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HipHop
02-27-2005, 07:55 AM
I've never really had an opinion on this kid, other than reading the headlines and thinking he was another young, immature, malcontent.

But I just saw him talking to Rich Eisen and Terrel Davis on NFL Total Access, and I have to say I was really impressed.

I hope we're able to grab this kid with our 4th rounder. I think he'd be great to have with Julius Jones as a good 1-2 punch, or even injury insurance.

TRIPLETS
02-27-2005, 07:59 AM
I've never really had an opinion on this kid, other than reading the headlines and thinking he was another young, immature, malcontent.

But I just saw him talking to Rich Eisen and Terrel Davis on NFL Total Access, and I have to say I was really impressed.

I hope we're able to grab this kid with our 4th rounder. I think he'd be great to have with Julius Jones as a good 1-2 punch, or even injury insurance.finally someone who has heart and some sense{and some nu**ts} if you take him in the 4th.lol.anyway im pulling for the kid because everyone is talking real bad about him.i got his back,bless him.

wxcpo
02-27-2005, 08:03 AM
Count me as another Clarett supporter. The kid makes one lousy mistakes and many are ready to label him a loser and bust. I'm hoping he does real well in his personal workout on March 8th and someone gives him a chance and he proves all the naysayers wrong.

Priest Holmes never had a season at Texas like Clarett did at Ohio State. He tore his ACL his senior year, lost his starting job to Ricky Williams (because of the injury) and only ran the ball 59 times the next year when he came back from the injury. At the NFL combine he ran a 4.75 and was an UDFA. I think his career has turned out pretty well.

adbutcher
02-27-2005, 08:04 AM
I've never really had an opinion on this kid, other than reading the headlines and thinking he was another young, immature, malcontent.

But I just saw him talking to Rich Eisen and Terrel Davis on NFL Total Access, and I have to say I was really impressed.

I hope we're able to grab this kid with our 4th rounder. I think he'd be great to have with Julius Jones as a good 1-2 punch, or even injury insurance.
I tell you what, if there is anything to this kid at all, a lot of people will regret not picking him.

The combine is a defining moment for him much like the adversity Michael Jordan faced when he was cut or Emmitt getting looked over because he lacked idea speed and size.

If he has heart it could spur him to reach his full potential and from what I saw the kid can run, if he has truly changed he could be a great pro.

Hostile
02-27-2005, 08:04 AM
Count me as another Clarett supporter. The kid makes one lousy mistakes and many are ready to label him a loser and bust. I'm hoping he does real well in his personal workout on March 8th and someone gives him a chance and he proves all the naysayers wrong.

Priest Holmes never had a season at Texas like Clarett did at Ohio State. He tore his ACL his senior year, lost his starting job to Ricky Williams (because of the injury) and only ran the ball 59 times the next year when he came back from the injury. At the NFL combine he ran a 4.75 and was an UDFA. I think his career has turned out pretty well.No offense but it was more than 1 mistake causing all of this.

TRIPLETS
02-27-2005, 08:09 AM
Count me as another Clarett supporter. The kid makes one lousy mistakes and many are ready to label him a loser and bust. I'm hoping he does real well in his personal workout on March 8th and someone gives him a chance and he proves all the naysayers wrong.

Priest Holmes never had a season at Texas like Clarett did at Ohio State. He tore his ACL his senior year, lost his starting job to Ricky Williams (because of the injury) and only ran the ball 59 times the next year when he came back from the injury. At the NFL combine he ran a 4.75 and was an UDFA. I think his career has turned out pretty well.thats what alot of people dont understand,40 times and speed on the field dont tell the whole story.hes a good football player, period.

HTownCowboysFan
02-27-2005, 08:09 AM
I hope we're able to grab this kid with our 4th rounder. I think he'd be great to have with Julius Jones as a good 1-2 punch, or even injury insurance.

This is a joke, right? Tongue and cheek?

wxcpo
02-27-2005, 08:10 AM
Ok he did lie to the police about the contents of his car and he lied to NCAA investigators when the NCAA was investigating Ohio State. Anything else I might be missing?

lkelly
02-27-2005, 08:10 AM
It's good to see that the Clarett family found this message board. Tell Maurice to go ahead and plan to go fishing on the 23rd of August. He won't have any other conflicts on his schedule.

TRIPLETS
02-27-2005, 08:13 AM
It's good to see that the Clarett family found this message board. Tell Maurice to go ahead and plan to go fishing on the 23rd of August. He won't have any other conflicts on his schedule.lol,but you will eat those words.it reminds me of last year all the scouts were so down on terrel suggs,can you hear me now, hello?hello?

jterrell
02-27-2005, 08:19 AM
Clarett has issues.
He has off-field issues that show he lacks maturity.
He has personal follow through issues as he stopped working out after the bad 40 times.
He has on field issues as he doesnt appear to be in good shape.
He couldnt stay healthy in his 1 college season.

If Clarett was a long time starter in college or a guy like Holmes that simply got injured I would gladly draft him after a bad run. I liked Terrell Suggs a lot after even the pedestrian 40s.

BUT Clarett had other issue and lacking speed is not a good thing to add to the mix.

If you take Clarett in round 4 you are giving away the pick because he will be there in round 6.

Clarett could have played in Canada, played somewhere/anywhere when he was booted out of the NCAAs, he coulda been supportive of OSU instead of making public all the nonsense that has been going on. It was all wrong but when he was benefitting it was all good.

big dog cowboy
02-27-2005, 08:20 AM
Ok he did lie to the police about the contents of his car and he lied to NCAA investigators when the NCAA was investigating Ohio State. Anything else I might be missing?

OK you asked for it..............

He certainly didn't make any teams think about drafting him in a big-money slot. Instead, he claimed he aced the interview sessions with the teams, then bungled the physical stuff.

``A lot of coaches said I was a lot more humble and approachable,'' he said. ``I thought they'd ask a lot more about what happened in the past.''

Such as challenging the league's draft rules in court, winning early, then seeing an appellate court overturn the decision, making him ineligible for the 2004 selections after he missed the '03 season under Ohio State suspension.

Or pleading guilty to lying on a police report after claiming $10,000 in merchandise was stolen from his car.

Or accepting benefits in college to which he was not entitled.

Or accusing Ohio State of arranging for a no-work job and providing improper academic aid.

Or showing up unprepared for last year's combine.

Or not playing football in '04, either.

Those things are on his resume, however. So is his spotty workout Saturday in which he skipped several drills after his slow run.

jterrell
02-27-2005, 08:21 AM
lol,but you will eat those words.it reminds me of last year all the scouts were so down on terrel suggs,can you hear me now, hello?hello?
Take a deep breath.
Relax, Relate, Release.

Terrell Suggs had career sack records. He had a career to be proud of and was not really a question mark.

His slow 40s dropped him from top to mid first not out of the draft altogether.

The two are not the same.

TRIPLETS
02-27-2005, 08:21 AM
Clarett has issues.
He has off-field issues that show he lacks maturity.
He has personal follow through issues as he stopped working out after the bad 40 times.
He has on field issues as he doesnt appear to be in good shape.
He couldnt stay healthy in his 1 college season.

If Clarett was a long time starter in college or a guy like Holmes that simply got injured I would gladly draft him after a bad run. I liked Terrell Suggs a lot after even the pedestrian 40s.

BUT Clarett had other issue and lacking speed is not a good thing to add to the mix.

If you take Clarett in round 4 you are giving away the pick because he will be there in round 6.

Clarett could have played in Canada, played somewhere/anywhere when he was booted out of the NCAAs, he coulda been supportive of OSU instead of making public all the nonsense that has been going on. It was all wrong but when he was benefitting it was all good.is it ...is that you..wow, you sound just like the ohio state dean.lol

Hostile
02-27-2005, 08:23 AM
OK you asked for it..............

He certainly didn't make any teams think about drafting him in a big-money slot. Instead, he claimed he aced the interview sessions with the teams, then bungled the physical stuff.

``A lot of coaches said I was a lot more humble and approachable,'' he said. ``I thought they'd ask a lot more about what happened in the past.''

Such as challenging the league's draft rules in court, winning early, then seeing an appellate court overturn the decision, making him ineligible for the 2004 selections after he missed the '03 season under Ohio State suspension.

Or pleading guilty to lying on a police report after claiming $10,000 in merchandise was stolen from his car.

Or accepting benefits in college to which he was not entitled.

Or accusing Ohio State of arranging for a no-work job and providing improper academic aid.

Or showing up unprepared for last year's combine.

Or not playing football in '04, either.

Those things are on his resume, however. So is his spotty workout Saturday in which he skipped several drills after his slow run.:hammer:

jterrell
02-27-2005, 08:32 AM
is it ...is that you..wow, you sound just like the ohio state dean.lol
At some point adults all sound the same to kids. lol. Just messing with you.

Clarett is an interesting case. He did sound humble on NFL Network.
He just doesn't sound that serious about football beyond it being a paycheck.

He has been so focussed on making the NFL when he should have been IMHO been focussed on playing football.

OSU is in my ten least favorite college football teams. I never want to Dallas to draft another guy from that cesspool. We have had failure after failure from there. Derek Ross, The fat fullback Sualua who was with Tui when he died, Wiley, racist idiot Walter. I am not sure where the list stops.


What would impress me is if Clarett says, "Guys I just wanna play football. I may not have been blessed with track speed but my gameday speed is certianly good and I want to show people I can play football. I have been away from the game so long it is killing me. Advisors have been telling to focus on getting drafted but I just want to play football even if it is sandlot stuff."

zack
02-27-2005, 08:37 AM
thats what alot of people dont understand,40 times and speed on the field dont tell the whole story.hes a good football player, period.

A 40 time doesn't mean everything, but if he was a RB out of a DII school, he wouldn't even be looked at. For that matter a top notch RB from a DII school that has all the physical tools and runs a 4.4 doesn't get a chance. I don't feel sorry for him. I'd rather see another young guy with more tools from a small school get a chance.

He could bulk up to become a FB and then he could get a chance.

wxcpo
02-27-2005, 08:44 AM
OK you asked for it..............

He certainly didn't make any teams think about drafting him in a big-money slot. Instead, he claimed he aced the interview sessions with the teams, then bungled the physical stuff.

``A lot of coaches said I was a lot more humble and approachable,'' he said. ``I thought they'd ask a lot more about what happened in the past.''

Such as challenging the league's draft rules in court, winning early, then seeing an appellate court overturn the decision, making him ineligible for the 2004 selections after he missed the '03 season under Ohio State suspension.

Or pleading guilty to lying on a police report after claiming $10,000 in merchandise was stolen from his car.

Or accepting benefits in college to which he was not entitled.

Or accusing Ohio State of arranging for a no-work job and providing improper academic aid.

Or showing up unprepared for last year's combine.

Or not playing football in '04, either.

Those things are on his resume, however. So is his spotty workout Saturday in which he skipped several drills after his slow run.

God forbid, he challenged the NFL's draft rules. Is that really a crime? Where would MLB be today if players such as Curt Flood didn't stand up and challenge rules they thought unfair?

Yes he did lie to the police, I'm sure he isn't the only college player to ever do that, or for that matter the only teenager to ever do it.

Accepting benefits in college yes he did, but again, most players probably do the same.

Oh I happen to believe Clarett when he accusses Ohio State of the things he accusses them of. Ohio State is a a big time college program that needs star players to keep it going and keep those millions of dollars churning in. If you believe a school such Ohio State or most other big time college schools aren't providing benefits to their star athletes then your lying to yourself.

At least he showed up for the combine. What about guys who refuse to show up or when they do show up they only do certain portions for the scouts? How come these guys are allowed free passes and aren't judged?

Lets see we have Drew Henson on our roster who played baseball for 3 years and only played 8 games in college. Most people want him to be our starter. Antonio Gates didn't even play college football.

Please show me something real that should show that this kid is indeed a loser and has absolutely no shot of being a good NFL player.

Shotgun Dave
02-27-2005, 08:46 AM
This is a joke, right? Tongue and cheek?

Do you mean, "Tongue IN cheek"?

TRIPLETS
02-27-2005, 08:47 AM
A 40 time doesn't mean everything, but if he was a RB out of a DII school, he wouldn't even be looked at. For that matter a top notch RB from a DII school that has all the physical tools and runs a 4.4 doesn't get a chance. I don't feel sorry for him. I'd rather see another young guy with more tools from a small school get a chance.

He could bulk up to become a FB and then he could get a chance.its so funny to see all these negative responses because when he was playing he was hands down heisman.unfortunate injury,blatently crooked program[o.u.]fractions of a SECOND on a trial run and now hes a loser.thers no underdog in your blood?most of you must have became cowboy fans after the 1st of 3 bowls in the 90's.i root for the underdog baby,think >>cowboy fan since danny white was punting.

dbair1967
02-27-2005, 08:48 AM
I tell you what, if there is anything to this kid at all, a lot of people will regret not picking him.

The combine is a defining moment for him much like the adversity Michael Jordan faced when he was cut or Emmitt getting looked over because he lacked idea speed and size.

If he has heart it could spur him to reach his full potential and from what I saw the kid can run, if he has truly changed he could be a great pro.

I think I'll puke if I see one more person have Emmitt Smith in the same conversation with Maurice Clarett

David

dbair1967
02-27-2005, 08:51 AM
It's good to see that the Clarett family found this message board. Tell Maurice to go ahead and plan to go fishing on the 23rd of August. He won't have any other conflicts on his schedule.

I agree

:D

LOL

David

jterrell
02-27-2005, 09:01 AM
God forbid, he challenged the NFL's draft rules. Is that really a crime? Where would MLB be today if players such as Curt Flood didn't stand up and challenge rules they thought unfair?

Yes he did lie to the police, I'm sure he isn't the only college player to ever do that, or for that matter the only teenager to ever do it.

Accepting benefits in college yes he did, but again, most players probably do the same.

Oh I happen to believe Clarett when he accusses Ohio State of the things he accusses them of. Ohio State is a a big time college program that needs star players to keep it going and keep those millions of dollars churning in. If you believe a school such Ohio State or most other big time college schools aren't providing benefits to their star athletes then your lying to yourself.

At least he showed up for the combine. What about guys who refuse to show up or when they do show up they only do certain portions for the scouts? How come these guys are allowed free passes and aren't judged?

Lets see we have Drew Henson on our roster who played baseball for 3 years and only played 8 games in college. Most people want him to be our starter. Antonio Gates didn't even play college football.

Please show me something real that should show that this kid is indeed a loser and has absolutely no shot of being a good NFL player.

A few notes.

Clarett did all that in 1 year of college.
He didnt enroll at another school, he simply sat out.
Clarett has issues beyond the average kid and even average football player.

Is Baseball better for the nonsense of letting 18 year olds get drafted? Are the 18 year olds who sign contracts? No and No. 90% of all baseball draft picks never make the major leagues and never make a big contract. They do lose out on college scholarships.

Who was the last guy considered an undrafted free agent type that was any good? Who was the last decent running back who ran 4.8s?

If you believe in Clarett then put your money behind him. Offer to front him cash now for a return when he gets a big contract in a couple of years. Just dont ask him for the cash if he doesnt make it big because he will turn you in to authorities as an extortionist after spending all your cash.

zack
02-27-2005, 09:01 AM
its so funny to see all these negative responses because when he was playing he was hands down heisman.unfortunate injury,blatently crooked program[o.u.]fractions of a SECOND on a trial run and now hes a loser.thers no underdog in your blood?most of you must have became cowboy fans after the 1st of 3 bowls in the 90's.i root for the underdog baby,think >>cowboy fan since danny white was punting.

Look, all big colleges are crooked. I never called the guy a loser. He's not a loser. My point was that there is a lot of talent out there that deserve a chance that don't have the avenues because of a small school.

I do like the underdog as well. Unfortunately, the NFL has their standards for individuals to play. For example, I played DII college ball. (I know I didn't have a chance to play in the NFL) I ran a heck of a lot faster time than Clarett did, but I didn't weigh 215 and I am not 6'3". How many chances does a guy that fits that bill get an opportunity to show off at the combine?

So, he may have been good a few years ago with a star studed team surrounding him, but he missed out and let's let the next DII player take his spot. So I don't feel bad for him.

Finally, I am sure that all of us are die hard fans. Trust me, I wouldn't have flown to Dallas to see that Monday night game against Philly if I wasn't!

big dog cowboy
02-27-2005, 09:06 AM
Please show me something real that should show that this kid is indeed a loser and has absolutely no shot of being a good NFL player.
4.7+ in the 40. As I mentioned yesterday, RB's that run that slow go to Europe and are then camp fodder. Todays game is built on speed and either you have it or you don't.

TRIPLETS
02-27-2005, 09:09 AM
Look, all big colleges are crooked. I never called the guy a loser. He's not a loser. My point was that there is a lot of talent out there that deserve a chance that don't have the avenues because of a small school.

I do like the underdog as well. Unfortunately, the NFL has their standards for individuals to play. For example, I played DII college ball. (I know I didn't have a chance to play in the NFL) I ran a heck of a lot faster time than Clarett did, but I didn't weigh 215 and I am not 6'3". How many chances does a guy that fits that bill get an opportunity to show off at the combine?

So, he may have been good a few years ago with a star studed team surrounding him, but he missed out and let's let the next DII player take his spot. So I don't feel bad for him.

Finally, I am sure that all of us are die hard fans. Trust me, I wouldn't have flown to Dallas to see that Monday night game against Philly if I wasn't!no disrespect i know your a die hard but you have to realize your talking out of your own selfishness for how good you were,i feel you ,wish you could have had that shot but understand im on your side as you were the underdog too you should be backing this kid.sure he made mistakes but if you REALLY watched him play and this goes for anyone who reads it.that 40 time doesnt matter that kid can play.i watched him several times.if anyone is to sit here and tell me because of his 40 time hes not an nfl player-you didnt watch him or YOU DONT KNOW FOOTBALL...not directed at you of course z-man

wxcpo
02-27-2005, 09:12 AM
A few notes.
Who was the last guy considered an undrafted free agent type that was any good? Who was the last decent running back who ran 4.8s?

If you believe in Clarett then put your money behind him. Offer to front him cash now for a return when he gets a big contract in a couple of years. Just dont ask him for the cash if he doesnt make it big because he will turn you in to authorities as an extortionist after spending all your cash.

Clarett's second 40 time was 4.72. So as for your question I would have to say Priest Holmes was the last. He ran a 4.75 at the combine and was un UDFA. Pretty damn good RB wouldn't you say? Also remember a kid named Larry Brown that played corner for the Cowboys and was SBXXX MVP? He was drafted in the 12th round of the 1991 draft, the 320th player selected overall. He wouldn't even be considered in today's NFL draft where they only pick for 7 rounds and ~260 players. He turned out alright for being a mere roster filler wouldn't you say?

As for your last paragraph thanks for saving me. Glad you know the guy so well that you could share with me your personal expertise about him and I don't have to worry about making a life altering mistake.

wxcpo
02-27-2005, 09:13 AM
4.7+ in the 40. As I mentioned yesterday, RB's that run that slow go to Europe and are then camp fodder. Todays game is built on speed and either you have it or you don't.

Hmmmm Priest Holmes would have an arguement there.

JackMagist
02-27-2005, 09:19 AM
BTW there was another report yesterday about Clarett in the verticle leap. I didn't see this one myself but the report was that he did the verticle at the Combine and could not even reach the bottom marker (everyone reaches the bottom marker). If this...kid...wants to play in the NFL he has to show some athleticism at some point. He has about two weeks to get himself ready to impress whoever actually shows up for his workout because so far he has impressed no one.

TRIPLETS
02-27-2005, 09:21 AM
Hmmmm Priest Holmes would have an arguement there.keep shootin em down cpo

dbair1967
02-27-2005, 09:22 AM
Hmmmm Priest Holmes would have an arguement there.

Priest Holmes has work ethic, Priest Holmes shows commitment, Preist Holmes shows major heart

Clarett shows none of those things

as for the speed thing, Holmes definitely plays faster on the field than what his 40 time was and he is an exceptional all around RB with great pass receiving skills...Clarett caught 12 balls and never looked fast on the playing field in any of the games I saw him play, nor did he look quick or explosive in the ESPN highlights they showed of him the other night

David

wxcpo
02-27-2005, 09:28 AM
BTW there was another report yesterday about Clarett in the verticle leap. I didn't see this one myself but the report was that he did the verticle at the Combine and could not even reach the bottom marker (everyone reaches the bottom marker). If this...kid...wants to play in the NFL he has to show some athleticism at some point. He has about two weeks to get himself ready to impress whoever actually shows up for his workout because so far he has impressed no one.

Please know the facts before you come in here to post another Clarett is a joke post. He jumped up and actually had a good jump. Most people though want to concentrate on his 2nd and 3rd jump when he couldn't reach any. Most players don't hit any on their 2nd and 3rd jump because they reached max height on their 1st jump.

cowboyfan4life_mark
02-27-2005, 09:37 AM
Holmes definitely plays faster on the field than what his 40 time was
Everyone runs faster when you have 11 guys chasing you, I know I would... :D

wxcpo
02-27-2005, 09:45 AM
Priest Holmes has work ethic, Priest Holmes shows commitment, Preist Holmes shows major heart

Clarett shows none of those things

as for the speed thing, Holmes definitely plays faster on the field than what his 40 time was and he is an exceptional all around RB with great pass receiving skills...Clarett caught 12 balls and never looked fast on the playing field in any of the games I saw him play, nor did he look quick or explosive in the ESPN highlights they showed of him the other night

David

Sure Priest Holmes has all of those things now, but not necessarily coming out of college. Priest never had a 1000 yard season in college nor did he help his team win a national championship. If you actually saw Clarett play there's no way you can say he didn't play with intensity and heart, the kid wanted to do nothing but win. Look back at the game against Miami and you can see that. Sean Taylor had intercepted krenzel in the end zone, who was the player that ran him down and stripped the ball away. It was Clarett! Tell me that was heart.

TRIPLETS
02-27-2005, 09:47 AM
Sure Priest Holmes has all of those things now, but not necessarily coming out of college. Priest never had a 1000 yard season in college nor did he help his team win a national championship. If you actually saw Clarett play there's no way you can say he didn't play with intensity and heart, the kid wanted to do nothing but win. Look back at the game against Miami and you can see that. Sean Taylor had intercepted krenzel in the end zone, who was the player that ran him down and stripped the ball away. It was Clarett! Tell me that was heart.dont bother arguing anymore with our cowboy brethren .there is an official clarrett hate thread up.they should go and hate there.

GTaylor
02-27-2005, 09:54 AM
Maurice Clarett was bragging about going pro in his freshman year, check out ESPN the magazine - he boasted about how he was going to stick it to the league.

He got suspended from Ohio State for false reports, he COULD have returned to the team after completing guidelines set forth by the school. However he chose to skip classes and he ending up failing. I don't feel sorry for him here because the instructors went out of their way to try to reach him (And how many instructors in big unversities are willing to do this??)

After his college option was up he sued the NFL, when he won he showed up at the combine with an attitude. As one scout said "He stepped on a lot of toes".

His case was reversed and he appealed, finally losing. Now he's out of options as far as going to the league early.

So what does Clarett do? Make peace with the university so he can practice with the team, the same way Mike Williams did with USC?? No! He goes public and spills the beans about payments and NCAA infractions. True, all schools do it and it's wrong, but just like Canseco Clarett did the ultimate disservice to his peers and it's sport. You can make the moral argument if Clarett was doing it because it was the right thing to do, but let's be honest - he was selfish and threw the school under the bus because he didn't get what he wanted...

...Only to call the school a few weeks later with an offer, send a letter of reccomendation to the NFL in exchange of him retracting everything he said about the school. Ohio State refused.

Now all of a sudden, a few months later after being trained by an attorney he's "mature and a changed" man. Sorry, while I hope it's true - this has all the makings of a leopard whose trying to make you think he's changed his spots, and anyone who thinks he's really matured answer me this - why after a few bad runs did he grab his ball and leave?? I don't know of many mature athletes who quit when things go wrong...

JackMagist
02-27-2005, 09:59 AM
Please know the facts before you come in here to post another Clarett is a joke post. He jumped up and actually had a good jump. Most people though want to concentrate on his 2nd and 3rd jump when he couldn't reach any. Most players don't hit any on their 2nd and 3rd jump because they reached max height on their 1st jump.I did stipulate the qualifier that I did not see it myself. But since you did see it; what was his first "good jump" height?

Skip
02-27-2005, 10:04 AM
I tell you what, if there is anything to this kid at all, a lot of people will regret not picking him.

The combine is a defining moment for him much like the adversity Michael Jordan faced when he was cut or Emmitt getting looked over because he lacked idea speed and size.

If he has heart it could spur him to reach his full potential and from what I saw the kid can run, if he has truly changed he could be a great pro.
IF he came on a draft pick low enough, say like round 6 or 7, I would jump on the chance to see what he can be now. Watching him as a Freshman, he was indeed something special and I don't know if he can get back to that level.

However even if it took a couple of years on the team to blossom, what a catch he would be. I say he may be well worth looking at him as a project.

Not that I don't link JJ, but they would be a heck of a duo or great trade value down the line if they end up both being the kind of back I expect JJ to be.

lkelly
02-27-2005, 10:12 AM
Maurice Clarett just won me over. I'm now firmly in favor of him being the next great running back for the Dallas Desperados. Go after him Jerry!

zagnut
02-27-2005, 10:40 AM
It's unlikely he's seen by agents, or trainers, or nutritionists as a top prospect who they would just bill later or bankroll. He's not a guarantee for anyone. He's still on the bill for last year's specialists. Is it possible he can't afford to train like a top draft choice? The difference between a 4.8 and a 4.6 is a bad start. The difference between a 4.6 and a 4.55 is losing your form at the end. These are not indications of speed.

I would have liked to see him do the other tests as the 4.8 is not his true speed. It mainly means he doesn't run track.

ABQCOWBOY
02-27-2005, 10:56 AM
lol,but you will eat those words.it reminds me of last year all the scouts were so down on terrel suggs,can you hear me now, hello?hello?


One, it wasn't last year and two, Suggs had issues with his numbers, not with the grand jury.

You like this kid, that's up to you. I feel his just a bunch of BS who has finally figured out that even if he is a pompas arse, he can't come off that way at the combines.

I guess Barnum was right, there's one born every day.

Doomsday101
02-27-2005, 11:01 AM
Clarett as a day 2 pick I have no problem with but would not take him in day 1 of the draft. Dallas needs to have a successful day 1 of the draft and Clarett would be too big of a gamble for day 1

Gibby!
02-27-2005, 11:55 AM
His character issues notwithstanding, this is genuine question:

How many of todays top RB's ran faster than a 4.7 40 AT the combine? I'm just curious because it has already been mentioned that Emmitt and Preist didn't. How many of today's top running backs even went to the Combine?

By top Running backs, I mean backs who have finished in the top 10 or 12 in total yards the past 4 or 5 years?

Serious questions, not trying to defend Clarett, I, beleive it or not, have no oppinion of the kid.

Q_the_man
02-27-2005, 12:04 PM
Actually the interview I like that Clarett did was when he said he has alot of humility, he said he looked at himself as a another person not as himself and when he saw his on face on TV, he said he thought he was a Joke, he was 19 trying to get extra money and lied.......

How many people ever lied to the cops, I know I have... or who called in sick from work to go out of town, does that make u a bad person for not only lying to urself but ur Boss...

Man if someone breaks into my car, I would lie to to get extra money.... Yep Officer they took my $3000 sound system knowing I had no radio especially at 19, when ur a star at OSU and broke......

I think Clarett will be a nice pro, he has to much will and I would love to have him in the 4th easy or even the 3rd if we can trade down or up for him...

ghst187
02-27-2005, 12:10 PM
I can't stand the kid but he has serious talent and if anyone could straighten him out, it'd be BP.
He may not do well at the combine but he had GREAT instincts and game speed/moves/etc at Ohio St.
I'd have no problems with taking him in the 5th or later. We also have an affinity for Ohio St players seems like...

Big D
02-27-2005, 01:31 PM
I actually met Maurice a few months back. He seemed to be a cool guy. I almost didnt notice him. I was in an LA studio and he came in with a producer friend I have. I normally dont pay visitors too much attention but when I overheard him talking about his conversations with Keyshawn and Jerry I had to investigate. Anyway, he said that Key was lobbying for him upon his arrival in big D and that Jerry assured him he would be a cowboy.

I really don't follow NCAA football that closely so I didn't probe into his situation too much but he did tell me that he was blowing the whistle on everyone at OSU any chance he got because he felt he was crossed. I'm not sure by who. He says that everyone takes cash from boosters and such but that not everyone gets caught.

From our talk which was an hour or so I noticed one thing, This guy LOVES football. He told me he had been working hard to stay in shape to get ready for what we now know was not a very good day. My brief conversation doesn't really permit me to make a judgement on his character but like I said, he loves football and has alot of confidence that he can play.

Could he have been feeding me a steady stream of bullsh!t? Sure but if he wasn't , then From my perspective this couldn't be a better situation.


Clarrett SuckS!!!!!! ;)

Big Country
02-27-2005, 01:58 PM
I've never really had an opinion on this kid, other than reading the headlines and thinking he was another young, immature, malcontent.

But I just saw him talking to Rich Eisen and Terrel Davis on NFL Total Access, and I have to say I was really impressed.

I hope we're able to grab this kid with our 4th rounder. I think he'd be great to have with Julius Jones as a good 1-2 punch, or even injury insurance.
I totally agree... I remember him from back in his freshman year at OSU and he would fight hard for that two or three yard run. Man with Julius Jones and Maurice Clarett, Dallas would have one helluva thunder and lightning package at RB...
Then go out and upgrade your run defense with a big LB and get Ferguson or Williams for NT and Dallas would be instantly upgraded from last year.

ravidubey
02-27-2005, 08:17 PM
Clarett will be a very good pro.

Derinyar
02-27-2005, 08:40 PM
Clarett is a total unknown. Everyone is saying his measuarbles aren't looking good. His durability is a question mark, as is his commitment. Hes an end of the draft gamble. I personally don't think hes one we need.

Fletch
02-27-2005, 09:42 PM
I definitely wouldn't mind Maurice. The highest I would take Maurice would be the 5th round. If he is there.

royhitshard
02-28-2005, 09:36 AM
Clarett=drugs....just say no!!!!

jman
02-28-2005, 09:54 AM
lol,but you will eat those words.it reminds me of last year all the scouts were so down on terrel suggs,can you hear me now, hello?hello?
Not even close to being the same...plus Clarrett quit the combine after it became obvious that he was blowing it.

Not saying he's a bust, but quite the contrary, I think in the 4th round he'd be a steal, maybe. And never the less, he still has his private workouts to impress the scouts.

VirusX
02-28-2005, 11:33 AM
Not even close to being the same...plus Clarrett quit the combine after it became obvious that he was blowing it.

Not saying he's a bust, but quite the contrary, I think in the 4th round he'd be a steal, maybe. And never the less, he still has his private workouts to impress the scouts.

It was a smart move by clarett to leave the combine early. He needs to goto his home turf for his pro day and run wind sprints until he cant anymore, to work on his speed and his start on the 40. I hope he does well.

Charles
02-28-2005, 12:05 PM
OK you asked for it..............

He certainly didn't make any teams think about drafting him in a big-money slot. Instead, he claimed he aced the interview sessions with the teams, then bungled the physical stuff.

``A lot of coaches said I was a lot more humble and approachable,'' he said. ``I thought they'd ask a lot more about what happened in the past.''

Such as challenging the league's draft rules in court, winning early, then seeing an appellate court overturn the decision, making him ineligible for the 2004 selections after he missed the '03 season under Ohio State suspension.

Or pleading guilty to lying on a police report after claiming $10,000 in merchandise was stolen from his car.

Or accepting benefits in college to which he was not entitled.

Or accusing Ohio State of arranging for a no-work job and providing improper academic aid.

Or showing up unprepared for last year's combine.

Or not playing football in '04, either.

Those things are on his resume, however. So is his spotty workout Saturday in which he skipped several drills after his slow run.
This makes a great point if you are trying to sell Clarett as a horrible athletic student and citizen, but it doesn't prove wether or not he'll be a bad player in the NFL.

Moss pretty much had the same attitude, but when he gets on field Clarett is just as dominant.

These guys are dragted to play football not to run 40 times. If sub 4.5 times were the mark for whether a prosepct could play there'd be very many good football players going undrafted.

k19
02-28-2005, 12:53 PM
Moss pretty much had the same attitude, but when he gets on field Clarett is just as dominant.


You're kidding right????? The kid didnt even play a full season. Out of 14 games he missed 3. He had 18 Td's and had 1341 total yards. Of the 18 td's 11 of them came against the top ranked D's of Texas Tech, Kent St, Indiana, Northwestern and San Jose St. Half his yardage for the season came against those 5 teams. The only team that he had decent numbers against was Washington ST who had the 8th ranked rushing d in '02.

All he dominated was the 70th (Tech), 103rd (Kent), 113th (Indiana), 117th (Northwestern), and 98th (SJ St) ranked D's in the country..........Wow.

Thats impressive enought to be compared to Moss???????????

Charles
02-28-2005, 01:45 PM
You're kidding right????? The kid didnt even play a full season. Out of 14 games he missed 3.
Agreed, but all that matters is HOW he played when he played. Clarett dominanted on a NCAA Championship run. Teams got up for the Buckeyes all year long.

He had 18 Td's and had 1341 total yards. Of the 18 td's 11 of them came against the top ranked D's of Texas Tech, Kent St, Indiana, Northwestern and San Jose St. Half his yardage for the season came against those 5 teams. The only team that he had decent numbers against was Washington ST who had the 8th ranked rushing d in '02.

All he dominated was the 70th (Tech), 103rd (Kent), 113th (Indiana), 117th (Northwestern), and 98th (SJ St) ranked D's in the country..........Wow.

Thats impressive enought to be compared to Moss???????????When is this "weak competition theory" going to be put to rest.

Walter Payton arguably the best RB in NFL history....Jackson State.

Jerry Rice arguably the best football player ever......Missipi Valley State

Last time I checked Randy Moss dominated Division-1 AA in his 1st year at Marshall and the MAC Division-1 A in his 2nd year at Marshall. I think any reasonable fan would realize the teams Clarett played against were much better team.

Clarett is very comparable to Moss on an NFL prospect level.