Quinn or Miller with the 9th pick ?

[jnday]

I have a question for some fans wanting Quinn or Miller with the 9th pick. What will the Cowboys do with Spencer ? Is Ryan the type of DC that can get Spencer to play up to his potential ? I would like to trade back a couple times and gather picks to use on the o-line. After reading some of the comments on Quinn and Miller , I have tried to have a more open mind on drafting one of these guys. I understand the concept of having two top-rate pass rushers. I just don`t know if the payoff is worth overlooking some of the positions with more need. Your thoughts?

[marchetta]

Like Stephen Jones said, we're going best player available even if it's not at a position of need. SJ said, in this league of injuries, you have to go BPA because a position of strength can become a position of weakness in one snap. For those that think Quinn wouldn't fill a position of need, just ask yourselves what would happen if we lost Ware? We'd lose our only true pass rushing threat. With Quinn, our season wouldn't be over.

[Cowboyslife]

Like Stephen Jones said, we're going best player available even if it's not at a position of need. SJ said, in this league of injuries, you have to go BPA because a position of strength can become a position of weakness in one snap. For those that think Quinn wouldn't fill a position of need, just ask yourselves what would happen if we lost Ware? We'd lose our only true pass rushing threat. With Quinn, our season wouldn't be over.

Other than Ware, who is a true pass-rushing threat? I don't think we quite solved the pass-rush problem.

[TheCount]

I am under the impression that the team is actually quite pleased with Spencer and not looking to replace him.

[CATCH17]

Quinn would be my choice for no other reason than having a backup plan if there were an injury.

Plus I think Spencer needs someone on his heels.

[TheCount]

Ugh, can a mod please delete one of my Spencer posts. Stupid iPhone.

[dadymat]

Ugh, can a mod please delete one of my Spencer posts. Stupid iPhone.

no ....it needed to be said twice....maybe it will sink in to some now that Spencer is not a weakness

[jnday]

I am under the impression that the team is actually quite pleased with Spencer and not looking to replace him.

I feel the same way , but several posters ranted and raved over the chance of having one of them with the 9th pick. I would like to know ,what to do with Spencer ?

[RealCowboyfan]

Like Stephen Jones said, we're going best player available even if it's not at a position of need. SJ said, in this league of injuries, you have to go BPA because a position of strength can become a position of weakness in one snap. For those that think Quinn wouldn't fill a position of need, just ask yourselves what would happen if we lost Ware? We'd lose our only true pass rushing threat. With Quinn, our season wouldn't be over.

This makes me think that Cam Newton or Fairly might be the best players on the board then. I rather get Cam Newton or trade the pick off to someone else instead of giving Redskins the option to get him if the Cowboys not going to draft him.

[rkell87]

This makes me think that Cam Newton or Fairly might be the best players on the board then. I rather get Cam Newton or trade the pick off to someone else instead of giving Redskins the option to get him if the Cowboys not going to draft him.
lol we can only pray washington picks cam

[burmafrd]

I really wonder how any good coach can be PLEASED with his play this year. With the exception of the last six games last year Spencer has never shown much.

[respectdatstar]

I feel the same way , but several posters ranted and raved over the chance of having one of them with the 9th pick. I would like to know ,what to do with Spencer ?

Quinn is a DE/OLB. So is Spencer. Could one of them play OLB and the other play DE? Say, a front 7 like this:

DE - Marcus Spears
NT - Jay Ratliff
DE - Robert Quinn

OLB - Anthony Spencer
ILB - Bradie James
ILB - Sean Lee
OLB - DeMarcus Ware

[TheCount]

Quinn is a DE/OLB. So is Spencer. Could one of them play OLB and the other play DE? Say, a front 7 like this:

DE - Marcus Spears
NT - Jay Ratliff
DE - Robert Quinn

OLB - Anthony Spencer
ILB - Bradie James
ILB - Sean Lee
OLB - DeMarcus Ware

Sure, if you want to give up 175 yards rushing every game.

[Plankton]

Can't have enough pass rushers. If Quinn is there, you don't even think twice about it - turn in the card.

[btcutter]

Can't have enough pass rushers. If Quinn is there, you don't even think twice about it - turn in the card.

Absolutely. Just rotate those guys in fresh to rush the passer like the G men did when they won the SB. Only need to rush 4 and drop 7 to cover.

D wins Championships!

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Quinn is a DE/OLB. So is Spencer. Could one of them play OLB and the other play DE? Say, a front 7 like this:

DE - Marcus Spears
NT - Jay Ratliff
DE - Robert Quinn

OLB - Anthony Spencer
ILB - Bradie James
ILB - Sean Lee
OLB - DeMarcus Ware



LOL LMFAO - Quinn as a 3-4 DE :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh2:

[realtick]

If Quinn is the best player on the board the Cowboys should select him and not even think twice about it.

Anthony Spencer should not be the reason you bypass a prospect like Robert Quinn.

A lot of folks look at roster/depth chart sort of like it's 2D, in other words simply like a roster are just names on paper. That's why they say things like "hey, we got player X here, so we got that covered...no need to get player Y"

You have to add the other dimension: reality

Meaning unforseen things like injuries.

Seriously, we've been fortunate that DeMarcus Ware has been relatively injury-free his entire career (not missing major time). Ask yourself this. What if Ware or Spencer were to go down for significant time? As it stands now, all you have are Victor Butler and Brandon Williams behind them. I don't think either one of those players are ready to be counted on in extended duty, let alone entire stretches of games.

[acer941]

If Quinn is the best player on the board the Cowboys should select him and not even think twice about it.

Anthony Spencer should not be the reason you bypass a prospect like Robert Quinn.

A lot of folks look at roster/depth chart sort of like it's 2D, in other words simply like a roster are just names on paper. That's why they say things like "hey, we got player X here, so we got that covered...no need to get player Y"

You have to add the other dimension: reality

Meaning unforseen things like injuries.

Seriously, we've been fortunate that DeMarcus Ware has been relatively injury-free his entire career (not missing major time). Ask yourself this. What if Ware or Spencer were to go down for significant time? As it stands now, all you have are Victor Butler and Brandon Williams behind them. I don't think either one of those players are ready to be counted on in extended duty, let alone entire stretches of games.

Victor Butler actually played pretty good in relief of Spencer or Ware.

If we do Draft Quinn then hopefully we can get a mid to low 2nd or a high 3rd for spencer.

[TheCount]

Victor Butler actually played pretty good in relief of Spencer or Ware.

If we do Draft Quinn then hopefully we can get a mid to low 2nd or a high 3rd for spencer.

Butler played just okay. He played more than most people realize, he just didn't do much when he got his opportunities.

[realtick]

Victor Butler actually played pretty good in relief of Spencer or Ware.

If we do Draft Quinn then hopefully we can get a mid to low 2nd or a high 3rd for spencer.

I like Butler, but you have to put his production into perspective. Butler typically comes in as a designated rusher on obvious pass rushing downs.

Should an injury happen and you have Butler playing three downs for the entire game for weeks on end, I think you'll see a lot of the warts come out.

Spencer has about 20 lbs on Butler and is much more of a run defender.

[Nightshade]

Quinn is a DE/OLB. So is Spencer. Could one of them play OLB and the other play DE? Say, a front 7 like this:

DE - Marcus Spears
NT - Jay Ratliff
DE - Robert Quinn

OLB - Anthony Spencer
ILB - Bradie James
ILB - Sean Lee
OLB - DeMarcus Ware

DE's in a 3-4 are primarily responsible for holding up the O-linemen so the linebackers can flow to the ball. They also have to take on alot of double teams from the Guard and Tackle. Quinn and Spence are more quick/fast speed guys. They aren't big enough or powerful enough to be sound at the 3-4 DE position.

[natesboys051]

Absolutely. Just rotate those guys in fresh to rush the passer like the G men did when they won the SB. Only need to rush 4 and drop 7 to cover.

D wins Championships!


That's the answer......rotate them like we did in 1992-95 timeframe (and what the G-men and other good teams will do nowadays).

[natesboys051]

DE's in a 3-4 are primarily responsible for holding up the O-linemen so the linebackers can flow to the ball. They also have to take on alot of double teams from the Guard and Tackle. Quinn and Spence are more quick/fast speed guys. They aren't big enough or powerful enough to be sound at the 3-4 DE position.

Most scouts think Quinn has a body type like Julius Peppers. He's already a ****-strong bull at 266lbs...imagine him putting on a few pounds. He'll be a monster and could play as a 5 technique DE in our 3-4 defensive scheme. Rob would love a monster like Quinn.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Most scouts think Quinn has a body type like Julius Peppers. He's already a ****-strong bull at 266lbs...imagine him putting on a few pounds. He'll be a monster and could play as a 5 technique DE in our 3-4 defensive scheme. Rob would love a monster like Quinn.


Thatd be a total waste IMO.

I love the idea of Quinn on one edge, Ware on the other, and w/ some pressure up the middle. Engulfing pressure

[Dash28]

This makes me think that Cam Newton or Fairly might be the best players on the board then. I rather get Cam Newton or trade the pick off to someone else instead of giving Redskins the option to get him if the Cowboys not going to draft him.
Just stop, we're not taking Cam at 9.

:lmao2:

[realtick]

There are a lot of folks on this board that will disagree, but I wouldn't touch Von Miller in the first 20-25 picks.

He's vastly overrated as a 6'2.5" 237 lb pass rusher.

He doesn't have any clear position in the NFL where he can step-in immediately as a fulltime starter. He may contibute as a pass rush specialist, but then you have to ask yourself, do you want to invest that high a pick (Top 15ish) for a part-time player?

He had one responsibility at A&M, rushing the QB. If you've watched his games/film you'll notice Miller has a very limited repitiore of pass rush moves. An outside speed-rush is effectively his only move. He's not a physical player by any stretch (ala 6'0" 242 James Harrison) and he was rarely called to cover backs or TEs outside of zone responsibilities at A&M.

Is he a bust? I won't go that far, as it remains to be seen how he takes to coaching and develops. The Senior Bowl practices/game may give a little insight.

What I am sure about is that he will not be a Day 1 type of contributor for a team that may need lean on him for production early in his career. IMO he may best be suited OLB in a 4-3.

[respectdatstar]

DE's in a 3-4 are primarily responsible for holding up the O-linemen so the linebackers can flow to the ball. They also have to take on alot of double teams from the Guard and Tackle. Quinn and Spence are more quick/fast speed guys. They aren't big enough or powerful enough to be sound at the 3-4 DE position.

Thank you for explaining. I do think that players like Quinn and Spencer could bulk up, increase their strength and be able to fill the position of a 34DE. The only thing that sucks there is, when you bulk up, you tend to lose speed.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If there is a case where Dallas has these two guys on their wish list. Have them both graded the same. Can not find a partner to trade up or down to take someone else, do not have any other similarly graded players at a need position...in other words if it came down to them having to draft one of the two...

I believe Robert Quinn would be the better player.

[Sam I Am]

Wow. It's crazy. Some of these people think 4-3 DEs or 3-4 OLBs can be 3-4 DEs. :banghead:

[Sam I Am]

Thank you for explaining. I do think that players like Quinn and Spencer could bulk up, increase their strength and be able to fill the position of a 34DE. The only thing that sucks there is, when you bulk up, you tend to lose speed.

You realize you are asking Spencer to add 40-45lbs? (ie, be in the 300lb+ range) He isn't just going to lose a little speed. He could probably add 15lbs and switch to 4-3 DE, but he already doesn't seem to have the speed to turn the corner at 260lb consistently so he probably wouldn't be an effective 4-3 pass rushing DE either.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The thing that worries me about Quinn is where and how he picked up a lot of his production. If you look at his games, he got a lot of his stats against weaker teams on the schedule. He's also got some off the field issues. A lot of the scouts say that he's more of a pass rusher then run defender. IDK. He's got talent, of that there is no question.

I don't love Miller.

[respectdatstar]

You realize you are asking Spencer to add 40-45lbs? (ie, be in the 300lb+ range) He isn't just going to lose a little speed. He could probably add 15lbs and switch to 4-3 DE, but he already doesn't seem to have the speed to turn the corner at 260lb consistently so he probably wouldn't be an effective 4-3 pass rushing DE either.

True. It would be much better to just find somebody that fit the bill there. I've just been experimenting with how we utilize the players we currently have.

[ABQCOWBOY]

True. It would be much better to just find somebody that fit the bill there. I've just been experimenting with how we utilize the players we currently have.

I always thought that he might be able to play ILB. Bradies spot. He's pretty good against the run. He would have to learn the position. IDK. Might be a guy you trade to a 43 team if you decided to go in another direction at ROLB.

[realtick]

The thing that worries me about Quinn is where and how he picked up a lot of his production. If you look at his games, he got a lot of his stats against weaker teams on the schedule. He's also got some off the field issues. A lot of the scouts say that he's more of a pass rusher then run defender. IDK. He's got talent, of that there is no question.

I don't love Miller.

The same thing could be said about DeMarcus Ware at Troy. In fact, I would venture to say the opponents Quinn played at UNC were on the level a whole lot better than what Troy consistently faced.

JMO

[RESIN8]

The same thing could be said about DeMarcus Ware at Troy. In fact, I would venture to say the opponents Quinn played at UNC were on the level a whole lot better than what Troy consistently faced.

JMO


Ummm the ACC was pretty terrible this year. I mean the conference winner lost to James Madison?

[realtick]

Ummm the ACC was pretty terrible this year. I mean the conference winner lost to James Madison?

Umm, Quinn didn't play this past season.

Besides, are we really saying on any given year that the following football teams are better than ACC teams?

Arkansas Univ. at Little Rock
Arkansas State
Univ. of Denver
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Univ. of Louisiana at Lafayette
Univ. of Louisiana at Monroe
Middle Tennessee State
North Texas
Univ. of South Alabama
Western Kentucky Univ.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The same thing could be said about DeMarcus Ware at Troy. In fact, I would venture to say the opponents Quinn played at UNC were on the level a whole lot better than what Troy consistently faced.

JMO


The same could be said about a lot of players and the same has been said about a lot of players. Most of those players turned out to be nothing near Ware. I don't think it's a great idea to compare Ware to players. I'd say he is the exception in a lot of ways.

I don't have Ware's game stats but I do have Quinn's.

If you look at his sacks, here is what you see.

2009 -11 Sacks:

1 vs Citadel
2 vs East Carolina
3 vs Virginia
1 vs Georgia Southern
3 vs Duke
1 vs Boston College

None vs UConn, GTech, FSU, VTech, Miami or NCSt.

2008 - 2 Sacks:

1 vs VTech
1 vs Duke

None vs McNeese St., Rutgers, Miami, UConn, ND, Virginia, BC, GTech, Maryland or NCSt.

Quinn has also had off field issues. Ware never did.

I'm not saying Quinn isn't talented. I'm saying the sack numbers he generated in 2009 did not come against teams I would consider real good talent.

[btcutter]

I put my money on Quinn not going in the top 10 simply because he didn't play at all last year and have some off the field issues.

Can anyone name one player drafted in the top 10 who have NOT played a single down the previous year??

Dez is an amazing talent with off field issues and he dropped like a rock.

Miller is 235 lbs OLB in 3-4? Kind of light? Again, not sure if he's top 10 material.

[realtick]

The same could be said about a lot of players and the same has been said about a lot of players. Most of those players turned out to be nothing near Ware. I don't think it's a great idea to compare Ware to players. I'd say he is the exception in a lot of ways.

I don't have Ware's game stats but I do have Quinn's.

If you look at his sacks, here is what you see.

2009 -11 Sacks:

1 vs Citadel
2 vs East Carolina
3 vs Virginia
1 vs Georgia Southern
3 vs Duke
1 vs Boston College

None vs UConn, GTech, FSU, VTech, Miami or NCSt.

2008 - 2 Sacks:

1 vs VTech
1 vs Duke

None vs McNeese St., Rutgers, Miami, UConn, ND, Virginia, BC, GTech, Maryland or NCSt.

Quinn has also had off field issues. Ware never did.

I'm not saying Quinn isn't talented. I'm saying the sack numbers he generated in 2009 did not come against teams I would consider real good talent.

Lol, okay, we'll I guess we can't talk about DeMarcus Ware...:confused:

Quinn is a talent, and the fact he didn't register sacks in every single game doesn't bother me a bit.

At this point it's just nitpicking.

[realtick]

I put my money on Quinn not going in the top 10 simply because he didn't play at all last year and have some off the field issues.

Can anyone name one player drafted in the top 10 who have NOT played a single down the previous year??

Dez is an amazing talent with off field issues and he dropped like a rock.

Miller is 235 lbs OLB in 3-4? Kind of light? Again, not sure if he's top 10 material.

Mike Williams WR USC 2005

[btcutter]

Mike Williams WR USC 2005

You got me....but he sucks.

[realtick]

You got me....but he sucks.

That wasn't the question ;)

[Avery]

I like Miller, but not in a 3-4. Quinn would win by default.

[RESIN8]

Umm, Quinn didn't play this past season.

Besides, are we really saying on any given year that the following football teams are better than ACC teams?

Arkansas Univ. at Little Rock
Arkansas State
Univ. of Denver
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Univ. of Louisiana at Lafayette
Univ. of Louisiana at Monroe
Middle Tennessee State
North Texas
Univ. of South Alabama
Western Kentucky Univ.

Big deal. A mid major QB is about to have a real say in a 3rd ring. And well that franchise had a mid major win 4 SB's. What's your point?

[realtick]

Big deal. A mid major QB is about to have a real say in a 3rd ring. And well that franchise had a mid major win 4 SB's. What's your point?

Lol, and what's your point?

Terrific, you cherry-picked a player from Miami of Ohio.

Problem is it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Why don't you bring up Miles Austin from Monmouth to completely muddle up the discussion as well?

We're talking about conferences and the level of competition, not individual players.

Answer the question, on the whole, is the Sun Belt Conference put out more talented teams than the ACC?

Thanks for playing.

[RESIN8]

Lol, and what's your point?

Terrific, you cherry-picked a player from Miami of Ohio.

Problem is it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Why don't you bring up Miles Austin from Monmouth to completely muddle up the discussion as well?

We're talking about conferences and the level of competition, not individual players.

Answer the question, on the whole, is the Sun Belt Conference put out more talented teams than the ACC?

Thanks for playing. So taking a prospect because of what? conference he played for makes sense?

Where did Jerry Rice come from? SEC?
Sweetness? Big 8?
Oh and Rice running mate John Taylor?
Charles Haley.

Ya I could run big time on that issue. You play the name brands, which is funny because your SJSU thing.

If your sole issue is to say the acc is better then the sun belt? granted. If that is a reason to pick and choose, well.....crickets

[realtick]

So taking a prospect because of what? conference he played for makes sense?

Where did Jerry Rice come from? SEC?
Sweetness? Big 8?
Oh and Rice running mate John Taylor?
Charles Haley.

Ya I could run big time on that issue. You play the name brands, which is funny because your SJSU thing.

If your sole issue is to say the acc is better then the sun belt? granted. If that is a reason to pick and choose, well.....crickets

Lol, you know what doesn't make sense? You jumping into a conversation and making obscure points that are completely unrelated to the original issue.

But predictably, I'm sure you'll realize this and continue to argue out of pure stuborness.

ABQ said he was concerned about Robert Quinn's picking up some of his sacks against "weaker" teams on the schedule.

I contended that Quinn faced good competition in the ACC on the whole. I furthered that point by highlighting the fact DeMarcus Ware was a bonified player despite racking up sacks in a predominantly weaker level of competition (Sun Belt Conference).

This is about where you jumped in with unrelated nonsense (and continue to).

Now please tell me what beef you have with anything I just stated above?

"if your sole issue is to say the acc is better than the sun belt? Granted."

Yeah, that is the issue genius.

Thanks for playing.

[RESIN8]

Lol, you know what doesn't make sense? You jumping into a conversation and making obscure points that are completely unrelated to the original issue.

But predictably, I'm sure you'll realize this and continue to argue out of pure stuborness.

ABQ said he was concerned about Robert Quinn's picking up some of his sacks against "weaker" teams on the schedule.

I contended that Quinn faced good competition in the ACC on the whole. I furthered that point by highlighting the fact DeMarcus Ware was a bonified player despite racking up sacks in a predominantly weaker level of competition (Sun Belt Conference).

This is about where you jumped in with unrelated nonsense (and continue to).

Now please tell me what beef you have with anything I just stated above?

"if your sole issue is to say the acc is better than the sun belt? Granted."

Yeah, that is the issue genius.

Thanks for playing.

And I basically said that the ACC sucks. Put them against, well... the WAC or better yet.... The MWC and well..... ACC was like the rest of them. A mid major, stick to basketball..

[realtick]

And I basically said that the ACC sucks. Put them against, well... the WAC or better yet.... The MWC and well..... ACC was like the rest of them. A mid major, stick to basketball..

"[...] making obscure points that are completely unrelated to the original issue. But predictably, I'm sure you'll realize this and continue to argue out of pure stuborness."


Game, set, match...

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol, okay, we'll I guess we can't talk about DeMarcus Ware...:confused:

Quinn is a talent, and the fact he didn't register sacks in every single game doesn't bother me a bit.

At this point it's just nitpicking.

You can talk about Ware all you like. I just would not compare this guy to Ware. If you want to make that comparison, feel free.

Time will tell for Quinn.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol, you know what doesn't make sense? You jumping into a conversation and making obscure points that are completely unrelated to the original issue.

But predictably, I'm sure you'll realize this and continue to argue out of pure stuborness.

ABQ said he was concerned about Robert Quinn's picking up some of his sacks against "weaker" teams on the schedule.

I contended that Quinn faced good competition in the ACC on the whole. I furthered that point by highlighting the fact DeMarcus Ware was a bonified player despite racking up sacks in a predominantly weaker level of competition (Sun Belt Conference).

This is about where you jumped in with unrelated nonsense (and continue to).

Now please tell me what beef you have with anything I just stated above?

"if your sole issue is to say the acc is better than the sun belt? Granted."

Yeah, that is the issue genius.

Thanks for playing.

I can live with your contention that Quinn has talent. I think he does. Not certain why you would fail to acknowledge that. However, the ACC is not a good conference, top to bottom in football and hasn't been since Quinn got to the ACC.

Something else that has not been mentioned is the fact that while at Troy, Ware may have been playing against inferior talent but he was also playing with inferior talent. UNC has a lot of talent and has had talent these past few years. They are one of the more talented teams in the ACC. I think that's a difference between the two.

I don't see Quinn as another Ware.

[Marktui]

No trading back please!! Quinn, Miller or Jordan would be great picks. Jordan has been pretty impressive in the Senior Bowl workouts.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Two Players stats. Which one is which?


1st player:

DE 6'5 258 lbs. Projected 40 4.69

1st Year:
G-GS 13-11, Tkls 64, Solo 46, TFL 19, Sks 11.5, PBU 5, FF 1,

2nd Year:
G-GS 10-10, Tkls 48, Solo 34, TFL 10, Sks 5.5, PBU 2, FF 1, INT 1.

Totals:
G-GS 23-21, Tkls 112, Solo 80, TFL 29, Sks 17, PBU 7, FF 2, INT 1.



2nd Player:

DE 6'5 268 lbs. Projected 40 4.64

1st Year:
G-GS 13-13, Tkls 34, Solo 22, TFL 6.5, Sks 2, PBU 1, FF 2, INT 0

2nd Year:
G-GS 13-11, Tkls 52, Solo 35, TFL 19, Sks 11, PBU 3, FF 2, INT 0

Totals:
G-GS 26-24, Tkls, 86, Solo 57, TFL 25.5, Sks 13, PBU 4, FF 4, INT 0

[Sam I Am]

Two Players stats. Which one is which?


1st player:

DE 6'5 258 lbs. Projected 40 4.69

1st Year:
G-GS 13-11, Tkls 64, Solo 46, TFL 19, Sks 11.5, PBU 5, FF 1,

2nd Year:
G-GS 10-10, Tkls 48, Solo 34, TFL 10, Sks 5.5, PBU 2, FF 1, INT 1.

Totals:
G-GS 23-21, Tkls 112, Solo 80, TFL 29, Sks 17, PBU 7, FF 2, INT 1.



2nd Player:

DE 6'5 268 lbs. Projected 40 4.64

1st Year:
G-GS 13-13, Tkls 34, Solo 22, TFL 6.5, Sks 2, PBU 1, FF 2, INT 0

2nd Year:
G-GS 13-11, Tkls 52, Solo 35, TFL 19, Sks 11, PBU 3, FF 2, INT 0

Totals:
G-GS 26-24, Tkls, 86, Solo 57, TFL 25.5, Sks 13, PBU 4, FF 4, INT 0

I wouldn't answer this without seeing the player. Stats can be deceiving. Especially in college.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I wouldn't answer this without seeing the player. Stats can be deceiving. Especially in college.


One is Quinn. The other is Smith from Missouri, who played in the Big 12.

[realtick]

You can talk about Ware all you like. I just would not compare this guy to Ware. If you want to make that comparison, feel free.

Time will tell for Quinn.

There is a difference between comparing and simply using another person (Ware) as a reference.

I've made no claims that Quinn is the next Ware.

[rash]

Spencer has about 20 lbs on Butler and is much more of a run defender.

Maybe thats cause cause he bites on the run EVERY single time.

If I got a dollar for every time Spencer collapsed on his edge off of playaction, I would have a Benjamin or 2

[realtick]

I can live with your contention that Quinn has talent. I think he does. Not certain why you would fail to acknowledge that. However, the ACC is not a good conference, top to bottom in football and hasn't been since Quinn got to the ACC.

Something else that has not been mentioned is the fact that while at Troy, Ware may have been playing against inferior talent but he was also playing with inferior talent. UNC has a lot of talent and has had talent these past few years. They are one of the more talented teams in the ACC. I think that's a difference between the two.

I don't see Quinn as another Ware.

ABQ, you're missing the point entirely.

I've never said the Quinn is the next Ware. I simply used Ware as a reference for a player who played/produced against typically lesser talented teams and still succeeded in the NFL.

The point is just because Robert Quinn racked up some stats against schools like The Citadel, it doesn't mean that he won't be a successful pass-rusher in the NFL.

I could use another player if you would like. How about Suh from Nebraska?

In 2008, Suh didn't register a sack against San Jose State or Western Michigan. Should we have viewed that as an indicator that he wouldn't be able to play in the NFL?

And just to be clear, so I don't any ridiculous replies:

DeMarcus Ware > Quinn
Ndamukong Suh > Quinn
Quinn = good pass rushing prospect

[ABQCOWBOY]

There is a difference between comparing and simply using another person (Ware) as a reference.

I've made no claims that Quinn is the next Ware.


Hey, no reason to explain why you introduce Ware into this discussion to me. I don't believe there is a Ware in this draft. What ever you want to do.