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KingTuna
02-26-2005, 10:06 AM
Say no!!! SIGN LAW!!

Several agents polled Friday expected the Dallas Cowboys to sign Seattle’s Ken Lucas or Washington’s Fred Smoot in free agency. ..

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seahawks/story/4631998p-4299773c.html

Nors
02-26-2005, 10:08 AM
before or after Law was available.

Asklesko
02-26-2005, 10:09 AM
How about we sign Lucas and actually get younger for once? I'm all for that. Law is washed up and injured. He can't play anymore. Forget him.

Duane
02-26-2005, 10:09 AM
Good find. I'd rather have one of the younger guys anyway.

Chuck 54
02-26-2005, 10:09 AM
Personally, I'd rather go younger and healthier....I'd stay away from Law, his age, his injuries, and his big pay day.

Yes, he's one of the best...yes, he deserves the money....but we don't really need him. Any starting caliber CB to pair with Newman will be just fine.

Gaede
02-26-2005, 10:10 AM
Either way, there are a lot of options again this year.

I'd be happy with Law, Lucas, Rolle, Smoot or Henry.

Just don't sit on your *** again Jerry

Qwickdraw
02-26-2005, 10:12 AM
Smoot is ignorant. I hope we don't sign that clown.

boysfanindc
02-26-2005, 10:17 AM
Law coming off foot problems, being 31, I am not sure if even at this point he is a better CB then Smoot. But even if he is marginally better then Smoot. For how much longer will he be, my bet is not very long. Can you say Bobby Taylor? 30 something corner coming off a injury.

If we are going to tie up this amount of money, let's at least get a guy who could finish the contract and not cause us cap problems because he can't.

Cbz40
02-26-2005, 10:18 AM
Good poll..........................I like bringing in the youger player.....Then again I like the experience and leadership a Law beings to a team.

Bill will do whats best. :)

In Bill we trust

Tobal
02-26-2005, 10:18 AM
Smoot played well under the new rules, he's young and it would piss off the skins

JackMagist
02-26-2005, 10:19 AM
Either way, there are a lot of options again this year.

I'd be happy with Law, Lucas, Rolle, Smoot or Henry.

Just don't sit on your *** again JerryI'd be happy with Baxter, Lucas, Rolle, Smoot or Henry. And I agree, Jerry get off you butt and sign one of the guys under 30 (the farther under 30 the better).

Waffle
02-26-2005, 10:19 AM
Good find. I'd rather have one of the younger guys anyway.So would I. Law would be ok if we can get him at a bargain.

However, Nors' question is valid. Were those rumors about Lucas or Smoot heard BEFORE Law's release?

cowheel
02-26-2005, 10:20 AM
before or after Law was available.
I'm not fully understanding why everyone is so hard pressed to sign a 31/32 year old CB in Ty Law over some younger solid corners.

Sure I think he's a great player - and I woudn't be upset if we signed him.

But think about this:
NE just won a Super Bowl with a bunch of backups and a 30+ year old WR in their secondary.
...any chance that the NE scheme which produces WAY more pressure on QBs than we could dream of.... could be enhancing the skills of a guy like Ty Law?

With the direction this team is goin', I think I'd rather sign a young guy who can give us at least 4-5 years of good play than an overpriced vet that is on the verge of hitting that proverbial brick wall.

No - I don't think Lucas OR Smoot are as good as Ty Law today...
but 1-2 years down the road.................

boysfanindc
02-26-2005, 10:20 AM
Smoot is an ignorant punk. I hope we don't sign that clown.

Please explain to me how he is as you say a ignorant punk. I love how some people just throw crap out there.

Smoot is a team leader, who's teamates love him. He has been a class act the last 2 years in DC.

He was the leader on the skins #2 rated D last year.

Doomsday
02-26-2005, 10:21 AM
How about we sign Lucas and actually get younger for once? I'm all for that. Law is washed up and injured. He can't play anymore. Forget him.

Im with you on that one. Plus everytime I see Lucas he simply makes plays. Something sorely lacking in Dallas' secondary.

The30YardSlant
02-26-2005, 10:23 AM
I would love to get Smoot for several reasons:

1: He didnt give up a TD ALL YEAR last season and that was with the new rules.

2: He is still very young and will only get better.

3: It would really piss of the Redskins. :D

Wolverine
02-26-2005, 10:23 AM
How about we sign Lucas and actually get younger for once? I'm all for that. Law is washed up and injured. He can't play anymore. Forget him.


And that is exactly why Law will be a Cowboy. He is is washed up and injured and really cant play anymore......he is a Parcells Guy.

TDHND
02-26-2005, 10:23 AM
My choice would be Rolle.

NicholasD
02-26-2005, 10:24 AM
I'm not fully understanding why everyone is so hard pressed to sign a 31/32 year old CB in Ty Law over some younger solid corners.

Because his name is Ty Law, duh.

Waffle
02-26-2005, 10:27 AM
And that is exactly why Law will be a Cowboy. He is is washed up and injured and really cant play anymore......he is a Parcells Guy.
Dammitt, where's my flyswatter??

NicholasD
02-26-2005, 10:28 AM
And that is exactly why Law will be a Cowboy. He is is washed up and injured and really cant play anymore......he is a Parcells Guy.

The same way Keyshawn, Campbell, Glenn, and Anderson were all washed up and couldn't play right? Er...sorry I shouldn't let you know, facts get in the way of your Parcells bashing.

AmarilloCowboyFan
02-26-2005, 10:31 AM
I would love to get Smoot for several reasons:

1: He didnt give up a TD ALL YEAR last season and that was with the new rules.

2: He is still very young and will only get better.

3: It would really piss of the Redskins. :D

3 very good reasons. Especially the pissing off the 'Skins part. I would love to see the meltdown at Extreme( especially from Smoot21 )

cowheel
02-26-2005, 10:32 AM
Because his name is Ty Law, duh.
I guess we signed Eddie George because his name was Eddie George.

That worked out great.
And HE wasn't coming off a season ending injury...

Way too many options out there this year to sign OLD corners.

JackMagist
02-26-2005, 10:33 AM
The same way Keyshawn, Campbell, Glenn, and Anderson were all washed up and couldn't play right? Er...sorry I shouldn't let you know, facts get in the way of your Parcells bashing.More like the way Testaverde was washed up last year. And as far as I know Campbell had never played for Parcells before coming here so technically he was not a Parcells guy. Glenn is old and was injured most of last year and that is likely to continue so yes he is near washed up if not completely. So what was that you were saying about facts?

Fan Since 77
02-26-2005, 10:34 AM
This post is a lie.
It's obvious that the Cowboys are not going after younger corners when Law is available. How would Parcells be able to trust the younger, inexperienced corner over Ty Law?

NicholasD
02-26-2005, 10:37 AM
More like the way Testaverde was washed up last year. And as far as I know Campbell had never played for Parcells before coming here so technically he was not a Parcells guy. Glenn is old and was injured most of last year and that is likely to continue so yes he is near washed up if not completely. So want was that you were saying about facts?

You want facts? The only "Parcells guy" that didn't contribute last year was Vinny, but yet Keyshawn, Glenn, and Anderson all get categorized with him in the Worthless department. Glenn was arguably the Cowboys best receiver last year before he went down and to say that he is "near" washed up is a moot point anyway.

Hollywood Henderson
02-26-2005, 10:45 AM
I like the Henry guy, young, upside, good size AND play making ability and a close relationship wiuth our new DB coach...

I like Law, but I question his health at this stage...

Cbz40
02-26-2005, 10:52 AM
I'll state a fact.....the older a player gets he then becomes more prone to injury .

Another fact..........it's difficult to contribute if you can't play.

Wolverine
02-26-2005, 10:56 AM
You want facts? The only "Parcells guy" that didn't contribute last year was Vinny, but yet Keyshawn, Glenn, and Anderson all get categorized with him in the Worthless department. Glenn was arguably the Cowboys best receiver last year before he went down and to say that he is "near" washed up is a moot point anyway.

Glenn still got injured and was out for most of the year. so he didnt do much. Key did ok. Nothin special but I would still rather have AB here instead cuz we would have a young WR whose best days are ahead of him instead of bein behind like with Key. Anderson. What did he do except just waste time that coulda ben used for Reshard Lee.

Tio
02-26-2005, 11:06 AM
That is what I like to hear, Id like to build up a young nucleas in the secondary ala the eagles and ride them for years!

boysfanindc
02-26-2005, 11:07 AM
Well, I will let the statement speak for itself. !:eek:

Tio
02-26-2005, 11:12 AM
I've seen smoot get burned too much by our marginal recievers to seriously consider him as an option...

boysfanindc
02-26-2005, 11:23 AM
Sounds like you are a real class act.

Yeagermeister
02-26-2005, 11:26 AM
I wouldn't mind Smoot or Lucas. I'd perfer Lucus and then sign Law to be a FS.

Fletch
02-26-2005, 11:27 AM
Go with the younger CB in Lucas or Smoot. Either one would be an instant upgrade. And both probably haven't reached their full potential. Hopefully that will be in Dallas.

big dog cowboy
02-26-2005, 11:35 AM
And that is exactly why Law will be a Cowboy. He is is washed up and injured and really cant play anymore......he is a Parcells Guy.
I love the Zimmer thing, I hate the Parcell's Guy thing.

JohnsKey19
02-26-2005, 11:44 AM
Sure, we hate Redskins and have seen Smoot get burned by AB over the years, but the guy still would be a huge upgrade. I live in DC and can tell you Smoot probably was the most respected and liked Redskin over the past 2 seasons. He plays hard, plays thru injury and seemed to really raise his game last season in Champ's absence.

Law scares me a bit. He's obviously proven as a top 5 CB. But he is 31 coming off serious foot injury. I don't want to pay a guy his age playing the CB position top dollar at 4-5 years he's probably going to command. If we can get him signed to a reasonable deal, fine. If not, I'd prefer to go younger with Lucas, Smoot or Henry. I'm not sold on Baxter at all.

Yeagermeister
02-26-2005, 11:53 AM
The best reason of all to sign Smoot is these guys will really be pissed
http://img148.exs.cx/img148/8903/dtc8zv.jpg :D

dbair1967
02-26-2005, 11:55 AM
Either way, there are a lot of options again this year.

I'd be happy with Law, Lucas, Rolle, Smoot or Henry.

Just don't sit on your *** again Jerry

I'd add Dyson to that list too

David

Mattsdad
02-26-2005, 12:25 PM
Just don't see how we can go after Smoot.....when it seems as if every time we play the Redskins, we pick on him....and have success. Doesn't make sense to me, but what the hell do I know :confused:

ghettogandhi
02-26-2005, 12:34 PM
Either way, there are a lot of options again this year.

I'd be happy with Law, Lucas, Rolle, Smoot or Henry.

Just don't sit on your *** again Jerry
couldnt have said it better-

just dont sit on your *** again.

Falcon
02-26-2005, 01:47 PM
What are the chances we could get Lucas and Law? Play Law at FS and Lucas at CB. A defensive backfield of Law, Williams, Lucas and Newman would be rather awesome. Law 's contract would have to be rather friendly though Iexpect.

EveryoneElse
02-26-2005, 01:54 PM
What are the chances we could get Lucas and Law? Play Law at FS and Lucas at CB. A defensive backfield of Law, Williams, Lucas and Newman would be rather awesome. Law 's contract would have to be rather friendly though Iexpect.

This is what I've been thinking about. I'm not sure how much longer Law can be a decent CB, but as athletic as he is, you would think he could make the transition to safety rather easily and we could sign a younger CB to go with Newman.

I doubt this happens, but I have thought about this too.

HTownCowboysFan
02-26-2005, 01:55 PM
Good find. I'd rather have one of the younger guys anyway.


I totally agree. Get a young guy you can count on for several years. While I believe Law can play, for how long? He has injury concerns as well.

Law is yet another example of people wanting to sign a "name" guy.

ABQCOWBOY
02-26-2005, 02:01 PM
What are the chances we could get Lucas and Law? Play Law at FS and Lucas at CB. A defensive backfield of Law, Williams, Lucas and Newman would be rather awesome. Law 's contract would have to be rather friendly though Iexpect.

I think anybody who expects Law to sign better be ready to put out some big dollars. Why would we pay a FS top CB money to come and play FS? That really doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.

Duane
02-26-2005, 02:01 PM
I totally agree. Get a young guy you can count on for several years. While I believe Law can play, for how long? He has injury concerns as well.

Law is yet another example of people wanting to sign a "name" guy.
And when healthy Law might be a better player than either Smoot or Lucas but do you take that chance? I personally wouldn't. If Law comes back and plays like Darrell Green for another five years, oh well stuff happens.

Bullet22
02-26-2005, 02:32 PM
Rather have Lucas, he is a big corner...and has a nose for ints..

CaptainComeback
02-26-2005, 03:56 PM
I'm not fully understanding why everyone is so hard pressed to sign a 31/32 year old CB in Ty Law over some younger solid corners.

Sure I think he's a great player - and I woudn't be upset if we signed him.

But think about this:
NE just won a Super Bowl with a bunch of backups and a 30+ year old WR in their secondary.
...any chance that the NE scheme which produces WAY more pressure on QBs than we could dream of.... could be enhancing the skills of a guy like Ty Law?

With the direction this team is goin', I think I'd rather sign a young guy who can give us at least 4-5 years of good play than an overpriced vet that is on the verge of hitting that proverbial brick wall.

No - I don't think Lucas OR Smoot are as good as Ty Law today...
but 1-2 years down the road.................

Very Valid point. However, Law was an elite corner before Belichick became the HC at NE.

Cajuncowboy
02-26-2005, 03:59 PM
Give me Lucas.

But if I can't have him then give me Law.

I ain't crazy about the money he's going to want and I sure ain't crazy about those putzs he has for agents but he is a very good CB and will help us tremendously.

Plus he could move to FS in a year or so and we could get Roy back to where he needs to be. At SS.

VirusX
02-26-2005, 03:59 PM
I hope its lucas we dont know how Law's foot is and I dont know about smoot hes been kindof iffy. He appeared to be good in his 2nd season but im just not sure he will pay off.

ghettogandhi
02-26-2005, 06:38 PM
alright guys here is the skinny on the skins- I live in Maryland- 5 miles from dc.

Smoot has progressed into an all pro caliber cornerback- how much of this has to do with the overall defense - which was top 5 in the league- Im not sure

what I do know is this- he rarely gets beat deep- he is always looking back for the ball, he has good man to man skills, good tackler in the open field, good open field recovery speed and is a hard nosed competitor-

He will be an asset both on and off the field for any team he goes to- he has a brash,confidence about him that is contagious

The guy is a very good corner- I say do everything we can to sign him

My priority for available corners - given all variables( including asking price,age, skill, injuries etc)

1) smoot
2) woodson
3) law
4) lucas
5) baxter

possibles
Surtain- quality corner on back end of career like law

2233boys
02-26-2005, 06:55 PM
I'd take, Smoot or Lucas in a heartbeat.

:)

Also wouldn't mind a little, COles, and McKenzie thrown into the mix, with a honest to goodness, DT and DE signed all before the draft..

S. Fla Sting
02-26-2005, 07:05 PM
Id rather have Lucas, I think hes a better cover corner than Smoot. Smoot just seems to be too weak physically to cover a WR that weighs more than 190. Law is a little long in the tooth, hes 31. And Law will cost us alot of $.