If Cam Newton is on the board for Dallas in the NFL draft next year...

[Texas_Pete]

Would you be on board with the Cowboys taking him? No diss to Romo, but I could imagine having Cam Newton throwing to Dez for a decade or so...

Thoughts?

[Danny White]

No thanks. He seems like an arrogant thug.

[kmp77]

Draft a cheat, a thief, and a rules violator??????

SURE!!!!!!!

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

[gimmesix]

It would cost too much to sign him and his dad.

[btcutter]

no way. Vince Young II.

Already money hungry in high school. Imagine in the Pro and limelight of Dallas.:bang2:

[jobberone]

Draft another Vince Young? No thanks. He might have a future in the NFL but it will have to be as a passer. He's not fast enough to be another Michael Vick.

[jobberone]

no way. Vince Young II.

Already money hungry in high school. Imagine in the Pro and limelight of Dallas.:bang2:

You beat me to it. LOL.

[SnakePliskin]

Aside from the obvious off the field stuff. His footwork is very bad. His arm is strong but he is not consistent. Can this be fixed? Sure it can, but will he work at it??? Is he ready to make the reads in the NFL? It looks to me like the offense is, look at one WR if not open run. He might make something of himself, but it will take a lot of work, is he willing to do that? He seems like a guy that is ready, willing, and able to take the easy way out.

Lastly, do you want the Cowboys to deal with the stink of NCAA taking away his Heisman in 2 years and a possible National Championship??? Not me.

[fffiasco]

He doesnt look good to me at all.

More like Jamarcus Russel Part 2.

[Texas_Pete]

Draft a cheat, a thief, and a rules violator??????

SURE!!!!!!!

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:
What did he cheat on? What did he steal? What rules did he violate?

The NCAA investigated him and cleared him. His dad is the likely culprit for all of the allegations. Whether he knew about them or not is another issue. You can't choose your family.

I remember a troubled WR out of Marshall - who JJ admitted he made a mistake in not drafting him - this admission as recent as this year (of course he's not good as he used to be, but he had a bonafide HOF career). I also remember a former pro bowler who did horrible things to dogs - look at him now.

Don't be so quick to judge.

[rocyaice]

I would. That being said, I think Cam Newton is taken top 3. I don't believe the Cowboys will be drafting that early.

And people are talking about Vince Young II but there is nothing wrong with Vince Young. He wins games rather than lose them. Vince Young with a Miles Austin, Dez, Roy and Witten would be far more successful in this league than one with their pedestrian receiving core(yea Moss has been pedestrian this season).

[Bleu Star]

Would you be on board with the Cowboys taking him? No diss to Romo, but I could imagine having Cam Newton throwing to Dez for a decade or so...

Thoughts?

I wouldn't even think twice. He would be a Dallas Cowboy faster than you can say cammy cam juice.

[junk]

I would. That being said, I think Cam Newton is taken top 3. I don't believe the Cowboys will be drafting that early.

And people are talking about Vince Young II but there is nothing wrong with Vince Young. He wins games rather than lose them. Vince Young with a Miles Austin, Dez, Roy and Witten would be far more successful in this league than one with their pedestrian receiving core(yea Moss has been pedestrian this season).

Vince Young is terrible. A good college player and a terrible pro.

Let me guess....a Longhorns fan?

[NextGenBoys]

He doesnt look good to me at all.

More like Jamarcus Russel Part 2.

I can't agree with this at all.

Are you actually watching his games?

Or simply generalizing off another big African American quarterback from the SEC with a cannon arm?

[Bleu Star]

I can't agree with this at all.

Are you actually watching his games?

Or simply generalizing off another big African American quarterback from the SEC with a cannon arm?

:muttley:

[reddyuta]

newton will be a better pro than young.I dont want to draft him though,somebody is going to want him and we may be in play for a trade.

[NextGenBoys]

:muttley:

lol alright, that was worded poorly. Very poorly, but you know what I meant haha.

[kmp77]

What did he cheat on? What did he steal? What rules did he violate?.

Florida? Laptop? "money was too good to pass up"????


Hellloooooo McFly??? you in there???

http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/4/0/9/6/9/ar125832683096904.jpg

[casmith07]

I can't agree with this at all.

Are you actually watching his games?

Or simply generalizing off another big African American quarterback from the SEC with a cannon arm?

:muttley:

lol alright, that was worded poorly. Very poorly, but you know what I meant haha.

:muttley:

[rbr651]

I can't agree with this at all.

Are you actually watching his games?

Or simply generalizing off another big African American quarterback from the SEC with a cannon arm?


He's from Africa?

[CowboyMike]

No.

No no.
















NO!























HELL NO!!!

[Danny White]

What did he cheat on? What did he steal? What rules did he violate?

The NCAA investigated him and cleared him. His dad is the likely culprit for all of the allegations. Whether he knew about them or not is another issue. You can't choose your family.

I remember a troubled WR out of Marshall - who JJ admitted he made a mistake in not drafting him - this admission as recent as this year (of course he's not good as he used to be, but he had a bonafide HOF career). I also remember a former pro bowler who did horrible things to dogs - look at him now.

Don't be so quick to judge.

He stole a laptop and then comically threw it out a window when the cops arrived thinking it would foil them.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/college/cam-newton-lame-laptop-thief

[NextGenBoys]

He's from Africa?

I'm trying to get out of the habit of calling people "black"

Get over it.

[Texas_Pete]

Florida? Laptop? "money was too good to pass up"????


Hellloooooo McFly??? you in there???

http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/4/0/9/6/9/ar125832683096904.jpg (http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/4/0/9/6/9/ar125832683096904.jpg)
:laugh2: I didn't know that - thanks. He was young and will mature. I'm not sweating that...

For those comparing him to Vince, Vince wish he had the gun that Newton has. His footwork is questionable, but coachable. The only thing I would worry about is whether he will be able to read an NFL defense to showcase his talents.

[kmd24]

Newton's got his problems, but comparing him to Vince Young or Michael Vick is wrong. He's a much better passer at this point in his career than either of those guys.

Whether he'll be a good pro is debatable, but I'd feel good about it, especially with the prospect of new limits on rookie contracts on the horizon. The big question I have is work ethic. Everything has been easy for this guy so far. Does he have the makeup to grind for three or four years learning how to be an NFL QB?

I don't think I'd draft him if I were Dallas. I think three years from now is probably the time you want to draft Romo's heir, assuming some project player doesn't emerge.

[NextGenBoys]

:muttley:

Am I missing something here?

[NextGenBoys]

Newton's got his problems, but comparing him to Vince Young or Michael Vick is wrong. He's a much better passer at this point in his career than either of those guys.

Whether he'll be a good pro is debatable, but I'd feel good about it, especially with the prospect of new limits on rookie contracts on the horizon. The big question I have is work ethic. Everything has been easy for this guy so far. Does he have the makeup to grind for three or four years learning how to be an NFL QB?

I don't think I'd draft him if I were Dallas. I think three years from now is probably the time you want to draft Romo's heir, assuming some project player doesn't emerge.

^^^ This. Good post.

[Wonderboyromo]

Right, don't draft him because he took money.
That just doesn't happen in THIS day and age! What a terrible thing to do! He should go undrafted!

Yes, you take him. And I love Romo.

[Texas_Pete]

Newton's got his problems, but comparing him to Vince Young or Michael Vick is wrong. He's a much better passer at this point in his career than either of those guys.

Whether he'll be a good pro is debatable, but I'd feel good about it, especially with the prospect of new limits on rookie contracts on the horizon. The big question I have is work ethic. Everything has been easy for this guy so far. Does he have the makeup to grind for three or four years learning how to be an NFL QB?

I don't think I'd draft him if I were Dallas. I think three years from now is probably the time you want to draft Romo's heir, assuming some project player doesn't emerge.
Great post. :bow:

[tunahelper]

no way. Vince Young II.

Already money hungry in high school. Imagine in the Pro and limelight of Dallas.:bang2:

I think he will be closer to Jamrcus Russell.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

No thanks. He seems like an arrogant thug.

lol... right.

Must be because he steals laptops as an 18 year old kid.

And since he plays with confidence. he must be arrogant.

If thats the case, Dez must really blow.

[jobberone]

Newton's got his problems, but comparing him to Vince Young or Michael Vick is wrong. He's a much better passer at this point in his career than either of those guys.

Whether he'll be a good pro is debatable, but I'd feel good about it, especially with the prospect of new limits on rookie contracts on the horizon. The big question I have is work ethic. Everything has been easy for this guy so far. Does he have the makeup to grind for three or four years learning how to be an NFL QB?

I don't think I'd draft him if I were Dallas. I think three years from now is probably the time you want to draft Romo's heir, assuming some project player doesn't emerge.

You may be right. He does have a strong arm. He needs work on his footwork. He doesn't know how to drop back properly. I seriously doubt he can read defenses. He won't be able to run as well in the pros. He is much faster than he looks but he's not fast enough to run away from many DEs and LBs in the pros.

But someone will draft him fairly high although I doubt he goes in the top five.

[The Panch]

No thanks. He seems like an arrogant thug.
He's clearly arrogant, but what exactly makes him a thug??


I'm trying to get out of the habit of calling people "black"

Get over it.

He's black. What's the problem with calling him black?

[Hostile]

Would you be on board with the Cowboys taking him? No diss to Romo, but I could imagine having Cam Newton throwing to Dez for a decade or so...

Thoughts?
Heavens no. We have real team needs. QB is not one of them.

[NextGenBoys]

He's clearly arrogant, but what exactly makes him a thug??




He's black. What's the problem with calling him black?

Because they're not "black" the color. I recently had this discussion over a few drinks with a few of my "black" friends and they said that like to be called African American rather than "black" regardless of whether they're from Africa or not.

It's my lame attempt to be PC.

[The Panch]

Because they're not "black" the color. I recently had this discussion over a few drinks with a few of my "black" friends and they said that like to be called African American rather than "black" regardless of whether they're from Africa or not.

It's my lame attempt to be PC.

Fair enough

[McCordsville Cowboy]

We dont need another QB.

31 is the new 21.

[Tricericon]

Only if he's as good at guard or safety as he is at QB.

[casmith07]

Obviously we don't need him, but he'll make a team very happy come next September.

Minnesota?

[Sportsbabe]

No thanks. He seems like an arrogant thug.

Can you name some more public people you think "seems like an arrogant thug"? Just curious to know what the attributes are so I can too recognize them when I see them.

[Sportsbabe]

lol... right.

Must be because he steals laptops as an 18 year old kid.

And since he plays with confidence. he must be arrogant.

If thats the case, Dez must really blow.

That must be it.;)

[Dash28]

No way.

[Gemini Dolly]

No No No.

[Texas_Pete]

Because they're not "black" the color. I recently had this discussion over a few drinks with a few of my "black" friends and they said that like to be called African American rather than "black" regardless of whether they're from Africa or not.

It's my lame attempt to be PC.
Not lame at all.

[Texas_Pete]

Heavens no. We have real team needs. QB is not one of them.
This I can agree with as a reason for not drafting him. We have some major holes to fill and QB is not a need.

[bmzt31]

his dad his gonna "pimp" him out....again

[Bleu Star]

Because they're not "black" the color. I recently had this discussion over a few drinks with a few of my "black" friends and they said that like to be called African American rather than "black" regardless of whether they're from Africa or not.

It's my lame attempt to be PC.
Dude of color checking in...

Let me see...

Black guy
Black dude
African American guy
African American dude

Ummm.. Let's see... If I had to use color in a sentence...

So... I was out last night and met this pretty cool black dude.
So... I was out last night and met this pretty cool African American dude.
So... I was out last night and met this pretty cool white dude.
So... I was out last night and met this pretty cool caucasian dude.

Just refer to me as black. Africans would probably find me rather American. :D

[Sickwitit]

This team needs something...what is it I'm not sure but drafting a winner like newton couldn't hurt.

[Bleu Star]

This team needs something...what is it I'm not sure but drafting a winner like newton couldn't hurt.

This.

No Romo hatred whatsoever.. but Newton is going to be sickwitit @ the NFL level. That said, now I can stop dreaming. OL and Safety are top priorities.

[Patton]

This team needs something...what is it I'm not sure but drafting a winner like newton couldn't hurt.

Exactly.

Not so sure why everyone is marrying themselves to the proven losers on this team currently.

[hornitosmonster]

If Cam Newton is on the board for Dallas in the NFL draft next year...

We pass. I didn't like Tebow and I don't like Newton.

[Patton]

We pass. I didn't like Tebow and I don't like Newton.

Don't really think there's a comparison between a fullback and a quarterback.

[hornitosmonster]

newton will be a better pro than young.I dont want to draft him though,somebody is going to want him and we may be in play for a trade.


That isn't saying much...It is like having Dumb and Dumber

[hornitosmonster]

Don't really think there's a comparison between a fullback and a quarterback.


Clones...

[Patton]

Clones...

:lmao2:

No way.

One's passes looks like punts. The other appears to be able to throw a ball through a brick wall.

[Nav22]

Let's take Brady Quinn if he's still there at 22.

[hornitosmonster]

:lmao2:

No way.

One's passes looks like punts. The other appears to be able to throw a ball through a brick wall.


sure..keep telling yourself that. Newton will be a garbage NFL QB and I'm glad Jerry will 100% pass on him. Like I said, Clones...Replay Jerry's drunken tirade about Tebow and you will find your answer on Cam. :laugh2:

[TheDallasDon]

Because they're not "black" the color. I recently had this discussion over a few drinks with a few of my "black" friends and they said that like to be called African American rather than "black" regardless of whether they're from Africa or not.

It's my lame attempt to be PC.


I think "Black" is better cuz African American is like saying well ur not FULL BLOODED AMERICAN...................ur "African American" so in my book its American, that is Black



But back on subject no pass on QB we have more pressing needs and have a few years before we need 2 worry about drafting Romo replacement!!!

[xout]

... Stay away from Newton. Stay far away.

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Let's take Brady Quinn if he's still there at 22.

What a steal!

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Exactly.

Not so sure why everyone is marrying themselves to the proven losers on this team currently.


Because to not commit in full to all players on your favorite team, is trolling and frowned upon. Duh.......

[ChldsPlay]

Because they're not "black" the color. I recently had this discussion over a few drinks with a few of my "black" friends and they said that like to be called African American rather than "black" regardless of whether they're from Africa or not.

It's my lame attempt to be PC.

I'd like to be called, "Supreme ruler of the Universe."

[Bleu Star]

I'd like to be called, "Supreme ruler of the Universe."

:laugh2:

Look for my bleuey bleu juice in stores soon. :p:

[TheDallasDon]

I'd like to be called, "Supreme ruler of the Universe."


:laugh2: :laugh2:
Thats my name so ur gonna have 2 throw fist 2 cuffs with me..............and the winner gets the name Ahahahahhahahaha

[ThreeandOut]

Newton's stock is rising and could potentially skyrocket if he plays well and leads his team to a national championship. My hope would be that either he is selected before the Dallas pick (pushing another good player down to them) or Dallas could leverage a trade for a team that wants him (for a king's ransom in draft picks). When a team needs a QB, they are often willing to pay a very high price. The Cowboys should take advantage if that option is available.

[kmd24]

You may be right. He does have a strong arm. He needs work on his footwork. He doesn't know how to drop back properly. I seriously doubt he can read defenses. He won't be able to run as well in the pros. He is much faster than he looks but he's not fast enough to run away from many DEs and LBs in the pros.

One of the concerns I have about his development is that his mechanics might have to be broken down and built back up rather than just tweaked. Right now he can make some unbelievable throws into some tight spots.

Also, his ability to run puts opposing defenses in a compromising position. That goes away in the NFL, although he will have Rodgers-like capabilities of making a play if the defense gets out of their rushing lanes. I do like that he uses his escapability to throw at times rather than always running. The combination of his arm and his legs could allow him to make some big plays down the field.

Bottom line, the kid is a great athlete with some character questions. He's played in a simple passing offense that puts pressure on the defense by threatening lots of different runs. Huge project with tremendous upside.

[RS12]

3rd round or lower, sure.

[DIAF]

I don't get the Cam hate in this thread. I don't know how smart he is or isn't, but his arm is fantastic, he rarely makes bad throws at the college level, and he's 6'5" 240lbs and runs a 4.5 40.

He might be a terrible person, but I wouldn't be knockin his talent.

There's no way Dallas is going to draft him, however. Some of ya'll need to put down the purple drank.

[jobberone]

One of the concerns I have about his development is that his mechanics might have to be broken down and built back up rather than just tweaked. Right now he can make some unbelievable throws into some tight spots.

Also, his ability to run puts opposing defenses in a compromising position. That goes away in the NFL, although he will have Rodgers-like capabilities of making a play if the defense gets out of their rushing lanes. I do like that he uses his escapability to throw at times rather than always running. The combination of his arm and his legs could allow him to make some big plays down the field.

Bottom line, the kid is a great athlete with some character questions. He's played in a simple passing offense that puts pressure on the defense by threatening lots of different runs. Huge project with tremendous upside.

I basically agree with you but I see him as a big risk esp where he'll probably go. Someone will likely take the risk though. I'd stay away. Romo is a better QB by far and I suspect Newton will never reach his level. I do think he may have some success in the NFL over the long haul though.

[DIAF]

:lmao2:

No way.

One's passes looks like punts. The other appears to be able to throw a ball through a brick wall.

This. Tebow's footwork, windup, and delivery all need work. Cam Newton's does not.

[jobberone]

This. Tebow's footwork, windup, and delivery all need work. Cam Newton's does not.

That takes away your credibility with me.

[kmd24]

I basically agree with you but I see him as a big risk esp where he'll probably go.

Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what happens with rookie contracts. I can't see taking Newton with a top-10 pick under the current financial reality because I think he's three years away from seeing the field.

[DIAF]

That takes away your credibility with me.

Tebow fan?

http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg

[jimmy40]

Well, since it seems Newton can only be compared to other African American black QBs I'd say he looks better than Josh Freeman.

[NextGenBoys]

Well, since it seems Newton can only be compared to other African American black QBs I'd say he looks better than Josh Freeman.

lol I see what you did there

[Bleu Star]

Well, since it seems Newton can only be compared to other African American black QBs I'd say he looks better than Josh Freeman.

:muttley: :laugh2: :muttley:

[jobberone]

Tebow fan?

http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg (http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg)

Not at all although they're not too different. I think Newton has a better arm and is faster than Tebow. I'm still not a big fan of Newton for the pros although he could develop over time.

[CATCH17]

Put me on record as saying he will be a solid NFL QB.


He is nothing like Young or Russell.

[CATCH17]

Dude of color checking in...

Let me see...

Black guy
Black dude
African American guy
African American dude

Ummm.. Let's see... If I had to use color in a sentence...

So... I was out last night and met this pretty cool black dude.
So... I was out last night and met this pretty cool African American dude.
So... I was out last night and met this pretty cool white dude.
So... I was out last night and met this pretty cool caucasian dude.

Just refer to me as black. Africans would probably find me rather American. :D

Payton Manning is a European American.

[rkell87]

Well, since it seems Newton can only be compared to other African American black QBs I'd say he looks better than Josh Freeman.
well thats not really fair, how many 240+ white QBs do you see that make plays running and throwing? lets be honest, there is a 'type' when it comes to black QBs that have even moderate success in the nfl. or ones that dont but get drafted high for that matter.

with that said i think he compares well to, and can the same career as, mcnabb:D

[Zaxor]

Put me on record as saying he will be a solid NFL QB.


He is nothing like Young or Russell.

agreed

[MarionBarberThe4th]

He plays like Sidney Portier

[CATCH17]

agreed

I mean seriously... He is one of the more physically gifted QBs I've seen.

He'll be a heck of a NFL player.

[MegaMagick]

If Cam Newton was available in the 2nd or 3rd? Sure.

For a 1st? No, especially if Peterson, Amukamara, or Sherrod is on the board. Only QB i'd blindly take is Luck. For the others(Newton, Mallet, Locker) you can take advantage of some desperate team like the 49ers, vikings, etc looking for a qb and get some picks out of it.

[CATCH17]

If Cam Newton was available in the 2nd or 3rd? Sure.

For a 1st? No, especially if Peterson, Amukamara, or Sherrod is on the board. Only QB i'd blindly take is Luck. For the others(Newton, Mallet, Locker) you can take advantage of some desperate team like the 49ers, vikings, etc looking for a qb and get some picks out of it.

Yeah and he'll be a top pick so no shot at us getting him.

Definetely a franchise QB so he'll go high.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Hes 6'6, 240 pounds and runs a 4.42.

Impressive,





One of the QBs whos Newton's play style is similar to is one we are all very familiar with, Tony Romo. Romos very undersized compared to the monster Newton, but they are both elusive qbs who extend plays with their legs by evading pressure and rolling out of the pocket.


Secondly it is Ben Roethlisberger they both have rocket arms and are huge, Newton is simply much quicker than Roethlisberger.


and third, and the best comparision possible is; Josh Freeman, the same size, the only difference is 2 pounds. Both play very similary, newtons faster but Freemans not a slowpoke.


overall, Newton has off the field issues and thats horid for a NFLQB, physically he is as gifted as JaMarcus Russel, but he has the same question marks that Russel had. It is fair to assume he will be the next Russel, but he DOES have to tools to be a top 5, franchise QB in the NFL.

In the 2nd you take him, in the 1st you pass. Too many questions and we aren't in need of a QB, obviously.

[burmafrd]

Project. Don't need him and don't want him. He would need two or more years of work just like Romo did to be good on the field. His mechanics and footwork cannot be changed over night; and many never will change. Outside of John Elway and Steve Young, show me another QB with incredible physical skills that made it huge in the pros. Jeff George, Jumongus, Ryan Leaf, the list of cannon arms and micro brains and bad habits is very long. Certainly not worth a first round pick.

[realtick]

Josh Freeman is much more of a traditional pocket passer than Cam Newton, he was also a lot o more polished coming out of Kansas State. I don't get the comparison other than they're both black and roughly the same size.

I would also say Newton is a better passer than Vince Young coming out.

What needs to be determined is what kind of QB mind the kid has. All the good or elite QBs in the league have superior understanding of how the offense should work and anticipation.

Someone else made the comparison to Rothlisberger, which I initially cringed at. But having thought about it, I could see a little of that in Newton, although I think Newton has the a lot more athleticism than Big Ben.

As for the Cowboys needs, there is no way on Earth I'd want this kid to be our first pick.

[Bleu Star]

Someone else made the comparison to Rothlisberger, which I initially cringed at. But having thought about it, I could see a little of that in Newton, although I think Newton has the a lot more athleticism than Big Ben.


That's the best comparison I have seen thus far. The aptitude and decision making in the pocket, the feel, the ability to extend a play, the rocket arm, the precision... It's all there. The only thing he has over Ben is the ridiculous speed for a man of his size. I consider him Ben with wheels.

The real Ben has no wheels.

[Romo 2 Austin]

That's the best comparison I have seen thus far. The aptitude and decision making in the pocket, the feel, the ability to extend a play, the rocket arm, the precision... It's all there. The only thing he has over Ben is the ridiculous speed for a man of his size. I consider him Ben with wheels.

The real Ben has no wheels.
Thats what I said, except Bens got a much better mind, and he doesnt have exactly the ideal one himeslf.

[burmafrd]

the real value of a QB is at least 70% mental. Maybe even more. Joe Montana was relatively small, light and had only an average arm. There are literally hundreds of QBs over the years that had better physical attributes than Joe did.

[Cover 2]

the real value of a QB is at least 70% mental. Maybe even more. Joe Montana was relatively small, light and had only an average arm. There are literally hundreds of QBs over the years that had better physical attributes than Joe did.
He also played in a scheme buil around his talents. Someone like Newton could play in any scheme potentially.

[burmafrd]

oh come on. That is such a ridiculous statement.

Newton has had only one system, right? So claiming he could play in any system is really funny.

[Cover 2]

oh come on. That is such a ridiculous statement.

Newton has had only one system, right? So claiming he could play in any system is really funny.
It's not ridiculous at all. With his physical skill set he could project to any system.

[CATCH17]

It's not ridiculous at all. With his physical skill set he could project to any system.

Yeah he's just a heck of a prospect.

What separates him from Young and Russell is he can legitimately throw.

[unsportsmanlikeconduct]

No thanks. Another Jason Campbell. Go for O or D line in the first, draft a qb in the later rounds

[jimmy40]

Hes 6'6, 240 pounds and runs a 4.42.

Impressive,


no way he does that at the combine.

[Danny White]

Can you name some more public people you think "seems like an arrogant thug"? Just curious to know what the attributes are so I can too recognize them when I see them.

Vick, Roethlisberger... guys like that who have been blessed with tremendous physical gifts but act like they're entitled to whatever they want because of that.

[burmafrd]

just like every other big physical prospect, you numbies ignore the mental aspect. In that area he is suspect. Not bad as Jumungous and others, but suspect.

[realtick]

No thanks. Another Jason Campbell. Go for O or D line in the first, draft a qb in the later rounds


Lol, I get it:

He's black...check

He played for Auburn...check

...he's just like Jason Campbell.

[Rogah]

Any team that drafts JaMarcus Newton is unwise. I mean, maybe if he's still available in the 6th round it might be a good move. But no earlier than that.

[realtick]

I tell you what, as a pure QB prospect on the field, I'd take Newton over Tebow...

[Double Trouble]

Well, since it seems Newton can only be compared to other African American black QBs I'd say he looks better than Josh Freeman.:laugh2:

[Double Trouble]

I tell you what, as a pure QB prospect on the field, I'd take Newton over Tebow...I would, too.

But the off the field stuff, I can't get past, especially when we're talking about a 1st rounder, and even moreso when it's a QB.

Where is the stolen laptop in Romo's past? The money scandal? No way I'm taking a QB in the first round with those questions dogging him. A really good team in the mid or late 1st might take that gamble, but the Cowboys can't afford to.

[tyke1doe]

oh come on. That is such a ridiculous statement.

Newton has had only one system, right? So claiming he could play in any system is really funny.

Actually, Newton is a JuCo transfer who was at Florida before he went to Auburn. So he's had to learn at least two and maybe three offensive systems.

[tyke1doe]

just like every other big physical prospect, you numbies ignore the mental aspect. In that area he is suspect. Not bad as Jumungous and others, but suspect.

Really?

How so?

How do you know he's mentally suspect?

He has played at a high level despite the controversy surrounding him. He has brought Auburn back from deficits eight times, including a 21-point deficit against the defending national champions (Alabama) in their home stadium.

Exactly how is that not mental toughness?

You're going to have to explain this one.

What gives you any indication he is mentally suspect? :huh:

[realtick]

I would, too.

But the off the field stuff, I can't get past, especially when we're talking about a 1st rounder, and even moreso when it's a QB.

Where is the stolen laptop in Romo's past? The money scandal? No way I'm taking a QB in the first round with those questions dogging him. A really good team in the mid or late 1st might take that gamble, but the Cowboys can't afford to.

Yeah, I hear you.

Whenever I watch the kid (admittedly, through the lens of a TV camera), I can't help but see a guy who comes off very youthful. During this week's game against South Carolina, he was on the sideline doing something silly with a water bottle. I also see him regularly walking around chin-up in the air pointing and stuff.

Again, admittedly, I don't know what's going on in this guy's mind, so I won't act like I do. But being a young adult myself with life experience, a red-flag goes up in my mind when I watch the kid.

Kind of like when I watched JaMarcus Russell show up to post game press conferences in fur coats, stunners and gaudy jewelry, he just didn't emit an aire of "professional."

Not that he's stupid or dumb, but rather very immature. I have a hard time picturing him taking the time to breakdown film and opponents when nobody is looking.

JMO

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Not that he's stupid or dumb, but rather very immature. I have a hard time picturing him taking the time to breakdown film and opponents when nobody is looking.

JMO

exactly how I feel. I can't either. He gives off that impression somehow. That he doesn't care. Or that he's just to good.

[ZeroClub]

I've seen several of Newton's games this year.

An important part of his game is keeping the ball and running between the guards. That won't happen much at the next level.

Even if I were looking to draft a QB, I'd be slow to use a first rounder on Newton. IMO, he's got a whole lot that he's going to need to change. It isn't like he's used to playing in a pro offense. It is bound to take him a while to adjust to the new style of play and it is far from clear that he'll succeed.

I'm not troubled by his "character." Over the past several weeks he's played quite well despite an enormous amount of scrutiny and pressure. IMO, he has demonstrated some real mental toughness and poise. Obviously, those would be favorable traits.

[joseephuss]

I think it would be hard to justify drafting a QB really high when he has only one true year of experience and success. That is a big gamble. If he is there in the 3rd round, then maybe Dallas could draft him and set him aside as a project. I am not big on one year wonders even though there are a few out there that have panned out to some extent.

I don't see very many similarities between Cam Newton and JaMarcus Russell other than size. Russell was not a runner at all. He had a total of 79 rushing yards during his 3 years at LSU.

[burmafrd]

One year wonders do not often excell in the NFL. He was nothing special before this year; buyer beware.

[Stautner]

I really hadn't watched him play and had in my mind that he was probably overhyped and overrated, but I watched some of the SEC championship this weekend adn was impressed. His talent isn't primarioy in his legs, like with Vince Young, so that comparison is off, and I don't believe he's just a big arm like Russell. He put some very nice passes on the money - dropping them right where they needed to be, and he showed patience in the pocket and an ability to scan the field. I think he has a chance to be a much better pro than the guys he has been compared with in this thread.

[Muhast]

I worry about the fact that he has only attempted more then 25 passes ONCE in his NCAA career. That was against S.Carolina last weekend.

There isn't a ton of video on him as a passing threat. I think he is a great college player, fun to watch but at this point I'd def. take Tebow over him (and I don't even like Tim Tebow)

I am really against taking one year wonders. I like drafting guys that played 2-3 years of high level football and have endless amounts of gametape on.

I would be very worried that he'd sign a big deal, play well for a year and then get lazy.

I don't get the Russell comparison at all. Freeman or Tebow I could understand.

[DFWJC]

Would you be on board with the Cowboys taking him? No diss to Romo, but I could imagine having Cam Newton throwing to Dez for a decade or so...

Thoughts?
I'm not so sure Cam is going to be a great pro. I haven't studied him that closely yet, but from the 4-5 games I've seen, he seems like a great college player who may possibly have decent pro potential.

I'm not even sure he is as good as the last decent Auburn QB to come out. Jason Campbell just didn't need to throw it alot because he had Cad Williams, Ronnie Brown and Brandon Jacobs. Boy, that 13-0 team should have least had a chance to play for a title. What a crime.

[Muhast]

I'm not so sure Cam is going to be a great pro. I haven't studied him that closely yet, but from the 4-5 games I've seen, he seems like a great college player who may possibly have decent pro potential.

I'm not even sure he is as good as the last decent Auburn QB to come out. Jason Campbell just didn't need to throw it alot because he had Cad Williams, Ronnie Brown and Brandon Jacobs. Boy, that 13-0 team should have least had a chance to play for a title. Waht a crime.


I think they would have beaten USC and Oklahoma who both played in the Nat. Championship game (that ended up being forfeited b/c of Bush)

They got the short end of the stick. How ironic will it be if they win this year only to have it taken away b/c THEY have a player who gets in trouble.

I hope it doesnt, but it will be very ironic.

[DFWJC]

I think they would have beaten USC and Oklahoma who both played in the Nat. Championship game (that ended up being forfeited b/c of Bush)

They got the short end of the stick. How ironic will it be if they win this year only to have it taken away b/c THEY have a player who gets in trouble.

I hope it doesnt, but it will be very ironic.
:laugh2: Tell me about it. I shouldn't laugh but their fan base would be suicidal. They have had some tough luck over the years. That 10-1 (I think Bo Jackson et al) team that didn't win the title because BYU beat a 6-5 Michigan team was really sad too.

Here are some of the players on the 2004 undeafeated SEC champ team that got left out:

Ronnie Brown--RB
Jason Campbell--QB
Cadillac Williams--RB
Marcus McNeil--OT
Jay Ratliff--DT
Tim Duckworth--OG
Will Herring--FS
David Aromashadu--WR
Ben Obomanu--WR
Carlos Rodgers--CB
Quentin Groves--DE
Patrick Lee-CB
Marquin QWinn--DE
Kody Bliss--P
Travis Williams--LB
Stan McGlover

that's just a few of the NFL players...but there were more...and a bunch of good college-only players too.

Would have been fun to see.

I will say, that USC team was was very good. It's OU that took Auburn's spot, imo.

[DFWJC]

I worry about the fact that he has only attempted more then 25 passes ONCE in his NCAA career. That was against S.Carolina last weekend.

There isn't a ton of video on him as a passing threat. I think he is a great college player, fun to watch but at this point I'd def. take Tebow over him (and I don't even like Tim Tebow)

I am really against taking one year wonders. I like drafting guys that played 2-3 years of high level football and have endless amounts of gametape on.

I would be very worried that he'd sign a big deal, play well for a year and then get lazy.

I don't get the Russell comparison at all. Freeman or Tebow I could understand.
Agree with the one year wonder issues.

Freeman was much more polished than this guy....very pro-ready. A pocket passer with mobility.
Maybe the Tebow comp works somewhat. His passing motion is no beautiful, but it even it looks better than Timmy's.

[joseephuss]

:laugh2: Tell me about it. I shouldn't laugh but their fan base would be suicidal. They have had some tough luck over the years. That 10-1 (I think Bo Jackson et al) team that didn't win the title because BYU beat a 6-5 Michigan team was really sad too.

Here are some of the players on the 2004 undeafeated SEC champ team that got left out:

Ronnie Brown--RB
Jason Campbell--QB
Cadillac Williams--RB
Marcus McNeil--OT
Jay Ratliff--DT
Tim Duckworth--OG
Will Herring--FS
David Aromashadu--WR
Ben Obomanu--WR
Carlos Rodgers--CB
Quentin Groves--DE
Patrick Lee-CB
Marquin QWinn--DE
Kody Bliss--P
Travis Williams--LB
Stan McGlover

that's just a few of the NFL players...but there were more...and a bunch of good college-only players too.

Would have been fun to see.

I will say, that USC team was was very good. It's OU that took Auburn's spot, imo.

Everyone still remembered USC stomping Auburn to open the 2003 season at Auburn and the Tigers finishing the year 8-5. They were expected to do better than that in 2003. I think that played a part in them not being highly regarded through much of the 2004 season and therefore finishing 3rd in the final regular season rankings.

[DFWJC]

Everyone still remembered USC stomping Auburn to open the 2003 season at Auburn and the Tigers finishing the year 8-5. They were expected to do better than that in 2003. I think that played a part in them not being highly regarded through much of the 2004 season and therefore finishing 3rd in the final regular season rankings.
True...they held that game nearly two full seasons earlier (and with a different cast of players and maturity and chemistry) against them. But that's how college foootball works...half of it is perception sadly. That USC was great though. It was OU that I had a problem with.

[Doomsday101]

Cameron "Cam" Jerrell Newton (born May 11, 1989[1] in College Park, Georgia) is the starting quarterback for the Auburn Tigers. Newton was initially a member of the Florida Gators. He would later transfer to Blinn College, where his team won a national junior college football championship. Newton was then recruited by head coach Gene Chizik of Auburn University and transferred once more.

Cameron Newton is the younger brother of Cecil Newton, Jr., a center for the Jacksonville Jaguars of the NFL. His father, Cecil Newton, Sr., also played in the NFL (for the Dallas Cowboys).

[Doomsday101]

I'm not so much in favor of drafting a QB but I think Cam has alot more talent than VY in terms of his passing game and I think Cam will have a good career in the NFL.

[joseephuss]

Cameron "Cam" Jerrell Newton (born May 11, 1989[1] in College Park, Georgia) is the starting quarterback for the Auburn Tigers. Newton was initially a member of the Florida Gators. He would later transfer to Blinn College, where his team won a national junior college football championship. Newton was then recruited by head coach Gene Chizik of Auburn University and transferred once more.

Cameron Newton is the younger brother of Cecil Newton, Jr., a center for the Jacksonville Jaguars of the NFL. His father, Cecil Newton, Sr., also played in the NFL (for the Dallas Cowboys).

I don't see Cecil Newton, Sr. listed anywhere on the all time roster of the Cowboys. Perhaps he was in training camp one year or something, but he was never on the final 53 man roster.

[Doomsday101]

I don't see Cecil Newton, Sr. listed anywhere on the all time roster of the Cowboys. Perhaps he was in training camp one year or something, but he was never on the final 53 man roster.

Just found this

Cecil Newton played football for Savannah State from 1979-83. A safety and linebacker, he intercepted seven passes in 1979 and was named to the All-Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference team.

While at Savannah State, Cecil met his future wife, Jackie. Their son Cecil Jr., a former football player at Tennessee State University, was a rookie last season with the NFL's Jacksonville Jaguars.

Cecil Jr., who was born in Savannah, played in two games with the Jaguars. The 6-foot-2, 303-pound center played in three preseason games this season before being cut from the team.

Cecil Sr., contrary to numerous reports, did not play for the Dallas Cowboys. He merely had a tryout with Dallas.

[dbair1967]

Would you be on board with the Cowboys taking him? No diss to Romo, but I could imagine having Cam Newton throwing to Dez for a decade or so...

Thoughts?

Absolutely not

Gimmick offense college QB's= lousy NFL QB's

[burmafrd]

we have real needs that can be filled with excellant players.

[tyke1doe]

we have real needs that can be filled with excellant players.

Did you see my question to you on the previous page? I asked you what makes you think Cam is mentally suspect?

I'm really looking for a response, though I can see why that would be a question you may want to ignore.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I would not want him due to his father and his own integrity.

Whether college players and/or their parents should be paid is one debate but at the current time it clearly is against the rules.

I don't need that.

I said it about another prospect in another draft thread. We are better off getting guys with good character or lack of character concerns.

We have so much visibility as it is that when anything happens that is remotely negative it is amplified by 100.

It will just be a matter of time until the finally do their fake investigation and fake punishment by stripping him of the Trophy (if he wins the heisman) and the school of the championship (if they win the game)...and all of that would be happening while he would be on the Cowboys roster and in turn amplify it 100 times because he was a cowboy.

No thanks.

[Muhast]

Josh Freeman is much more of a traditional pocket passer than Cam Newton, he was also a lot o more polished coming out of Kansas State. I don't get the comparison other than they're both black and roughly the same size.

I would also say Newton is a better passer than Vince Young coming out.

What needs to be determined is what kind of QB mind the kid has. All the good or elite QBs in the league have superior understanding of how the offense should work and anticipation.

Someone else made the comparison to Rothlisberger, which I initially cringed at. But having thought about it, I could see a little of that in Newton, although I think Newton has the a lot more athleticism than Big Ben.

As for the Cowboys needs, there is no way on Earth I'd want this kid to be our first pick.

If you watched the Bucs Vs. Falcons game at all last week, you would have been screaming that Freeman plays just like Roethlisberger. So it's funny that you dislike that comparison but like the Roethlisberger one lol.

Freeman is huge. He is more athletic then Roethlisberger. So yes the Freeman and Newton comparison does make some sense. Watch some of Freeman's highlight reels and you'll definitely see why people say he is comparable.

If they were to say Byron Leftwich, then that's a different story :) lol

[baj1dallas]

Too big of a gamble for a team without a big need at QB. Maybe NE with 2 firsts can take that sort of a gamble but the Cowboys need a guy that will improve the team as a rookie, either a lineman or DB.

[realtick]

If you watched the Bucs Vs. Falcons game at all last week, you would have been screaming that Freeman plays just like Roethlisberger. So it's funny that you dislike that comparison but like the Roethlisberger one lol.

Freeman is huge. He is more athletic then Roethlisberger. So yes the Freeman and Newton comparison does make some sense. Watch some of Freeman's highlight reels and you'll definitely see why people say he is comparable.

If they were to say Byron Leftwich, then that's a different story :) lol

Because a player is more athletic or just as athletic as another, doesn't make them the same type of player.

I've seen Freeman play from his time at Kansas St. and currently with Tampa Bay. He's a pocket passer who can make a play with his feet (throws on the run) when needed.

Roethlisberger is more of a playmaking thrower than a traditional pocket QB IMO. Cam Newton strikes me as the same type of QB. No comparison is going to match point-for-point, but I think their styles are more similiar.

Newton is a lot more athletic than Freeman and a lot less polished a passer than Freeman.

Anyways, if you think the two are similiar (Freeman & Newton) so be it, I won't argue with you too passionately about it, you could be right.

BTW, Freeman is turning himself into quite a nice young QB.

[casmith07]

I think Newton will end up in one of these locations:

Minnesota
Seattle
Arizona
San Francisco
Miami
Tennessee

But I can see the comparisons to Roethlisberger. Big, hard to bring down, big arm. I think Newton will do just fine in the NFL.

[Doomsday101]

I think Newton will end up in one of these locations:

Minnesota
Seattle
Arizona
San Francisco
Miami
Tennessee

But I can see the comparisons to Roethlisberger. Big, hard to bring down, big arm. I think Newton will do just fine in the NFL.

I agree and the teams you mentioned I feel will be looking for QB and Cam will be high on their list

[tyke1doe]

I would not want him due to his father and his own integrity.

Whether college players and/or their parents should be paid is one debate but at the current time it clearly is against the rules.

I don't need that.

I said it about another prospect in another draft thread. We are better off getting guys with good character or lack of character concerns.

We have so much visibility as it is that when anything happens that is remotely negative it is amplified by 100.

It will just be a matter of time until the finally do their fake investigation and fake punishment by stripping him of the Trophy (if he wins the heisman) and the school of the championship (if they win the game)...and all of that would be happening while he would be on the Cowboys roster and in turn amplify it 100 times because he was a cowboy.

No thanks.

Is lying a character concern? :confused:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Is lying a character concern? :confused:

It's not in your world?
Seriously?

[tyke1doe]

It's not in your world?
Seriously?

I was asking because Dez Bryant lied.

So by your standard, should the Cowboys have passed on him?

[BrAinPaiNt]

I was asking because Dez Bryant lied.

So by your standard, should the Cowboys have passed on him?

In another thread/post about another player I explained that very issue.

I said we got lucky with Dez but I don't like pressing our luck two years in a row.

Look...you have your opinions on the guy, I have mine.

I am not one who is questioning his intelligence therefore I am not also one who might have some secret ulterior race motive and stereotyping.

No matter how you feel, you have to agree with my take that if later down the road he gets his tropy or trophies stripped...it will be magnified x10 or more if he is a cowboy.

Furthermore if we were to take a QB high I think we would be better off just going all the way up and getting the best QB on the board who has good basic fundamentals already.

I don't think we should be drafting a QB in the first round...that also plays into why I don't want him.


There is no secret ulterior motive for me concerning the player...what I say is what I mean.
:cool:

[joseephuss]

I was asking because Dez Bryant lied.

So by your standard, should the Cowboys have passed on him?

I agree with BP. Just because you take a chance on one guy, it doesn't mean you keep doing it. You have to limit how many guys you bring to the team who have some lingering questions about them.

It was one thing to bring in TO and it was over the top to then add Tank Johnson and Pacman Jones.

It was one thing to draft Andre Gurode in 2002and it was over the top to then draft Antonio Bryant and Derek Ross. All three guys dropped in that draft for whatever reasons. Nothing wrong with taking a chance on any one of them hoping to get a steal, but you can't make it a common practice. Too many gambles leads to too many failures.

It doesn't have to be just about character, either. I wouldn't draft 3 guys in one year who were all coming back from major knee surgery. Sometimes you have to avoid the risky players.

I don't know enough about Newton's situation to question his character, so I dont' have an issue with it. If there is a question I wouldn't draft him because Dallas already has Dez.

[thechosen1n2]

I can't agree with this at all.

Are you actually watching his games?

Or simply generalizing off another big African American quarterback from the SEC with a cannon arm?

I was thinkin the same but didnt want to say it.

[thechosen1n2]

Well, since it seems Newton can only be compared to other African American black QBs I'd say he looks better than Josh Freeman.

Man I was thinkin the same thing.

[InmanRoshi]

Serious question .. how many spread offense, shotgun only college quarterbacks have succeeded in the NFL? Brees and Orton at Purdue are the only two I can think of.

[joseephuss]

Serious question .. how many spread offense, shotgun only college quarterbacks have succeeded in the NFL? Brees and Orton at Purdue are the only two I can think of.

I can't recall many, either. The ones that have had some success have played more recently. That is probably because the NFL rules changes and interpretations in this current era favor a more wide open passing offense.

Did Big Ben play in the spread at Miami(OH)?

NC State played a lot of shotgun with Rivers. It was not necessarily a spread offense, but I saw him play out of the shotgun quite a bit.

[Doomsday101]

Serious question .. how many spread offense, shotgun only college quarterbacks have succeeded in the NFL? Brees and Orton at Purdue are the only two I can think of.

I think he has a chance to be the next one who can take it to the next level. I'm not fan of Auburn but what I see in Cam is a guy that has great touch on his passes, big arm and the ability to make all the needed throws. Not to mention his moblity and strenght. Being a Longhorns fan I did not feel that strong about Young becoming a great QB, Cam I think can become a top QB in the NFL

[DFWJC]

Josh Freeman is much more of a traditional pocket passer than Cam Newton, he was also a lot o more polished coming out of Kansas State. I don't get the comparison other than they're both black and roughly the same size.

I would also say Newton is a better passer than Vince Young coming out.

What needs to be determined is what kind of QB mind the kid has. All the good or elite QBs in the league have superior understanding of how the offense should work and anticipation.

Someone else made the comparison to Rothlisberger, which I initially cringed at. But having thought about it, I could see a little of that in Newton, although I think Newton has the a lot more athleticism than Big Ben.

As for the Cowboys needs, there is no way on Earth I'd want this kid to be our first pick.
Those are all good points.
Josh was much more polished...check.
Cam is a better passer than Vince...check
Cam seems more like Big Ben than Freeman....kind of a check, seeing that Freeman and Ben seem very similar to me. Big, mobile, with a strong arm.
And BTW, Big Ben is pretty (maybe very) athletic himself.
No way I'd want dallas to spend their #1 on Cam...check.

[casmith07]

I can't recall many, either. The ones that have had some success have played more recently. That is probably because the NFL rules changes and interpretations in this current era favor a more wide open passing offense.

Did Big Ben play in the spread at Miami(OH)?

NC State played a lot of shotgun with Rivers. It was not necessarily a spread offense, but I saw him play out of the shotgun quite a bit.

Roethlisberger took snaps from shotgun in college, yes.

[DFWJC]

Serious question .. how many spread offense, shotgun only college quarterbacks have succeeded in the NFL? Brees and Orton at Purdue are the only two I can think of.
I'm not sure, but didn't Bradford run from the spread? Matt Ryan mostly too? Aaron Rodgers?

Newton does operate under center on occassion, btw.

[InmanRoshi]

I'm not sure, but didn't Bradford run from the spread? Matt Ryan mostly too? Aaron Rodgers?

Newton does operate under center on occassion, btw.

Ryan and Rodgers played in Pro Style offenses. OU used quite a bit of spread.

[dbair1967]

I'm not sure, but didn't Bradford run from the spread? Matt Ryan mostly too? Aaron Rodgers?
Newton does operate under center on occassion, btw.

None of those guys played in a gimmicky spread option type offense.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It depends on what round. I would not draft him in the 1st round because I don't believe he carries a 1st round grade. I posted this in another thread but basically, he does not have good mechanics. As was mentioned earlier, he doesn't play in a Pro Style offense and there are questions about his involvement with recruiting. He may well turn into a great QB but at this point, I think there are better prospects on the board at QB.

[casmith07]

None of those guys played in a gimmicky spread option type offense.

Are you kidding me? Bradford's offense was almost wholly identical except he didn't run himself.

[casmith07]

I'm not sure, but didn't Bradford run from the spread? Matt Ryan mostly too? Aaron Rodgers?

Newton does operate under center on occassion, btw.

No, Matt Ryan played in a pro style offense, under center, etc.

[DFWJC]

None of those guys played in a gimmicky spread option type offense.
I didn't know for sure, so I was asking. Big Ben was in the shotgun a lot.
For sure OU runs the spread a whole lot, but they do run behind center sometimes.

So really, it may just be Brees and Orton...and maybe Garrard.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I didn't know for sure, so I was asking. Big Ben was in the shotgun a lot.
For sure OU runs the spread a whole lot, but they do run behind center sometimes.

So really, it may just be Brees and Orton...and maybe Garrard.

To early to say for sure but you may soon be able to add McCoy to that list as well.

[tyke1doe]

In another thread/post about another player I explained that very issue.

I said we got lucky with Dez but I don't like pressing our luck two years in a row.

Look...you have your opinions on the guy, I have mine.

I am not one who is questioning his intelligence therefore I am not also one who might have some secret ulterior race motive and stereotyping.

No matter how you feel, you have to agree with my take that if later down the road he gets his tropy or trophies stripped...it will be magnified x10 or more if he is a cowboy.

Furthermore if we were to take a QB high I think we would be better off just going all the way up and getting the best QB on the board who has good basic fundamentals already.

I don't think we should be drafting a QB in the first round...that also plays into why I don't want him.


There is no secret ulterior motive for me concerning the player...what I say is what I mean.
:cool:

The bold is good enough for me. And, no, I didn't read race into your statement. I read it in another statement by another poster but not yours.

Your "character" statement seem to be exclusive, but if you've explained it elsewhere, that's good enough for me. You've always been a direct and standup guy, as far as I'm concerned.

Again, I think character is a big issue and something I would consider. But I think we have to be careful being "super moralistic" (and I'm a big morals guy) because each person's situation is different.

I personally don't think we should take Cam but not because of the character issue. I think he's a different person. I just don't know about him playing in a spread offense and how that translates to the NFL, and I think with other needs on our team, you can't take him in the first round. (Of course, I'm assuming this discussion is centered around taking him in the first. If it's not and if we can get him in the third or fourth, I say go for it.)

[BrAinPaiNt]

The bold is good enough for me. And, no, I didn't read race into your statement. I read it in another statement by another poster but not yours.

Your "character" statement seem to be exclusive, but if you've explained it elsewhere, that's good enough for me. You've always been a direct and standup guy, as far as I'm concerned.

Again, I think character is a big issue and something I would consider. But I think we have to be careful being "super moralistic" (and I'm a big morals guy) because each person's situation is different.

I personally don't think we should take Cam but not because of the character issue. I think he's a different person. I just don't know about him playing in a spread offense and how that translates to the NFL, and I think with other needs on our team, you can't take him in the first round. (Of course, I'm assuming this discussion is centered around taking him in the first. If it's not and if we can get him in the third or fourth, I say go for it.)

I think if we really needed a QB, I might tone down the character concern a tad and be a little more flexible. But since I don't think we should take a QB in the first or second I am a little more rigid in my stance on him.

I think the only QB in this draft class that I would even remotely consider in the first (and it would be very remotely) would be Luck.

Now as you say...if it is the later rounds...I would relax my stance because the possible upside plus the draft position/money, could outweigh the character concerns, but even then I would be a little hesitant.

I mean I would feel better with Robert Quinn in the first, I might not like it much, but it is a position that would help us since Spencer has not continued on his path he started towards the end of last season.

Personally I would rather we wind up taking a good O-line or DB but time will tell.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think if we really needed a QB, I might tone down the character concern a tad and be a little more flexible. But since I don't think we should take a QB in the first or second I am a little more rigid in my stance on him.

I think the only QB in this draft class that I would even remotely consider in the first (and it would be very remotely) would be Luck.

Now as you say...if it is the later rounds...I would relax my stance because the possible upside plus the draft position/money, could outweigh the character concerns, but even then I would be a little hesitant.

I mean I would feel better with Robert Quinn in the first, I might not like it much, but it is a position that would help us since Spencer has not continued on his path he started towards the end of last season.

Personally I would rather we wind up taking a good O-line or DB but time will tell.

I don't like the idea of taking a QB in the first round but, if one fell to us, I would certainly hope that we could make a deal for a trade. As far as 1st round talents, I'd say that Luck, Locker, maybe ponder are first round capable, depending. Other then that, I don't know.

[joseephuss]

I don't like the idea of taking a QB in the first round but, if one fell to us, I would certainly hope that we could make a deal for a trade. As far as 1st round talents, I'd say that Luck, Locker, maybe ponder are first round capable, depending. Other then that, I don't know.

Mallett is being viewed as a first rounder.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Mallett is being viewed as a first rounder.

Forgot about Mallett. Yeah, he has a lot of natural ability. Based on that alone, he could be a 1st round prospect.

[DFWJC]

Forgot about Mallett. Yeah, he has a lot of natural ability. Based on that alone, he could be a 1st round prospect.
On the surface, it's a banner year to draft a QB.
Easy to see why Buffalo, Jacksonville, Cleveland, SF and others weren't so eager to reach in the 1st round last year and possibly waste a pick based on need (real or perceived) and not value. Clausen didn't go early in round for a reason....and Tebow had no business going in the 1st when you look at what was in the pipeline.
Now I suspect that you can add Tennessee (and certainly Oakland) in the mix.