More sour grapes from the Yanks...

[trickblue]

So... are you donning a skirt? You should be...Link (http://www.newsmax.com/blogs/Freind/id-116)


How Could Bankrupt Rangers Acquire Cliff Lee?
By: Chris Freind

The cries should be loudest in Philadelphia, New York, and San Francisco.

But they’re not.

Fans and baseball owners in those cities should be expressing outrage that their prospects of winning the World Series are seriously hampered by Cliff Lee.

Lee just happens to be one of the best postseason pitchers in baseball.

Last fall, he went 4-0 with a 1.56 ERA in five postseason games, including two wins against the Yankees in the World Series. He was a major reason the Phillies were playing October baseball at all.

After being traded to Seattle, he was later sent to the Texas Rangers, bolstering a team that always faded in the second half of the season.

Now, having advanced to the League Championship Series (the only MLB franchise that had never done so) — in which Lee had two of the three wins, including the decisive last game — the Rangers are a threat to go all the way.

There’s only one problem. The Lee trade should never have happened.

The fact that it did is a direct affront to every team owner, player, and fan.

All except the Texas Rangers, that is.

Why?

Because the Rangers were in bankruptcy at the time of the trade.

Instead of getting their financial house in order — and paying their creditors — Texas pulled out the most improbable victory of the season.

But unlike most games, where there is only one loser, the Rangers’ achievement came at the expense of the other 29 teams.

How did a team in bankruptcy hit this home run?

That bastion of hypocrisy, Major League Baseball, came in as the relief pitcher.

Last year, it loaned the Rangers $18.5 million. And when the team’s ownership defaulted on its $525 million debt, MLB came through with another $21.5 million.

Let’s get this straight.

A team that can’t pay its bills or meet payroll receives a loan from the League — whose money comes from the teams themselves — and then uses that money to acquire arguably the best pitcher in the game.

Hmmm. Something with that picture just isn’t right.

It’s similar to the U.S. government subsidizing companies, such as the GM bailout, while victimizing those who have done nothing wrong.

For example, Honda gets punished for having efficient operations and fiscal responsibility, being forced to compete against the unlimited resources of the government.

But here’s the difference. Honda still makes a superior product, so it will continue to rule the day, although its road to success will be bumpier.

Not so with the Rangers. The “product” they acquired — with OTM (Other Teams’ Money) — is superior to virtually all others on the market.

How many millions is a playoff appearance worth? A league pennant? How about a World Series appearance, let alone a championship?

For the other teams that missed the postseason because of Lee’s prowess, that’s millions down the drain — because of what should have been an illegitimate trade.

The Rangers’ competitors, albeit unwillingly, have given that team the rope — in this case money — to hang the rest of the League.

And should we even mention the riot potential in Philadelphia if the Phillies meet Texas in the World Series, only to lose Game 7 to Cliff Lee?

Most disturbing, but least surprising, is the lack of on-the-record displeasure from the baseball executives.

Too many business leaders exhibit cowardice, instead of guts. And since baseball is a business, team owners are no exception.

Two things are certain:

1. Most, if not all, of the owners are still furious that the Lee trade was permitted to occur, especially those who were vying for playoff spots.

2. But you won’t see any of them voice their opinion — at least for attribution.

Oh, we’ll see anonymous quotes deriding the decision, but none will dare cross the biggest hypocrite of all, MLB Commissioner Bud Selig.

Just look at the “unnamed” executive on the Lee trade, as reported in the New York Times: “The Rangers are acting as if they can go out and spend money . . . money they don’t have . . . for players.”

Not only does Selig know he won’t be opposed, he counts on it. So the arrogance only grows.

Let’s call a spade a spade. It’s business as usual. And because it continues unchecked, all of baseball suffers.

Do we really think it’s a good idea to have a Rangers’ championship blemished with an “asterisk?” It’s a definite possibility.

Asterisks in the record books — delineating that a particular feat was flawed — are becoming commonplace. How many more will it take before the whole sport implodes?
For once, owners would be wise to come in from the cheap seats and step up to the plate.
The integrity — what’s left of it — of America’s favorite pastime depends on it.

[utrunner07]

lol, a Yankee's fan crying about how other teams financial situation, take a look in the mirror ***

8-0 is the Yankees worst post season loss in history. Suck on that Yankee Fans and stupid sports writers who are too dumb to write about anything else, with this article being Evidence A1.

Hey Chris, if the Yankee's were to win the world series are you going to put a * by it because they spend more money than any other team?

What an idiot, just sour grapes, like you said.

[BlueStar22]

seriously?

It was Seattle who decided to make the TRADE to Texas.

[Sam I Am]

Sour grapes is right.

Eat it $200M losers. :rolleyes:

[bbgun]

Pretty sure that's one man's opinion, not the Yankees'. Seattle screwed up by trading Lee to a division rival, which almost never happens in baseball (esp the AL East).

[Sam I Am]

Pretty sure that's one man's opinion, not the Yankees'. Seattle screwed up by trading Lee to a division rival, which almost never happens in baseball (esp the AL East).

You are out of the loop. The Rangers gave up way more talent than the Yankees were offering. Justin Smaok is a BIG TIME talent. Thats what changed the trade into the Rangers favor.

If I was Seattle, I make that trade 100 times without a second thought. (considering the trade offers)

[BlueStar22]

You are out of the loop. The Rangers gave up way more talent than the Yankees were offering. Justin Smaok is a BIG TIME talent. Thats what changed the trade into the Rangers favor.

If I was Seattle, I make that trade 100 times without a second thought. (considering the trade offers)

and so do the Rangers. Three post season wins....it doesn't matter what Justin Smoak does in his career whether he is a perennial all-star....Cliff Lee's 2 3 wins so far have been WORTH IT!

[Royal Laegotti]

You are out of the loop. The Rangers gave up way more talent than the Yankees were offering. Justin Smaok is a BIG TIME talent. Thats what changed the trade into the Rangers favor.

If I was Seattle, I make that trade 100 times without a second thought. (considering the trade offers)

I don't know. You can get hitter here and there like Smoak but I ain't never seen anyone do what CLee is doing now. If he keeps doing this and the Rangers win it all that transcends anything any other pitcher has done in a postseason.

[Royal Laegotti]

Asterisks in the record books — delineating that a particular feat was flawed — are becoming commonplace. How many more will it take before the whole sport implodes?For once, owners would be wise to come in from the cheap seats and step up to the plate.
The integrity — what’s left of it — of America’s favorite pastime depends on it.
An asterisk? Integrity? Is this guy kidding! How many World Series titles of the Yankees' deserve an asterisk from Clemens' steriod use or any of their other user players from the late 90s and this guy wants to give the Rangers an asterisk if they win a World Series, for a business deal. This guys a frikin' JOKE!

[bbgun]

You are out of the loop. The Rangers gave up way more talent than the Yankees were offering. Justin Smaok is a BIG TIME talent. Thats what changed the trade into the Rangers favor.

If I was Seattle, I make that trade 100 times without a second thought. (considering the trade offers)

Seattle used the Yanks to get Texas to up the ante. That much is clear. Smoak is good, but to lock in on him well before the trading deadline was foolish.

[numnuts23]

It's called cash, as in what the Mariners sent along w/ Lee. Lee was only owed about $3 million more this season. Seattle sent over something in the range of $2.5 - $3 million.

[Sam I Am]

Seattle used the Yanks to get Texas to up the ante. That much is clear. Smoak is good, but to lock in on him well before the trading deadline was foolish.

No, Seattle ACCEPTED the Yankees offer and only backed out when Texas caved and threw in Smoak at the last minute.

[Yeagermeister]

Awww poor Yankees they out Yankee'd :laugh2:

[justbob]

I'm going to lose sleep over this --I'm sure I am:D

[tomson75]

Screw the Yankees.

I applaud ANYTHING that proves detrimental to that organization.

[Sam I Am]

Screw the Yankees.

I applaud ANYTHING that proves detrimental to that organization.

I'm nyc and I approve this message. :D

[basstapp]

yankees are the team that you love to hate. They are the face of baseball and everyone makes a huge case about salary cap, but it has proven that teams with a lesser payroll still win. Its all competitive in the long run and the yankees pay out an enormous amount in revenue sharing so... I'm a Yankees fan :)

[Sam I Am]

yankees are the team that you love to hate. They are the face of baseball and everyone makes a huge case about salary cap, but it has proven that teams with a lesser payroll still win. Its all competitive in the long run and the yankees pay out an enormous amount in revenue sharing so... I'm a Yankees fan :)

I understand that other people win, what is wrong with baseball is teams work hard and spend a lot of money to grow talent who end up just walking away because that team can't pay them $25-$30M per season like the Yankees can.

Besides, 27 world series proves that buying players does work. It just doesn't guarantee a championship every year. The Yankees have been buying players for over 90 years and have many championships to prove it. If they would have gotten Cliff Lee this year, it pretty much would have guaranteed them another World Series this year.

Think of it like this. You go to school for 12 years (1st through 12th grade) then go to college for four years and are standing at the podium ready to receive your degree that you worked hard to get and someone else steps up and takes it from you because they have more money than you do. You are left with nothing except the ability to start over.

The issue is deeper than just the fact that the Yankees buy a World Series. How major league baseball functions is fundamentally broken and leaves the other teams at an extreme disadvantage.

[bbgun]

No, Seattle ACCEPTED the Yankees offer and only backed out when Texas caved and threw in Smoak at the last minute.

Correct, they stabbed the Yanks in the back by reneging on a deal. Classy outift those M's.

[Alweezy]

C'mon guys if you guys weren't Cowboys fans I'd tell yall to get the hell out of here with all of this crying.


Cliff Lee not going to the Yankees is a non issue. Nobody expected Lee to be in Texas longer than 3 months. And now we've getting into 4 so it's already paid off.

He was well on his way to New York in the offseason one way or another, and if anything the Yankees were jumping the gun trying to get him this season because their pitching had been so anemic.


If Texas loses in the division series this is a non issue.


When Cliff Lee was struggling from August to September, this was a non issue.


This is only a big deal now because the Rangers team has now made it to the dance. You can't have it both ways.


Why is no one crying over Houston straight giving Lance Berkman to the Yankees to be their designated hitter. How fair is that? Why is no one in Philly crying over Roy Oswalt being dealt to Philly this season, or when they got Lee the first time?


C'mon guys... the yankee fans/media are embarrassing themselves with junk like this. Don't you do it too..

[Sam I Am]

Correct, they stabbed the Yanks in the back by reneging on a deal. Classy outift those M's.

Not that the Yankees are very classy with the way they try to buy a World Series every year.

Guess they don't know what "earning it" means

[Yeagermeister]

Correct, they stabbed the Yanks in the back by reneging on a deal. Classy outift those M's.

Yeah I'm sure they Yankees have never done that to other teams. :rolleyes:

[bbgun]

Not that the Yankees are very classy with the way they try to buy a World Series every year.

Guess they don't know what "earning it" means

Pursuing free agents within league rules is the same as backing out of a gentleman's agreement? News to me.

Anyway, I don't recall much complaining when we did you a favor by taking the majority of A-Rod's massive salary off your hands.

[Joe Realist]

Correct, they stabbed the Yanks in the back by reneging on a deal. Classy outift those M's.


bbgun, are you a Celtics or Lakers fan?

[trickblue]

Pursuing free agents within league rules is the same as backing out of a gentleman's agreement? News to me.

Anyway, I don't recall much complaining when we did you a favor by taking the majority of A-Rod's massive salary off your hands.

Actually, the Rangers are paying/paid part of his salary to play for NY... you're welcome... ;)

[bbgun]

bbgun, are you a Celtics or Lakers fan?

:rolleyes: cute

My family lived in Irving and Plano TX and Northern NJ in the 1960s, so we're "legit" fans of both teams. Never cared for basketball.

[Alweezy]

Pursuing free agents within league rules is the same as backing out of a gentleman's agreement? News to me.

Anyway, I don't recall much complaining when we did you a favor by taking the majority of A-Rod's massive salary off your hands.

Nah, People were complaining man, we still had to pay him even when he left the team and was wearing pinstripes. The Yankees have done no favors for Texas.


This isn't Seattle swindling the Pittsburgh Pirates in a backdoor deal. This is the New York Yankees. The epitome of getting talent from the backdoor. You will be hard pressed to find many people outside of New York who will have any sympathy that the Yankees didn't get their man for once.

[bbgun]

Actually, the Rangers are paying/paid part of his salary to play for NY... you're welcome... ;)

Yes, "part" of his salary, which is why I noted that the Yanks are paying the "majority."

[Sam I Am]

Pursuing free agents within league rules is the same as backing out of a gentleman's agreement? News to me.

Anyway, I don't recall much complaining when we did you a favor by taking the majority of A-Rod's massive salary off your hands.

First and foremost, the last thing you should be discussing is "gentleman" anything and A-Roid in the same sentence. :rolleyes:

Everyone knows that he is a doping cheater. Not only that, he plays the game with a bush-league mentality (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/sports/baseball/31pins.html?_r=1). Not just once either! (http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2010/04/dallas_braden_unplugged_as_pit.html)

I recall plenty of complaints from Yankee fans after you got him. :muttley:

Especially during the periods when he couldn't take his performance enhancers due to all the heat on him about taking them. You know, when he was hitting sub 300 and could only muster 30HRs a season.

Lets not even discuss some of the non-gentleman things George (and now Hank) did during his time as owner of the Yankees. (yes, I'm well aware that George was good hearted person, but that doesn't excuse some of the stuff he did)

Anyway, it sounds like you've got a plate for of sour grapes. :muttley:

[bbgun]

First and foremost, the last thing you should be discussing is "gentleman" anything and A-Roid in the same sentence. :rolleyes:

Everyone knows that he is a doping cheater. Not only that, he plays the game with a bush-league mentality (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/sports/baseball/31pins.html?_r=1). Not just once either! (http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2010/04/dallas_braden_unplugged_as_pit.html)

I recall plenty of complaints from Yankee fans after you got him. :muttley:

Especially during the periods when he couldn't take his performance enhancers due to all the heat on him about taking them. You know, when he was hitting sub 300 and could only muster 30HRs a season.

Lets not even discuss some of the non-gentleman things George (and now Hank) did during his time as owner of the Yankees. (yes, I'm well aware that George was good hearted person, but that doesn't excuse some of the stuff he did)

Anyway, it sounds like you've got a plate for of sour grapes. :muttley:

Remind me: which ALCS manager is a recovering cokehead? Those in glass houses ...

[trickblue]

Remind me: which ALCS manager is a recovering cokehead? Those in glass houses ...

Recovering? I'm quite sure he was coked up in the 8th inning of Game 1...

[Cythim]

I have no sympathy for the Yankees not getting their man but I do have a problem with rewarding a bankrupt team with money to sign one of the best pitchers in the game.

[Sam I Am]

Remind me: which ALCS manager is a recovering cokehead? Those in glass houses ...

http://www.sallyminker.com/art/2-d/images/grapes-print.jpg

[Heisenberg]

I have no sympathy for the Yankees not getting their man but I do have a problem with rewarding a bankrupt team with money to sign one of the best pitchers in the game.

That's not actually what happened. The Rangers were given a budget by MLB and then kept money available in that budget for a mid-season move, which they made.

[utrunner07]

Remind me: which ALCS manager is a recovering cokehead? Those in glass houses ...


What does that have to do with anything? You think doing crack has helped Washington be a better manager?:confused:

[bbgun]

What does that have to do with anything? You think doing crack has helped Washington be a better manager?:confused:

Nothing. But the same can be said for Steinbrenner's transgressions, which someone brought up gratuitously.

[Sam I Am]

Nothing. But the same can be said for Steinbrenner's transgressions, which someone brought up gratuitously.

What about A-Roids? Can that? I think so.

Besides, you are the one who brought up what you referred to as non-gentleman behavior.

You're just digging a deeper hole bb.

[Sam I Am]

I have no sympathy for the Yankees not getting their man but I do have a problem with rewarding a bankrupt team with money to sign one of the best pitchers in the game.

Umm, the Rangers had the money budgeted to make the moves.

[bbgun]

What about A-Roids? Can that? I think so.

Besides, you are the one who brought up what you referred to as non-gentleman behavior.

You're just digging a deeper hole bb.

He wasn't 'roiding as a Ranger? Hi-larious.

When the Yanks went up 1-0, I didn't rub it in Texas fans' faces. Try to learn from my example.

[Sam I Am]

He wasn't 'roiding as a Ranger? Hi-larious.

When the Yanks went up 1-0, I didn't rub it in Texas fans' faces. Try to learn from my example.

I didn't rub anything in your face.

btw, he has roided all his life. He and Mark Teixeira both were roiding since high school at least.

[utrunner07]

When the Yanks went up 1-0, I didn't rub it in Texas fans' faces. Try to learn from my example.

you've just set the bar too high for the rest of us;)

[Cythim]

I didn't rub anything in your face.

btw, he has roided all his life. He and Mark Teixeira both were roiding since high school at least.

And I'll bet you didn't mind when both were with the Rangers. Funny how it matters now that they are Yankees :lmao:

[Cythim]

That's not actually what happened. The Rangers were given a budget by MLB and then kept money available in that budget for a mid-season move, which they made.

Umm, the Rangers had the money budgeted to make the moves.

Go tell that to the teams who contributed to the fund and are sitting at home because they don't spend money they don't have.

[Sam I Am]

And I'll bet you didn't mind when both were with the Rangers. Funny how it matters now that they are Yankees :lmao:

No. Funny how your are almost always wrong every time you hit Submit Post.. Especially since the only thing you ever do is present assumptions as fact. :rolleyes:

[Cythim]

No. Funny how your are almost always wrong every time you hit Submit Post.. Especially since the only thing you ever do is present assumptions as fact. :rolleyes:

Oh, i forgot no one in Dallas cares about baseball unless the Rangers are in the playoffs :lmao:

[Sam I Am]

Go tell that to the teams who contributed to the fund and are sitting at home because they don't spend money they don't have.You are lame. The only reason the Rangers needed the money was because the sale of the Rangers had not yet been completed. There was no question the sale was going to happen and the new owners had cash on hand. Baseball made a no-lose business decision, something you've made perfectly clear you aren't capable of doing with the views you present.

It appears you've got sour grapes fever too. It seems all you do is come here to argue lame *** points.

I'm tired of reading for drivel in your arguments with everyone else. Meet /ignore

[Cythim]

You are lame. The only reason the Rangers needed the money was because the sale of the Rangers had not yet been completed. There was no question the sale was going to happen and the new owners had cash on hand. Baseball made a no-lose business decision, something you've made perfectly clear you aren't capable of doing with the views you present.

It appears you've got sour grapes fever too. It seems all you do is come here to argue lame *** points.

I'm tired of reading for drivel in your arguments with everyone else. Meet /ignore

Haha, that is cute, you can take your ball and go home :lmao2:

[basstapp]

The thing is the yankees spend money to win... Who wouldn't spend money to win? The owners of the other teams are in it for a business decision not the passion of the sport. Granted the Yankees have a lot of money, but don't let the owners of the other teams fool you into thinking they dont have the money to spend. I read an article that was stating the Marlins/Pirates pocket almost all of the revenue sharing they receive from the higher payrolls. My point is the yankees are criticized for "buying" championships, but if you had the ability to get a player that could change your franchise why not. Not to mention have the salaries that are given out to the yankees are inflated by other teams... Its a bidding war and teams know the yanks will go high so thats why our payroll is that high. In addition to the yankees are loyal to the older stars like Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Pettitie their salaries are inflated to keep them inhouse and to show respect. For instance is Jeter really worth 20 mill a season next year when we sign him to a 3 year 60 million dollar contract? I think not, but he is a yankee Icon

Another interesting fact is alot of the players from the yankees are home grown. They actually have the 2nd highest percentage of homegrown players in MLB at nearly 60%. These are all homegrown players that have played this season that I can think of

Joba Chamberlain
Phil Hughes
Andy Pettitte
Mariano Rivera
David Robertson
Francisco Cervelli
Jorge Posada
Robinson Cano
Derek Jeter
Ramiro Pena
Brett Gardner
Marcus Thames
C. Curtis
K. Russo
E. Nunez
J. Miranda
I. Nova
J. Albaladejo

[silverbear]

lol, a Yankee's fan crying about how other teams financial situation, take a look in the mirror ***

Isn't it PRECIOUS, watching fans of the best team money can buy whining about another team spending money on talent??

I love it... I'm not even a Rangers fan, but this time of the year, I'm a fan of any team that's playing the Yankmees... I give that team absolutely no respect, not when their success is built on a sweetheart cable deal that pays them so much that they don't have to worry about MLB's luxury tax...

The Yankmees are simply playing by different rules than any other ML team, and as a result, parity is nonexistent in the nation's pastime...

[silverbear]

Screw the Yankees.

I applaud ANYTHING that proves detrimental to that organization.

What he said...

[silverbear]

The thing is the yankees spend money to win... Who wouldn't spend money to win? The owners of the other teams are in it for a business decision not the passion of the sport. Granted the Yankees have a lot of money, but don't let the owners of the other teams fool you into thinking they dont have the money to spend. I read an article that was stating the Marlins/Pirates pocket almost all of the revenue sharing they receive from the higher payrolls. My point is the yankees are criticized for "buying" championships, but if you had the ability to get a player that could change your franchise why not. Not to mention have the salaries that are given out to the yankees are inflated by other teams... Its a bidding war and teams know the yanks will go high so thats why our payroll is that high. In addition to the yankees are loyal to the older stars like Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Pettitie their salaries are inflated to keep them inhouse and to show respect. For instance is Jeter really worth 20 mill a season next year when we sign him to a 3 year 60 million dollar contract? I think not, but he is a yankee Icon

Another interesting fact is alot of the players from the yankees are home grown. They actually have the 2nd highest percentage of homegrown players in MLB at nearly 60%. These are all homegrown players that have played this season that I can think of

Joba Chamberlain
Phil Hughes
Andy Pettitte
Mariano Rivera
David Robertson
Francisco Cervelli
Jorge Posada
Robinson Cano
Derek Jeter
Ramiro Pena
Brett Gardner
Marcus Thames
C. Curtis
K. Russo
E. Nunez
J. Miranda
I. Nova
J. Albaladejo

WOW, you've been able to come up with 18 of perhaps 40 players who played for the Yankmees this season who are home-grown!!!

[VirusX]

You mean the yanks couldnt buy this years world series like normal?!?!?! HOLY CRAP!

The reason baseball is fading is because the same teams are always in the the XLCS games....

Whoever can spend the most money on its roster wins 9/10....

When your 3rd baseman and Short Stop get paid more then the opposing team kicking your *** I find it FUNNY!

Baseball needs a salary cap / revenue sharing mix like the NFL to keep things competitive.

[Sam I Am]

You mean the yanks couldnt buy this years world series like normal?!?!?! HOLY CRAP!

The reason baseball is fading is because the same teams are always in the the XLCS games....

Whoever can spend the most money on its roster wins 9/10....

When your 3rd baseman and Short Stop get paid more then the opposing team kicking your *** I find it FUNNY!

Baseball needs a salary cap / revenue sharing mix like the NFL to keep things competitive.

I agree. Baseball is going to collapse right after the NBA does. The NBA screwed up even worse allowing the free agent crap this offseason happen. Now all the sudden, there are going to only be 3-4 good teams every year while all the other teams rot away. Once those teams fold, 60% of all NBA fans are going to fold when them.

Baseball insist on keeping unbalanced power in the league. That means all the cities that aren't in that balance of power have a futile time generating new fans. Slowly that will kill baseball because the Yankees alone cannot sustain 30 baseball teams.

Thats what is great about the NFL. The Cowboys are the Yankees of the NFL, yet they can't win 25% of all championships because the NFL keeps the power balanced.

Baseball plays 2,430 games a year. Football plays 261. Who has more fans come to the games over the course of a year. Baseball due to how many games they play. Who makes more money and has more fans. Football. Which sport has more balance between the teams for the most part? Football.

NBA & MLB will fail due to poor business practices. The NFL is thriving. You won't see the NBA / MLB building $1+ billion dollar stadiums in a full blown recession. The NFL built two! (Cowboys & Giants)

[basstapp]

WOW, you've been able to come up with 18 of perhaps 40 players who played for the Yankmees this season who are home-grown!!!


I bet you can't do that for the rangers... just saying the clueless fans of baseball say the yankees buy everyone. They have signed A-rod, Tex, CC, AJ. Those have been the biggest aquicisitons since 2004. They are the most hated team in baseball because they win championships.... Not because they buy players thats just a lame excuse

[Sam I Am]

I bet you can't do that for the rangers... just saying the clueless fans of baseball say the yankees buy everyone. They have signed A-rod, Tex, CC, AJ. Those have been the biggest aquicisitons since 2004. They are the most hated team in baseball because they win championships.... Not because they buy players thats just a lame excuse

Not sure how many I can list that entered the Majors from the Texas minor leagues, but here goes.

These players are on today's roster. All of them came out of the Texas Rangers minor leagues:

Neftali Feliz
Derek Holland
Tommy Hunter
Michael Kirkman
Colby Lewis
Alexi Ogando
Darren Oliver
C.J. Wilson
Elvis Andrus
Ian Kinsler
Michael Young
Julio Borbon
Nelson Cruz
Mitch Moreland

Many many more played for Texas this year, they just aren't currently on the roster.

So, YES you can do it. You can name MORE home grown Texas Rangers than you can Yankees on the active roster. (active is what counts, as the other may never make it in the bigs with the Yankees or Rangers)

You could add David Murphy to that list too, but he actually had his first major league game with Boston, but he also spent time in the Texas minors before becoming a Texas Ranger.

[BlueBandit]

Sour grapes?

Dumb post

Yankee fans, didn't want Lee in mid season, we are well aware of the Payroll Tag etc, we realize that Lee to the NYY basically ends the BB season.

Now, if Andy retires and a few others go, and Lee wants NY, like he's told everyone ; including his best friend Teixeira, then great, welcome to the Big Apple.

Champions don't whine , we know winning, we know about the economics of BB, we respect our opponents.

Nonsense article.

[ZeroClub]

I used to follow MLB many years ago. But over time I simply lost interest.

Free agency + payroll inequities = an uneven playing field.

The professional game became inherently unsporting. That took the fun out of it for me.

I know a lot of people don't care whether a sport is fair. More power to you.

[BlueBandit]

And people who argue that the Yanks ruin BB have NO IDEA about the economics.

The YANKEES SAVED - SAVE BB TEAMS EVERY YEAR -SAY IT WITH ME.

The Luxury Tax payouts help support slob owners who refuse to put their own Coin into the team like George and JJ(NFL) did - who only want to use the profit generated for team spending. There are PLENTY - PLENTY of owners with more wealth than George had over the years , George took his OWN money and put it back into the club - he poured his heart into winning.

Milwaukee - Pitt - KC - Minny etc others have been guilty of taking TAX sharing money and doing everything with it but SPEND IT ON PLAYERS.

As George Steinmbrenner said, they want my money but do they want my overhead costs? and expenses? Do you know what a LOCAL 3 Union Electrician makes? - now try 200 -400 of them at the stadium daily.

Until there is a CAP we play by the rules.

And when you can match - MO, Jeter -Posada- Andy- Bernie Williams as a homegrown core for over a decade Lemme know....

[BlueBandit]

I used to follow MLB many years ago. But over time I simply lost interest.

Free agency + payroll inequities = an uneven playing field.

The professional game became inherently unsporting. That took the fun out of it for me.

I know a lot of people don't care whether a sport is fair. More power to you.

Yeah the parity laden no trade zone NFL is riveting :rolleyes:

[casmith07]

The best thing to happen to the Yankees might have been Teixeira sitting down.

[bbgun]

The best thing to happen to the Yankees might have been Teixeira sitting down.

No way. His glovework alone makes him invaluable, as it did last post-season when he didn't hit a lick.

[silverbear]

Baseball needs a salary cap / revenue sharing mix like the NFL to keep things competitive.

If that happened, the Yankmees would get real ordinary, real quick...

[silverbear]

I bet you can't do that for the rangers...

You're right, I can't, but only because I know very little about that team... I'm just rootin' for them now to stick it to the Yankmees...

Truth is, I've been an Orioles fan since 1965, and I CAN tell you that the majority of their team is home-grown... and many of the players that aren't were acquired via trade of home-grown players... the O's can't get many players to look at them in free agency these days, because they're a small-market team...

just saying the clueless fans of baseball say the yankees buy everyone. They have signed A-rod, Tex, CC, AJ. Those have been the biggest aquicisitons since 2004.

ROTFLMAO... who are you trying to fool with that crapola?? They've "just" signed A-rod, Texeira, CC and AJ?? And they don't buy players??

My rebuttal will be simple, a quote from the NY Times at the time of the Texeira signing:

The signing, which was confirmed by a person in baseball with knowledge of the matter, will not be official until Teixeira (pronounced tuh-SHARE-uh) has a physical. Once it becomes official, the Yankees will have the four players — Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter and the newly signed C. C. Sabathia — with the largest contracts in the sport, at an overall cost of slightly more than $800 million.

Meanwhile, the list of premiere players the Yankmees are reported to be looking into this offseason include:

Cliff Lee (rumors have it they're preparing a 200 million dollar offer for him)
Joe Mauer (only the best catcher in the game)
Albert Pujols (via trade in 2011, or free agency in 2012)
Jayson Werth
Carl Crawford
Prince Fielder
Adrian Gonzalez

That represents the cream of this offseason's free agent crop...


That, my homeristic friend, is the very definition of "buying players"... and of course, it's not a new phenomenon, I vividly remember when they stole Mike Mussina from the Orioles (when the O's were still competitive) by throwing a boatload of cash at him...

Really, your team has the highest payroll in baseball year in and year out, and most offseason they are bidders for the top free agents, and you're trying to convince us that they don't buy players, more than any other team in MLB??

Yeah, riiiiiiiggghhhttt... the New York Yankmees have for years been the best team money can buy... and that's why they "win championships", they buy the best players available...

[silverbear]

Until there is a CAP we play by the rules.

Yeah, but the fact you're conveniently ignoring is that the rules are stacked in your favor... because of that sweetheart cable deal the Yankmees have, they have more money to spend than any other team, enough money so that they can say "screw the luxury tax, we'll pay it and still make an enormous profit"...

If MLB had a hard cap like the NFL has, the Yankmees would be just another team...

[basstapp]

You're right, I can't, but only because I know very little about that team... I'm just rootin' for them now to stick it to the Yankmees...

Truth is, I've been an Orioles fan since 1965, and I CAN tell you that the majority of their team is home-grown... and many of the players that aren't were acquired via trade of home-grown players... the O's can't get many players to look at them in free agency these days, because they're a small-market team...



ROTFLMAO... who are you trying to fool with that crapola?? They've "just" signed A-rod, Texeira, CC and AJ?? And they don't buy players??

My rebuttal will be simple, a quote from the NY Times at the time of the Texeira signing:



Meanwhile, the list of premiere players the Yankmees are reported to be looking into this offseason include:

Cliff Lee (rumors have it they're preparing a 200 million dollar offer for him)
Joe Mauer (only the best catcher in the game)
Albert Pujols (via trade in 2011, or free agency in 2012)
Jayson Werth
Carl Crawford
Prince Fielder
Adrian Gonzalez

That represents the cream of this offseason's free agent crop...


That, my homeristic friend, is the very definition of "buying players"... and of course, it's not a new phenomenon, I vividly remember when they stole Mike Mussina from the Orioles (when the O's were still competitive) by throwing a boatload of cash at him...

Really, your team has the highest payroll in baseball year in and year out, and most offseason they are bidders for the top free agents, and you're trying to convince us that they don't buy players, more than any other team in MLB??

Yeah, riiiiiiiggghhhttt... the New York Yankmees have for years been the best team money can buy... and that's why they "win championships", they buy the best players available...



Here is what bugs me... The BS is spewing out of your mouth its not even funny. The yankees are not going to get those FA

Joe Mauer- Doesn't make sense we have the ***** Montero one of the best prospect in baseball in the minor leagues. Not to mention we have Romine who is already ready to step up

Albert Pujos- Doesn't make sense because we have Mark Tex

Cliff Lee- The Rangers are going to lock him up. No questions asked.

Jason Weryth/Carl Crawford- Why trade for those when Brett Gardner is Carl Crawford, but cheaper and Nick Swisher is servicable in RF and CF is locked down with Granderson.

Adrian Gonzales - That has never been a rumor. You are just talking about ever FA you can think of and putting them down.

So in 6 years the yankees have signed the Captian 2 prominant FA pitchers and one of the best 1st basemans in the game. That makes them buying players so be it, everyone else has the same shot as the yankees do they have the same cash flow and they actually receive money from the yankees through revenue sharing.

The Baltimore has the 4th lowest homegrown talent in baseball where the yankees have the 2nd highest. Its funny that you bring up that the Orioles trade homegrown talent for players.... So does every team in baseball. The yankees have a dominant farm system and in the last couple of years we have traded....

Austin Jackson+Phil Coke-Curtis Granderson.
Miguel Cairo-Nick Swisher
Melky Caberra-Javy Vaz
2 PTBNL- Kerry Wood


The only one that didn't really work out for us the Javy Trade. I am not sure why you hate the yankees for trying to win. Baltimore's owner has the same ability to throw money at players as the yankees, but he doesn't. I know your upset that TEX can to the YANKEES, but its time to get over it. Your team will never win in the division because we are all stacked. Its a sad story that your owner can develop talent at the minor league level and is not willing to cut into his own profits to go after some FA.

[Kangaroo]

Pretty sure that's one man's opinion, not the Yankees'. Seattle screwed up by trading Lee to a division rival, which almost never happens in baseball (esp the AL East).

it is Philly's fault for not keeping him and teaming him with Halladay that would be a 1-2 punch that could easily win a world series

[Sam I Am]

basstapp,

You should stop now, you are starting to look extremely foolish.

The Yankees DO buy players left and right. Why in hell do you think their payroll is well over $200M? :rolleyes:

Brett Gardner isn't even close to the same player Carl Crawford is. Crawford is a 4x AL stolen base champion, his career BA is about 30 points higher, and his OPS is over 60 points higher. Fielding they are about the same.

I do agree that the Yankees have no real need for Crawford though with Granderson in center though Crawford is a better player. While some people don't believe it to be true, the Yankees have a spending cap too.

The Yankees do have Montero, but of course Mauer always makes sense. He is one of the best players in baseball. I just don't think the Yankees can afford Mauer if they are going after Cliff. Especially with CC, Tex, Jeter, AJ, and A-Roid eating so much money already.

As for Cliff Lee, he might stay in Texas if Texas wins a World Series. Maybe even if they get passed the Yankees, though I doubt the latter. I'm sure the Yankees are going to throw the bank at Cliff if only to stop him from beating them like redheaded step children in the playoffs. The only way I see him even possibly staying in Texas is if they win a World Series.

[Sam I Am]

it is Philly's fault for not keeping him and teaming him with Halladay that would be a 1-2 punch that could easily win a world series

Why exactly did Philly trade Lee anyhow? That was dumb.

[Chocolate Lab]

Recovering? I'm quite sure he was coked up in the 8th inning of Game 1...

:lmao2:

And like Galloway always says, the New York media is supposed to be so tough. And it may be when the teams are losing. But they also cheerlead the local teams like a high school girl... Just like this article.

[Stautner]

Pretty sure that's one man's opinion, not the Yankees'. Seattle screwed up by trading Lee to a division rival, which almost never happens in baseball (esp the AL East).

How did Seattle screw up? Lee was under a one year contract and would almost certainly have left Seattle after the season, Seattle didn't have a chance to win anything with Lee this year so it didn't really matter if Lee helped the Rangers, there is a very good chance Lee will not be with the Rangers next year, and they got some nice young prospects to boot, including Justin Smoak, who they coveted.

[Sam I Am]

How did Seattle screw up? Lee was under a one year contract and would almost certainly have left Seattle after the season, Seattle didn't have a chance to win anything with Lee this year so it didn't really matter if Lee helped the Rangers, there is a very good chance Lee will not be with the Rangers next year, and they got some nice young prospects to boot, including Justin Smoak, who they coveted.

I'm betting that Seattle was betting that Lee wouldn't be a Ranger after this year. It was almost a done deal that Lee was going to the Yankees. If he remains with the Rangers, THEN you can say Seattle didn't make a great trade.

...unless Smoak and everything else they got pans out for Seattle the same way the Teixeira trade did for us. (specifically Elvus and Feliz) In that case, it is still a great trade even with Texas getting and keeping Lee. (The Mariners weren't going to be able to keep him)

[Stautner]

I'm betting that Seattle was betting that Lee wouldn't be a Ranger after this year. It was almost a done deal that Lee was going to the Yankees. If he remains with the Rangers, THEN you can say Seattle didn't make a great trade.

...unless Smoak and everything else they got pans out for Seattle the same way the Teixeira trade did for us. (specifically Elvus and Feliz) In that case, it is still a great trade even with Texas getting and keeping Lee. (The Mariners weren't going to be able to keep him)

I would bet you are right that Seattle expects Lee to change teams again this offseason, but even though they had to realize there was a chance he would stay in Texas, I imagine they felt that they had to gamble in order to get the best package of young players they could.

[basstapp]

basstapp,

You should stop now, you are starting to look extremely foolish.

The Yankees DO buy players left and right. Why in hell do you think their payroll is well over $200M? :rolleyes:

Brett Gardner isn't even close to the same player Carl Crawford is. Crawford is a 4x AL stolen base champion, his career BA is about 30 points higher, and his OPS is over 60 points higher. Fielding they are about the same.

I do agree that the Yankees have no real need for Crawford though with Granderson in center though Crawford is a better player. While some people don't believe it to be true, the Yankees have a spending cap too.

The Yankees do have Montero, but of course Mauer always makes sense. He is one of the best players in baseball. I just don't think the Yankees can afford Mauer if they are going after Cliff. Especially with CC, Tex, Jeter, AJ, and A-Roid eating so much money already.

As for Cliff Lee, he might stay in Texas if Texas wins a World Series. Maybe even if they get passed the Yankees, though I doubt the latter. I'm sure the Yankees are going to throw the bank at Cliff if only to stop him from beating them like redheaded step children in the playoffs. The only way I see him even possibly staying in Texas is if they win a World Series.

I mean really buying championships is the most over used phrase ever. Sure they throw cash out at FA, but that is baseball so im am not looking foolish. The fools are the ones that make excuses for owners who dont care to win.

[BlueBandit]

Yeah, but the fact you're conveniently ignoring is that the rules are stacked in your favor... because of that sweetheart cable deal the Yankmees have, they have more money to spend than any other team, enough money so that they can say "screw the luxury tax, we'll pay it and still make an enormous profit"...

If MLB had a hard cap like the NFL has, the Yankmees would be just another team...

WRONG

The Yankees don't have a cable contract -THEY OWN THEIR OWN NETWORK...

Yet another example of George putting the MADE money back into the team - he copied what Man United did back in the late 90's with Man United TV and took it to the next level and gave the greatest fans and franchise in the world Yankees 24-7 - 365 a year.

[silverbear]

Here is what bugs me... The BS is spewing out of your mouth its not even funny.

Truth hurts, does it??

Baltimore's owner has the same ability to throw money at players as the yankees, but he doesn't.

No, he doesn't... the only team in MLB that can come close to the Yankmees spending power is the Red Sox, and for pretty much the same reason-- a sweetheart cable deal...

Enjoy your winter... :D

[BlueBandit]

Truth hurts, does it??



No, he doesn't... the only team in MLB that can come close to the Yankmees spending power is the Red Sox, and for pretty much the same reason-- a sweetheart cable deal...

Enjoy your winter... :D

Yes Angelos can but chooses not to.

[Sam I Am]

I mean really buying championships is the most over used phrase ever. Sure they throw cash out at FA, but that is baseball so im am not looking foolish. The fools are the ones that make excuses for owners who dont care to win.

Apparently the $209M dollars the Yankees spent to win a World Series this year alone wasn't quite enough care on their part. :rolleyes:

[silverbear]

WRONG

The Yankees don't have a cable contract -THEY OWN THEIR OWN NETWORK...

Quite right... I stand corrected...

However, I am correct that cable money is what gives the Yankmees their huge financial advantage, which in turn gives them a huge talent advantage on the field...

They're simply not playing on a level playing field, and as a result, will never get my respect...

Well, they'll never get my respect because their fans (not intending this personally here) are the rudest, most vulgar collection of anal orifices ever known to man... the only time I have ever come CLOSE to getting in a fight at a ballpark was one September Sunday afternoon in old Memorial Stadium in the final season for that stadium, a game I attended with my family (including a then-ten year old niece and an elderly aunt)... two rows behind us were two of the most foul-mouthed individuals I have ever seen, both of them wearing Yankmees gear...

Now, I can cuss, and do on appropriate occasions, but these jagoffs' vocabulary seemed to be made up of the F-bomb, and very little else... along about the 4th inning, I'd had enough, and told them to knock it off, pointed out the children and ladies in earshot, and told them that they had no right to act that way in a public place... they got mouthy back at me, and I was headed up to continue the debate face to face when security showed up to escort them out...

Just another reason to loathe the Yankmees...

[Royal Laegotti]

Quite right... I stand corrected...

However, I am correct that cable money is what gives the Yankmees their huge financial advantage, which in turn gives them a huge talent advantage on the field...

They're simply not playing on a level playing field, and as a result, will never get my respect...

Well, they'll never get my respect because their fans (not intending this personally here) are the rudest, most vulgar collection of anal orifices ever known to man... the only time I have ever come CLOSE to getting in a fight at a ballpark was one September Sunday afternoon in old Memorial Stadium in the final season for that stadium, a game I attended with my family (including a then-ten year old niece and an elderly aunt)... two rows behind us were two of the most foul-mouthed individuals I have ever seen, both of them wearing Yankmees gear...

Now, I can cuss, and do on appropriate occasions, but these jagoffs' vocabulary seemed to be made up of the F-bomb, and very little else... along about the 4th inning, I'd had enough, and told them to knock it off, pointed out the children and ladies in earshot, and told them that they had no right to act that way in a public place... they got mouthy back at me, and I was headed up to continue the debate face to face when security showed up to escort them out...

Just another reason to loathe the Yankmees...
I didn't think any fans were worse than Philly, but never been farther northeast than Arkansas so I don't have any first hand experience.

[BlueBandit]

Quite right... I stand corrected...

However, I am correct that cable money is what gives the Yankmees their huge financial advantage, which in turn gives them a huge talent advantage on the field...

They're simply not playing on a level playing field, and as a result, will never get my respect...

Well, they'll never get my respect because their fans (not intending this personally here) are the rudest, most vulgar collection of anal orifices ever known to man... the only time I have ever come CLOSE to getting in a fight at a ballpark was one September Sunday afternoon in old Memorial Stadium in the final season for that stadium, a game I attended with my family (including a then-ten year old niece and an elderly aunt)... two rows behind us were two of the most foul-mouthed individuals I have ever seen, both of them wearing Yankmees gear...

Now, I can cuss, and do on appropriate occasions, but these jagoffs' vocabulary seemed to be made up of the F-bomb, and very little else... along about the 4th inning, I'd had enough, and told them to knock it off, pointed out the children and ladies in earshot, and told them that they had no right to act that way in a public place... they got mouthy back at me, and I was headed up to continue the debate face to face when security showed up to escort them out...

Just another reason to loathe the Yankmees...

No offense they don't need or care about your respect, they only care about putting a winner on the field for their fans and they SPEND MASSIVE BUCKS TO DO IT AND they keep teams afloat.

The Yankees are the biggest brand in the world -some things just are the way they are, the Yankees spend money they don't pocket all of it, they built a Gorgeous Park for NYC to see them play in and they bring in players people wanna see.

I do very much respect the job Nolan has done though and the GM - great pickup in Vlad and great grab in Lee.

[BlueBandit]

And sorry but a handful of foulmouthed slobs don't represent Yankee Nation. You can wear your Ranger shirts in NY and be fine.

There ARE NO WORSE FANS THAN PHILLY.

Sorry , NYY fans may be spoiled a tad arrogant but we are cool as hell and we know the game and we respect talent when we see it.

Do NOT ever compare us to Philly fans.

[juck]

And sorry but a handful of foulmouthed slobs don't represent Yankee Nation. You can wear your Ranger shirts in NY and be fine.

There ARE NO WORSE FANS THAN PHILLY.

Sorry , NYY fans may be spoiled a tad arrogant but we are cool as hell and we know the game and we respect talent when we see it.

Do NOT ever compare us to Philly fans.
Yankees are done,just reminding ya. :laugh1:

[trickblue]

No offense they don't need or care about your respect, they only care about putting a winner on the field for their fans and they SPEND MASSIVE BUCKS TO DO IT AND they keep teams afloat.

The Yankees are the biggest brand in the world -some things just are the way they are, the Yankees spend money they don't pocket all of it, they built a Gorgeous Park for NYC to see them play in and they bring in players people wanna see.

I do very much respect the job Nolan has done though and the GM - great pickup in Vlad and great grab in Lee.

Actually the Cowboys are the biggest brand in the world... just sayin'...

[Royal Laegotti]

Actually the Cowboys are the biggest brand in the world... just sayin'...

Yep, only wish they won as much as the Yanks though. I'd trade a few hundred million of Jerry's money for that would you?

[juck]

Yep, only wish they won as much as the Yanks though. I'd trade a few hundred million of Jerry's money for that would you?
U know what tho dude this night is so sweet for a long time rangers and dallas sports as a whole. Sometimes the longer u wait the better it is,u appreciate it.

[Royal Laegotti]

U know what tho dude this night is so sweet for a long time rangers and dallas sports as a whole. Sometimes the longer u wait the better it is,u appreciate it.

Totally agree. I do hope the Rangers finish the job though then it will really be sweet, far better than tonight. But for sure right now is a good night.

[Sam I Am]

U know what tho dude this night is so sweet for a long time rangers and dallas sports as a whole. Sometimes the longer u wait the better it is,u appreciate it.

Just ask my wife. No Yankee fan can comprehend what I'm feeling right now. Even a Cowboy fan unless he has also been a long time Rangers fan can comprehend what I'm feeling right now...

[CliffnMesquite]

"The integrity — what’s left of it — of America’s favorite pastime depends on it."

Womans Pro Beach Vollyball?

:confused: