. There just are not many options at DT in FA or the draft.
I really think there are only 4 guys total who can help us.
Williams, Ferguson, Hawthorne, and T. Johnson. If we did not sign 1 in FA, we are taking a big gamble that we can draft one of these guys, and could come away with nothing.
Williams is exactly what we need to play the 3-4 or 4-3 in a great area of need.


But I really would love to have Darius.

Darius and Roy at FS and SS!
Talk about two guys that would be laying the lumber.
Every WR's worst nightmare would be playing the Cowboys!

I like Coles as well, but am not as sure about Baxter.
I do like him a little bit, and he is on my list of Corners, but their are a few guys I like better, but if we signed him there would be no crying on my part.

[SuspectCorner]

Pat Williams is #1 on my list right now. There just are not many options at DT in FA or the draft.
I really think there are only 4 guys total who can help us.
Williams, Ferguson, Hawthorne, and T. Johnson. If we did not sign 1 in FA, we are taking a big gamble that we can draft one of these guys, and could come away with nothing.
Williams is exactly what we need to play the 3-4 or 4-3 in a great area of need.


But I really would love to have Darius.

Darius and Roy at FS and SS!
Talk about two guys that would be laying the lumber.
Every WR's worst nightmare would be playing the Cowboys!

I like Coles as well, but am not as sure about Baxter.
I do like him a little bit, and he is on my list of Corners, but their are a few guys I like better, but if we signed him there would be no crying on my part.
baxter should be a much better value than a charles woodson and has the size to move to safety in a pinch. i like the multi-dimensional aspect of the player. he looks super interesting and comes from a great defensive program.

[Zaxor]

Coles did seem to struggle against us, but in all fairness, Newman is a good match up for Coles (speed vs speed) Newman always struggles with the bigger stronger receivers (I will cry if the Skins get Mike Williams). Add the fact that Roy was laying some serious wood on Coles. My only concern would be his toe. Every since Deion, I am wary of the toes... :banghead:
Oh how right you are...He maybe closer to being through than any here expect

Zaxor

[dbair1967]

This is a guy that just signed a $40-something million contract a few offseasons ago. His performance dropped last season, but he's still a fairly 'big name' guy.

Does he get $30 million from some team this offseason? $25 million? And are we willing to pay that much?

like I said in another thread...something is real fishy here...Joe Gobbs isnt stupid...if they are really going to release him he's either alot more injured than they are letting out or perhaps he has off field issues (which he had alot of at FSU) again...either way, why outright release a player like Coles? The guy (if healthy and clean) has tremendous value...

buyer beware

David

[jterrell]

This is a guy that just signed a $40-something million contract a few offseasons ago. His performance dropped last season, but he's still a fairly 'big name' guy.

Does he get $30 million from some team this offseason? $25 million? And are we willing to pay that much?

He got 13 mil up front and 35 mil total fromt he Skins during one of their great spending sprees. Figure they overpaid by 10% because they always do then factor in another 10% devaluation due to age. The numbers look more palatable but are still too steep. You have to factor in the toe somehow so probably want to get a little discount for that. But you also have to figure if Coles is paying back half or more of that 13 mil signing bonus he will want to recoup all that and then some up front.

My yahoo calculus would come up to something like: 25 mil total with 12 mil up front for 4 years. Have 2 of that 12 mil be reporting bonuses due each of the following March 1sts.

[dbair1967]

with Coles injury questions I'd rather invest in Jerry Porter, or even better draft Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards

and Mark Clayton from OU looks alot like Coles to me, except w/o the injury question marks

David

[jterrell]

like I said in another thread...something is real fishy here...Joe Gobbs isnt stupid...if they are really going to release him he's either alot more injured than they are letting out or perhaps he has off field issues (which he had alot of at FSU) again...either way, why outright release a player like Coles? The guy (if healthy and clean) has tremendous value...

buyer beware

David

I dont think that there is any great conspiracy. Reports are Coles just didnt like the offense and even at that played through pain to put up solid numbers.

Here KJ would we the slant and chain mover while Coles could focus on the game breaking stuff where he didnt take all the hits inside.

It makes sense for Wash because Coles would pay back some of that signing bonus and help free up some cap cash. Wash was looking WR with that high pick already anyway.

[ManicDepressiveMan]

I'll pass on the guy.

He's taken a couple of kill shots from Roy.

He is constantly beat up.

His foot problem is chronic.

Not worth it.

[dbair1967]

I dont think that there is any great conspiracy. Reports are Coles just didnt like the offense and even at that played through pain to put up solid numbers.

Here KJ would we the slant and chain mover while Coles could focus on the game breaking stuff where he didnt take all the hits inside.

It makes sense for Wash because Coles would pay back some of that signing bonus and help free up some cap cash. Wash was looking WR with that high pick already anyway.

you dont give away a highly talented player simply because he "doesnt like the offense"...you at least trade him...they apparently have tried to garner interest and found none, or no because of other issues he has know trade value

like I said, too fishy and I'd pass on him

David

[wileedog]

you dont give away a highly talented player simply because he "doesnt like the offense"...you at least trade him...they apparently have tried to garner interest and found none, or no because of other issues he has know trade value

like I said, too fishy and I'd pass on him

David

He has something like $9M left on his signing bonus that would all hit the cap the day a trade was made. Not doable, even with Danny-boys' cap voodoo.

[jterrell]

you dont give away a highly talented player simply because he "doesnt like the offense"...you at least trade him...they apparently have tried to garner interest and found none, or no because of other issues he has know trade value

like I said, too fishy and I'd pass on him

David
Perhaps you missed the little rule where if they trade him they take the cap hit for his SB yet if he gives that back to buy his freedom they don't.

The Skins have like 20 free agents and need cap space.

[InmanRoshi]

The problem is he may be damaged goods. I wonder if its the same type of degenerative toe condition Deion had.

If he's healthy, he's a legitimate #1 WR. He had back to back 80+ catch, 1200 yard seasons in two seasons. It would be a boom or bust type of signing, and you would really have to do your background work. But Parcells already knows his mental makeup and his strengths and weaknesses.

Player's who leave unhappy situations generally accept less than their market value for comfort level. I'm pretty sure Keyshawn could have gotten more than $4 million sb on the open market, had he hit it instead of accepting the trade.

[ghst187]

I'm praying now that Chicago, Tenn, or Oakland take Mike Williams or even that somehow we traded up with Arizona to get him.
I know Wash's QB situation sucks but man I hope they don't get him. Talk about match up problems for many years to come....

[ghettogandhi]

If there is a team out there who feels like they are one playmaker away on offense from a superbowl or the playoffs then yes, he will get paid.

The problem for the Cowboys is we're going shopping for cars, but we really can't afford the BMW's because we've got a family of needs, so we're forced to buy the minivans :)
Keep driving the minivan if you want-

I ll take the Beemer anyday