BATmock

[BAT]

1. Robert Quinn, OLB, UNC, 6'5 268 4.59. Dez Bryant part deux. Top 5 talent drops to the Cowboys due to character concerns. Plays with a mean streak and all out hustle to match his freakish athleticism. Had 11 sacks, 20 TFL & 6 FF in 2009. Beat brain cancer in high school.

2. J.J. Watt, DE/TE, Wisconsin, 6'6 292 4.85. Former TE and walk-on is uber athletic and uber raw, having only played DE at collegiate level for 2 seasons. Sky is the limit for this kid - will only become a bigger beast once he really learns the position. Collected 59 tackles, 7 sacks and 1 INT in 2010, so far.

3. Mark Herzlich, ILB, Boston College, 6'4 245 4.75. The best LB in 2008, better than Laurinaitis, Maualuga, Cushing, McClain, etc. A beast against the run and in coverage. Still managed 4 INTs in 2010 playing with a broken hand. Guy is so tough he literally fought cancer ... and won. Ran in the 4.6's in 2008 before he had to take 2009 off. Only available this late b/c still not 100% and still getting the rust knocked off.

4. Mark LeGree, FS, Appalachian State, 6'0 200 4.52. If this kid played D1, was 2 inches taller or 10 lbs heavier he would be the first safety taken in this draft. Super instinctive ballhawk and ultra productive - 10 INTs in 2008, 7 in 2009 and 5 in 2010 (5 Ints in only 5 games, due to injury). Smallish frame but a hard hitter and very good tackler.

5. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'5 325. Sloppy build so stock will fall after combine, but this guy can flat out play. A pure sloberknocker in the run game.

6a. Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union, 6'0 190 4.43. Hoss sold me on this kid. Playmaker at WR, KR and even RB. Not sure if he lasts this long though.

6b. Shiloh Keo, DB/ST, Idaho, 5'11, 215 4.62. Tackling machine and ST demon. Vicious hitter.

7. Karl Klug, DL, Iowa, 6'3 270 4.79. Undersized, but great work ethic and athleticism, like all Iowa defensive players.

[VACowboy]

Absolutely LOVE Herzlich. Dude can play.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Wheres my tackle?

[SDogo]

1. Robert Quinn, OLB, UNC, 6'5 268 4.59. Dez Bryant part deux. Top 5 talent drops to the Cowboys due to character concerns. Plays with a mean streak and all out hustle to match his freakish athleticism. Had 11 sacks, 20 TFL & 6 FF in 2009. Beat brain cancer in high school.

2. J.J. Watt, DE/TE, Wisconsin, 6'6 292 4.85. Former TE and walk-on is uber athletic and uber raw, having only played DE at collegiate level for 2 seasons. Sky is the limit for this kid - will only become a bigger beast once he really learns the position. Collected 59 tackles, 7 sacks and 1 INT in 2010, so far.

3. Mark Herzlich, ILB, Boston College, 6'4 245 4.75. The best LB in 2008, better than Laurinaitis, Maualuga, Cushing, McClain, etc. A beast against the run and in coverage. Still managed 4 INTs in 2010 playing with a broken hand. Guy is so tough he literally fought cancer ... and won. Ran in the 4.6's in 2008 before he had to take 2009 off. Only available this late b/c still not 100% and still getting the rust knocked off.

4. Mark LeGree, FS, Appalachian State, 6'0 200 4.52. If this kid played D1, was 2 inches taller or 10 lbs heavier he would be the first safety taken in this draft. Super instinctive ballhawk and ultra productive - 10 INTs in 2008, 7 in 2009 and 5 in 2010 (5 Ints in only 5 games, due to injury). Smallish frame but a hard hitter and very good tackler.

5. John Moffitt, OG, Wisconsin, 6'5 325. Sloppy build so stock will fall after combine, but this guy can flat out play. A pure sloberknocker in the run game.

6a. Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union, 6'0 190 4.43. Hoss sold me on this kid. Playmaker at WR, KR and even RB. Not sure if he lasts this long though.

6b. Shiloh Keo, DB/ST, Idaho, 5'11, 215 4.62. Tackling machine and ST demon. Vicious hitter.

7. Karl Klug, DL, Iowa, 6'3 270 4.79. Undersized, but great work ethic and athleticism, like all Iowa defensive players.

I'll take it and run.

[TheCount]

I'm starting to love LeGree. And Herzlich too, if he's healthy.

[Doomsday101]

John Moffitt in the 5th is wishful thinking.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

John Moffitt in the 5th is wishful thinking.


Cecil in the 6th is even more wishful thinking. Thats like mocking Luck to the patriots at 32. No WAY he lasts that long.

[BAT]

Wheres my tackle?

Both Watt and Klug can play DT. If you mean NT, then maybe Stephen Paea, if he falls to the second round.


2. Stephen Paea, NT/DT, Oregon State, 6'1 315 4.98. Athletic, fast and strong as a mofo. Paea absolutely destroyed USC's Kris O'Dowd this season, a guy known for his power and run blocking. Paea finished with 6 SACKS, 10 TFL, 4 FF in 2010.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Offensive tackle.

[MichaelWinicki]

No offensive lineman before the 5th round?

No secondary help until the 4th round?



Wow.

[BAT]

No offensive lineman before the 5th round?

No secondary help until the 4th round?



Wow.

Its called Free Agency. Plus this is not a good draft for OL.

Cowboys have both talent and depth in the secondary. They also have inexperienced youth (Ansah). Instead of bringing in yet another rook, why not find a vet FS who can QB this secondary?

Consistant pressure on the QB is any secondary's best friend.

Forcing your draft due to need is the surest way to a bust. Take chances on blue chip talent that free falls regardless of position. Not everyone will be a Dez Bryant, but the reward is so much greater than the risk.

[SacredStar]

Dallas needs to select the NCAA's #1 offensive lineman won by Gabe Carimi of Wisconsin.

[MichaelWinicki]

Its called Free Agency. Plus this is not a good draft for OL.

Cowboys have both talent and depth in the secondary. They also have inexperienced youth (Ansah). Instead of bringing in yet another rook, why not find a vet FS who can QB this secondary?

Consistant pressure on the QB is any secondary's best friend.

Forcing your draft due to need is the surest way to a bust. Take chances on blue chip talent that free falls regardless of position. Not everyone will be a Dez Bryant, but the reward is so much greater than the risk.


OK. I got it. There will be NO offensive lineman or safeties who represent a good value when it comes to the Cowboys turn to draft in the first three rounds.

Yeah.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Call me crazy but there has to be a guy or two from this draft who can make this team.

[BAT]

OK. I got it. There will be NO offensive lineman or safeties who represent a good value when it comes to the Cowboys turn to draft in the first three rounds.

Yeah.

LOL. LeGree is the best S in the draft, unless you count Peterson. Why does it matter that I take him in the 4th instead of the 3rd?

So because I choose to use FA to upgrade the OL instead of the first 3 rounds, I deserve your mockery? Moffit is no slouch either, does not matter if he is a 2nd day pick. You obviously do not like the picks no matter the reasons. Your sarcasm and opinion is duly noted.

[MichaelWinicki]

LOL. LeGree is the best S in the draft, unless you count Peterson. Why does it matter that I take him in the 4th instead of the 3rd?

So because I choose to use FA to upgrade the OL instead of the first 3 rounds, I deserve your mockery? Moffit is no slouch either, does not matter if he is a 2nd day pick. You obviously do not like the picks no matter the reasons. Your sarcasm and opinion is duly noted.

I dunno.

Hos' draft came up with a decent FS in the second round.

Your first rounder is big puzzle to me. I assume you think Spencer needs to be replaced, but there's been no inkling that the Cowboys have been dissatisfied with the play of Spencer.

Also keep in mind that Spencer's position is not the primary pass rush position of the defense. Whoever mans that spot has to be well versed against the run and be able to provide coverage.

But the bottom line is, I don't think Spencer is the problem with the pass rush.

Look at the DE's. They're getting no push on the pass rush. What's needed on this defense more-so than another Ware-clone is at least one of the 3-4 DE's who can provide some pass rush.

Again, look at the draft Hos just put up. I think he nailed it the kid he's suggesting the Cowboys take in the first round. He fits this defense to a "T".

Quinn? Not so much.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Nah, Spencer isnt good enough to pass on Quinn if he you have him rated appropriately.

Bat could have went 1 step further w/ his Quinn = Dez comparision. Quinn is a playmaker and our D needs a Dez on defense.

Quinn is also 20 years old and already a man-child. Fairley is almost 23.

[MichaelWinicki]

Nah, Spencer isnt good enough to pass on Quinn if he you have him rated appropriately.

Bat could have went 1 step further w/ his Quinn = Dez comparision. Quinn is a playmaker and our D needs a Dez on defense.

Quinn is also 20 years old and already a man-child. Fairley is almost 23.

In this defense usually four guys rush the passer. The 3 down lineman and Ware.

Spencer is not being utilized as a pass rusher as often as what you think.

It's playing the run and coverage. Those are his two prime responsibilities.

I don't care about the age. It's about filling a need on this team and a disruptive DE end is more necessary than another Ware-clone, who's not going to be rushing the passer that often.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

In this defense usually four guys rush the passer. The 3 down lineman and Ware.

Spencer is not being utilized as a pass rusher as often as what you think.

It's playing the run and coverage. Those are his two prime responsibilities.

I don't care about the age. It's about filling a need on this team and a disruptive DE end is more necessary than another Ware-clone, who's not going to be rushing the passer that often.


This will be an unusually good pick for this team. Its actually somewhat of a fluke considering the terrible HC to start and amazing one going forward. I dont want to use the reward for this terrible season based on solely on need

Thats why I also like Patrick Peterson, who may not start until year 2.(But will still see plenty of time when Newman moves to the slot)


We could do worse then another go around w/ some combination of Igor, Bowen, Hatcher, Rat, Price, Spears, Lessimore, Rookie X.


Ware, Spencer, and Quinn are big boys. I dont want to hire the D-coordinator that couldnt find a use for them

[Manwiththeplan]

LOL. LeGree is the best S in the draft, unless you count Peterson. Why does it matter that I take him in the 4th instead of the 3rd?

How many appalachain state games have you seen? Saying he's the best safety in the draft is a bit much (b/c peterson will be playing cb most likely).

[TheCount]

As I've said, I don't think Quinn is the prospect some are making him out to be. I think Bowers is a better prospect but he doesn't fit with our team neccessarily.

[the truth of it all]

id love herzlich and lee in the middle. would be great.. also like quinn. We need to get off this winning out the season bs. Its over let it go . better for the team to let the younger guys get more playing time IE lee and prepare for the more than likely bright future to come.

[BAT]

I dunno.

Hos' draft came up with a decent FS in the second round.

Your first rounder is big puzzle to me. I assume you think Spencer needs to be replaced, but there's been no inkling that the Cowboys have been dissatisfied with the play of Spencer.

Also keep in mind that Spencer's position is not the primary pass rush position of the defense. Whoever mans that spot has to be well versed against the run and be able to provide coverage.

But the bottom line is, I don't think Spencer is the problem with the pass rush.

Look at the DE's. They're getting no push on the pass rush. What's needed on this defense more-so than another Ware-clone is at least one of the 3-4 DE's who can provide some pass rush.

Again, look at the draft Hos just put up. I think he nailed it the kid he's suggesting the Cowboys take in the first round. He fits this defense to a "T".

Quinn? Not so much.

LOL. Not sure what you are trying to convince me of, changing my draft because you prefer another fan's or that 3-4 DEs are more important to the pass rush than a 3-4 OLB.

To the latter, Pasqualoni's philosophy certainly prefers not to rush 5 or more, but Wade rushed 5 quite a bit before he was termed. Spencer is an average to above average pass rusher. His production, or lack there of, proves it. Compare Spencer to Merriman's numbers under Wade. Or even Shaun Phillips (who plays Ware's position). Not even close. Not sure if you noticed, but Dallas' 3-4 DEs have never been prolific pass rushers. NEVER. And I doubt that Pasqualoni is the DC of the future in Big D anyway, especially if his pass rush hinges on a 300 lb DE to consistently pressure the QB.

Again, the comparison with Dez should be self explanatory. Cowboys came off a season last year with the coming out party of Miles Austin. Plus Jerry had no intention of letting Roy go. Crayton was a stellar third receiver with Ogletree up and coming. Yet, Jerry could not pass on a talent like Dez, rightly so. If the Cowboys can pick up another Ware, they would be beyond stupid not to.

Deunta Williams is a very good safety. He will be the first safety taken no doubt. But he will not be available for the Cowboys in round 2, my opinion. However, as good a player as Williams' is, he is not the premiere defender on the UNC defense. UNC's defense is anchored by its front 7. Marvin Austin, Sturdivant, Carter and Coples grade out higher than Williams. But out of all those guys, Robert Quinn is the most feared by opposing coaches/teams. Quinn is a freak, even among all these blue chip players at UNC.

Nick Fairley is a stud too, likely a top 5-8 pick. Watt is almost as productive, just as athletic, but has better value. But the point is likely moot anyway, if the Cowboys keep winning, Fairley will be out of their reach. Quinn is the better talent IMO, but he will only be available b/c of the off the field issues.

Whether you agree with me or not does not matter. I just hope the Cowboys continue picking up blue chippers who drop regardless of position. I would never settle for "decent" talent when I hire, instead gambling on the "best" especially if I can get them for great value. Always take the best talent available.

[BAT]

How many appalachain state games have you seen? Saying he's the best safety in the draft is a bit much (b/c peterson will be playing cb most likely).

Have not seen any Appalachian State games live. I have only seen youtubes and read a whole bunch of articles. Every opposing offense game plans against LeGree, he is the MAN on that defense. Yet he still gets his turnovers and his tackles. The kid is a known entity, he surprises NONE of his opponents, yet he still makes plays, each and every game. UNC has a TON of talent surrounding Deunta Williams, plus Butch Davis coaching him up.

I have no doubt that Peterson could play either S spot. And his athleticism, especially for his size, is off the charts. Not saying Deunta Williams is not a good player, but I like LeGree's instincts and production better.

[Manwiththeplan]

I have no doubt that Peterson could play either S spot. And his athleticism, especially for his size, is off the charts. Not saying Deunta Williams is not a good player, but I like LeGree's instincts and production better.

I'm definately nitpicking, but claiming a DIAA player is the best prospect in the draft is just a random shot in the dark to me, especially if you haven't seen him play.

FWIW, I don't care for Deunta Williams either. Atleast not at FS, may make a good SS.

[BAT]

I'm definately nitpicking, but claiming a DIAA player is the best prospect in the draft is just a random shot in the dark to me, especially if you haven't seen him play.

FWIW, I don't care for Deunta Williams either. Atleast not at FS, may make a good SS.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. Not claiming omniscience just going off the comments from his coaches & opposing teams. LeGree is the Polamalu of his defense.