ESPN's Adam Schefter, "early signs" OLB Von Miller will be a top-five pick

[johnnyd]

Added NFL Network's Mike Mayock, "He's got top-ten pass rush skills." Miller has also shown impressive cover ability at the Senior Bowl. In April, the Panthers draft first, the Broncos draft second, the Bills third, Bengals fourth, and Cardinals fifth. It's not crazy to think Miller could be drafted by Buffalo, and at this point seems unlikely he'd get by Arizona.

http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/30404567006973952#


I was hoping he would be there at 9 still could be but would probably have to have a bad combine or get hurt in between . Ware and Miller would be a lethal combo. Flip spencer to texans for a pick.

[CATCH17]

He's not going top 5. Dude is built like a receiver.

[TheFinisher]

CAR- Nick Fairley
DEN- Da'Quan Bowers
BUF- Robert Quinn
CIN- A.J. Green
ARI- Von Miller
CLE- Marcell Dareus
SF- Jake Locker
TEN- Blaine Gabbert
DAL- Patrick Peterson???????????

:pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

[johnnyd]

CAR- Nick Fairley
DEN- Da'Quan Bowers
BUF- Robert Quinn
CIN- A.J. Green
ARI- Von Miller
CLE- Marcell Dareus
SF- Jake Locker
TEN- Blaine Gabbert
DAL- Patrick Peterson???????????

:pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

lol i would rather pave PP myself but i assume he wont be there

[TheRat]

He's not going top 5. Dude is built like a receiver.
No he isn't. He is built more like a 4-3 OLB.

[TheCount]

lol, I love how they totally clipped off the rest of Mayocks quite as well as the content. Mayock does like him though, Von has earned going before Quinn, that's for sure.

[Dash28]

He's not going top 5. Dude is built like a receiver.
Remind me again the team you scout for?

:)

[GloryDaysRBack]

Von Miller going anywhere in the top 8 would be a blessing for us

[Romo 2 Austin]

CAR- Nick Fairley
DEN- Da'Quan Bowers
BUF- Robert Quinn
CIN- A.J. Green
ARI- Von Miller
CLE- Marcell Dareus
SF- Jake Locker
TEN- Blaine Gabbert
DAL- Patrick Peterson???????????

:pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

Don't see Jake Locker going to SF.

[Teague31]

if he is so elite how did he have such a poor season. i remember it was like mid season before he got his first sack.

[GloryDaysRBack]

if he is so elite how did he have such a poor season. i remember it was like mid season before he got his first sack.

Apparently he was hurt during the start of the year...that's the excuse I'm hearing..

How could you say he had a poor year? He won the Butkus award

[unionjack8]

justin houston will be a much better player, but heh the more prospects that climb the board make it nice and easy for cam jordan to come to big D:bow: :bow: :bow:

[realtick]

Von Miller going anywhere in the top 8 would be a blessing for us

Agreed.

If I'm a team running a 34, I wouldn't touch Von Miller in the first 15-20 picks. He's best suited for a 43.

[The30YardSlant]

He's not going top 5. Dude is built like a receiver.

I'd like you to list all the NFL receivers who are 6'2", 240 pounds

I'll eagerly await your response

[Romo 2 Austin]

I'd like you to list all the NFL receivers who are 6'2", 240 pounds

I'll eagerly await your response

Mike Williams from SEA is pretty close, but hes 6'5.

[The30YardSlant]

Mike Williams from SEA is pretty close, but hes 6'5.

6'5", 235 isnt 6'2", 240

[InmanRoshi]

The thing about Miller is he played in the 3-4 at A&M under a defensive coordinator who runs Dick LeBeau's scheme. Not many college teams run pro style 3-4 defenses (although it's suddenly becoming more en vogue). So you don't have to take a college DE and try to predict to how he'll play in a 2 point stance in space for the first time in his career. It's all there on tape for Miller, and the tape has him getting 28 sacks in two years. Is he prototype size? No, but he's not exactly a midget at 6'2" 237. Clay Matthews Jr showed up at 6'3" 240 at the Combine. James Harrison is a generous 6'0 240.

[Manwiththeplan]

The thing about Miller is he played in the 3-4 at A&M under a defensive coordinator who runs Dick LeBeau's scheme. Not many college teams run pro style 3-4 defenses (although it's suddenly becoming more en vogue). So you don't have to take a college DE and try to predict to how he'll play in a 2 point stance in space for the first time in his career. It's all there on tape for Miller, and the tape has him getting 28 sacks in two years. Is he prototype size? No, but he's not exactly a midget at 6'2" 237. Clay Matthews Jr showed up at 6'3" 240 at the Combine. James Harrison is a generous 6'0 240.

Yeah, don't see why Von Miller is too small to play 3-4 OLB, if he was 6'4 or 6'5 on only weighed 240, then yeah that would be a problem (Manny Lawson). But at 6'2, hell be fine.

[realtick]

The thing about Miller is he played in the 3-4 at A&M under a defensive coordinator who runs Dick LeBeau's scheme. Not many college teams run pro style 3-4 defenses (although it's suddenly becoming more en vogue). So you don't have to take a college DE and try to predict to how he'll play in a 2 point stance in space for the first time in his career. It's all there on tape for Miller, and the tape has him getting 28 sacks in two years. Is he prototype size? No, but he's not exactly a midget at 6'2" 237. Clay Matthews Jr showed up at 6'3" 240 at the Combine. James Harrison is a generous 6'0 240.

Von Miller is nowhere near as physical a player as either Harrison or Matthews. That's the biggest aspect of his game that concerns me. Matthews played a hybrid-end at USC with his hand down at times, he was adept at fighting off of blocks and contending with OTs. Miller's game is all about speed.

[Dash28]

Von Miller is nowhere near as physical a player as either Harrison or Matthews. That's the biggest aspect of his game that concerns me.
He could call up their dealer...

[vaturkey]

Since when did he turn into a prime time talent evaluator? Yes, he's got some sources, but geez. Miller may be a great player, but I don't think in any way shape for form that he's a top 5 pick. He can't hold up at the point of attack because he will get steamrolled as an outside 3-4 linebacker. 4-3 yes, I can see him, but not on the other side of Ware for sure.

[Manwiththeplan]

Since when did he turn into a prime time talent evaluator? Yes, he's got some sources, but geez. Miller may be a great player, but I don't think in any way shape for form that he's a top 5 pick. He can't hold up at the point of attack because he will get steamrolled as an outside 3-4 linebacker. 4-3 yes, I can see him, but not on the other side of Ware for sure.

he'd play weakside for sure, so no he would not play opposite of Ware.

[CATCH17]

he'd play weakside for sure, so no he would not play opposite of Ware.

He's gotta be a ROLB in a 4-3 right?


He just looks sooooo 1 dimensional to me.

Maybe you create a position for him like Pitt did with Polamalu?

People are raving about him but if I had to play against him I'm running right at the guy.

As a 3-4 olb he'll have to take on more blocks too.

I'm just not sold on him even though I know he's a legit player vs the pass.

[Avery]

I see Miller as a better fit in a 4-3. I'm fine with him going high in the hopes it gives us more options at #9.

[realtick]

Here's a breakdown from draftinsider.net:


Von MillerTexas A&M 6'2.5" 237 lb

Monday Practice Notes: Spent most of the day at SSLB, but was not impressive working his way through all the drills.

Tuesday Practice Notes: Not a good day for a guy that’s projected to be a 3-4 OLB. Was easily controlled by blocks all day and at one point got annihilated by Luke Stocker. Showed decent skills in coverage when he had to move in reverse. Miller was brought over to the pass rush drills to showcase his talents, which were average at best.

Wednesday Practice Notes: Nice athlete; fluid with a nice degree of explosion. Gets depth on drops. Moves well in all directions. Again struggled in pass rush drills.

[Chocolate Lab]

Agree with most of the rest. Really good pass rusher, but just looks very small. It'll all depend on how much he can bulk up, but somehow his frame doesn't look like it'll hold a ton of weight to me.

[johnnyd]

I guess it depends who's reports you read but i love what rob rang had on his blog . on cbssports. He was talking about te's and then morphed into lb's.


When watching tight ends, it is nearly impossible not to also watch a team's linebackers, both in their ability to hold up against run blocking, as well as in coverage. The top linebacker on the field today was Texas A&M star Von Miller--and that's not even considering his work as a pass rusher in one-on-one drills.

Miller surprised scouts at Monday's weigh-in with his thick lower body, which he used to hold up Williams and Stocker when man-up on run plays. His coverage skills are what really stood out, though, as the quick Williams could not separate from Miller on out routes because of the former Aggie's own lateral agility and speed.

A linebacker with Miller's closing speed to the quarterback, who also can be effective in coverage, is destined for a slot in the top 20 overall selections.

http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/13682485


I know we used to run a 4-3 back in the day but i miss having speed on D.

[speedkilz88]

I hope he goes top 8 and drops someone else, because he would be a poor fit with the Cowboys.

[28 Joker]

I think he projects to Ware's spot.

If he goes that high, a player will slide.

Derek Sherrod and Miller went one on one today, and Sherrod was at RT, a little disadvantage for him. Miller won the first rep, but Sherrod adjusted and owned him on the second rep, by beating him to the outside and defeating his spin move.

[Jaxonsdaddd]

Good defensive coaches find a way to get the best players on the field. Now a terrific pass rusher and someone who would be a good cover linebacker is deemed "not a good fit"?

I guess I just dont get it

[CATCH17]

Good defensive coaches find a way to get the best players on the field. Now a terrific pass rusher and someone who would be a good cover linebacker is deemed "not a good fit"?

I guess I just dont get it


Because playing the pass is 50% of football and you need a guy @ 9 that can play 100% of the time.

[InmanRoshi]

Since when did he turn into a prime time talent evaluator? Yes, he's got some sources, but geez.

Something tells me he's not claiming to be a talent evaluator, and that this is coming from his NFL sources. Which, to me, is way more important than the opinion of some random internet pretend scout.

[Jaxonsdaddd]

Most of this thread reminds of the discussion we all were having regarding Desean Jackson. The thoughts were, "hes too small, He will always be hurt and on I.R., All a team would have to do is press him and because hes too small he wont be able to get off the line". etc, etc..

I just think special football players shouldnt be dismissed with the wave of the hand as one who "doesnt fit us".

[natesboys051]

We potentially can have an outstanding DRAFT this year if lady luck is on our side. There are some outstanding LINEMAN (OL) available in Rd's 1 thru 3. I'm not really sure about drafting Cameron Jordan at pick #9 (as some Mocks are saying). I didn't SEE much from him during this past college season. His sack totals were NOT that impressive and after watching game film on him, I still don't see a guy that can dominate at the next level and/or who's worthy of a (high) first round pick.

If we can't 'steal' Von Miller or Peterson at pick #9, however, I'd rather us slide down (for an extra 3rd Rd pick) and draft OT Gabe Carimi (whom the Eagles covet) from Wisconsin. Gabe has a nasty streak about him that we definitely need on the Cowboys offensive line. We can also grab another stud OG (Moffitt or Danny Watkins) and/or Center (BPA) that'll be available in either Rd2 or Rd3 (and second Rd3 pick from sliding down a few spots) and infuse our entire OL with young studs.

I strongly believe Rob Ryan will be pretty satisfied with current defensive players. If Brent gains a few pounds and can play the NT position, Ratliff can slide down to DE or (better yet) rotate with Brent to keep each other fresh. With Spears, Bowen, Hatcher, Igor, and young Lissemore as our DE's, we should be in pretty good shape for 2011. If we DRAFT a young stud NT (330lbs or bigger like they have on the Packers, Ravens, Jets, and Steelers rosters), Ratliff can move to DE to compete/rotate with the other five DE's on our roster. If we can't draft CB/S Peterson in RD 1, I'm sure our scouting department has one or two young fast CB's on their radar for Rd 3 or Rd 4. Regarding FS, the draft is NOT that good this year for FS prospects. Jerrah can address the FS position in Free Agency since we should play an NFL veteran at this position. And, I, personally don't believe AOA or Ball can get the job done at FS. They need to start on nickel packages and work their way into the lineup unless someone gets injured. Rds 4 thru 7 should be we look for RB and FB help since this is our year to finally get 2-3 future stud starters for the OL.

Remember in Emmitt Smith's era (3 RINGS), we had the BEST OL in the NFL.

[CATCH17]

IF you draft the guy in a 3-4 I just don't feel you can line him up @ LOLB and tell him to be a Prototypical OLB in a 3-4.



You're going to have to be creative with this guy.



Would we be willing to build schemes for this player?


If not and we want to just keep it traditional than I don't think he will be effective for us.

But if you want to let him be a Clay Matthews or Polamalu in our defense than it could definetely work.

[realtick]

Here's a pretty subjective clip of Von Miller (A&M vs. Nebraska) that shows all his snaps...good or bad

I see a average sized 43 WLB playing as a undersized 34 OLB in a 34 for A&M. I see guy who uses his speed to get up the field and around OTs at times. I also see a guy who doesn't play with much power and gets overwhelmed by blockers at times.

SkDdpgRn7Pk

[Jaxonsdaddd]

What I see watching those snaps is a guy who makes the quarterback move virtually on every passing play. If he isnt making the tackle or getting the sack his pressure is making the QB move left, right, back, up, etc..

There were a few running plays where he shot up the field leaving an area where the running back cut back to. Now if these were third and long plays where the front is coached to go get the quarterback than these plays dont look as bad. He did get blocked on some plays in all fairness but thats football.

I do see an impac/pressure player here in any regard.

[CATCH17]

What I see watching those snaps is a guy who makes the quarterback move virtually on every passing play. If he isnt making the tackle or getting the sack his pressure is making the QB move left, right, back, up, etc..

There were a few running plays where he shot up the field leaving an area where the running back cut back to. Now if these were third and long plays where the front is coached to go get the quarterback than these plays dont look as bad. He did get blocked on some plays in all fairness but thats football.

I do see an impac/pressure player here in any regard.


Agreed but I just don't think he is a player you plug in @ LOLB.

You have to take the Polamalu route with this guy and just tell him to go be disruptive in a 3-4 imo.

[Tobal]

You know he held the edge on those run plays and that's what his job is, he looks small but he stood the tackle up on those run plays, and he's very active. That's a quick QB he's playing against, he took an inside rush more times in that game than Ware does all season. He just looks so damn small, but he didn't play that way.

[TheCount]

Here's a pretty subjective clip of Von Miller (A&M vs. Nebraska) that shows all his snaps...good or bad

I see a average sized 43 WLB playing as a undersized 34 OLB in a 34 for A&M. I see guy who uses his speed to get up the field and around OTs at times. I also see a guy who doesn't play with much power and gets overwhelmed by blockers at times.

SkDdpgRn7Pk

Interesting that, that's what you saw. I thought he looked very good in the vast majority of those plays and I thought he held his ground very well, especially for his size.

I even saw him take on a few double teams and not get eliminated from the play, he certainly never gave up on a play because he met resistance. He was active, chasing down plays from the back side, looked decent when he dropped back and picked his way through trash very well.

There were certainly plays where he guessed wrong, especially the play where he shot inside and the run got bounced outside, but overall if I was grading him based on that "tape", I'd say he graded very well.

I certainly agree he doesn't play with much power, but I think he held up to the power play of his opponents pretty darn well.

I think his talents would be pretty much a waste at 4-3 OLB, and he's too small to play 4-3 DE.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Here's a breakdown from draftinsider.net:


Von MillerTexas A&M 6'2.5" 237 lb

Monday Practice Notes: Spent most of the day at SSLB, but was not impressive working his way through all the drills.

Tuesday Practice Notes: Not a good day for a guy that’s projected to be a 3-4 OLB. Was easily controlled by blocks all day and at one point got annihilated by Luke Stocker. Showed decent skills in coverage when he had to move in reverse. Miller was brought over to the pass rush drills to showcase his talents, which were average at best.

Wednesday Practice Notes: Nice athlete; fluid with a nice degree of explosion. Gets depth on drops. Moves well in all directions. Again struggled in pass rush drills.



From Optimumscouting.com

(Wednesday notes): I got a chance to really watch Von Miller much of the day, and he showed why I feel he's a Top 10 draft pick in this draft class and the best prospect in Mobile. He's noticeably quicker than every linebacker or defensive lineman here, and his explosion laterally and his quick feet have really impressed. Plus, he looked like he had tons of experience dropping in coverage...

Derek Sherrod did get beat by Von Miller twice in a row, one with an outside rush and one with a devestating inside move...


From draftcountdown.com:

(Tuesday notes): Texas A&M OLB Von Miller had an above average day as a whole. In 11-on-11’s, Miller did a very good job of going sideline-to-sideline and sniffing out runners. Miller did have some trouble in coverage against the tight ends though. Miller worked through traffic much better than anticipated.


Do you see why you can't rust what a draft website says?


Personally, I think with his versatility, Ryan would have lots of fun with him. He needs to be put with a creative coordinator. He isn't a 3 down OLB.

[Manwiththeplan]

Wasn't Demarcus Ware 6'4 240 or something like that at the senior bowl? Wasn't his only move at that time a speed rush?

I know at 6'4, odds were that Ware could add significant weight (like 20 lbs), were Von Miller may be 10-15 max, but he should be able to add some weight and he will add more moves to his arsenal with better coaching.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Wasn't Demarcus Ware 6'4 240 or something like that at the senior bowl? Wasn't his only move at that time a speed rush?

I know at 6'4, odds were that Ware could add significant weight (like 20 lbs), were Von Miller may be 10-15 max, but he should be able to add some weight and he will add more moves to his arsenal with better coaching.

I don't know about Ware, but I know Clay Mathews was around 240, and he also had atrocious technique.


like I said, you can very easily coach technique. You can't coach speed. Miller will be a player.

[Manwiththeplan]

I don't know about Ware, but I know Clay Mathews was around 240, and he also had atrocious technique.

actually 232

http://www.seniorbowl.com/roster2005.asp

so if Ware can add 30lbs, I don't see why Von Miller can't add 15lbs

[jterrell]

Von Miller going anywhere in the top 8 would be a blessing for us

yup....

he is a quality player but he is too small to play anything but safety for us.

[jterrell]

actually 232

http://www.seniorbowl.com/roster2005.asp

so if Ware can add 30lbs, I don't see why Von Miller can't add 15lbs

Ware was over 250 by the Combine. If Von Miller can get there and still run a 4.5 as Ware did he'll go high. Ware had been recruited as and played Safety but had a growth spurt.

99% of the population can not put on that kind of muscle in a calendar year much less a couple months. And even with the tiny percentage the vast majority would lose a ton of speed.


I do think Von Miller hits 250+ in the pros. But I doubt seriously he gets there until his sophomore season.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

actually 232

http://www.seniorbowl.com/roster2005.asp

so if Ware can add 30lbs, I don't see why Von Miller can't add 15lbs


Woah. Ware was 230 pounds? Thats insane... Nice find. That is lanky at 6'4 too.

The fact that Miller is 237 means nothing then. He hasn't even seen an NFL S&C coach. People need to stop using Millers weight as a knock..

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Ware was over 250 by the Combine. If Von Miller can get there and still run a 4.5 as Ware did he'll go high. Ware had been recruited as and played Safety but had a growth spurt.

99% of the population can not put on that kind of muscle in a calendar year much less a couple months. And even with the tiny percentage the vast majority would lose a ton of speed.


I do think Von Miller hits 250+ in the pros. But I doubt seriously he gets there until his sophomore season.


Ware weighed 230 at the end of January and 250 by the end of February?

[Manwiththeplan]

Ware was over 250 by the Combine. If Von Miller can get there and still run a 4.5 as Ware did he'll go high. Ware had been recruited as and played Safety but had a growth spurt.

He may not add 13 pounds (not that much), but I can see him adding between 8-10, which puts him above 245


I do think Von Miller hits 250+ in the pros. But I doubt seriously he gets there until his sophomore season.

and what's wrong with that? Ware's first season he had trouble keeping weight on. I don't know if he ever dropped below 250, but it fluctuated.

[Manwiththeplan]

You're saying Ware weighed 230 at the end of January and 250 by the end of February? That is humanly impossible.

he weighed in at 251

http://www.thehogs.net/Draft/combine/2005_Combine3.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=55196&draftyear=2005&genpos=OLB

[TheCount]

Ware weighed 230 at the end of January and 250 by the end of February?

He did go to the combine at 251.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

He did go to the combine at 251.


That is remarkable. :omg: :omg:

How the hell do you put on 20 pounds in one month? That is seriously nuts.

[jterrell]

Ware weighed 230 at the end of January and 250 by the end of February?

Either that or the 232 on the SB site is merely a self-reported weight that came from a Troy media guide. He got on the scale at the Combine and weighed 251.

A lot of draftniks/am scouts, like SI, has Ware rated as a 2nd rounder based on dated info and lack of DE experience.

[realtick]

Lol...

[jterrell]

He may not add 13 pounds (not that much), but I can see him adding between 8-10, which puts him above 245



and what's wrong with that? Ware's first season he had trouble keeping weight on. I don't know if he ever dropped below 250, but it fluctuated.

The issue is CAN we put on the weight at all. Ware was a massive guy at 6'4" with massive frame and wingspan. He had the growth potential.

Von Miller is just a smaller guy. He is a couple inches shorter and was 237 at a Senior Bowl weigh in whilst we don't know if Ware was actually on a scale at 232 for the Senior Bowl or not.

I am not saying teams won't like Miller... I am saying I think top 10 pick status is probably overstated and in fact he couldn't play here in Dallas at that size.

We still have the combine and 40 times and overall athleticism will cause some guys to really rise or take falls. We'll see what he shows up at and where eh falls in the list. If he is the smallest OLB on the board I don't suspect he ends up the first taken.

[CATCH17]

The issue is CAN we put on the weight at all. Ware was a massive guy at 6'4" with massive frame and wingspan. He had the growth potential.

Von Miller is just a smaller guy. He is a couple inches shorter and was 237 at a Senior Bowl weigh in whilst we don't know if Ware was actually on a scale at 232 for the Senior Bowl or not.

I am not saying teams won't like Miller... I am saying I think top 10 pick status is probably overstated and in fact he couldn't play here in Dallas at that size.
We still have the combine and 40 times and overall athleticism will cause some guys to really rise or take falls. We'll see what he shows up at and where eh falls in the list. If he is the smallest OLB on the board I don't suspect he ends up the first taken.


UNLESS you create a hybrid position for him and let the guy roam.

[Chocolate Lab]

The issue is CAN we put on the weight at all. Ware was a massive guy at 6'4" with massive frame and wingspan. He had the growth potential.Yep, I had Ware stand next to me at a restaurant bar just a couple years ago and he doesn't look freaky, blown up, or even particularly that muscular. He just looks like a tall athlete with a big, wide frame. He looks more "natural" than half the guys you see stuffed into Affliction shirts.

Not sure if Miller has the same ability to hold weight. Of course, maybe he does. I'd just be afraid he'd be a rich man's Victor Butler.

[jterrell]

UNLESS you create a hybrid position for him and let the guy roam.

Which would be fine except you already have Demarcus Ware to roam.

Ware is your pass rusher and they guy you move around to prevent double teams.

Which is why Miller can't play here at that weight. Here he'd be a big SS as he cant play the strogsside OLB and w ehave the best weakside OLB in football.

I am not sure why people have goofy infatuations with draft picks who are far lesser than what we have. Off to read about how we really must draft a superstar tight end at 9 next I guess....

[TheCount]

Which would be fine except you already have Demarcus Ware to roam.

Ware is your pass rusher and they guy you move around to prevent double teams.

Which is why Miller can't play here at that weight. Here he'd be a big SS as he cant play the strogsside OLB and w ehave the best weakside OLB in football.

I am not sure why people have goofy infatuations with draft picks who are far lesser than what we have. Off to read about how we really must draft a superstar tight end at 9 next I guess....

Roaming is a bit different from having Ware flip sides. That's completely normal. What Troy does with the Steelers goes way beyond that, I don't even think he knows what he's doing half the time, just playing on instinct and letting that hair fly!

[CATCH17]

Which would be fine except you already have Demarcus Ware to roam.

Ware is your pass rusher and they guy you move around to prevent double teams.

Which is why Miller can't play here at that weight. Here he'd be a big SS as he cant play the strogsside OLB and w ehave the best weakside OLB in football.

I am not sure why people have goofy infatuations with draft picks who are far lesser than what we have. Off to read about how we really must draft a superstar tight end at 9 next I guess....

Agree but in the past we rarely do it when you compare him to a Clay MAtthews.


The only upside I see in letting Miller be this type of player is it will take focus away from Ware if Miller is effective and lining up and doing his own thing after the ball is snapped.

[Plankton]

The issue is CAN we put on the weight at all. Ware was a massive guy at 6'4" with massive frame and wingspan. He had the growth potential.

Von Miller is just a smaller guy. He is a couple inches shorter and was 237 at a Senior Bowl weigh in whilst we don't know if Ware was actually on a scale at 232 for the Senior Bowl or not.

I am not saying teams won't like Miller... I am saying I think top 10 pick status is probably overstated and in fact he couldn't play here in Dallas at that size.

We still have the combine and 40 times and overall athleticism will cause some guys to really rise or take falls. We'll see what he shows up at and where eh falls in the list. If he is the smallest OLB on the board I don't suspect he ends up the first taken.

Agreed.

I'm not sure that he can realistically end up any bigger than Victor Butler, who looks to be too small to play on anything other than passing downs.