I don't want Ferguson or Henry.

[dragon_mikal]

I'd rather have Pat Williams and Lucas, especially if we are going to a 3-4. Now, if we stay with the 4-3 the Ferguson signing isn't so bad because he will be taking pressure off of Glover. If we can find a decent pass rushing end to replace Wiley than our defensive line would be much improved.

But why Henry? I don't even know about this guy. Is he any good? If we can seriously upgrade our front seven than it isn't as big a deal, but is Henry as good as Lucas?

[SDogo]

You just can't please some people.

[mbanx]

I am grateful as all get out if this pans out

[Doomsday101]

I'd rather have Pat Williams and Lucas, especially if we are going to a 3-4. Now, if we stay with the 4-3 the Ferguson signing isn't so bad because he will be taking pressure off of Glover. If we can find a decent pass rushing end to replace Wiley than our defensive line would be much improved.

But why Henry? I don't even know about this guy. Is he any good? If we can seriously upgrade our front seven than it isn't as big a deal, but is Henry as good as Lucas?

Henry is was a good move on the Cowboys part only 4 years in the league 17 ints in that time and has good size. I also like Ferguson better than williams who is 2 years older than Ferguson.

[TheSkaven]

But why Henry? I don't even know about this guy. Is he any good?
You tell me, only in the league four years (young), 10 picks his rookie season alone, and the best player on the Cleveland defense. Pair this guy with Newman and Roy Williams and the secondary is easily top 5 in the league.

[dragon_mikal]

You just can't please some people.

What? I'm glad that we are signing people, but we are looking for upgrades, no? If we go to a 3-4 Ferguson will not be able to hold the point. Sorry if that bursts your bubble.

And Henry played on a horrible Cleveland team, no? Why don't you answer my questions instead of being a **** about it.

[jsond]

But why Henry?

I don't pretend to know much about Henry. He sounds like a decent addition and I am fine with that. I would love all the big names too but we have to spend smart. If CB Baxter turned down a 12mil signing bonus then I think it is a good idea to get a 2nd tier CB w/o overspending. Obviously its all specualtion but if Henry does sign and for the amount that has been mentioned on this board I will be very happy.

I think Pat Williams is a knotch above Ferguson but I would be ecstatic to have either of them. If they sign both Ferg and Henry I think we have taken a huge step to improving our overall D and still should have some money left to get some underrated guys and the one I want is DE Chike Okeafor but as long as they spend wisely I will be happy.

[lkelly]

But why Henry? I don't even know about this guy. Is he any good?

If you don't know anything about him, how have you formed enough of an opinion to state that you don't want him?

[dragon_mikal]

You tell me, only in the league four years (young), 10 picks his rookie season alone, and the best player on the Cleveland defense. Pair this guy with Newman and Roy Williams and the secondary is easily top 5 in the league.

10 picks his rookie season alone? Wow. Still young, too. I feel better about the signing if it does happen, now. Thanks. :)

[Portland Fanatic]

I'd rather have Pat Williams and Lucas, especially if we are going to a 3-4. Now, if we stay with the 4-3 the Ferguson signing isn't so bad because he will be taking pressure off of Glover. If we can find a decent pass rushing end to replace Wiley than our defensive line would be much improved.

But why Henry? I don't even know about this guy. Is he any good? If we can seriously upgrade our front seven than it isn't as big a deal, but is Henry as good as Lucas?

Henry...10 pics as rookie...best DB on Browns backfield for last two years. Browns have one of the top backfields the last couple years mainly because of this kid. He has not stayed on one side because they use him to mirror the best recievers they face. Fans are saying if he can stay on one side he is a lockdown DB and is just hitting his prime.

Ferguson...two years younger then Williams and a great run stuffer. Can play both 4-3 and 3-4 easily. I'd be happy with either one, but age goes to Fergi...I like both ALOT!!!

[Avery]

We still could go after those guys, who knows. Probably not Pat but Baxter is still an option though he's going to cost bank. He already turned down a $10 mil signing bonus with the Ravens to explore his options.

[blindzebra]

What? I'm glad that we are signing people, but we are looking for upgrades, no? If we go to a 3-4 Ferguson will not be able to hold the point. Sorry if that bursts your bubble.

And Henry played on a horrible Cleveland team, no? Why don't you answer my questions instead of being a **** about it.

Who said we ARE GOING TO THE 3/4?

Jerry said, what we do in FA and the draft will tell what our base D will be.

We are staying with the 4-3, and throwing in some 3-4 looks.

Ferguson and Henry are a HUGE upgrade.

[Portland Fanatic]

What? I'm glad that we are signing people, but we are looking for upgrades, no? If we go to a 3-4 Ferguson will not be able to hold the point. Sorry if that bursts your bubble.

And Henry played on a horrible Cleveland team, no? Why don't you answer my questions instead of being a **** about it.

Parcell's drafted Fergi to play 3-4 NT...you are wrong! He already has experience in 3-4 as NT. You don't have to be 350 to be good. He's fine...great run stuffer.

Before you make general comments about Henry...go do some research on the kid...Browns have sucked...YES...one of their bright spots has been their DB's...mainly Henry!

[Chocolate Lab]

If you don't know anything about him, how have you formed enough of an opinion to state that you don't want him?
Exactly what I was going to say. Wanting only the biggest name "star" players is Snyder-think.

A lot of these players are comparable enough to be six of one, half a dozen of another... I couldn't be happier with Ferguson and Henry. :D

[dragon_mikal]

Who said we ARE GOING TO THE 3/4?

Jerry said, what we do in FA and the draft will tell what our base D will be.

We are staying with the 4-3, and throwing in some 3-4 looks.

Ferguson and Henry are a HUGE upgrade.

I agree that we will probably stay with the 4-3, that is why I stated that the Ferguson signing was ok if we stuck with the 4-3. I'm liking the Henry signing now that I know a little about him.

I agree that our defensive line will be much improved next season if we can find a pass rushing end to replace Wiley.

[Alexander]

Exactly what I was going to say. Wanting only the biggest name "star" players is Snyder-think.

A lot of these players are comparable enough to be six of one, half a dozen of another... I couldn't be happier with Ferguson and Henry. :D

For right now, you cannot deny these are good signings.

Then if they tank later in the season there is sure to be some joker walking around saying he told everybody so.

[dragon_mikal]

Exactly what I was going to say. Wanting only the biggest name "star" players is Snyder-think.

A lot of these players are comparable enough to be six of one, half a dozen of another... I couldn't be happier with Ferguson and Henry. :D

Since when is Lucas a "star" player? I asked for those who know about Henry to give me some specifics. To those who did, thank you.

[Crown Royal]

I personally prefer Williams if we are committing to the 3-4 exclusively. However, I don't think that is int he plans, rather we will play a little of this, a little of that. Ferguson is more versatile than Williams, and can play more than one gap....therefore I like this signing.

As for Henry - basically he is one of the cheaper DBs in FA right now and, the way CBs are right now, the less of a risk. If the contract rumors are true, we are paying him #2 CB money to be a #2 CB, rather than paying #1 CB money to Lucas/Smoort to be a #2 CB.

[dragon_mikal]

For right now, you cannot deny these are good signings.

Then if they tank later in the season there is sure to be some joker walking around saying he told everybody so.

I admit that the Henry signing is a good one, now that I know about him. He is an upgrade over anything we have now, I just wanted to know how much of an upgrade.

I still have my doubts about the Ferguson deal. I feel that he can make an impact if the talent around him is good enough. Glover and Ellis are already solid, so like I said before...if we can find a good pass rushing DE to replace Wiley the signing will be a good one.

[dragon_mikal]

I personally prefer Williams if we are committing to the 3-4 exclusively. However, I don't think that is int he plans, rather we will play a little of this, a little of that. Ferguson is more versatile than Williams, and can play more than one gap....therefore I like this signing.

As for Henry - basically he is one of the cheaper DBs in FA right now and, the way CBs are right now, the less of a risk. If the contract rumors are true, we are paying him #2 CB money to be a #2 CB, rather than paying #1 CB money to Lucas/Smoort to be a #2 CB.

Seeing the contract details would be nice, that's for sure.

[jman]

What? I'm glad that we are signing people, but we are looking for upgrades, no? If we go to a 3-4 Ferguson will not be able to hold the point. Sorry if that bursts your bubble.

And Henry played on a horrible Cleveland team, no? Why don't you answer my questions instead of being a **** about it.

Yes...but using your logic, Barry Sanders and Walter Payton sucked because played on bad teams...No?

Just wrong...LOL

[Chocolate Lab]

I admit that the Henry signing is a good one, now that I know about him. He is an upgrade over anything we have now, I just wanted to know how much of an upgrade.

Just my opinion, but I think he is right there with Lucas and Rolle. I'd rather we got him than Smoot or Baxter without question. And considering that he'll probably be cheaper, he's likely to be the #1 value there.

[BlueStar22]

I'm still trying to understand the love affair with lucas. What has made him so great? Worthy of 10-15 million dollar signing bonus?

[luvtheboys]

I'm just glad that BP is buying the groceries he wants instead of waiting around to see what goes on sale next month. :)

[Hollywood Henderson]

OK, I will say....Were going 3-4!
:cool:
Dragon:
Henry has impressive size (For a CB) 6-1 205 and play making ability and is well known by Todd Bowles who was the Browns DB coach and now the new Cowboys DB coach...

I like Fergy over Williams because Fergy is more relentless and younger...

[jacs]

I'd rather have Pat Williams and Lucas, especially if we are going to a 3-4. Now, if we stay with the 4-3 the Ferguson signing isn't so bad because he will be taking pressure off of Glover. If we can find a decent pass rushing end to replace Wiley than our defensive line would be much improved.

But why Henry? I don't even know about this guy. Is he any good? If we can seriously upgrade our front seven than it isn't as big a deal, but is Henry as good as Lucas?

well the good thing is that it's about what you want.

[ndanger]

Parcell's drafted Fergi to play 3-4 NT...you are wrong! He already has experience in 3-4 as NT. You don't have to be 350 to be good. He's fine...great run stuffer.

Before you make general comments about Henry...go do some research on the kid...Browns have sucked...YES...one of their bright spots has been their DB's...mainly Henry!
Thank you!! :cool:

[ndanger]

If you don't know anything about him, how have you formed enough of an opinion to state that you don't want him?
Thank you too!! :cool:

[TheSkaven]

Who said we ARE GOING TO THE 3/4?
The writing is on the wall. If you're staying 4-3, you keep Coakley and sign a defensive end. Instead, this team cuts Coakley to save $2 mil under the cap (they were already $16mil under) and signs Ferguson who is the classic 3-4 nose tackle. They're 80% there, if they sign another big body at linebacker there won't be many 4-3 looks.

[blindzebra]

The writing is on the wall. If you're staying 4-3, you keep Coakley and sign a defensive end. Instead, this team cuts Coakley to save $2 mil under the cap (they were already $16mil under) and signs Ferguson who is the classic 3-4 nose tackle. They're 80% there, if they sign another big body at linebacker there won't be many 4-3 looks.

Coakley was fighting for his job last year against James. His release has very little to do with what scheme we are running.

Ferguson has been playing which front in NY?

80%?

We have a NT, no back up NT, no PROVEN 3-4 DEs, and 1 LB that is a proven player that can play 3-4. Might want to re-figure that percentage.:rolleyes:

[conner01]

fergy has played in the 3-4 and is fine there or the 4-3.he was drafted to be a nt,as for henry just look at the production over the last 4 yrs for all 3

henry 17 ints 207 tackles 32 pass def
lucas 11 ints 227 tackles 49 pass def
smoot 16 ints 182 tackles 32 pass def
now is lucas and smoot really worth another 3 or 4 mil a year?

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you don't know anything about him, how have you formed enough of an opinion to state that you don't want him?

LOL....


My thoughts exactly.

I like Henry. I liked Lucas a little more but I like Henry. If memory serves, Henry got those 10 picks, his rookie year at FS. I could be wrong but I think that's correct. Either way, I like the guy. If Hunter works out, he can easily play FS for us. If not, I really like him as a CB opposite Newman. I just think he's a great sign.

[btcutter]

You tell me, only in the league four years (young), 10 picks his rookie season alone, and the best player on the Cleveland defense. Pair this guy with Newman and Roy Williams and the secondary is easily top 5 in the league.


Still need a ballhawk for FS to make this secondary formidable. Don't say FS is a dime a dozen because we been trying to fill it since the days of Thomas Evert and Washington. let's find a good one soon so Roy can play his natural position.

[conner01]

f.s would not surprise me if next.they are tough to come by and some of the guys i see mentioned are'nt even fs.kennedy is another roy so no help.i think they will get dwight smith to pack up his bb gun and head to dallas