A few top 10 prospects - who is the best fit for Dallas?

[GloryDaysRBack]

Patrick Peterson - Seems like this guy is everybodys top choice. This guy is a flat out freak. Essentially, the megatron of defensive backs. 6'1, 220, 4.4 40...absolutely insane, no doubt. However, how does he fit the cowboys? Obviously, our defense is pathetic, especially our secondary. Is it worth drafting a guy top 10 to play CB when we have Jenkins and Newman? I would lean to yes, but I'm not 100% sure. A lot of scouts think PP is a better fit at safety. However, this guy has never played safety in his life. If Peterson was a natural safety in college I would feel much better, especially considering safety is a much bigger need than CB for us. Am I saying he can't play safety? No way, I'm just not 100% sure.

Nick Fairley - This guy is also an absolute beast. What I love most about this guy is how nasty he plays, albeit, he will commit a few unnecessary roughness penalties, I think his ferocity is something our D lacks. However, the only fit this guy has on our team is as a 3-4 DE. Do you draft a 3-4 DE with a top 10 pick? Im not so sure about that. Actually, I am closer to saying no. Putting him at DE in a 3-4 might be the worst place possible for this kid because it might minimize his best quality, which is his pass rush ability.

Robert Quinn - A sure fire top 10 talent. Hands down the best player on a tar heels defense that will likely land half a dozen players in the draft in the first 4-5 rounds. Similar to Dez Bryant in the sense that he could fall some due to not playing at all this season. However, this guy is a perfect fit for our defense. He could easily become the next DWare. Imagine having another Dware on the other side of Dware. Now I will be honest and admit I'm not sure what his bust potential is like. I have heard some people label him as a boom or bust type of player. In my opinion, the biggest need on this defense is another pressure player. In my opinion, Quinn is the best fit for our team. However, I do not think he is the best player of the bunch. I believe Peterson is by far the best player of the 3, I just don't know if it's smarter to play him at cb or safety. I am also not sold on drafting a CB w our first pick, if indeed that is where we would play him.

What do you guys think?

I apologize for any typos. I am on my iPhone and auto correct is a...you know what.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think there are more players then just these three that the Cowboys will consider.

[dbair1967]

Patrick Peterson - Seems like this guy is everybodys top choice. This guy is a flat out freak. Essentially, the megatron of defensive backs. 6'1, 220, 4.4 40...absolutely insane, no doubt. However, how does he fit the cowboys? Obviously, our defense is pathetic, especially our secondary. Is it worth drafting a guy top 10 to play CB when we have Jenkins and Newman? I would lean to yes, but I'm not 100% sure. A lot of scouts think PP is a better fit at safety. However, this guy has never played safety in his life. If Peterson was a natural safety in college I would feel much better, especially considering safety is a much bigger need than CB for us. Am I saying he can't play safety? No way, I'm just not 100% sure.

Nick Fairley - This guy is also an absolute beast. What I love most about this guy is how nasty he plays, albeit, he will commit a few unnecessary roughness penalties, I think his ferocity is something our D lacks. However, the only fit this guy has on our team is as a 3-4 DE. Do you draft a 3-4 DE with a top 10 pick? Im not so sure about that. Actually, I am closer to saying no. Putting him at DE in a 3-4 might be the worst place possible for this kid because it might minimize his best quality, which is his pass rush ability.

Robert Quinn - A sure fire top 10 talent. Hands down the best player on a tar heels defense that will likely land half a dozen players in the draft in the first 4-5 rounds. Similar to Dez Bryant in the sense that he could fall some due to not playing at all this season. However, this guy is a perfect fit for our defense. He could easily become the next DWare. Imagine having another Dware on the other side of Dware. Now I will be honest and admit I'm not sure what his bust potential is like. I have heard some people label him as a boom or bust type of player. In my opinion, the biggest need on this defense is another pressure player. In my opinion, Quinn is the best fit for our team. However, I do not think he is the best player of the bunch. I believe Peterson is by far the best player of the 3, I just don't know if it's smarter to play him at cb or safety. I am also not sold on drafting a CB w our first pick, if indeed that is where we would play him.

What do you guys think?

I apologize for any typos. I am on my iPhone and auto correct is a...you know what.

Really wouldnt be disappointed with any of the 3, but I havent studied the draft enough yet. All three of them have plusses and minuses.

If they think Brent is ready to play NT fulltime, then Ratliff moves to DE. If they resign one of the free agent DE's (Spears, Bowen or Hatcher) then the 3starting positions are pretty much set. I'm thinking Olshansky wont be here next yr, but I do think Lissemore works his way into the rotation. So Fairley (or any of the other 3-4 DL's) becomes less of a need area.

Peterson does have amazing athletic ability, but I've watched alot of LSU games and he does not always resemble a shutdown CB. He seems to get beat quite a bit, even by lesser players. Perhaps its a focus or technique thing, but I dont believe that coming out he's as good a cover CB as Deion Sanders or Mike Haynes were. There are some who seem to think his best position might be FS, but I'm not sure using a top-10 pick on a safety is smart.

I've said for a couple months now that the biggest question mark for the team going into next yr (if they stick with the 3-4) is Spencer's OLB spot. He has been awful in all phases this year. If they think this year isnt an abberation then upgrading his OLB becomes a possible priority. Spencer's in the last yr of his contract in 2011 as well. And there are a number of good 3-4 OLBV prospects that will be available early in this draft, including Quinn who could be quite good in this scheme.

[realtick]

I think any one of those players is a fit.

My gut tells me Peterson could make the move to safety without much issue.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I think there are more players then just these three that the Cowboys will consider.

Absolutely, i didn't mean to infer that these were the only 3..these just happen to be my top 3, as of now.

[RoyTheHammer]

If we don't get Peterson, trade down, pick up one or two OL and a S in the first two rounds.

[Chris in Arizona]

To me it's Peterson or bust. I would make every effort to trade up or stand pat at 6th. The second Peterson is drafted ahead of us, I bail out.

Fairley and Quinn are nice consolation prizes and Quinn comes with some risk.

Amukamara is also a nice consolation.

If I trade down (to the 10 -14 range) I target the top Tackle available whether that be Tyron Smith, Derek Sherrod, or Gabe Cirimi. We need to start addressing the Offensive Line and if the Peterson dream is dead, it's time to get to work.

In the 2nd round, I am targeting the best Safety available and I'd be willing to move into the bottom of the 1st if there's someone who our scouts graded out worthy.

If we somehow land Peterson my approach in the 2nd round is the same only with Offensive Linemen (not just tackles).

We have many needs but Safety and Offensive Line are glaring and have been ignored for too long.

[DFWJC]

1a. Patrick Peterson
1b. Nick Fairley
1c. trade down
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if we have to pick there, then
1d. Da'Quan Bowers (if we think he can play 3-4 DE)
1e. Prince Akmukmara
1f. Robert Quinn
1g. Marcell Dareus

[ABQCOWBOY]

Absolutely, i didn't mean to infer that these were the only 3..these just happen to be my top 3, as of now.

Understand but I think the Cowboys would be better served in trading down, picking up multiple 1st and 2nd round picks and taking 5 or 6 quality players that have a chance to be starters for us in a couple of seasons, as opposed to just one taken high. We don't really need a QB, OLT or Dominating pass rushing end or OLB. You might be able to make the case that we need another CB but the problem with Peterson is that I think he might be a Safety. At this point, those are the only positions I see as worthy of the draft pick position we might end up with. I just think we are better served to trade down and pick up players along the OL, NT/DE, Safety, CB, ILB and Kicker. We could easily address multiple positions with quality players if we elect not to pick at that spot and trade down. JMO.

[sonnyboy]

Patrick Peterson - Seems like this guy is everybodys top choice. This guy is a flat out freak. Essentially, the megatron of defensive backs. 6'1, 220, 4.4 40...absolutely insane, no doubt. However, how does he fit the cowboys? Obviously, our defense is pathetic, especially our secondary. Is it worth drafting a guy top 10 to play CB when we have Jenkins and Newman? I would lean to yes, but I'm not 100% sure. A lot of scouts think PP is a better fit at safety. However, this guy has never played safety in his life. If Peterson was a natural safety in college I would feel much better, especially considering safety is a much bigger need than CB for us. Am I saying he can't play safety? No way, I'm just not 100% sure.

Nick Fairley - This guy is also an absolute beast. What I love most about this guy is how nasty he plays, albeit, he will commit a few unnecessary roughness penalties, I think his ferocity is something our D lacks. However, the only fit this guy has on our team is as a 3-4 DE. Do you draft a 3-4 DE with a top 10 pick? Im not so sure about that. Actually, I am closer to saying no. Putting him at DE in a 3-4 might be the worst place possible for this kid because it might minimize his best quality, which is his pass rush ability.

Robert Quinn - A sure fire top 10 talent. Hands down the best player on a tar heels defense that will likely land half a dozen players in the draft in the first 4-5 rounds. Similar to Dez Bryant in the sense that he could fall some due to not playing at all this season. However, this guy is a perfect fit for our defense. He could easily become the next DWare. Imagine having another Dware on the other side of Dware. Now I will be honest and admit I'm not sure what his bust potential is like. I have heard some people label him as a boom or bust type of player. In my opinion, the biggest need on this defense is another pressure player. In my opinion, Quinn is the best fit for our team. However, I do not think he is the best player of the bunch. I believe Peterson is by far the best player of the 3, I just don't know if it's smarter to play him at cb or safety. I am also not sold on drafting a CB w our first pick, if indeed that is where we would play him.

What do you guys think?

I apologize for any typos. I am on my iPhone and auto correct is a...you know what.


Speaking from pure ignorance here, because I've next to no time watching college ball this year.

You OP makes me feel better about trading down.

Too willing to give Spencer another shot to go with Quinn.

Is Fairley a true 3-4 DE fit? If not I can't go there with #6.

Now Peterson still works for me at #6. I honestly believe talent is talent when it comes to DBs and CBs can and often have easily made to move to Safety. It's why I think Newman can do it and that would give us two options if Peterson's the pick.

When I look at our team, I see the need for a super blue ship top 10 pick at only position/unit and that's DB.

I never like using top 10 picks on offensive lineman. Too hard to grade and star offensive lineman have less impact than stars at other positions.

Give me 8 good OL to start the season. 8 hard working legit starters, no stars, anyone of which I'd feel good about starting for me in a SB.

Top 10 picks should be super impact star type players. I want those guys at QB, RB, WR, OLB, NT and DB. CB or Safety.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Do you guys want Peterson at CB or safety?

[RoyTheHammer]

Do you guys want Peterson at CB or safety?

CB please. You don't draft a guy who's played one position his whole career and excelled at it, and then move him to a different one right away.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

CB please. You don't draft a guy who's played one position his whole career and excelled at it, and then move him to a different one right away.


Auburn doesnt run a 3-4

Quinn doesnt play LOLB and has played w/ his hand in the ground

Tyron Smith was a RT and being talked about as a LT


We are taking a blue chip player here. If I can marry the best player on the board w/ our biggest weakness thats something I consider

[GloryDaysRBack]

Auburn doesnt run a 3-4

Quinn doesnt play LOLB and has played w/ his hand in the ground

Tyron Smith was a LT


We are taking a blue chip player here. If I can marry the best player on the board w/ our biggest weakness thats something I consider

IMO, Quinn is the best fit for this team. Assumjng he grades out as a top 5-10 player on our board.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

IMO, Quinn is the best fit for this team. Assumjng he grades out as a top 5-10 player on our board.


I love him.


But its a huge question if he can do the same things on the other side of the D.

Sure Ware moves all around but our bread and butter is Ware on the blindside.

You can work him out all you want but you cant suit him up and see what his rip and drive is really like from that side. That might make them grade him out as a bigger risk than he might normally be on most teams board

[GloryDaysRBack]

I love him.


But its a huge question if he can do the same things on the other side of the D.

Sure Ware moves all around but our bread and butter is Ware on the blindside.

You can work him out all you want but you cant suit him up and see what his rip and drive is really like from that side. That might make them grade him out as a bigger risk than he might normally be on most teams board

I have heard this argument before and it makes complete sense.

But why is this a problem for Quinn and not any other DE to OLB prospect. Were the same questions being asked about Ware or Spencer or any other player switching from de to olb?

[sonnyboy]

To me it's Peterson or bust. I would make every effort to trade up or stand pat at 6th. The second Peterson is drafted ahead of us, I bail out.

Fairley and Quinn are nice consolation prizes and Quinn comes with some risk.

Amukamara is also a nice consolation.

If I trade down (to the 10 -14 range) I target the top Tackle available whether that be Tyron Smith, Derek Sherrod, or Gabe Cirimi. We need to start addressing the Offensive Line and if the Peterson dream is dead, it's time to get to work.

In the 2nd round, I am targeting the best Safety available and I'd be willing to move into the bottom of the 1st if there's someone who our scouts graded out worthy.

If we somehow land Peterson my approach in the 2nd round is the same only with Offensive Linemen (not just tackles).

We have many needs but Safety and Offensive Line are glaring and have been ignored for too long.


I agree. We need volume at OL and DB.

Can't discount Peterson though. One star DB could really work for us because I like Newman at FS or CB, Jenkins and Scandrick. We also have some other nice young players who could come through for us in Mccann and AOA.

On the OL it has to be quantity and quality. We need multiple players here in the worst way.

We just can't count on Davis or Columbo starting for us in 2011. Who knows what we have in Costa or Young.
And what about the depth? My viewing experience taught me that OL get injured more than any other position in football.

You keep 9-10 on the 53 and you would hope 8 could play at a good level.

I'm OK with Free, Koiser and Gurode as returning slated starters and Costa and Young as reserves competing for starting spots.

But that's it.

IMO were in the market for two starting OL and three more guys to develope and compete.

And of course you probably carry 15 on the 80 man off season roster.


I'd feel a lot better about drafting Peterson and not trading down if we did land Mankins in FA.

[RoyTheHammer]

Auburn doesnt run a 3-4

Quinn doesnt play LOLB and has played w/ his hand in the ground

Tyron Smith was a RT and being talked about as a LT


We are taking a blue chip player here. If I can marry the best player on the board w/ our biggest weakness thats something I consider

I think that DE/LB hybrid position is a little different than moving a CB to S though. They are two completely different positions, whereas with the DE/LB hybrid, you're basically rushing the passer in either spot.

It'd be great if it worked out that way, i think i'd just rather have a guy who's excelled at the safety position and knows the nuances of the position already.

[Woods]

As of now, I'd be happy with any of the 3 prospects the OP suggested.

I've got to make the assumption that JJ will try to address SOME of the holes via FA, especially at Safty and OL.

Assuming that we do re-sign either Spears or Bowen (I don't think we re-sign Hatcher), I could still see the Cowboys wanting a potentially dominating DL (along with Ratliff).

Given that Newman is around 33 yrs, the CB position obviously makes sense as well.

As for OLB, I still think Spencer can get back to last year's second half performance. The entire defensive performance was so poor this year - it does make it difficult to evaluate the players.

But as they say about pass rushers - you can never have enough. A creative DC could find schemes to utilize Ware, Spencer (assuming he turns it around), and Quinn.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. Trust me when I tell you a lot of you will be left a little disappointed when you see PP in the pros. JMO.

BTW 6'1 220 running a 4.4 is impressive. But its not UNBELIEVABLE/FREAKISH.

Guys like Taylor Mays, Bruce Campbell, Dontay Moch are FREAKISH. Not Patrick Peterson.


BTW, some more of my thoughts. The best way I can explain it is like this. Peterson is by no means, not even close to being a shutdown corner. He is a guy that likes to bait the QB, and jump the route. Think Asante Samuel. Prince has all the makings of being a shut down CB. Yes, he got beat a little this year. But he allowed something like 27% of passes thrown his way to be completed this year. Thats impressive. He has flawless technique. You guys want an impact player, or a playmaker, PP is your guy. But he gets beat ALOT. You guys want a shutdown corner, Prince is your dude. Think Revis.

One more thing guys. PP at safety will be a monumental fail. He's played CB for 4 years and excelled at it. You don't just move him to safety because theres a huge whole there.

[Woods]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. JMO.

funny you say that regarding peterson vs amakumara. i was reading another football website and the draft analyst said the same thing.

[MichaelWinicki]

Speaking from pure ignorance here, because I've next to no time watching college ball this year.

You OP makes me feel better about trading down.

Too willing to give Spencer another shot to go with Quinn.

Is Fairley a true 3-4 DE fit? If not I can't go there with #6.

Now Peterson still works for me at #6. I honestly believe talent is talent when it comes to DBs and CBs can and often have easily made to move to Safety. It's why I think Newman can do it and that would give us two options if Peterson's the pick.

When I look at our team, I see the need for a super blue ship top 10 pick at only position/unit and that's DB.

I never like using top 10 picks on offensive lineman. Too hard to grade and star offensive lineman have less impact than stars at other positions.

Give me 8 good OL to start the season. 8 hard working legit starters, no stars, anyone of which I'd feel good about starting for me in a SB.

Top 10 picks should be super impact star type players. I want those guys at QB, RB, WR, OLB, NT and DB. CB or Safety.

Pretty level headed post. :)

[CanuckCowboysFan]

funny you say that regarding peterson vs amakumara. i was reading another football website and the draft analyst said the same thing.


Yep. Lots of people will be disappointed. They seem to think he's a God or something.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. Trust me when I tell you a lot of you will be left a little disappointed when you see PP in the pros. JMO.

BTW 6'1 220 running a 4.4 is impressive. But its not UNBELIEVABLE/FREAKISH.

Guys like Taylor Mays, Bruce Campbell, Dontay Moch are FREAKISH. Not Patrick Peterson.


BTW, some more of my thoughts. The best way I can explain it is like this. Peterson is by no means, not even close to being a shutdown corner. He is a guy that likes to bait the QB, and jump the route. Think Asante Samuel. Prince has all the makings of being a shut down CB. Yes, he got beat a little this year. But he allowed something like 27% of passes thrown his way to be completed this year. Thats impressive. He has flawless technique. You guys want an impact player, or a playmaker, PP is your guy. But he gets beat ALOT. You guys want a shutdown corner, Prince is your dude. Think Revis.

One more thing guys. PP at safety will be a monumental fail. He's played CB for 4 years and excelled at it. You don't just move him to safety because theres a huge whole there.

I agree with this. I've watched LSU a few times this year as well and he's not a shut down CB IMO. He seems to be better in Zone then man. He's not bad in man to man but I don't think he's a Deion Sanders either. However, I do think he can possibly be a Brian Dawkins type Safety.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I agree with this. I've watched LSU a few times this year as well and he's not a shut down CB IMO. He seems to be better in Zone then man. He's not bad in man to man but I don't think he's a Deion Sanders either. However, I do think he can possibly be a Brian Dawkins type Safety.


He's much better in zone then man, I agree.

Who knows, he could be a successful NFL safety. But what I don't want is just to move him there because we have a bigger need at Safety then corner or because his size. If our guys think he's a better safety, move him to safety. If they think he's a better corner, keep him at corner. Whichever position will maximize his abilities.

Edit: Now that I think of it, considering his zone skills are better then man to man, Safety doesn't sound like a horrible idea. But safety and corner are completely different positions, so it'll be a tough transition.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Yep. Lots of people will be disappointed. They seem to think he's a God or something.

First and foremost, Peterson is an absolute freak. How about you go and find me another 6'1 220 lb man playing CB, that can run sub 4.4...that's what I thought.

Second of all, you don't move PP to safety bc you have a hole there. Many scouts believe his game is better suited as a safety than a CB.

Lastly, many scouts also have Prince rated higher than Peterson. I wouldn't be shocked if Prince was drafted first.

[realtick]

Yep. Lots of people will be disappointed. They seem to think he's a God or something.

With who, Kenny Tate, lol?

[CanuckCowboysFan]

First and foremost, Peterson is an absolute freak. How about you go and find me another 6'1 220 lb man playing CB, that can run sub 4.4...that's what I thought.

Second of all, you don't move PP to safety bc you have a hole there. Many scouts believe his game is better suited as a safety than a CB.

Lastly, many scouts also have Prince rated higher than Peterson. I wouldn't be shocked if Prince was drafted first.


First and foremost, the fact that he plays cornerback is completely irrelevant, we're talking about freakish athletic ability, period, nice try though. A "freak" is Taylor Mays - 235, 4.3 forty. Bruce Cambpell. 300+ pounds, 4.7 forty. Calvin Johnson- 235, 4.35 forty. Tony Mandarich -320 pounds, 4.65 forty. Bo Jackson, 240 - 4.12 forty. Vernon Davis 250 pounds - 4.38. Another thing. PP weighs closer to 210 then 220 this year. 4.4 forty with those measurables is impressive, not freakish.

Secondly, No **** sherlock. read what I said. I said if our scouts feel he's better at safety then move him to safety.

Thirdly, I know.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

With who, Kenny Tate, lol?


lol. He is a god.

[jblaze2004]

Nick Fairley - This guy is also an absolute beast. What I love most about this guy is how nasty he plays, albeit, he will commit a few unnecessary roughness penalties, I think his ferocity is something our D lacks. However, the only fit this guy has on our team is as a 3-4 DE. Do you draft a 3-4 DE with a top 10 pick? Im not so sure about that. Actually, I am closer to saying no. Putting him at DE in a 3-4 might be the worst place possible for this kid because it might minimize his best quality, which is his pass rush ability.



If he can be a difference maker like Ngata or Seymour, was for the patriot, than why not draft a playmaker on the d-line in the top ten. Great Defense lineman make everyone look better.

[realtick]

I'm really hoping one or two of the teams drafting ahead of us will fall in love with Cam Newton or Ryan Mallet and push some prospects to us.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I'm really hoping one or two of the teams drafting ahead of us will fall in love with Cam Newton or Ryan Mallet and push some prospects to us.


would have to happen for a desirable prospect to fall considering Luck will most likely stay back.

[ABQCOWBOY]

First and foremost, Peterson is an absolute freak. How about you go and find me another 6'1 220 lb man playing CB, that can run sub 4.4...that's what I thought.

Second of all, you don't move PP to safety bc you have a hole there. Many scouts believe his game is better suited as a safety than a CB.

Lastly, many scouts also have Prince rated higher than Peterson. I wouldn't be shocked if Prince was drafted first.


I have not heard that he has been timed at a Sub 4.4. but even if he does time that well, it's not unheard of for a man his size by any means. Besides that, it's not straight line speed that make CBs great or even good in coverage. In fact, that's probably the least of all skills needed. I just don't see it in his play. Granted, I haven't seen every game he's played but I've seen at three this year and I haven't seen the all world CB skills.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think that DE/LB hybrid position is a little different than moving a CB to S though. They are two completely different positions, whereas with the DE/LB hybrid, you're basically rushing the passer in either spot.

It'd be great if it worked out that way, i think i'd just rather have a guy who's excelled at the safety position and knows the nuances of the position already.


Well, like I said I think it makes us the best team. We have some decent CB depth where at FS its just AOA. I liked AOA in last years draft, a lot of us did, but we all knew it would take some time. He played half a season and barely saw the field on defense.

Then in year 2 of the PP era he can move to CB and you have another year to work something out at safety between AOA, another draft, another year of FA, etc.

I have heard this argument before and it makes complete sense.

But why is this a problem for Quinn and not any other DE to OLB prospect. Were the same questions being asked about Ware or Spencer or any other player switching from de to olb?


Quinn is easily a good enough athlete to stand up. What Im questioning is purely whether or not he can play opposite Ware on the right side, Spencers side. It could be a tricky thing for some guys to move over there and rush the passer flipping your technique all the way around. Your planting w/ the opposite foot, dipping the opposite shoulder, etc.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. Trust me when I tell you a lot of you will be left a little disappointed when you see PP in the pros. JMO.

BTW 6'1 220 running a 4.4 is impressive. But its not UNBELIEVABLE/FREAKISH.

Guys like Taylor Mays, Bruce Campbell, Dontay Moch are FREAKISH. Not Patrick Peterson.


BTW, some more of my thoughts. The best way I can explain it is like this. Peterson is by no means, not even close to being a shutdown corner. He is a guy that likes to bait the QB, and jump the route. Think Asante Samuel. Prince has all the makings of being a shut down CB. Yes, he got beat a little this year. But he allowed something like 27% of passes thrown his way to be completed this year. Thats impressive. He has flawless technique. You guys want an impact player, or a playmaker, PP is your guy. But he gets beat ALOT. You guys want a shutdown corner, Prince is your dude. Think Revis.

One more thing guys. PP at safety will be a monumental fail. He's played CB for 4 years and excelled at it. You don't just move him to safety because theres a huge whole there.

Yeah, you didn't say it...I just made it up....:confused:

[TheCoolFan]

I'd go DLine or pass rusher with the 1st rounder, safety with the 2nd rounder, and OLine with the 3rd rounder and hope the combination of a decent safety + more pressure up front + a new DB coach can fix the problems Newman, Jenkins, and Scandrick had.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Out of those 3, Quinn is the best prospect, by far IMO. Yes, better then Peterson. Peterson is not who a lot of people here think he is. Call me out on it, but I have seen more then half of LSU's games, and I'm not confident in saying :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: this guy is a top 5 pick !!!! Amakumara is the better prospect. Trust me when I tell you a lot of you will be left a little disappointed when you see PP in the pros. JMO.

BTW 6'1 220 running a 4.4 is impressive. But its not UNBELIEVABLE/FREAKISH.

Guys like Taylor Mays, Bruce Campbell, Dontay Moch are FREAKISH. Not Patrick Peterson.





BTW, some more of my thoughts. The best way I can explain it is like this. Peterson is by no means, not even close to being a shutdown corner. He is a guy that likes to bait the QB, and jump the route. Think Asante Samuel. Prince has all the makings of being a shut down CB. Yes, he got beat a little this year. But he allowed something like 27% of passes thrown his way to be completed this year. Thats impressive. He has flawless technique. You guys want an impact player, or a playmaker, PP is your guy. But he gets beat ALOT. You guys want a shutdown corner, Prince is your dude. Think Revis.

One more thing guys. PP at safety will be a monumental fail. He's played CB for 4 years and excelled at it. You don't just move him to safety because theres a huge whole there.

Yeah, you didn't say it...I just made it up....:confused:


lmao... read on. I also said if the scouts feel he's better suited at safety then move him to safety.......next couple posts.

[GloryDaysRBack]

If he can be a difference maker like Ngata or Seymour, was for the patriot, than why not draft a playmaker on the d-line in the top ten. Great Defense lineman make everyone look better.

Good point man...If we think Fairley can be a Seymour/Ngata type of player then I am all for Fairley..It is just so hard for me to envision a DE in our scheme having that type of impact..mainly because I have never seen it..obviously, we also have never had anyone with that type of ability to begin with..Save for maybe Spears..but he obviously did not turn out to be that type of game changer

[Avery]

#1 - You don't draft PP to play safety. You can find a good safety later in the draft if you want.
#2 - Prince is more of a true shutdown corner than Peterson. That's not to say PP isn't good, but Prince will be a better pro IMO.
#3 - PP will run about a 4.5 in Indy - just watch.

This is a good draft at the top with about 6 or 7 blue chip prospects before it noticably drops off. It compares favorably with the talent level of last year's draft but at different positions.

It's a shame that this isn't a good draft for OL, but we can find some good guys at the top of round two be it Marcus Cannon or Rodney Hudson. I want Mankins bad; pair him next to one of these guys and we are on our way to getting better in the middle.

[dfense]

CB please. You don't draft a guy who's played one position his whole career and excelled at it, and then move him to a different one right away. That's crazy talk! -B. Urlacher

[MarionBarberThe4th]

#1 - You don't draft PP to play safety. You can find a good safety later in the draft if you want.



Weve been trying for years now

[divot]

That's crazy talk! -B. Urlacher


Malcom Jenkins has transitioned very nicely from a zone corner to safety
But he was selected at the end of the draft not top 10

[DIAF]

Fairly is hands down the dirtiest player i've ever seen in College Football. This guy literally tries to hurt players on every play he's on the field and he will be a fine/penalty/suspension machine in the NFL. I despise him and want the Boys to have nothing to do with him.

[dbair1967]

Malcom Jenkins has transitioned very nicely from a zone corner to safety
But he was selected at the end of the draft not top 10

He was the 14th pick overall.

[jblaze2004]

Fairly is hands down the dirtiest player i've ever seen in College Football. This guy literally tries to hurt players on every play he's on the field and he will be a fine/penalty/suspension machine in the NFL. I despise him and want the Boys to have nothing to do with him.

well i would love to have him on our team. We have too many choir boys helping other team players up. Its like we dont't want to hit somebody and talk trash. No we want to hug and get autographs

[jblaze2004]

for some reason Malcom Jenkins from the saints do remind me of Peterson. Both are big and good in run support. I think Peterson might be faster though and maybe alittle bigger.

[Avery]

Fairly is hands down the dirtiest player i've ever seen in College Football. This guy literally tries to hurt players on every play he's on the field and he will be a fine/penalty/suspension machine in the NFL. I despise him and want the Boys to have nothing to do with him.

He's nasty for sure. Personally, he will get his arse beat in if he tries to do some of that in the NFL.

If you want a safety, the top of round two will see guys like Rahim Moore if he comes out, Deunta Williams or Quinton Carter.

[DIAF]

well i would love to have him on our team. We have too many choir boys helping other team players up. Its like we dont't want to hit somebody and talk trash. No we want to hug and get autographs

Except this guy deliberately tries to put helmets on knees, drills defenseless QBs in the back after the ball is gone for over 3 seconds, and picks people up and drives their shoulders into the ground. No thanks to this piece of human refuse. Personally I hope he gets what is coming to him in the Championship Game or at the next level. A blown knee on a chop block might teach him a lesson.

[realtick]

Malcom Jenkins has transitioned very nicely from a zone corner to safety
But he was selected at the end of the draft not top 10

Like it was mentioned, he was drafted at no. 14. He also dropped because he ran a rather pedestrian 40 time.

[realtick]

well i would love to have him on our team. We have too many choir boys helping other team players up. Its like we dont't want to hit somebody and talk trash. No we want to hug and get autographs

Me too. This team needs an edge Fairley is a great player and plays with a 'tude, we would do well to draft him in the right scenerio.

[btcutter]

I think any one of those players is a fit.

My gut tells me Peterson could make the move to safety without much issue.

I don't like to spend a top 10 pick and move him to another position. CB is much more of a premium than FS. I am not sure I would draft FS in the top 10 unless it's someone like Ronnie Lott.

Spencer obviously under performed like many of his defensive mates. However, given that he HAD produced, I believe he just needs a good DC to maximize skills.

My bigger concern on the front 7 is NT and MLB positions. MLBs are slow and it makes your defense look slow. If Lee can stay healthy and start then ILBs would be lesser of a need. DT is a huge need. We get pushed around way too much and don't generate enough of an interior presence. Ratliff is good but he wears down and can be pushes around. I hope Brent can put on another 20 lbs of muscle and play well at 330-340.

[realtick]

I don't like to spend a top 10 pick and move him to another position. CB is much more of a premium than FS. I am not sure I would draft FS in the top 10 unless it's someone like Ronnie Lott.

Spencer obviously under performed like many of his defensive mates. However, given that he HAD produced, I believe he just needs a good DC to maximize skills.

My bigger concern on the front 7 is NT and MLB positions. MLBs are slow and it makes your defense look slow. If Lee can stay healthy and start then ILBs would be lesser of a need. DT is a huge need. We get pushed around way too much and don't generate enough of an interior presence. Ratliff is good but he wears down and can be pushes around. I hope Brent can put on another 20 lbs of muscle and play well at 330-340.

It's likely to happen if we draft guys like Quinn, Peterson or Fairley in the Top 10; Quinn (DE to OLB), Peterson (I'm not sold we would switch him to safety at all...), Fairley (4-3 to 3-4)...

All of the needs you brought up are legit, but the talent in the Top 10 aren't at those positions.

FWIW, Eric Berry was taken 5th overall and is having a great rookie season with the Chiefs. As is Earl Thomas (14th overall) with Seahawks. With more teams emphasizing the pass and incorporating 3/4 WR sets, the safety position has become vital again.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't like to spend a top 10 pick and move him to another position. CB is much more of a premium than FS. I am not sure I would draft FS in the top 10 unless it's someone like Ronnie Lott.

Spencer obviously under performed like many of his defensive mates. However, given that he HAD produced, I believe he just needs a good DC to maximize skills.

My bigger concern on the front 7 is NT and MLB positions. MLBs are slow and it makes your defense look slow. If Lee can stay healthy and start then ILBs would be lesser of a need. DT is a huge need. We get pushed around way too much and don't generate enough of an interior presence. Ratliff is good but he wears down and can be pushes around. I hope Brent can put on another 20 lbs of muscle and play well at 330-340.

Interestingly enough, Ronnie Lott was drafted by the 49ers (1st round - 8th overall pick) as a CB out of USC. He was moved to Safety because he could not play CB well enough in the NFL.

[realtick]

Interestingly enough, Ronnie Lott was drafted by the 49ers (1st round - 8th overall pick) as a CB out of USC. He was moved to Safety because he could not play CB well enough in the NFL.

Incorrect.

Ronnie Lott was a Pro-Bowler at cornerback (1981, '82, '83, '84), an All-Pro '81 & '83, and was 2nd in the Rookie of the Year Award, finishing behind Lawrence Taylor.

Lott made the successful switch to safety in '85 and continued collecting accolades at that position as well.

Interestingly enough, he was roughly the same size as Patrick Peterson.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Incorrect.

Ronnie Lott was a Pro-Bowler at cornerback (1981, '82, '83, '84), an All-Pro '81 & '83, and was 2nd in the Rookie of the Year Award, finishing behind Lawrence Taylor.

Lott made the successful switch to safety in '85 and continued collecting accolades at that position as well.

Interestingly enough, he was roughly the same size as Patrick Peterson.

I stand corrected. You are right, he did switch in 85 to FS and then again switched to Strong. Regardless, Ronnie Lott was not a great CB. I've even heard him say this himself. Much better suited to Safety then CB. I don't know if they are the same size roughly or otherwise. Coming out of USC, Ronnie Lott was a 6-0 200 pound DB. According to what I've seen published, Peterson is anywhere from 6-1 210 lbs to 6-1 220 lbs. Which is correct? I don't know.

[realtick]

I stand corrected. You are right, he did switch in 85 to FS and then again switched to Strong. Regardless, Ronnie Lott was not a great CB. I've even heard him say this himself. Much better suited to Safety then CB. I don't know if they are the same size roughly or otherwise. Coming out of USC, Ronnie Lott was a 6-0 200 pound DB. According to what I've seen published, Peterson is anywhere from 6-1 210 lbs to 6-1 220 lbs. Which is correct? I don't know.

Wait a minute.

Ronnie Lott made the Pro Bowl at cornerback in four straight seasons beginning his rookie season in '81. Long before the advent of Internet fan voting. Was selected as an All-Pro in '81 & '83

Had 7 interceptions and 3 TD returns (off INTs) his rookie season which was good enough to put him in 2nd to only Lawrence Taylor as Rookie of the Year...

And you're saying he wasn't a good corner?

I could care less what Lott may have said in some moment of humility, the reality was he was a good corner and the rest of the league viewed him that way.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Wait a minute.

Ronnie Lott made the Pro Bowl at cornerback in four straight seasons beginning his rookie season in '81. Long before the advent of Internet fan voting. Was selected as an All-Pro in '81 & '83

Had 7 interceptions and 3 TD returns (off INTs) his rookie season which was good enough to put him in 2nd to only Lawrence Taylor as Rookie of the Year...

And you're saying he wasn't a good corner?

I could care less what Lott may have said in some moment of humility, the reality was he was a good corner and the rest of the league viewed him that way.

Why did he move to Safety after being so productive? Not saying you are wrong, just asking because I don't know.

[realtick]

Why did he move to Safety after being so productive? Not saying you are wrong, just asking because I don't know.

From what I've gathered from hearing him in past speak on the local radio station here in Bay Area (KNBR), Lott has alluded to the fact the coaches trusted him because he was an extremely intelligent player; a true QB of the defense.

[Nirvana]

If Quinn drops to us, you have to take that guy.6-5 265 pnds and sub 4.4 40 speed and extremely strong.
He is next D Ware.
You tube is your friend.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/425166-robert-quinn-the-monster-off-the-edge

Fun fact: His favorite team is the Dallas Cowboys.

[realtick]

If Quinn drops to us, you have to take that guy.6-5 265 pnds and sub 4.4 40 speed and extremely strong.
He is next D Ware.
You tube is your friend.

Sub 4.4? Lol, c'mon.

[Nirvana]

Sub 4.4? Lol, c'mon.

Just taking the reported time from above link. Lol agree that is beyond freakish.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wait a minute.

Ronnie Lott made the Pro Bowl at cornerback in four straight seasons beginning his rookie season in '81. Long before the advent of Internet fan voting. Was selected as an All-Pro in '81 & '83

Had 7 interceptions and 3 TD returns (off INTs) his rookie season which was good enough to put him in 2nd to only Lawrence Taylor as Rookie of the Year...

And you're saying he wasn't a good corner?

I could care less what Lott may have said in some moment of humility, the reality was he was a good corner and the rest of the league viewed him that way.

No. I'm saying that I've heard inteviews with Lott saying that he was a much better Safety then he ever was a CB. I mean, he's from Albuquerque New Mexico. I'm a big fan of the guy because he's home town. I mean, I don't love the 49ers but I do like Lott because he's from here and because he was a damn fine player.

You don't move All Pro CBs to safety if they really are better CBs. You don't replace All Everything CB Ronnie Lott with Erick Wright, Tim McKyer, Don Griffin. I mean, Wright had a couple of good seasons but on the whole, the were all just OK, not All Pro career type guys.

[realtick]

No. I'm saying that I've heard inteviews with Lott saying that he was a much better Safety then he ever was a CB. I mean, he's from Albuquerque New Mexico. I'm a big fan of the guy because he's home town. I mean, I don't love the 49ers but I do like Lott because he's from here and because he was a damn fine player.

You don't move All Pro CBs to safety if they really are better CBs. You don't replace All Everything CB Ronnie Lott with Erick Wright, Tim McKyer, Don Griffin. I mean, Wright had a couple of good seasons but on the whole, the were all just OK, not All Pro career type guys.

That very well may have been the case, but nevertheless, Ronnie Lott was a great CB. You don't make the Pro Bowls and All-Pro teams in the early '80s for nothing.

It's like on a scale of 1 to 10, an average NFL corner is say a 5. It's like you're trying to make a point that Ronnie Lott was a 10 at safety and only an 8 at CB.

Eric Wright, Tim McKyer and Don Griffin were all very good cornerbacks in their day. You do move a big corner like Ronnie Lott over to safety when there is a need, which there was. You put your best players on the field. Keep in mind a 6'0" 200+ corner in the 80's was a rarity, not the norm.

Can you name the 49ers starting free safety prior to Lott?

This is all really funny ABQ. You continue to downplay Ronnie Lott's ability as a corner because you're trying to support a failed point: that Ronnie Lott wasn't any good at corner.

That's despite all the Pro Bowl, All-Pro selections and accolades that beg to differ.

[Manwiththeplan]

Sub 4.4? Lol, c'mon.

I love this time of year, but I also hate it. Everyone's favorite prospects always runs a sub 4.4.

[Manwiththeplan]

Lott may have been a better safety, but he was a very good CB also.

[Nirvana]

The fastest way to improving our secondary is through upgrading our pass rush.

Quinn is the answer.

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