UFC 121: Lesnar vs Velasquez [Archive] - Dallas Cowboys Forum

BigWillie

10-22-2010, 02:01 AM

This Saturday night, in case you didn't know. One of the better cards in quite a while, IMO.

Predictions?

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MAIN CARD

* Champ Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez (for heavyweight title)
* Martin Kampmann vs. Jake Shields
* Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
* Matt Hamill vs. Tito Ortiz
* Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Brendan Schaub

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)

* Ryan Jensen vs. Court McGee
* Patrick Cote vs. Tom Lawlor

PRELIMINARY CARD (un-aired)

* Sam Stout vs. Paul Taylor
* Mike Guymon vs. Daniel Roberts
* Chris Camozzi vs. Dongi Yang
* Jon Madsen vs. Gilbert Yvel

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My predictions ..

Lesnar, TKO, 3rd
Shields, UD
Sanchez, UD
Hamill, UD
Schaub, TKO, 1st

Some great fighters on this card, but not all of them are guys who are 'finishers'.

Really believe Cain will push Brock, and even test his chin in this fight. Also believe Cain's wrestling and training with Daniel Cormier will allow him to keep this fight off the mat for a bit, but Brock will eventually get him down. Once Brock does get him down, his size, strength and top control will completely overmatch Cain.

big dog cowboy

10-22-2010, 08:09 AM

Lesnar will destroy Velasquez leading cowboyjoe to wonder if we should sign him.

Dallas

10-22-2010, 11:40 AM

Lesnar is going to hurt Velasquez. Velasques hasn't fought anyone the likes of Lesnar. I would like to see Vela win but I just dont see him overcoming Lesnar's bigger/faster/stronger.

Lesnar is just rediculously fast w/ his size and strength. He's going to get Vela to the ground and pound him into next year.

Lesnar w/ a TKO of Vela in the 3rd sounds about right.

VirusX

10-22-2010, 11:52 AM

I dont think Cain will last past the 2nd, I see lesnar coming out with some Dirty Boxing in this.....

Yeagermeister

10-22-2010, 12:21 PM

Lesnar will destroy Velasquez leading cowboyjoe to wonder if we should sign him.

:laugh1:

BraveHeartFan

10-22-2010, 12:34 PM

Great card. Wish I was going to see it. I'll have to try and get a live stream on line for this one.

I think Lesnar will win this fight and I think in pretty convincing fashion.

Ren

10-22-2010, 01:49 PM

Great card. Wish I was going to see it. I'll have to try and get a live stream on line for this one.

I think Lesnar will win this fight and I think in pretty convincing fashion.

The MMA TV stream on myp2p.eu is pretty much always up and very reliable so as long as you have sopcast you're not going to miss it

Hopefully the Rangers finish off the Yankees tonight so i don't have to make a choice on what to watch tomorrow

BigWillie

10-22-2010, 02:47 PM

Lesnar is going to hurt Velasquez. Velasques hasn't fought anyone the likes of Lesnar. I would like to see Vela win but I just dont see him overcoming Lesnar's bigger/faster/stronger.

Bigger and stronger, yes. Faster, no.

Cain has ridiculously fast hands for a HW. If Brock had the hand speed to put together the type of combos Cain did against Nog, I would be convinced that Lesnar is some mad scientists crazy project.

Brock has great speed compared to other guys that big, but not speed compared to guys like Cain, JDS, Kongo, Barry and some others in the division.

BrAinPaiNt

10-22-2010, 02:56 PM

Lesnar in the first or second.

I think the only person that poses him real danger was the guy who almost knocked him out but gassed himself out....Carwin.

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 02:48 PM

Saw Lesnar on Sportscenter last night.

Dude looks much more bad *** with the mountain man beard.

Also, they were showing some footage of him training and he looks a lot more cut. Looks to be in great shape.

Should be a good fight.

CATCH17

10-23-2010, 03:22 PM

Sucks Rampage is a goner and not here to discuss.

Anywho...

I hope Lesnar runs through Cain tonight and I think he will. What a fight card.

Kampmann vs Shields is going to be epic too.

BlueBandit

10-23-2010, 04:10 PM

Ren

10-23-2010, 04:32 PM

Sucks Rampage is a goner and not here to discuss.

Anywho...

I hope Lesnar runs through Cain tonight and I think he will. What a fight card.

Kampmann vs Shields is going to be epic too.

What happened to him, what did i miss?

Cover 2

10-23-2010, 05:03 PM

What is your take on this sport? is it a sport? is it too barbaric? some of thsse matches with 3 rounds of rolling around are quite boring , some are quick shot KO's and submissions.

I'll be watching tonite my buddy is getting it but I'm not sure I love this stuff.

You?
When you understand the ground aspect of MMA, it's not boring when they're just rolling around. Unless it's Jon Fitch then it still is boring.

CATCH17

10-23-2010, 05:59 PM

What happened to him, what did i miss?

Not sure. Just heard he got perma banned.

VirusX

10-23-2010, 06:43 PM

Lesnar in the first or second.

I think the only person that poses him real danger was the guy who almost knocked him out but gassed himself out....Carwin.

Doubt after the Steroid ring thing Carwin will fight anymore...

BraveHeartFan

10-23-2010, 07:32 PM

Not sure. Just heard he got perma banned.

Wait...seriously? I thought this was a temporary thing. They actually banned him for good?

Man that sucks.

BigWillie

10-23-2010, 08:01 PM

some of thsse matches with 3 rounds of rolling around are quite boring , some are quick shot KO's and submissions.

At one time, I thought the same as you.

My first trip into the world of BJJ was only by accident. Went to a class with a friend who was pestering me to check it out and try it. Was watching him roll with the instructor, and saw him get tapped while under side mount by something I didn't even realize was happening. He came off a bit exhausted and I had to tease him a bit, until he asked the instructor to put a Gi on me and do the same to me.

About 30 seconds later, I got my first introduction to what a Lapel Choke was. :laugh1:

Like anything, if you just watch it and don't understand what is really going on, then it's tough to appreciate.

If you've ever had your girlfriend or any woman around who doesn't watch or understand football, you know what I mean. "Why does that little guy always run into the pile? Are they not smart enough to run around the pile to get away from everyone?" :shoot6:

Hostile

10-23-2010, 09:13 PM

Is there a link to a stream?

I like Velasquez, but have been saying that if Lesnar is on no one can beat him.

Hostile

10-23-2010, 09:36 PM

Wow. Is anyone even watching?

Danny White

10-23-2010, 09:37 PM

I just pulled it up on channelsurfing.net

Hostile

10-23-2010, 09:40 PM

I just pulled it up on channelsurfing.netI can't find it so far.

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 09:51 PM

I can't find it so far.

Sent ya a link.

Hostile

10-23-2010, 09:54 PM

Sent ya a link.I downloaded it 3 times. Audio, no video.

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 09:58 PM

I downloaded it 3 times. Audio, no video.

You restart the browser?

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 10:27 PM

Dang, down to 1 stream.

Pretty good fight on right now though.

Dallas

10-23-2010, 10:31 PM

Dang, down to 1 stream.

Pretty good fight on right now though.

I don't want to order this fight right now. Call the Vela/Lesnar fight if you could, that'd be cool.

Round by round until the TKO ? :D

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 10:33 PM

Wow.

That guy's got a motor that does not quit.

Hell, it only has one speed. Top speed and it doesn't slow down.

Hostile

10-23-2010, 10:33 PM

Wow. I like Diego Sanchez.

What a fight.

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 10:34 PM

I don't want to order this fight right now. Call the Vela/Lesnar fight if you could, that'd be cool.

Round by round until the TKO ? :D

Yeah right. I now nothing about this sport.

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 10:55 PM

I can respect the skill involved in the ground game but seeing a guy who's only objective is to lay on top of another guy just doesn't entertain at all.

Hostile

10-23-2010, 11:06 PM

That fight and the one before it couldn't have been more different in excitement level.

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 11:07 PM

That fight and the one before it couldn't have been more different in excitement level.

Yeah, that one was a stinker.

Hopefully the Lesnar fight entertains one way or the other.

Dallas

10-23-2010, 11:12 PM

Someone pm me a video site or an audio site? Im not picky...

Please, w/ sugar? :(

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 11:16 PM

Lesnar's 20 pound advantage looks like 80.

kmp77

10-23-2010, 11:16 PM

Come on Brock!!

Danny White

10-23-2010, 11:18 PM

Someone pm me a video site or an audio site? Im not picky...

Please, w/ sugar? :(

http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-ufc-121-2.html

kmp77

10-23-2010, 11:23 PM

Lesnar in trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!! uh oh

Dallas

10-23-2010, 11:24 PM

WOW!!

***SPOILER ALERT****

Lesnar gets TKO'd. WooooW!!!!!

Who would have thought Velasquez could have done that. :laugh2:

Right on. He destroyed Brock

kmp77

10-23-2010, 11:24 PM

Lesnar loses...that was......sad................

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 11:25 PM

I really didn't think the guy could do it.

He put a serious whipping on Lesnar.

BIG TIME!

Ren

10-23-2010, 11:25 PM

Brock exposed for his lack of technique

Hostile

10-23-2010, 11:26 PM

Cain killed him.

Dallas

10-23-2010, 11:26 PM

Lesnar loses...that was......sad................

It wasn't sad. Velasquez wasn't intimidated and was smart.

Brock just wasn't ready for Velasquez endurance and striking power and how he could straight man up on him and be just fine. Very WELL DONE.

WTG !!!

Brocks face looked like a catchers mit.

BigWillie

10-23-2010, 11:27 PM

When this fight was first made, I told people not to doubt Cain's wrestling or his striking. Quite a few people blasted me for thinking it, and now this.

But what makes this bad is over the months I talked myself out of my belief in Cain, and ended up picking against him. Dangit.

In any case, just, wow .. he absolutely mauled Brock. Absolutely. Mauled.

Jimz31

10-23-2010, 11:27 PM

Brock's face=hamburger.

Danny White

10-23-2010, 11:27 PM

Wow, that was a total arse-kicking.

Jimz31

10-23-2010, 11:28 PM

How long till the "excuses" come?

Dallas

10-23-2010, 11:30 PM

How long till the "excuses" come?

I doubt Brock will give any excuses. It's been coming for a while. He doesn't have the technique plain and simple. His cardio is terrible also.

He just thought he could maul Cain and Cain was ready for it and DESTROYED him.

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 11:32 PM

When Cain took the best Brock had, you could kind of tell that Brock didn't really know what to do. And then he quit trying to fight his game and Cain took over.

Hoofbite

10-23-2010, 11:32 PM

I could get a good look at the blood until the replays because of the feed but that literally looked like a WWE match. That was a TON of blood.

Hostile

10-23-2010, 11:33 PM

My goodness Brock's face was cheese gratered.

Cain has impressed me form the word go. The title comes to AZ.

Jimz31

10-23-2010, 11:33 PM

I doubt Brock will give any excuses. It's been coming for a while. He doesn't have the technique plain and simple. His cardio is terrible also.

He just thought he could maul Cain and Cain was ready for it and DESTROYED him.

He had nothing but excuses after the first Mir fight....getting caught IS part of MMA. It happens to EVERY fighter. A heel lock is what caught him against Mir the first time, but he did nothing but make excuses afterwards.

Jimz31

10-23-2010, 11:33 PM

Wow...He VERBALLY submitted. Pussed out!

TheCount

10-23-2010, 11:34 PM

Long Live Cain!

TheCount

10-23-2010, 11:36 PM

My goodness Brock's face was cheese gratered.

Cain has impressed me form the word go. The title comes to AZ.

Maybe after it tours Mexico and Cali. ;)

Dallas

10-23-2010, 11:38 PM

He had nothing but excuses after the first Mir fight....getting caught IS part of MMA. It happens to EVERY fighter. A heel lock is what caught him against Mir the first time, but he did nothing but make excuses afterwards.

I dunno. I just saw how humble he just looked and spoke after this fight. I didn't hear any excuse making.

TheCount

10-23-2010, 11:39 PM

I dunno. I just saw how humble he just looked and spoke after this fight. I didn't hear any excuse making.

What're you gonna say in the ring after getting your butt kicked like that?

Lesnar's spirit hit the pits as soon as Cain stuffed that first take down attempt.

Jimz31

10-23-2010, 11:40 PM

I dunno. I just saw how humble he just looked and spoke after this fight. I didn't hear any excuse making.

Of course not yet....it'll come. Ne NEEDS to do that for a re-match.

The guy had a championship fight after what? Like 4 fights? Ridiculous that it came that early.

He should STILL be working his way up.

Dallas

10-23-2010, 11:45 PM

Of course not yet....it'll come. Ne NEEDS to do that for a re-match.

The guy had a championship fight after what? Like 4 fights? Ridiculous that it came that early.

He should STILL be working his way up.

I agree. Im no Lesnar fan, don't get me wrong. He is just a mauler. I have never seen much skill in him besides being a mauler. Guy has enormous power but thats really it. I don't think he's a good striker and I don't think his wrestling is really all that. Cain is just as good at wrestling as Brock is and has way better MMA skills than Brock.

I am also no fan of Dana White. I think he pushes "HIS" boys way to fast and just boosts who he feels will be a big money draw, weather they are ready or not.

I just want to see GSP and Silva fight. :( That's all that I care for today.

braw

10-23-2010, 11:46 PM

All the Cain's going to get killed predictions......the size of the man does not matter only his will to win does.

Ren

10-23-2010, 11:47 PM

BigWillie

10-23-2010, 11:50 PM

I just want to see GSP and Silva fight. :( That's all that I care for today.

Do you enjoy watching a Canadian dry-humping a Brazilian?

Dallas

10-23-2010, 11:50 PM

All the Cain's going to get killed predictions......the size of the man does not matter only his will to win does.

I just don't see Cain being the top dog for very long.

1 or 2 defenses and I think there will be a new champion by then.

Dallas

10-23-2010, 11:52 PM

Do you enjoy watching a Canadian dry-humping a Brazilian?

I personally think they are both the most exciting guys in the sport.

Im not much into the heavys. They are kinda boring to watch for the most part. I actually enjoy the ground game a lot more than just standing and striking and leaning on each other.

Jimz31

10-23-2010, 11:53 PM

I agree. Im no Lesnar fan, don't get me wrong. He is just a mauler. I have never seen much skill in him besides being a mauler. Guy has enormous power but thats really it. I don't think he's a good striker and I don't think his wrestling is really all that. Cain is just as good at wrestling as Brock is and has way better MMA skills than Brock.

I am also no fan of Dana White. I think he pushes "HIS" boys way to fast and just boosts who he feels will be a big money draw, weather they are ready or not.

I just want to see GSP and Silva fight. :( That's all that I care for today.

GSP is absolutely amazing!

The fight that sticks out to me is the fight against Koscheck.....Koscheck was talking so much trash about wrestling being "his" game and how GSP couldn't take him down...what did GSP do? Took him down...beat on him for a bit, let him up and then took him down again. Did that over and over. GSP doesn't talk trash before the fight and lets his actions do the talking for him.

He pretty much does that to everyone that he fights....he takes their strength and beats them at their own strength.

GSP is just amazing to watch....period!

braw

10-23-2010, 11:54 PM

I just don't see Cain being the top dog for very long.

1 or 2 defenses and I think there will be a new champion by then.

Wow.... bold prediction just like the one before the fight. What heavyweight is there in the ufc. Now if fedor came to the ufc that would be a fight.

Jimz31

10-23-2010, 11:55 PM

I personally think they are both the most exciting guys in the sport.

Im not much into the heavys. They are kinda boring to watch for the most part. I actually enjoy the ground game a lot more than just standing and striking and leaning on each other.

Yep. I agree...I don't see too many defenses of his title....plus the Brazilian JJ is MUCH better to watch than a stand-up fight or just plain wrestling around. BJJ is just fun to watch....amazing what they can do.

BlueBandit

10-23-2010, 11:56 PM

Brock Turtled

Tattoos don't make you tuff, Viking sword tattoos don't make you a bada--

Brock Lesna was scared,he had piss running down his leg after he took his first stiff shot, then he stumbled across the ring like a clown

And turtled and got his face caved him that gash was the size of the Grand Canyon .

Listen this guy got thrown around by the Vikings OL....they jacked this dude for laughs..

These MMA guys are full of crap....you get Lesnar in a brawl with a guy who can fire left right combos in a bar and Lesnar is picking his teeth up , the next day after he wakes up - dude has no handles , no hands. ,no punching skill bro, the guy can't fight ,.he looks great ,he looks bada- - but guess what - he can't throw down .....

He should retire and go back to WWE , where it's play fighting ,guys like Velasquez hurt you = they can throw down and they can wrestle; deadly combo

Brock looked like Sonny Liston.

Dallas

10-24-2010, 12:06 AM

GSP is absolutely amazing!

The fight that sticks out to me is the fight against Koscheck.....Koscheck was talking so much trash about wrestling being "his" game and how GSP couldn't take him down...what did GSP do? Took him down...beat on him for a bit, let him up and then took him down again. Did that over and over. GSP doesn't talk trash before the fight and lets his actions do the talking for him.

He pretty much does that to everyone that he fights....he takes their strength and beats them at their own strength.

GSP is just amazing to watch....period!

GSP is my favorite fighter and really want him to destroy Silva, if ever they do fight. I could argue that Silva doesn't even want to fight GSP. :D

BigWillie

10-24-2010, 12:09 AM

I personally think they are both the most exciting guys in the sport.

Im not much into the heavys. They are kinda boring to watch for the most part. I actually enjoy the ground game a lot more than just standing and striking and leaning on each other.

:D

They are definitely up there among the best. Aldo and Shogun as well.

Just messin' with you about the first reply though. Quite a few folks hate GSP around here because of his style.

Jimz31

10-24-2010, 12:10 AM

GSP is my favorite fighter and really want him to destroy Silva, if ever they do fight. I could argue that Silva doesn't even want to fight GSP. :D

My favorite fighter a well.

For some reason he reminds me of Jean-Claude Van Damme. Both in how he looks and talks.....

romo2to

10-24-2010, 12:26 AM

I understand the money side of business, but why does Cain Velasquez get 8 months to prepare for one guy while the other guy puts up a fight in July coming off major surgery?

Doesn't really make much sense to me from a competitive standpoint.

It's going to be funny when Lesnar continues to lose because then Dana's going to lose his only massive draw to his sport. Ultimately, UFC will fade back into the sport it used to be.

BigWillie

10-24-2010, 12:28 AM

The one thing I think tonight emphasizes more than anything is that Brock is his own worst enemy. Before and after the Carwin fight I talked about how Brock needs a new set of training partners.

Yes, his partners are all a tight-knit group, but the problem is that they are all wrestlers. Brock, or any fighter, needs those sparring partners and training partners who will help mold you into a complete fighter. Having Jon Madsen, Cole Konrad, Chris Tuchscherer, etc., there on a constant basis will not expand your game.

I know Pat Barry was brought in, but while quick, Barry doesn't have the best hands of a fighter. Even more, I don't think I can remember Barry being used as a tutor for anyone.

Brock does have it right by using Peter Welch as his boxing coach, but that only goes so far. Hitting mitts, a body suit and having him hold the heavy bag for you only go so far. You need those sparring buddies who you can go at it with and have them push you.

It will never happen, but if Brock went somewhere like ATT, he could reach that potential that he keeps showing. But until he gets away from a camp that really does nothing to further develop him, he will be the same Brock as always.

Still good enough to beat lots of folks, but his striking will continue to stink.

Jimz31

10-24-2010, 12:29 AM

romo2to

10-24-2010, 12:38 AM

Seriously though...Boxing is so BORING to watch after just one week of watching UFC.

Before Lesnar, UFC was on it's way up. I don't see it fading at all.

Not really -- much more intelligence needed for boxing than MMA/UFC.

Jimz31

10-24-2010, 12:42 AM

Not really -- much more intelligence needed for boxing than MMA/UFC.

Really? Like boxers have to worry more about the punch coming at you than all of the stuff that a BJJ black belt can do? Come one. There have already been boxers that have tried to go up against UFC guys and they've lost...badly.

A boxer has NO IDEA how to get out of some of the holds that they get into when they are facing someone who knows what they are doing....a boxer can go down on a knee to stop it....MMA/UFC guys do that and they are toast.

romo2to

10-24-2010, 01:01 AM

Really? Like boxers have to worry more about the punch coming at you than all of the stuff that a BJJ black belt can do? Come one. There have already been boxers that have tried to go up against UFC guys and they've lost...badly.

A boxer has NO IDEA how to get out of some of the holds that they get into when they are facing someone who knows what they are doing....a boxer can go down on a knee to stop it....MMA/UFC guys do that and they are toast.

One ?: can you name me one boxer that's won the heavyweight championship in 4 fights?

CATCH17

10-24-2010, 01:16 AM

This one hurt me tonight. Hated seeing Brock lose.

8FOR!3

10-24-2010, 01:16 AM

One ?: can you name me one boxer that's won the heavyweight championship in 4 fights?

Really? It's always been an obvious case that boxing promoters love to build up their fighters against scrubs to give them the unblemishable undefeated record that is held for as long as possible. Give me a break, there isn't one Jiu-Jitsu blue belt I've rolled with that couldn't destroy a boxer who's never worked on their takedown defense or anything MMA related. I'm not going to say boxing is boring, I appreciate the sport, but boxers being more intelligent is a joke when you're comparing them up against guys that have trained in Jiu-Jitsu 10-15 years, guys who have been wrestling at a high level since they were children, and ... Why am I even arguing this? Did James Toney not prove my point as is?

Ren

10-24-2010, 01:29 AM

Lesnar was a fraud he had no business getting that title shot when he got it, he should have payed his dues like everyone else has to. I'm pretty sure Dana set that fight up knowing it was his best shot at getting the belt away from Couture. He knew Couture had always struggled with big Wrestlers and was also flirting with leaving the UFC to fight Fedor. Brock got the title fight after just 2 fights in the UFC and he had only won 1 of them and was just 2-1 overall in MMA, i always though that was extremely unfair to fighters that work their butts off to get that shot and it's no secret i've been wanting to see what happened tonight since.

The UFC HW division was a joke when Brock won the title and he instantly made it interesting, it was huge as far as PR goes to have him win that title and they hyped him accordingly.
Brock has freakish athletic ability and almost unlimited potential but he's raw as hell and he looked like he to was caught up in his own hype. He never seemed to get any more skilled with each fight and always looked like a dude that relied purely on size and brute force. Brock got exposed big time tonight and i honestly think it can be the best thing that ever happened to him as a fighter. Cain exposed the holes in his game tonight and showed everyone that brute force only gets you so far. If Brock works on some of his weaknesses as a fighter and improve in those areas he'll be unstoppable

BigWillie

10-24-2010, 02:18 AM

http://twitter.com/#!/bryanalvarez/status/28565307424

Brock and Undertaker had a staredown and exchanged words after the fight. Not making this up, Ariel Helwani was doing the interview
2 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone

:lmao:

Hoofbite

10-24-2010, 02:42 AM

jchap

10-24-2010, 07:26 AM

Not really -- much more intelligence needed for boxing than MMA/UFC.

The reason these fights are sometimes entertaining is specifically cause MMA fighters are usually terrible at boxing and get caught with slow power punches in stand up. When it goes to the grappling on the ground and quits being about striking, it gets boring.

big dog cowboy

10-24-2010, 09:11 AM

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Thanks for posting this!!!

If only the UT were 20 years younger.

CATCH17

10-24-2010, 09:28 AM

Brock got out of control last night.

He needs to fight like Dan Henderson and just try to counter.

A flying knee? Come on..

And that was an early stoppage too IMO.

ShiningStar

10-24-2010, 09:59 AM

Hostile

10-24-2010, 10:20 AM

SupermanXx

10-24-2010, 10:34 AM

wonder if Lesnar thinks Velasquez's fist tastes as good as a Corona and burrito would have.

TheCount

10-24-2010, 10:34 AM

I like that video of the Undertaker and him staring each other down. It would have been cool to see him in MMA. They should have shown more of his wife, Michelle McCool. She is seriously hot.

I agree with his assessment of Brock. If he can't go straight to ground and pound I think he looks too vurlerable. Carwin tagged him and backed him up. Carwin had no cadio. Cain is the exact opposite in that I think the longer a fight goes the more likely he is to come out on top. Once he hit Brock he did just like against Carwin. He backed up. The difference was, Cain did not punch himself out.

Brock is fun to watch because of his power, but power can't win every fight.

I am really happy for Cain. I liked him from the first time I saw him and others hated him for the Brown Pride tat. Great fighter IMO.

We get it, we get it. You are and have always been Cain's #1 Fan! :laugh2:

Seriously though I agree that Brock's standup has always been the fatal flaw, Carwin exposed it for the world to see. It all stems from inexperience, he's just not used to getting punched in the face. Wrestling doesn't prepare you for that and neither does football of entertainment wrestling, you just have to fight. I've never seen anyone cower like Brock does in a ring once the fists start flying, and I was even more surprised he wasn't called out for it from his last fight. It was pretty cowardly.

I have always hated Brock though, so I will admit I was jumping up and down like a fool while Cain wrecked him. Especially since I was so disappointed by so many of the other fights on the card.

On a positive note, now that Brock has gotten his face smashed I can focus all my hatred on Jake Shields. Holy crap, the UFC does NOT need another hugger under contract, send that dude back to Strikeforce!

wonder if Lesnar thinks Velasquez's fist tastes as good as a Corona and burrito would have.

I know some people took offense to that, and as I said I hate Brock, but I don't think he meant to be anything other than funny when he said that. You could tell Brock didn't hate the guy from the onset, nothing like his back and forths with Mir and Carwin.

Hostile

10-24-2010, 10:56 AM

We get it, we get it. You are and have always been Cain's #1 Fan!I'm not sure I am. My friend Al is big into MMA. He goes to almost all of these. I know he was there last night. Cain has been his favorite fighter for a long time. He was telling me about him for months before I saw him fight and he predicted last night almost perfectly. He thought Brock lasted the 1st round but not the 2nd.

I'm an impressed observer of the sport. I don't have favorites. He is a genuine fan of the guy. My favorite fighter last night was Diego Sanchez by far.

Hoofbite

10-24-2010, 11:06 AM

Brock got out of control last night.

He needs to fight like Dan Henderson and just try to counter.

A flying knee? Come on..

And that was an early stoppage too IMO.

Early?

Dang. I don't know much about the sport but I thought they call the fight when you are no longer actively protecting yourself and are just trying to stay alive by covering up. Maybe not. I could be wrong and probably am.

Looked like Lesnar was given every chance in the world to collect himself and put up a defense. He was clearly outmatched when he was on the ground. To be honest, I thought the fight could have been called for a good period of time before it was.

Not only that but that cut was HUGE. You think they would have let him go back out with that filleted mug?

Lesnar was just outmatched. He couldn't bull the guy over and he looked to be at a loss. After Cain separated himself around the 3 minute mark, Brock looked to back up and have absolutely no idea of what he was going to do.

I was pretty shocked at how easily Cain worked him over once the brief period of Brock taking him down was over.

Hoofbite

10-24-2010, 11:07 AM

I'm not sure I am. My friend Al is big into MMA. He goes to almost all of these. I know he was there last night. Cain has been his favorite fighter for a long time. He was telling me about him for months before I saw him fight and he predicted last night almost perfectly. He thought Brock lasted the 1st round but not the 2nd.

I'm an impressed observer of the sport. I don't have favorites. He is a genuine fan of the guy. My favorite fighter last night was Diego Sanchez by far.

Yeah, that guy was all-go.

Dude must have insane cardio.

Hoofbite

10-24-2010, 11:10 AM

Thanks for posting this!!!

If only the UT were 20 years younger.

Yeah.

Funny thing is, you can tell Taker's had a few drinks.

He's got his liquid courage on high and Lesnar is in a pissed mood from getting whipped.

Taker's been my favorite wrestler since I started watching back in the day but this move just looked foolish. Asking a guy who was just in a fight if they "wanna do it" is pretty damn stupid.

Then again, I don't know why they don't like each other. I'm glad he at least had the stones to just say there was personal stuff between them.

CanuckCowboysFan

10-24-2010, 11:12 AM

you get Lesnar in a brawl with a guy who can fire left right combos in a bar and Lesnar is picking his teeth up , the next day after he wakes up

You don't actually believe this, right? You legit think that a Joe blow in a bar would actually pick a fight with a lesnar or anybody his size for that matter at a bar and beat him at that, if he 'knew how to throw combos'? LOL.

Hoofbite

10-24-2010, 11:13 AM

Alright.

This is hilarious.

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af51/soiriecantsee/funny%20sherdog/2nkigc9jpg.gif

Nirvana

10-24-2010, 12:38 PM

Early?

Dang. I don't know much about the sport but I thought they call the fight when you are no longer actively protecting yourself and are just trying to stay alive by covering up. Maybe not. I could be wrong and probably am.

Looked like Lesnar was given every chance in the world to collect himself and put up a defense. He was clearly outmatched when he was on the ground. To be honest, I thought the fight could have been called for a good period of time before it was.

Not only that but that cut was HUGE. You think they would have let him go back out with that filleted mug?

Lesnar was just outmatched. He couldn't bull the guy over and he looked to be at a loss. After Cain separated himself around the 3 minute mark, Brock looked to back up and have absolutely no idea of what he was going to do.

I was pretty shocked at how easily Cain worked him over once the brief period of Brock taking him down was over.

I believe the ref is supposed to stop it when the fighter can no longer intelligently defend himself. I thought the stoppage was correct and at the right time, not too soon or too late. Lesnar also had a serious gash under his left eye so was fortunate to have it stopped.

Doomsday

10-24-2010, 01:38 PM

Ren

10-24-2010, 01:48 PM

I dont see how you can argue that Lesnar didnt deserve a title shot, if that were the case he wouldnt of held the belt through 3 title defenses.

It was great seeing him get lit up like that last night though.

2 title defenses and he barely escaped the last one with a win.

Cain had to win 9 straight fights to get his shot, Brock had to win 1 and his 1 UFC win prior to getting a title shot wasn't even a contender, it was Heath Herring

Brock didn't deserve a title shot when he got it, i don't know how anyone can say he did when much better fighters like Cain have to win more fights then Brock has had in total to even get a shot at it

Rowdy

10-24-2010, 02:16 PM

Diego had this to say before last night..."That last fight with Hathaway I wasn’t disciplined, wasn’t focused and was making the wrong decisions with my personal life. I had this idea in my head that I was gonna go in there and just knock him out. Karma came around and bit me in the *** pretty hard with a big knee in the face in the first round.... When it’s all said and done, I got my life together; I got my act together. I stopped partying. I said, ‘Hell, I don’t want to lose any more fights in my career.' The only thing I can tell you is I was very humbled by God, and I had to humble my whole lifestyle. I made a lot of changes. I realized what I want in my life. Now I’m just moving toward the positive. The main thing I learned from my losses was that, in the fight game, you earn the victory.... I know in my heart that was a watered-down version of Diego Sanchez. This time around, Dana White is gonna be saying, ‘Holy ****, Diego looks amazing at 170."

TheCount

10-24-2010, 10:04 PM

playmakers

10-25-2010, 10:32 AM

Regardless, I want to see a rematch. If Lesnar would had won this fight and would had beaten Da Santos and Carwin in a rematch he was on his way to Mike Tyson status from the late 80s early 90s.

I was with alot of you when Lesnar came in the ring he looked about 50 pounds of muscle heavier than Cain. As soon as Brock got the first take down I was like its over. I think Lesnar made the mistake of moving to side control instead of just laying on top of him for a minute or two to wear him out. Cain got out easy and took control.

One thing that helped Cain was training with Daniel Cormier. I beileve he's kind of the younger version of Brock. I never seen the guy fight but just heard stories of him from other top fighters like Rashard Evans who said thats the only guy he could not take down in his camp and I beileve Shane Carwin is in that camp.

TheDallasDon

10-25-2010, 11:08 AM

I just don't see Cain being the top dog for very long.

1 or 2 defenses and I think there will be a new champion by then.

Nope. Wrong Cain will get destroyed by my faviorte MMA fighter Jouior Dos Santos

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Boom

10-25-2010, 04:19 PM

I go through love and hate bouts with Diego, and the fact that he admits to being a bit of a turd recently certainly validates that. I'll always have a special place for him and Clay Guida though, their fight was amazing.

Every time I start to dislike Diego, I think back to when he knocked out that arrogant POS Karo Parisyan's tooth and I like him again.

InmanRoshi

10-25-2010, 04:41 PM

Regardless, I want to see a rematch. If Lesnar would had won this fight and would had beaten Da Santos and Carwin in a rematch he was on his way to Mike Tyson status from the late 80s early 90s.

Instead he's 5-2 as a professional fighter, and probably should have been 4-3 if Carwin didn't gas himself out repeatedly punching Brock in the face so many times. Brock came into the UFC HW division when there was a huge void of good talent in it's prime, but with the influx of Carwin, Cain and JDS that's changed. I think he's the 4th best fighter in his division, worse than that if Dana can get someone like Overeem or Fedor to come over anytime soon. Brock is 33 years old and chasing younger, better fighters. He'll still be a big PPV draw, but I don't think he'll ever challenge for a HW championship again.

Tyson is a pretty good comparison. Both of them relied on intimidation and brute force to try to win the fight in the two minutes, but if they couldn't get the early knockout they got that "Oh crap, what do I do now?" look on their face.

Hostile

10-25-2010, 05:15 PM

Nope. Wrong Cain will get destroyed by my faviorte MMA fighter Jouior Dos Santos

2ls7ldH9xE8I am a novice to this sport, but that was not impressive. So he pounded a tub of goo. Cain pounded Lesnar a lot worse and I am pretty sure that tub of goo could not last a round with Brock.

TheDallasDon

10-25-2010, 05:20 PM

I am a novice to this sport, but that was not impressive. So he pounded a tub of goo. Cain pounded Lesnar a lot worse and I am pretty sure that tub of goo could not last a round with Brock.

hes got way more then that and that "Tub Of Goo" is 1 of the top 10 best HW in the game so that is impressive

the kid 05

10-25-2010, 05:32 PM

Every time I start to dislike Diego, I think back to when he knocked out that arrogant POS Karo Parisyan's tooth and I like him again.

Everytime i see his name i think of him singing "my judo throws are the best judo throws in the world, all the other judo throws are done by little girls"

Hostile

10-25-2010, 05:44 PM

hes got way more then that and that "Tub Of Goo" is 1 of the top 10 best HW in the game so that is impressiveI guess the top 10 could be really diluted.

Still not impressive to me.

Temo

10-25-2010, 09:34 PM

hes got way more then that and that "Tub Of Goo" is 1 of the top 10 best HW in the game so that is impressive

Top 10 HW isn't nearly as impressive as it seems you're trying to make it look.

TheCount

10-25-2010, 10:03 PM

Cain's trainer has already admitted that Dos Santos has better boxing than Cain. I think it'll be a good fight.

Dos Santos hasn't really been taken down, I think that changes with Cain.

TheCount

10-25-2010, 10:04 PM

Every time I start to dislike Diego, I think back to when he knocked out that arrogant POS Karo Parisyan's tooth and I like him again.

Oh god, if I made a list of my most hated fighters, Karo is probably tops on that list. I can't stand that idiot.

TheDallasDon

10-25-2010, 11:19 PM

Cain's trainer has already admitted that Dos Santos has better boxing than Cain. I think it'll be a good fight.

Dos Santos hasn't really been taken down, I think that changes with Cain.

Dos Santos is faster, stronger, quicker, better hands, good ground game BJJ, if he imroves his takedown defence Cain as no chance

Cover 2

10-25-2010, 11:52 PM

Dos Santos is faster, stronger, quicker, better hands, good ground game BJJ, if he imroves his takedown defence Cain as no chance
Cain's wrestling is much better than Cigano's BJJ. Dos Santos is an immensely talented stand up fighter though. Cain would still win though due to superior ground skills.

TheDallasDon

10-26-2010, 07:02 AM

Cain's wrestling is much better than Cigano's BJJ. Dos Santos is an immensely talented stand up fighter though. Cain would still win though due to superior ground skills.

He's a black belt under the Nogueira Brothers, and they don't just hand out belts like its candy.

With that said its hard 2 judge JDS BJJ cuz he has never been 2 the ground he has great defence, and KO's people before we get a chance 2 see it.

Agian 2 say Cain has better Ground game is just a gess and the ty should go 2 BJJ IMO

The Horned Frog

10-28-2010, 09:03 AM

He's a black belt under the Nogueira Brothers, and they don't just hand out belts like its candy.

You're partially right.

JDS is only a brown belt under the Nogueiras. However, you are right in the sense that they are notoriously stingy when it comes to handing out black belts, and you really have to earn your stripes to get one from them. Put Dos Santos in just about any other camp, he's a black belt by now.

Also, for those who overlooked his win over Roy Nelson, and aren't impressed with him because he doesn't "look the part", don't judge a book by it's cover. Roy Nelson is a very good fighter, with a good ground game and solid Jiu Jitsu. He's no slouch whatsoever.

In terms of predicting, I think Velasquez is able to beat Dos Santos. JDS has never faced a wrestler like Velasquez, and has been put on his back outside of the UFC by lesser grapplers. I expect a five round takedown and top position clinic by Velasquez and a decision win. Cain has a granite chin, and can take a punch (Cheick Kongo teed off on him and would have dropped anyone else with his punches, Velasquez shrugged them off), however he's smart enough to know that standing with Dos Santos isn't smart strategy.

On top of things, JDS' jiu jitsu is built to work submissions off top control. He's not a guy who has a high repitore of submissions off his back, or in defense. Certain fighters, like Fabricio Werdum and Jacare, are efficient with subs off their back. JDS isn't one who is, and that's where he's going to spend a large majority of the fight with Velasquez, fighting off his back.

I think Velasquez is going to be a tough win for anyone. He's got great wrestling, is nearly impossible to take down and keep down. He can take a punch and dish them out just as well. He's got good submission defense and a solid skillset there himself (although we've never got to see it in use).

It's going to be a nice fight, but I got Velasquez winning by decisive decision.

Also, as for Diego, the biggest mistake he ever made was leaving Greg Jackson's camp to begin with. Jackson made him a much better fighter, and he never looked the same in his two plus years he spent outside of there. The Sanchez we saw at UFC 121 was the one who plowed through the competition on The Ultimate Fighter 1. Part of that reason? Greg Jackson.

Jake Sheids needs one more fight in the UFC before he should get a title shot. Put him in there with Jon Fitch, and give the winner the shot. It may not be the most stylistically enjoyable fight, but it's the one that makes the most sense. Fitch has long been considered the #2 WW in the UFC, and if Shields can beat him, there's no dispute he deserves the shot. His win over Kampmann (which was the right decision by the judges) was inconclusive.

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BrAinPaiNt

10-28-2010, 09:29 AM

I go through love and hate bouts with Diego, and the fact that he admits to being a bit of a turd recently certainly validates that. I'll always have a special place for him and Clay Guida though, their fight was amazing.

Yes that fight was amazing. I love watching both of those guys fight because they go 100% non stop and their cardio is amazing and when they fought each other it was insane.

Anyone that likes non stop action, never say die attitude and great cardio in fights...try and find the Diego Sanchez vs Clay Guida fight...you will not be disappointed.

TheCount

10-28-2010, 09:46 AM

Dos Santos is faster, stronger, quicker, better hands, good ground game BJJ, if he imroves his takedown defence Cain as no chance

Cain's gonna take him down at some point, it's an inevitability. We've never really seen JDS on the ground like that, so I'm interested to see his BJJ skills.

There's no doubt that JDS would prefer to stand though, it's in his best interest to get up rather than try and submit Cain.

I've got no vested interest in who wins since I like both fighters, should be a good fight. To me this is a much more interesting fight (as opposed to circus attraction) than Cain vs Brock or really anyone vs Brock.

BraveHeartFan

10-29-2010, 01:27 AM

I am a novice to this sport, but that was not impressive. So he pounded a tub of goo. Cain pounded Lesnar a lot worse and I am pretty sure that tub of goo could not last a round with Brock.

That tub of goo is a seriously tough fighter that people often over look. He's not the best but he's certainly no push over.

Junior is also the guy who knocked out Fabricio (I hope I spelled that right). People might remember him as the guy who recently defeated Fedor.

Yeah, that Junior guy, he's pretty good.

A fight between him and Cain would be outstanding.

Cain is dang good. Anyone trying to take that away from him is crazy. The guy can go. I like him a lot.

Lesnar will be back. I don't see how people can continue to dog him and act like he can't do anything at all. He's still a relative novice when it comes to MMA and has plenty of talent and upside. He's got a long way to go, without a doubt, but he does have the ability to get there again.

I wouldn't count him out.

Maybe that's just me.