congresswoman gabrielle giffords shot in tucson

[rkell87]

at a safeway, 12 others are wounded.

for those that don't know she is married to astronaut mark Kelly who is scheduled to go up soon. the Kelly family are friends of the family. please keep her and the other wounded in your prayers

[rkell87]

cnn just reported that she has died, along with 6 other people. very sad that someone would do this, please keep all the other families in your prayers as well

[Hostile]

This doesn't happen in Tucson. This community is numb. We know people who work at that Safeway.

[rkell87]

This doesn't happen in Tucson. This community is numb. We know people who work at that Safeway.
let me know if you know anybody who was shot, we will pray for them

[casmith07]

Oh no :(

[bbgun]

My parents shop at a Safeway on East Sunrise. Which Safeway did it happen at?

[Gemini Dolly]

Just heard from ABC news that shes still alive and in surgery.

[Hostile]

let me know if you know anybody who was shot, we will pray for them
One of our friends says a child was also shot.

[rkell87]

Just heard from ABC news that shes still alive and in surgery.
her step niece just confirmed this on facebook

[Hostile]

My parents shop at a Safeway on East Sunrise. Which Safeway did it happen at?Ina and Oracle. This would be west of where your parents shop.

[rkell87]

One of our friends says a child was also shot.
ugh, i hope this guy goes away for life, or death if AZ does that

[bbgun]

Ina and Oracle. This would be west of where your parents shop.

Okay, thanks. Not to get political, but they wouldn't have attended a Dem rally in the first place. That said, some non-partisan bystanders/shoppers were probably victimized as well.

[rkell87]

her husband has just said the death reports are wrong, she is stable, and they are trying to remove the bullet from her brain

[Hostile]

ugh, i hope this guy goes away for life, or death if AZ does that
We do have the death penalty here.

[Hostile]

her husband has just said the death reports are wrong, she is stable, and they are trying to remove the bullet from her brainWe have even heard here that he was dead too.

This doesn't happen in Tucson. It just doesn't.

[rkell87]

just for some more info, the reports of her dying are because she was shot point blank in the head and eyewitnesses are assuming she died(cause c'mon point blank in the head) but she is alive at this moment

[bbgun]

We have even heard here that he was dead too.

This doesn't happen in Tucson. It just doesn't.

Mainly because you're an "open carry" state. The only problem is that you can never fully deter crazy people.

[Hostile]

There is a press conference in 15 minutes here. The hospital she was taken to is 5 minutes from my house

[rkell87]

We have even heard here that he was dead too.

This doesn't happen in Tucson. It just doesn't.
by he do you mean the shooter or her husband? her husband is on a private jet with his parents on the way to Tucson right now. the only thing we have heard on the shooter is that he is in custody

[Hostile]

by he do you mean the shooter or her husband? her husband is on a private jet with his parents on the way to Tucson right now. the only thing we have heard on the shooter is that he is in custodyYes, I am saying early reports said he (her husband) was dead too.

There are so many conflicting reports.

[Sam I Am]

We do have the death penalty here.

It needs an express lane. If the crime is indisputable, there is no reason for it to not happen within a weeks time.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Im hearing shes alive

[Hostile]

I told my wife we need to take flowers to the scene tonight. This is disgusting.

[rkell87]

Im hearing shes alive
she is, we are getting texts from the family, they will let us know when she is out of surgery

[Cajuncowboy]

Disgusting, senseless and pathetic. I am probably the most political person you would ever meet, but there is no reason to act in this way. She was elected to serve and if this is indeed politically motivated, it is another black day in American politics.

Either way, this is just completely sad and disgusting.

My prayers to the family.

[burmafrd]

Sad to say if the bullet got to the brain she might not really be alive.

[rkell87]

hey hos has the press conference started yet?

[Cajuncowboy]

hey hos has the press conference started yet?

Foxnews said it will have it live at 2:30

[xout]

This is bad. Really, really bad. My prayers go out to her and her family. She seems like an excellent woman who was just serving her country the way she thought was right.

I am all for standing up to our elected officials, but violence should never be the answer in our country.

The sad thing is that if this kid that shot her is tied to any right-wing movement of anysort, the Tea Party is going to be held responsible.

If I remember correctly - Sarah Palin had a section on her website back in March dedicated to 'targeting' blue-dog dems who she wanted the Tea Party to vote out of office. IF Giffords is on that list, the **** is going to hit the fan.

EDIT: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/palin-uses-crosshairs-to-identify-dems-who-voted-for-health-care-reform.php She was.

EDIT again: I know that Palin isn't advocating for the execution of politicians, and I'm not inferring it. If this shooting was politically motivated, this will definitively play a role in the investigation. I just remember the backlash she got by posting this map, and now that an act of violence has happened on someone that the right has already targeted in recent elections, the mainstream media pundits on the left are going to take it and run with it.

[rkell87]

Foxnews said it will have it live at 2:30
thanks

[Hostile]

hey hos has the press conference started yet?
No. They pushed it back. No reason why yet.

[burmafrd]

Supposedly she was tough on immigration; so its kind of doubtful that someone on here tried to blame the tea party for is correct.

[Hostile]

Disgusting, senseless and pathetic. I am probably the most political person you would ever meet, but there is no reason to act in this way. She was elected to serve and if this is indeed politically motivated, it is another black day in American politics.

Either way, this is just completely sad and disgusting.

My prayers to the family.Danny White, a member of this site was in Tucson campaigning against her several years ago. It is where I met him. She won that election.

I cannot stress this enough, she was a Moderate in recent years. In fact after her narrow win in November she said she felt a need to listen to the people.

This lady is one of the good people in Office in this state. I would take her over my Rep in District 7 any day of the week.

[Cajuncowboy]

This is bad. Really, really bad. My prayers go out to her and her family. She seems like an excellent woman who was just serving her country the way she thought was right.

I am all for standing up to our elected officials, but violence should never be the answer in our country.

The sad thing is that if this kid that shot her is tied to any right-wing movement of anysort, the Tea Party is going to be held responsible.

If I remember correctly - Sarah Palin had a section on her website back in March dedicated to 'targeting' blue-dog dems who she wanted the Tea Party to vote out of office. IF Giffords is on that list, the **** is going to hit the fan.

EDIT: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/palin-uses-crosshairs-to-identify-dems-who-voted-for-health-care-reform.php She was.

EDIT again: I know that Palin isn't advocating for the execution of politicians, and I'm not inferring it. I just remember the backlash she got by posting this map, and now that an act of violence has happened on someone that the right has already targeted in recent elections, the mainstream media pundits on the left are going to take it and run with it.

And if so, those that would lay this claim would be the worst kind of people. Also, she was against illegal immigration as well. So, would those same people hold Illegal immigrants culpable?

I'm not saying you are, just reacting to your supposition. BTW, I do think you are right, there will be kooks that will try to make this a political issue.

[bbgun]

And if so, those that would lay this claim would be the worst kind of people. Also, she was against illegal immigration as well. So, would those same people hold Illegal immigrants culpable?

I'm not saying you are, just reacting to your supposition. BTW, I do think you are right, there will be kooks that will try to make this a political issue.

It it can't be spun as a political issue, it will be spun as a gun issue. Just wait.

[Cajuncowboy]

Police are looking for a possible second suspect.
EDIT: Just reported 19 people shot. Hard to fathom one person doing this much damage in a public place considering that the suspect in custody was subdued by people in the crowd.

[bbgun]

I wonder if anyone on her staff or in the crowd videotaped this thing.

[rkell87]

Danny White, a member of this site was in Tucson campaigning against her several years ago. It is where I met him. She won that election.

I cannot stress this enough, she was a Moderate in recent years. In fact after her narrow win in November she said she felt a need to listen to the people.

This lady is one of the good people in Office in this state. I would take her over my Rep in District 7 any day of the week.
this is because of mark, he is a fighter pilot and astronaut and republican and has given her a different perspective to see issues, i have never met her but many people in my fam have and say she is the sweetest nicest woman they have met

[burmafrd]

Well that makes sense that there was more than one with that many shots fired. I wonder what in the world was security doing?

[xout]

It it can't be spun as a political issue, it will be spun as a gun issue. Just wait.


This. Regardless of the motives, this is a dark, sad day for our country and unfortunately the bickering and finger-pointing that is to come will only further divide us.

As for my previous post, I was not inferring that was the shooters motives - just posting what the initial political spin is likely to be.

[Hostile]

I wonder if anyone on her staff or in the crowd videotaped this thing.Store cameras in that plaza have all been taken by Tucson Police.

[burmafrd]

maps like that have been done by both sides over the years. You watch: there will be those that want to blame something like that instead of the POS that pulled the trigger.

[Cajuncowboy]

Reports are that she is in "Grave" condition. This from her friend and another law maker in AZ.

[burmafrd]

sadly that usually means on life support

[rkell87]

Police are looking for a possible second suspect.
EDIT: Just reported 19 people shot. Hard to fathom one person doing this much damage in a public place considering that the suspect in custody was subdued by people in the crowd.
he could have been subdued after the clip was spent, 16 bullets in a clip plus one in the chamber and two bullets grazing people then hitting another and there is your 19

[rkell87]

fox just reported that the child is dead

[Hostile]

PC is about to start.

Edit...they just pushed it back 15 more minutes.

[Hostile]

No one at the scene has been allowed to leave.

[rkell87]

Police are looking for a possible second suspect.
EDIT: Just reported 19 people shot. Hard to fathom one person doing this much damage in a public place considering that the suspect in custody was subdued by people in the crowd.
fox is saying the second gunman was shooting at the original gunman

[utrunner07]

She is alive and responding to commands, expected to make it through surgery. Brain damage is certain but not known the extent.

[Hostile]

bbgun, here (http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=safeway+tucson&fb=1&gl=us&hq=safeway&hnear=Tucson,+AZ&ei=CMooTc_oFpKisAPdl_jxBw&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&resnum=2&ved=0CAQQtgMwAQ&iwloc=16584320930557669322) is a map of how close this Safeway is to where your parents shop.

J is where she was shot. H is the one where they shop.

[rkell87]

fox is reporting that Gifford's is responding to commands, we have not even been told that she is out of surgery

[bbgun]

bbgun, here (http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=safeway+tucson&fb=1&gl=us&hq=safeway&hnear=Tucson,+AZ&ei=CMooTc_oFpKisAPdl_jxBw&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&resnum=2&ved=0CAQQtgMwAQ&iwloc=16584320930557669322) is a map of how close this Safeway is to where your parents shop.

J is where she was shot. H is the one where they shop.

That's closer to where one of my sisters lives, on Camino Abbey. You just never know in life. Just ask that little kid who died.

[utrunner07]

fox is reporting that Gifford's is responding to commands, we have not even been told that she is out of surgery

I imagine she is not out of surgery, they may/likely could have woken her up during the surgery as to avoid further damage via the surgery.

[Hostile]

That's closer to where one of my sisters lives, on Camino Abbey. You just never know in life. Just ask that little kid who died.
Holy cow, I have friends 1 block west of Camino Abbey on Camino De Michael.

Small world.

[Hostile]

Shooter is being reported as a Veteran from Afghanistan.

[Hostile]

I have met the Judge who was killed in this shooting.

I testified in a trial he presided over. Wow.

[burmafrd]

This sounds very suspicious. For someone to hit a person with all 16 shots, not the same person, just does not happen. 2 shooters is much more likely.

[rkell87]

ok update, she was actually responsive at the scene, they are still operating, she has not been woken up yet

[bbgun]

This sounds very suspicious. For someone to hit a person with all 16 shots, not the same person, just does not happen. 2 shooters is much more likely.

Or he had two guns?

[burmafrd]

that is hopeful.

[rkell87]

I have met the Judge who was killed in this shooting.

I testified in a trial he presided over. Wow.
wow...

[burmafrd]

how in the world did he have time to fire that many shots? ALl reports so far say he had only one gun in his hand. What was security doing?

[rkell87]

how in the world did he have time to fire that many shots? ALl reports so far say he had only one gun in his hand. What was security doing?
there is no security at these things and very little if they do. if he was really a vet it would be easy to get that many shots off and he would be extremely accurate

[Hostile]

wow...This is a post about the trial I am talking about.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3267216&postcount=71

[bbgun]

how in the world did he have time to fire that many shots? ALl reports so far say he had only one gun in his hand. What was security doing?

Store security or govt security? She's a low-ranking congressperson, so I'm not sure if she travels with a security detail.

[burmafrd]

There should always be security and just because someone is a vet does not mean they are any good with a weapon. Especially a handgun. You clearly have no idea about this. every event like this I have ever seen had local police on hand.

[casmith07]

Shooter is being reported as a Veteran from Afghanistan.

Ah jeeze. :( :( :(

It's possible that someone was shooting at the shooter and hit innocent bystanders.

[Kangaroo]

This sounds very suspicious. For someone to hit a person with all 16 shots, not the same person, just does not happen. 2 shooters is much more likely.

he may be a combat vet so no it would not be because he been in the situation and he stay calm and it is easy to unload 16 rounds from a pistol even reloading. Heck the guy at the Luby's in Killeen did.

[burmafrd]

I really hope that is not true. As we have seen early reports are usually wrong.

[burmafrd]

I know people who are PISTOL combat pros. Just because someone is a veteran does not mean they can do anything with a pistol.

[bbgun]

I know people who are PISTOL combat pros. Just because someone is a veteran does not mean they can do anything with a pistol.

Reports say he shot her at "point blank range." Don't need to be a military vet or firearms expert to do that. Just ask Sirhan Sirhan.

[casmith07]

Kind of upsetting that some here are arguing over the marksmanship of the shooter while a US congresswoman is in surgery for a bullet wound to the head.

Can we focus on what's important? The guy is in custody.

[Hostile]

"Optimistic she will recover."

Confirmed that the one death so far was a child.

[Cythim]

And when you are firing rounds off into a crowd it is pretty easy to hit someone, anyone.

[Hostile]

9 year old girl dead.

[Cythim]

9 year old girl dead.


That is extremely heart breaking

[burmafrd]

actually you would be surprised at how few are actually hit in such situations. Its usually 3-5 shots fired to every one that hits a person in situations like this.

[utrunner07]

"Optimistic she will recover."

Confirmed that the one death so far was a child.

Geez. Sickening. I see no reason to even give the shooter a trail, be a waste of time and I bet he gets off on insanity. Is jack Ruby still living?

[burmafrd]

9 year old girl. It does not get any worse.

[theebs]

9 year old girl dead.


how sad.

What a pointless act of violence. I wonder what the motive was.

but a 9 year old girl shot and killed is just beyond tragic and sad.

[Maikeru-sama]

Just got back from working out.

There were about 6 flat screens up and only 1 of them, which was Fox News showing this. I was a little surprised the other stations that had football games on didn't break and cover this.


This doesn't happen in Tucson. It just doesn't.

Not trying to be sarcastic but I have seen you say this twice in this thread.

This doesn't happen in most places in America.

[bbgun]

Sad day for journalism as well. How many people were reported dead when in fact they were not? Disgraceful.

[utrunner07]

Sad day for journalism as well. How many people were reported dead when in fact they were not? Disgraceful.

Nothing new there, been that way for the past 10 years at least.

Here is the nutjob's youtube page

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10?ob=0#p/a

[Cythim]

Sad day for journalism as well. How many people were reported dead when in fact they were not? Disgraceful.

Getting it first has trumped getting it right.

[bbgun]

Nothing new there, been that way for the past 10 years at least.

Here is the nutjob's youtube page

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10?ob=0#p/a

Save for his reading list, he doesn't seem explicitly political. Might just have mental health issues.

[The Fonz]

This is indeed a very sad news. My prayers go out to all the victims.
I hope they catch whoever did this and bring this low-life to justice.

[Heisenberg]

Nothing new there, been that way for the past 10 years at least.

Here is the nutjob's youtube page

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10?ob=0#p/a

Yeah. He's slightly off his rocker it seems. Not very surprising.

[WoodysGirl]

The latest from Yahoo says at least five have been killed..

Arizona Rep. Giffords shot, at least 5 killed
By TERRY TANG, AMANDA LEE MYERS and DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Terry Tang, Amanda Lee Myers And David Espo, Associated Press – 20 mins ago
TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents, killing at least five people and wounding several others in a rampage that rattled the nation.

Giffords was among at least 10 people wounded, and the hospital said her outlook was "optimistic" and that she was responding to commands from doctors. The hospital said a 9-year-old child was among the killed, and a U.S. Marshal said a federal judge was also fatally shot in the attack.

Read the rest: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot

[ologan]

Save for his reading list, he doesn't seem explicitly political. Might just have mental health issues.

Might have???

[kristie]

9 year old girl dead.

omg..:( :(

[burmafrd]

I hope this POS does not slide due to an insanity defense

[big dog cowboy]

What a sad story. So senseless.

[bbgun]

Might have???

Well, there's a distinction between "evil" and "mentally ill."

[rkell87]

apparently his my space page had a goodbye message and he asked his friends not to be mad at him.

[kristie]

apparently his my space page had a goodbye message and he asked his friends not to be mad at him.

what a moron.

[burmafrd]

well that should help prove that the insanity defense won't work. This POS is going to fry.

[xout]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4

He's pretty messed up.

[xout]

http://azstarnet.com/events/collection_aebeb63c-2f9e-11df-9021-001cc4c002e0.html?photo=8

This may or may not be the Jared Loughner that did this.

[rkell87]

update: she has been placed in a drug induced coma

[burmafrd]

That is not unusual in cases like this. Usually done to keep down brain swelling. A lot of the time they will cool the body down as well.

[Hostile]

Not trying to be sarcastic but I have seen you say this twice in this thread.

This doesn't happen in most places in America.Forgive me Mike. This makes me very sad. I am quite proud of my community and this is not us. This is not who or what we are here. Not by a long shot.

[Maikeru-sama]

Forgive me Mike. This makes me very sad. I am quite proud of my community and this is not us. This is not who or what we are here. Not by a long shot.

I hear ya man.

I meant to come back and edit my post as I kind of knew what you were saying
, just been super busy today.

[Hostile]

I hear ya man.

I meant to come back and edit my post as I kind of knew what you were saying
, just been super busy today.No need to. Not offended in the least.

[burmafrd]

He never served in the Military. Another mistake by our so called guardians of truth and honesty. The media really is pathetic and today just illustrates it even more. I lost count of the mistakes they made today- and these were not blogs or internet sites-these were the so called major network news organizations.

[casmith07]

I hope this POS does not slide due to an insanity defense

I'll spare you all a lesson on the NGI defense, but in short, no, he wouldn't get by.

[burmafrd]

That is what I thought, but like with the OJ case I really do not trust the so called Justice System much anymore.

[rkell87]

update from the family: gabby was the target, and the guy is refusing to say a word

[Hostile]

This is on his youtube page. Very, very weird.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Classitup10&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_564778#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw

[burmafrd]

I will bet serious money he did not read any of those books he claimed

[Illini88228]

This is on his youtube page. Very, very weird.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Classitup10&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_564778#p/a/f/0/3L1lsLU-kUw

That's just bizarre. What a tragedy. This is why people need to be careful about all the hyperbolic nonsense that gets spewed. You never know what nutjob is going to hear it and do something tragic.

[WoodysGirl]

Yahoo has updated the story. Now six people have lost their lives. So sad.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Giffords was the target of a gunman whom he described as mentally unstable and possibly acting along with an accomplice. He said Giffords was among 13 people wounded in the melee that killed six people, including Arizona's chief federal judge, a 9-year-old girl and an aide for the Democratic lawmaker. He said the rampage ended only after two people tackled the gunman.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot

At this point, I'd like to hear more about the victims than the shooter. It's pretty clear he's a nutjub.

[burmafrd]

Now do not blame ANYONE for what that POS did. ALl this garbage about blaming what someone said for what someone else did is a total copout and nothing but an attempt to shift the blame from the shooter.

[Hostile]

Now do not blame ANYONE for what that POS did. ALl this garbage about blaming what someone said for what someone else did is a total copout and nothing but an attempt to shift the blame from the shooter.
I assume you are talking about Sheriff Dupnik. I have met him, he is an absolute idiot and a jerk.

[burmafrd]

He will turn out to be just like every other POS that does something like this. No conspiracy or plan or anything like that. Just a piece of human filth that needs to dangle from a short piece of rope.

[rkell87]

update from the family: gabby is squeezing marks hand when he asks her to

[WoodysGirl]

update from the family: gabby is squeezing marks hand when he asks her to
That's pretty awesome news. Please pass on our thoughts and prayers to her family.

[rkell87]

That's pretty awesome news. Please pass on our thoughts and prayers to her family.
i will thank you

[burmafrd]

That is very good indeed. Its incredible luck that she appears to have beaten such huge odds.

[rkell87]

That is very good indeed. Its incredible luck that she appears to have beaten such huge odds.
or a miracle depending on your belief

[rkell87]

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/e/2e/b0f/e2eb0f94-2fb9-11df-8820-001cc4c002e0.image.jpgthis is the guy

[MonsterD]

This is a sad day, who knows this guy looks like he has schizophrenia, I knew someone once with it, and it has very obvious signs. (If you watch those videos on his youtube he has a lot of riddle-type phrases that are highly suggestive for that type).

[rkell87]

hos did you get my PM?

[WoodysGirl]

Just happened to find a classmate of the gunman on twitter. Interesting comments on this

caitieparker (http://twitter.com/#%21/caitieparker) Caitie Parker

Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can't even fathom this right now.

He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"

the question was odd & didn't make sense, I can't remember what it was. Just know it was weird.

he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class

As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.

he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.

more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.

I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.

Did GMA(+ ABC Radio) & The Today Show. No more interviews. I said how I knew Jared, & my shock at this incident. Now to reflect & pray.

I do not condone anything Jarod has done, it is horrific. I'm still in shock & haven't stopped shaking since the news.

I voted for Giffords & came into this story wondering what kind of evil could do this. Sadly, I know him, & I'm not proud of that.

[rkell87]

wow didnt see him being left wing coming

[ScipioCowboy]

wow didnt see him being left wing coming

His political leanings have very little relevance here. Sadly, though, this tragedy is already being politicized.

[Cajuncowboy]

His political leanings have very little relevance here. Sadly, though, this tragedy is already being politicized.

So true. And so sad. And it hasn't even been 24 hours.

[Maikeru-sama]

His political leanings have very little relevance here. Sadly, though, this tragedy is already being politicized.

So true. And so sad. And it hasn't even been 24 hours.

:hammer:

[bbgun]

His political leanings have very little relevance here. Sadly, though, this tragedy is already being politicized.

Not unusual. When Kennedy was killed in Dallas, people automatically suspected/blamed Dixiecrats, segregationists, Birchers, anti-UN types, etc. "Marxist" was nowhere on their list, because it didn't fit the "narrative."

[Joe Realist]

very tragic and sad

[WoodysGirl]

His political leanings have very little relevance here. Sadly, though, this tragedy is already being politicized.
It may very well turn out to be political. Just not for the reasons being assumed. *shrug*

[ScipioCowboy]

So true. And so sad. And it hasn't even been 24 hours.

If you want to witness something truly pathetic, check out my FB page. People are already using this to indict various political movements and exploit the gun debate.

[bbgun]

If you want to witness something truly pathetic, check out my FB page. People are already using this to indict various political movements and exploit the gun debate.

Ha! I called it. Unless he had priors, there's no reason to think he acquired the gun illegally (assuming he didn't steal it or something).

[MetalHead]

Just happened to find a classmate of the gunman on twitter. Interesting comments on this

caitieparker (http://twitter.com/#%21/caitieparker) Caitie Parker

Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can't even fathom this right now.

He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"

the question was odd & didn't make sense, I can't remember what it was. Just know it was weird.

he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class

As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.

he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.

more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.

I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.

Did GMA(+ ABC Radio) & The Today Show. No more interviews. I said how I knew Jared, & my shock at this incident. Now to reflect & pray.

I do not condone anything Jarod has done, it is horrific. I'm still in shock & haven't stopped shaking since the news.

I voted for Giffords & came into this story wondering what kind of evil could do this. Sadly, I know him, & I'm not proud of that.

.....

[Cajuncowboy]

If you want to witness something truly pathetic, check out my FB page. People are already using this to indict various political movements and exploit the gun debate.

This looks like a good way to weed out your friends. :D

Seriously, you have to be some kind of mental midget to politicize this.

[Hostile]

Ha! I called it. Unless he had priors, there's no reason to think he acquired the gun illegally (assuming he didn't steal it or something).He bought the gun on November 30th at Sportsman's Warehouse. He got it legally. A Glock 19.

[MetalHead]

If you want to witness something truly pathetic, check out my FB page. People are already using this to indict various political movements and exploit the gun debate.

PM me as how can I do that.

[Cajuncowboy]

PM me as how can I do that.

Yeah, me too if you don't mind.

[ScipioCowboy]

Ha! I called it. Unless he had priors, there's no reason to think he acquired the gun illegally (assuming he didn't steal it or something).

According to the article I read, the gun was an automatic of some type. If it was fully automatic, the gun should already be outlawed under existing legislation.

EDIT: Nevermind. Hos answered my question.

[Hostile]

Yeah, me too if you don't mind.Three.

[bbgun]

According to the article I read, the gun was an automatic of some type. If it was fully automatic, the gun should already be outlawed under existing legislation.

I doubt that Sportsman's Warehouse was knowingly selling an illegal gun.

[peplaw06]

According to the article I read, the gun was an automatic of some type. If it was fully automatic, the gun should already be outlawed under existing legislation.They just said semi automatic on Fox News.

[Cajuncowboy]

I doubt that Sportsman's Warehouse was knowingly selling an illegal gun.

The Glock 19 is a Semi Automatic.

[ScipioCowboy]

Three.

I'll PM all three of once I get back to my computer. I'm on my android right now, and it's difficult to do certain things.

[rkell87]

His political leanings have very little relevance here. Sadly, though, this tragedy is already being politicized.
but they do, had he been right wing, they would have been blamed. it was an attempted murder on a politician, it will be politicized every time, his leanings will just affect the way everything gets spun

[Cajuncowboy]

I'll PM all three of once I get back to my computer. I'm on my android right now, and it's difficult to do certain things.

Thanks.

[Cajuncowboy]

but they do, had he been right wing, they would have been blamed. it was an attempted murder on a politician, it will be politicized every time, his leanings will just affect the way everything gets spun

I don't think the Right will spin this as a leftist doing what leftists do. But as you say, if he was a right winger, the left would have done that.

Today, left or right, we should all be Arizonans.

[CliffnMesquite]

Hope's for a speedy recovery and My condolences to the familys of all involved.

[WoodysGirl]

She Has A Name: Christina Taylor Greene, 9 Yr. Old Killed In Tucson Massacre, Born on 9/11/01 (PHOTOS)

http://www.kvoa.com/images/thumbnails/08D3DC123A70950246908A4CE81A7310_250_250.jpg (http://www.kvoa.com/images/thumbnails/08D3DC123A70950246908A4CE81A7310_250_250.jpg)

TUCSON - The identity of the 9-year-old tragically killed in this morning's deadly rampage is Christina Taylor Greene.
Family says she was vibrant, excited about life, and she was the "best daughter in the world."

Born on September 11, 2001, Greene was excited about the political process, was on the student government, and went to the Giffords event today to learn more about the political process, family members say.

Read more: http://www.kvoa.com/news/9-year-old-victim-of-deadly-rampage-identified/

[bbgun]

http://patterico.com/files/2011/01/Christina-Greene-600x450.jpg

The little girl who was killed. Her name was Christina Greene.


TUCSON - The identity of the 9-year-old tragically killed in this morning's deadly rampage is Christina Taylor Greene.

Family says she was vibrant, excited about life, and she was the "best daughter in the world."

Born on September 11, 2001, Greene was excited about the political process, was on the student government, and went to the Giffords event today to learn more about the political process, family members say.

Greene attended Mesa Verde Elementary School. She was the only girl on the CDO baseball team - she loved the sport, as well as horseback riding and swimming.

[WoodysGirl]

Yahoo updated story with the names of all those who lost their lives

Dupnik said Giffords was among 13 people wounded in the melee that killed six people — including 9-year-old Christina Greene, 30-year-old Gifford aide Gabe Zimmerman, and U.S. District Judge John Roll. The 63-year-old judge had just stopped by to see his friend Giffords after attending Mass. Dupnik said the rampage ended only after two people tackled the gunman. Also killed were 76-year-old Dorthy Murray, 76-year-old Dorwin Stoddard, and 79-year-old Phyllis Scheck, investigators said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot

[big dog cowboy]

Holy moly look at that cute face.

[casmith07]

http://www.kvoa.com/images/thumbnails/08D3DC123A70950246908A4CE81A7310_250_250.jpg (http://www.kvoa.com/images/thumbnails/08D3DC123A70950246908A4CE81A7310_250_250.jpg)


Born on September 11, 2001,

:( :( :(

[Faerluna]

:( :( :(

She was apparently part of a book called Faces of Hope about babies born on 9/11.

Truly tragic.

[Hostile]

She Has A Name: Christina Taylor Greene, 9 Yr. Old Killed In Tucson Massacre, Born on 9/11/01 (PHOTOS)

[/URL]http://www.kvoa.com/images/thumbnails/08D3DC123A70950246908A4CE81A7310_250_250.jpg (http://www.kvoa.com/images/thumbnails/08D3DC123A70950246908A4CE81A7310_250_250.jpg)

TUCSON - The identity of the 9-year-old tragically killed in this morning's deadly rampage is Christina Taylor Greene.
Family says she was vibrant, excited about life, and she was the "best daughter in the world."

Born on September 11, 2001, Greene was excited about the political process, was on the student government, and went to the Giffords event today to learn more about the political process, family members say.

Read more: [URL]http://www.kvoa.com/news/9-year-old-victim-of-deadly-rampage-identified/Born on 9/11.

Beautiful child, cut down way too young by an idiot.

[kristie]

Born on 9/11.

Beautiful child, cut down way too young by an idiot.

yes. seeing a little girl like that taken away too soon makes me want to cry.:( :(

[Hostile]

yes. seeing a little girl like that taken away too soon makes me want to cry.:( :(Go ahead. Sometimes there is a good reason to.

[xout]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Starhitshnaz

This was him as well. He walks up to a flag in a cloak, and burns it.

The way he writes reminds me of someone with schizophrenia.

[xout]

I'm trying to decipher some of his babbling for some sort of motive. Be it political or what have you. I'm getting nowhere.

I mean... his favorite books are mein kampf and the communist manifesto. Polar opposite in terms of political spectrum.

He talks about defining terrorism, and he says the government doesn't follow its constitution. He wants to create a new currency. He babbles about not believing in anything, and that he would not trust in God.

He is clearly insane, and talks in circles. Schizophrenic circles.

[bbgun]

I'm trying to decipher some of his babbling for some sort of motive. Be it political or what have you. I'm getting nowhere.

I mean... his favorite books are mein kampf and the communist manifesto. Polar opposite in terms of political spectrum.

He talks about defining terrorism, and he says the government doesn't follow its constitution. He wants to create a new currency. He babbles about not believing in anything, and that he would not trust in God.

He is clearly insane, and talks in circles. Schizophrenic circles.

Isn't the congresswoman Jewish? Maybe that's an angle, but I doubt it. Sounds more like a crime of opportunity instead of something personal he held against her.

[xout]

Isn't the congresswoman Jewish? Maybe that's an angle, but I doubt it. Sounds more like a crime of opportunity instead of something personal he held against her.


Don't think so. He said in one of his videos he didn't have any religious beliefs.

I'm honestly thinking that he was trying to create chaos with all his ramblings of conflicting beliefs.

[peplaw06]

Born on 9/11.

Beautiful child, cut down way too young by an idiot.
They said she's the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green.

[theebs]

They said she's the granddaughter of former Phillies manager Dallas Green.


I also saw Peter king say yesterday that captain Kelly her husband took eli mannings jersey into space after the super bowl win.

Not trying to make light of the situation, just adding that it is interesting how things can always relate to so many people in so many different ways.

[brickman]

May God bless all the victims, their families & all of us in this great country.

[ologan]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Starhitshnaz

This was him as well. He walks up to a flag in a cloak, and burns it.

The way he writes reminds me of someone with schizophrenia.

This guy is a freak.

[rkell87]

interesting story, she hired an intern 6 days ago, that intern probably saved her life. after she was shot, and while people around him where getting shot, he took her head in his lap and put pressure on both wounds and talked to her to try and keep her conscious telling her to squeeze his arm and things like that.

a man that had only been on the job 5 days risked his own life to save a woman he barley knew. there are some amazing people in this world, truly amazing.

[DallasGirl50]

I can't wrap my head around this. What a creep. That little girl..sigh. So darn sad.

[Cajuncowboy]

I am still seething over this. I can't get the whole scene out of my head.

I would get banned from this site if I said in detail what I would like to do to this sack of crap.

[DIAF]

The little girl that was killed was also the granddaughter of Dallas Green, former MLB manager (Phillies and Mets).

[Hostile]

Hey folks, the mother of the little girl was just on the news here in Tucson. How she had the strength I do not know.

This is heartbreaking. Their neighbor took her to the event to meet Giffords. The neighbor is one of the ones clinging to life.

The neighbor's husband got a call to rush to the hospital and he called the little girl's Mom and told her as well. At the time neither knew what had happened.

On the way to the hospital the husband heard the news of the shooting. The little girl's Mom did not turn on the radio. She thought perhaps they had been in a car wreck.

Horrid. I can't even fathom what they must be going through.

[Hostile]

These folks are heroes.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-identify-3-people-who-disarmed-subdued-shooting-suspect/

[Heisenberg]

These folks are heroes.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-identify-3-people-who-disarmed-subdued-shooting-suspect/

It looks like they waited until they had an opening and just took it. No time to think in a situation like that. I'd like to think I'd do the same, but I guess you don't know until you're thrown into it.

[theebs]

Hey folks, the mother of the little girl was just on the news here in Tucson. How she had the strength I do not know.

This is heartbreaking. Their neighbor took her to the event to meet Giffords. The neighbor is one of the ones clinging to life.

The neighbor's husband got a call to rush to the hospital and he called the little girl's Mom and told her as well. At the time neither knew what had happened.

On the way to the hospital the husband heard the news of the shooting. The little girl's Mom did not turn on the radio. She thought perhaps they had been in a car wreck.

Horrid. I can't even fathom what they must be going through.

wow. The neighbor took the little girl....wow. Those families must be so heartbroken.

The world is a cruel place, I really cant stand violence. What a waste of lives.

[peplaw06]

Hey folks, the mother of the little girl was just on the news here in Tucson. How she had the strength I do not know.

This is heartbreaking. Their neighbor took her to the event to meet Giffords. The neighbor is one of the ones clinging to life.

The neighbor's husband got a call to rush to the hospital and he called the little girl's Mom and told her as well. At the time neither knew what had happened.

On the way to the hospital the husband heard the news of the shooting. The little girl's Mom did not turn on the radio. She thought perhaps they had been in a car wreck.

Horrid. I can't even fathom what they must be going through.Another sports angle, Dallas Green's son (the girl's father) works for the Dodgers in their scouting department.

This is just unbelievable. It happened in my town too Hos last April. It wasn't on this scale, but a guy went on a rampage at two locations around town. Luckily he only took one life before he offed himself. But he did wound a number of people.

It sure makes you think twice when you go in public... at least it did for me.

[Hostile]

The authorities seized 2 envelopes from a safe in his home. One had a title on it "I Planned This" and the other "My Assassination."

There are also letters to and from Giffords and a single note with her name and his signature on it.

She was the target, no doubt.

The 911 calls are being released now.

Here are the local news sites you can check for stuff on. I do want to give the first link some credit. They are the only one who did not follow the NPR report that Giffords was dead. In fact the reporters said, "it is being reported, but we cannot confirm that so we will not report it."

KGUN 9 (http://www.kgun9.com/)

KVOA 4 (http://www.kvoa.com/home/)

KOLD 13 (http://www.kold.com/)

[Hostile]

He had 4 clips that hold 31 rounds.

[DallasGirl50]

The little girl's father was on Fox News and he was crying so hard it was hard to understand what he said. Phone call I should say.

This whole situation is just evil. Pure evil.

[bbgun]

The little girl's father was on Fox News and he was crying so hard it was hard to understand what he said. Phone call I should say.

This whole situation is just evil. Pure evil.

I can't believe her mother was composed enough to do an interview. I would have cried in a windowless room for a month or longer.

[Temo]

Here are the local news sites you can check for stuff on. I do want to give the first link some credit. They are the only one who did not follow the NPR report that Giffords was dead. In fact the reporters said, "it is being reported, but we cannot confirm that so we will not report it."

Fox and CNN also reported it. The Local News people were the only ones who seemed to have done it properly.

[WoodysGirl]

Pulled from twitter


People who want to send good wishes to Rep Giffords may e-mail giffordswellwishes@gmail.com.

[The Fonz]

These folks are heroes.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-identify-3-people-who-disarmed-subdued-shooting-suspect/


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[DallasGirl50]

I can't believe her mother was composed enough to do an interview. I would have cried in a windowless room for a month or longer.


I know. It is so very tragic.

I'm female so I've got the "girls cry about everything" gene but I can't imagine anybody listening to those parents and not tearing up.

[ajk23az]

This story just got weirder and weirder...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249381

[MonsterD]

This story just got weirder and weirder...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249381


Very well could have been after she was shot, there is known by hackers an exploit that they can force some actions on someone else's account. I know of people forcing favorite videos on another person's account to embarrass them.

Also subscribing is not "contacting" anyone it is just clicking on a button in their account to get any new videos on that channel(account). That makes it sound like they had to be some kind back and forth between them, it doesn't mean anything.

[kristie]

http://patterico.com/files/2011/01/Christina-Greene-600x450.jpg (http://patterico.com/files/2011/01/Christina-Greene-600x450.jpg)

The little girl who was killed. Her name was Christina Greene.


TUCSON - The identity of the 9-year-old tragically killed in this morning's deadly rampage is Christina Taylor Greene.

Family says she was vibrant, excited about life, and she was the "best daughter in the world."

Born on September 11, 2001, Greene was excited about the political process, was on the student government, and went to the Giffords event today to learn more about the political process, family members say.

Greene attended Mesa Verde Elementary School. She was the only girl on the CDO baseball team - she loved the sport, as well as horseback riding and swimming.

what a beautiful little girl. so precious. it just breaks my heart that she was taken away too soon. :(

[brickman]

what a beautiful little girl. so precious. it just breaks my heart that she was taken away too soon. :(


Makes you sometimes wonder what the plan is, for a sweet, innocent child to be senselessly taken. So sad, just a waste.
May her family be comforted in knowing that the thoughts and prayers of the people of the USA are with her.

[casmith07]

This story just got weirder and weirder...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249381

Very well could have been after she was shot, there is known by hackers an exploit that they can force some actions on someone else's account. I know of people forcing favorite videos on another person's account to embarrass them.

Also subscribing is not "contacting" anyone it is just clicking on a button in their account to get any new videos on that channel(account). That makes it sound like they had to be some kind back and forth between them, it doesn't mean anything.

My guess is Monster is right - some sick person probably hacked her account and subscribed to his to make it look like this.

[DFWJC]

maps like that have been done by both sides over the years. You watch: there will be those that want to blame something like that instead of the POS that pulled the trigger.
Surprise. The New York Times has already gone there. There was a time when that paper had some integrity, but that time passed long ago. Sadly, that is the norm now and they are just one of the crowd on both sides of the politcal aisle. But I guess there was a time when I would have expected more from them.

[ajk23az]

That makes it sound like they had to be some kind back and forth between them, it doesn't mean anything.

My guess is Monster is right - some sick person probably hacked her account and subscribed to his to make it look like this.

That would be quite the coincidence.

[DFWJC]

I'm trying to decipher some of his babbling for some sort of motive. Be it political or what have you. I'm getting nowhere.

I mean... his favorite books are mein kampf and the communist manifesto. Polar opposite in terms of political spectrum.

He talks about defining terrorism, and he says the government doesn't follow its constitution. He wants to create a new currency. He babbles about not believing in anything, and that he would not trust in God.

He is clearly insane, and talks in circles. Schizophrenic circles.
Those books are absolutley not the polar opposites politically--they both have many simularities and subscribe to a centralized, all powerful govenment for starters.

I completely agree with you that this guy sounds (at the very least )borderline Schitzo.

[bbgun]

what a beautiful little girl. so precious. it just breaks my heart that she was taken away too soon. :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345788/Arizona-shooting-Christina-Taylor-Greens-parents-reveal-pride-born-9-11.html

[DFWJC]

what a beautiful little girl. so precious. it just breaks my heart that she was taken away too soon. :(
Just devastating.
I cannot begin to imagine the heartbreak.

[Hostile]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345788/Arizona-shooting-Christina-Taylor-Greens-parents-reveal-pride-born-9-11.html
The video of her Dad is heart breaking.

[Doomsday101]

Very sad what took place makes you wonder what the hell is wrong with some people

[DallasGirl50]

They had a long segment and interview on Fox this morning with a lady who took a college class with this murderer and it was chilling to listen to her talk about what a disturbed kid he was and how she worried about her own safety in that class; she said in an email that he was the type to do something like this.

Now here's a lady that didn't know him and it was obvious that he was loony.

Scary.

[brickman]

This guy is a freak.


May the POS rot in hell!

[Hostile]

In an interview with local reporters one of the men who held this guy down said the only thing he said was, "you're hurting my arm."

Like people should say, "oh sorry, about that. Let's all be more gentle while we hold down this assassin."

He's lucky the people holding him down were nice. I would have stood on one leg and held the other out as wide as I could and encouraged people to kick him in the pills until the cops got there.

They should care they were hurting your arm? No freak boy, they should have punched your jaw until you couldn't complain about the pain.

I love what one of the guys who subdued him said, "the only thing that will matter to him is the needle." At least his death will be humane.

[WV Cowboy]

http://patterico.com/files/2011/01/Christina-Greene-600x450.jpg (http://patterico.com/files/2011/01/Christina-Greene-600x450.jpg)



What a beautiful little child, .. look at the innocence in those eyes.

I cannot imagine what her family is going through, .. I choke up to think if she were my granddaughter.

Can we just quickly dispose of the garbage that did this? I have as much compassion as the next guy, but what does he deserve from our society after doing this?

Nothing.

[bbgun]

Here's the monster's mugshot. The line of people interested in removing that smug from his face would stretch from Tucson to NY.

http://a.yfrog.com/img640/7026/wfvl.jpg

[DFWJC]

Here's the monster's mugshot. The line of people interested in removing that smug from his face would stretch from Tucson to NY.

http://a.yfrog.com/img640/7026/wfvl.jpg (http://a.yfrog.com/img640/7026/wfvl.jpg)
Boils the blood

[Hostile]

This is a post about the trial I am talking about.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3267216&postcount=71The guy I testified for just came and visited me to see if I remembered this was the Judge at his trial. He said he hasn't slept well since this happened. He realizes that Judge Roll could have sent him away for 10 years and ultimately believed in him enough to give him a 2nd chance. I've never seen him so emotional. He said he may go to his funeral. I wouldn't blame him at all.

[MonsterD]

If he is found to be mentally ill, will he still get the death penalty? I don't even see why he did it, normally there is a vendetta like that guy at the school council.

[peplaw06]

If he is found to be mentally ill, will he still get the death penalty? I don't even see why he did it, normally there is a vendetta like that guy at the school council.Just judging from the information coming out, I don't think an insanity defense would get very far. If they're finding things he wrote such as targeting Rep. Giffords, "I planned this alone," and the like, he's gonna fry.

He may very well be insane. But the insanity defense is only effective to avoid a conviction (and likely death penalty) if the insanity rendered him unable to realize what he was doing, and that it was wrong.

Just a knee-jerk opinion taken from snippets of information I've seen, so take it FWIW.

[Cajuncowboy]

Just judging from the information coming out, I don't think an insanity defense would get very far. If they're finding things he wrote such as targeting Rep. Giffords, "I planned this alone," and the like, he's gonna fry.

He may very well be insane. But the insanity defense is only effective to avoid a conviction (and likely death penalty) if the insanity rendered him unable to realize what he was doing, and that it was wrong.

Just a knee-jerk opinion taken from snippets of information I've seen, so take it FWIW.

Well, I'm not a lawyer but from my understanding for an insanity defense to work, you must be able to demonstrate that the accused didn't know what he was doing was wrong. Since he left a note saying "Please don't be mad at me" he must have known what he was going to do was wrong.

[DallasGirl50]

Just judging from the information coming out, I don't think an insanity defense would get very far. If they're finding things he wrote such as targeting Rep. Giffords, "I planned this alone," and the like, he's gonna fry.

He may very well be insane. But the insanity defense is only effective to avoid a conviction (and likely death penalty) if the insanity rendered him unable to realize what he was doing, and that it was wrong.

Just a knee-jerk opinion taken from snippets of information I've seen, so take it FWIW.


Just to add to what you posted and I just caught a snippet of what an attorney said on Fox this AM..she said they probably would not use the insanity plea because the evidence was strong that he did plan this. Some letter he wrote; some Facebook posting.

I dunno. That mugshot is creepy. It's telling as well that people that had an association with this guy thought he was nuts and would be one to do something like this.

[peplaw06]

Well, I'm not a lawyer but from my understanding for an insanity defense to work, you must be able to demonstrate that the accused didn't know what he was doing was wrong. Since he left a note saying "Please don't be mad at me" he must have known what he was going to do was wrong.Right. That's what I'm saying.

Just to add to what you posted and I just caught a snippet of what an attorney said on Fox this AM..she said they probably would not use the insanity plea because the evidence was strong that he did plan this. Some letter he wrote; some Facebook posting.

I dunno. That mugshot is creepy. It's telling as well that people that had an association with this guy thought he was nuts and would be one to do something like this.Yep. And it's not just that he may have been legally insane at one point in time. If there was a plan, he would have to prove insanity at the time he developed the plan. Then he would have to prove insanity at the time he carried out the plan. And at all steps in between.

Suffice it to say if the prosecution can prove some kind of planning, it will be very hard for him to be found not guilty by reason of insanity.

[DallasGirl50]

Right. That's what I'm saying.

Yep. And it's not just that he may have been legally insane at one point in time. If there was a plan, he would have to prove insanity at the time he developed the plan. Then he would have to prove insanity at the time he carried out the plan. And at all steps in between.

Suffice it to say if the prosecution can prove some kind of planning, it will be very hard for him to be found not guilty by reason of insanity.

Yea you're exactly right. Reading so much on this that it's hard to know what is accurate or not (for instance the other day when I logged on there was a big story online about how the Congresswoman was dead) but apparently he is not talking to the investigators at all. He's definitely not right. The lady in his math class said he was nuts and that was obvious. He looks like evil personified in that mugshot. Creepy.

[kristie]

Here's the monster's mugshot. The line of people interested in removing that smug from his face would stretch from Tucson to NY.

http://a.yfrog.com/img640/7026/wfvl.jpg (http://a.yfrog.com/img640/7026/wfvl.jpg)

he makes me sick.:mad:

[DallasGirl50]

He's just a kid of 22 but he looks so much older. Creepy looking.

[Cajuncowboy]

http://a.yfrog.com/img640/7026/wfvl.jpg

Not trying to make light of this but I'm glad Nick Folk had an alibi.

http://www.footballnewsnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/nick_folk_sm.jpg

[bbgun]

He's just a kid of 22 but he looks so much older. Creepy looking.

True. Looks like he's in his mid 30s.

[VietCowboy]

Right. That's what I'm saying.

Yep. And it's not just that he may have been legally insane at one point in time. If there was a plan, he would have to prove insanity at the time he developed the plan. Then he would have to prove insanity at the time he carried out the plan. And at all steps in between.

Suffice it to say if the prosecution can prove some kind of planning, it will be very hard for him to be found not guilty by reason of insanity.

Regardless of the verdict, he'll spend the rest of his life in a mental institution.

[Dallas]

Regardless of the verdict, he'll spend the rest of his life in a mental institution.


Not if it's federal. Killing the Judge, I bet the feds fry him.

[rkell87]

hey i just wanted to pass some news along, a lot of people have been asking what they can do for Giffords so much so that her husband mark asked her and her answer was "nothing" he asked if there was anything she wanted and she said "make a donation to red cross or the food bank, there are other people in need that can be helped". just thought i would pass that along, i believe mark had a press release on this as well.

as for gabby she is doing well all things considered, but is not out of the woods yet and has a long road ahead regardless, please continue to keep her in your prayers

[kristie]

Not if it's federal. Killing the Judge, I bet the feds fry him.

that POS should be fried.

[CowboyMcCoy]

"Optimistic she will recover."

Confirmed that the one death so far was a child.

Give this turd the chair for that.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Save for his reading list, he doesn't seem explicitly political. Might just have mental health issues.

I've read 2/3rds of what's on his reading list. LOL Some of it isn't even political.

[CowboyMcCoy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHoaZaLbqB4

He's pretty messed up.

Looks like his Logic teacher really screwed him up. He should have stuck with all swans are white.

Or All people die.
I'm a people.
------------
Ima get the electric chair

[CowboyMcCoy]

This is a sad day, who knows this guy looks like he has schizophrenia, I knew someone once with it, and it has very obvious signs. (If you watch those videos on his youtube he has a lot of riddle-type phrases that are highly suggestive for that type).

He's trying to use basic logic, and not making much sense while doing so. This guy is insane in the membrane.

[CowboyMcCoy]

I can't believe her mother was composed enough to do an interview. I would have cried in a windowless room for a month or longer.

It's been 6 months. And I still cry like a baby over my daughter, like it was yesterday. People told me it would get better. It hasn't. I don't think it will. Ruins your life, pretty much. They have a long, tough road ahead. No words can begin to explain it either. Maybe "tormented", but that's still not a strong enough word to describe what their future days, months and years will be like--having lost the most precious thing on earth.

I'm so mad. The politicians I feel only a little sorry for. But the girl, man, who would have evil in them to do that?

I hope this guy is the first publicized execution to be nationally televised. I hate anyone who harms a child, or murders someone without just cause.

This guy is a complete twit. I have my beef with the government, but you won't catch me using violence against them.

All this did was make politicians, who are already hard to access, nearly impossible to access now because of all the future security precautions.

The alarmists will be out in full-force now. Ironically, he created exactly a situation I believe he was fighting against.

But that's what morons like this do.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Just judging from the information coming out, I don't think an insanity defense would get very far. If they're finding things he wrote such as targeting Rep. Giffords, "I planned this alone," and the like, he's gonna fry.

He may very well be insane. But the insanity defense is only effective to avoid a conviction (and likely death penalty) if the insanity rendered him unable to realize what he was doing, and that it was wrong.

Just a knee-jerk opinion taken from snippets of information I've seen, so take it FWIW.
You can't have a premeditated/insanity defense. It this was clearly premeditated.

[kristie]

or a miracle depending on your belief

i think it's a miracle.

[casmith07]

Tuscon plans to shield the girl's funeral from those idiot church protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1

[theebs]

Tuscon plans to shield the girl's funeral from those idiot church protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1


ugghh those people.
they should be locked up for being insane.

[big dog cowboy]

Tuscon plans to shield the girl's funeral from those idiot church protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1
That is great news. Topeka is just down the road so everything they do makes the news. I am sooooooo sick and tired of them and their stupid beliefs I can't change the TV channel fast enough when they come on.

[DallasGirl50]

It's been 6 months. And I still cry like a baby over my daughter, like it was yesterday. People told me it would get better. It hasn't. I don't think it will. Ruins your life, pretty much. They have a long, tough road ahead. No words can begin to explain it either. Maybe "tormented", but that's still not a strong enough word to describe what their future days, months and years will be like--having lost the most precious thing on earth.

I'm so mad. The politicians I feel only a little sorry for. But the girl, man, who would have evil in them to do that?

I hope this guy is the first publicized execution to be nationally televised. I hate anyone who harms a child, or murders someone without just cause.

This guy is a complete twit. I have my beef with the government, but you won't catch me using violence against them.

All this did was make politicians, who are already hard to access, nearly impossible to access now because of all the future security precautions.

The alarmists will be out in full-force now. Ironically, he created exactly a situation I believe he was fighting against.

But that's what morons like this do.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

[MonsterD]

Tuscon plans to shield the girl's funeral from those idiot church protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1

How do these people even exist? Can we deport them to the Middle East or something?

Link to their message after the shooting (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/09/westboro-baptist-church-arizona_n_806319.html)

[DFWJC]

Tuscon plans to shield the girl's funeral from those idiot church protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1
To even call them anything remotely related to true christians would be comical if it were not so sad. They represent the worst with their finger-pointing and grave stomping--and in the process drive more people away from Christianity than any atheist ever could.

They represent that remote 1% , yet some in the press will make it sound like they are some kind of norm...scary stuff.

[Hostile]

Tuscon plans to shield the girl's funeral from those idiot church protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html?hpt=T1Oh, I may go to jail. I am dead serious too. If I get a chance to fight those people I am going to. I will be finding out where to volunteer this morning.

[peplaw06]

Regardless of the verdict, he'll spend the rest of his life in a mental institution.I'm confused... Are you saying he will avoid the death penalty for sure, or that even if he gets the death penalty he will be in a mental institution? I figure if he gets the death penalty he's going to be in solitary until the time of the execution. The feds also don't play around with executions. He'll be in Terra Haute, and he won't be there no 20 years waiting to be executed.

You can't have a premeditated/insanity defense. It this was clearly premeditated.Generally you're right. I suppose you could have an insanity defense if you prove the guy planned everything when he was crazy. But I would think it's extremely unlikely.

[Cajuncowboy]

Oh, I may go to jail. I am dead serious too. If I get a chance to fight those people I am going to. I will be finding out where to volunteer this morning.

I would love to fly out there and be with you. I hate these people more than I can say on this forum.

[bbgun]

I would love to fly out there and be with you. I hate these people more than I can say on this forum.

They really are sub-human. For these supposedly God-fearing activists to intentionally compound the mourners' suffering is evil.

[theebs]

Oh, I may go to jail. I am dead serious too. If I get a chance to fight those people I am going to. I will be finding out where to volunteer this morning.


They are not even worth your time. they are not worth anyones time.

They should be completely ignored so that they go away.

[Hostile]

I would love to fly out there and be with you. I hate these people more than I can say on this forum.You can say it via PM to me.

I left a message with the Patriot Guard Riders. If they are coming (maybe not since these are not soldiers) I will ride with them. If they are not coming I will be part of the wings project to keep these jerks at bay.

I wish there was a way to find out where these creeps are staying. Picket those motels and follow them to any restaurant where they try to eat. They do not deserve food. They do not deserve lodging. They do not deserve respect. I wish there was a website that could tell you this information so rallies could be prepared to stop them.

[Hostile]

They are not even worth your time. they are not worth anyones time.

They should be completely ignored so that they go away.If I were to get a good running start at old Fred, he would be hit with a vicious flying tackle followed by a ground and pound until the cops pulled me off. I'll take my chances on a jury trial.

I think these monsters should be deported out of the US and not allowed back. I do not care about their freedom of speech.

[theebs]

If I were to get a good running start at old Fred, he would be hit with a vicious flying tackle followed by a ground and pound until the cops pulled me off. I'll take my chances on a jury trial.

I think these monsters should be deported out of the US and not allowed back. I do not care about their freedom of speech.


I hear ya. I cant imagine anyone else thinks the way they do.

That is why I said, they should be ignored. They are constantly a topic in the news and on the internet all because of how moronic they are.

Its like they just do it for the attention.

That is why I would hate to think you could do some own harm to yourself in confronting them.

I imagine the news cycle will be monitoring them closely and anything that happens with them will be a story. Which is a shame because they are not a story, nor worthy of one.

They are just more fodder for the screwed up 24/7 news cycle so many people consume.

[burmafrd]

Its a cult. The entire family is basically the so called congregation. They do it for attention and to make money. It has NOTHING to do with any religion in reality.

I would like to take every adult and tie them up in their church and then burn it down and listen to them scream for mercy as they burned. I am sure the Devil will give them a warm welcome as well.

[casmith07]

You can say it via PM to me.

I left a message with the Patriot Guard Riders. If they are coming (maybe not since these are not soldiers) I will ride with them. If they are not coming I will be part of the wings project to keep these jerks at bay.

I wish there was a way to find out where these creeps are staying. Picket those motels and follow them to any restaurant where they try to eat. They do not deserve food. They do not deserve lodging. They do not deserve respect. I wish there was a website that could tell you this information so rallies could be prepared to stop them.

Sounds like a project to undertake....

[casmith07]

If I were to get a good running start at old Fred, he would be hit with a vicious flying tackle followed by a ground and pound until the cops pulled me off. I'll take my chances on a jury trial.

I think these monsters should be deported out of the US and not allowed back. I do not care about their freedom of speech.

It would only be assault and battery. You'd likely be able to settle out of court ;)

[DFWJC]

Its a cult. The entire family is basically the so called congregation. They do it for attention and to make money. It has NOTHING to do with any religion in reality.

I would like to take every adult and tie them up in their church and then burn it down and listen to them scream for mercy as they burned. I am sure the Devil will give them a warm welcome as well.
I can't stand those people either.

But don't you think that's just a little over the top?:eek:

[peplaw06]

It would only be assault and battery. You'd likely be able to settle out of court ;)lol.

Hos, you've heard of the "he needed killing" defense. You could easily get a jury to go for that. He needed a good butt-whippin.

[visionary]

To even call them anything remotely related to true christians would be comical if it were not so sad. They represent the worst with their finger-pointing and grave stomping--and in the process drive more people away from Christianity than any atheist ever could.

They represent that remote 1% , yet some in the press will make it sound like they are some kind of norm...scary stuff.

this fringe is found in every religion (not just christianity) and is a big part of the violence in this world.

[Aikmaniac]

You can say it via PM to me.

I left a message with the Patriot Guard Riders. If they are coming (maybe not since these are not soldiers) I will ride with them. If they are not coming I will be part of the wings project to keep these jerks at bay.

I wish there was a way to find out where these creeps are staying. Picket those motels and follow them to any restaurant where they try to eat. They do not deserve food. They do not deserve lodging. They do not deserve respect. I wish there was a website that could tell you this information so rallies could be prepared to stop them.

Wish I lived over there to lend a hand...or a louisville slugger.

[Aikmaniac]

I can't stand those people either.

But don't you think that's just a little over the top?:eek:

If that was your 9 year old daughter, I'd imagine you'd be there with some gasoline.

[WV Cowboy]

Tuscon plans to shield the girl's funeral from those idiot church protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church:


I remembering them picketing funerals of people that died of AIDS, or funeral of gays, or soldiers, ... why this little girl ?

[burmafrd]

I can't stand those people either.

But don't you think that's just a little over the top?:eek:

No. Really bad people need to come to a really bad end.

[Cajuncowboy]

I remembering them picketing funerals of people that died of AIDS, or funeral of gays, or soldiers, ... why this little girl ?

Because they are the worst kind of people. Blatantly using God to propagate hate. The fate that awaits them after they die is not one I would want to contemplate.

Now the fate of them prior to death, I would like to help with.

[bbgun]

Because they are the worst kind of people. Blatantly using God to propagate hate. The fate that awaits them after they die is not one I would want to contemplate.

Now the fate of them prior to death, I would like to help with.

They better hope there isn't a God.

[DFWJC]

If that was your 9 year old daughter, I'd imagine you'd be there with some gasoline.
Probably so.

Still, I know you were sort of kidding, but I think we all know you don't kill people just for something they say, regardless of how wrong and horrible it is.

[DFWJC]

They better hope there isn't a God.
Oh so true....so they are out of luck.


BTW, where does it say those morons are going to picket this poor little child's funeral? Or is someone making this up?