And with the first pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select..

[CowboyWay]

LB? DE?

Whats your flavor?

[Dash28]

LB? DE?

Whats your flavor?
Wrong area.

BTW LB/DE with the first pick would be foolish.

[SDogo]

QB

Sorry but if we have the 1st pick you have to take the opportunity to grab a franchise QB when there is no top 5 talent in a area of need.

[Oh_Canada]

Olineman or safety

[CanuckCowboysFan]

QB

Sorry but if we have the 1st pick you have to take the opportunity to grab a franchise QB when there is no top 5 talent in a area of need.

.................................. Patrick Peterson....................... Best player overall IMO in the whole draft. Better then Luck. And he is w/o a doubt a top 5 talent, CB is a position of need....

If we draft Luck 1st overall, he's not starting till after Romo retires.

[locked&loaded]

QB

Sorry but if we have the 1st pick you have to take the opportunity to grab a franchise QB when there is no top 5 talent in a area of need.

Ya lets get a qb so he can get destroyed because of our crap oline. Lets not adress our awful safeties or lbs. You are awful at stuff.

[wileedog]

Olineman or safety

This x100

[cjr126]

this team has so many holes they would need 10 #1 picks to even come close to fixing them

the cowboys best chance is to have no football next year

[Dash28]

Ya lets get a qb so he can get destroyed because of our crap oline. Lets not adress our awful safeties or lbs. You are awful at stuff.
What OL/S/LB is worth the number one pick?

Luck or Peterson.

[garrett316]

Andrew Luck if he declares. If you are sitting at #1 you take a franchise qb. Romo will be 31 next season, you groom the kid for 2-3 years like the Pack did with Rodgers.

They could try and trade out an acquire extra picks, but with Jerry at GM he'd spend them on st guys who can't play st and are out of the league in 3 months.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Ya lets get a qb so he can get destroyed because of our crap oline. Lets not adress our awful safeties or lbs. You are awful at stuff.


READ THE THREAD. IT CLEARLY SAYS 1ST OVERALL.

[CowboyWay]

Wrong area.

BTW LB/DE with the first pick would be foolish.

Uh...yeah. I know.

[tomson75]

QB

Sorry but if we have the 1st pick you have to take the opportunity to grab a franchise QB when there is no top 5 talent in a area of need.

Except for when you already have a franchise QB....and there is top 5 talent at OL.

Address the OL....it's a no-brainer IMO.

[reddyuta]

Olineman or safety


just o-line,maybe the 2nd rd too.i am tired of jerry neglecting our o-line for years.

[Rack Bauer]

LB? DE?

Whats your flavor?

If the cowboys draft a LB or DE in the first round I'll blow dallas up.



Say it with me now...

OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.

[SDogo]

What OL/S/LB is worth the number one pick?



I guess that's a hard concept to understand.

People still think the draft is about grabbing a position no matter what.

[Ren]

QB

Sorry but if we have the 1st pick you have to take the opportunity to grab a franchise QB when there is no top 5 talent in a area of need.

Unless there's a beast of a there OT i agree, we're only going to get 4-5 more good years out of Romo. We have so many needs right now that we probably won't be good enough to make a run within that time frame and not getting a QB means post Aikman era all over again

[McLovin]

He'll trade down for ST help.

[Dash28]

Except for when you already have a franchise QB....and there is top 5 talent at OL.

Address the OL....it's a no-brainer IMO.
Who are you taking that high on the OL in this draft?

[SDogo]

Except for when you already have a franchise QB....and there is top 5 talent at OL.

Address the OL....it's a no-brainer IMO.

Who at OL?

[jbsg02]

We really need a couple stud OG's but Guards don't go top 5, which is where it looks like we could be. We may have some teams looking to trade up for Luck or Locker. It's looking like next year could be deep at CB and Newman is aging. OL should be top priority though

[jimmy40]

receiver, we're the new Lions.

[28 Joker]

Will Dallas have the number 1 pick in the draft?

I think it will be a top ten pick for sure.

Top 5 is possible..

[Dash28]

I guess that's a hard concept to understand.

People still think the draft is about grabbing a position no matter what.
Apparently so.

[locked&loaded]

READ THE THREAD. IT CLEARLY SAYS 1ST OVERALL.

I can read. Our team could win now. Romo can win now. He has 5-6 years left. We need oline, Safety or Mlb. Or are you too dense to know whats going on.

[Chocolate Lab]

If the cowboys draft a LB or DE in the first round I'll blow dallas up.



Say it with me now...

OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.

We definitely need to work on the foundation of the team.

Hint to Jerry: Those aren't "wow players".

[Rack Bauer]

Andrew Luck if he declares. If you are sitting at #1 you take a franchise qb. Romo will be 31 next season, you groom the kid for 2-3 years like the Pack did with Rodgers.

They could try and trade out an acquire extra picks, but with Jerry at GM he'd spend them on st guys who can't play st and are out of the league in 3 months.

Couldn't disagree more. I HATE that teams always feel they have to take a QB with the #1 pick. Take the best PLAYER available or trade down. PERIOD.


QB is one of the position we LEAST need on this team. Drafting a QB would be freakin' dumb.

[SDogo]

Apparently so.


We have a LT and people want to spend a top 5 pick on a RT or OG when the value is not there by position and talent.........unbelievable

[locked&loaded]

Unless there's a beast of a there OT i agree, we're only going to get 4-5 more good years out of Romo. We have so many needs right now that we probably won't be good enough to make a run within that time frame and not getting a QB means post Aikman era all over again


If you idiots havent learned anyting from romo you dont have to go number 1 pick overall for a good qb. Take notes from the jets building their oline.

[cjr126]

the nfl should take away the super bowl and give it to someone else just to stick it to jerry jones

this team is a direct reflection of jerry jones ... just a total embarrassment

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I can read. Our team could win now. Romo can win now. He has 5-6 years left. We need oline, Safety or Mlb. Or are you too dense to know whats going on.


Are you retarded? LMFAO. Look whos ****ing talking. The OP clearly states FIST OVERALL. Tell me smart one, which Oline, Safety, or MLB is good enough to go first overall. You're the only dense one here buddy.

[InmanRoshi]

We're going to need some CB talent, because Scandrick is terrible and needs to be upgraded badly, Newman is no spring chicken and I just don't trust Mike Jenkins to ever be a consistently good cornerback that you can count on.

[Ren]

If you idiots havent learned anyting from romo you dont have to go number 1 pick overall for a good qb. Take notes from the jets building their oline.

That's like saying "I don't need to work, i might win the lottery again" :rolleyes:

[hutch1254]

I would seriously kill for a playmaking safety a la Polamalu type.

[SDogo]

We're going to need some CB talent, because Scandrick is terrible and needs to be upgraded badly, Newman is no spring chicken and I just don't trust Mike Jenkins to ever be a consistently good cornerback that you can count on.

Peterson is the ONLY option that makes any sense over a QB if we are picking top 5.

[Rack Bauer]

We definitely need to work on the foundation of the team.

Hint to Jerry: Those aren't "wow players".


There's really only 2 lineman on the team I think are worth a crap. Free and Kosier. And Kosier should be a backup.


Gurode is dumb. Bigg is a giant waste of space. Anyone with quickness destroys him. He looks like an old Larry Allen... problem is Bigg isn't old.

As for Colombo, injuries drastically shortened his career. He needs to go.


I'd start moving away from the giant mauler type OL and starting drafting the more athletic ones (like Free). Maybe we'll get one or two with the athleticism to protect our freakin' QB.

[Blackspider214]

Knowing this franchise, we will trade that pick for some 2nd rounders and beef up our depth for special teams.

:laugh2:

[Rack Bauer]

I would seriously kill for a playmaking safety a la Polamalu type.

I would too, but not with our 1st rounder.

[locked&loaded]

Are you retarded? LMFAO. Look whos ****ing talking. The OP clearly states FIST OVERALL. Tell me smart one, which Oline, Safety, or MLB is good enough to go first overall. You're the only dense one here buddy.

Do you realize how early it is in the year? Who knows whos going first? who knows who will get hurt or declare. I sware if we could line up all the uneducated people in the world and just gun them down...

If you cant realize what this team needs you need a heavy dose of morphine and some kind of lobotomy.

[Rack Bauer]

If you idiots havent learned anyting from romo you dont have to go number 1 pick overall for a good qb. Take notes from the jets building their oline.

:hammer:

[CanuckCowboysFan]

If we have the first overall pick, we take Patrick Peterson, not Andrew Luck. End of discussion.

[tomson75]

Knowing this franchise, we will trade that pick for some 2nd rounders and beef up our depth for special teams.

:laugh2:

:laugh2:

I lol'd.

[Rack Bauer]

If we have the first overall pick, we take Patrick Peterson, not Andrew Luck. End of discussion.

No, we don't. We trade down. NOW... it's the end of discussion.

[SDCowboy85]

Anything other than OL and we are already doomed again.

[Nirvana]

Trade down, draft an OT and a FS.

[danielofthesaints]

Sign me up for Patrick Peterson. This kid is special.

[locked&loaded]

That's like saying "I don't need to work, i might win the lottery again" :rolleyes:

Thats like saying getting a good qb is 1 in 54 million. dumb simile. move along.

[tomson75]

Do you realize how early it is in the year? Who knows whos going first? who knows who will get hurt or declare. I sware if we could line up all the uneducated people in the world and just gun them down...

If you cant realize what this team needs you need a heavy dose of morphine and some kind of lobotomy.

Exactly.....anyone that thinks there will be no top 3 value at OL is kidding themselves.

A top 5 QB is the last thing we need to draft. Hell, I'd rather spend a top 5 pick on a Safety.

We need help at RG, RT, and C....and depth everywhere on the OL. If we're sitting on a high first round pick and we don't go OL....

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Do you realize how early it is in the year? Who knows whos going first? who knows who will get hurt or declare. I sware if we could line up all the uneducated people in the world and just gun them down...

If you cant realize what this team needs you need a heavy dose of morphine and some kind of lobotomy.


Omg, this guy is actually retarded. Do you even follow college football or the draft? Didn't think so. If you did, you'd have an idea of who is going where. ******. NO O-LINEMAN, SAFETY, OR MIDDLE LINEBACKER IS GOOD ENOUGH TO GO FIRST OVERALL, PERIOD. Do you understand? I know what this team needs, thanks. You don't REACH for a position of need if THERES NO VALUE. Please, name me one MLB, safety, or Lineman thats worthy of going 1st overall? Till then ****


BTW talk about being uneducated. It's Swear, not I sware. LOL

[tomson75]

Trade down, draft an OT and a FS.

It moved.

This would be an ideal scenario.

Followed by our standard ILB in the second, of course.

[UnoDallas]

Who at OL?

I say Sherrod will surprise every one when they see how athletic he is at the combine

I seen him at no 5

put him at RG then we got backup LT

other wise I pick Luck do what the packers did with Rodgers oh an fire our QB coach gawd I hate Wade Wilson

then it might be Petersen

[SDogo]

We need help at RG, RT, and C....and depth everywhere on the OL. If we're sitting on a high first round pick and we don't go OL....


Everything else you said is pointless.

YOU DONT DRAFT RG's, RT's or Centers with top 5 picks let alone top 10 or 15.

Good grief.........

I'll also be willing to be my house you dont see a OL period ranked as a top 5 selection come April. It's not that early in the college season to say that.

[Ren]

Thats like saying getting a good qb is 1 in 54 million. dumb simile. move along.

yeah i'm stupid for not wanting to bet the future on getting lucky and finding another Romo :rolleyes:

Let's reach for the best OL even if there's not one there and screw our selves over for years to come once Romo is done

[Apollo Creed]

DeAndre McDaniel safety from Clemson.

[SDogo]

I say Sherrod will surprise every one when they see how athletic he is at the combine

I seen him at no 5

put him at RG then we got backup LT

other wise I pick Luck do what the packers did with Rodgers oh an fire our QB coach gawd I hate Wade Wilson

then it might be Petersen

He will go 6-10. He has great athletic ability but your going to find his measurables will not be enough to get him in the top 5

[Blackspider214]

Or maybe we can draft Jerrod Johnson from Aggy to pair him with McGoo.

[SDogo]

DeAndre McDaniel safety from Clemson.

Love him, not top 5 but I would love to find a way to land him

[SDCowboy85]

yeah i'm stupid for not wanting to bet the future on getting lucky and finding another Romo :rolleyes:

Let's reach for the best OL even if there's not one there and screw our selves over for years to come once Romo is done

Any QB we draft now will be near 30 by the time Romo is done.

[Rack Bauer]

Everything else you said is pointless.

YOU DONT DRAFT RG's, RT's or Centers with top 5 picks let alone top 10 or 15.

Good grief.........

I'll also be willing to be my house you dont see a OL period ranked as a top 5 selection come April. It's not that early in the college season to say that.

YOu most certainly do if there's a RG, RT, or Center worth a top 5 pick.

[UnoDallas]

Everything else you said is pointless.

YOU DONT DRAFT RG's, RT's or Centers with top 5 picks let alone top 10 or 15.

Good grief.........

I'll also be willing to be my house you dont see a OL period ranked as a top 5 selection come April. It's not that early in the college season to say that.

I think after the senior bowl games an the combine Sherrod will be a top 5 pick

[CowboyMcCoy]

Offensive linemen X3 for the first three. Then get a FA FS with some experience. We don't have time to develop a FS, imo.

[locked&loaded]

Omg, this guy is actually retarded. Do you even follow college football or the draft? Didn't think so. If you did, you'd have an idea of who is going where. ******. NO O-LINEMAN, SAFETY, OR MIDDLE LINEBACKER IS GOOD ENOUGH TO GO FIRST OVERALL, PERIOD. Do you understand? I know what this team needs, thanks. You don't REACH for a position of need if THERES NO VALUE. Please, name me one MLB, safety, or Lineman thats worthy of going 1st overall? Till then ****


BTW talk about being uneducated. It's Swear, not I sware. LOL

I see you arent even from the united states. Obviously you are confusing our game of football with what we call futball.

Im glad I noticed that; because I was about to say if you were any more retarded we would have to put you in a home.

Remember when rodgers dropped to 24? You think you are some draft expert. No one knows where anyone will go. There hasnt been a senior bowl or combine. Do you enjoy paint chips?

[Ren]

Any QB we draft now will be near 30 by the time Romo is done.

Romo is 31, it would be foolish to expect him to play at the same high level much past 35

[TheCoolFan]

This year should just be known as the Trenches Draft. Every pick should be an offensive or defensive linemen. We gotta shore up the trenches before we worry about anything else. We're soft inside.

[rkell87]

patrick peterson if it really is #1 overall, and then maybe trade up back into the first for a G/C we like. you can find RT in any round of the draft. basically round 1 best player, then trade up to get the best player in a postion of need then follow your board the rest of the way

[tomson75]

Everything else you said is pointless.

YOU DONT DRAFT RG's, RT's or Centers with top 5 picks let alone top 10 or 15.

Good grief.........

I'll also be willing to be my house you dont see a OL period ranked as a top 5 selection come April. It's not that early in the college season to say that.

Holy ****balls batman....you do realize that you can draft a future LT and nurse him at RT for a number of years, right?

You do realize that you can trade down, right?

This whole "1st overall" crap is what's worthless in this discussion....if that's what you actually wanted to talk about, why the hell didn't you just start a thread asking who do you take? This guy? or this guy?

[jimmy40]

of corse we all know that the Boys can't even screw up the season right, we will end up 7-9 and get a mid round pick

[SilverStarCowboy]

Draft a WR.

[SDogo]

YOu most certainly do if there's a RG, RT, or Center worth a top 5 pick.


Never......

It's a horrible idea and RG's and RT's are not often picked at all in the 1st round for a reason.

Look back at the history of the draft and you will find that guards, centers and right tackles are rarely 1st round picks at all and if they are they were drafted as LT's and never panned out.

[CowboyMcCoy]

I take it back. I'd take a cornerback in the first. Then go OL throughout the remainder of the draft. That's how bad we're hurting here. It all starts up front.

[SDCowboy85]

Romo is 31, it would be foolish to expect him to play at the same high level much past 35
He realistically has 5-7 years left unless we continue to never fix the oline. Anyone we draft at 23-24 would then be at or near 30.

[Cover 2]

I'm wanting Andrew Luck so we can have an Aaron Rodgers situation.

[SDogo]

Holy ****balls batman....you do realize that you can draft a future LT and nurse him at RT for a number of years, right?

So you encourage drafting a LT and paying LT money for a future RG prospect? Ouch

You do realize that you can trade down, right?

Straight from the Jerry Jones text book on how to blow a draft

[CowboyMcCoy]

Terrence is getting old. We need to beef up the secondary and the Oline. Get a FA in trade and rid a back or two. They might be worth more during the offseason.

[locked&loaded]

yeah i'm stupid for not wanting to bet the future on getting lucky and finding another Romo :rolleyes:

Let's reach for the best OL even if there's not one there and screw our selves over for years to come once Romo is done

Yea lets not draft what we need now and plan for 6 years ahead. Where do you get off?

[wileedog]

I'm wanting Andrew Luck so we can have an Aaron Rodgers situation.

Aaron Rodgers friggin sucks this year because his offensive line still friggin sucks.

Why can't we learn this lesson?

[SDogo]

Yea lets not draft what we need now and plan for 6 years ahead. Where do you get off?

On the flip side........Larry Allen, Erik Williams........not exactly #1 picks.

It works both ways, aint that beautiful.

[Ren]

He realistically has 5-7 years left unless we continue to never fix the oline. Anyone we draft at 23-24 would then be at or near 30.


There's no way to tell how long he'll last, i'd much rather want some insurance there in case like so many others his play starts to seriously decline once he gets to 34-35 so we avoid another Banks, Leaf, Quincy, Hutch Vinny, Henson Bledsoe situation

[SDCowboy85]

There's no way to tell how long he'll last, i'd much rather want some insurance there in case like so many others his play starts to seriously decline once he gets to 34-35 so we avoid another Banks, Leaf, Quincy, Hutch Vinny, Henson Bledsoe situation

Great. Don't waste a 1st though on a player we hope won't see the field. If this team is never going to address the OL this team is never going anywhere.

[tomson75]

So you encourage drafting a LT and paying LT money for a future RG prospect? Ouch

Whooosh.

Did you take your meds tonight? Why don't you try reading that again and get back to me.

Straight from the Jerry Jones text book on how to blow a draft

Lmao.....I guess every other GM is insane for wanting to trade down from the top 5....something almost every single one of them desperately wants to do...every year. They must be fools.

[SilverStarCowboy]

Aaron Rodgers friggin sucks this year because his offensive line still friggin sucks.

Why can't we learn this lesson?


How anyone could see this any different after tonight is simply astounding.


Dallas not only has the stoopidest team in the NFL.


Chicken Fried Nation UNITE!

[locked&loaded]

On the flip side........Larry Allen, Erik Williams........not exactly #1 picks.

It works both ways, aint that beautiful.

Ya the draft may be a crap shoot. But if you are going to take a shot you may aswell take a shot at a position of need right now!

oline, mlb, safety.

[SDogo]

Lmao.....I guess every other GM is insane for wanting to trade down from the top 5....something almost every single one of them desperately wants to do...every year. They must be fools.

Yes, which is why you see the same teams picking in the top 5 every season.



whooosh

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I see you arent even from the united states. Obviously you are confusing our game of football with what we call futball.

Im glad I noticed that; because I was about to say if you were any more retarded we would have to put you in a home.

Remember when rodgers dropped to 24? You think you are some draft expert. No one knows where anyone will go. There hasnt been a senior bowl or combine. Do you enjoy paint chips?

poor guy... so you really are retarded. How does it feel? It's ok, **** happens. You stated that if Dallas has a 1st overall pick, they should draft a MLB, a Safety, or a Olineman. I then said TO NAME ONE PLAYER AT THAT POSITION WHO IS WORTH DRAFTING 1ST OVERALL. If you couldn't I said to ****. So please, ****. Do you enjoy not knowing how to spell? Do you sware?

[SDogo]

Ya the draft may be a crap shoot. But if you are going to take a shot you may aswell take a shot at a position of need right now!

oline, mlb, safety.


You need to do some research on this years prospects and get back to this topic at a later date.

[Ren]

Yea lets not draft what we need now and plan for 6 years ahead. Where do you get off?

obviously the draft for now and only now approach has worked out well for us in the past 3-4 years.

Our OL has been old for years but they where "good" so we didn't need to worry about it. Had we had a little more foresight and looked a little further down the road then just right now we probably ain't sitting here at 1-5 right now

[Picksix]

If we end up being the worst team in football, because our starting QB went down, then I don't think it matters who we take. I doubt we take another QB, but otherwise, whether it's a DB, LB, DE, OL, S, whatever...if he's the best player in the draft, we need him.

[tomson75]

Yes, which is why you see the same teams picking in the top 5 every season.



whooosh

Lmao....you really need some help here, don't you.

Fact is, its rare to see teams trade out of the top 5. Why? Because no one wants to trade into the top 5. Easy stuff here.

So, you were saying?

[locked&loaded]

poor guy... so you really are retarded. How does it feel? It's ok, **** happens. You stated that if Dallas has a 1st overall pick, they should draft a MLB, a Safety, or a Olineman. I then said TO NAME ONE PLAYER AT THAT POSITION WHO IS WORTH DRAFTING 1ST OVERALL. If you couldn't I said to ****. So please, ****. Do you enjoy not knowing how to spell? Do you sware?

I enjoy going to college while you rot at your factory job.

Why are you so concerned about drafting a position where the rest of the league will be accepting? We dont need a QB. We need a olineman, safety or mlb. It is hard to trade out of the first pick; so we should just hang our heads and take a qb? Who cares what the norm is at first pick. We need what we need. If we have the first pick we shouldnt ***** out.

[locked&loaded]

obviously the draft for now and only now approach has worked out well for us in the past 3-4 years.

Our OL has been old for years but they where "good" so we didn't need to worry about it. Had we had a little more foresight and looked a little further down the road then just right now we probably ain't sitting here at 1-5 right now

Romo scrambling for his life made the oline look good.

[Cover 2]

Aaron Rodgers friggin sucks this year because his offensive line still friggin sucks.

Why can't we learn this lesson?
So if we spend a 1st on a non-oline position, then that means that the oline is neglected? There are other picks besides the 1st round.

[locked&loaded]

Lmao....you really need some help here, don't you.

Fact is, its rare to see teams trade out of the top 5. Why? Because no one wants to trade into the top 5. Easy stuff here.

So, you were saying?

too true. These people claim to follow football?

[SDogo]

Lmao....you really need some help here, don't you.

Fact is, its rare to see teams trade out of the top 5. Why? Because no one wants to trade into the top 5. Easy stuff here.

So, you were saying?

Your the one that suggested trading down.

Teams like Dallas dont often pick in the top which is why when you have a chance to grab a top 5 player you do it.

You were saying?

[SDogo]

too true. These people claim to follow football?


You cant even answer a simple question and your judging:lmao2:

[locked&loaded]

You cant even answer a simple question and your judging:lmao2:

What question is that, giggles?

[Chocolate Lab]

Why isn't this in the draft zone?

[SDogo]

What question is that, giggles?

Name a prospect at RT, RG, S or Center that is worthy of the #1 selection.

Simple question

[tomson75]

Your the one that suggested trading down.

Teams like Dallas dont often pick in the top which is why when you have a chance to grab a top 5 player you do it.

You were saying?

At this point it doesn't even matter what I was saying....because you aren't getting it. You really aren't even close. Kind of sad, really. It's like I've stumbled into the "Meth Zone" or something.

[Ren]

Great. Don't waste a 1st though on a player we hope won't see the field. If this team is never going to address the OL this team is never going anywhere.

This team is a mess, it ain't going to get fixed in a year or 2 so if you get a chance to grab a QB for the future you take it rather then start reaching for OL if one is not there


We're going to get a front row seat to what a team without a QB looks like now, if you ain't got a QB it doesn't matter how good the rest of your O is

[UnoDallas]

Never......

It's a horrible idea and RG's and RT's are not often picked at all in the 1st round for a reason.

Look back at the history of the draft and you will find that guards, centers and right tackles are rarely 1st round picks at all and if they are they were drafted as LT's and never panned out.

Pouncy - C 18
Nic Mangold - C 29
Ben Grubbs G 29
Davin Joseph G - 23
Chris Spencer C - 26
L Mankins G -32
A Mack C - 21
E Wod C 28

[Chocolate Lab]

At this point it doesn't even matter what I was saying....because you aren't getting it. You really aren't even close. Kind of sad, really. It's like I've stumbled into the "Meth Zone" or something.

:laugh2:

[SDogo]

Why isn't this in the draft zone?

Because if it was certain people dont even know where that is at but find the need to debate the issue here.

[AKATheRake]

QB

Sorry but if we have the 1st pick you have to take the opportunity to grab a franchise QB when there is no top 5 talent in a area of need.

I agree, top 5 pick either LT or Franchise QB for this team. Free can go back to the right side and we solidify both of our bookends. Keep Gurode and let go of the rest. The draft and FA for some guards/centers and backup tackles.

[tomson75]

Why isn't this in the draft zone?

It shouldn't even be in there....it should be printed and handed to human behavioral scientists for study.

[SilverStarCowboy]

So if we spend a 1st on a non-oline position, then that means that the oline is neglected? There are other picks besides the 1st round.


Nope, it means the entire team was neglected.

[NyGiantz]

Cowboys aren't getting the number one pick, unless they trade for it. At some point they will pick it up and win some games. Probably something like 7-9

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I enjoy going to college while you rot at your factory job.

Why are you so concerned about drafting a position where the rest of the league will be accepting? We dont need a QB. We need a olineman, safety or mlb. It is hard to trade out of the first pick; so we should just hang our heads and take a qb? Who cares what the norm is at first pick. We need what we need. If we have the first pick we shouldnt ***** out.

actually I'm currently attending the University of Washington St, nice try though.
I agree that we don't need a QB. Which is why I said not to draft Luck first overall. I also understand that we need a olineman, a safety, or a MLB. We also need a corner. So why reach and take a olineman, safety, or MLB first overall when theres noone worthy of going 1st overall at those positions, and take a guy like Patrick Peterson, a CB when he IS worthy of going there? Thats my whole thing here. I was never for drafting a QB. But No MLB, Olineman, or Safety is worthy of going 1st overall, and there is a corner who is.

[locked&loaded]

Name a prospect at RT, RG, S or Center that is worthy of the #1 selection.

Simple question
Its not simple, but you are simple minded.
I already told you dim witted posters that no one knows who is going to come into their own by the end of the season. Who will be healthy, who will declare and who will prove themselves in the combine and senior bowl. Draft experts cant name who will be picked an hour before the draft, I am not nearly invested yet to say who I want to pick. It isnt clear.

The only thing that is clear is what the cowboys need. So when that day comes we should pick the best player for what we NEED. Is that hard?

[SDogo]

Pouncy - C 18
Nic Mangold - C 29
Ben Grubbs G 29
Davin Joseph G - 23
Chris Spencer C - 26
L Mankins G -32
A Mack C - 21
E Wod C 28


How many of those would you consider worthy of a 1st round pick looking back and seriously, that sample size over how many years and how many 1st round selections?

I mean really you just made my argument.

[SDogo]

Its not simple, but you are simple minded.
I already told you dim witted posters that no one knows who is going to come into their own by the end of the season. Who will be healthy, who will declare and who will prove themselves in the combine and senior bowl. Draft experts cant name who will be picked an hour before the draft, I am not nearly invested yet to say who I want to pick. It isnt clear.

The only thing that is clear is what the cowboys need. So when that day comes we should pick the best player for what we NEED. Is that hard?

duck, dodge, avoid..............good job

It also shows how very little you know about the draft process.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Name a prospect at RT, RG, S or Center that is worthy of the #1 selection.

Simple question


Don't bother. I asked him the same question and he just ignores it.

[SDogo]

Cowboys aren't getting the number one pick, unless they trade for it. At some point they will pick it up and win some games. Probably something like 7-9

This is the most incorrect post from this whole thread.

How the hell did you do it?:eek:

[Ren]

Romo scrambling for his life made the oline look good.

well there something we can agree on then

We ignored it thinking we where set to draft "wow" players for right now and look where it got us. You have to look more then a few years down the road or you end up where we are now.

If you have a 30+ QB and you get a chance to draft a franchise QB for the future you take it.

[SDogo]

Don't bother. I asked him the same question and he just ignores it.

He did again...........

[tomson75]

Cowboys aren't getting the number one pick, unless they trade for it. At some point they will pick it up and win some games. Probably something like 7-9

Probably...although I'd guess more like 5-6 games now that Romo is out.

....but please, don't interrupt this thread with rational thinking. We're getting the FIRST PICK OF THE DRAFT!!!ii!!1! Don't deny it!!! WHO DO WE PICK???CC?C?Cc JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!! BUT ONLY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME!!!11!!!!

[Cover 2]

Nope, it means the entire team was neglected.
Romo's got 3-4 years left at his current level of play IMO. Draft Luck now and sit him on the bench. Then when Romo starts to decline you start Luck, and trade Romo off. If you're lucky you can get a couple of 2nd round picks. Romo is my favorite player, but IMO this is what would be best for the team.

Luck 1st overall, and then Wisneiski (c/g) in the 2nd, and go oline for the rest of the draft as far as I care.

[locked&loaded]

actually I'm currently attending the University of Washington St, nice try though.
I agree that we don't need a QB. Which is why I said not to draft Luck first overall. I also understand that we need a olineman, a safety, or a MLB. We also need a corner. So why reach and take a olineman, safety, or MLB first overall when theres noone worthy of going 1st overall at those positions, and take a guy like Patrick Peterson, a CB when he IS worthy of going there? Thats my whole thing here. I was never for drafting a QB. But No MLB, Olineman, or Safety is worthy of going 1st overall, and there is a corner who is.

It was an excellent try. I sware you said something about QB.But maybe it was your fierce attack of my rightness as far as QB, MLB, and S goes.

Newman has 2 years left and Jenkins isnt awful. Scandric is scary, I know. But its partly because our Safeties blow and we get no pressure. Especially on ILB blitzes. No corner can cover consistently for 4+ seconds game in and game out. Now this could be all Failips fault; but I know our ILB also suck.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

He did again...........


LOL. Guy thinks that the whole process is a surprise and that nobody has a clue where ANYBODY will go till the actually names are called. Woah.

[tomson75]

This is the most incorrect post from this whole thread.

How the hell did you do it?:eek:

Now it's this one^^^. Although your others are still pretty wrong.

At least you've beaten yourself!

...and you have something to look forward to with your next post. I have faith in you!

[locked&loaded]

well there something we can agree on then

We ignored it thinking we where set to draft "wow" players for right now and look where it got us. You have to look more then a few years down the road or you end up where we are now.

If you have a 30+ QB and you get a chance to draft a franchise QB for the future you take it.

Wrong, he has 5 years left more than likely. Even you can agree on that, right? Lets win now. I dont want to wait 5 more years. If we draft a qb now he will be almost 30 again before he plays and we will be looking for a top qb to groom in 3 years again. Is this to hard to understand?

[locked&loaded]

He did again...........

Tell us the whole draft now Mel Kiper Genius. You obviously do not pay attention to the draft and how players fall and jump before it.

[Cover 2]

Wrong, he has 5 years left more than likely. Even you can agree on that, right? Lets win now. I dont want to wait 5 more years. If we draft a qb now he will be almost 30 again before he plays and we will be looking for a top qb to groom in 3 years again. Is this to hard to understand?
Then what when Romo starts to decline? 10-15 years of Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Ryan Leaf, etc?

[CanuckCowboysFan]

It was an excellent try. I sware you said something about QB.But maybe it was your fierce attack of my rightness as far as QB, MLB, and S goes.

Newman has 2 years left and Jenkins isnt awful. Scandric is scary, I know. But its partly because our Safeties blow and we get no pressure. Especially on ILB blitzes. No corner can cover consistently for 4+ seconds game in and game out. Now this could be all Failips fault; but I know our ILB also suck.


Nope. Go to the very first page near the top and you'll see I want no part of a QB 1st overall.

[SDogo]

It was an excellent try. I sware you said something about QB.But maybe it was your fierce attack of my rightness as far as QB, MLB, and S goes.

Newman has 2 years left and Jenkins isnt awful. Scandric is scary, I know. But its partly because our Safeties blow and we get no pressure. Especially on ILB blitzes. No corner can cover consistently for 4+ seconds game in and game out. Now this could be all Failips fault; but I know our ILB also suck.

Problem is NO ONE is disagreeing with your positions of need. Just the value of where were might be picking and whats available.

If there was a stud ILB in this years class I would be all for it but even with possible JR's declaring it's just not there.

There might be 1 OT with top 5-10 talent this year.

Strength of this years class in the top 10 lies in the QB's, CB's and DE's

[SDogo]

Tell us the whole draft now Mel Kiper Genius. You obviously do not pay attention to the draft and how players fall and jump before it.

not at all, you got me.........

[Double Trouble]

The Cowboys have shown us that they have a lot of holes. It isn't just the OL. Realistically, Dallas could use a player at OL, anywhere in the front 7 on D, a CB, or a QB. I'd only be opposed to safety, as few ever provide enough impact to warrant that high of a pick, RB, where you can find a good one all through the draft, and WR, because we've put enough into that position as it is.

As someone said earlier in the thread, if you have a high pick and there's one there you really like, you have to go QB. If you're that high and think a franchise QB is there, the only way you can pass on him is if you think there's truly an elite player at another position, not just the ordinary highly rated, good prospect. Not a shot at Romo at all, but he'll probably be 31 years old the next time he takes the field. I'd rather be proactive at the most important position than sit around and wait until we have no choice as to making a move at the position.

It won't give everyone the instant gratification of getting a guy who starts day one, but the reality is, this team is more than one player away. They need several guys. A handful of starters, and also those role players, guys who can do one thing for you very well (like cover kicks).

[SDogo]

Now it's this one^^^. Although your others are still pretty wrong.

At least you've beaten yourself!

Believe JR.............keep believing

[locked&loaded]

Then what when Romo starts to decline? 10-15 years of Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Ryan Leaf, etc?

You dont need the best qb ever to win. All these guys can make almost every throw. The issue is if they can get time. This is why we need linemen.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Who is prince amukamara? Nfldraftcontdown has him as the #2 prospect. I take it Peterson is a junior since he isn't on the list. Is Peterson mch better than prince?

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Problem is NO ONE is disagreeing with your positions of need. Just the value of where were might be picking and whats available.

If there was a stud ILB in this years class I would be all for it but even with possible JR's declaring it's just not there.

There might be 1 OT with top 5-10 talent this year.

Strength of this years class in the top 10 lies in the QB's, CB's and DE's

exactly.... I agree we need a S,MLB, and Lineman. But like I said, no players at those positions are worthy of going 1st, and there is a player at another position of need for us who is ( a corner )

[Cover 2]

You dont need the best qb ever to win. All these guys can make almost every throw. The issue is if they can get time. This is why we need linemen.
You can still get olinemen without spending a 1st round pick on them. Look at Peyton Manning. He makes his oline better than they actually are. I believe he had 2 UDFA's starting on the line, but was still able to make it work.

[Cover 2]

Who is prince amukamara? Nfldraftcontdown has him as the #2 prospect. I take it Peterson is a junior since he isn't on the list. Is Peterson mch better than prince?
I think Prince is overrated to be honest. I just watched him get torched by Blackmon in the Nebraska-OK State game. I know a lot of people are really high on him, but I just don't see it.

[Chocolate Lab]

You can still get olinemen without spending a 1st round pick on them. Look at Peyton Manning. He makes his oline better than they actually are. I believe he had 2 UDFA's starting on the line, but was still able to make it work.

I bet their OL coach didn't fall asleep in meetings, either.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Who is prince amukamara? Nfldraftcontdown has him as the #2 prospect. I take it Peterson is a junior since he isn't on the list. Is Peterson mch better than prince?

Yes he is. In my honest opinion, I think Peterson can have the same impact that a Revis or Asomugha has in the league his first year.

Prince is good, but Peterson is on a whole nother' level.

[SDogo]

Who is prince amukamara? Nfldraftcontdown has him as the #2 prospect. I take it Peterson is a junior since he isn't on the list. Is Peterson mch better than prince?

I believe if he declared now he would already be one of the top 3 prospects and rated over Prince.

[Cover 2]

I bet their OL coach didn't fall asleep in meetings, either.
That's just embarrassing :o:

[locked&loaded]

You can still get olinemen without spending a 1st round pick on them. Look at Peyton Manning. He makes his oline better than they actually are. I believe he had 2 UDFA's starting on the line, but was still able to make it work.

Same with any position...

[TheDallasDon]

The only thing that is clear is what the cowboys need. So when that day comes we should pick the best player for what we NEED. Is that hard?



Ahhhh U never draft for need that can hurt u every draft its BPA always so I say no way u pass on P.Peterson or A.Luck we don't have many chance 2 get guys like this.............................................. ..............buy ur thinking we draft a OT or OG that is 17-29 on are board over these guys is:laugh2: :laugh2:

[UnoDallas]

Same with any position...
Gabe Carimi/OT/Wisconsin: The Badger has shut down top defensive talent in consecutive games and deservedly is watching his draft stock rise. Iowa's talented defensive line registered just a single sack during Wisconsin's victory Saturday. The previous weekend saw Carimi help hold top 10 prospect Cameron Heyward and the rest of the Ohio State defense sackless. The senior draws a variety of opinions in the scouting community but these two contests will be looked upon as statement games and should secure him a place late in round one

trade down get a high 2nd pick an get this guy as a RT

[Cover 2]

Same with any position...
Elite quarterbacks are hard to find. Andrew Luck will be an elite QB IMO. That's why they should grab him. I'd rather have a solid left tackle and great quarterback as opposed to the reverse of that.

I'm a huge Romo fan, but time is not on his side. Sit Luck for three years, and then trade Romo after that.

[Cover 2]

Gabe Carimi/OT/Wisconsin: The Badger has shut down top defensive talent in consecutive games and deservedly is watching his draft stock rise. Iowa's talented defensive line registered just a single sack during Wisconsin's victory Saturday. The previous weekend saw Carimi help hold top 10 prospect Cameron Heyward and the rest of the Ohio State defense sackless. The senior draws a variety of opinions in the scouting community but these two contests will be looked upon as statement games and should secure him a place late in round one

trade down get a high 2nd pick an get this guy as a RT
There's a chance we'll have a shot at him with our 2nd round pick.

[locked&loaded]

Elite quarterbacks are hard to find. Andrew Luck will be an elite QB IMO. That's why they should grab him. I'd rather have a solid left tackle and great quarterback as opposed to the reverse of that.

I'm a huge Romo fan, but time is not on his side. Sit Luck for three years, and then trade Romo after that.

You act like drafting ANY top qb is a sure thing. Not true. Lets draft some players we need and think about qb in 2 or 3 years.

[locked&loaded]

Ahhhh U never draft for need that can hurt u every draft its BPA always so I say no way u pass on P.Peterson or A.Luck we don't have many chance 2 get guys like this.............................................. ..............buy ur thinking we draft a OT or OG that is 17-29 on are board over these guys is:laugh2: :laugh2:

First I said lineman, ILB or safety. Youre thinking that those guys are forsure cant misses is :bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2:: bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2: times a sidways 8

[TheDallasDon]

First I said lineman, ILB or safety. Youre thinking that those guys are forsure cant misses is :bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2:: bang2::bang2::bang2::bang2: times a sidways 8


No Player is EVERY a LOCK and I never said that all I said is U DON'T REACH how can u not get that:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

[SDogo]

Gabe Carimi/OT/Wisconsin: The Badger has shut down top defensive talent in consecutive games and deservedly is watching his draft stock rise. Iowa's talented defensive line registered just a single sack during Wisconsin's victory Saturday. The previous weekend saw Carimi help hold top 10 prospect Cameron Heyward and the rest of the Ohio State defense sackless. The senior draws a variety of opinions in the scouting community but these two contests will be looked upon as statement games and should secure him a place late in round one

trade down get a high 2nd pick an get this guy as a RT

Nice choice.....I think he actually finds his way into round 1 based on the lack of depth at OT in this years class

[UnoDallas]

There's a chance we'll have a shot at him with our 2nd round pick.

I think we may need to trade up - but I seen him as low as 3 rder

so who knows

but hes big an nastey

just the way I like my RT to be

[locked&loaded]

No Player is EVERY a LOCK and I never said that all I said is U DON'T REACH how can u not get that:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

So lets take a player we dont need for fear of reaching? Are you worried what others will think. Get out of here.

[SDogo]

I think we may need to trade up - but I seen him as low as 3 rder

so who knows

but hes big an nastey

just the way I like my RT to be


I think your setting the market way too low on him. He is already moving up a lot of draft boards.

[UnoDallas]

Nice choice.....I think he actually finds his way into round 1 based on the lack of depth at OT in this years class

ah well just a little trade up

[GloryDaysRBack]

Can I get some CZ scouting reports on Peterson? Pros cons ect....thx

[TheDallasDon]

So lets take a player we dont need for fear of reaching? Are you worried what others will think. Get out of here.



So let me get this right u don't think any 1 can be upgraded??? u think reaching for need is a must??? u think u don't draft Qb until its a need then u start him right away and he's not top talent??? and u make a point that I care wut people think???


I'll answer the last 1, NO!!! I want 2 get better and NEVER does reaching for a need make teams better thats wut keeps teams always LOSING.

U sir are a IDIOT

[locked&loaded]

So let me get this right u don't think any 1 can be upgraded??? u think reaching for need is a must??? u think u don't draft Qb until its a need then u start him right away and he's not top talent??? and u make a point that I care wut people think???


I'll answer the last 1, NO!!! I want 2 get better and NEVER does reaching for a need make teams better thats wut keeps teams always LOSING.

U sir are a IDIOT

Your intellect is obviously far superior than mine. :banghead:

I am sure there will be a lineman worthy of a top 5 or so pick come this April. You are truly putting words in my mouth, I said there is no need to pick a Qb this year. Why draft a Qb that will sit for probably 6 years. You act like possible "top" qbs only come around once every 100 years. Every 2-3 years there are qbs that look like franchise quarterbacks. Why take one now when we can take one in a few years?

If I am and idiot you are a backwater inbred that experienced fetal alcohol syndrome.

[UnoDallas]

Can I get some CZ scouting reports on Peterson? Pros cons ect....thx

your kidding me right Glory

go to the draft page

[GloryDaysRBack]

your kidding me right Glory

go to the draft page

Kidding for what? Do you really care if I want the opinions of other fans on a prospect?

[TheDallasDon]

Your intellect is obviously far superior than mine. :banghead:

I am sure there will be a lineman worthy of a top 5 or so pick come this April. You are truly putting words in my mouth, I said there is no need to pick a Qb this year. Why draft a Qb that will sit for probably 6 years. You act like possible "top" qbs only come around once every 100 years. Every 2-3 years there are qbs that look like franchise quarterbacks. Why take one now when we can take one in a few years?

If I am and idiot you are a backwater inbred that experienced fetal alcohol syndrome.


No agian u don't get what I'm say YES there is going 2 be "Franchise QB" in the FUTURE but what make u think we will be in the right postion 2 draft 1???

Also I don't Know how the FO will rank the board but if no OL is worth picking there then u don't draft them is all I'm saying

[locked&loaded]

No agian u don't get what I'm say YES there is going 2 be "Franchise QB" in the FUTURE but what make u think we will be in the right postion 2 draft 1???

Also I don't Know how the FO will rank the board but if no OL is worth picking there then u don't draft them is all I'm saying

I said lineman, safety or ILB; but way to bail after I owned you.

If we get a "franchise" qb now he will set for half a decade at least.

Also if we put together a good team now we can always trade up or groom a second rounder etc rounder. Lets win with romo now. Not stand pat. Come on, you can agree with that cant you?

[UnoDallas]

Kidding for what? Do you really care if I want the opinions of other fans on a prospect?

I mean in here theres so to mush squabbling going on

[TheDallasDon]

I said lineman, safety or ILB; but way to bail after I owned you.

If we get a "franchise" qb now he will set for half a decade at least.

Also if we put together a good team now we can always trade up or groom a second rounder etc rounder. Lets win with romo now. Not stand pat. Come on, you can agree with that cant you?


Yes and No I don't know how long this "Core" will last thats why I said Draft P.Peterson or A.Luck becuase Why build for 1 SB when we can build for a DYNASTY!!!!!!!!!

We need 2 have a QB ready and trade Romo before he declines ala B.Farve, so if we draft Luck sit him for 3yrs then trade Romo


First u never "Owned" me for me 2 back away, second I said draft by the Board every time and all I SAID is "P.Peterson or A.Luck are the Top prospects Right NOW on MY!!!!!!!!!!! board not the Cowboys


Edit: and P.Peterson can Play S or CB so thats 1 of the 1 u said so u most not even read my post

[Randy White]

If you idiots havent learned anyting from romo you dont have to go number 1 pick overall for a good qb. Take notes from the jets building their oline.

Here's a counter argument:

http://www.jetsandmets.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/vinylmagnet-49ers.jpg


and I'm a HUGE fan of both of their #1 picks this year: Anthony and Iupati. And although I thought it was stupid at the time, giving up what turned out to be the 7th pick of the 2008 draft for a 1st round pick in 2007 who turned out to be Joe Staley, has worked out so far.

Still, three #1 picks in an O-line and they still haven't won a game.

[Cover 2]

You act like drafting ANY top qb is a sure thing. Not true. Lets draft some players we need and think about qb in 2 or 3 years.
You're right. But then again Andrew Luck isn't just any quarterback either.

[Cover 2]

Here's a counter argument:

http://www.jetsandmets.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/vinylmagnet-49ers.jpg (http://www.jetsandmets.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/vinylmagnet-49ers.jpg)


and I'm a HUGE fan of both of their #1 picks this year: Anthony and Iupati. And although I thought it was stupid at the time, giving up what turned out to be the 7th pick of the 2008 draft for a 1st round pick in 2007 who turned out to be Joe Staley, has worked out so far.

Still, three #1 picks in an O-line and they still haven't won a game.
Plus Anthony Davis just got their quarterback knocked out of the game, and Joe Staley has had a down year. Those high picks on oline aren't turning out for them.

Good example.

[Randy White]

I'll also be willing to be my house you dont see a OL period ranked as a top 5 selection come April. It's not that early in the college season to say that.


Some people, for some reason, don't understand that concept. Yes, O-linemen move around all over the place before the draft, just look at Iupati, but you're NOT going to see none top 10 LTs all of the sudden move into the top 10 and LTs is the only position along the line that gets picked that high.

[Randy White]

YOu most certainly do if there's a RG, RT, or Center worth a top 5 pick.


There isn't a John Hannah in this year's draft.

[Clove]

If you have a 1st overall pick and there is a stud QB there and you pass him by, good luck. Quarterbacks are the hardest yet most valuable position you can draft, you don't let those slip by unless you have a young stud on your team or a Super Bowl winning QB on your team that's not too old.

You then draft a Tackle in the 2nd (which is the equivalent of a late 1st round pick) , guard in the third, pick up 2 star players in Free Agency at either Safety or OLine, or ILB.

If there are no stud Quarterbacks at 1 or 2, then you go elsewhere.

Jerry became cheap last year because he thought his team was studly and basically abandoned Free Agency and thought his genius self could get by with a band-aid at the safety position, offensive line, and coaching staff.

[Randy White]

The only thing that is clear is what the cowboys need. So when that day comes we should pick the best player for what we NEED. Is that hard?


Yes, it is and here's why:

Entering this year's draft, the Cowboys needed help at Safety and O-line. However as their turn to select a player came near, there was this one special player that kept slidding. The Cowboys, wisely, grabbed the opportunity to select that special player who happened to be the best at his position entering the draft, and made the move.

You know that special player as wide receiver Dez Bryant..

One of the very few bright spots in last night's disaster.

Now, imagine if the Dallas Cowboys back in April of this month would have followed your advice..

[ConstantReboot]

This has become a silly thread when people start wanting to draft and QB with our first pick.

[TheCoolFan]

1st rounder - If Peterson's there, take him. If not, best offensive lineman available
2nd rounder - If Peterson was taken with #1, then go w/ OL. If OL was taken with #1 then go with safety
3rd rounder - Nose tackle
4th rounder - Offensive lineman
5th rounder - Offensive lineman
6th rounder - Defensive lineman
7th rounder - Defensive lineman

Getting stronger in the trenches! I believe Peterson is the only truly elite CB prospect, which is why he's a guy you can't pass up. If he's gone though, just move Ball back to CB and then take a FS with your 2nd.

[Randy White]

[QUOTE=Clove;3649474]If you have a 1st overall pick and there is a stud QB there and you pass him by, good luck. Quarterbacks are the hardest yet most valuable position you can draft, you don't let those slip by unless you have a young stud on your team or a Super Bowl winning QB on your team that's not too old.

Two names:

JaMarcus Russell - lose
Joe Thomas - win

Two more names:

Jake Long - win
Matt Ryan - win


Of course, you can alway counter with:

Troy Aikman - win
Tony Mandarich - lose

[dboy214]

do whatever it takes to get Peterson here. that dude is a stud.

[Randy White]

1st rounder - If Peterson's there, take him. If not, best offensive lineman available

If Peterson is not there, then you go with the best player available. I suspect that altough he won't the #1 pick, the best player available at that time would be Robert Quinn..

and I don't care if he plays the same position as Anthony Spencer. Quinn might be the best defensive player in a draft that's full of DEs.

[cowboyjoe]

QB

Sorry but if we have the 1st pick you have to take the opportunity to grab a franchise QB when there is no top 5 talent in a area of need.

I agree with that, but I would do this, the patriots have 2 first round draft choices. From what someone told me,they are looking heavy at alabama rb. If you have first overall choice, see if you can trade down 2 to 4 spots, pick up those 2 extra number ones.

Granted, raiders are doing pretty good right now, but things still might change and raiders have a top 10 pick.

Which is the patriots pick next year.

WE need OT, OG and possibly center. Costa didnt look to bad last night to me, since he mostly has played center and cowboys hadhim at OG.

WE might have a center there in costa in time to take over for gurode

That would leave you with a need for top ROT, a dominant player and a top OG. I would also go after mankins, someone said he would be unrestricted next year. Leonard Davis needs to go, and Kosier keeps getting hurt.

If you could get 2 first rounders, you can get some good players, and still get some good players in 2nd to 4th rounders if season is real bad this year, and you have top picks in each round of the draft.

[The Natural]

Olineman or safety

This..with o-line having the higher priority.

We should try moving Spencer in the offseason, he's been ****

[Oh_Canada]

Sign Mankins and Sanders

Draft two or three corners/safeties, another olineman and a few dlineman....nothing else.

[Romo 2 Austin]

If we get the #1 pick, trade down to around #4 and draft Peterson and enjoy having a free 2nd rounder lol

[Oh_Canada]

This..with o-line having the higher priority.

We should try moving Spencer in the offseason, he's been ****

Spencer has been crap, but I still think with the right head coach you will see better production out of this guy. Having said that I wouldn't be opposed to trading virtually anyone off the roster not named Bryant, Romo and Ratliff (though he needs to be moved outside in the 3-4).

[Romo 2 Austin]

Spencer has been crap, but I still think with the right head coach you will see better production out of this guy. Having said that I wouldn't be opposed to trading virtually anyone off the roster not named Bryant, Romo and Ratliff (though he needs to be moved outside in the 3-4).
What a weird list lol.



Ware the best defensive player in the league, but you pick Ratliff. We are a losing franchise with a 31 year old QB, Bryant is understandable though.




Miles, Bryant, Ware. Untoucheables.

[JBell523]

If the cowboys draft a LB or DE in the first round I'll blow dallas up.



Say it with me now...

OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.

What he said.

We can no longer neglect the OL position after this year. It's aging, slow, and lazy.

We suck at drafting OL but I'll take our chances with a top 10 prospect.

[Oh_Canada]

What a weird list lol.



Ware the best defensive player in the league, but you pick Ratliff. We are a losing franchise with a 31 year old QB, Bryant is understandable though.




Miles, Bryant, Ware. Untoucheables.


I understand why you would think that, but 31 years old or not, it's hard to find good QB's.

I probably wouldn't trade Ware, but if this team moves to the 4-3, I would. Frankly, he seems to disappear far too easily in the middle of games for my liking.

Austin seems to be allowing the Hollywood lifestyle to creep into his play. This team needs less Hollywood and more South central.

[The Natural]

Spencer has been crap, but I still think with the right head coach you will see better production out of this guy. Having said that I wouldn't be opposed to trading virtually anyone off the roster not named Bryant, Romo and Ratliff (though he needs to be moved outside in the 3-4).

You may be right. Either way I think we need to find a way to secure 2 first round picks. Im warming to the idea of Patrick Peterson + OL Combo.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I understand why you would think that, but 31 years old or not, it's hard to find good QB's.

I probably wouldn't trade Ware, but if this team moves to the 4-3, I would. Frankly, he seems to disappear far too easily in the middle of games for my liking.

Austin seems to be allowing the Hollywood lifestyle to creep into his play. This team needs less Hollywood and more South central.
Ware is the best pass rusher in the league by a mile. If the coach we bring in wants to move to something that is not suited to Ware, then they are not the coach we should be getting lol.

Austin, is having a slump, if he can fix the drops hes having 100 yard, 1 td games every week. Hes got everything down but the polished catching, that will come in time.

[dreghorn2]

Funny thread.

My opinion is, if you trust your talent evaluators and they tell you that you can draft a 'franchise' quarterback then you do it, no matter what.

If the guy is as good as rated you will have lots of options later.

QB always first.

If there is any doubt then all bets are off. Tackles (off. and def.), ends, corners, linebackers, any 5 star studs in these categories are just fine thanks.

[Oh_Canada]

Ware is the best pass rusher in the league by a mile. If the coach we bring in wants to move to something that is not suited to Ware, then they are not the coach we should be getting lol.

Austin, is having a slump, if he can fix the drops hes having 100 yard, 1 td games every week. Hes got everything down but the polished catching, that will come in time.

Ware is not miles better than Matthews in GB...no way no how.

He isn't better than Lamar Woodley.

He isn't that much better than Osi.

He is good...most times very good, but he does disappear quite a bit.

[tomson75]

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more asinine....

[The Natural]

Funny thread.

My opinion is, if you trust your talent evaluators and they tell you that you can draft a 'franchise' quarterback then you do it, no matter what.

If the guy is as good as rated you will have lots of options later.

QB always first.

If there is any doubt then all bets are off. Tackles (off. and def.), ends, corners, linebackers, any 5 star studs in these categories are just fine thanks.

There's no way I'd take a QB with franchise Defensive players still on the board that can be impact now players.

[IheartRomo]

Ware is not miles better than Matthews in GB...no way no how.

He isn't better than Lamar Woodley.

He isn't that much better than Osi.

He is good...most times very good, but he does disappear quite a bit.

Wow....Don't really know how to respond to a post like this.

[Oh_Canada]

There's no way I'd take a QB with franchise Defensive players still on the board that can be impact now players.

Agreed...Romo still has three good years left...you can draft a guy in the middle rounds and hope he develops...but this team is close enough that if they don't change schemes and turnover there entire defense they could still come back to compete.

[newlander]

Oh Canada is right....Ware was non EXISTENT last night until the 4th quarter. You guys are blind because you love the guy. So do I, but he didn't play well last night: at all.

[zrinkill]

this team has so many holes they would need 10 #1 picks to even come close to fixing them

the cowboys best chance is to have no football next year

I wish you people would just shut up with this nonsense.

[Oh_Canada]

Wow....Don't really know how to respond to a post like this.

What? Are you saying he is far better than those guys? Really, have you ever see anyone outside of guys with stars on there helmets play? Those guys are just as good as Ware.

All I am saying is that Ware is slightly overrated. Good football player, just doesn't have the mindset to take over games.

[zrinkill]

Ware is not miles better than Matthews in GB...no way no how.

He isn't better than Lamar Woodley.

He isn't that much better than Osi.

He is good...most times very good, but he does disappear quite a bit.

:laugh2:

Unbelievable ....

[dreghorn2]

Agreed...Romo still has three good years left...you can draft a guy in the middle rounds and hope he develops...but this team is close enough that if they don't change schemes and turnover there entire defense they could still come back to compete.

Agree to disagree on the QB thing.

I don't think we draft that high anyway, just speculation.

[The Natural]

I wish you people would just shut up with this nonsense.

How far off is he really. We have major holes in our secondary..Jenkins & Newman are our only 2 capable corners (we dont know what we have in AOA yet as a CB or S). Church is the only Safety that's shown any promise, but again..we dont know exactly what we have in him.

Spencer is garbage..Victor & B.W. get no playing time so we dont know how good they can be at OLB. Another DE wouldn't hurt, and our ILB play has been average at best.

On offense our glaring needs are about 2-3 spots on the OL.

So there you have CB, S, LB?, and OL..can we fix that all in one draft.

[Randy White]

WE need OT, OG and possibly center. Costa didnt look to bad last night to me, since he mostly has played center and cowboys hadhim at OG.

WE might have a center there in costa in time to take over for gurode. That would leave you with a need for top ROT, a dominant player and a top OG. I would also go after mankins, someone said he would be unrestricted next year. Leonard Davis needs to go, and Kosier keeps getting hurt.

If you could get 2 first rounders, you can get some good players, and still get some good players in 2nd to 4th rounders if season is real bad this year, and you have top picks in each round of the draft.


Look at the current roster and how it's set up. Getting someone like Mankins with Davis and Columbo's money ( after they're cut ) is a great idea and absolutely the path this team should take.

Trading a top 10, or top 5 pick, for two #1 draft choices and proceed to draft 2 O-lineman in this draft is NOT the path they should take. You mentioned Costa not playing bad. I'd say he did better than that. We still have Sam Young and Robert Brewster, plust Travis Bright, who we are developing. Spending two #1 picks on O-lineman in this draft in particular would only add to the gluttony of developmental players we already have.

You want to know why I mentioned Robert Quinn above ? It was because my first idea was to check out Anthony Castonzo, BC's starting LT. I, like you, thought of the Patriots and the possibility of moving down and even though we would be out of Patrick Peterson's range, we could pick somebody like Castonzo and CB Ras-I Dowling, for example, or another DB who might have made a late move into those range. Well, I saw films on Castonzo. I like him, I think in time he could be a terrific LT as he gets stronger. He's mean and he competes. BUT he's not ready to start in the NFL next year. Quinn got the best of him the majority of the time, although Castonzo did get his shots in and also looking at the FSU game, it showed that Castonzo has problems with speed rushers and upper body strength at this time.

We already have two of those developmental tackles. We don't need a 3rd one.

If the Cowboys end up with a top 10 pick, they must select a player who's going to go in that range, regardless of need ( unless is a QB, WR, or TE ). As it so happen, and as of right now, they could get a very good one that's not any of those 3 positions ( wether it's Peterson or Quinn or even Karrigan ). They cannot pass on a possible impact player for the sake of need.

On a side note: I'd stay away from 1 player who, imo, is way overhyped: Nebraska's CB Prince Amukamara. I'm a Husker fan and I can tell you that Amukamara is not as good as advertized ( OSU proved it this past week ). He's a former RB turned CB who's not too flexible. He's fast and has excellent size, but he's too stiff for the position.

I might consider him a late 1st rounder, but would prefere a 2nd round pick instead.

[Randy White]

Ware is not miles better than Matthews in GB...no way no how. He isn't better than Lamar Woodley. He isn't that much better than Osi. He is good...most times very good, but he does disappear quite a bit.


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[cowboyjoe]

Ware is not miles better than Matthews in GB...no way no how.

He isn't better than Lamar Woodley.

He isn't that much better than Osi.

He is good...most times very good, but he does disappear quite a bit.

ware disappears because spencer isnt doing his job on other side, and wade has ware covering passes downfield sometimes. Thats why I have never liked the 3-4. I like the 4-3 defense, you have 4 linemen on line. Not 3 like cowboys have, because as you can see most of time our linebackers are not making the plays.

why, to me its lack of intensity from head coach which reflects on defense somewhat.

example, look at jets defense, intensity all the way

[casmith07]

Safety, Cornerback, or Offensive Tackle.

[tomson75]

Look at the current roster and how it's set up. Getting someone like Mankins with Davis and Columbo's money ( after they're cut ) is a great idea and absolutely the path this team should take.

Trading a top 10, or top 5 pick, for two #1 draft choices and proceed to draft 2 O-lineman in this draft is NOT the path they should take. You mentioned Costa not playing bad. I'd say he did better than that. We still have Sam Young and Robert Brewster, plust Travis Bright, who we are developing. Spending two #1 picks on O-lineman in this draft in particular would only add to the gluttony of developmental players we already have.

You want to know why I mentioned Robert Quinn above ? It was because my first idea was to check out Anthony Castonzo, BC's starting LT. I, like you, thought of the Patriots and the possibility of moving down and even though we would be out of Patrick Peterson's range, we could pick somebody like Castonzo and CB Ras-I Dowling, for example, or another DB who might have made a late move into those range. Well, I saw films on Castonzo. I like him, I think in time he could be a terrific LT as he gets stronger. He's mean and he competes. BUT he's not ready to start in the NFL next year. Quinn got the best of him the majority of the time, although Castonzo did get his shots in and also looking at the FSU game, it showed that Castonzo has problems with speed rushers and upper body strength at this time.

We already have two of those developmental tackles. We don't need a 3rd one.

If the Cowboys end up with a top 10 pick, they must select a player who's going to go in that range, regardless of need ( unless is a QB, WR, or TE ). As it so happen, and as of right now, they could get a very good one that's not any of those 3 positions ( wether it's Peterson or Quinn or even Karrigan ). They cannot pass on a possible impact player for the sake of need.

On a side note: I'd stay away from 1 player who, imo, is way overhyped: Nebraska's CB Prince Amukamara. I'm a Husker fan and I can tell you that Amukamara is not as good as advertized ( OSU proved it this past week ). He's a former RB turned CB who's not too flexible. He's fast and has excellent size, but he's too stiff for the position. Jenkins hasn't shown much when it comes to coverage.

I might consider him a late 1st rounder, but would prefere a 2nd round pick instead.

Interesting that you liked what you saw from Costa last night....I've read where other good posters said that he was pretty bad.

....but yeah, I think we really need at least one proven player to add to the OL mix. Even then, I'd still use high picks up front.

[InmanRoshi]

He realistically has 5-7 years left unless we continue to never fix the oline. Anyone we draft at 23-24 would then be at or near 30.

And you got a Top 5 pick making Top 5 money sitting on the bench his entire rookie contract.

Drafting a QB would take a staggering degree of stupidity.

[aikemirv]

Get Mankins in FA and you draft Patrick Petersen.

Davis is the weak link you start with replacing him first. Second round you take another G. Gurode is Ok if have have quality around him but bad if you don't.

No way you draft a QB, you trade down for WHATEVER you can get and take Petersen.

[casmith07]

Get Mankins in FA and you draft Patrick Peterson.

Davis is the weak link you start with replacing him first. Second round you take another G. Gurode is Ok if have have quality around him but bad if you don't.

No way you draft a QB, you trade down for WHATEVER you can get and take Petersen.

Those are the first two moves I would make if I were GM. Davis would be gone, Mankins in, and Peterson would be my #1 rated player in the draft no matter what pick we end up with.

[Avery]

First, you should pray that Dallas doesn't get #1 as we would be paying a rookie an insane amount of money.

A #5-#10 pick would be much better as well as address our needs. CB is definitely one and being able to potentialy snag Patterson or Amukamara to pair with Jenkins gives us a 1-2 punch for the future. This is not shaping up to be a strong OT draft and anyone in that range may be a reach. Safety? Sure, but not that high. QB? Please, we can't pay someone millions of dollars and half their contract to hold a clipboard.

Ideally, we snag one of the two CB studs. If that doesn't happen, trade down into the low teens to take Marcus Cannon from TCU and Mark Barron from Bama. You address two positions of need with two studs.

[Wood]

LB? DE?

Whats your flavor?

you take franchise QB if available. let him watch Romo for year then trade Romo away. I know Tony numbers are up this year and offensive line has issues...but Romo mentally regressed this year. 2nd and 3rd round picks I would go OL and LB. Use FA to address safety.

[InmanRoshi]

you take franchise QB if available. let him watch Romo for year then trade Romo away. I know Tony numbers are up this year and offensive line has issues...but Romo mentally regressed this year.

Mentally regressed? You don't even know what that means. If you think any QB could "mentally" thrive on a team that lets defenders go unblocked and asks it's QBs to bail them out of 2nd and 20 because the defense/special teams just let the opponent drive down the field for another easy score, you're out of your mind.

You're about to get a 8-10 week education in what a great deodorant Tony Romo was for this team.

[tomson75]

you take franchise QB if available. let him watch Romo for year then trade Romo away. I know Tony numbers are up this year and offensive line has issues...but Romo mentally regressed this year. 2nd and 3rd round picks I would go OL and LB. Use FA to address safety.

My eyes!!!!!

This thread needs a shot of penicillin.

[Randy White]

....but yeah, I think we really need at least one proven player to add to the OL mix. Even then, I'd still use high picks up front.


If you mean high picks as in 2nd and/or 3rd round, then yes, depending on who's there. But, once again, in this particular draft I don't see anybody jumping into the starting 5 right away. I don't see any OL being worthy of a top 10 pick at all and it doesn't make sense, again, for this team, to get yet antoher developmental lineman.

I'd rather they go the FA route. Mankins would be absolutely fantastic. I've yet to see the possible FA list, and I'm ASSuming there's going to be a season with new CBA rules ( big ASSumption ) but if they do happen, that would be the way to go.

Mankins at RG, bringing back Kosier to temporarily man the LG position. I'd use Costa the same way the Cowboys used Stepnoski at the begining of his career, playing him at both guard spots before taking over the C position eventually for Rafferty. I'd put as much emphasis in getting Brewster and Young ready as they did with Free. I think Young would eventually win the job at RT with Brewster settling in for the LG spot in the long run. I wouldn't mind if in the end, and because they earned it through hard work and developing their games to the next leve, a starting O-line of:

LT: Free
LG: Brewster
C: Costa
RG: Mankin
RT: Young

We're going to need new O-line coach to make that happen, though.

[zrinkill]

you take franchise QB if available. let him watch Romo for year then trade Romo away.

:lmao:


Unbelievable.

[VThokie7]

Haven't followed this thread to closely, but if we end up with a top 5 pick. I don't know what OL people would want to take. At this point in time there isn't even an OL worth a top 10 pick. You have to go Patrick Peterson at that point, only player that really fills a weak spot. And if Jenkins keep taking steps backward, the CB's may be almost as bad as the OL.

[twentytwo]

QB

Sorry but if we have the 1st pick you have to take the opportunity to grab a franchise QB when there is no top 5 talent in a area of need.

You realize Romo is only out for 6-8 weeks right? It wasn't a career-ending injury.

[tomson75]

Haven't followed this thread to closely, but if we end up with a top 5 pick. I don't know what OL people would want to take. At this point in time there isn't even an OL worth a top 10 pick. You have to go Patrick Peterson at that point, only player that really fills a weak spot. And if Jenkins keep taking steps backward, the CB's may be almost as bad as the OL.

As bad as Jenkins has played lately......the starting CBs are not the problem. In fact, I'd say our starters are still right up there with the best in the league (if Jenkins rebounds)....but they're being asked to do too much in covering for our pathetic patch job at safety. Worst safety play in the league IMO....and our corners are getting the shaft for it.

...but yeah, I'm not opposed to Peterson. As good as Newman is, he's prone to get dinged, and he's likely on the downslope at this point. If Peterson is there, he's hard to pass up on.

Our CB depth, however is a VERY serious concern.




I also have a feeling that the draft outlook for OL prospects will change dramatically between now and the spring. I have a very hard time believing that there are no linemen worth a top 5 pick. Time will tell.

Do yourself a favor and read the whole thread...it's actually quite amusing.

[cowboyjoe]

Look at the current roster and how it's set up. Getting someone like Mankins with Davis and Columbo's money ( after they're cut ) is a great idea and absolutely the path this team should take.

Trading a top 10, or top 5 pick, for two #1 draft choices and proceed to draft 2 O-lineman in this draft is NOT the path they should take. You mentioned Costa not playing bad. I'd say he did better than that. We still have Sam Young and Robert Brewster, plust Travis Bright, who we are developing. Spending two #1 picks on O-lineman in this draft in particular would only add to the gluttony of developmental players we already have.

You want to know why I mentioned Robert Quinn above ? It was because my first idea was to check out Anthony Castonzo, BC's starting LT. I, like you, thought of the Patriots and the possibility of moving down and even though we would be out of Patrick Peterson's range, we could pick somebody like Castonzo and CB Ras-I Dowling, for example, or another DB who might have made a late move into those range. Well, I saw films on Castonzo. I like him, I think in time he could be a terrific LT as he gets stronger. He's mean and he competes. BUT he's not ready to start in the NFL next year. Quinn got the best of him the majority of the time, although Castonzo did get his shots in and also looking at the FSU game, it showed that Castonzo has problems with speed rushers and upper body strength at this time.

We already have two of those developmental tackles. We don't need a 3rd one.

If the Cowboys end up with a top 10 pick, they must select a player who's going to go in that range, regardless of need ( unless is a QB, WR, or TE ). As it so happen, and as of right now, they could get a very good one that's not any of those 3 positions ( wether it's Peterson or Quinn or even Karrigan ). They cannot pass on a possible impact player for the sake of need.

On a side note: I'd stay away from 1 player who, imo, is way overhyped: Nebraska's CB Prince Amukamara. I'm a Husker fan and I can tell you that Amukamara is not as good as advertized ( OSU proved it this past week ). He's a former RB turned CB who's not too flexible. He's fast and has excellent size, but he's too stiff for the position.

I might consider him a late 1st rounder, but would prefere a 2nd round pick instead.

I understand what your saying, but if you have a top 10 pick, (i think you misunderstood me) you stay in that range. I still think that the raiders will self desctruct, and that their pick which patriots have will be a top 10 pick. Another reason why i say this is because of what jerry jones says. Economics wise, you cant afford the first overall pick, to expensive. And who runs the team jerry jones as we all know, which is part of the problem to some detail.

Sure, some of it is on players and wade too, especially doofus wade, but dont get me started on him.

AS reports say, there could be at end of year, 3-5 top super QBs coming out, if Luck does come out. If raiders do self explode, and patriots do want the alabama running back, you could trade down alittle, not far mind you stay in top 5, but get extra picks.

As far as brewster, let me ask you this. When cowboys cut brewster, and before they resigned him to practice squad, did any other NFL team sign him? No! If
there was reports that some players were late to meetings, with coaches screaming at them, with brewster still out of shape football wise, flabby and to heavy. so, you want to count on him as an OT. With Sam Young you might have a better chance. There is as you know lack of discipline, hard hitting training camp with doofus wade, that goes back to doofus wade and his coaching style.

As well as getting players ready. Mr fixit always waits and waits to fix things, touchdown celebrations, took 2 weeks like chris carter said, bringing in refs to fix penalties, what 5 games to fix that? And now as you saw last night, this team has had only 3 cbs, and no real free safety. We saw what happened with just 3 cbs, with newman being hurt, who couldnt tackle due to rib cartilage injury. Dumb! that goes back to head coach doofus wade.

So, what does this team need badly, an offensive linemen like Mankins, and 2 top offensive linemen drafted. And possibly a top QB.

So, if raiders pick is a top 10 pick, and you cant get patriots to trade and get their 2 number ones, then you should think about it, but go always with best player. I just dont see jerry jones standing pat with number one overall pick if we have the first pick in the draft. I think jerry will trade down some money wise.

The patriots got mankins with their 32nd pick, so you can get an OG in bottom of draft, if patriots with their other number one, get to playoffs and their own number one is say 28th to 32nd in first round. Plus, if you have top picks in each round, you would be getting a top player in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th to 5th rounds.

Thats what I would do, but I would scream if we draft another defensive player with our number one pick, we need help at QB and offensive line badly.

You should be able to get a good DE in 2nd to 3rd rounds. Hince, why i would consider if raiders pick is a top 10 pick, and you can get patriots 2 number one picks.

Suppose to be 3-5 top super QB next year if luck comes out
Theres about 5 top OTs next year too, with some decent OG/C's too
There s about 5-7 top cbs, and yes we do need a cb, but i would try to get one in 2nd to 3rd round.

remember the steelers got a decent qb a few years ago, with big ben with aboiut the 11th overall pick in first round.

You just have to do your homework in scouting and drafting.

[InmanRoshi]

Patrick Peterson has the size and physicality to start out at FS. Let him move to slot CB in nickel and let him return all kicks, and you're looking at a player who could rack up a ton of snaps in a lot of valuable roles as a rookie. Then he can replace Newman as a fulltime CB in a year as or so when it's time to let him move on.

[cowboyjoe]

Patrick Peterson has the size and physicality to start out at FS. Let him move to slot CB in nickel and let him return all kicks, and you're looking at a player who could rack up a ton of snaps in a lot of valuable roles as a rookie. Then he can replace Newman as a fulltime CB in a year as or so when it's time to let him move on.

again i will scream if we take a defender with our top pick, we need offensive linemen and a young top impact QB like Luck

[tomson75]

again i will scream if we take a defender with our top pick, we need offensive linemen and a young top impact QB like Luck

Would you still scream if by that point we've signed a top FA lineman?

I sure wouldn't.

[InmanRoshi]

I would be interested in looking at Stephen Paea, the best defensive tackle in the draft, and I go to a 4-3 scheme with Spencer, Ratliff, Paea and Ware on the line. Ratliff isn't just going to hold out much longer as a 60 snap a game 3-4 nosetackle. He needs to be moved to a fulltime 3-tech, and quit being asked to absorb double teams for 60 snaps a game. His body just isn't going to hold out that much longer. There will be no shortage of potential defensive coordinators hitting the market well versed in the 4-3 between John Fox, Lovie Smith, Rod Marinelli and Jack Del Rio (some of which coached with or against Gruden for many years).

[Nightshade]

of corse we all know that the Boys can't even screw up the season right, we will end up 7-9 and get a mid round pick

We'll win 7 games without Romo? I hope you're right. Every win will be gold for me. Screw the draft. I can't stand to see this team lose.:mad:

[cowboyjoe]

Safety, Cornerback, or Offensive Tackle.

i think we have our safety in ansah, but youve got to play him, if we lose to jacksonville and packers, then i say play young players see how they play, give them experience.

i think we need an OT ( a stud offensive linemen), top impact QB to push romo, OG, and CB

this will do one thing and then we will see

cowboys will have a losing year, and teams will laugh at them, mock them, etc... then these dallas cowboys players will see how you dont let up on a team and you kick them when their down, something that the cowboys players need to learn

you should be able to see also at some point how stephen mcgee is improving, so if you need a top qb you can get one next year

this should also push jerry jones into cleaning some house, getting a top head coach that is a disciple coach

then you start from there, i think this team needs a top impact QB (after I have thought about it) i want a QB that will push the dog out of romo, with romo realizing there is a QB on this team with more talent that could take his job at anytime

i want a top OG that can push the dog out of big leonard davis, some of these players need to be pushed hard

then i want a team with tough intensity level with killer demeanor of a nasty team that no team wants to mess with

and i dont want wades son on this team either coaching, we had a chance to get owen schmidt, but we messed around and around, like wade does to fix things, and we got our qb killed due to no dominant fullback on this team

im not pointing fingers at grokiski, in time, i think he can be good, but u dont ever want a rookie at fullback unless your rebuilding,thats a way you get your qb killed, which is exactly from what im hearing happened to romo

i blame that on wade for not getting fullback owen schmidt that the eagles have now

[Nightshade]

So you encourage drafting a LT and paying LT money for a future RG prospect? Ouch



Straight from the Jerry Jones text book on how to blow a draft

No, if we're to get enough good prospects at O-line and D-back trading down isn't such a bad idea in our situation with high picks.

[Sam I Am]

The league needs to do away with guaranteed contracts. Only insurance policies on those contracts. (ie, if a player has a career ending injury, he still gets his money)

If a man doesn't earn his money, he should get paid that money.

[rangers71]

Take the best player available period. We have to many holes to draft a "position". Take the best player on your board and pray your scouts know what they are doing. Anything outside of that you trade down for multiple picks. Of course with Jerry we would trade it for an extra 5th and two extra 7th's.

[ZeroClub]

I hope Sam Young gets some reps this season ...

Going into the draft, it'd be very nice to know if Young is a viable option at RT.

And it isn't like playing Young will ruin the season. The season is already ruined.

[Double Trouble]

Romo will be 31 when the season starts next year. They have to consider QB. That's not a knock on Romo at all. It's a fact. If they ignore that then we'll be stuck like we were at the end of Aikman's career, scrambling with the next Quincy Carter or Chad Hutchinson. People lose perspective when they see Old Man Favre running around, but the cold truth is that Romo probably only has 3 or so more good years left before he starts to decline. To think he's going to play at an elite level for another 5 years is probably wishful thinking. They - hopefully "they" doesn't mean Jerry Jones - have to seriously consider QB.

If you have a #1 overall (or top 3 or so for that matter), you need to look at 3 positions, IMO: QB, LT, and pass rusher. Almost every other position is overvaluing a guy who won't have as much impact on the game. Even RB. Although an RB can definitely have a huge impact, their shelf life is what, 7 years in most cases? Most RBs are a shell of their former selves after 6 or 7 years, and more importantly, are far and away the easiest position to find a quality player with in the middle of the draft.

With LT, we could likely easily shift Free to RT and put a new guy there pretty quickly. Look around the league the last few years and a lot of rookie LT's have been good right away, and in some cases, helped turn their offense around. Our OL needs a heavy dose of toughness. We also need a guy who won't get totally rolled on 3rd and short, like our OL does with regularity. In other words, we need an alpha male on the OL, not a fake one like Colombo (that's not a shot on his character, just that he isn't a very good football player).

And with OLB/DE, don't tell me we're set there. We have one guy who can consistently rush the passer and no one else. Spencer has some nice qualities, but it's year 4 with him and we're still waiting for him to break out. How would he compare to the Giants? Their 4th best pass rusher? 5th? Whether we stay 3-4 or not, we need to find another pass rusher, because other than the last 5 or so weeks of last year, Spencer hasn't shown he can do it.

Like with safety, there's an ok veteran available in free agency annually. How many QBs? How many decent left tackles? How many pass rushers? With those 3 positions, it's a rarity that a decent player - much less a really good one - ever hits the open market. Drafting a safety that high is a Roy Williams disaster waiting to happen. Name one safety drafted in the top 10 in the last decade that's lived up to his billing. I can't think of any. No way I'd take safety high. That's a Redskin/Raider move.

Those 3 positions: QB, LT, DE/OLB. IMO, every other position is complimentary, and taking a guy at one of them assumes that we're set overall and are just looking to fill holes. We're not. Not even close.

[alancdc]

RT, RG, STUDD MLB. The good/bad news is that we will also have a top 37ish pick. Should be abel to address 2 areas of need.

[Randy White]

[QUOTE=cowboyjoe;3650060] I still think that the raiders will self desctruct, and that their pick which patriots have will be a top 10 pick.

In order for that pick to end up top 10, the Raiders would have to lose 8 out of their 9 games remaining. Looking at their schedule, I don't see that happening. The 2 toughest team they play are Seattle and Pitt. Everybody else is almost literally a toss up. They could easily end up with a 7-9 record or even 8-8.

AS reports say, there could be at end of year, 3-5 top super QBs coming out, if Luck does come out. If raiders do self explode, and patriots do want the alabama running back, you could trade down alittle, not far mind you stay in top 5, but get extra picks.

There's no doubt that Luck will come out. He's the consensous #1 pick of the draft and the team with the worst record happen to need a QB, so he's Buffalo bound unless something unforseen happens ( injuries, dirty pictures, etc.. )

Looking at the teams that are destined as of right now to select in the top 10, I don't see any need for them to move up. Let's assume that everything stays the same way it is right now:

0-6 / 1-6:

Bills = QB - Andrew Luck
Detroit = DE - Da'Quan Bowers
Carolina = DE - Robert Quinn or Adrian Clayborn
49ers = QB - Jake Locker
Cowboys = CB - Patrick Peterson

2-5

Cleveland = DE - Adrian Clayborn or Robert Quinn
Chargers = WR - A.J. Green
Cinci = DT - Marcell Dareus
Denver = OLB - Akeem Ayers
Minnesota = CB Janoris Jenkins

I'm not saying those players are going in that particular order. I'm just pointing out the general area of need for those teams and the available talent they have to choose from.

There's no need for us to trade down, even if Peterson is taken ahead of us. Other than the QB and WR, and perhaps the DT, any of those players could come in and should make an immidiate contribution, which is what you're looking for in a top 5, top 10 pick.

I don't see any O-lineman doing that.

As far as brewster, let me ask you this. When cowboys cut brewster, and before they resigned him to practice squad, did any other NFL team sign him? No!

That doesn't mean anything to me, nor is a true reflection of Brewster's worth. He's a developmental lineman. Very few, if any, team in the NFL right now would be willing to take on a developmental lineman and spend a 53 roster spot on him. They'll glady put him in their practice squad, but that doesn't make sense to Brewster ( unless teams come up with some extra incentive - as in money ), who would have to agree to that, because he's already doing that in a familiar setting. Not to mention that we don't know if the Cowboys paid Brewster some extra cash for him to stick around, which is perfectly within the rules and has been done before.

If there was reports that some players were late to meetings, with coaches screaming at them, with brewster still out of shape football wise, flabby and to heavy. so, you want to count on him as an OT.

Brewster not being in top shape, upper body wise, is understandable. He had " baby fat " issues coming out of college and the Cowboys knew that, so imagine missing an entire year without being able to do any lifting with your upper body because of an injury.

I'm going to believe my lying eyes on this one, since he did well in spurts during the pre-season, and give him another shot ( which is what I was suggesting ) next year.

Suppose to be 3-5 top super QB next year if luck comes out
Theres about 5 top OTs next year too,

No, there aren't. There isn't even a consensus potentially future franchise LT listed at this point and that's a very important indicator. The top one right now is Derek Sherrod, and he's middle of the draft type talent. Everybody else look like development projects. That doesn't mean that somebody in the later part of the draft won't break out and have a terrific season as a rookie, but good luck trying to figure out who that is.

Obviously we're not going to draft a QB with any pick in the first 4 rounds, if at all..

Just about everything else you said, I agree with.

[Randy White]

again i will scream if we take a defender with our top pick, we need offensive linemen and a young top impact QB like Luck


Are you suggesting that Luck is a better QB than Romo ?

[Randy White]

I hope Sam Young gets some reps this season ... Going into the draft, it'd be very nice to know if Young is a viable option at RT. And it isn't like playing Young will ruin the season. The season is already ruined.

:hammer:

Same with Brewster, when he's ready. This is a perfect time to see if they're worth it and what they need to work on.

[VThokie7]

again i will scream if we take a defender with our top pick, we need offensive linemen and a young top impact QB like Luck

Scream away my friend, if there is no OL worthy of the pick, you don't reach.

[SDogo]

[quote]

In order for that pick to end up top 10, the Raiders would have to lose 8 out of their 9 games remaining. Looking at their schedule, I don't see that happening. The 2 toughest team they play are Seattle and Pitt. Everybody else is almost literally a toss up. They could easily end up with a 7-9 record or even 8-8.



There's no doubt that Luck will come out. He's the consensous #1 pick of the draft and the team with the worst record happen to need a QB, so he's Buffalo bound unless something unforseen happens ( injuries, dirty pictures, etc.. )

Looking at the teams that are destined as of right now to select in the top 10, I don't see any need for them to move up. Let's assume that everything stays the same way it is right now:

0-6 / 1-6:

Bills = QB - Andrew Luck
Detroit = DE - Da'Quan Bowers
Carolina = DE - Robert Quinn or Adrian Clayborn
49ers = QB - Jake Locker
Cowboys = CB - Patrick Peterson

2-5

Cleveland = DE - Adrian Clayborn or Robert Quinn
Chargers = WR - A.J. Green
Cinci = DT - Marcell Dareus
Denver = OLB - Akeem Ayers
Minnesota = CB Janoris Jenkins

I'm not saying those players are going in that particular order. I'm just pointing out the general area of need for those teams and the available talent they have to choose from.

There's no need for us to trade down, even if Peterson is taken ahead of us. Other than the QB and WR, and perhaps the DT, any of those players could come in and should make an immidiate contribution, which is what you're looking for in a top 5, top 10 pick.

I don't see any O-lineman doing that.



That doesn't mean anything to me, nor is a true reflection of Brewster's worth. He's a developmental lineman. Very few, if any, team in the NFL right now would be willing to take on a developmental lineman and spend a 53 roster spot on him. They'll glady put him in their practice squad, but that doesn't make sense to Brewster ( unless teams come up with some extra incentive - as in money ), who would have to agree to that, because he's already doing that in a familiar setting. Not to mention that we don't know if the Cowboys paid Brewster some extra cash for him to stick around, which is perfectly within the rules and has been done before.



Brewster not being in top shape, upper body wise, is understandable. He had " baby fat " issues coming out of college and the Cowboys knew that, so imagine missing an entire year without being able to do any lifting with your upper body because of an injury.

I'm going to believe my lying eyes on this one, since he did well in spurts during the pre-season, and give him another shot ( which is what I was suggesting ) next year.



No, there aren't. There isn't even a consensus potentially future franchise LT listed at this point and that's a very important indicator. The top one right now is Derek Sherrod, and he's middle of the draft type talent. Everybody else look like development projects. That doesn't mean that somebody in the later part of the draft won't break out and have a terrific season as a rookie, but good luck trying to figure out who that is.

Obviously we're not going to draft a QB with any pick in the first 4 rounds, if at all..

Just about everything else you said, I agree with.

great post boss:hammer:

[romo2to]

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