James Carpenter Alabama

[CATCH17]

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I like this prospect and think he will be a good NFL Guard and if he can't start right now he will give us a Guard/Tackle backup.


Im wondering how high he will go in this draft but he would erase the Robert Brewster blunder imo.

[Randy White]

he would be a better tackle than a guard. He's not huge in his upper body, but has very good strong base, and he has excellent technique. The problem with him at guard is that he'd be facing the bigger linemen all the time, as opposed to Tackle, more specifically Right Tackle, who usually face lighter, but quicker, DE's. He's been a LT at Alabama, so he has experience there as well.

Wouldn't mind drafting him in the 3rd round ( if he's there ) if by some chance we go in other directions in the first 2 rounds. He's another one who I think could start right from the training camp, if not within a couple of games after because of his technique.

[CATCH17]

he would be a better tackle than a guard. He's not huge in his upper body, but has very good strong base, and he has excellent technique. The problem with him at guard is that he'd be facing the bigger linemen all the time, as opposed to Tackle, more specifically Right Tackle, who usually face lighter, but quicker, DE's. He's been a LT at Alabama, so he has experience there as well.

Wouldn't mind drafting him in the 3rd round ( if he's there ) if by some chance we go in other directions in the first 2 rounds. He's another one who I think could start right from the training camp, if not within a couple of games after because of his technique.

I just look at him and see a Guard. Like a Joseph type from Tampa.


If he is a Tackle I think he'll be just a guy. But at Guard is where I see his most potential.


He's a good run blocker too.

I think he could be exactly what we'd hoped Robert Brewster would turn into.

[CATCH17]

Check him out @ LT in this game...


If Robert Brewster is a 3rd rounder surely this guy is too.

Wisniewski is the RG for Penn State btw.


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[jnday]

Carpenter seems like a good prospect. I have watched him in several games this year and he seems solid.

[TheCount]

Check him out @ LT in this game...


If Robert Brewster is a 3rd rounder surely this guy is too.

Wisniewski is the RG for Penn State btw.

I'm not sure that's the guy you want to invoke in this particular regard. :laugh2:

[Randy White]

clip, Catch..

It reinforces my evaluation of him. He does not have the biggest or strongest upperbody, but he has a very, very solid base, which makes up for it. He will need to get stronger in the chest and arms area in order to deal with NFL players, but his technique is terrific. Look at how he stays in front of his man by moving his feet constantly. That's easier said than done and something that's THE biggest problem with tackles.

That's also why I'm hesitant to play him at guard. As I said before, there's a big difference between facing the Ndamukong Suh, Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Albert Haynesworth, B.J. Raji etc..etc, of the NFL and facing the of much lighter, even though quicker, DE's and OLBs. I just don't think he'll be able to handle the bigger linemen inside at this point.

[CATCH17]

clip, Catch..

It reinforces my evaluation of him. He does not have the biggest or strongest upperbody, but he has a very, very solid base, which makes up for it. He will need to get stronger in the chest and arms area in order to deal with NFL players, but his technique is terrific. Look at how he stays in front of his man by moving his feet constantly. That's easier said than done and something that's THE biggest problem with tackles.

That's also why I'm hesitant to play him at guard. As I said before, there's a big difference between facing the Ndamukong Suh, Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Albert Haynesworth, B.J. Raji etc..etc, of the NFL and facing the of much lighter, even though quicker, DE's and OLBs. I just don't think he'll be able to handle the bigger linemen inside at this point.


Good points but I still just see him as an impact player @ Guard.


I don't really like him as a left guard that much. More of a RG.

Just get some more strength in this guys body and he will be a quality player imo.

[dbair1967]

Really like this kid. He's played very well for a bigtime program under a bigtime coach.

He looked really solid in the Senior Bowl too, and he played LT the whole game I believe.

[28 Joker]

He could start here, imo.

The day that he was drafted, he would be Dallas' second best OT.

Mark Colombo was the worst RT that I saw all season long, and I don't look for him to be on the team next year. Colombo should have been replaced after the 2009 season. He's done. He had a nice little run, considering where he came from, as far as his health.

I like Carpenter, but I read where an NFL scout smiled when asked about him by a pretty good draft analyst, meaning that he's moved up. He was a third or fourth round guy. However, this article stated that he could go as early as late round 2 or early round 3. He is no guarantee to get to Dallas in round 3, where his true value probably is located. Those OTs are going to rise, and the rise is being compared to the 2008 run on OTs.

If Dallas doesn't take an OT at 9, I think there is a real good chance that they get completely left out. Gilbert form Florida is another 3rd-4th round player who helped himself in Mobile and was mentioned as a late 2 or early 3 projection in the same article. If you are lucky, you may get one of these two guys. LSU has an OT projected to go in the mid rounds (Joseph Barksdale) who I have seen rated in round 3. It wouldn't be a bad move to draft an OT at 9 and still try to get one of these players.

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It looks like those are the options at 9 right now. It's a deep CB class, so that CB at nine better be dang good if I'm passing on the best OT in this draft (or one of the two best) or a DE like Dareus or Jordan. I'm really hoping that the Cowboys have Derek Sherrod rated high. He may not be flashy, but he has upside and could be a borderline Pro Bowl player or get to that level. He is a solid, safe pick who could come in and start at RT and give you LT ability with upside. Bunting rated Sherrod a 7.0 to Smith's 7.5.

Dallas played 16 games with Colombo last year and started a 6th round pick at RT in 2005. A rookie can get this job done, and I'm hoping that Dallas goes in that direction.

[Gaede]

Good prospect...I like the way he moves, and seems plenty big enough to me. I really like this guy, good call

[The Realist]

That's another Jerry like pick.

Keep mining OL down in 3-5 until you hit.

[jnday]

That's another Jerry like pick.

Keep mining OL down in 3-5 until you hit.

You got that right. It`s not a bad ideal if your existing line is in top shape , but when you are trying to upgrade and build a line , it sux. Carpenter wouldn`t be a bad mid-round pick , but I wish Jerry would start investing earlier in the draft to rebuild this line. I can`t understand how Jerry could have played on the OL in college and he still undervalues the positions as an owner.

[Randy White]

I can`t understand how Jerry could have played on the OL in college and he still undervalues the positions as an owner.


Come on now.. That's a ridiculous statement to make.

THE 2 positions where the Cowboys have spent the most resources in the new century are LB and OL.. From draft picks to free agent signings.

Now, that they haven't worked out is one thing, and even that's subjective because not too long ago the Cowboys had one of the best O-line in the league, but to say that Jerry has undervalued the position is incredibly inaccurate.

[jnday]

Come on now.. That's a ridiculous statement to make.

THE 2 positions where the Cowboys have spent the most resources in the new century are LB and OL.. From draft picks to free agent signings.

Now, that they haven't worked out is one thing, and even that's subjective because not too long ago the Cowboys had one of the best O-line in the league, but to say that Jerry has undervalued the position is incredibly inaccurate.

I don`t see where the statement is so ridiculous at all. For the most part, low-round draft picks and cast-off free agents are not working. Dallas had a good line for a year or two in the last decade, but in truth, the line has been a problem since the late 90s . Jerry has said repeatedly that he doesn`t want OL with high picks in the draft. The result is what you see on the field now.

[dbair1967]

I don`t see where the statement is so ridiculous at all. For the most part, low-round draft picks and cast-off free agents are not working. Dallas had a good line for a year or two in the last decade, but in truth, the line has been a problem since the late 90s . Jerry has said repeatedly that he doesn`t want OL with high picks in the draft. The result is what you see on the field now.

Its not totally from lack of trying.

Since 1998 they used 2nd rd picks on guys Flozelle Adams, Solomon Page, Andre Gurode, Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers

They used 3rd rd picks on Stephen Peterman, James Marten and Robert Brewster

They've put sollars into a number of significant free agents too.

[jnday]

Its not totally from lack of trying.

Since 1998 they used 2nd rd picks on guys Flozelle Adams, Solomon Page, Andre Gurode, Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers

They used 3rd rd picks on Stephen Peterman, James Marten and Robert Brewster

They've put sollars into a number of significant free agents too.

They may have put some effort in at some levels, but the results have been horrible. With the exception of Adams and Gurode the draft picks have been bad. Most of the players that you have listed , with exception of Brewster , are picks from several years ago. It seems when one of these picks bust , there is no effort to replace them. The current line is an example of the results and to be honest , this line is similar in quality to several lines in the past 15 years. The playoff loss to the Vikings should have been a wake up call that the line needs to be addressed. What happens ? Jerry waits to the late rounds to draft Young , cut Flozell , and signs Alex Barron. Any poster on this forum could have done that bad of a job. This years draft will be the same . The OL will be overlooked and a "wow" player or two will be signed and everybody will be happy until the season starts and the OL sucks again.

[CATCH17]

I don`t see where the statement is so ridiculous at all. For the most part, low-round draft picks and cast-off free agents are not working. Dallas had a good line for a year or two in the last decade, but in truth, the line has been a problem since the late 90s . Jerry has said repeatedly that he doesn`t want OL with high picks in the draft. The result is what you see on the field now.

I think a better way of saying it is the Cowboys have done too much bargain shopping and have got what they have payed for.

[dbair1967]

They may have put some effort in at some levels, but the results have been horrible. With the exception of Adams and Gurode the draft picks have been bad. Most of the players that you have listed , with exception of Brewster , are picks from several years ago. It seems when one of these picks bust , there is no effort to replace them. The current line is an example of the results and to be honest , this line is similar in quality to several lines in the past 15 years. The playoff loss to the Vikings should have been a wake up call that the line needs to be addressed. What happens ? Jerry waits to the late rounds to draft Young , cut Flozell , and signs Alex Barron. Any poster on this forum could have done that bad of a job. This years draft will be the same . The OL will be overlooked and a "wow" player or two will be signed and everybody will be happy until the season starts and the OL sucks again.

We'll see I guess

[jnday]

I think a better way of saying it is the Cowboys have done too much bargain shopping and have got what they have payed for.

That is a very good way of putting it.

[Randy White]

I don`t see where the statement is so ridiculous at all. For the most part, low-round draft picks and cast-off free agents are not working. Dallas had a good line for a year or two in the last decade, but in truth, the line has been a problem since the late 90s . Jerry has said repeatedly that he doesn`t want OL with high picks in the draft. The result is what you see on the field now.

" Cast off free agents " ? There's nothing " cast off " about Leonard Davis, Marco Rivera, or even Kyle Kosier. They all cost a pretty penny to sign. As for " low draft picks ", that's another ridiculous statement. Just because the Cowboys haven't spent a #1 draft pick since 1981 on an offensive lineman, which dates back to even before Jerry bought the team, doesn't mean they haven't spent high draft picks on them.

Since the begining of this century ( 2000 ) the Cowboys have spent SIX 2nd and/or 3rd rnd draft picks in 11 drafts on the offensive line. The only other position where the Cowboys have spent as many high picks ( including two #1s ) over that same time span is at linebacker, with the secondary 1 pick behind at FIVE.

Once again, it's NOT the lack of resources that's been the problem, it's the lack of development and/or talent evaluation and Jerry doesn't have anything to do with either directly.

[jnday]

" Cast off free agents " ? There's nothing " cast off " about Leonard Davis, Marco Rivera, or even Kyle Kosier. They all cost a pretty penny to sign. As for " low draft picks ", that's another ridiculous statement. Just because the Cowboys haven't spent a #1 draft pick since 1981 on an offensive lineman, which dates back to even before Jerry bought the team, doesn't mean they haven't spent high draft picks on them.

Since the begining of this century ( 2000 ) the Cowboys have spent SIX 2nd and/or 3rd rnd draft picks in 11 drafts on the offensive line. The only other position where the Cowboys have spent as many high picks ( including two #1s ) over that same time span is at linebacker, with the secondary 1 pick behind at FIVE.

Once again, it's NOT the lack of resources that's been the problem, it's the lack of development and/or talent evaluation and Jerry doesn't have anything to do with either directly.

Well first you can look at the free agents that you named ; Davis played good for a couple of years , I will give you that , he was not so great with the Cards , in fact some labeled him a bust , but he was used as a tackle ; Rivera , How did that work out? He was at the end of his career IMO. ; Kosier has been ok when he hasn`t been injured , average player at best. On to the next point. The OL requires more picks . It is the biggest unit on the football field. The last few years Young and Brewster have been the picks. These are not top picks at all IMO. I agree with you that the talent evaluation had been bad , but when a pick fails , I have not seen much effort in addressing that failure. The way that you are looking at is that if a 2nd or 3rd round pick was used several years ago , that is considering addressing the line. I look at it as as simple as this . When the line is fixed , I will consider it addressed. For the last 2 or 3 years the line has been in decline . What has been done ? I am not a Jerry hater , in fact , I think most of the bashing is silly. My biggest complaint is that when a pick fails , his general thinking is similar to yours. We used this many picks and this many free agents were signed . It is taken care of . In case you haven`t noticed , the line still socks. That point can not be debated. Scouting and player evaluation have really hurt , but as Jerry has said , the buck stops with him.

[Randy White]

Well first you can look at the free agents that you named ; Davis played good for a couple of years , I will give you that , he was not so great with the Cards , in fact some labeled him a bust , but he was used as a tackle ; Rivera , How did that work out? .


A) Leonard Davis has been with the Cowboys for 4 years and in 3 of them he's been named to the Pro Bowl.

B) You've written a 150+ words post to say that your problem is with the results, which NOBODY is arguing with.

Where you went wrong is when you stated that Jerry " undervalues " the offensive line when the evidence shows the exact opposite. You don't undervalue anything you spend the most resources on.. If he truly undervalued the offensive line, he would have treated it like he does kickers.

That's just like the people who were calling Jerry Jones cheap because he didn't sign any free agents this past off-season but fail to noticed that the Cowboys had THE highest payroll in the NFL. Or at least one of the highest.

[jnday]

A) Leonard Davis has been with the Cowboys for 4 years and in 3 of them he's been named to the Pro Bowl.

B) You've written a 150+ words post to say that your problem is with the results, which NOBODY is arguing with.

Where you went wrong is when you stated that Jerry " undervalues " the offensive line when the evidence shows the exact opposite. You don't undervalue anything you spend the most resources on.. If he truly undervalued the offensive line, he would have treated it like he does kickers.

That's just like the people who were calling Jerry Jones cheap because he didn't sign any free agents this past off-season but fail to noticed that the Cowboys had THE highest payroll in the NFL. Or at least one of the highest.

We will agree to disagree. In few words as possible , I don`t think Alex Barron and Sam Young is addressing the problem. That is just using this last year as an example.