y'all watch Keith Davis

[p1_]

Had another pick and was second in tackles for Berlin yesterday with 5.

Also, 2 passes defended and 2 forced fumbles. He seems to bring it every game,
looks to be a keeper, and boy is he needed.

[Clay_Allison]

Any port in a storm man. if only Dixon could be magically transformed into a football player...

[twa]

It is great to see him playing so well we really need the depth.

[LeonDixson]

I have a feeling he will be Woodson's primary backup.

[Nors]

he covers a lot of ground


if he can stay away from strip joints after midnight he will make our team........

[Erik_H]

he covers a lot of ground


if he can stay away from strip joints after midnight he will make our team........

Something tells me he's learned that lesson.

(if he hasn't then he's not a player we need)

[junk]

Did anyone see Keith Davis giving a tour of Berlin on NFL Total Access (I think)? Might have been the episode where Julius was on.

Always interests me to see football players off the field. I tend to just associate them with a number and a position and it is interesting to see what kind of people they actually are.

[da_boyz_mk]

the key for davis making the team this year is special teams. he seems like the perfect special teams player because he's athletic and he seems kinda reckless. hopefully he can come on strong this year for us.

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[Hostile]

Had another pick and was second in tackles for Berlin yesterday with 5.

Also, 2 passes defended and 2 forced fumbles. He seems to bring it every game,
looks to be a keeper, and boy is he needed.
I'll admit it. I have high hopes for him.

[Hollywood Henderson]

It wouldn't suprise me to see Davis start besides Roy this year...The 2 SS's experement has failed...It hurts in coverage...Its also hurts Dixon's play because he is a SS as well, not a FS...We need to get our players in a position to win...not fail...

Its high time The Cowboys employed a real FS again...

Woody just might be ready for the anouncer's booth...He might make a better nickle player in his final year then a starter...

[Nors]

It wouldn't suprise me to see Davis start besides Roy this year...The 2 SS's experement has failed...It hurts in coverage...Its also hurts Dixon's play because he is a SS as well, not a FS...We need to get our players in a position to win...not fail...

Its high time The Cowboys employed a real FS again...

Woody just might be ready for the anouncer's booth...He might make a better nickle player in his final year then a starter...

You'll see Roy more and more deeper in the box, Davis will take Scotts job hopefully.

[ghettogandhi]

It wouldn't suprise me to see Davis start besides Roy this year...The 2 SS's experement has failed...It hurts in coverage...Its also hurts Dixon's play because he is a SS as well, not a FS...We need to get our players in a position to win...not fail...

Its high time The Cowboys employed a real FS again...

Woody just might be ready for the anouncer's booth...He might make a better nickle player in his final year then a starter...

COULDNT AGREE MORE HH....
I have been saying this for over a year now- I think by the time the season starts something will be done to remedy the fact that we have two lb's playing safety.
I have a sneakin suspicion that davis will see lots of time next year- with roy moving down to a nickel lb and woody at ss with davis at fs.

IF NOT IM AFRAID WE ARE IN FOR ANOTHER YEAR OF GIVING UP LOTS of key big plays down the field- does anyone remember last year?

[TheHustler]

It wouldn't suprise me to see Davis start besides Roy this year...The 2 SS's experement has failed...It hurts in coverage...Its also hurts Dixon's play because he is a SS as well, not a FS...We need to get our players in a position to win...not fail...

Its high time The Cowboys employed a real FS again...

Woody just might be ready for the anouncer's booth...He might make a better nickle player in his final year then a starter...

thats not going to happen unless woody gets injured.

[Lord Sun]

It wouldn't suprise me to see Davis start besides Roy this year...The 2 SS's experement has failed...It hurts in coverage...Its also hurts Dixon's play because he is a SS as well, not a FS...We need to get our players in a position to win...not fail...

Its high time The Cowboys employed a real FS again...

Woody just might be ready for the anouncer's booth...He might make a better nickle player in his final year then a starter...

Somehow, I can't see us benching Woody, even in the Bill Parcells era, where you have to bring it every week. Woody is actually one of thsoe who DOES bring it every week, even if his aprtnership with Roy is not the ideal in terms of division of responsibilities, it's the best we've got in terms of the division of talent.

Now, if Keith can step up, then he and Roy can establisht that sort of rapport, but if anything I can only envision using that lineup on a limited basis, such that Woody starts some games and Keith starts others.

The other thing to recall is that having Roy and Woody together means that offenses are not sure who to key in on, as they were never meant to play strong and free safety. They may be given those designations, but from the time Roy came in, it was made clear that that was not how they would play. Having Keith in the game actually makes things easier for the opposing offense, because they know Roy is going to be strong safety, up to the LOS, and Keith is going to play deep.

[Erik_H]

I'll admit it. I have high hopes for him.

I was very disappointed when he was cut last year, althouhg I supposed I could see the need for it under the circumstances. A very public statement regarding behavior was made before the shooting, as Bill needed to follow up on the threat or risk losing authority.

I'm glad he's back with the team. I doubt he'll be starting this year, but I like the way he plays. Given the choice between him, Dixon and Scott, I like Davis.

[TruBlueCowboy]

It wouldn't suprise me to see Davis start besides Roy this year...

An NFL Europe scrub will not be replacing a potential Hall of Famer anytime soon. Thank you, argument over.

[NorthDalal]

Cowboys also lead the NFL in Pass defense with only 48.6% completions against. No one else was below 53.1%.

With 3 young guys at the other 3 defensive backfield positions Woody is essential this year.

There are alot of other places to look for radical changes other than Darren Woodson's position.

I'm hopeful that Davis can provide us with more than Dixon and Scott can bring as back-ups. Davis' story will be a good one to focus on in TC.

[MichaelWinicki]

COULDNT AGREE MORE HH....
I have been saying this for over a year now- I think by the time the season starts something will be done to remedy the fact that we have two lb's playing safety.
I have a sneakin suspicion that davis will see lots of time next year- with roy moving down to a nickel lb and woody at ss with davis at fs.

IF NOT IM AFRAID WE ARE IN FOR ANOTHER YEAR OF GIVING UP LOTS of key big plays down the field- does anyone remember last year?

You folks that thing Davis is going to start ahead of Woodson... are outta your minds. :eek:

[MichaelWinicki]

An NFL Europe scrub will not be replacing a potential Hall of Famer anytime soon. Thank you, argument over.


Thank god there is so kind of voice of reason here in this asylum.

[ghettogandhi]

Thank god there is so kind of voice of reason here in this asylum.

With such a compelling argument against the valid points that myself and hh brought to the forum, I can see how your conclusion was reached-

Without reason-

[MichaelWinicki]

With such a compelling argument against the valid points that myself and hh brought to the forum, I can see how your conclusion was reached-

Without reason-

OK Mr. Ghetto what in god's name leads you to believe that Davis will start ahead of Woodson?

Hey, this Davis kid has shown promise. No doubt. But no one has suggested anywhere from the Cowboy braintrust that Woodson was riding the pine this year. As a matter of fact if they were intending that then Woodson would have been cut already.

[TheHustler]

this thread is getting ridiculous.

davis makes a few plays at NFLE and you're ready to annoint him the starter? please, if he was that close, he'd be getting coaching in dallas, but he is not. he's a project and thats why he is in NFLE.

i've heard enough of the whining about to LB's playing safety too. most of the big plays weren't because of atheltic ability, it wasn't because roy was too slow, is was because of mistakes in coverage. with another year under his belt, he'll be an even better FS next year, then, when woody is finally ready to retire, possibly after next year, or the year after, keith davis will finally be ready to step in and start at FS, and we can move Roy to SS.

anyone that thinks keith davis can start at FS next year is delusional. i think he will be a good FS, but not next year.

[MichaelWinicki]

this thread is getting ridiculous.

davis makes a few plays at NFLE and you're ready to annoint him the starter? please, if he was that close, he'd be getting coaching in dallas, but he is not. he's a project and thats why he is in NFLE.

i've heard enough of the whining about to LB's playing safety too. most of the big plays weren't because of atheltic ability, it wasn't because roy was too slow, is was because of mistakes in coverage. with another year under his belt, he'll be an even better FS next year, then, when woody is finally ready to retire, possibly after next year, or the year after, keith davis will finally be ready to step in and start at FS, and we can move Roy to SS.

anyone that thinks keith davis can start at FS next year is delusional. i think he will be a good FS, but not next year.

Nice analysis Hustler. Very nice.

[AdamJT13]

It wouldn't suprise me to see Davis start besides Roy this year...The 2 SS's experement has failed.

Yeah, that pass defense of ours failed miserably, didn't it? Never mind that we led the NFL in yards allowed, yards allowed per pass and completion percentage, all with one cornerback being a rookie and another being entirely mediocre, with a second-year player as our nickel back and with a pass rush that was virtually nonexistent at times. We've got to get Woodson off the field as quickly as possible.

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah, that pass defense of ours failed miserably, didn't it? Never mind that we led the NFL in yards allowed, yards allowed per pass and completion percentage, all with one cornerback being a rookie and another being entirely mediocre, with a second-year player as our nickel back and with a pass rush that was virtually nonexistent at times. We've got to get Woodson off the field as quickly as possible.


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Adam sir you just don't post here enough!

[jobberone]

Then we can worry if he's good enough to beat Woodson out.

Come on guys. This guy is playing against NFLE competition. Sure he's standing out and that's encouraging. But replacing Woodson already.

I see him making the team and contributing in a big way. If one of the safeties goes down and he can bring what he's done over there to the real NFL then he will get a chance to compete with Dixon. I suspect he might even beat Dixon out although I have hope for Dixon since the end of last year.

Safety looks better depth wise for sure. Davis could be another Brock Marion. Let's hope so.

I'm waiting on this one first though. Prove it to me. I want to see it.

[Hostile]

Okay, let me get this straight...

Davis, an NFLE castoff, can start over Darren Woodson, a potential Hall of Famer, but Chad Hutchinson, an NFLE castoff, can't even get a legit shot in our Training Camp against an unproven QB?

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Is it only me who finds it funny that the owner of this site is Reality?

[MichaelWinicki]

Okay, let me get this straight...

Davis, an NFLE castoff, can start over Darren Woodson, a potential Hall of Famer, but Chad Hutchinson, an NFLE castoff, can't even get a legit shot in our Training Camp against an unproven QB?

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Is it only me who finds it funny that the owner of this site is Reality?


Yes Hos, that's what many here are saying. And yes it is...


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[TruBlueCowboy]

One day, some Cowboys fans are going to realize that they were given the opportunity to watch one of the greatest safety tandems in NFL history.

Darren Woodson and Roy Williams - The Assassins! :cool:

[Hostile]

Yes Hos, that's what many here are saying. And yes it is...


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So it's not just a Monty Python routine.


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Almost as funny, but in a morbid sort of way.

[jterrell]

IMHO Davis was our best deep or cover safety last year all camp. He isnt as good up near the LOS but in coverage he ruled.

He is dominating in NFLE which is what you would expect from a legit NFL player.

I expect he becomes the 3rd safety and plays in the nickel and dime or if Woody or RW get dinged. He is our truest Free Safety IMHO. If RW gets dinged then Woody would move to SS and Davis could slide in at FS.

Davis may also now be in position to move into a starting FS gig in a year or two when Woody retires or is cut due to salary.

[AdamJT13]

Davis may also now be in position to move into a starting FS gig in a year or two when Woody retires or is cut due to salary.

All Davis is in position to do is go to training camp and battle for a spot on the team. If he gets outplayed in training camp by Dixon, Scott, Crowder and Cargile, Parcells isn't going to keep him just because he played well in NFL Europe.

[Bizwah]

All Davis is in position to do is go to training camp and battle for a spot on the team. If he gets outplayed in training camp by Dixon, Scott, Crowder and Cargile, Parcells isn't going to keep him just because he played well in NFL Europe.


Agreed.....

Davis will have to make this team on the basis of his special teams play.

[ghst187]

Man, I hope Davis turns out to be good enough to handle FS for us in the long term because we are going to have to start looking at the draft or FA next offseason if he doesn't. If he could become a player at FS for us then the only positions we'd definitely have to address next offseason/draft would be:
1) WR (Just don't think R Williams is gonna be anything and injection of youth please)
2) DT (time to pony up and find a playmaker to plug the middle and occupy double-teams, although it'd be nice if Blade gets a lot better)
3) CB (this could go up to #1 if Hunter doesn't perform or if we don't bring anyone else in, I'd love to snag Rolle with one of our firsts, hope the bills don't win a game)

4) RB...? hoping JJ secures the long term starting spot clearly this season but we'll still need some young depth if nothing else.

[Lord Sun]

Okay, let me get this straight...

Davis, an NFLE castoff, can start over Darren Woodson, a potential Hall of Famer, but Chad Hutchinson, an NFLE castoff, can't even get a legit shot in our Training Camp against an unproven QB?

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Is it only me who finds it funny that the owner of this site is Reality?

Come on, Hos, neither Davis nor Hutch is an NFLE castoff. This is their first and probably last go-round in Europe. Now, Davis is becoming one of the best safeties in Europe, whereas Hutch is mediocre even against mediocre competition. So, if Davis is excelling against average-to-poor talent, perhaps it means he's average-to-good?? Anything more than that is a bit wishful, in my mind.

Also, Hutch is "competing" for a spot where he either makes it or does not - I can't see him on this roster as a reserve, espcially since he also has Henson to go up against. On the other hand, Keith Davis can come in and play a reserve role, easy, especially since he also will contribute on ST. Further to which, it's not like he has much comp outside of the starters!

[trickblue]

Davis may very well be a player in the future... right now he adds needed depth... he will play ST... maybe some nickel and dime situations and fill in when needed... ain't NO way displaces Woody... just ain't happenin'... he should just take it all in and learn a thing or two...

[JDSmith]

A quality backup at any position would dominate NFLE competition - that's because the VAST majority of guys over there are simply not NFL backup quality players. They are third and fourth string guys and people who are barely clinging to a roster spot for the most part.

Saying that Davis is doing well over in NFLE means he should start over Woody is ridiculous on an astronomical scale. If Woody had walked out of the announcer's booth a couple of weeks ago and threw on a uniform he'd immediately be the best player on the field, and there wouldn't be anyone out there who's even in the same league (literally). He'd dominate those guys the way a hall of famer would dominate a bunch of third string players and practice squad guys - because that's exactly what it would be.

Maybe Davis can become a player, but to say that he's ready to take Woody's job is not only putting the cart before the horse, it's putting the freaking horse in the cart and pushing it.

[crazylegs]

Any port in a storm man. if only Dixon could be magically transformed into a football player...

you can't train a brain, no matter how much you lift or how fast you can run.

[dbair1967]

You'll see Roy more and more deeper in the box, Davis will take Scotts job hopefully.

I think its obvious that Davis taking Scott's backup position means Parcells wants to use the 3-4

now you probably want an explanation as to how I know this, I'm using Nors logic of "if it doesnt say anything about acquring that player, or moving defensive schemes" it means we really are

:D

David

[Hostile]

Come on, Hos, neither Davis nor Hutch is an NFLE castoff. This is their first and probably last go-round in Europe. Now, Davis is becoming one of the best safeties in Europe, whereas Hutch is mediocre even against mediocre competition. So, if Davis is excelling against average-to-poor talent, perhaps it means he's average-to-good?? Anything more than that is a bit wishful, in my mind.

Also, Hutch is "competing" for a spot where he either makes it or does not - I can't see him on this roster as a reserve, espcially since he also has Henson to go up against. On the other hand, Keith Davis can come in and play a reserve role, easy, especially since he also will contribute on ST. Further to which, it's not like he has much comp outside of the starters!
NFLE castoff is not my definition. It is the one being used on this forum for one of those two players.

[AdamJT13]

He'd dominate those guys the way a hall of famer would dominate a bunch of third string players and practice squad guys - because that's exactly what it would be.

I think you're overestimating how "dominating" a great player would be, compared to third- or fourth-stringers. At some positions, it would be patently obvious. But at others, it wouldn't be nearly as noticeable, especially given that the great player himself is surrounded by third- and fourth-stringers.

Just imagine a great player in the fourth quarter of a preseason game, playing against fourth-stringers while surrounded by fourth-stringers. Would LaDainian Tomlinson churn out yards even if his fourth-string line couldn't block a lick and his fourth-string quarterback was no threat at all? No, he wouldn't. He might break a few runs, because he'd probably be faster than anyone else on the field, but he'd also probably get the snot knocked out of him in the backfield a few times, too. Would Peyton Manning march the team down the field if his fourth-string line couldn't slow a pass rush or pick up a blitz and his fourth-string receivers couldn't get open or catch a pass? Nope.

As a great Hall of Famer once said, "Leon can't do it all by himself."

[Paniolo22]

It wouldn't suprise me to see Davis start besides Roy this year.
Really? That would suprise the crap out of me :confused: