Thinking about an Ipad... need some info

[theebs]

So, I am thinking about an ipad.

I am constantly going on the internet on my editing computer and I should not be. I have no virus scan and am not going to install one. Yet I keep doing it! Like right now for instance.

so my question is it worth it for me?

All I am going to do with it is go on the web, listen to music, watch old cowboys games via my main computer.

So here is my question to anyone who has one, Is it powerful enough to stream HD videos or can it only handle small itunes compressed style video. Mp4 mov files that are really really compressed. I have alot of old vhs games and torent downloads that are compressed this way and I know they will play.

However will it handle a large HD Mpeg 2 video? I like to rewatch games when I am just sitting around and have them all encoded this way. Here is what the stats are on how I encode them.
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6655/stats5.jpg

can it handle them? and also, I stream my itunes music on all my computers and am assuming that is how the ipad works, I dont actually have to have the files installed on the ipad.

Just double checking.

Or should I wait for the new one?

[theogt]

At this point you pretty much have to wait for the new one since it'll likely be out in April. Sounds like it's shaping up to be a pretty steep upgrade too. Major upgrades in processing power and screen resolution, which would make it much more desirable from the perspective of watching video on the device.

Also, there have been rumors of an SD card slot, so that would make watching your own videos much easier.

Either way, the iPad 2 announcement should be coming in a couple weeks, so you'll be better able to make your decision whether it's worth the wait then.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Whats the point of tablets.

[theebs]

At this point you pretty much have to wait for the new one since it'll likely be out in April. Sounds like it's shaping up to be a pretty steep upgrade too. Major upgrades in processing power and screen resolution, which would make it much more desirable from the perspective of watching video on the device.

Also, there have been rumors of an SD card slot, so that would make watching your own videos much easier.

Either way, the iPad 2 announcement should be coming in a couple weeks, so you'll be better able to make your decision whether it's worth the wait then.


thanks.

seems like a perfect fit for me if it can play the video.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Whats the point of tablets.

they are displacing laptops and desktops

My wife bought an IPad, she loves it as does CCF jr as he can play a ton of games on it.

[NeonDeion21]

I am on my iPad as I type it and love it. It has replaced my laptop and I use it for just about everything.

[Romo 2 Austin]

they are displacing laptops and desktops

My wife bought an IPad, she loves it as does CCF jr as he can play a ton of games on it.

I just got used to using my laptop as my main PC, I still miss the desktop feel. I used the iPad in the store and I hate it.

[casmith07]

April is supposed to see the release of the iPad 2. I'd wait.

[Wimbo]

Whats the point of tablets.

So you can sit in Starbucks and work on your novel.

[Dallas]

I get the giddy w/ tablets, but I would never own an iPad again or any other apple product. Im sick of Apple telling me what I can and can not view on it's devices when surfing the internet.

Oh we don't support Flash..you don't need flash, everyone should only use HTML 5 but let's not call it that anymore, lets just call it HTML.

Another thing...that irks me is that now the iphone users who send their phones in get the screws of it automatically replaced w/ a new screw that doesn't have a driver available for it. They do this w/o notifying you or asking for permission to do so.

Say you crack your screen and get a 30$ replacement screen off of Ebay. You can't change it out now because of the newly designed screws they are reinserting into the phones if you send it in for repair.

You will now ALWAYS have to send the phone into Apple for any internal fixings and pay the 200$ fee.

Rediculous

Personally if I get a tablet, it will always be an Android device.


Bad things about the iPAD

Big Ugly Bezle

No Multitasking

No Camera

Closed App Ecosystem - You can only play what's in the apple store for purchase if they allow you to.

No HDMI Out

It's not widescreen its 4:3 screen btw

Adapters Adapter Adapters - You can't just plug something into it. You even need an adapter for USB. :D

[theebs]

I get the giddy w/ tablets, but I would never own an iPad again or any other apple product. Im sick of Apple telling me what I can and can not view on it's devices when surfing the internet.

Oh we don't support Flash..you don't need flash, everyone should only use HTML 5 but let's not call it that anymore, lets just call it HTML.

Another thing...that irks me is that now the iphone users who send their phones in get the screws of it automatically replaced w/ a new screw that doesn't have a driver available for it. They do this w/o notifying you or asking for permission to do so.

Say you crack your screen and get a 30$ replacement screen off of Ebay. You can't change it out now because of the newly designed screws they are reinserting into the phones if you send it in for repair.

You will now ALWAYS have to send the phone into Apple for any internal fixings and pay the 200$ fee.

Rediculous

Personally if I get a tablet, it will always be an Android device.


Bad things about the iPAD

Big Ugly Bezle

No Multitasking

No Camera

Closed App Ecosystem - You can only play what's in the apple store for purchase if they allow you to.

No HDMI Out

It's not widescreen its 4:3 screen btw

Adapters Adapter Adapters - You can't just plug something into it. You even need an adapter for USB. :D

wow that makes it sound terrible.

any thoughts on it being able to play the large HD file like in my first post?

[Dallas]

wow that makes it sound terrible.

any thoughts on it being able to play the large HD file like in my first post?


I think it will play your HD contend just fine (no Hulu and im not sure Netflix has its movie app avail in the Apple store yet). It won't be as spectacular as to what your desktop is giving you but for quick and easy access I think it would be fine, as long as you know the limits of the device.

You will have to get numerous adapters. The accessibilty of outside sources for the ipad are EXTREMELY limited. We have some at my office we support. They are cool and cute and provide easy access to the internet and email w/ limitations.

If the limitation I listed are a concern, I would do what theo and some others said and just wait until the 2nd gen comes available.

[Anjinsan]

Whats the point of tablets.

Agreed. To big to carry with you and no physical keyboard.

[theebs]

I think it will play your HD contend just fine (no Hulu and im not sure Netflix has its movie app avail in the Apple store yet). It won't be as spectacular as to what your desktop is giving you but for quick and easy access I think it would be fine, as long as you know the limits of the device.

You will have to get numerous adapters. The accessibilty of outside sources for the ipad are EXTREMELY limited. We have some at my office we support. They are cool and cute and provide easy access to the internet and email w/ limitations.

If the limitation I listed are a concern, I would do what theo and some others said and just wait until the 2nd gen comes available.


Thanks.

I paid the same amount as a 16 b ipad for my wifes netbook last year. The thing is great. I watch those HD files on it all the time with no problems.

I just want something a little bit smaller to fit on my desk and listen to some music etc...while I am working....

[ChldsPlay]

Wait for the next galaxy tab with dual processors (And the new android). Plus it's much more portable.

[theogt]

Bad things about the iPAD

Big Ugly Bezle - MATTER OF TASTE

No Multitasking - THE IPAD HAS MULTI-TASKING

No Camera - IPAD 2 WILL HAVE CAMERAS

Closed App Ecosystem - You can only play what's in the apple store for purchase if they allow you to. - OF COURSE IT'S CLOSED BUT IT'S ALSO THE LARGEST APP ECOSYSTEM, SO THAT'S REALLY A NON-STARTER. YOU CAN ALSO JAILBREAK THE DEVICE AND DO MANY OTHER "NON-APPLE" THING.

No HDMI Out - NOT SURE WHY THIS MATTERS. SIMPLY TRANSFER THE FILES IF YOU WANT TO WATCH THEM ON ANOTHER FORMAT.

It's not widescreen its 4:3 screen btw - THIS IS ACTUALLY A POSITIVE. IT'S NOT A PURE VIDEO DEVICE. THE 4:3 RATIO IS IDEAL FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE SURFING THE WEB OR READING.

Adapters Adapter Adapters - You can't just plug something into it. You even need an adapter for USB. :D - AGAIN, NOT SURE WHY THIS MATTERS EITHER. IF YOU NEED TO UPLOAD SOMETHING TO IPAD, YOU CAN DO IT EASILY.Responses above.

I don't think people really recognize that tablets aren't laptops. They're not laptop replacements. If you want to replace your laptop with a tablet, you're going to be disappointed. They're going to have limited uses. If you want to read books/magazines/newspapers, surf the internet, watch videos, play games -- all in a very portable device -- then a tablet is for you. If you want complete functionality of a laptop or desktop, then don't get one.

[MonsterD]

So you can sit in Starbucks and work on your novel.
:laugh2: Or put the campy software for music and be a pretend musician that looks like a 5 year old would use.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Cruz Tablet and galaxy tab own the Ipad everyday.

[arglebargle]

Responses above.

I don't think people really recognize that tablets aren't laptops. They're not laptop replacements. If you want to replace your laptop with a tablet, you're going to be disappointed. They're going to have limited uses. If you want to read books/magazines/newspapers, surf the internet, watch videos, play games -- all in a very portable device -- then a tablet is for you. If you want complete functionality of a laptop or desktop, then don't get one.

Apple comes up with these brilliant user interfaces, really ground breaking concepts.....and then locks them down into their percieved 'What You Need' set up. That setup, of course, gives them total control and beaucoup bucks.

iPhone, iPpad, iTtunes, even as far back as the mouse, they have developed these cool things. But aside from the mouse, I am not interested in dancing to their (i)tune. (Oh, and they fought for the one button mouse for years. Can't be good if it's not their innovation! Except that the mouse was really from Sun Systems...)

I do applaud them for pushing the envelope. I have wanted a touchscreen pad computer device for years. They've developed a commerically successful one. Once a couple of years have passed someone else will finally build one that fits what I want. It probably won't be Apple.

Really though, theebs should wait and see what the iPad 2 brings to the table. Likely to be much better, better for his intended use, and still not likely to sell to me....:)

[Sam I Am]

So you can sit in Starbucks and work on your novel.

On an iPad and a virtual keyboard? I think not.

The iPad is a media consumer, not a media creator.

[Sam I Am]

Responses above.

I don't think people really recognize that tablets aren't laptops. They're not laptop replacements. If you want to replace your laptop with a tablet, you're going to be disappointed. They're going to have limited uses. If you want to read books/magazines/newspapers, surf the internet, watch videos, play games -- all in a very portable device -- then a tablet is for you. If you want complete functionality of a laptop or desktop, then don't get one.

Just because Steve Jobs says it's multi-tasking, it isn't. It's fake multi-tasking, but whatever.

btw, I agree about not HDMI out. Why in hell would a portable device need HDMI out? Is there a portable HDTV out there? :confused:

[theogt]

Apple comes up with these brilliant user interfaces, really ground breaking concepts.....and then locks them down into their percieved 'What You Need' set up. That setup, of course, gives them total control and beaucoup bucks.

iPhone, iPpad, iTtunes, even as far back as the mouse, they have developed these cool things. But aside from the mouse, I am not interested in dancing to their (i)tune. (Oh, and they fought for the one button mouse for years. Can't be good if it's not their innovation! Except that the mouse was really from Sun Systems...)

I do applaud them for pushing the envelope. I have wanted a touchscreen pad computer device for years. They've developed a commerically successful one. Once a couple of years have passed someone else will finally build one that fits what I want. It probably won't be Apple.

Really though, theebs should wait and see what the iPad 2 brings to the table. Likely to be much better, better for his intended use, and still not likely to sell to me....:)I have no problem with a closed ecosystem as long as (i) the products within that sytem are innovative and (ii) the purpose is to ensure that the sytem works and works well.

I would never use an Apple product as a personal computer. A closed ecosystem doesn't work in that arena because customization is key. However, with a phone or a tablet, I'm not looking to tweak every aspect.

[theogt]

Just because Steve Jobs says it's multi-tasking, it isn't. It's fake multi-tasking, but whatever.

btw, I agree about not HDMI out. Why in hell would a portable device need HDMI out? Is there a portable HDTV out there? :confused:Can it run two programs at once?

Yes?

That's multi-tasking. On a phone or a tablet, you don't need full on multi-tasking. Hell, I don't even use the current version of multi-tasking on the iPhone or iPad and I use them both daily.

[CATCH17]

I had this debate with myself.

I played it safe and went with a laptop.


I gotta have flash player. I do like my iphone for cruising the zone even though the auto spell check drives me nuts sometimes.

[Sam I Am]

Can it run two programs at once?

Yes?

That's multi-tasking. On a phone or a tablet, you don't need full on multi-tasking.

Say what you want, but apps are limited because it isn't true multi-tasking. Steve Jobs basically decided what is and isn't acceptable and specifically allowed it while ignoring anything that it doesn't want.

I'm not here to argue the fact, I'm just here to clarify. It *isn't* true multi-tasking. Steve would NEVER allow such a thing.

[theogt]

Say what you want, but apps are limited because it isn't true multi-tasking. Steve Jobs basically decided what is and isn't acceptable and specifically allowed it while ignoring anything that it doesn't want.

I'm not here to argue the fact, I'm just here to clarify. It *isn't* true multi-tasking. Steve would NEVER allow such a thing."Say what you want, but I decide what is and isn't multi-tasking by placing the word 'true' in front of my definition."

Of course Apple decides what its products can and can't do. Just like every other company and their products.

[Sam I Am]

"Say what you want, but I decide what is and isn't multi-tasking by placing the word 'true' in front of my definition."

Of course Apple decides what its products can and can't do. Just like every other company and their products.

Meet Google's Nexus phones.

[arglebargle]

I have no problem with a closed ecosystem as long as (i) the products within that sytem are innovative and (ii) the purpose is to ensure that the sytem works and works well.

I would never use an Apple product as a personal computer. A closed ecosystem doesn't work in that arena because customization is key. However, with a phone or a tablet, I'm not looking to tweak every aspect.

Funny thing is, the iPhone does a lot of things great: Being a phone is not one of them. My friends with iPhones are always having connection issues. Though that may be the millstone service they are tied to. Also, I had friends who developed for the iPhone, and the 'approval' process was pretty murky and byzantine.

Yeah, I want a 7-12" screen tablet that is a computer, not with a jumped up phone OS. Still, phones are coming out now that have more processing power than some Pentium4s did just a few years ago.

Welcome to the Future!

[theogt]

Funny thing is, the iPhone does a lot of things great: Being a phone is not one of them. My friends with iPhones are always having connection issues. Though that may be the millstone service they are tied to. Also, I had friends who developed for the iPhone, and the 'approval' process was pretty murky and byzantine.

Yeah, I want a 7-12" screen tablet that is a computer, not with a jumped up phone OS. Still, phones are coming out now that have more processing power than some Pentium4s did just a few years ago.

Welcome to the Future!This isn't a thread about iPhones, but mine works great as a phone. If AT&T has poor reception in your area, don't get an iPhone; or get a Verizon version.

The reason tablets shouldn't be full-on computers isn't because of a lack of processing power. It's because a device on which you use primarily just your thumbs shouldn't function exactly like a desktop. It just doesn't make any sense from a UI perspective.

[SkinsandTerps]

Not to de-rail here...But what does anyone need a full keyboard for on a phone ?

Phones started out big, then got smaller with the same features, stayed small with added stuff...now back to being big again for no reason.

Back to topic,

I don't have anything to add besides telling you to buy one that fits what you expect to use it for. A Notebook PC might be a better option depending.

I personally have zero use for an iPad.

[Wimbo]

On an iPad and a virtual keyboard? I think not.

The iPad is a media consumer, not a media creator.

My post was in jest.

[theogt]

So much for the Samsung Galaxy Tab being a competitor.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/

[arglebargle]

This isn't a thread about iPhones, but mine works great as a phone. If AT&T has poor reception in your area, don't get an iPhone; or get a Verizon version.

The reason tablets shouldn't be full-on computers isn't because of a lack of processing power. It's because a device on which you use primarily just your thumbs shouldn't function exactly like a desktop. It just doesn't make any sense from a UI perspective.

Austin metroplex area; and drop outs, late messages, etc are quite common. Bad for an area that is kinda large, and considered an Apple stronghold.

A tablet is great for some things, though it's stronger where the keyboard interface is inadequate. iPads are selling very well to music producers, where it is very cost competitive to similar control devices. The wealth of apps for music production for the iPhone translate very well to the iPad.

I would like the PC equivalent, with enough processing power to act as a scratch pad recorder and VST/DAW interface. A graphics pro friend wants a large tablet, with a super multitouch wacom style screen, to facilitate work on art. There are uses for which the tablet outshines a comparable laptop. And vice versa.

[Dallas]

So much for the Samsung Galaxy Tab being a competitor.

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/31/samsung-galaxy-tab-sales-actually-quite-small/


So much for Apple closing the gap on Android smartphones. ;)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/31/canalys-android-overtakes-symbian-as-worlds-best-selling-smart/

I highly doubt the launch of iPhones on Verizon will do much to boost the difference.

Amazing what Android is doing.

[Anjinsan]

Austin metroplex area; and drop outs, late messages, etc are quite common. Bad for an area that is kinda large, and considered an Apple stronghold.

A tablet is great for some things, though it's stronger where the keyboard interface is inadequate. iPads are selling very well to music producers, where it is very cost competitive to similar control devices. The wealth of apps for music production for the iPhone translate very well to the iPad.

I would like the PC equivalent, with enough processing power to act as a scratch pad recorder and VST/DAW interface. A graphics pro friend wants a large tablet, with a super multitouch wacom style screen, to facilitate work on art. There are uses for which the tablet outshines a comparable laptop. And vice versa.

IPAD's sold well initially because of the marketing hype. People are finding out how useless they are. It has it's place, but will never replace a notebook type device. Wait another year or 2 and the price will be around $100.

[theebs]

IPAD's sold well initially because of the marketing hype. People are finding out how useless they are. It has it's place, but will never replace a notebook type device. Wait another year or 2 and the price will be around $100.


for me personally I fully understand it is not a laptop or netbook.

I just am interested because it is small enough to put on my desk and not be in my way and still do the things I want it to do. I just dont know if it can!!

[Anjinsan]

for me personally I fully understand it is not a laptop or netbook.

I just am interested because it is small enough to put on my desk and not be in my way and still do the things I want it to do. I just dont know if it can!!

From reading your OP, it seems like it would be a waste of $$ for that capability. You can get a decent laptop that will do all you need for about the same price. Hell, an android smart phone can do it. HTC Evo 4g.

[vta]

for me personally I fully understand it is not a laptop or netbook.

I just am interested because it is small enough to put on my desk and not be in my way and still do the things I want it to do. I just dont know if it can!!

Your best bet is to go to the iPad Support Forum (http://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=267), type HD Streaming into the Search box on the right and read what actual users are saying about it.

This might also answer your question. (http://www.macworld.com/article/150826/2010/04/streamipad.html)

[theogt]

So much for Apple closing the gap on Android smartphones. ;)

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/31/canalys-android-overtakes-symbian-as-worlds-best-selling-smart/

I highly doubt the launch of iPhones on Verizon will do much to boost the difference.

Amazing what Android is doing.????

The iPhone eclipses any Android phone in sales.

IPAD's sold well initially because of the marketing hype. People are finding out how useless they are. It has it's place, but will never replace a notebook type device. Wait another year or 2 and the price will be around $100.Actually, iPad sales have grown every quarter since its release.

iPad sales for the 3 months ended:

June 26, 2010 - 3.3 million
September 25, 2010 - ~4 million
December 25, 2010 - 7.3 million

They'll get another boost in April with the release of iPad 2. Not only will they get a boost from sales of the new version, but with the iPad 1 going down in price, a new market will open up for sales.

[CowboyWay]

I know 40 people who have iphones. I know one with an android.

[Jenky]

????

The iPhone eclipses any Android phone in sales.

Actually, iPad sales grown every quarter since its release.

iPad sales for the 3 months ended:

June 26, 2010 - 3.3 million
September 25, 2010 - ~4 million
December 25, 2010 - 7.3 million

He's not talking about a single phone to phone comparison. Look at his link.

[theogt]

He's not talking about a single phone to phone comparison. Look at his link.Yeah, I get that. The "????" was a bit of sarcasm. It's ridiculous to compare operating system to operating system, because Apple doesn't give their operating system away for free.

If Apple gave its OS away to other phone makers, it would absolutely crush Android.

[Jenky]

for me personally I fully understand it is not a laptop or netbook.

I just am interested because it is small enough to put on my desk and not be in my way and still do the things I want it to do. I just dont know if it can!!

I'd wait for one of these from ASUS:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/asus-eee-pad-transformer-and-slider-another-look/

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/01/03/ASUS_EeePadSlider_2_610x417.jpg

[Jenky]

Yeah, I get that. The "????" was a bit of sarcasm. It's ridiculous to compare operating system to operating system, because Apple doesn't give their operating system away for free.

If Apple gave its OS away to other phone makers, it would absolutely crush Android.

Maybe, maybe not. Linux is free and open source. Does it crush Windows?

And yes Apple made a big mistake by only partnering with AT&T -- at first. If they had made their phones available to all carriers, Android would probably be non-existent.

[theogt]

Maybe, maybe not. Linux is free and open source. Does it crush Windows?

And yes Apple made a big mistake by only partnering with AT&T -- at first. If they had made their phones available to all carriers, Android would probably be non-existent.Yeah, HUUUUUUGE mistake.

http://www.tipb.com/images/stories/2010/09/screen-shot-2010-09-21-at-2-02-49-pm-277x400.png

[Jenky]

Yeah, HUUUUUUGE mistake.

http://www.tipb.com/images/stories/2010/09/screen-shot-2010-09-21-at-2-02-49-pm-277x400.png

1) I can make a pie graph too.

2) Show me the statistics to now. Do you know how many Galaxy S phones, HTC phones, Motorola phones, LG phones have been released? It keeps going and going and going and going and going and going and lolol.

[Jenky]

1) I can make a pie graph too.

2) Show me the statistics to now. Do you know how many Galaxy S phones, HTC phones, Motorola phones, LG phones have been released? It keeps going and going and going and going and going and going and lolol.

As a matter of fact.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1646/lolpiep.jpg

[theogt]

2) Show me the statistics to now. Do you know how many Galaxy S phones, HTC phones, Motorola phones, LG phones have been released? It keeps going and going and going and going and going and going and lolol.What do "profit share" mean?

[Anjinsan]

????

The iPhone eclipses any Android phone in sales.

Actually, iPad sales have grown every quarter since its release.

iPad sales for the 3 months ended:

June 26, 2010 - 3.3 million
September 25, 2010 - ~4 million
December 25, 2010 - 7.3 million

They'll get another boost in April with the release of iPad 2. Not only will they get a boost from sales of the new version, but with the iPad 1 going down in price, a new market will open up for sales.

That's the marketing spike I'm talking about. Sales are going down as we speak.

[theogt]

That's the marketing spike I'm talking about. Sales are going down as we speak.Mmmmmmkay.

[Jenky]

What do "profit share" mean?

I don't know.. what do "proprietary" and "price gouging" mean? :confused:

[Meat-O-Rama]

Not sure how this turned into an Apple hate-fest...

But since we got our iPad on x-mas day it has been in near constant use by my wife or I or one of our 3 kids.

I don't think of it as a mobile productivity platform, I think of it as a mobile entertainer platform. And it excels at this.

[Meat-O-Rama]

I don't know.. what do "proprietary" and "price gouging" mean? :confused:

You do realize it;s the developers who set the prices of their apps right?

So that $.99 app that is digging so deep into your pocket wasn't Apple's decision, it was the developer's.

And do you really think any single developer could have gotten their apps out to such a wide audience on their own? Ask the people who developed angry birds how they feel about Apple and their practices. I imagine they are pretty happy right about now.

As far as proprietary, do you complain about the PS3 or the Wii or the Xbox 360 being proprietary? Anyone who develops on these platforms has to adhere to a set of guidelines and APIs as well...

Bottom line: if you don't like the iPad, don't buy one. But don't try to crap all over it with nonsensical arguments.

[Jenky]

You do realize it;s the developers who set the prices of their apps right?

So that $.99 app that is digging so deep into your pocket wasn't Apple's decision, it was the developer's.

And do you really think any single developer could have gotten their apps out to such a wide audience on their own? Ask the people who developed angry birds how they feel about Apple and their practices. I imagine they are pretty happy right about now.

As far as proprietary, do you complain about the PS3 or the Wii or the Xbox 360 being proprietary? Anyone who develops on these platforms has to adhere to a set of guidelines and APIs as well...

Bottom line: if you don't like the iPad, don't buy one. But don't try to crap all over it with nonsensical arguments.

I could care less about the developers and the apps they release. That's a completely separate issue which no one in thread has brought up.

I don't own ps3, wii, or xbox. And I won't buy the iPad until it completely dominates every tablet for its price range.

Point I'm trying to make: You can go along with Apple, buy an iPad, and be happy as a mainstream consumer. But there are other players joining the table, who may or may not release products that are suitable for your needs.

I would personally find this more useful for myself, but that's just me.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/01/03/ASUS_EeePadSlider_2_610x417.jpg

[CowboyWay]

I have to agree with meat o rama. I bought an ipad about 6 months ago and absolutely love it. Its a fantastic idea. Get over the hardcore computing aspect of it. Use your desktop or laptop for that.

An ipad is great to leave on the coffee table and just pick it up and surf the net on a whim. Plus it keeps tremendous hours off my laptop because I just don't use it as much. That in itself will make my laptop last years longer than it would normally.

Anyone who complains about an ipad, simply doesn't have one, and they don't know what they're missing.

[Sam I Am]

Yeah, HUUUUUUGE mistake.

http://www.tipb.com/images/stories/2010/09/screen-shot-2010-09-21-at-2-02-49-pm-277x400.png

Nice pie chart from a Apple fanboy site. I'm guessing they didn't tell you that the data includes Apple products that aren't iPhones? (iPad, iTouch, and iPods)

[chicago JK]

I was trying to hold off for the second Ipad, but couldn't wait any longer and got one for Christmas. My parents also got one for Christmas and they are now discarding their PC as it hasn't been used since they got their Ipad.

BTW, Flipboard is a great app to read and get information. Fun app. Free too. Pulse is fun too.

[theogt]

Nice pie chart from a Apple fanboy site. I'm guessing they didn't tell you that the data includes Apple products that aren't iPhones? (iPad, iTouch, and iPods)No, the first chart only includes iPhones. In the first 6 months of 2010 they sold about 17 million iPhones according to their SEC filings. If you include iPods, the figures double, but the market share in the first chart wouldn't be affected much due to the size of the competitors' numbers.

As for the second chart, that's based on estimated calculations from market analysts, not Apple. I have no way of knowing what is included. But that means you don't know either, so let's not pretend to.

[theebs]

I have to agree with meat o rama. I bought an ipad about 6 months ago and absolutely love it. Its a fantastic idea. Get over the hardcore computing aspect of it. Use your desktop or laptop for that.

An ipad is great to leave on the coffee table and just pick it up and surf the net on a whim. Plus it keeps tremendous hours off my laptop because I just don't use it as much. That in itself will make my laptop last years longer than it would normally.

Anyone who complains about an ipad, simply doesn't have one, and they don't know what they're missing.

I was trying to hold off for the second Ipad, but couldn't wait any longer and got one for Christmas. My parents also got one for Christmas and they are now discarding their PC as it hasn't been used since they got their Ipad.

BTW, Flipboard is a great app to read and get information. Fun app. Free too. Pulse is fun too.


thanks guys. That is all I will really do with it. Leave it on my desk grab it and check the zone, twitter and stream some sports radio stations and like I said I like to watch old cowboys games and listen to the radio broadcasts alot!

[Sam I Am]

No, the first chart only includes iPhones. In the first 6 months of 2010 they sold about 17 million iPhones according to their SEC filings. If you include iPods, the sales figures double.

As for the second chart, that's based on estimated calculations from market analysts, not Apple.

iPhone sold 16.2 million iPhone, not 17 million.

That said, Android is now king of the hill as it toppled Symbian as the top selling smartphone in the 4th quarter of 2010.

Android: 33.2 million (market share grew to 32.9% up 8.7%)
Symnian: 31 million (market share dropped to 30.6% from 44.1%)
Apple: 16.2 million (market share dropped to 16% from 16.2%)
RIM: 14.6 million (market share dropped to 14.4% from 20%)
Microsoft: Not enough to even register


As the article says, Android is going to basically consume the entire market and all that will be left are niche phones. (like Mac computers) As this happens, Apple will either A. increase the price of the phones to even HIGHER margins to keep their stock price up or B. cut margins to sell quantity. (We've already seen Apple lower the quality of their phones to keep margins high)

Steve Jobs sees the writing on the wall, their stock only has one direction it can go from here. He probably isn't sick now. He is probably just getting out while on top rather than being at the reins when Apple's stock price topples! :laugh2:

At some point, he will no-longer be able to "understate" Apples sales before releasing the *real* numbers to get stock prices to jump.

SELL, SELL, SELL! :laugh2:

[ChldsPlay]

I could care less about the developers and the apps they release. That's a completely separate issue which no one in thread has brought up.

I don't own ps3, wii, or xbox. And I won't buy the iPad until it completely dominates every tablet for its price range.

Point I'm trying to make: You can go along with Apple, buy an iPad, and be happy as a mainstream consumer. But there are other players joining the table, who may or may not release products that are suitable for your needs.

I would personally find this more useful for myself, but that's just me.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/01/03/ASUS_EeePadSlider_2_610x417.jpg

I like the attached keyboard and the fact it's not apple, but like the ipad, it's too big IMO.

[SkinsandTerps]

^^^ Motorola Atrix might be a fix for that sir.

[theogt]

iPhone sold 16.2 million iPhone, not 17 million.Actually, according to their SEC filings, they sold 17.15 million iPhones in the 6 months ended June 26, 2010.

I assume you're admitting that you were wrong about the numbers including iPods, etc. now correct?

That said, Android is now king of the hill as it toppled Symbian as the top selling smartphone in the 4th quarter of 2010.

Android: 33.2 million (market share grew to 32.9% up 8.7%)
Symnian: 31 million (market share dropped to 30.6% from 44.1%)
Apple: 16.2 million (market share dropped to 16% from 16.2%)
RIM: 14.6 million (market share dropped to 14.4% from 20%)
Microsoft: Not enough to even register
Again, you're comparing operating systems, not phones. Android isn't a phone, it's an operating system. No other phone has comparable sales figures. If you want to include every single device that the Apple operating system ships on, then the numbers are different. On top of that, if Apple started giving away their operating system for free, the numbers would be vastly different.

[Sam I Am]

Actually, according to their SEC filings, they sold 17.15 million iPhones in the 6 months ended June 26, 2010.

I assume you're admitting that you were wrong about the numbers including iPods, etc. now correct?

Again, you're comparing operating systems, not phones. Android isn't a phone, it's an operating system. No other phone has comparable sales figures. If you want to include every single device that the Apple operating system ships on, then the numbers are different. On top of that, if Apple started giving away their operating system for free, the numbers would be vastly different.

Dude, you're just pissed off that your phone (iOS) is getting *****slapped!

We have some Apple fanboys here, and most of them are becoming less and less happy with their iPhones and both are talking about switching to Android.

Lets face it, iOS is a nice OS, but Steve Jobs while built it, is also ruining it. Not only that, Android is getting better and better at probably twice the rate of iOS. It's inevitable, iOS will be relegated to a niche OS, just like Mac is.

...and no I admit no such thing!

[theogt]

Dude, you're just pissed off that your phone (iOS) is getting *****slapped!

We have some Apple fanboys here, and most of them are becoming less and less happy with their iPhones and both are talking about switching to Android.

Lets face it, iOS is a nice OS, but Steve Jobs while built it, is also ruining it. Not only that, Android is getting better and better at probably twice the rate of iOS. It's inevitable, iOS will be relegated to a niche OS, just like Mac is.

...and no I admit no such thing!No, I just like pointing out when you're embarrassingly wrong. Nice try claiming those numbers included iPods, etc., though. For most people, your ignorance would have gone unnoticed.

Next time, if you're going to interject yourself into the conversation, make sure you actually know what you're talking about first.

[Sam I Am]

No, I just like pointing out when you're embarrassingly wrong. Nice try claiming those numbers included iPods, etc., though. For most people, your ignorance would have gone unnoticed.

Next time, if you're going to interject yourself into the conversation, make sure you actually know what you're talking about first.

They just said it included Macs too. :eek: ;)

[theogt]

They just said it included Macs too. :eek: ;)What on earth are you talking about? Who is "they"? I pointed out to you that the first chart included only iPhones.

[Sam I Am]

What on earth are you talking about? Who is "they"? I pointed out to you that the first chart included only iPhones.

Your momma!

[Vtwin]

Actually, according to their SEC filings, they sold 17.15 million iPhones in the 6 months ended June 26, 2010.

I assume you're admitting that you were wrong about the numbers including iPods, etc. now correct?

Again, you're comparing operating systems, not phones. Android isn't a phone, it's an operating system. No other phone has comparable sales figures. If you want to include every single device that the Apple operating system ships on, then the numbers are different. On top of that, if Apple started giving away their operating system for free, the numbers would be vastly different.


Do you think most smartphone buyers choose the phone with no thought to the OS or do they choose the OS then the phone?

Pretty much everyone I know that has an Iphone bought one when they were really the only player in the high end smartphone game. Now that there is a choice of comparable Andorid phones available the tide is most certainly turning as that chart shows.

I wanted Android and then picked the phone.

You yourself admit that second chart is useless as we don't know exatly what it consists of and is an estimate.

Question for you. You say that if Applee gave away its OS it would kill Android. What is it that makes Apples OS so much better than Android?

[Sam I Am]

Do you think most smartphone buyers choose the phone with no thought to the OS or do they choose the OS then the phone?

Pretty much everyone I know that has an Iphone bought one when they were really the only player in the high end smartphone game. Now that there is a choice of comparable Andorid phones available the tide is most certainly turning as that chart shows.

I wanted Android and then picked the phone.

You yourself admit that second chart is useless as we don't know exatly what it consists of and is an estimate.

Question for you. You say that if Applee gave away its OS it would kill Android. What is it that makes Apples OS so much better than Android?

iOS only having a single handset is his *only* argument since without it, he loses the battle without a fight. He doesn't get that if there were only 1 Android phone, by a single maker, then odds are he would still lose as that manufacturer would have sold 30+ million phones!

[theogt]

Do you think most smartphone buyers choose the phone with no thought to the OS or do they choose the OS then the phone?Of course people choose phones based on the operating system. But that in itself doesn't make comparing operating systems worthwhile. Other factors preclude making such a direct comparison.

You yourself admit that second chart is useless as we don't know exatly what it consists of and is an estimate.No, I don't admit that. I admit that the information isn't independently verifiable. In life, many things aren't independently verifiable. But that, in itself, doesn't make them useless or incorrect. And my point was that nyc didn't know what comprised the numbers, which he claimed to know at the time.

Question for you. You say that if Applee gave away its OS it would kill Android. What is it that makes Apples OS so much better than Android?This is a subjective discussion that I'm not going to get into.

[theogt]

iOS only having a single handset is his *only* argument since without it, he loses the battle without a fight. He doesn't get that if there were only 1 Android phone, by a single maker, then odds are he would still lose as that manufacturer would have sold 30+ million phones!It may be the "only" argument but it's a damn good one.

Take Android and limit its sales to one device. Take iOS and put it on 20+ different devices. See which outperforms the other -- by a wide margin. It would make comparing them completely useless.

[Sam I Am]

It may be the "only" argument but it's a damn good one.

Take Android and limit its sales to one device. Take iOS and put it on 20+ different devices. See which outperforms the other -- by a wide margin.

Android still wins. It's 16.2M devices to 33M devices. Android sells handsets 2-1 over the iPhone.

[theogt]

Android still wins. It's 16.2M devices to 33M devices. Android sells handsets 2-1 over the iPhone.I think you're completely misreading what I just wrote. I'll give you a chance to re-read and edit your post, then delete this post.

[Sam I Am]

I think you're completely misreading what I just wrote. I'll give you a chance to re-read and edit your post, then delete this post.

No. iOS sucks, Android wins. Answer this question. Do you HONESTLY think that people buying Androids 2-1 over iOS has everything to do with iOS only being on one phone?

It doesn't Theo. It has to do with Android being comparable phone AND it doesn't hurt that you can now get them free.

Call me when Jobs actually gives away iPhones for free. If a shop like Verizon or AT&T tried to completely subsidized the iPhone, Steve Jobs would either A. ban it from happening, or B. raise the price of the phone where they couldn't afford to do it.

Tie that all in with the fact that Android is improving as a mobile OS faster than iOS and all signs point to iOS becoming a niche OS. Go ahead, everyone knows it. Niche means what? Yeah, a *small*, but profitable segment of a market. (ie it won't be selling more handsets than Android, even if it were on 3k different handsets)

[Dallas]

No. iOS sucks, Android wins. Answer this question. Do you HONESTLY think that people buying Androids 2-1 over iOS has everything to do with iOS only being on one phone?

It doesn't Theo. It has to do with Android being comparable phone AND it doesn't hurt that you can now get them free.

Call me when Jobs actually gives away iPhones for free. If a shop like Verizon or AT&T tried to completely subsidized the iPhone, Steve Jobs would either A. ban it from happening, or B. raise the price of the phone where they couldn't afford to do it.

Tie that all in with the fact that Android is improving as a mobile OS faster than iOS and all signs point to iOS becoming a niche OS. Go ahead, everyone knows it. Niche means what? Yeah, a *small*, but profitable segment of a market. (ie it won't be selling more handsets than Android, even if it were on 3k different handsets)

So very similar to say ummmmmm Macintosh's market in the personal computer world?


Ohhhhhhhhh.....Im here all day....try the fish and be sure to tip your waitress. :D

[theogt]

No. iOS sucks, Android wins. Answer this question. Do you HONESTLY think that people buying Androids 2-1 over iOS has everything to do with iOS only being on one phone?

It doesn't Theo. It has to do with Android being comparable phone AND it doesn't hurt that you can now get them free.

Call me when Jobs actually gives away iPhones for free. If a shop like Verizon or AT&T tried to completely subsidized the iPhone, Steve Jobs would either A. ban it from happening, or B. raise the price of the phone where they couldn't afford to do it.

Tie that all in with the fact that Android is improving as a mobile OS faster than iOS and all signs point to iOS becoming a niche OS. Go ahead, everyone knows it. Niche means what? Yeah, a *small*, but profitable segment of a market. (ie it won't be selling more handsets than Android, even if it were on 3k different handsets)Yes, the best selling phone of all time is a "niche" market.

Good one.

[Vtwin]

This is a subjective discussion that I'm not going to get into.


You brought it into the discussion and talk more about it after this post?

These are your words:

If Apple gave its OS away to other phone makers, it would absolutely crush Android.

Them's some pretty strong words when one has nothing to back them up with.

What makes Apple's OS so much better than Android?

[Sam I Am]

Yes, the best selling phone of all time is a "niche" market.

Good one.

I said it is going to become a niche market, just like always have been.

[theogt]

I said it is going to become a niche market, just like always have been.Sure it will. When do you expect another phone to outsell the iPhone? 2011? 2012? 2015?

[Sam I Am]

Sure it will. When do you expect another phone to outsell the iPhone? 2011? 2012? 2015?

Android already does. :)

[theogt]

Android already does. :)No Android phone even comes close to the iPhone.

When do you expect that to change? In the next 5 years?

[Dallas]

Sure it will. When do you expect another phone to outsell the iPhone? 2011? 2012? 2015?


What you are missing is the obvious. When you go buy a pair of pants, do you ONLY go to Macy's to buy those 1 pair of pants they only sell or do you go check out Men's Warehouse where they sell not only a billion of those pants but they sell them in mass quantity of sizes?

Personally I love an OS which gives me a gob of diff device choices it runs on. I think thats a great idea to be honest. One might even think one would make more money serving multiple platforms w/ ones open OS.


Just saying the selection of Android phones to iPhones is pretty awesome.

The HTC phones by FAR are some of the best phones on the market. The new Nexus phone will also be a huge plus for Google once it's launched.

Motorola isn't playing around anymore w/ it's Android phones. They are bringing the kitchen sink while coming to play in the Android picture.

Call me silly..but I love choices and I love the Android OS and the vast customizations I can do at the flip of a ROMmanager. :starspin

You are FLAT OUT in denial if you think for 1 second it's GOOD BUSINESS to lock your technology down so much as Apple has done. The iOS does absolutely NOTHING better than the Android OS does. Let's stick that lil iPhone 4 up against my Dell Streak as far as processing power and even memory?

I got 16 applications running atm w/ 44% CPU used and 254 MB of memory used. That is TRUE MT people, let's not kid ourselves.

I could care less about music applications. When is the last time theo spun some 50 cent Self Destruct?

I SAY NEVER

[Sam I Am]

No Android phone even comes close to the iPhone.

When do you expect that to change? In the next 5 years?

iPhone sold 16.2 million phones last quarter, Android sold 33 million. Thats better than 2 to 1 ratio buddy.

You lose.

[theogt]

iPhone sold 16.2 million phones last quarter, Android sold 33 million. Thats better than 2 to 1 ratio buddy.

You lose.Android isn't a phone. When will an Android phone, or any other phone, outsell the iPhone? Next year? The year after?

[Sam I Am]

Android isn't a phone. When will an Android phone outsell the iPhone?

Dude, just face the fact. The iPhone isn't the most popular phone type.

Are you going to say Blackberry comes in 50 flavors too even though they are all made by RIM? What about Sidekicks? They were made by Danger though the new Sidekick will have Android on it! (haha Microsoft putting Linux on a smartphone!!!)

The OS is 90% of what makes the phone.

You've lost the argument, move on.

[Vtwin]

Android isn't a phone. When will an Android phone, or any other phone, outsell the iPhone? Next year? The year after?



Of course people choose phones based on the operating system.


Game, set, match.

[theogt]

Dude, just face the fact. The iPhone isn't the most popular phone type.

Are you going to say Blackberry comes in 50 flavors too even though they are all made by RIM? What about Sidekicks? They were made by Danger though the new Sidekick will have Android on it! (haha Microsoft putting Linux on a smartphone!!!)

The OS is 90% of what makes the phone.

You've lost the argument, move on.Can you tell me how the sales figures included non-iPhone numbers again? I like it when you make things up and get called on it.

The iPhone is the most popular phone in the history of phones and you think it's a niche product. Yeah, I'm the one that needs to "move on." LOL.

[theogt]

Game, set, match.Are you trying to be this dense or does it just come naturally?

[Sam I Am]

Are you trying to be this dense or does it just come naturally?

Before he answers, which said of your mouth did that comment come from? :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

If a couple of you would actually stop, look, read and digest what the other said, you might avoid SOME of the arguing points you continue to make at each other.

Seriously.

[theogt]

Before he answers, which said of your mouth did that comment come from? :laugh2:Sorry, but you're confused. I've kept the same argument consistent throughout. You do not compare operating system to operating system. Apple doesn't give out their operating system for free to other phone companies, who can in turn give out phones for free.

Apple couldn't care less if Android phones as a whole sell more than iPhone.

[Sam I Am]

Sorry, but you're confused. I've kept the same argument consistent throughout. You do not compare operating system to operating system. Apple doesn't give out their operating system for free to other phone companies, who can in turn give out phones for free.

Apple couldn't care less if Android phones as a whole sell more than iPhone.

Lets install the RAZOR's OS on your iPhone and see how you like it then. :lmao2:

[theogt]

If a couple of you would actually stop, look, read and digest what the other said, you might avoid SOME of the arguing points you continue to make at each other.

Seriously.Quoted for truth.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Quoted for truth.

You are included in that with your Niche argument you keep bringing up with NYC.

Just saying for truth. :)

[theogt]

Lets install the RAZOR's OS on your iPhone and see how you like it then. :lmao2:Then it wouldn't be an iPhone. It would be something else.

[theogt]

You are included in that with your Niche argument you keep bringing up with NYC.

Just saying for truth. :)Not really, no. Unless you've failed to follow the conversation properly yourself.

[Dallas]

You are included in that with your Niche argument you keep bringing up with NYC.

Just saying for truth. :)


Grrrr

I was TYPING this very thing. Then you posted it.

STOP STEALING MY POST COUNT PAINT !! :mad:

[Dallas]

Not really, no. Unless you've failed to follow the conversation properly yourself.


:laugh2: :laugh2: I love the complete switch of horses you do in EVERY SINGLE debate you involve yourself in.


I won't argue this point but I think a few others here know....whatimsayin?

huh?


Huuhhhhh? :laugh1: <------- 1 Eye Giggler

[Sam I Am]

If a couple of you would actually stop, look, read and digest what the other said, you might avoid SOME of the arguing points you continue to make at each other.

Seriously.

I'm well aware of what he is saying and I've noted it several times. He is trying to use the fact that Apple makes basically one version of their phone as a point of argument that it is the best selling phone. The problem with that argument is, that the iPhone just like Android is defined by it's operation. The operation of the phone is 90% the OS, not the hardware itself. The hardware itself gives you a camera, a high res display. Something that ANY phone can give you.

The only reason he uses this is because he thinks that it makes the iPhone better than Android. Problem is, I believe the best selling mobile phone in history was the Nokia 1100. I believe they cranked out 250 million of them. Another 150 million of the Nokia 3210, and the Motorola RAZR V3 sold 130 million and then there is the Nokia 3310/3330 that sold 126 million.

[Sam I Am]

Then it wouldn't be an iPhone. It would be something else.

Ahh, so you admit that the OS makes the phone! :lmao2:

[Sam I Am]

Huuhhhhh? :laugh1: <------- 1 Eye Giggler

Kill the one-eyed Giggler! :yousuck:

[theogt]

Ahh, so you admit that the OS makes the phone! :lmao2:Of course the operating system is part of what makes up a phone. It's not all, though.

[theogt]

Relevant to the OP:

http://gizmodo.com/5747930/dont-buy-an-ipad

[Vtwin]

Are you trying to be this dense or does it just come naturally?


Then it wouldn't be an iPhone. It would be something else.


And you call me dense? :)

I get that you are hanging on to the ever weakening branch of comparing specific android phones against the Iphone.

What you don't understand... (or do you because you have written comments that show you do, it's hard to tell really)... is that at the high end the phones all do the same thing. Consumers are buying the OS and Android is owning that market as far as smartphones are concerned.

The other consideration is that high end android phones are relatively new and you can expect an explosion of new and better devices to hit the marketplace.

Apple has owned this market place until now. They have built a brand that is recognizable everywhere. The fact that Android device sales have done so well in just the last six months is very telling and if not for thier jumpstart on the competition and their well known brand the Iphone would already be a niche instead of just destined to become one.

[theogt]

I get that you are hanging on to the ever weakening branch of comparing specific android phones against the Iphone.Yes, the weak branch that prefers not to compare a single phone with a single operating system from a single manufacturer on a single wireless provider to an operating system which gives itself away for free to dozens of manufacturers on multiple wireless providers. What a weak argument that is.

:rolleyes:

Apple has owned this market place until now. They have built a brand that is recognizable everywhere. The fact that Android device sales have done so well in just the last six months is very telling and if not for thier jumpstart on the competition and their well known brand the Iphone would already be a niche instead of just destined to become one.Looks like they still "own" it -- at least, you know, the profit-making part of it.

http://www.tipb.com/images/stories/2011/01/Screen-shot-2011-01-31-at-11.52.09-AM-400x243.png

[Anjinsan]

Yes, the weak branch that prefers not to compare a single phone with a single operating system from a single manufacturer on a single wireless provider to an operating system which gives itself away for free to dozens of manufacturers on multiple wireless providers. What a weak argument that is.

:rolleyes:

Looks like they still "own" it -- at least, you know, the profit-making part of it.

http://www.tipb.com/images/stories/2011/01/Screen-shot-2011-01-31-at-11.52.09-AM-400x243.png (http://www.tipb.com/images/stories/2011/01/Screen-shot-2011-01-31-at-11.52.09-AM-400x243.png)

That's funny. Like comparing oranges to mangos. Profit margin means nothing more than managing your business more effectively. Has nothing to do with adoption rates.

[theogt]

That's funny. Like comparing oranges to mangos. Profit margin means nothing more than managing your business more effectively. Has nothing to do with adoption rates.It has everything to do with making a better product that people are willing to pay a premium for.

Apple doesn't literally give away their phones like Android phones.

[Dallas]

It has everything to do with making a better product that people are willing to pay a premium for.


No honestly it says...

"Im not the smartest geek on the planet and need assistance w/ most of my life...please send help."


Steve Jobs is peeling off his office attire as I write this.


to the Apple mobile....... SCHWIIIINGGGGG !!!!


http://www.tunevroom.com/images/ipod-on-mini.jpg (http://www.tunevroom.com/images/ipod-on-mini.jpg)

[Anjinsan]

It has everything to do with making a better product that people are willing to pay a premium for.

You're insulting your own intelligence.

[theogt]

You brought it into the discussion and talk more about it after this post?

These are your words:

.

Them's some pretty strong words when one has nothing to back them up with.

What makes Apple's OS so much better than Android?Pretty hard to argue against the fact that if the iPhone were more widely available it would crush Android phones, I would think.

http://www.tipb.com/2011/02/04/verizon-iphone-4-successful-day-sales-company-history/

No chance you'll ever have an Android phone with sales like that.

[ChldsPlay]

Pretty hard to argue against the fact that if the iPhone were more widely available it would crush Android phones, I would think.

http://www.tipb.com/2011/02/04/verizon-iphone-4-successful-day-sales-company-history/

No chance you'll ever have an Android phone with sales like that.

Way to completely not answer the question...at all.

People are sheep, we get it, I don't think anyone disputes that.

[Joshmvii]

Just because millions of hipster ******* want whatever product apple sells next in a white glossy package doesn't mean they're great products. The itunes model was ****, the ipod is **** compared to many other mp3 players. They just developed an easy to use store that people would like to click on.

The iphone is a great device, but I have friends with them and I wouldn't trade my HTC Evo for it, period. I have a problem with the way apple treats their customers like dip****s who shouldn't be allowed to modify their products. I guess the fact that most of them are means they're justified, but whatever. :lmao2:

[kapolani]

You are FLAT OUT in denial if you think for 1 second it's GOOD BUSINESS to lock your technology down so much as Apple has done.


Such a weak argument. The sale's numbers of the iPhone should speak for itself.

But, I'll humor myself and explain why it's a good business decision.

It guarantees that all apps will work on the device. If you have a million different devices that you have to potentially code for you can have problems. That's why some apps that aren't optimized for some platforms behave/look like crap.

It allows speedy transitions to OS updates. How long have people had to wait for OS updates on Android phones? Some people will never get updates to their phones because they have to wait for the manufacturer of the phone to release an update.

I'm a software engineer. We never let the enduser inject code or models into our real-time applications. Why? Because we can not guarantee that it will work with our other applications. If a user wants new functionality we provide it with our next release.

That is the problem that faces the many different Android platforms. The phone manufacturer adds layers to the onion. I.E. Motorola Blur etc. You add more crap to it and change the base code. Multiply that by all the different manufacturers and you run into the problems outlined above.


The iOS does absolutely NOTHING better than the Android OS does. Let's stick that lil iPhone 4 up against my Dell Streak as far as processing power and even memory?

I got 16 applications running atm w/ 44% CPU used and 254 MB of memory used. That is TRUE MT people, let's not kid ourselves.


I'm sorry you got snookered into buying that piece of crap. It was rushed to market with an OS that isn't even made to run on a tablet. It was DOA. Support for it is minuscule. Apps for it are horrible. In fact, the last I've read you will never get an OS update. How do you like them Apples?

I can't even believe you mentioned that turd.


I could care less about music applications. When is the last time theo spun some 50 cent Self Destruct?


100 million itunes accounts on record with Apple would like to refute your assertion.

The iPhone would be crushing the market even moreso if it were offered on more carriers. It would sell millions upon millions more if Apple would crank out products. Apple doesn't do that. They concentrate on making a few products that operate flawlessly.

I would also like to add that you can Jailbreak your phone. I've been doing it since my 3G. I can everything that an Android phone can do and much more. I can theme. I can tether for free. I can hotspot for free. Hell, I can even code on it now if I wanted to.

Don't get me wrong. I love Google. I use google products (apps) everyday. My Google account is fully integrated with my phone. I love the competition this breeds. The consumer wins.

[kapolani]

iPhone sold 16.2 million phones last quarter, Android sold 33 million. Thats better than 2 to 1 ratio buddy.

You lose.

Let's see what happens when Verizon releases its numbers.

In case you haven't heard, it's the best selling phone they have ever had.

I'm sorry Stevie boy pissed in your wheaties.

Why don't you show us on the teddy bear where the bad man touched you?

[kapolani]

Dude, just face the fact. The iPhone isn't the most popular phone type.


Verizon would like to have a word with you...

[kapolani]

Yes, the weak branch that prefers not to compare a single phone with a single operating system from a single manufacturer on a single wireless provider to an operating system which gives itself away for free to dozens of manufacturers on multiple wireless providers. What a weak argument that is.

:rolleyes:



:bow:

[Vtwin]

So the world is full of mindless sheep drawn to the shiny objects. What does that prove.

At the end of the day (figuratively speaking of course) sales of Android devices will crush sales of the Iphone. No doubt about that whatsoever.


I can everything that an Android phone can do and much more. I can theme. I can tether for free.



Much more? Really.

Like what?

[theogt]

Way to completely not answer the question...at all.

People are sheep, we get it, I don't think anyone disputes that.My original statement was that if the iPhone (or iOS) was opened up to more a broader sales base like Android phones, it would obliterate them.

He asked me why I thought iOS was better, to which I replied that it was a subjective discussion that I don't want to get into. I want to avoid the "your personal subjective opinion is wrong because I disagree with it" BS.

What I linked to didn't avoid the topic. It actually backed up my original statement. So, if there's an attempt to take the conversation off-topic or to avoid the topic, it sure as hell ain't by me.

[theogt]

Just because millions of hipster ******* want whatever product apple sells next in a white glossy package doesn't mean they're great products. The itunes model was ****, the ipod is **** compared to many other mp3 players. They just developed an easy to use store that people would like to click on.

The iphone is a great device, but I have friends with them and I wouldn't trade my HTC Evo for it, period. I have a problem with the way apple treats their customers like dip****s who shouldn't be allowed to modify their products. I guess the fact that most of them are means they're justified, but whatever. :lmao2:Anti-Apple Argument: "YAY the iPhone isn't the most popular phone anymore!!!"

Rational Human: "Hey, look, the iPhone on Verizon sold out in two hours, crushing Verizon's previous launch numbers, eclipsing demand for any other phone in history."

Anti-Apple Argument: "Who cares if it's extremely popular!!!!!"


:cool:

[kapolani]

So the world is full of mindless sheep drawn to the shiny objects. What does that prove.


So, you don't buy shiny objects?!?!

You're drinking the Android kool-aid.

How funny.


At the end of the day (figuratively speaking of course) sales of Android devices will crush sales of the Iphone. No doubt about that whatsoever.


Like stated many times before. If the iPhone were to sell 'buy one get one free' there would be many, many more.

Sale numbers could be padded with a bunch of crap products do you not agree?


Much more? Really.

Like what?

How about you tell me what an Android phone can do that an iPhone can't, since you're adamant about saying it's only a 'shiny' object.

[kapolani]

Anti-Apple Argument: "YAY the iPhone isn't the most popular phone anymore!!!"

Rational Human: "Hey, look, the iPhone on Verizon sold out in two hours, crushing Verizon's previous launch numbers, eclipsing demand for any other phone in history."

Anti-Apple Argument: "Who cares if it's extremely popular!!!!!"


:cool:

:lmao2:

It's funny. If it's such a crap OS why are so many businesses starting to adopt the platform?

That's right... Fortune 500 companies are sheeples too.

:rolleyes:

[Kangaroo]

Not to de-rail here...But what does anyone need a full keyboard for on a phone ?

Phones started out big, then got smaller with the same features, stayed small with added stuff...now back to being big again for no reason.

Back to topic,

I don't have anything to add besides telling you to buy one that fits what you expect to use it for. A Notebook PC might be a better option depending.

I personally have zero use for an iPad.

Because I used my phone before to rdp into my workstation and fixed an issues it was a little painful but do able. Then managers send out big long winded emails that tell you nothing :D

[Kangaroo]

:lmao2:

It's funny. If it's such a crap OS why are so many businesses starting to adopt the platform?

That's right... Fortune 500 companies are sheeples too.

:rolleyes:

It has made some in roads but very little in roads into companies. We are already looking at other devices besides the Ipad. Slate and several other ones and they already have a lead over Apple because of OS.

[kapolani]

It has made some in roads but very little in roads into companies. We are already looking at other devices besides the Ipad. Slate and several other ones and they already have a lead over Apple because of OS.

Major fortune 500 companies have adopted it.

Goldman Sachs has dropped Blackberry and moved to IOS.

I call BS on the bolded part.

Links?

[Kangaroo]

Major fortune 500 companies have adopted it.

Goldman Sachs has dropped Blackberry and moved to IOS.

I call BS on the bolded part.

Links?

I said where I work where we have 8000 employees and Ipad is behind those for a reason. Please I do this for a living Apple does not interact with Active Directory very well and is a major infrastructure of most large Fortune 500 companies; it does not interface well on many network storage and sharing data between the different OS. Them dropping Blackberry is not a surprise Blackberry is struggling to keep up with all the oncoming changes Microsoft has now become on the table with this type of technology with their last phone release no it is not perfect but it is now in discussion where it was never before and as people said before no CIO has ever been fired for using Microsoft.

There are always exceptions Google has gone away from Microsoft totally not many people are following. Several other companies.

Yes a niche market fortune 500 companies have had apple in niche area including multimedia departments for while over 20 years.

I worked at places such as Exxon, BP and so fourth all of them had some Apple in niche areas so what your point. The Apple OS is what is holding it back not the device it just does not play well in most corporate infrastructure and it is not cheap to make it play nice.

[kapolani]

I said where I work where we have 8000 employees and Ipad is behind those for a reason. Please I do this for a living Apple does not interact with Active Directory very well and is a major infrastructure of most large Fortune 500 companies; it does not interface well on many network storage and sharing data between the different OS. Them dropping Blackberry is not a surprise Blackberry is struggling to keep up with all the oncoming changes Microsoft has now become on the table with this type of technology with their last phone release no it is not perfect but it is now in discussion where it was never before and as people said before no CIO has ever been fired for using Microsoft.

There are always exceptions Google has gone away from Microsoft totally not many people are following. Several other companies.

Yes a niche market fortune 500 companies have had apple in niche area including multimedia departments for while over 20 years.

I worked at places such as Exxon, BP and so fourth all of them had some Apple in niche areas so what your point. The Apple OS is what is holding it back not the device it just does not play well in most corporate infrastructure and it is not cheap to make it play nice.

I stopped reading when I saw Microsoft.

Apple is making headway into the corporate world because they are improving their interface with many storage applications. They haven't even tried to crack that market yet. Just wait until they start.

I do this for a living too.

**edit**

In the other thread you didn't even know that the Droid is a phone and that Android is the platform. It's amusing that you're trying to 'teach' me something...

[Vtwin]

So, you don't buy shiny objects?!?!

You're drinking the Android kool-aid.

How funny.




How about you tell me what an Android phone can do that an iPhone can't, since you're adamant about saying it's only a 'shiny' object.


And you're drinking the Apple koolaide. Equally as funny.

I never claimed a Droid could do more then an Iphone.

However you are the one that said: I can everything that an Android phone can do and much more.

Now back that statement up. What exactly is this "much more" that it can do?


:D

I'm waiting.

[Vtwin]

So, you don't buy shiny objects?!?!

.


Well I did black out all the chrome on my Harley...

You missed the point. Apple was the first. They have a huge marketing jumpstart and make a decent product. The masses of the uneducated automatically think IPHONE when they think of a smartphone.

That is what I meant by the shiny objects reference.

I'll try and dumb it down for you in the future.;)

[kapolani]

Well I did black out all the chrome on my Harley...

You missed the point. Apple was the first. They have a huge marketing jumpstart and make a decent product. The masses of the uneducated automatically think IPHONE when they think of a smartphone.


That's what's funny. You thinking that only the uneducated think of iPhone.

Why don't you educate me and tell me why the Android platform is better.

Google up all the info you want.


I'll try and dumb it down for you in the future.;)

I actually need you to make a pertinent argument because all you're doing is speaking nonsense. Read: uneducated opinions.

;)

[kapolani]

And you're drinking the Apple koolaide. Equally as funny.

I never claimed a Droid could do more then an Iphone.

However you are the one that said:

Now back that statement up. What exactly is this "much more" that it can do?


:D

I'm waiting.

How about you back up why only 'the uneducated' think of the iPhone...

[Temo]

Android= OS
iPhone= Phone with proprietary OS

Apple beats all other smart phone manufacturers. They do not beat Android in the OS market.

[theogt]

Android= OS
iPhone= Phone with proprietary OS

Apple beats all other smart phone manufacturers. They do not beat Android in the OS market.Depends on what you mean by "beat" and how you define the OS market. Apple's OS ships on more than just the iPhone and if you include all devices for both operating systems, iOS would have higher sales volumes. If you're speaking just about phone OS's, then it beats it in terms of gross sales volume. But iOS still beats Android in terms of both sales revenue and profits. Not to mention, all of that sales revenue and profits goes back to Apple, whereas Google gets very, very little. If the question were which company's sales would you prefer to have, the obvious answer is Apple's -- and to me that's "beating" the competition.

[Temo]

How do you calculate iOS sales revenue and profits anyway? Apple doesn't license their OS to third parties, and it is essentially inseparable from the iPhone.

Saying that iOS is more profitable than Android, to me, is like saying iMacs are more profitable than Windows. It doesn't make sense.

[theogt]

How do you calculate iOS sales revenue and profits anyway? Apple doesn't license their OS to third parties, and it is essentially inseparable from the iPhone.

Saying that iOS is more profitable than Android, to me, is like saying iMacs are more profitable than Windows. It doesn't make sense.I'd think with the significant advantage that Apple has on the combined sales revenue and profit on both phone and OS, if you stripped away the phone component, the OS would win as well.

But this goes to the heart of my argument that comparing all phones with Android OS to just one phone with iOS is a pretty silly comparison.

[vta]

Well I did black out all the chrome on my Harley...

You missed the point. Apple was the first. They have a huge marketing jumpstart and make a decent product. The masses of the uneducated automatically think IPHONE when they think of a smartphone.

That is what I meant by the shiny objects reference.

I'll try and dumb it down for you in the future.;)

Brilliance in branding. It's not an MP3 player to the masses, it's an iPod. It's not petroleum jelly to the masses it's Vaseline. Q-Tips, Coke, Pampers. Names that defined a product. That doesn't mean it's not a good product, but upfront the genius was in marketing.

[Temo]

I'd think with the significant advantage that Apple has on the combined sales revenue and profit on both phone and OS, if you stripped away the phone component, the OS would win as well.

But this goes to the heart of my argument that comparing all phones with Android OS to just one phone with iOS is a pretty silly comparison.

I agree with your second point, and it goes directly against your first point.

I doubt Apple cares about Android proliferation. Apple wants to sell phones, Google wants to control as much of the mobile OS market as possible.

It's true that Google doesn't make much (if any) money off Android itself, but that's also been the philosophy they've used with many of their services (like GMail, which is enormously profitable for them now). Control the way people view information, and make money down the line.

[theogt]

I agree with your second point, and it goes directly against your first point.

I doubt Apple cares about Android proliferation. Apple wants to sell phones, Google wants to control as much of the mobile OS market as possible.

It's true that Google doesn't make much (if any) money off Android itself, but that's also been the philosophy they've used with many of their services (like GMail, which is enormously profitable for them now). Control the way people view information, and make money down the line.I don't think my second point really affects the first in any way. But I agree with your view of Google's business objective. Regardless, if we're discussing revenue and profitability of the OS (or the phone) itself, we have to, you know, actually discuss the revenue and profitability of the OS (or the phone) itself, and not some future tertiary benefits.

[Vtwin]

That's what's funny. You thinking that only the uneducated think of iPhone.

Why don't you educate me and tell me why the Android platform is better.

Google up all the info you want.



I actually need you to make a pertinent argument because all you're doing is speaking nonsense. Read: uneducated opinions.

;)


So you got nothing.

LOL

Exactly what I thought. Empty words with nothing to back them up.

LOL

[Vtwin]

Brilliance in branding. It's not an MP3 player to the masses, it's an iPod. It's not petroleum jelly to the masses it's Vaseline. Q-Tips, Coke, Pampers. Names that defined a product. That doesn't mean it's not a good product, but upfront the genius was in marketing.


That's the point the koolaid drinker doesn't understand.

When a consumer who knows nothing about smartphones decides they want one they think IPHONE because of the brilliiant marketing.

[kapolani]

So you got nothing.

LOL

Exactly what I thought. Empty words with nothing to back them up.

LOL

lolwut?

umad?

[kapolani]

That's the point the koolaid drinker doesn't understand.

When a consumer who knows nothing about smartphones decides they want one they think IPHONE because of the brilliiant marketing.

What is so great about Android?

Your assertion that it's only marketing is ridiculous. I agree that their marketing strategy is good. But, it can't all be chalked up to marketing.

[Sam I Am]

What is so great about Android?

Your assertion that it's only marketing is ridiculous. I agree that their marketing strategy is good. But, it can't all be chalked up to marketing.

You don't know? If that was not a rhetorical question, then you are looking at the smartphone world with tunnel vision. Android has a lot going for it.

[kapolani]

You don't know? If that was not a rhetorical question, then you are looking at the smartphone world with tunnel vision. Android has a lot going for it.

Are you serious?

After all your hooting and hollering about Apple you're going to drop this hypocritical bomb?

Android does have a lot going for it. If the manufacturers wouldn't screw it up by injecting all their crap into it.

If they wouldn't release crap just because they can.

Case in point. The Dell Streak. Rushed to market with an OS not meant for tablets. That thing is a turd that was dead before it arrived on the market. People got suckered into buying that piece of crap.

**edit**

This also brings me back to my point about fragmentation. Who is going to write apps for the Dell Streak? No one is going to support that turn because it isn't worth it. Programmers will code for the money makers. Possibly the Xoom will do great things. I might even pick one up for myself instead of an iPad.

[Sam I Am]

Are you serious?

After all your hooting and hollering about Apple you're going to drop this hypocritical bomb?

Android does have a lot going for it. If the manufacturers wouldn't screw it up by injecting all their crap into it.

If they wouldn't release crap just because they can.

Case in point. The Dell Streak. Rushed to market with an OS not meant for tablets. That thing is a turd that was dead before it arrived on the market. People got suckered into buying that piece of crap.

**edit**

This also brings me back to my point about fragmentation. Who is going to write apps for the Dell Streak? No one is going to support that turn because it isn't worth it. Programmers will code for the money makers. Possibly the Xoom will do great things. I might even pick one up for myself instead of an iPad.
It's like anything else when you have choices. Select your device carefully. Buying a smartphone from a computer manufacturer that has no experience is probably not a good idea. Though I believe Dallas likes his Streak.

[kapolani]

It's like anything else when you have choices. Select your device carefully. Buying a smartphone from a computer manufacturer that has no experience is probably not a good idea. Though I believe Dallas likes his Streak.


It all comes back to the 'walled garden' approach. Some bemoan the iron fist of Jobs, but he makes sure crap product doesn't go out. They concentrate on a few products versus the many.

[Sam I Am]

It all comes back to the 'walled garden' approach. Some bemoan the iron fist of Jobs, but he makes sure crap product doesn't go out. They concentrate on a few products versus the many.

Problem is he walls out stuff people want too. Yes, he makes great although limited products. Not to mention, publisher must be extremely pissed with Apple (http://www.odt.co.nz/news/technology/146895/apple-demands-30-slice-app-content-sales) right about now. They are so greedy that they are going to kill their own market.

[vta]

They are so greedy that they are going to kill their own market.

You're under estimating a lot of factors here. Apple has been run this way since day one and while it hadn't helped them in the home and business PC market, it hasn't killed them either. It's easy to dismiss people who stick with them as mindless and fan boys, but truth of the matter their products are perfectly self contained and cause the user so much less trouble. They simply work.

My experience is solely with the computer, as I don't have an iPhone or pad, but they've been nothing but consistent in what they're making and what they're good at. They don't rush products out, like many do, they take the time to take what may already exist and do it in their own way and do it right. They function on a model that spans their every product from hardware to software and it performs just what the user wants it to perform.

You're mistaking their model of insuring the product is in line with their business model as greed. As a corporation they're no more greedy than the rest - none of them are altruistic and the bottom line is the bottom line. Love them or hate them, they're not going anywhere. If people want those other things, they'll buy what serves them. If they want something that functions perfectly in it's own strengths, they'll have no problem with any Apple product.

[kapolani]

Problem is he walls out stuff people want too.


People always say that. But, I never really saw/read one good argument stating what is kept from the masses.


Yes, he makes great although limited products. Not to mention, publisher must be extremely pissed with Apple (http://www.odt.co.nz/news/technology/146895/apple-demands-30-slice-app-content-sales) right about now. They are so greedy that they are going to kill their own market.

Doubt that will happen. People will either get on board or move on. It's their choice.

I hack every device I own. I jailbroke from the beginning. Hacked my Sega Dreamcast. Homebrew on the PSP. Xbox etc.

So, the argument about keeping stuff from me falls on deaf ears.

For the majority of users they just need/want a device that works flawlessly. I think that is what appeals to most users about Apple products.

[kapolani]

You're under estimating a lot of factors here. Apple has been run this way since day one and while it hadn't helped them in the home and business PC market, it hasn't killed them either. It's easy to dismiss people who stick with them as mindless and fan boys, but truth of the matter their products are perfectly self contained and cause the user so much less trouble. They simply work.

My experience is solely with the computer, as I don't have an iPhone or pad, but they've been nothing but consistent in what they're making and what they're good at. They don't rush products out, like many do, they take the time to take what may already exist and do it in their own way and do it right. They function on a model that spans their every product from hardware to software and it performs just what the user wants it to perform.

You're mistaking their model of insuring the product is in line with their business model as greed. As a corporation they're no more greedy than the rest - none of them are altruistic and the bottom line is the bottom line. Love them or hate them, they're not going anywhere. If people want those other things, they'll buy what serves them. If they want something that functions perfectly in it's own strengths, they'll have no problem with any Apple product.

Some people are good with words.

Me not so much.

This is exactly what I meant to convey.

It's ease of use appeals to many people.

You would think that I guy like me that likes to hack and tinker with everything I own would be an Android fanboy. Truth be told - if my wife hadn't gotten me the iPhone I would have never bought it myself.

[Sam I Am]

You're under estimating a lot of factors here. Apple has been run this way since day one and while it hadn't helped them in the home and business PC market, it hasn't killed them either. It's easy to dismiss people who stick with them as mindless and fan boys, but truth of the matter their products are perfectly self contained and cause the user so much less trouble. They simply work.

My experience is solely with the computer, as I don't have an iPhone or pad, but they've been nothing but consistent in what they're making and what they're good at. They don't rush products out, like many do, they take the time to take what may already exist and do it in their own way and do it right. They function on a model that spans their every product from hardware to software and it performs just what the user wants it to perform.

You're mistaking their model of insuring the product is in line with their business model as greed. As a corporation they're no more greedy than the rest - none of them are altruistic and the bottom line is the bottom line. Love them or hate them, they're not going anywhere. If people want those other things, they'll buy what serves them. If they want something that functions perfectly in it's own strengths, they'll have no problem with any Apple product.

I'm not talking about users, I'm talking about content providers. With Android coming on strong, they like their PCs will become a niche. If you are a niche market and gouging your content providers, they just won't provide content for your product.

[kapolani]

I'm not talking about users, I'm talking about content providers. With Android coming on strong, they like their PCs will become a niche. If you are a niche market and gouging your content providers, they just won't provide content for your product.

With all the money APPL has I wouldn't be surprised if they started providing their own content.

But, the content providers will cave sooner or later. They will realize that they can make gobs of money off the APPL gravy train.

Although I don't think Google is fairing any better considering providers are blocking content from them as well a la Google TV.

Also, I don't know how much longer people can continue using the 'niche' angle considering the inroads Mac is making in the PC world. More people bought macs than any other PC last year I believe.

[Sam I Am]

With all the money APPL has I wouldn't be surprised if they started providing their own content.

But, the content providers will cave sooner or later. They will realize that they can make gobs of money off the APPL gravy train.

Although I don't think Google is fairing any better considering providers are blocking content from them as well a la Google TV.

Also, I don't know how much longer people can continue using the 'niche' angle considering the inroads Mac is making in the PC world. More people bought macs than any other PC last year I believe.

You really think Apple can make enough content by itself to keep it's users happy? No single company can do that. Besides, it would eat itself to death trying.

As for a niche market, Acer (which I can't believe still even exists) still sells more PCs than Apple. It will have to at minimum double it's output before I will even think of taking the niche tag off.

[vta]

I'm not talking about users, I'm talking about content providers. With Android coming on strong, they like their PCs will become a niche. If you are a niche market and gouging your content providers, they just won't provide content for your product.

That's not the really the case here, like it was in the earlier days with the Mac Computers. The complaint was that there was no software for it, like there was with Windows. At this point, and with the popularity of Apple products people are providing content for Apple products. So much so that Apple feels it can afford to turn some down, if they don't meet their criteria. They're keeping it close and in control so their product is functioning the way they intend it. Their name is not attached to random problems and given negative press.

Another way to really look at the model is from the aspect of an artist, be it movie maker, composer or what have you: he wants that control. The final work is in his name and to his specs. What goes with his name is very calculated piece of work that only fits within his own standards.

[Sam I Am]

That's not the really the case here, like it was in the earlier days with the Mac Computers. The complaint was that there was no software for it, like there was with Windows. At this point, and with the popularity of Apple products people are providing content for Apple products. So much so that Apple feels it can afford to turn some down, if they don't meet their criteria. They're keeping it close and in control so their product is functioning the way they intend it. Their name is not attached to random problems and given negative press.

Another way to really look at the model is from the aspect of an artist, be it movie maker, composer or what have you: he wants that control. The final work is in his name and to his specs. What goes with his name is very calculated piece of work that only fits within his own standards.

Steve Jobs just said that computer graphic artists and musicians that use Apple now have to sell their stuff through the App Store even if it was ordered a head of time to be made because they want 30%. :muttley:

[vta]

Steve Jobs just said that computer graphic artists and musicians that use Apple now have to sell their stuff through the App Store even if it was ordered a head of time to be made because they want 30%. :muttley:

I doubt any pro in either field bothers with the App Store for his needs or will have to.

[Sam I Am]

I doubt any pro in either field bothers with the App Store for his needs or will have to.

It was a joke. :)

[vta]

It was a joke. :)

WHOOOSSSHHHHH!!!! Right over my head. :D

[kapolani]

You really think Apple can make enough content by itself to keep it's users happy? No single company can do that. Besides, it would eat itself to death trying.


I highly doubt it myself, but with the gobs of money they keep in their coffers (something like 70 billion) they can buy companies if they wanted to.


As for a niche market, Acer (which I can't believe still even exists) still sells more PCs than Apple. It will have to at minimum double it's output before I
will even think of taking the niche tag off.

I'm sure I was off. Now that I think about it it may have been that Macs were the only computers that showed an increase in sales this last calendar year.

I'm starting to see our engineers here with MacBooks. We primarily code for Linux and Windows boxes. Looks like times are a changing.

[Sam I Am]

I highly doubt it myself, but with the gobs of money they keep in their coffers (something like 70 billion) they can buy companies if they wanted to.



I'm sure I was off. Now that I think about it it may have been that Macs were the only computers that showed an increase in sales this last calendar year.

I'm starting to see our engineers here with MacBooks. We primarily code for Linux and Windows boxes. Looks like times are a changing.

Several of our Java programmers also have Macs at home, but they use Ubuntu or Fedora as their development platform. (Idea IntelliJ)

[vta]

I'm starting to see our engineers here with MacBooks. We primarily code for Linux and Windows boxes. Looks like times are a changing.

What's interesting about this is, I'm seeing our departments buying MacPro's to run Windows. IT and the 3D guys that prefer the Windows environments work on Macs running Windows.

[kapolani]

Several of our Java programmers also have Macs at home, but they use Ubuntu or Fedora as their development platform. (Idea IntelliJ)

Fedora Core and Redhat used to be my flavor. Back to Windblows boxes now.

Been meaning to change my netbook to Ubuntu. Been running that in VMWARE and like what I've been seeing.

[kapolani]

What's interesting about this is, I'm seeing our departments buying MacPro's to run Windows. IT and the 3D guys that prefer the Windows environments work on Macs running Windows.

I think my next laptop is going to be a MacBook Pro. As long as I can still do a little gaming with it on the side I'll be set.

[Vtwin]

What is so great about Android?

Your assertion that it's only marketing is ridiculous. I agree that their marketing strategy is good. But, it can't all be chalked up to marketing.


How come you don't just answer the question on the sunbject that YOU brought into the discussion?

You stated the the IPHONE did more than any ANdroid device.

I asked you what more it did.

Just answer the question. Why is this so hard for you?

[kapolani]

How come you don't just answer the question on the sunbject that YOU brought into the discussion?

You stated the the IPHONE did more than any ANdroid device.

I asked you what more it did.

Just answer the question. Why is this so hard for you?

Why don't you answer why the uneducated choose the iPhone?

Why is that so hard for you?

[Vtwin]

Why don't you answer why the uneducated choose the iPhone?

Why is that so hard for you?


Check post #140 Norman. :lmao2:

Your turn. I'm still waiting to hear about all these things the Iphone can do that a comparable Android device can't.

What you got?

:laugh2:

[kapolani]

Check post #140 Norman. :lmao2:

Your turn. I'm still waiting to hear about all these things the Iphone can do that a comparable Android device can't.

What you got?

:laugh2:

Lighten up Francis and dust the sand out of your vajayjay...

I'll give you one. To prove my assertion all I have to do is show one case where it is true.

I can stream my iPhone data i.e. music, videos, and pictures to my AppleTV.

Q.E.D.

[Vtwin]

Lighten up Francis and dust the sand out of your vajayjay...

I'll give you one. To prove my assertion all I have to do is show one case where it is true.

I can stream my iPhone data i.e. music, videos, and pictures to my AppleTV.

Q.E.D.


LOL

Uhhhmmmmm.... So can I?

Keep trying Norman.

[kapolani]

LOL

Uhhhmmmmm.... So can I?

Keep trying Norman.

Okay Francis...

[BrAinPaiNt]

Norman and Francis. I see male bonding in the future. :p:

[Vtwin]

Okay Francis...

So you are saying I can't?

Or you are conceding that you are wrong?

Sucks to be backed into a corner eh?

:cool:

[Vtwin]

Norman and Francis. I see male bonding in the future. :p:

The next great sitcom....

[BrAinPaiNt]

The next great sitcom....

The OS couple?:p:

[theogt]

Looks like the resolution is remaining the same for iPad 2.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704364004576132643125168876.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth

That's a bummer -- I was going to upgrade from iPad 1, but without a better resolution, I'm not sure it's worth it. Faster hardware will be nice, but the iPad 1 is more than sufficient in that regard for me, and I have no use for a camera on the iPad.

It would have been nice if some actual competition to the iPad had developed over the last year, so as to force the issue. Perhaps in 2011 some real competitors will appear that will force Apple to go the extra mile.

[kapolani]

So you are saying I can't?

Or you are conceding that you are wrong?

Sucks to be backed into a corner eh?

:cool:

lolumad?

:lmao:

[Vtwin]

lolumad?

:lmao:



That's all you got?

Nothing worse then a sore loser. ;)

[kapolani]

That's all you got?

Nothing worse then a sore loser. ;)


lolwut?

lolumad?

You couldn't beat me at anything on one of your best days...

[Vtwin]

lolwut?

lolumad?

You couldn't beat me at anything on one of your best days...

That's easy to say when you refuse to "play".

You have yet to back up your claim. Why is that?

All you do is insinuate that I am mad and try and discredit me as a poster rather than show some evidence of your claims. The only reason I can see for that is your claims are empty and you have no evidence.

That is a FACT Norman. Until you prove otherwise it remains a fact. ;)

You lose. :laugh1:


And FYI.. This is just stupid p'ing match on the internet. The day I get mad over what some guy like you has to say on the internet is the day I eat my .45. :p:

[kapolani]

That's easy to say when you refuse to "play".

You have yet to back up your claim. Why is that?

All you do is insinuate that I am mad and try and discredit me as a poster rather than show some evidence of your claims. The only reason I can see for that is your claims are empty and you have no evidence.

That is a FACT Norman. Until you prove otherwise it remains a fact. ;)

You lose. :laugh1:


And FYI.. This is just stupid p'ing match on the internet. The day I get mad over what some guy like you has to say on the internet is the day I eat my .45. :p:

Says the guy frothing at the mouth declaring victory.

It's so easy to get under your skin.

So know you're whipping out your pennis aka .45?

Keyboard ninja who never had to use a weapon.

How funny. Poor little boy...

[Vtwin]

Says the guy frothing at the mouth declaring victory.

It's so easy to get under your skin.

So know you're whipping out your pennis aka .45?

Keyboard ninja who never had to use a weapon.

How funny. Poor little boy...


Frothing at the mouth?

Under my skin?

You wish little fella. Now seeing as how you've got nothing to back up any of your arguments and you are going to resort to personal attacks only i'm going to let you get your last insult in so you can at least feel like you "won".

That should make up some for your obvious insecurities. ;)

Please don't take it out on your wife or girlfriend like many of your kind do.

[theogt]

So the rumor is now that the iPad 2 in April will be a moderate upgrade (as detailed in the WSJ article) and then a major upgrade with retina display will come in the fall of 2011. That seems like a departure from typical product cycling by Apple, but whatever.

http://www.tipb.com/2011/02/09/apple-preparing-ipad-3-september/

In a way, this would make sense for Apple to convert their iPad cycle from April to October. It would be a huge boon to holiday sales.

[Sam I Am]

So the rumor is now that the iPad 2 in April will be a moderate upgrade (as detailed in the WSJ article) and then a major upgrade with retina display will come in the fall of 2011. That seems like a departure from typical product cycling by Apple, but whatever.

http://www.tipb.com/2011/02/09/apple-preparing-ipad-3-september/

lol. Lets get these Apple fanboys to upgrade $600 devices every six months! ...and they will do it! :lmao2:

[theogt]

lol. Lets get these Apple fanboys to upgrade $600 devices every six months! ...and they will do it! :lmao2:If you can't afford certain luxury items, don't get them. Some people can. Personally I'm waiting for the retina display, which will be more than worth it.

[vta]

lol. Lets get these Apple fanboys to upgrade $600 devices every six months! ...and they will do it! :lmao2:


You'd be amazed. Some people spend over $3000., religiously on new towers when they come out. I do this for a living and couldn't afford any better than every 5-6 years.

[Sam I Am]

If you can't afford certain luxury items, don't get them. Some people can. Personally I'm waiting for the retina display, which will be more than worth it.

lol, if I can't? :lmao2:

[theogt]

lol, if I can't? :lmao2:Tis what I said.

[Sam I Am]

You'd be amazed. Some people spend over $3000., religiously on new towers when they come out. I do this for a living and couldn't afford any better than every 5-6 years.

I'm aware. Funny thing is, I remember people spending $3.5k on an Alienware or Falcon Northwest gaming systems and I would build a better one for $1,500. Damn fools.

[Sam I Am]

Tis what I said.

I bet my the land that my driveway consumes has more value that everything you own combined.

[theogt]

I bet my the land that my driveway consumes has more value that everything you own combined.Must be an expensive driveway.

[theebs]

I bet my the land that my driveway consumes has more value that everything you own combined.


I think you just won the award for biggest chris chris jackwagon on this site.

Congrats.

[vta]

I'm aware. Funny thing is, I remember people spending $3.5k on an Alienware or Falcon Northwest gaming systems and I would build a better one for $1,500. Damn fools.

That's insanity. That kind of money for games... Alienware has a nasty rep, too.
I looked into buying one and got an earful from many angles of how terrible they are with customer service.

[Sam I Am]

I think you just won the award for biggest chris chris jackwagon on this site.

Congrats.

Actually, I've already pmed with Theo explaining that that post was a mistake. :/

[Sam I Am]

That's insanity. That kind of money for games... Alienware has a nasty rep, too.
I looked into buying one and got an earful from many angles of how terrible they are with customer service.

Dell owns them now. *cough*

[Dallas]

Dell owns them now. *cough*

They have owned them for about 2 years now. The systems have been retooled and come w/ Dell's support/service which is 2nd to none, at least Gold support is.

I wish Dell would have continued w/ the XPS line of gaming systems for themselves than going out and buying Alienware.

The Alienware PC's are just stupid looking. Yeah I want to spend my $3000 on a new PC w/ great hardware but looks like a fishtank. No thanks!

Im not 15 anymore. :rolleyes:

BTW: My Warning count is still at 1. I thought these things went away after a few days? Huh...

YOU HAVE 1 warning Dallas because you are a BAD BAD BAD rule breaker and should be buried and put to the stone.

[vta]

Dell owns them now. *cough*

Is that good or bad? I just considered it for a 3D machine, but that was it. I'm glad I didn't bother.

[Sam I Am]

Is that good or bad? I just considered it for a 3D machine, but that was it. I'm glad I didn't bother.

Well, it was God awful early on. I have a Guy I work with that recently bought one and thus far he has given it rave reviews. He didn't get a real high end one. He said he spent about $1,200. He said for the money he got a great machine.

Other than that, I haven't seen anyone with one since Ila couple of months after Dell had bought then.

My dad is talking about getting a high end laptop and based o my friends word, I told him to check it out.

Just google for recent reviews before you layout your money.

[chicago JK]

Interesting how tablets are popping up in more and more companies already.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/technology/21tablet.html
After iPad’s Head Start, Rival Tablets Are Poised to Flood Offices
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(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/miguel_helft/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

Published: February 20, 2011


SAN FRANCISCO — The billboards promoting the iPad (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/ipad/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) have a simple message: The tablet is a device for leisure, to be held on one’s lap while lounging on a couch in casual clothes, to watch a film or read a magazine.

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Dr. Nir Cohen showing a patient an X-ray image on an Apple iPad at a hospital near Tel Aviv.


But plenty of businesses have something stodgier in mind. Companies as diverse as General Electric (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/general_electric_company/index.html?inline=nyt-org), Wells Fargo (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/wells_fargo_and_company/index.html?inline=nyt-org), Mercedes-Benz and Medtronic (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/medtronic_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org) are putting Apple (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/apple_computer_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org)’s iPad to work in their offices. And as a string of devices tailored for the office enters the market — from the likes of Motorola, Research In Motion (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/research-in-motion-ltd/index.html?inline=nyt-org), Samsung and Hewlett-Packard (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/hewlett_packard_corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org) — tablets are all but certain to flood America’s workplaces.
Ted Schadler, a vice president and principal analyst with Forrester Research, said he expected that tens of millions of tablets would be in use in America’s workplaces by 2015.

“That’s huge growth,” Mr. Schadler said. “It will be the fastest uptake of any device in the enterprise ever. Faster than PCs, faster than laptops and faster than smartphones.”

The new tablets are also expected to give the iPad, which has had the market largely to itself, a run for its money. R.I.M., which makes BlackBerry phones, and H.P. have long relationships with corporate technology buyers. For its part, Apple is hoping to stay ahead of competitors with a new version of the iPad, which may be unveiled as soon as next month.

The company, which sold nearly 15 million iPads in the nine months after the release of the device, won’t say how many were bought by businesses. But during a conference call with investors and analysts in January, the company said more than 80 percent of Fortune 100 companies were using or testing the iPad, an increase from 65 percent three months earlier. Among those companies, said Peter Oppenheimer, Apple’s chief financial officer, are JPMorgan Chase (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/morgan_j_p_chase_and_company/index.html?inline=nyt-org), Sears Holdings (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/sears_holdings_corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and DuPont (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/du_pont_de_nemours_and_company_e_i/index.html?inline=nyt-org).

Meanwhile, data from makers of business apps suggest that use in corporations is widespread. The tablet’s road to the workplace has been conventional at times, with technology departments buying them for employees. For example, Life Technologies, a California company that makes products for the biotech industry, has handed out iPads to some 600 executives and salespeople. But the tablets are also walking in through the back door, as employees bring their favorite new tech toy to work (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/business/media/25ipad.html) and demand access to their corporate e-mail, calendars and other applications.

The trend, which the industry calls “consumerization,” represents a significant shift from the last few decades, when the most advanced technologies were first available in the workplace and eventually migrated into consumer products.
“We can’t tell people not to use this technology at work,” said Brandon Edling, director of workplace technology at NBC Universal (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/nbc_universal/index.html?inline=nyt-org). “If we did, they would continue to use it and we would be in the dark about what they do.”
For all its inroads in the workplace, neither the iPad nor any other tablet has displaced the PC, the workhorse of information workers for three decades — at least not yet. But that hasn’t stopped Apple’s perennial rival, Microsoft (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/microsoft_corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org), from fretting over the tablet’s intrusion into the world of business computing, which it has dominated.

In a series of PowerPoint slides for its marketing partners, Microsoft recently raised questions about the viability of the iPad as a business tool.

“How do you secure your corporate I.P.?,” referring to intellectual property, read the slides, which appeared on ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/how-microsoft-plans-to-market-against-the-ipad/8513), a technology news site. “How do you demonstrate compliance to auditors?”

To a large extent the iPad’s entry into the business world was paved by the iPhone (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/i/iphone/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier). When Apple first released the iPhone, it lacked capabilities to link up securely with corporate e-mail systems. But as executives tried the device, they often preferred it to their BlackBerrys and other smartphones, and soon began demanding support for them.

Apple gradually added capabilities, and the iPhone became standard issue in scores of large businesses.

Companies that waited two or three years to support the iPhone began adopting the iPad just weeks after its release.
“It was a very natural extension to provide support for iPad because it runs on the same operating system,” said John Prusnick, director of information technology innovation and strategy at Hyatt (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/hyatt-hotels-corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org) Hotel & Resorts, which is based in Chicago. Mr. Prusnick said that at first Hyatt executives asked to use iPads at work. Then the company began giving them to its salespeople, so they could have easy access to interactive presentations about all the company’s properties when making pitches to business customers.
Now, in some of its hotels, Hyatt is giving iPads to “lobby ambassadors,” who use it to expedite guest checkouts when there are long lines, and who can offer concierge services on the fly.

General Electric has distributed approximately 2,000 iPads internally, and it developed a series of applications both for its employees and for its customers. One app allows employees to approve purchase orders on the go, while another allows utility service personnel to monitor G.E. transformers in the field

[REDVOLUTION]

Whats the point of tablets.

Yeah, more of a toy at this point.


they are displacing laptops and desktops

My wife bought an IPad, she loves it as does CCF jr as he can play a ton of games on it.

They currently lack the functionality to "displace" laptops. Truth is, most people have both or all three. A laptop, a PC/Mac and a IPad.



Agreed. To big to carry with you and no physical keyboard.

They have these plug in keyboard or these docking station type keyboard setups. Not practical for mobility.


Responses above.

I don't think people really recognize that tablets aren't laptops. They're not laptop replacements. If you want to replace your laptop with a tablet, you're going to be disappointed. They're going to have limited uses. If you want to read books/magazines/newspapers, surf the internet, watch videos, play games -- all in a very portable device -- then a tablet is for you. If you want complete functionality of a laptop or desktop, then don't get one.

Best "complete" answer!!! :)



Now, if you want what you say you are getting from iPad then it has to come like this.

Samsung tablet that slides out to laptop.

zHNfyeU0Bno

[theogt]

We'll find out on Wednesday what's in the new iPad and whether it's worth the wait.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/23/apples-holding-an-event-on-march-2nd-well-be-there-live/

[Dallas]

We'll find out on Wednesday what's in the new iPad and whether it's worth the wait.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/23/apples-holding-an-event-on-march-2nd-well-be-there-live/


It will have a front and rear camera in it and will have a sweet little OS update w/ some subtle changes to the asthetics and hardware. Nothing earth shattering.

Book that...

Oh and we are raising the price 100$ per device AND you will get it in white and maybe pink but not until the Dec 2011.

Can't wait to see that Im correct.

[REDVOLUTION]

http://i.dell.com/sites/content/Products/PublishingImages/laptop-inspiron-mini-duo-front-hero-504x350-awards.png



http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-duo/pd

[casmith07]

http://i.dell.com/sites/content/Products/PublishingImages/laptop-inspiron-mini-duo-front-hero-504x350-awards.png



http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-duo/pd

Looks like the same tablet/notebook computers they made a while ago that bombed out.

[Sam I Am]

Looks like the same tablet/notebook computers they made a while ago that bombed out.

Actually they didn't completely bomb out. Some businesses use them exclusively. (like mine) They are used *almost* exclusively on trading floors.

The general public didn't really see a need for them. Lets face it, using a stylist sucks for the most part. While you don't have to use one, for actually doing daily composition work on a touch screen would be horrendous.

[Dallas]

From Engadget: Rumblings of what to expect in the next iPad2

So what will we see on March 2nd? We're hearing it's most likely a thinner, spec-bumped variation of the original iPad with a screen size and resolution identical to the current model. More RAM (512MB) and a more powerful CPU (the A5) are expected as well. It's also a pretty safe bet the tablet will be sporting at least one camera up front -- though if some of those case mockups we've seen tell us anything, expect a shooter around back too. It's also almost guaranteed that we'll see the next version of iOS (number 5 in all likelihood, along with its SDK for devs), and an expansion of Apple's cloud services (that part is a little... foggy right now). Of course, that will perfectly set up Apple's announcement of the iPhone 5 in June, which is when iPad owners can likely expect to be using the new software. Regardless, we'll have the goods come next week, so stay tuned!

They say the SDcard and Higher Resolution displays will NOT make this update.


Makes one want to immediately run out and upgrade huh? :cool:

I encourage "those that can afford it", to do just that. /wink

[adbutcher]

they are displacing laptops and desktopsnetbooks

My wife bought an IPad, she loves it as does CCF jr as he can play a ton of games on it.

fixed...

[casmith07]

Actually they didn't completely bomb out. Some businesses use them exclusively. (like mine) They are used *almost* exclusively on trading floors.

The general public didn't really see a need for them. Lets face it, using a stylist sucks for the most part. While you don't have to use one, for actually doing daily composition work on a touch screen would be horrendous.

I didn't say they completely bombed, I just said they bombed.