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CaptainAmerica
02-24-2005, 10:35 PM
...I'm not here to sugarcoat Bledsoe. I know he's declined over the past couple of years, no doubt. I wasn't in favor of bringing him to Dallas. But teamed with Parcells again, who will game plan and call plays to his strengths and stay on his butt about minimizing his sloppy decision making, he may just be able to regain some of his form.
In looking at his stats the past couple of years, I noticed that as recently as 2002 he had a pretty darn good season, statistically. It was a season statistically comparable to Brady's seasons from 2002-2004, (minus the rings of course :) ), but nevertheless, pretty good.
If, (and I know it's a big if), Bledsoe can limit his mistakes, play to the offensive strengths like Witten at the TE positon, he may just be able to regain some form and accomplish more than I initially believed he was possible of accomplishing. He certainly sounded confident at the press conference that he will be able to accomplish something in his time in Dallas. Almost a challenge to all his critics.
Here are the stats I was referring to:
Drew Bledsoe:
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Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate
2002 Bills 16 16 610 375 61.5 4359 7.15 73 24 15 45 13 86.0
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Tom Brady:
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Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate
2002 Pats 16 16 601 373 62.1 3764 6.26 49 28 14 37 3 85.7
2003 Pats 16 16 527 317 60.2 3620 6.87 82 23 12 44 8 85.9
2004 Pats 16 16 474 288 60.8 3692 7.79 50 28 14 52 10 92.6
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With our Weapons,
4000 yards, 25 TD's and 15 Ints.
We will score 7 points a game more than we averaged with Quincy and VT.
WE WILL MAKE PLAYOFFS.
Stop fooling yourselves. Bledsoe's not that good. In fact, i have never understood why he was considered a "star" qb. He had a 2 or 3 year stretch where he looked like a franchise QB in the making but has just been average (with a few years of bad) since then.
Im looking for 22 TDs and 17 INTs or so from bledsoe this year. Better than Vinny, yes. Probowl, no.
cowboyeric8
02-24-2005, 10:54 PM
With our Weapons,
4000 yards, 25 TD's and 15 Ints.
We will score 7 points a game more than we averaged with Quincy and VT.
WE WILL MAKE PLAYOFFS.
Heck yeah nors I'm all for that one.
irvin88
02-24-2005, 11:01 PM
Stop fooling yourselves. Bledsoe's not that good. In fact, i have never understood why he was considered a "star" qb. He had a 2 or 3 year stretch where he looked like a franchise QB in the making but has just been average (with a few years of bad) since then.
Im looking for 22 TDs and 17 INTs or so from bledsoe this year. Better than Vinny, yes. Probowl, no.
I've seen about 80% of his games last 3 years here in NY. He's a testaverde chlone. 3500 yards, 21 TD's, 19 int's. About 5 fumbles. 36 sacks.
CaptainAmerica
02-24-2005, 11:03 PM
Stop fooling yourselves. Bledsoe's not that good. In fact, i have never understood why he was considered a "star" qb. He had a 2 or 3 year stretch where he looked like a franchise QB in the making but has just been average (with a few years of bad) since then.
Im looking for 22 TDs and 17 INTs or so from bledsoe this year. Better than Vinny, yes. Probowl, no.
Read my post. I'm not fooling myself at all. I just said he had a pretty good year as recently as 2002. Maybe with Parcells coaching he can be serviceable for us.
As for your username, I'm a huge Henson fan. However, I want to see him play when he is capable of performing mentally in relation to his great physical talent. Once he starts playing he must perform or his time will be short here in Dallas. He won't be able to endure many games like the Bears game. Patience is a virtue in any endeavor of life, including development of a very raw, inexperienced QB like Henson.
Doomsday
02-25-2005, 04:52 AM
Read my post. I'm not fooling myself at all. I just said he had a pretty good year as recently as 2002. Maybe with Parcells coaching he can be serviceable for us.
As for your username, I'm a huge Henson fan. However, I want to see him play when he is capable of performing mentally in relation to his great physical talent. Once he starts playing he must perform or his time will be short here in Dallas. He won't be able to endure many games like the Bears game. Patience is a virtue in any endeavor of life, including development of a very raw, inexperienced QB like Henson.
He played better in 2002 because the Bills had Price to compliment Moulds and in the second half of last year when Lee Evans started to emerge along with McGahee.
wileedog
02-25-2005, 08:21 AM
He played better in 2002 because the Bills had Price to compliment Moulds and in the second half of last year when Lee Evans started to emerge along with McGahee.
Glenn and Key are a step down from Moulds/Price, but Witten and JJ are every bit as good as any TE or RB he's played with, save maybe Coates (although the potential is there for Witten).
If we protect him, we have the weapons to get a 2002 like season out of him.
If.
kmd24
02-25-2005, 08:32 AM
I posted some thoughts on this exact subject yesterday, but no one seemed interested.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19800
Waffle
02-25-2005, 08:35 AM
Ok, I'm done bashing Bledsoe until the season starts. ;)
With that said, I think Bledsoe gets injured during the season due to immobility and inconsistency on our OL. I see somewhere around 2000 Yards, 10 TDs, and 10 Ints in his 2005 future. If he somehow stays healthy, then maybe he gets Vinny yardage (3,500), and I think he has somewhere around 18TD and 18 Ints when it's all said and done.
CaptainAmerica
02-25-2005, 09:06 AM
I posted some thoughts on this exact subject yesterday, but no one seemed interested.
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19800
Sorry I missed that. Good stuff. Your analysis was more in depth than mine as to the cause of his drop-off.
I'm not a Bledsoe fan, but no matter what you think of him, you can't deny that in 2002 he had a pretty darn good year. In fact, as good as Brady, statistically speaking, has had the last 3 years. That's pretty good, imo.
He played better in 2002 because the Bills had Price to compliment Moulds and in the second half of last year when Lee Evans started to emerge along with McGahee.
Look what happened to Aikman when he lost them and Emmitt started aging.
Lets look at 2002 Bills and 2005 Cowboys
QB Bledsoe Advantage Dallas - better coach
RB Henry J Jones Advantage Dallas
FB Centers Anderson TIE
TE Rieserma Witten Advantage Dallas
WR Moulds, Price Glenn, Key Advantage Bills
OL Advantage Dallas not by much (remember Bills were what 3-13 in 2001, was it 1-15 in 2000) that team was horrific pre Bledsoe - right Miki?
Bledsoe came here for 3 reasons
Win Super Bowl
Parcells
We had the weapons in place
TheSkaven
02-25-2005, 09:25 AM
That 2002 season was going to be an MVP year for Bledsoe until about the 10th game. If you remember, he started off that season on fire and then stumbled to the finish.
But in all fairness, in 2003-2004 Bledsoe really had very few weapons. Moulds has been chronically injured the past two years, and there really is no one behind him on the depth chart at WR. Mark my words, Losman will struggle.
AsthmaField
02-25-2005, 09:45 AM
Bledsoe does remind me a little of Aikman in the latter years when he had almost no weapons... He couldn't escape the blitz, was a target in the pocket and couldn't pull the team up and win by himself.
I always said Aikman was the perfect QB to have a very good team around, but he couldn't do it by himself...
BlueWave
02-25-2005, 09:57 AM
...I'm not here to sugarcoat Bledsoe. I know he's declined over the past couple of years, no doubt. I wasn't in favor of bringing him to Dallas. But teamed with Parcells again, who will game plan and call plays to his strengths and stay on his butt about minimizing his sloppy decision making, he may just be able to regain some of his form.
In looking at his stats the past couple of years, I noticed that as recently as 2002 he had a pretty darn good season, statistically. It was a season statistically comparable to Brady's seasons from 2002-2004, (minus the rings of course :) ), but nevertheless, pretty good.
If, (and I know it's a big if), Bledsoe can limit his mistakes, play to the offensive strengths like Witten at the TE positon, he may just be able to regain some form and accomplish more than I initially believed he was possible of accomplishing. He certainly sounded confident at the press conference that he will be able to accomplish something in his time in Dallas. Almost a challenge to all his critics.
Here are the stats I was referring to:
Drew Bledsoe:
*************************************************
Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate
2002 Bills 16 16 610 375 61.5 4359 7.15 73 24 15 45 13 86.0
*************************************************
Tom Brady:
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Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int 20+ 40+ Rate
2002 Pats 16 16 601 373 62.1 3764 6.26 49 28 14 37 3 85.7
2003 Pats 16 16 527 317 60.2 3620 6.87 82 23 12 44 8 85.9
2004 Pats 16 16 474 288 60.8 3692 7.79 50 28 14 52 10 92.6
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Let's not forget, Elway won two SuperBowls in his late thirties, in the right situation. Elways had a few subpar years in the the middle 90's, and most experts, at the time, would have ranked Bledsoe ahead of Elway as far as AFC QB's go (in the mid 90's). But, again, Elway came back in the right situation and won two SuperBowls in his late 30's. No reason Bledsoe can't.
CaptainAmerica
02-25-2005, 10:53 AM
Let's not forget, Elway won two SuperBowls in his late thirties, in the right situation. Elways had a few subpar years in the the middle 90's, and most experts, at the time, would have ranked Bledsoe ahead of Elway as far as AFC QB's go (in the mid 90's). But, again, Elway came back in the right situation and won two SuperBowls in his late 30's. No reason Bledsoe can't.
I wouldn't take Bledsoe over Elway at any point in their careers, but I do see your point. Elway would not be looked upon now the way he is without those 2 Rings. Needless to say he wouldn't have those rings without the pieces being in place around him late in his career. Most notably, Terrell Davis who was at the time the best back in the league.
Bledsoe still has the ability if we surround him with some talent including the OL.
CaptainAmerica
02-25-2005, 10:57 AM
Bledsoe does remind me a little of Aikman in the latter years when he had almost no weapons... He couldn't escape the blitz, was a target in the pocket and couldn't pull the team up and win by himself.
I always said Aikman was the perfect QB to have a very good team around, but he couldn't do it by himself...
I absolutely agree on this point. A lot of fans have selective memories of Aikman. Late in his career, he was awful at times. i never forget, he started to look old and washed up to me, about the time he changed his facemask from the standard size and style worn by most QBs and went to that long, "cowcatcher" model :) that was designed to try and protect him from hits and concussions. IMO, he was downhill from that point!
diehard2294
02-25-2005, 11:17 AM
Look what happened to Aikman when he lost them and Emmitt started aging.
Lets look at 2002 Bills and 2005 Cowboys
QB Bledsoe Advantage Dallas - better coach
RB Henry J Jones Advantage Dallas
FB Centers Anderson TIE
TE Rieserma Witten Advantage Dallas
WR Moulds, Price Glenn, Key Advantage Bills
OL Advantage Dallas not by much (remember Bills were what 3-13 in 2001, was it 1-15 in 2000) that team was horrific pre Bledsoe - right Miki?
Bledsoe came here for 3 reasons
Win Super Bowl
Parcells
We had the weapons in placeyou got 2 of 3 right
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