Hutch on FOX now

[Kevlee06]

Dont know if you guys get it in your area, but Hutch and the Rhein Fire are on FOX. I'm in Philly so hopefully you guys are getting it to.

[RatisBeast]

Thanks kev, just turned it on and saw it.

[kmp77]

Nice fumble by Hutch.

[Hostile]

Dont know if you guys get it in your area, but Hutch and the Rhein Fire are on FOX. I'm in Philly so hopefully you guys are getting it to.
Okay this is my very first NFLE game.

I had no idea they have the Cowboys star on the back of Hutch's helmet and in he middle of jersey at the neckline.

[Kevlee06]

he fumbled? I looked away for a second.

[David]

Get off the phone B. Johnson. Let's watch and hear the game. :rolleyes:

[genghiskhan]

He's got a good arm and he can make most passes.

But, he has no sense of when the pressure is coming, and he fumbles way too much. And because of that he looks terrible.

In other words, nothing has changed. And at this point, it should have.

I believe he has value still, but he'll never be any good if he can't figure out the pass rush. Very disappointing.

[Hostile]

He's got a good arm and he can make most passes.

But, he has no sense of when the pressure is coming, and he fumbles way too much. And because of that he looks terrible.

In other words, nothing has changed. And at this point, it should have.

I believe he has value still, but he'll never be any good if he can't figure out the pass rush. Very disappointing.
I'll agree with that. The passes are good. The mechanics are good. The fumble came on a strip form the blind side, but you still need to know when to get rid of it. All QB have that happen but he sure seems to want to patent it.

I'm not unhappy with what i've seen so far. Nice to see the star on a football uniform. I like that.

[Hostile]

bad mechanics on that pass that went out of bounds.

[CowboysNumeroUno]

Fumble Numero Dos

[Rude]

Another fumble...... to his credit though, he was hit pretty hard this time

[genghiskhan]

I'll agree with that. The passes are good. The mechanics are good. The fumble came on a strip form the blind side, but you still need to know when to get rid of it. All QB have that happen but he sure seems to want to patent it.

I'm not unhappy with what i've seen so far. Nice to see the star on a football uniform. I like that.

He also got sacked on a blitz from the front side earlier in the same drive that he saw, or should have seen, all the way.

I like his arm a lot, but you just can't be an effective qb without some sense of the defensive pressure. He's had that same problem for 2 Nfl seasons and 1 NFLE season now.

[ghettogandhi]

I havent seen a guy get hit this much since the cowboys of 2002-ohhh yeah that was Hutch too- This guy is not giving a fair chance to be successful, he gets hit every other play . From the blindside at that- no qb can be successful when his blind side is left unprotected .
His passes when protected look ok-but not spectacular. If nothing more this will have a good chance for him to grow as a qb and as a leader- we'll see if he benefits in the coming months and next season.

[Hostile]

He also got sacked on a blitz from the front side earlier in the same drive that he saw, or should have seen, all the way.

I like his arm a lot, but you just can't be an effective qb without some sense of the defensive pressure. He's had that same problem for 2 Nfl seasons and 1 NFLE season now.
I am not impressed with his O-line. I didn't see the other sack you speak of.

His arm is fine. How is his head?

Given time he looks fine. That's the problem you don't always have time.

BTW, that last play was not ruled a fumble they said he was down.

[Hostile]

Jeez, the guy had the RB tackled short of the 1st and he threw him past the marker. Idiot. Always push them backwards.

[Hostile]

The WR that made the sideliens catch played for Doug Cosbie. I didn't know he was coaching.

Former Dallas TE.

[jterrell]

I am through judging Hutch.

The team may or may not be through doing so. I have no reason to bash the guy because he may simply be trade bait and even if he isnt he isnt going to be the starter here.

The one stat that was probably the biggest for him coming into NFLE was that he needed to stop fumbling or at least reduce it to near nothing. The fact that stat will be high again(he looks to lead NFLE QBs) is alarming.

Other than the fact he lacks pocket presence he looks like he has great potential. I just dont think there is any way we can see that through to fruition here due to the dufus playing of him as a rookie where we escalated his contract.

Hopefully we learned that lesson and apply it when deciding on playing time for Henson.

[genghiskhan]

I've heard their running game wasn't very good but that Walt Williams looks pretty good in this game.

[Hostile]

I am through judging Hutch.

The team may or may not be through doing so. I have no reason to bash the guy because he may simply be trade bait and even if he isnt he isnt going to be the starter here.

The one stat that was probably the biggest for him coming into NFLE was that he needed to stop fumbling or at least reduce it to near nothing. The fact that stat will be high again(he looks to lead NFLE QBs) is alarming.

Other than the fact he lacks pocket presence he looks like he has great potential. I just dont think there is any way we can see that through to fruition here due to the dufus playing of him as a rookie where we escalated his contract.

Hopefully we learned that lesson and apply it when deciding on playing time for Henson.
I don't like him much personally. I'm not unhappy with what I see when he has time to throw. When he doesn't I am completely unhappy.

[genghiskhan]

The WR that made the sideliens catch played for Doug Cosbie. I didn't know he was coaching.

Former Dallas TE.

I used to love Doug Cosbie.

That was a great catch along to sidelines on a poor, up-for-grabs throw by the backup qb (I forget his name - something with a Z).

[Hostile]

I used to love Doug Cosbie.

That was a great catch along to sidelines on a poor, up-for-grabs throw by the backup qb (I forget his name - something with a Z).
I agree on everything you just said. I loved Doug Cosbie. That was a nice catch and a horrible throw. Zolman from the Bills.

[TheHustler]

is the game still on? its not on fox on the west coast.

[Hostile]

Man this Head Coach makes Mack Brown look like a gambler. Why not take a shot or two at it?

[junk]

Man this Head Coach makes Mack Brown look like a gambler. Why not take a shot or two at it?

Why takes chances with that insurmountable 6 point lead?

[Hostile]

James Brown bringing up Gibbs 6-11 record against Parcells made my day.

Well, until the Lakers win tonight. ;)

[BadKarma]

Very unspectacular effort. I thought he'd look a little more seasoned. With all the blindsiding going on, why can't they adjust the offense to pick that up? :mad:

[Hostile]

His play action fakes have gotten better.

[Hostile]

The announcer is exactly right. Someone should tape that and send the commentary to Hutch. Eyes downfield always.

[followthestar]

i can't believe coslet actually convinced a head coach and a general manager/owner of an nfl team that hutch gave us a better chance to win football games TWO SEASONS AGO!!!!!!! the guy STILL has no clue. this is not QCs third year - its his second since he was screwed out his second season by an old fart i can only assume is also a bigot. that decision to start hutch set this entire team back a whole year, and its unforgiveable! i want to see qc stick it in the faces of all the people who actually thought he had less talent than this bozo playing in europe. qc isn't great, and he may not be the best qb on the roster at this point - but i just want to see justice served. hutch never had near the talent and ability that qc has. even the only score in this game was scored by the backup QB who was in because hutch has no pocket awareness at all!!! he's done for.........

[BadKarma]

, he just fumbled again. This guy is not helping our cause.

[Nors]

, he just fumbled again. This guy is not helping our cause.

A guy who chose baseball over football, failed and 4 years later decided he loved Football today better. Parcells never bought into his scam.


Drew? you are next up

[Tio]

Reciever dropped a sure first down on 4th and 2 after a good run by hutch :mad:

[jay cee]

i can't believe coslet actually convinced a head coach and a general manager/owner of an nfl team that hutch gave us a better chance to win football games TWO SEASONS AGO!!!!!!! the guy STILL has no clue. this is not QCs third year - its his second since he was screwed out his second season by an old fart i can only assume is also a bigot. that decision to start hutch set this entire team back a whole year, and its unforgiveable! i want to see qc stick it in the faces of all the people who actually thought he had less talent than this bozo playing in europe. qc isn't great, and he may not be the best qb on the roster at this point - but i just want to see justice served. hutch never had near the talent and ability that qc has. even the only score in this game was scored by the backup QB who was in because hutch has no pocket awareness at all!!! he's done for.........


Man don't go to the race card. We have too many people on this board that pull that crap out way too often. But I'll bet you have more people that call you out for doing it, then the guy that accused Jean Jacque Taylor of racial bias for an article he thought was a little too easy on Carter.

[cowboy4life]

He's got a good arm and he can make most passes.

But, he has no sense of when the pressure is coming, and he fumbles way too much. And because of that he looks terrible.

In other words, nothing has changed. And at this point, it should have.

I believe he has value still, but he'll never be any good if he can't figure out the pass rush. Very disappointing.


Did you notice that Hutch is throwing passes with just arm. He is not stepping into his throws. The scramble was unexpected, but at this point, I don't see him being any factor for us this year. There have been some dropped passes, but he isn't putting anything on the slant routes.

It would be nice if these announcers talk about the game and the players playing it.

[BadKarma]

Man, this guy is getting creamed...lol. "Get rid of the ball, fool!"

[cowboy4life]

I am through judging Hutch.

The team may or may not be through doing so. I have no reason to bash the guy because he may simply be trade bait and even if he isnt he isnt going to be the starter here.

The one stat that was probably the biggest for him coming into NFLE was that he needed to stop fumbling or at least reduce it to near nothing. The fact that stat will be high again(he looks to lead NFLE QBs) is alarming.

Other than the fact he lacks pocket presence he looks like he has great potential. I just dont think there is any way we can see that through to fruition here due to the dufus playing of him as a rookie where we escalated his contract.

Hopefully we learned that lesson and apply it when deciding on playing time for Henson.


Great points. Hutchinson should have been playing in NFL Europe since he got to the Cowboys. We have no reason to expect Drew Henson to be any different and he needs to be spoon fed into this league. If it were up to me, Henson would be in NFL Europe next year.

[The Great Number 8]

A guy who chose baseball over football, failed and 4 years later decided he loved Football today better. Parcells never bought into his scam.


Drew? you are next up

So, if you fail at baseball and decide you love football after only 3 years, that's somehow better?

[CowboysNumeroUno]

What team is Keith Davis on? I wanna see him play...

[mcnuttz]

And the INT ends the game.....sweet pass Hutchie!!

[cwalk]

And just think alot of you people wanted CH to start over QC last year!I knew CH was'nt sh1t now yall know the same.I wonder how many of you are man enough to admit it?

[jdnalls]

And yet another typical Hutch performance...

Hope you're ready for unemployment Hutch.

[junk]

And just think alot of you people wanted CH to start over QC last year!I knew CH was'nt sh1t now yall know the same.I wonder how many of you are man enough to admit it?

And people wonder why the pro-QC crowd gets grief....

[NorthDalal]

Disclaimer: I have not had faith in Q since the Houston("all the great ones, Staubach Elway etc had games like this") NY( missed wide open AB in the clutch) and Arizona games(3 very poor INTS) in 2002.

Disclaimer II: Hutch's Jacksonville performance gave me hope that he could develop into a QB that could lead us.

Having said this, it's clear today after watching him in 4-5 games in NFLE and noting his rise in play over the last two weeks that he was poised to move up the ladder and establish himself today, something that is necessary with Henson and Testaverde waiting to take slots 2 and 3 in the Cowboy pecking order.

Now I'm ready to see what Henson has got, favor bringing in Vinnie and ride with Quincy as long as is necessary. Rev up that running game,let's go Drew, come on GB sign Couch and say Cleveland might just have an opening for a tall strong-armed QB to replace Couch as a developmental prospect.How about a William Green salary trade over to Dallas for Hutch sound?

I think Hutch's recurring fumble problems and propensity to be sacked is not dissappearing with experience, but his Cowboy career may be.

[Big D]

This really sucks.. Im admittedly a guy who supported qc originally but im not one of those who supported qc and hoped the hutch would fail. I want him to be a good as possible but it doesn't look to good so far. A team is only as good as its weakest link so for ppl to find joy in the fact the hutch is struggling makes me wonder about which team they really support.

Looks like he's dealing with some of the same things from a few years ago... no protection and very little help in the run game. I thought that maybe if hutch showed something in nfle that he could be the #2 guy behind qc while DH develops. It doesn't look like thats going to happen. Hopefully romo will step it up this pre-season.

[ghst187]

And just think alot of you people wanted CH to start over QC last year!I knew CH was'nt sh1t now yall know the same.I wonder how many of you are man enough to admit it?

well here's the deal, I admit that I wanted to see what Hutch could do this past season because I already know that QC isn't ever going to be anything. Everyone knows it except a lot of fans on these boards. BP and JJ know it, which is why they brought in Henson and we'll see if they bring in Testaverde.
I honestly thought Hutch would improve on his presence but he hasn't. He does however possess the capability to make throws unlike QC and Hutch also has a high enough IQ to grasp an offense, unlike Q, which is why I was rooting for him. As it turns out the sad truth is that they both SUCK for different reasons. It would take a Baltimore Ravens Defensive and Rookie of the Year by JJ performances for us go anywhere with Q or Hutch.

Let's get rid of both of them and go with a Testeverde/Henson/Romo competition.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Great points. Hutchinson should have been playing in NFL Europe since he got to the Cowboys. We have no reason to expect Drew Henson to be any different and he needs to be spoon fed into this league. If it were up to me, Henson would be in NFL Europe next year.

Uhh.... no thank you. The only similarity between Hutchinson and Henson is they both played baseball. That's where it stops, Henson is first round talent. Hutchinson was late round garbage. (Although the Cowboys organization tried to spoon a good deal of hype on us about him.)

[Nav22]

Hutchinson was late round garbage. (Although the Cowboys organization tried to spoon a good deal of hype on us about him.)

Actually, I remember seeing a mock 1st round from like '98 or '99 that projected Chad to be a late 1st round pick, in the mid 20s or so.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Actually, I remember seeing a mock 1st round from like '98 or '99 that projected Chad to be a late 1st round pick, in the mid 20s or so.

If Hutchinson had entered the draft the year the Cowboys signed him, he would not be a first round pick. If Henson had entered the draft again this year, he would be a first round pick.

[jterrell]

well here's the deal, I admit that I wanted to see what Hutch could do this past season because I already know that QC isn't ever going to be anything. Everyone knows it except a lot of fans on these boards. BP and JJ know it, which is why they brought in Henson and we'll see if they bring in Testaverde.
I honestly thought Hutch would improve on his presence but he hasn't. He does however possess the capability to make throws unlike QC and Hutch also has a high enough IQ to grasp an offense, unlike Q, which is why I was rooting for him. As it turns out the sad truth is that they both SUCK for different reasons. It would take a Baltimore Ravens Defensive and Rookie of the Year by JJ performances for us go anywhere with Q or Hutch.

Let's get rid of both of them and go with a Testeverde/Henson/Romo competition.

QC already is a starting QB who started on a playoff team. Thats not too bad. How many people can say they have QB'd for a playoff team as a season long starter? What 200? 300? Fairly exclusive fraternity.

Comments like this are as silly as the ones suggesting Hutch failing in some way validates QC. (Tho it does prove Coslet is a bag if that needed any more evidence)

QC has already proven he is a legit NFL QB, regardless of what anyone on this thread feels. BP starting him all 17 games proved that.

We added a QB at the price of a future 3rd? We didnt exactly draft Eli Manning and cut QC now did we? Lets keep the rhetoric in the ballpark of intelligent adults shall we? QC will have another year so nothing says he is done here or anything close to being done.

Call me me-shawn or arrogant or whatever but I will continue to believe that when I addressed the nonsense with Hutch starting and vocally stood behind Qc as the much better QB at the time I gained skins on the wall and credibility. You didnt do that. All you are admitting is you were wrong and are trying to excuse it by blaming someone else.

[jterrell]

If Hutchinson had entered the draft the year the Cowboys signed him, he would not be a first round pick. If Henson had entered the draft again this year, he would be a first round pick.

I would have taken him with a 1st rounder but most mocks had him into round 2. Hard to say for sure where he would have gone but we only gave up a 4th round value for him and I am certian he would have went before then so am estatic about the value of the trade.

I think Henson is far better as a prospect than Harrington, Carr, Boller, Brees.
I'd rate him behind Palmer Vick and Leftwich of the last 3 years drafts and thats it.

I would also rate him a much better prospect than Quincy Carter, who everyone knows I think is a solid, but not exciting, starting QB.

Still he has to prove all his fans correct and disprove any doubters.
I truly believe he is far better than David Carr so expect the Texans to once again fall second class to the Cowboys when this deal shakes out in 2 years or so.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Still he has to prove all his fans correct and disprove any doubters.
I truly believe he is far better than David Carr so expect the Texans to once again fall second class to the Cowboys when this deal shakes out in 2 years or so.

Wouldn't that be a great way to stick it to our cross-state rivals. :D

[Hostile]

Wouldn't that be a great way to stick it to our cross-state rivals. :D
In state rivalries are so funny.

[TruBlueCowboy]

In state rivalries are so funny.

You didn't have to hang out around the water cooler the day after the Cowboys lost to the Texans in their debut. I never heard the end of that one.

[STSINAZ]

HUTCH HASNT GOTTEN ANY BETTER...SAME OLD HUTCH...HE CAN MAKE SOME THROWS BUT REALLY HE STILL DOESNT KNOW WHEN THE PASSRUSH IS COMING...he should be gone soon.

[genghiskhan]

Hutch also has a high enough IQ to grasp an offense, unlike Q.


Why do you say that? What evidence do you have to support that claim? Q outplays Hutch in every way possible in two straight seasons, and yet Hutch's IQ is "high enough" but Q's isn't?

I have a guess as to why you think that...

[big dog cowboy]

For me is it sad to imagine Hutch taking a roster spot from someone. Every year it seems like someone gets cut who I would have liked to keep. Hopefully that won't happen this year because of Hutch. :mad:

[cowboy4life]

Uhh.... no thank you. The only similarity between Hutchinson and Henson is they both played baseball. That's where it stops, Henson is first round talent. Hutchinson was late round garbage. (Although the Cowboys organization tried to spoon a good deal of hype on us about him.)

Drew Henson was first round talent back in 2000. This is 2004. Let's wait until he throws an NFL pass in a game first before we know what he has. We have only a conditional third round pick and $3.5 million signing bonus in this guy. Sending him to Europe this year could have sped him up in his development.

[cowboy4life]

QC already is a starting QB who started on a playoff team. Thats not too bad. How many people can say they have QB'd for a playoff team as a season long starter? What 200? 300? Fairly exclusive fraternity.

Comments like this are as silly as the ones suggesting Hutch failing in some way validates QC. (Tho it does prove Coslet is a bag if that needed any more evidence)

QC has already proven he is a legit NFL QB, regardless of what anyone on this thread feels. BP starting him all 17 games proved that.

We added a QB at the price of a future 3rd? We didnt exactly draft Eli Manning and cut QC now did we? Lets keep the rhetoric in the ballpark of intelligent adults shall we? QC will have another year so nothing says he is done here or anything close to being done.

Call me me-shawn or arrogant or whatever but I will continue to believe that when I addressed the nonsense with Hutch starting and vocally stood behind Qc as the much better QB at the time I gained skins on the wall and credibility. You didnt do that. All you are admitting is you were wrong and are trying to excuse it by blaming someone else.


Hutch being given the starting quarterback job in 2002 after Carter's worst game as a pro just showed how much Jerry Jones ran this team in the ground. Instead of developing the starting quarterback, he let Bruce Coslet take over this team and etc. We were set back a year because of that. But at least, it brought us Parcells.

[twa]

You didn't have to hang out around the water cooler the day after the Cowboys lost to the Texans in their debut. I never heard the end of that one.
I live near Houston and it was pretty ugly .Winning that game made thier season. :(

[twa]

Hutch being given the starting quarterback job in 2002 after Carter's worst game as a pro just showed how much Jerry Jones ran this team in the ground. Instead of developing the starting quarterback, he let Bruce Coslet take over this team and etc. We were set back a year because of that. But at least, it brought us Parcells.
that is the one good thing to come out of it.I was so happy I promised not to question his decisions for two years.