Hines Ward

[Hostile]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.

[bigE79]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.Dirty player and cheapshot artist...no thanks:star:

[BrAinPaiNt]

I like Brett Keisel better...because of the beard...for now. I have heard he is going to shave it off so he loses any respect I had for him.

Actually the steeler I have the most respect and love for is...Dick Lebeau.

[jimmy40]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.someone called him out in the game thread and he immediately had a huge catch and then a TD right before halftime. It was pretty funny.

[Hostile]

Dirty player and cheapshot artist...no thanks:star:I expected this response and not a lot of support. I do not see him as dirty, I do see him as hard nosed and I love that.

[Sam I Am]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.

He is a dirty player and of course a steroid user. (like most if not all Stealer players)

[Sam I Am]

I expected this response and not a lot of support. I do not see him as dirty, I do see him as hard nosed and I love that.

His 296 if his own peers voted him the dirtiest player in the NFL in 2009 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/11/04/dirty/index.html).

[Idgit]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.

Mine, too. The dirty player rep is nonsense, too, AFAICT. So you need to keep your head on a swivel, or he'll block you hard. Then keep your head on swivel. I'd have a player like him on my team, any day.

[Hostile]

Mine, too. The dirty player rep is nonsense, too, AFAICT. So you need to keep your head on a swivel, or he'll block you hard. Then keep your head on swivel. I'd have a player like him on my team, any day.Exactly man. I have never seen him go for the head or the knees, but he will knock the living crap out of you.

He plays hard every single play whether the ball is coming to him or not and once he catches it he tries to dish out some punishment on the tackler. That's football and I respect him for it.

[WV Cowboy]

Mendenahal, Polamalu, H. Miller, .. I like.

Can't stand H. Ward.

He has been called the toughest player in the NFL, .. when the other player isn't looking.

His stupid grin is fake too. He grins even if he screws up. He grins when he shouldn't, it's weird.

Can't stand Pig Pen either. He is a serial rapist, has been for years since he was at Miami, everyone knows it, and he has the audacity to point to God after something goes good.

LaBeau is awesome, .. not a big Tomlin fan.

[Danny White]

Ward looks like he's gained a lot of weight lately. He's ballooned up more than Christina Aguilera.

[Rynie]

He didn't have that normal stupid smirk on his face yesterday. That dude looks like a Disney character.

[juck]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.
U better duck for saying this. Just cause he plays on a certain team doesnt mean he isnt a great player. Hines ward is a beast. He is a bit over the hill now. I do understand what ur saying though.

[Hostile]

U better duck for saying this. Just cause he plays on a certain team doesnt mean he isnt a great player. Hines ward is a beast. He is a bit over the hill now. I do understand what ur saying though.He may be over the hill, but the guy will fight anyone who tries to climb the hill to take his spot.

Not gonna duck, I genuinely like the way he plays.

[juck]

He may be over the hill, but the guy will fight anyone who tries to climb the hill to take his spot.

Not gonna duck, I genuinely like the way he plays.
Well i genuinely feel Mendenhall is better then Felix but got thrashed for it.

[Eric_Boyer]

Exactly man. I have never seen him go for the head or the knees, but he will knock the living crap out of you.

He plays hard every single play whether the ball is coming to him or not and once he catches it he tries to dish out some punishment on the tackler. That's football and I respect him for it.

yep, he will block the living crap out of you even when you are out of the play.

which is why his peers largely consider him one of the dirtiest players in the game.

[WV Cowboy]

his peers largely consider him one of the dirtiest players in the game.

That is huge.

[BAZ]

Exactly man. I have never seen him go for the head or the knees, but he will knock the living crap out of you.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRmLcOkHuUE

You don't think that was going for the head? He acts like he's going to engage the first DB and then hauls off on Reed's chin. I have no problem with people liking him, but he is dirty.

[tyke1doe]

His 296 if his own peers voted him the dirtiest player in the NFL in 2009 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/11/04/dirty/index.html).

Because they expect wide receivers to take being bullied instead of hitting back.

All the plays I've seen Ward make where he's blocking opposing players are legitimate plays. So he cleans their clock on blocks when they're not looking. It's not like it's after the play. It's during the play.

And you're supposed to have your head on a swivel if you don't want your block knocked off.

I'm with Hostile. Ward is a tough son of a gun, and he aint gonna take no mess. He's going to hit you back. If that makes him dirty because he doesn't go quietly to the turf, then so be it.

[burntricersx]

Because they expect wide receivers to take being bullied instead of hitting back.

All the plays I've seen Ward make where he's blocking opposing players are legitimate plays. So he cleans their clock on blocks when they're not looking. It's not like it's after the play. It's during the play.

And you're supposed to have your head on a swivel if you don't want your block knocked off.

I'm with Hostile. Ward is a tough son of a gun, and he aint gonna take no mess. He's going to hit you back. If that makes him dirty because he doesn't go quietly to the turf, then so be it.

:hammer:

It's not dirty if a defensive player lays a guy out, hell, they'd put it on SportsCenter as a highlight or a Jacked Up segment. But when an offensive player does it, especially a WR since they're supposed to divas and shy away from contact, it's dirty?

And that poll was of 296 players where 11.6% of player said he's dirty...that's 35 players. Not even close to a majority. That doesn't even qualify for a minority...

[Hostile]

Well i genuinely feel Mendenhall is better then Felix but got thrashed for it.I am not saying Ward is better than anyone and trying to stir up trouble. There's a slight difference there.

[Hostile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRmLcOkHuUE

You don't think that was going for the head? He acts like he's going to engage the first DB and then hauls off on Reed's chin. I have no problem with people liking him, but he is dirty.No, I don't. He hits him shoulder high.

[Sam I Am]

He is a piece of crap just like all other Stealers.

/thread

[tyke1doe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRmLcOkHuUE

You don't think that was going for the head? He acts like he's going to engage the first DB and then hauls off on Reed's chin. I have no problem with people liking him, but he is dirty.

That was a dirty hit? :lmao2:

Pulease. Ward folds his arms and gets under Reed. Ward is trying to "lift" Reed off his feet, which is what you're supposed to do or how you're taught to block.

Look, defenders don't like getting their bell's rung. They want to dish out all the punishment.

Ward says, "Forget that. I'm blocking just as hard for my guys as you would tackle just as hard for your guys."

I wish we had a player like Ward on the Cowboys.

[BAZ]

That was a dirty hit? :lmao2: .

Wow, it's like you didn't even attempt to read what I wrote.

[Teren_Kanan]

Love Hines Ward.

He's not the most amazing WR but he's pretty clutch. All heart and plays HARD.

[tyke1doe]

Wow, it's like you didn't even attempt to read what I wrote.

I read your response and watched the video. You used the video as evidence to support your claim that Ward is a dirty player (Why else would you offer it?) That wasn't a dirty hit. He cleaned Reed's clock while blocking for a teammate. That's what you're supposed to do. Don't get mad at Ward because he plays the game hard.

[rkell87]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.
he is one of my favorite players in the league, i love the way he plays the WR position, i wish he was a cowboy, or at least not on the steelers

[Achilleslastand]

He gives his all and is a superior blocker but as far as being up there with Rice,Irvin etc he isnt even close.
He cant work the sidelines and has to get open in a trips or stack formation. Also his defender getting picked out of the play helps him a lot too.
Hes a good receiver but totally overrated

[CanuckCowboysFan]

He looks like he runs his routes really slow. That might be part of the play but that just sticks out at me. Everytime I've watched him play.

I like his attitude, but not his skillset. He'll be a 3 WR here, and his skillset requires him to be out wide where he can use his physicality, not in the slot where there's cushion galore.

[Hoofbite]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.

I agree. He plays the game like it should be played and shows up when needed.

[Hoofbite]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRmLcOkHuUE

You don't think that was going for the head? He acts like he's going to engage the first DB and then hauls off on Reed's chin. I have no problem with people liking him, but he is dirty.

Failing to pre-notify the recipient of a perfectly clean de-cleater doesn't make someone a dirty player.

I was actually going to post that video as a reason why I love the way he plays.

[big dog cowboy]

I don't need any kind of poll to tell me what I already know, Hines Ward is a tough guy, good player, good teammate, good blocker and is a dirty player.

[burntricersx]

He looks like he runs his routes really slow. That might be part of the play but that just sticks out at me. Everytime I've watched him play.

I like his attitude, but not his skillset. He'll be a 3 WR here, and his skillset requires him to be out wide where he can use his physicality, not in the slot where there's cushion galore.

I'd take his slow *** and great attitude over RW11 any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

I'd take his slow *** and great attitude over RW11 any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I wouldn't. Roy was having a hell of a year before Tony went down.

[BAZ]

I read your response and watched the video. You used the video as evidence to support your claim that Ward is a dirty player (Why else would you offer it?) That wasn't a dirty hit. He cleaned Reed's clock while blocking for a teammate. That's what you're supposed to do. Don't get mad at Ward because he plays the game hard.

Right, so tricking Reed into thinking he's engaging someone else and then hitting him in the chin as soon as he looks away isn't a cheap shot? And don't give me that it's in the rules of the game, keep your head on the swivel BS. Ward was setting him up, which isn't cheating, but it is dirty. Besides all this back and forth is irrelevant, he's been fined for late hits a couple of few times. How many receivers can you say that about? Plays hard, plays dirty.

[tyke1doe]

Right, so tricking Reed into thinking he's engaging someone else and then hitting him in the chin as soon as he looks away isn't a cheap shot? And don't give me that it's in the rules of the game, keep your head on the swivel BS. Ward was setting him up, which isn't cheating, but it is dirty. Besides all this back and forth is irrelevant, he's been fined for late hits a couple of few times. How many receivers can you say that about? Plays hard, plays dirty.


You're kidding, right?

Maybe Ward is so cerebral that he knows that Reed is faster than No. 27 and moves to take Reed out instead.

You want a player who understands the game so intimately that he can think at the drop of a dime, "Hhhm, Reed is faster than the other guy and probably will get to my teammate quicker so I'll take out Reed."

Second, so peeling off your block to get another blocker is dirty? :huh:
Uh, we teach our blockers to do that all the time - at the middle school level. You hope that your guys can think that quickly to pick up the man who stands the greater chance of making the tackle.

Third, did Ward say he was setting up Reed? If so, where did he say this? Or are you making this up?

Sorry, buddy. This is football. You're allowed to peel off a block and get an opponent who may stand a greater chance of tackling your teammate. This isn't touch football.

I find it absolutely amazing that defensive players have the nerve to say Ward is dirty. :laugh2: The man is a gamer, PERIOD. He understands that football is a violent sport, and that offensive players can administer punishment too.

[tyke1doe]

Right, so tricking Reed into thinking he's engaging someone else and then hitting him in the chin as soon as he looks away isn't a cheap shot? And don't give me that it's in the rules of the game, keep your head on the swivel BS. Ward was setting him up, which isn't cheating, but it is dirty. Besides all this back and forth is irrelevant, he's been fined for late hits a couple of few times. How many receivers can you say that about? Plays hard, plays dirty.

Oh, and for the record, Ward was fined primarily for late hits. Defensive players are fined for late hits frequently. So? That's part of the brutal nature of football. Sometimes, guys can't stop their momentum in time. All "late hits" aren't equal even if it's the same penalty call.

And who don't other receivers get fined for late hits? Maybe because they're not as physical in blocking as Reed is? Duh!

[BAZ]

You're kidding, right?

Maybe Ward is so cerebral that he knows that Reed is faster than No. 27 and moves to take Reed out instead.



ME!?! You have just got to be trolling at this point. I thought your weekly threads lowered IQ's but this is a new standard for you.

[WV Cowboy]

I don't need any kind of poll to tell me what I already know, Hines Ward is a tough guy, good player, good teammate, good blocker and is a dirty player.

This is a pretty good post.

He is tough and plays hard, but what his peers say about him speaks volumes.

They voted him as the dirtiest player.

One said he is the toughest player, .. when the other guy isn't looking.:D

[tyke1doe]

ME!?! You have just got to be trolling at this point. I thought your weekly threads lowered IQ's but this is a new standard for you.

So juvenile. You don't like my opinion on this matter so you attack me on some unrelated topic. Nice.

I'm not trolling. I'm answering your question. Remember, you quoted me.

Again, my argument follows basic football. Your comments about Ward "setting up" Reed are laughable. Do you really think Ward faked blocking to lure Reed into a punishing block? Where is your proof?

Or have you never heard of a blocker peeling off one man and picking up another? I guess those instances amount to a "set up" too? :laugh2:

I wish Gronkowski had learned to "set up" better. Maybe, then, Romo would have been laying on the turf at Cowboys Stadium with a broken collarbone. :(

[tyke1doe]

This is a pretty good post.

He is tough and plays hard, but what his peers say about him speaks volumes.

They voted him as the dirtiest player.

One said he is the toughest player, .. when the other guy isn't looking.:D

When you're on the football field, you're always supposed to be looking. That's like walking train tracks with your eyes closed. :laugh2:

[WV Cowboy]

When you're on the football field, you're always supposed to be looking. That's like walking train tracks with your eyes closed. :laugh2:

You know as well as I do that there is a difference between taking a man head on, and getting him when he's not looking.

Like closing your eyes if the train already has passed, or closing your eyes while listening for the train whistle warning is different than ignorantly walking train tracks with your eyes closed.

I really haven't given my opinion here, .. this is what other players have said about him.

He is dirty, his peers think so, .. I think they know better than you or I.

[AbeBeta]

I hate the Steelers, but I have always had tremendous respect for this guy and the way he plays the game. If he had been a Dallas Cowboy I honestly think he would be one of my absolute favorite players.

I read something about concussions the other day -- they interviewed Ward and he said something like "if I feel I can go out there who the hell is a doctor to tell me I can't?" Mike Tomlin was also interviewed - Tomlin was for the league rules on holding guys out -- when told of Ward's comments he said "Hines would want to go out on the field with a broken leg. That's just the kind of player he is"

[tyke1doe]

You know as well as I do that there is a difference between taking a man head on, and getting him when he's not looking.

Uh, the play where Ward clocks Reed, I find it hard to believe Reed didn't see Ward.

Like closing your eyes if the train already has passed, or closing your eyes while listening for the train whistle warning is different than ignorantly walking train tracks with your eyes closed.

The train hasn't passed if it still is in front of you. Ward makes those plays while the play is happening. He's trying to block guys who are bearing down on his teammate. He just brings it and brings it hard. And that's why players complain.



He is dirty, his peers think so, .. I think they know better than you or I.

And yet when other players and ex-players who know better about the NFL than you or I say Tony Romo needs to step up his game or when someone like Ed Werder who has greater access to the Cowboys than you or I says something negative about the club, they're just spewing rhetoric.

[BAZ]

Again, my argument follows basic football. Your comments about Ward "setting up" Reed are laughable. Do you really think Ward faked blocking to lure Reed into a punishing block? Where is your proof?


My proof is in the video. Trying watching it a little closer.

[casmith07]

Not a fan. I'd rather have Panthers Steve Smith.

[tyke1doe]

My proof is in the video. Trying watching it a little closer.

I did. Watched it several times. And it didn't include any thought bubbles hovering over Ward's head with the words, "I'm setting up Reed to take him out." :laugh2:

[WV Cowboy]

Uh, the play where Ward clocks Reed, I find it hard to believe Reed didn't see Ward.


That wasn't me discussing that one play with you. I am not basing this on one play. I'm talking about his whole career, .. I'm only going on what other NFL players are saying.

You like him, that's fine, but his reputation is being a dirty player.

And yet when other players and ex-players who know better about the NFL than you or I say Tony Romo needs to step up his game or when someone like Ed Werder who has greater access to the Cowboys than you or I says something negative about the club, they're just spewing rhetoric.

Not sure where this came from strawman!

[BAZ]

I did. Watched it several times. And it didn't include any thought bubbles hovering over Ward's head with the words, "I'm setting up Reed to take him out." :laugh2:

Of course it didn't, because life is not a comic book, you clown. If you want, I can upload the vid to youtube, add the thought bubbles and put your tiny mind at rest. These cows are small, but those are far away.

[tyke1doe]

That wasn't me discussing that one play with you. I am not basing this on one play. I'm talking about his whole career, .. I'm only going on what other NFL players are saying.

Fair enough.


You like him, that's fine, but his reputation is being a dirty player.

One man's dirty is another man's meanness.



Not sure where this came from strawman!

Yeah, it was a strawman. :)

[tyke1doe]

Of course it didn't, because life is not a comic book, you clown. If you want, I can upload the vid to youtube, add the thought bubbles and put your tiny mind at rest. These cows are small, but those are far away.

Whoosh! The sound of sarcasm sails clearly over another poster's head. :laugh2:

Look, you have no ability to prove Ward was setting up Reed than the next hater. Though I do understand from reading comic books, some heroes have the ability to read people's thoughts. ;)

[Dodger]

Oh jeez.

So he plays a physical game. I've watched Ward play for years, and yeah, sometimes he takes defenders out when they aren't looking. So what? The hits he makes are, for the most part, legal, like the one that's linked in a post above.

What's he supposed to do, wait until he gets the defender's attention before engaging him? I think his peers chose him as the dirtiest because they're probably embarrassed from being on the receiving end of a WR who can block like he can.

Personally, I think the Cowboys could use more players like him.

[WV Cowboy]

I think his peers chose him as the dirtiest because they're probably embarrassed from being on the receiving end of a WR who can block like he can.

This makes sense since there are so many sissy-like cowards on the defensive side of the ball in the NFL.

Personally, I think the Cowboys could use more players like him.

We could use a few, that's for sure.

[BAZ]

Whoosh! The sound of sarcasm sails clearly over another poster's head. :laugh2:


Clearly...

[bracey]

He gives his all and is a superior blocker but as far as being up there with Rice,Irvin etc he isnt even close.
He cant work the sidelines and has to get open in a trips or stack formation. Also his defender getting picked out of the play helps him a lot too.
Hes a good receiver but totally overrated

I don't think he's overrated. Maybe by Steeler fans, but I don't blame them. He's been a top 10 WR for a decade. He plays tough and makes the most of his talent. People are complaining about him being dirty? If he was a Cowboy you'd love those plays.

Another similar receiver that I've admired for the last few years is Derrick Mason.