So, my wife sends me a text...

[Venger]

She's at dinner with some girlfriends, and she sez...

"Tony Romo is here. He's wearing a ball cap inside. What a tool......"

:muttley:

[bbgun]

Backwards, no doubt.

[Venger]

Backwards, no doubt.

Does he wear it any other way? I will confirm when she gets home.

Wearing hats in restaurants, especially at dinner, is a pet peeve of ours. Folks were raised in a barn, I'd swear it...

I love the way the Duke handled it. Watch a John Wayne movie, anyone walks in with a hat and doesn't take it off gets a "Is your head cold?" Love old school....

[bbgun]

Does he wear it any other way? I will confirm when she gets home.

Wearing hats in restaurants, especially at dinner, is a pet peeve of ours. Folks were raised in a barn, I'd swear it...

I love the way the Duke handled it. Watch a John Wayne movie, anyone walks in with a hat and doesn't take it off gets a "Is your head cold?" Love old school....

Well, we know he's not trying to hide baldness.

[Gemini Dolly]

Tony says he wears caps because he looks better in them.

I prefer the cap look than that stupid barf inducing newsie thingy.

Did your wife say if hes with the fiancee?

[Temo]

He's probably wearing the cap for the same reason most celebs do: to remain inconspicuous.

[Venger]

Did your wife say if hes with the fiancee?
She texted, will ask when she gets home, unless she brings home her drunk friends for a once-in-a-lifetime semi-drunk Christmas present for me... please Santa PLEASE...
He's probably wearing the cap for the same reason most celebs do: to remain inconspicuous.
I think he wears it because he's got a some aww-shucks Gomer in him... but man, in a nice place eating dinner, get that thing off your head unless you are playing center field or about to go mow their lawn...

[MonsterD]

I think he wears it because he's got a some aww-shucks Gomer in him... but man, in a nice place eating dinner, get that thing off your head unless you are playing center field or about to go mow their lawn...

What's wrong with wearing your cap at Burger King?:gent:

[ChldsPlay]

People that care about "etiquette" boggle my mind. Such stupid stuff to care about. What the hell does having a hat on while you eat have to do with anything. Does it give you gas or something?

[Venger]

Update - fiancee? Yes. Ball cap? Forwards.

[MonsterD]

People that care about "etiquette" boggle my mind. Such stupid stuff to care about. What the hell does having a hat on while you eat have to do with anything. Does it give you gas or something?


If you go to a 5 star restaurant and wear a hat, well a crappy hat like a cap it is just uncouth. I guess you could also go to a funeral in your ski outfit or just a thong, be ok too huh.

[bbgun]

If you go to a 5 star restaurant and wear a hat, well a crappy hat like a cap it is just uncouth. I guess you could also go to a funeral in your ski outfit or just a thong, be ok too huh.

:hammer:

sxtxzF5L8VA

[SaltwaterServr]

People that care about "etiquette" boggle my mind. Such stupid stuff to care about. What the hell does having a hat on while you eat have to do with anything. Does it give you gas or something?

Etiquette will pop up in the strangest places. Do not believe for a second it doesn't factor into interpersonal networking, which can take you places you would not have access to otherwise.

[Tio]

I'm sure if he is wearing a ball cap forwards it is so that he might not be recognized.

Is it even that nice of a restaurant?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

If you go to a 5 star restaurant and wear a hat, well a crappy hat like a cap it is just uncouth. I guess you could also go to a funeral in your ski outfit or just a thong, be ok too huh.

:hammer:

sxtxzF5L8VA



Its all made up rules. People used to ear powdered wigs too.

If you really want to see Tony's hair you can google it

[Idgit]

Were you people all born in the 1880's?

Hats are for outdoor protection. They're not needed indoors, but it's hardly a point of modern etiquette to require they be taken off. I don't know that I know a single person under the age of 60 who would even be aware enough to consider that custom anymore, much less care about something so outdated.

[Teren_Kanan]

Yeah the hat thing is outdated and needs to go away. Hats are comfortable to wear, more so than wearing nothing at times, depending on your hair.

Never understood stuff like that, even when parents tried to drill it into me. Like keeping your elbows off the table when you eat. No thanks, more comfortable that way.

[HoleInTheRoof]

That was pretty tacky of your wife to text you while she was on her date with Tony Romo.

[Hostile]

Were you people all born in the 1880's?

Hats are for outdoor protection. They're not needed indoors, but it's hardly a point of modern etiquette to require they be taken off. I don't know that I know a single person under the age of 60 who would even be aware enough to consider that custom anymore, much less care about something so outdated.I'm under 60 and I am aware. I do not wear a cap or hat indoors. Never have. Never will unless it is like at Home Depot and I am buying parts.

When I was a kid I remember at dances when cowboys held their hat in their hand behind the lady's back. I remember Bum Phillips not wearing his hat in the Astrodome. It just wasn't done.

But caps in particular become a fashion statement years ago and people wear them as an accessory. I wear a cap or hat to protect my head or face from the sun.

I used to work in a sporting goods shop when I was in college. I used to marvel at guys looking for caps with no wrinkles. If it had a wrinkle it was no use to them.

It's not like he was wearing his sunglasses indoors at night. Now that is the one that looks absolutely stupid to me.

[Sam I Am]

I never wear hats, seldom wear caps. (I only own Cowboys and Rangers caps) If I am wearing a cap, I do not take it off when I go indoors somewhere. Then again, I don't exactly wear that cap to places that I would consider it to be inappropriate. A fast food restaurant, a friends house to watch a football game, a sports bar, a grocery store, etc. There is zero reason for me to take it off.

Basically, if I were going somewhere that I wouldn't wear jeans and a t-shirt, then I also wouldn't wear a cap. All other places get the cap treatment. :)

[Sam I Am]

It's not like he was wearing his sunglasses indoors at night. Now that is the one that looks absolutely stupid to me.

Even if you're Jack Nicholson and you are wearing them because you're stoned out of your mind and in the front row of a Laker game thats on national TV? :laugh2:

[Joe Realist]

Maybe he has a bald spot and needs to consult Tom Brady for hair restoration..

[Sam I Am]

Maybe he has a bald spot and needs to consult Ton Brady for hair restoration..

Brady wears a wig. :D

[DallasCowboysRule!]

My Dallas Cowboys cap is part of who I am. I'm identified with it so much that it's become famous among my circle of friends and acquaintances. You will rarely see me without my cap on although there are a few exceptions. I don't wear hats to church and formal events such as college graduations. But do I wear it inside a restaurant? Sure do.

[trickblue]

I wear caps inside all of the time although I know I shouldn't...

Everyone knows a doo rag is the only appropriate indoor head covering...

[Faerluna]

If you go to a 5 star restaurant and wear a hat, well a crappy hat like a cap it is just uncouth. I guess you could also go to a funeral in your ski outfit or just a thong, be ok too huh.

I doubt his wife and her girlfriends are slugging down cosmopolitans at a 5-star restaurant.

[Venger]

I doubt his wife and her girlfriends are slugging down cosmopolitans at a 5-star restaurant.
Actually... it's pretty high tone...

http://www.seasons52.com/menu/default.asp

It's definitely not low brow. And he was the only guy in a ball cap...

[bbgun]

I keep my cap on during trips to the grocery store or McDonald's, but if it's a sit down restaurant with a waiter or waitress, or if I'm a guest in someone's home, off it goes.

[trickblue]

I keep my cap on during trips to the grocery store or McDonald's, but if it's a sit down restaurant with a waiter or waitress, or if I'm a guest in someone's home, off it goes.

When were you ever a guest in someone's home?

Sometimes your imagination runs a bit too rampant... :rolleyes:

[DFWJC]

Update - fiancee? Yes. Ball cap? Forwards.
Forwards tells us he was at least trying to lay low.

If it's a nice place, wearing a cap is a bit toolish, but not that much so. It's fairly common these days, and it certainly doesn't harm anyone. It's a bit superficial to even be concerned about something so irrelevent...but it's all in good fun.

I'm not sure what the cut-off would be. A middle of the road place that has waitresses? I know if you walk into Mi Cosina in Highland Park on a Friday or Saturday evening, there will still be 7-8 (or more) people with caps on. And many of these guys are as comfortable in a tux as they are in jeans.

[bbgun]

When were you ever a guest in someone's home?

http://www.acegames.us/forum/attachments/free-mp3-ringtones/53799d1233210381t-herbert-family-guy-oldman.jpg

[cbfan55]

http://www.acegames.us/forum/attachments/free-mp3-ringtones/53799d1233210381t-herbert-family-guy-oldman.jpg (http://www.acegames.us/forum/attachments/free-mp3-ringtones/53799d1233210381t-herbert-family-guy-oldman.jpg)

:lmao2:

[MonsterD]

My Dallas Cowboys cap is part of who I am. I'm identified with it so much that it's become famous among my circle of friends and acquaintances. You will rarely see me without my cap on although there are a few exceptions. I don't wear hats to church and formal events such as college graduations. But do I wear it inside a restaurant? Sure do.


Something tells me that Romo was not eating at the Olive Garden. Look at the photo of him proposing. Do you see him wearing a cap when he is on his knee proposing to Candice?

If you went a very fancy restaurant and drop say 200 bucks on an entree, you wear a baseball cap to it? Logically the most stringent mores still hold in those situations.

[Eric_Boyer]

What a tool

funny, this is how I feel about fashion police.

[theogt]

Nice restaurant? Take the damn cap off. Those "silly etiquette rules" are what prevent middle-aged fat men from wearing thong bikinis in the middle of the mall. In other words, they may be arbitrary rules, but people need to abide by them.

[BehindEnemyLinez]

That was pretty tacky of your wife to text you while she was on her date with Tony Romo.
I literally LOL'd!!!

[ChldsPlay]

Etiquette will pop up in the strangest places. Do not believe for a second it doesn't factor into interpersonal networking, which can take you places you would not have access to otherwise.

Oh, I'm fully aware that it does, but that's because people are stupid and have to whine about something, so they worry about the most asinine and unimportant things.

[ChldsPlay]

Nice restaurant? Take the damn cap off. Those "silly etiquette rules" are what prevent middle-aged fat men from wearing thong bikinis in the middle of the mall. In other words, they may be arbitrary rules, but people need to abide by them.

One gives people nightmares, the other does nothing except to stuck up whiners who think they're better than others. Not even close to the same thing.

[bbgun]

One gives people nightmares, the other does nothing except to stuck up whiners who think they're better than others. Not even close to the same thing.

People advocating basic manners = stuck up whining? Interesting.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Its an extra piece of attire. I can chose to be offended by a tie or a watch if I want, it doesnt make it right.

[theogt]

One gives people nightmares, the other does nothing except to stuck up whiners who think they're better than others. Not even close to the same thing.It doesn't surprise me that you in particular would have a problem with someone suggesting it's inappropriate to wear a baseball cap at a nice restaurant. You may also consider eating with forks and knives, as well as not going bare feet.

[theogt]

Its an extra piece of attire. I can chose to be offended by a tie or a watch if I want, it doesnt make it right.Like most things in life, you can do as you please. You can say what you like and dress how you like as long as it breaks no laws. However, people in turn have the right to call you out on your behavior and make fun of you, as well.

[Venger]

I've really bitten my tongue not to respond in this thread... but manners and etiquette are about mutual and self respect. Acting dignified with self respect is a gift a man gives himself, that others cannot take. If you -

stand for the pledge of allegiance
say please and thank you

et.al. you are involving yourself in the public system of etiquette. Wearing appropriate attire shows pride and respect to others in whose company you find yourself. If you can't be bothered to comport yourself with care and minimal effort, it speaks volumes to others about your character.

Going to church naked doesn't "hurt" anyone, and I hope that shows the ridiculous backwardness of that line of thinking... words like class, dignity, gentleman, etc. all indicate a familiarity with carrying oneself in public in a dignified manner. Walking into a nice restaurant with a ballcap and flip-flops shows those words are unfamiliar to the wearer...

[Idgit]

I've really bitten my tongue not to respond in this thread... but manners and etiquette are about mutual and self respect. Acting dignified with self respect is a gift a man gives himself, that others cannot take. If you -

stand for the pledge of allegiance
say please and thank you

et.al. you are involving yourself in the public system of etiquette. Wearing appropriate attire shows pride and respect to others in whose company you find yourself. If you can't be bothered to comport yourself with care and minimal effort, it speaks volumes to others about your character.

Going to church naked doesn't "hurt" anyone, and I hope that shows the ridiculous backwardness of that line of thinking... words like class, dignity, gentleman, etc. all indicate a familiarity with carrying oneself in public in a dignified manner. Walking into a nice restaurant with a ballcap and flip-flops shows those words are unfamiliar to the wearer...

Or, just maybe, they have a different definition of 'dignity' than you do. Maybe they live lives of respect and dignity and service--all while wearing a baseball cap.

How much character does it take to call someone a 'tool' for nothing other than what they're wearing? That characterization itself speaks more to me than a hat or lack thereof ever would.

[Venger]

Or, just maybe, they have a different definition of 'dignity' than you do. Maybe they live lives of respect and dignity and service--all while wearing a baseball cap.
We can rationalize all sorts of slovenly behavior if we make words fit our mood. Perhaps someone who doesn't shower just doesn't have the same definition of "clean" as I do. I'm sure there is a way to gild just about any aberrant behavior in the name of self-actualization.

How much character does it take to call someone a 'tool' for nothing other than what they're wearing?
How about clown shoes? Those cool? Maybe at a family funeral? See, we all have lines, we just disagree where those lines are. Everyone else managed to be dressed appropriately. Do everyone else the same courtesy.
That characterization itself speaks more to me than a hat or lack thereof ever would.The civilized world has expectations and standards. Ignore them at your peril.

[Idgit]

We can rationalize all sorts of slovenly behavior if we make words fit our mood. Perhaps someone who doesn't shower just doesn't have the same definition of "clean" as I do. I'm sure there is a way to gild just about any aberrant behavior in the name of self-actualization.

We can also classify all sorts of normal behavior as slovenly, if we make arbitrary evaluations fit our mood. Green ties after September? Insulting. Not wearing hats in a restaurant? Just think of all that loose hair falling into my pasta! Such piggishnish shouldn't be tolerated!

Sanitation issues are an exception, here, but that's not the topic of the thread.

How about clown shoes? Those cool? Maybe at a family funeral? See, we all have lines, we just disagree where those lines are. Everyone else managed to be dressed appropriately. Do everyone else the same courtesy.

The civilized world has expectations and standards. Ignore them at your peril.

The problem is when you think you have any say in terms of what's appropriate for another person. It really is none of your business. At all. You don't have to like it, as long as you realize that your opinion has no bearing on what another person should or should not do.

Meet the 'civilized' world's expectations and arbitrary standards at the cost of your own judgment? This is the same argument behind burqas and public school dress uniforms. I'll wear my burqa where I please, thank you.

Honor arbitrary standards at your own peril. There's very little meaningful downside in ignoring them in an enlightened society.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Like most things in life, you can do as you please. You can say what you like and dress how you like as long as it breaks no laws. However, people in turn have the right to call you out on your behavior and make fun of you, as well.


For some reason you think Im claiming I have the right to be rude, which I am not. Im saying what is rude about a hat? Theres no reason for it to bother you.

You guys keep taking things to extremes like wearing a thing to a funeral or wearing a who farted T-shirt to your wedding. Youre doing that b/c you know that is actually rude, and a hat is not.

[theogt]

For some reason you think Im claiming I have the right to be rude, which I am not. Im saying what is rude about a hat? Theres no reason for it to bother you.

You guys keep taking things to extremes like wearing a thing to a funeral or wearing a who farted T-shirt to your wedding. Youre doing that b/c you know that is actually rude, and a hat is not.Why do you get to determine what is extreme and what isn't?

These are social norms. No one person decides. It's based on broadly accepted societal practices.

[theogt]

I'll wear my burqa where I please, thank you.I'll comment on your ridiculous outfits as I please, thank you.

[gmoney112]

No one cares that Romo was wearing a hat at Applebee's.

[Idgit]

I'll comment on your ridiculous outfits as I please, thank you.

Fair enough. I promise I'll respect your right to express old-man opinions.
:mad:

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Why do you get to determine what is extreme and what isn't?

These are social norms. No one person decides. It's based on broadly accepted societal practices.


Im not deciding anything, we all are seeing the same things. I see a hat and think 'hmm, hes a Bulls fan'. Conversely you see a hat and equate it to a strip show at my dads funeral.


If someone had a hat that was made to look like hair would that be ok? B/C thats all your missing under there.

[MonsterD]

For some reason you think Im claiming I have the right to be rude, which I am not. Im saying what is rude about a hat? Theres no reason for it to bother you.

You guys keep taking things to extremes like wearing a thing to a funeral or wearing a who farted T-shirt to your wedding. Youre doing that b/c you know that is actually rude, and a hat is not.


How is wearing a T-shirt to a wedding rude? You are choosing to say one thing then dismissing it the next sentence, either nothing is rude like wearing certain things or saying certain things or it IS and there are standards set by many people throughout time.

I am not saying things don't change but there is some kind of standard still, and a person wearing a casual item of clothing or casual clothes to a formal event or high class place such as a restaurant(very specific ones) are breaking some standards.

Be free wear shorts or whatever you want to an opera or concert with a symphony , do want you want, like Theo said people have the right to think less of you as well, goes with the territory.

[MonsterD]

No one cares that Romo was wearing a hat at Applebee's.


true..

[MarionBarberThe4th]

How is wearing a T-shirt to a wedding rude? You are choosing to say one thing then dismissing it the next sentence, either nothing is rude like wearing certain things or saying certain things or it IS and there are standards set by many people throughout time.

I am not saying things don't change but there is some kind of standard still, and a person wearing a casual item of clothing or casual clothes to a formal event or high class place such as a restaurant(very specific ones) are breaking some standards.

Be free wear shorts or whatever you want to an opera or concert with a symphony , do want you want, like Theo said people have the right to think less of you as well, goes with the territory.


You dont wear a who farted T-shirt to a wedding b/c it is inappropriate. It conjures up objectionable imagery on whats supposed to be the best day of a females life.

[bbgun]

No one cares that Romo was wearing a hat at Applebee's.

You're right. The fact that he was dining there was a much greater offense.

[gmoney112]

How is wearing a T-shirt to a wedding rude? You are choosing to say one thing then dismissing it the next sentence, either nothing is rude like wearing certain things or saying certain things or it IS and there are standards set by many people throughout time.

I am not saying things don't change but there is some kind of standard still, and a person wearing a casual item of clothing or casual clothes to a formal event or high class place such as a restaurant(very specific ones) are breaking some standards.

Be free wear shorts or whatever you want to an opera or concert with a symphony , do want you want, like Theo said people have the right to think less of you as well, goes with the territory.

I've seen billionaires walking around to formal events in sandals and t-shirts. "Standards" are for people who actually care about catering to others views to elevate their own self worth. There's a difference between morals and standards, and personally I could care less about whatever someone decides to wear. I come from a very successful family, and I refuse to say my last name because i'm sure some will recognize it if you're from Texas. If you're intelligent, have a moral system that collaborates with "good", then who really gives a **** about your attire?

[MonsterD]

I've seen billionaires walking around to formal events in sandals and t-shirts. "Standards" are for people who actually care about catering to others views to elevate their own self worth. There's a difference between morals and standards, and personally I could care less about whatever someone decides to wear. I come from a very successful family, and I refuse to say my last name because i'm sure some will recognize it if you're from Texas. If you're intelligent, have a moral system that collaborates with "good", then who really gives a **** about your attire?



Mores are something apart from ethics and just standards, something that has been instilled for long periods of time. Again, eventually change does take over, but people will have a standard they regard, always.

It is fine to be the one who wants to give a "who gives a f about you, it's always about me" attitude, good, that is great. People are going to react and that is that.

[theogt]

You're right. The fact that he was dining there was a much greater offense.Wait -- this was Applebee's? A hat is more acceptable there.

[Hostile]

Wait -- this was Applebee's? A hat is more acceptable there.No. He posted the place earlier.

[bbgun]

Wait -- this was Applebee's? A hat is more acceptable there.

Hat shmat. I would have worn a fake mustache to avoid being recognized.

[UnoDallas]

when he wears this I just got to chuckle to my self

he really looks bad


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j190/sjurg71/Blue-Star-Exclusive-Tony-Romos-Hat-Speaks.jpg (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j190/sjurg71/Blue-Star-Exclusive-Tony-Romos-Hat-Speaks.jpg)

[DFWJC]

Wait -- this was Applebee's? A hat is more acceptable there.
:laugh2:
Seriously.
I've seen Applebees almost look like Sport's Bar on certain days. Swank it is not.

This whole thread comes down to individual tastes and preferences. Unless someone is violating an establishment's dress code, it really is no harm-no foul. If some say that's poor taste, that's fine too...but it's no big deal.

Now this is not at all the same as the wedding argument earlier. Assuming it is not an ultra casual affair, then the guest (let's not forget that difference, the person was invited and it's not an open event) should at least respect the host's wishes on attire. Generally a lude teeshirt would be beyond rude to the hosts. This is not the same as sytle differences.

[Idgit]

when he wears this I just got to chuckle to my self

he really looks bad


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j190/sjurg71/Blue-Star-Exclusive-Tony-Romos-Hat-Speaks.jpg (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j190/sjurg71/Blue-Star-Exclusive-Tony-Romos-Hat-Speaks.jpg)

The Newsie hat really *is* ridiculous.

[Gemini Dolly]

when he wears this I just got to chuckle to my self

he really looks bad


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j190/sjurg71/Blue-Star-Exclusive-Tony-Romos-Hat-Speaks.jpg (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j190/sjurg71/Blue-Star-Exclusive-Tony-Romos-Hat-Speaks.jpg)

My eyes! Now that should be some type of moral violation etiquette code.

[Venger]

We can also classify all sorts of normal behavior as slovenly, if we make arbitrary evaluations fit our mood. Green ties after September? Insulting.
Only if it's black tie...

The problem is when you think you have any say in terms of what's appropriate for another person. It really is none of your business. At all. You don't have to like it, as long as you realize that your opinion has no bearing on what another person should or should not do.
While sympathetic to this ultra-libertarian line of thinking, it is not functional when living with other people. We have written in law and unwritten in social mores expectations for how we behave together in certain situations. That includes how we present ourselves to the world.

Meet the 'civilized' world's expectations and arbitrary standards at the cost of your own judgment?
I think judgment is what we would call "the point" here... "I'll wear whatever I like, I don't care what anyone says" - is that good judgment? To dinner? To church? To Dad's funeral? To my nephew's baptism? You cannot possibly think that line of thought belongs in any head older than 8 years old. If you think the hat thing is passe and old fashioned and should be ignored - yeah, I hear you. But you can make that point on a rational person basis, not on a do-what-I-want-cause-I-am-FREE basis that doesn't pass muster in the real world.

This is the same argument behind burqas and public school dress uniforms. I'll wear my burqa where I please, thank you.
Not sure how you got to a burqa from here, nor how it applies...
Honor arbitrary standards at your own peril.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...

Nothing arbitrary about them - social standards of conduct are a result of interactions across generations of people functioning in society. They are exactly the opposite of arbitrary.
There's very little meaningful downside in ignoring them in an enlightened society.
Remember that when you wear a nose ring and go shirtless at your next job interview. Maybe you'll be interviewing at an 'enlightened' employer. It is enlightened society that embraces social mores - it's the self involved who have no time nor concern for the appearance of their acts in the eyes of others.

A society you describe would lack even the most basic courtesies.

[Venger]

This whole thread comes down to individual tastes and preferences. Unless someone is violating an establishment's dress code, it really is no harm-no foul. If some say that's poor taste, that's fine too...but it's no big deal.
I think that's all it ever was...

[Venger]

The Newsie hat really *is* ridiculous.

He looks like he should be caddying for Byron Nelson in 1937...

EDIT: At least he wasn't wearing these. What the... (http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/nipple-enhancers-would-you-wear-them-2425064/;_ylt=An3GzfHCs3VoX.HB3wWAmPeBbqU5)

[bbgun]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9583/03189u2.jpg

Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Pampered athletes defying societal conventions!

[ConcordCowboy]

when he wears this I just got to chuckle to my self

he really looks bad


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j190/sjurg71/Blue-Star-Exclusive-Tony-Romos-Hat-Speaks.jpg (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j190/sjurg71/Blue-Star-Exclusive-Tony-Romos-Hat-Speaks.jpg)

He looks like a total dork.

Always has...always will.

If Candice has any say...she will tell him to never wear that thing again.

I don't care if it's front...back or side ways...those things look stupid...period.

Oh...also...take your fricking hat off in a nice restaurant or someone else's home.

I'm glad my parents taught me some manners.

I don't care if it has become fashionable or not.

It is wrong and will always be looked down upon.

Oh you can do as you please...but you're wrong.

[Gemini Dolly]

He looks like a total dork.

Always has...always will.

If Candice has any say...she will tell him to never wear that thing again.

I don't care if it's front...back or side ways...those things look stupid...period.

Oh...also...take your fricking hat off in a nice restaurant or someone else's home.

I'm glad my parents taught me some manners.

I don't care if it has become fashionable or not.

It is wrong and will always be looked down upon.

Oh you can do as you please...but you're wrong.

Funny thing I found a few months ago. Candice wrote this before they started dating, after the regular season loss to Philadelphia.

And while I'm on the subject, the fashion shows that Romo has during the press conferences are creating quite a lot of animosity among the fans. Someone needs to tell him that after yet another loss, coming out in a beret only shifts the focus from how you completely lost the game to how you have completely lost your mind.

[Venger]

That's not a beret, it's a golfers cap (flat cap)...

Was that after 44-6 Philly? Everything was wrong that day...

[ConcordCowboy]

Funny thing I found a few months ago. Candice wrote this before they started dating, after the regular season loss to Philadelphia.

Behind every great man...is a woman.

:D

[ConcordCowboy]

That's not a beret, it's a golfers cap (flat cap)...

Was that after 44-6 Philly? Everything was wrong that day...

True.

[bmzt31]

who really care whether is wearing hat?????

[ChldsPlay]

People advocating basic manners = stuck up whining? Interesting.

Basic to who and for what reason? You're not being polite by taking the hat off, you're not doing anything for anyone by wearing it or not. Others just need to mind their own business, it hurts nobody, and not a soul should be bothered by it.

[bbgun]

Basic to who

The vast majority of sensible and considerate people.

and for what reason?

It's widely considered to be rude.

You're not being polite by taking the hat off, you're not doing anything for anyone by wearing it or not. Others just need to mind their own business, it hurts nobody, and not a soul should be bothered by it.

Then prepare to be ostracized. You have the right to flout society's conventions, and the people you offend have the right to react.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I rarely wear hats but if I do, I don't take them off indoors, hell I wear one only because I haven't washed my hair yet and don't want people to see it dirty. I also only wear my baseball hats backwards amd usually only with track pants.

Hats are a fashion statement now so why take them off.

[SaltwaterServr]

The vast majority of sensible and considerate people.



It's widely considered to be rude.



Then prepare to be ostracized. You have the right to flout society's conventions, and the people you offend have the right to react.

Precisely. It's occurred to me that one Child's Play enjoys being argumentative, for the sake of being.

The next time I'm reprimanded for holding the door open for a lady will be the third instance, life time. The next time I'm corrected for not holding it open will be the first, lifetime. Yes, there are very liberated women in the world. Yes, they'll take offense at it. I'm still going to do it, because it's the right thing to do.

Somethings are a matter of upbringing and personal mores. A person who lets the door drop in front of a lady tells me a lot about them as a person.

Good example, I rode the bus to school from the parking lots every day this past semester. I couldn't count the number of times I chose to stand to give my seat up to a much younger lady. I also couldn't count the number of times I was turned down. Same reason why I carried two umbrellas with me all the time to campus. Gave both of them away every time it rained too.

Not that I'm dumb, I carry a plastic poncho as well.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Precisely. It's occurred to me that one Child's Play enjoys being argumentative, for the sake of being.

The next time I'm reprimanded for holding the door open for a lady will be the third instance, life time. The next time I'm corrected for not holding it open will be the first, lifetime. Yes, there are very liberated women in the world. Yes, they'll take offense at it. I'm still going to do it, because it's the right thing to do.

Somethings are a matter of upbringing and personal mores. A person who lets the door drop in front of a lady tells me a lot about them as a person.

Good example, I rode the bus to school from the parking lots every day this past semester. I couldn't count the number of times I chose to stand to give my seat up to a much younger lady. I also couldn't count the number of times I was turned down. Same reason why I carried two umbrellas with me all the time to campus. Gave both of them away every time it rained too.

Not that I'm dumb, I carry a plastic poncho as well.

I will give a seat up to a pregnant woman and a senior but that is it. I see women as equal so they can stand too.

[Idgit]

Precisely. It's occurred to me that one Child's Play enjoys being argumentative, for the sake of being.

The next time I'm reprimanded for holding the door open for a lady will be the third instance, life time. The next time I'm corrected for not holding it open will be the first, lifetime. Yes, there are very liberated women in the world. Yes, they'll take offense at it. I'm still going to do it, because it's the right thing to do.

Somethings are a matter of upbringing and personal mores. A person who lets the door drop in front of a lady tells me a lot about them as a person.

Good example, I rode the bus to school from the parking lots every day this past semester. I couldn't count the number of times I chose to stand to give my seat up to a much younger lady. I also couldn't count the number of times I was turned down. Same reason why I carried two umbrellas with me all the time to campus. Gave both of them away every time it rained too.

Not that I'm dumb, I carry a plastic poncho as well.

There's courtesy, and then there's 'not wearing a hat indoors.' The two aren't connected. So people can stop being sanctimonious about their displeasure that things aren't they way they used to be. You guys aren't more courteous, or cut from a better cloth because of when and where you wear your hats. Really, you're not.

[SaltwaterServr]

There's courtesy, and then there's 'not wearing a hat indoors.' The two aren't connected. So people can stop being sanctimonious about their displeasure that things aren't they way they used to be. You guys aren't more courteous, or cut from a better cloth because of when and where you wear your hats. Really, you're not.

They are distinctly connected without a degree of separation. Things are as they were, as those of us care to carry forward traditions of respect, courtesy, and chivalry forward to our children refuse to let basic tenets of such die at the ambivalence of those who care not for them.

Truly, by every understanding, we are being more courteous.

[Sam I Am]

The vast majority of sensible and considerate people.



It's widely considered to be rude.



Then prepare to be ostracized. You have the right to flout society's conventions, and the people you offend have the right to react.

Well, you know me. I don't need no <bleeping> manners! <burrrrrp>

http://eurthisnthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/paul-rodriguez.jpg

Gotta love The Whoopee Boys. :)

[Idgit]

They are distinctly connected without a degree of separation. Things are as they were, as those of us care to carry forward traditions of respect, courtesy, and chivalry forward to our children refuse to let basic tenets of such die at the ambivalence of those who care not for them.

Truly, by every understanding, we are being more courteous.

Care to offer even a shred of evidence that what you choose to do with your hat, and where, involves courtesy? Otherwise, all you have is an outdated and silly convention coupled with what I'd call a distinctly discourteous condescension.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The whole hat thing is pretty silly in the grand scheme of things.

I do not go to a 5star joint. If I did I would probably be wearing something nice that would not include a hat. I doubt I would wear a hat while wearing a business suit.

However If I am in a regular eatery...whether that be a simple hamburger joint or something just slight above it like a Red Lobster or Olive garden. I will wear my hate and if it offends someone else or they find it rude...maybe they need to get a wet wipe out and clean the sand out of there * censored*

I would also state that if a eatery wants a specific dress code they can always have that clearly stated. Suit and tie required, no hats and so on. Then if someone wants to make a stink about it...to heck with them, that is what is stated. So again...if it is clearly stated by the place of business, follow those guidelines or find another place to eat.

Now If I am at a place that is not of that type and someone comes over to ask me to remove my hat there are some different scenarios that happen.

If it is someone that works at the eatery (say a manager) and they ask me to remove the hat and do so in a good manner. I would remove it and ask them to start having a sign or something up that states they want no hats.

If a person, another customer, comes up to me and asks kindly for me to remove my hat...I would probably kindly say no thanks, I will keep it on. Unless I just did not care one way or the other that day.

If a person, another customer, comes up and rudely tells me to remove my hat because they find it rude or offensive. I would tell them to mind their own business and that I find their nosiness and attitude to speak to me in such a manner to be rude and offensive.

If someone came up and took the hat off the top of my head...he would wake up in the hospital and learn a valuable lesson to never do that again.

There is nothing rude or offensive about wearing a hat when you eat. It is a silly old tradition that some have clung to.

I would much rather people would learn other manners that are more conducive to promoting a feeling of respect among people...Like saying Thank You. Tipping a good waiter. Opening a door for a lady, older people or other people in general. Wearing a hat should offend no one unless they are anal retentive and have too much time worrying about others instead of their selves when they are out eating.

Reminds me of my mom when the family would go out to eat. She was more concerned looking at and talking about other people to actually enjoy the meal with her own family. Got so tired of hearing...look at how much that man is eating, look at the dress that girl is wearing, look at the mess that woman is making. How about you just worry about your meal instead of everyone else. It is not like someone coming in and screaming or harassing other people, not like someone causing a situation that puts other peoples lives in danger.

I tell you...if someone wearing a hat in an eatery is as serious as it gets for some...they have a lucky life. I am more worried about getting a good meal, Good service, having a nice time with the wife or family...not worried about some guy at another table wearing a hat that has no affect on my meal or causing a commotion or putting people in danger.

Oh no...he is wearing a hat of a sports team or a tractor brand...I AM OFFENDED and can not enjoy my meal.
:rolleyes:

[Sam I Am]

I will wear my hate and if it offends someone else or they find it rude...maybe they need to get a wet wipe out and clean the sand out of there * censored*

I agree. I like to wear my HATE also! :laugh2: It doesn't matter if people like it or not. I will just hate on them too!

[Boom]

I would much rather people would learn other manners that are more conducive to promoting a feeling of respect among people...Like saying Thank You. Tipping a good waiter. Opening a door for a lady, older people or other people in general.

It's funny you should mention this. As I read this thread, I'm immediately reminded of the Steve Buscemi tipping scene in Reservoir Dogs

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I agree. I like to wear my HATE also! :laugh2: It doesn't matter if people like it or not. I will just hate on them too!

Freudian slip.



Basically tradition doesnt equate to manners. Having good manners goes hand in hand w/ treating others as you want to be treated.

Id like for no one to burp while Im eating, so I wouldnt burp. Id rather no one talk about making whoopee while Im eating, so in turn I dont do that.


My dads only shirts are a blue T w/ a pocket square, and a brown T w/ a pocket square. By some peoples silly antiquated rules hed starve to death.



Linus had his blanket; BP has his hat. Again, I make an exception for informal establishments like Burger King or KFC, but if someone is taking your order while you're sitting at a table or booth, lose the hat. Simple common sense and common courtesy.


Why should this bother anyone if they werent told as kids its the rules?

[bbgun]

Linus has his blanket; BP has his hat. Again, I make an exception for informal establishments like Burger King or KFC, but if someone is taking your order while you're sitting at a table or booth, lose the hat. Simple common sense and common courtesy.

[Boom]

I agree. I like to wear my HATE also! :laugh2: It doesn't matter if people like it or not. I will just hate on them too!

But do you embrace it? Is that a social faux pas? ;)

[Sam I Am]

Linus has his blanket; BP has his hat. Again, I make an exception for informal establishments like Burger King or KFC, but if someone is taking your order while you're sitting at a table or booth, lose the hat. Simple common sense and common courtesy.

...but, but, but what if you hair is made into a hat?!?!?

http://www.geogum.com/media/uploaded/posts/f68f52fa2cd32af129c9adaa45e35eed.jpg

btw, specifically why is removing a cap not courtesy? I understand it is just what people did, but why exactly?

[ConcordCowboy]

Linus has his blanket; BP has his hat. Again, I make an exception for informal establishments like Burger King or KFC, but if someone is taking your order while you're sitting at a table or booth, lose the hat. Simple common sense and common courtesy.

:laugh2:

Well as they say...common sense isn't all that common.

[Joshmvii]

If the restaurant has a dress code that requires it, they'll ask you to remove your hat. If they don't, then everybody else can mind their ****ing business. What if I want everybody to wear a tie at the same restaurant? Do they need to do so because it's what I want?

I rarely wear a hat, and if I do it's a fedora or something with nice clothes, not a baseball cap, but if I want to wear it indoors, I will do so and I'm certainly not going to care what anybody else thinks about it.

If you can't find something better to get offended by than somebody wearing a hat indoors, then you are probably an ******* anyway.

If you want to teach your children how to be better people, teach them to respect others regardless of race or other differences. Teach them to be charitable when they're able. Teach them to show respect to other people. Don't worry about trying to teach them when it's okay to have a piece of fabric atop your head.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Linus has his blanket; BP has his hat. Again, I make an exception for informal establishments like Burger King or KFC, but if someone is taking your order while you're sitting at a table or booth, lose the hat. Simple common sense and common courtesy.

I don't wear my hat every day or every where I go.

Actually at this time of the year I don't wear a hat at all.

I wear a knit cap outside not only because it is cold, but because I have ear issues. However with my knit cap, once I am inside it comes off.

If I am wearing a hat and I am at a booth in Olive garden...chances are the hat will stay on. It is not something I am married to, sometimes I will take it off...but that is my choice and has nothing to do with the dining experience of another customer unless they have issues of worrying about their own business. Of course I could take the hat off to not be rude and instead focus my rudeness on calling everyone who looks my way a bunch of names just because I have issues with someone looking at me and consider that to be rude...but I don't. Or I could be rude and yell at someone for making too much noise while eating (smacking their lips or whatever) but I don't.

Some people need to worry about more important issues as opposed to someone wearing a hat.

In some cases I have seen people in a place where I wish they were wearing a hat because they have some hygiene issues and I don't want their flakes floating around the joint and getting on my food or person.
:laugh2:

[Doomsday101]

Good thing Tony lives in the USA.

[ConcordCowboy]

In some cases I have seen people in a place where I wish they were wearing a hat because they have some hygiene issues and I don't want their flakes floating around the joint and getting on my food or person.
:laugh2:

There are exceptions to the rule.

This is one of them.

:D

[Doomsday101]

There are exceptions to the rule.

This is one of them.

:D

whose rule? :eek:

[ConcordCowboy]

Good thing Tony lives in the USA.

Agreed...cause anywhere else they would kill him for wearing that stupid cap he wears...just for wearing it...period...indoors or out.

[Doomsday101]

Agreed...cause anywhere else they would kill him for wearing that stupid cap he wears...just for wearing it...period...indoors or out.

I don't think his mission in life it to make you happy. It gets to be too funny seeing people make an issue over a baseball cap. One would think some people do not have much of a life :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't think his mission in life it to make you happy. It gets to be too funny seeing people make an issue over a baseball cap. One would think some people do not have much of a life :laugh2:

Yeah...I don't get it.

I mean I could understand if he had a hat with some kind of rude/crude type thing written on it.

But just a standard hat, ugly or not, and making such a big deal seems silly to me.

I am sure they would not like it if someone made a big stink of some ugly shirt, shoes or other things they might be wearing.

[ConcordCowboy]

I don't think his mission in life it to make you happy. It gets to be too funny seeing people make an issue over a baseball cap. One would think some people do not have much of a life :laugh2:

Look I don't really care if he wears a hat or not.

I'm just pointing out that he looks like a dork in that cap.

He's free to look like a dork in the good old USA.

[Doomsday101]

Yeah...I don't get it.

I mean I could understand if he had a hat with some kind of rude/crude type thing written on it.

But just a standard hat, ugly or not, and making such a big deal seems silly to me.

I am sure they would not like it if someone made a big stink of some ugly shirt, shoes or other things they might be wearing.

So many seem to be interested in who Tony dates and what he wears as if they should have some say so in this.

[Doomsday101]

Look I don't really care if he wears a hat or not.

I'm just pointing out that he looks like a dork in that cap.

He's free to look like a dork in the good old USA.

I'm sure he would think you look like a dork as well.

[ConcordCowboy]

I'm sure he would think you look like a dork as well.

I'm sure he would if he saw me in that cap.

[Doomsday101]

I'm sure he would if he saw me in that cap.

or without. :laugh2:

Sometimes this place sounds like a gaggle of women talking about what so and so was wearing. :laugh2:

[ConcordCowboy]

or without. :laugh2:

Sometimes this place sounds like a gaggle of women talking about what so and so was wearing. :laugh2:

And here you are with your skirt all in a bunch defending him.

:laugh2:

[DFWJC]

He looks like a total dork.

Always has...always will.

If Candice has any say...she will tell him to never wear that thing again.

I don't care if it's front...back or side ways...those things look stupid...period.

Oh...also...take your fricking hat off in a nice restaurant or someone else's home.

I'm glad my parents taught me some manners.

I don't care if it has become fashionable or not.

It is wrong and will always be looked down upon.

Oh you can do as you please...but you're wrong.
Just curious...nothing more or less here....

but does your hat's off in someone elses house include when a buddy of yours has a group of friends over for a Buckeye or Cowboy game? You know, plenty of bear flowing, burgers grilling outside, etc. And almost everyone is wearing jeans, a few teeshirts or whatever...and very often baseball caps?

No big deal, just curious how strict you are about this.

[Doomsday101]

And here you are with your skirt all in a bunch defending him.

:laugh2:

Not in a bunch just amazed at guys acting like some catty women. Sorry but what Tony was wearing or not wearing would be the last thing on my mind.

[ConcordCowboy]

Just curious...nothing more or less here....

but does your hat's off in someone elses house include when a buddy of yours has a group of friends over for a Buckeye or Cowboy game? You know, plenty of bear flowing, burgers grilling outside, etc. And almost everyone is wearing jeans, a few teeshirts or whatever...and very often baseball caps?

No big deal, just curious how strict you are about this.

No...those kinds of things hats are fine.

I would never sit at my Dad's table for dinner with a hat on.

Nor would I sit in anyones house at their dinner table with a hat on.

I wouldn't go to a nice restaurant and keep my hat on when I sat down for the meal.

To me it's when you're sitting down at the table for a meal...not just because you're indoors.

[Sam I Am]

I ask this early, but nobody answered it.

Why exactly do you feel it rude to wear a baseball cap at the dinner table? In what way does it exactly offend you?

Removing your hat has more to do with age old tradition that live on today than being a respectful thing.

For instance, they say you don't wear white after labor day. 99% of people do not even actually know why that faux pas even exists in the first place.

For those that don't know, the do not wear white after labor day faux pas has nothing to do with wearing white shirts or pants, it has to do with wearing white dress shoes. The whole point behind not wearing them wasn't because it was incorrect, it was due to the fact that they were inappropriate to wear in winter weather! You didn't wear white dress shoes because you didn't want to get them dirty. Wearing white anything else was because people that didn't know what they were talking about, talked about it confusing the reasoning.

The basic fact is, removing your hat when you are indoors is an act of tradition, not an act of being rude or disrespectful. Not everyone follows everyone else traditions. In that case, you SHOULD remove your hat when you enter someones how who DOES hold that tradition as not doing so would then be a show of disrespect of the mans traditions in his own house. If you are in a public place (even if it's a 5 Star restaurant) you don't have to remove it unless the establishment requests that you do. The reason is, this is America and you don't have to respect someone else's traditions in a public place like you should when you enter their home.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

In the Western culture derived from Christian tradition, removing one's headgear is a sign of respect, making oneself more open, humble or vulnerable, much like bowing or kneeling. This is as if to say, "I acknowledge that you are more powerful than I am, I make myself vulnerable to show I pose no threat to you and respect you."




Ha! Makes sense some dudes in here want you to take your hat off when you walk into their home. Marking their territory.

[DFWJC]

I ask this early, but nobody answered it.

Why exactly do you feel it rude to wear a baseball cap at the dinner table? In what way does it exactly offend you?

Removing your hat has more to do with age old tradition that live on today than being a respectful thing.

For instance, they say you don't wear white after labor day. 99% of people do not even actually know why that faux pas even exists in the first place.

For those that don't know, the do not wear white after labor day faux pas has nothing to do with wearing white shirts or pants, it has to do with wearing white dress shoes. The whole point behind not wearing them wasn't because it was incorrect, it was due to the fact that they were inappropriate to wear in winter weather! You didn't wear white dress shoes because you didn't want to get them dirty. Wearing white anything else was because people that didn't know what they were talking about, talked about it confusing the reasoning.

The basic fact is, removing your hat when you are indoors is an act of tradition, not an act of being rude or disrespectful. Not everyone follows everyone else traditions. In that case, you SHOULD remove your hat when you enter someones how who DOES hold that tradition as not doing so would then be a show of disrespect of the mans traditions in his own house. If you are in a public place (even if it's a 5 Star restaurant) you don't have to remove it unless the establishment requests that you do. The reason is, this is America and you don't have to respect someone else's traditions in a public place like you should when you enter their home.
That's some good trivia regarding the white shoes. Pretty funny really.

And I can't say I disagree with any of the rest of the post either. Well put and logical.

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

I like to wear a hat indoors for no other reason than to piss off shallow people. Shallow people are a pet peeve of mine.

[ChldsPlay]

The vast majority of sensible and considerate people.



It's widely considered to be rude.



Then prepare to be ostracized. You have the right to flout society's conventions, and the people you offend have the right to react.

I'd venture a guess (which there is no way to verify) that more people would be more "offended" at people being uppity about a stupid hat than at people who wear them inside or at dinner.

[Sam I Am]

I'd venture a guess (which there is no way to verify) that more people would be more "offended" at people being uppity about a stupid hat than at people who wear them inside or at dinner.

The fact that bb is uppity is the reason why WG won't give him the time of day. :D

[ChldsPlay]

The fact that bb is uppity is the reason why WG won't give him the time of day. :D

Are you sure it's not his lack of "uppity?"

[Venger]

I like to wear a hat indoors for no other reason than to piss off shallow people. Shallow people are a pet peeve of mine.

That guy on your avatar had a real problem with people wearing a hat indoors...

[Cajuncowboy]

:lmao2:

An eight page thread on whether you should wear a hat inside or not.

I love this place!

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

That guy on your avatar had a real problem with people wearing a hat indoors...

You mean in his movies where he was acting? In reality the Duke was a huge fan of hats indoors. He was often seen in his neighborhood Applebees sporting his Allman Brothers trucker hat, shirt tail out, and elbows on the table. If you were to confront him about it he would simply tell you "I'll have you spread-eagled on a wagon wheel".

[arglebargle]

The first rule of con men is to have a really nice suit. Bet they take their hats off too, if they're playing the high end.

For fun, and perspective on this, read a book on etiquette from about a hundred years ago. It's filled with the most amazing stuff that must be done if you are to be 'proper'.

[vta]

You mean in his movies where he was acting? In reality the Duke was a huge fan of hats indoors. He was often seen in his neighborhood Applebees sporting his Allman Brothers trucker hat, shirt tail out, and elbows on the table. If you were to confront him about it he would simply tell you "I'll have you spread-eagled on a wagon wheel".

:lmao:

[theogt]

You mean in his movies where he was acting? In reality the Duke was a huge fan of hats indoors. He was often seen in his neighborhood Applebees sporting his Allman Brothers trucker hat, shirt tail out, and elbows on the table. If you were to confront him about it he would simply tell you "I'll have you spread-eagled on a wagon wheel".You win the internet for the day.