Skins now trying to trade Coles

[dstew60105]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1996404

Looks like they have quite a mess in DC. Redskins would have to take a 9 million hit if he's traded. Good Ol' Danny Boy!!!

[silverbear]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1996404

Looks like they have quite a mess in DC. Redskins would have to take a 9 million hit if he's traded. Good Ol' Danny Boy!!!

He'd count 9 mil against the cap if TRADED, but if he's CUT, then he has apparently agreed to give back a big chunk of his signing bonus, which would reduce the cap hit significantly...

This is precisely why they're not likely to trade him...

[InmanRoshi]

I don't see it happening. Its obvious Coles is only giving his signing bonus back if he's allowed to hit the open market. The only way a trade would work is if its like Keyshawn or Glenn's deal ... he's traded to a situation he wants to play for badly enough that he's willing to go there and sign a new contract without finding out what his market value is worth.

[Zaxor]

He'd count 9 mil against the cap if TRADED, but if he's CUT, then he has apparently agreed to give back a big chunk of his signing bonus, which would reduce the cap hit significantly...

This is precisely why they're not likely to trade him...
Correct there is no way they can trade him unless somehow or another they can avoid that cap hit

Zaxor

[dstew60105]

Correct there is no way they can trade him unless somehow or another they can avoid that cap hit

Zaxor


I agree as to him not being traded. The Skins are about 4 million under the cap right now and trading him would force alot of restructuring of other deals.

[wileedog]

Sources close to Coles told ESPN.com on Monday morning, however, that the Redskins were "trying to back off" their agreement to release the wide receiver and that they were tryng to trade him before making such a drastic move.

Pure PR spin. Coles is not movable and they know it. Just trying to save face with their fans. "We tried to trade him, but because of his toe etc etc etc....."

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

I dont think hell get traded but if he does I think theres a good shot we get him. 1) Hes that speed guy

2) Hes only mid aged

3) most importantly, hes a parcells guy! parcells drafted him and said last year when we played the skins that Coles was one of his best draft picks ever.

Anyone think its possible if he does get traded its to big D?

[boysfanindc]

all's I know is that Coles must be giving a huge chunk of the signing bonus back.

It's the only way it makes sense, if it gets skins some cap back.

[Juke99]

OK...so my devious mind is at work..

If I'm the Skins...I'd make an open statement that allows Coles to arrange a trade...

I'd pick a scrub player from the roster...tell Coles he has to arrange a trade where the Redskins get back a first and third rounder for the scrub...if that trade can be arranged, I'd tell Coles, "OK now we'll cut you and you don't have to give back any of your bonus"

Coles signs with his new team...the new team trades the two draft picks for the scrub..and everyone is happy.

Uh, I am feeling like Eddie DeBartolo all of a sudden...

Can the Skins actually do this???

[Zaxor]

OK...so my devious mind is at work..

If I'm the Skins...I'd make an open statement that allows Coles to arrange a trade...

I'd pick a scrub player from the roster...tell Coles he has to arrange a trade where the Redskins get back a first and third rounder for the scrub...if that trade can be arranged, I'd tell Coles, "OK now we'll cut you and you don't have to give back any of your bonus"

Coles signs with his new team...the new team trades the two draft picks for the scrub..and everyone is happy.

Uh, I am feeling like Eddie DeBartolo all of a sudden...

Can the Skins actually do this???
they might be able to

but

the cowboys would never be allowed to do it

Zaxor

[ABQCOWBOY]

[QUOTE=Juke99]

Uh, I am feeling like Eddie DeBartolo all of a sudden...

[QUOTE]

You better go take a shower.

You better use lye soap while your at it.

[boysfanindc]

The Skins might like to do this, but why would anyone else play ball?

Clearly their only option without a scheme like the one you mention, is to release him, why not wait.

You may say because it cuts out others, but I would rather give up a little more money then draft picks.

[Juke99]

The Skins might like to do this, but why would anyone else play ball?

Clearly their only option without a scheme like the one you mention, is to release him, why not wait.

You may say because it cuts out others, but I would rather give up a little more money then draft picks.


Well, the other part of it is, the Skins simply tell Coles, "If you don't arrange the trade, you're not going anywhere. We'd rather sit you for the length of the contract than cut you."

So in that case, no other team would even have a shot at him...

[boysfanindc]

Well, the other part of it is, the Skins simply tell Coles, "If you don't arrange the trade, you're not going anywhere. We'd rather sit you for the length of the contract than cut you."

So in that case, no other team would even have a shot at him...

Not even the skins are that stupid, sit a highly productive guy who you are paying millions a year.

I could see them saying we want to keep you, but they will not sit him.

[Juke99]

Not even the skins are that stupid, sit a highly productive guy who you are paying millions a year.

I could see them saying we want to keep you, but they will not sit him.


So the choice is...they cut him and even though he gives back SOME of his cap, they take a cap hit regardless...and get nothing for him.

They trade him and take a HUGE hit...

Or they say, "Sorry you're under contract...arrange the deal...and you can go."

I'm just curious from the standpoint of the NFL legality of doing something like this...forget the rest, it's conjecture...

[Rack Bauer]

OK...so my devious mind is at work..

If I'm the Skins...I'd make an open statement that allows Coles to arrange a trade...

I'd pick a scrub player from the roster...tell Coles he has to arrange a trade where the Redskins get back a first and third rounder for the scrub...if that trade can be arranged, I'd tell Coles, "OK now we'll cut you and you don't have to give back any of your bonus"

Coles signs with his new team...the new team trades the two draft picks for the scrub..and everyone is happy.

Uh, I am feeling like Eddie DeBartolo all of a sudden...

Can the Skins actually do this???


Ummm... what's the point? If they were to release him w/o getting any money back then why not just trade HIM to a team for a first and third?

[Juke99]

Ummm... what's the point? If they were to release him w/o getting any money back then why not just trade HIM to a team for a first and third?


Because if they trade him, that get WHACKED on the cap hit...

So in essence, with my brilliant scheme... :rolleyes: they get the equivalent value for him, without trading him and taking the cap hit. :)

[Rack Bauer]

Because if they trade him, that get WHACKED on the cap hit...
So in essence, with my brilliant scheme... :rolleyes: they get the equivalent value for him, without trading him and taking the cap hit. :)



If they release him w/o getting any money back, it's the EXACT same cap hit.

[StreetPlayaRoss21]

If they release him w/o getting any money back, it's the EXACT same cap hit.hes agreed with gibbs to give most of his remaining SB back if they release him, i think the number is 6.5 - 9 mill they would save by not trading him

[Rack Bauer]

hes agreed with gibbs to give most of his remaining SB back if they release him


Not going by Juke's scenario. Try and keep up.

[Juke99]

If they release him w/o getting any money back, it's the EXACT same cap hit.


Well *tapping foot on floor* you don't have to yell about it... :)

..as part of the deal..he gives back some moolah...so, they cut him, he gives back some...

Ah, never mind...my head is gonna explode...

[Rack Bauer]

Well *tapping foot on floor* you don't have to yell about it... :)

..as part of the deal..he gives back some moolah...so, they cut him, he gives back some...

Ah, never mind...my head is gonna explode...


Not yelling. Just too lazy to use the underline feature. :cool:

[Juke99]

Not yelling. Just too lazy to use the underline feature. :cool:


OH...but it's ok to use it now?

I'm disappointed in you Rack...I'd expect this kinda thing from Winicki but not you. :)

[boysfanindc]

So the choice is...they cut him and even though he gives back SOME of his cap, they take a cap hit regardless...and get nothing for him.

They trade him and take a HUGE hit...

Or they say, "Sorry you're under contract...arrange the deal...and you can go."

I'm just curious from the standpoint of the NFL legality of doing something like this...forget the rest, it's conjecture...

That's what I said earlier the only way it seems to make sense to me is that he gives back more then SOME. Like he gives back what is still to be applied against the remaining years of the contract or pretty close.

If they do this it frees up some nice cap space to maybe sign some of their free agents.

So why would the skins do it? To get rid of a unhappy player while not getting killed on the cap, actually get some money back to sign guys you want.

So why would Coles do it, he must believe he can at least do as well money wise and get to go to a team that will win and use his talents.

But it only seems to work if he is willing to give back a good portion of bonus.

[Juke99]

That's what I said earlier the only way it seems to make sense to me is that he gives back more then SOME. Like he gives back what is still to be applied against the remaining years of the contract or pretty close.

If they do this it frees up some nice cap space to maybe sign some of their free agents.

So why would the skins do it? To get rid of a unhappy player while not getting killed on the cap, actually get some money back to sign guys you want.

So why would Coles do it, he must believe he can at least do as well money wise and get to go to a team that will win and use his talents.

But it only seems to work if he is willing to give back a good portion of bonus.


OK..well I'm glad you understand me...because Rack screwed me all up and now I don't even understand me. :)

That said, I officially will my brilliant idea to you.

If anyone has any questions to ask about this deal, please forward them to boysfanindc.

Thank you.

:)