NFL Determining Who To Invite To Draft: Quinn Concerns?

[SDogo]

I found this interesting.

I got this from a colleague who works on the NFL Draft Advisory board and is part of the NFL Draft Production Committee who's partial responsibility is deciding which prospects will receive an invite to the draft.

Some of the names you will likely see invited will be of no surprise but there is some debate on Robert Quinn and like they have done with borderline players the last 2 years, they are considering having a meeting with Quinn and giving him the option to attend and back out at certain point during the draft if he wants to.

Seems the concern is, while consulting with various teams, esp those inside the top 10 there seems to be no determined market for Quinn.

Could we see a Dez like drop of a top 10 talent to the late first round?

I find it hard to believe a player with his skill set would be ignored for so long but we have seen scenario's like this play out in the past.

[BrAinPaiNt]

One would have to guess that there is more to his past problems that we just do not know if he does fall or does not get invited.

Every year there are some that did go to the combine and everyone is really puzzled when they fall a great deal, even a number of rounds instead of just a number of spots in a round.

Then later we find out they tested positive for drugs or something but most of that info is hush hush until later.

[ThreeandOut]

Since he didn't play last year, the Combine/individual workout will go a long way in determining his draft stock. Dez's stock started to fall because (if I'm remembering correctly), he delayed his workout and his workouts were okay but not spectacular. If the workouts are good, Quinn may not be top 10, but I don't think he will fall as far as Dez (assuming no other background issues arise).

[TheCount]

Since he didn't play last year, the Combine/individual workout will go a long way in determining his draft stock. Dez's stock started to fall because (if I'm remembering correctly), he delayed his workout and his workouts were okay but not spectacular. If the workouts are good, Quinn may not be top 10, but I don't think he will fall as far as Dez (assuming no other background issues arise).

Dez's on-field resume was certainly stronger than Quinn's and he still slid, which is crazy.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You know, if you really break this player down, you wonder why the production was not greater. Seriously, he has exceptional physical skills but, he doesn't get off the snap. He doesn't really play the run all that well. He doesn't anchor, he doesn't get off blocks. He could, he just doesn't. Ed Wang of VT just thumped him in the VTech game. I mean, he just handled him. I just don't know what to think of this kid. You put that together with the character issues and throw in the fact that he had Brain Surgery to remove tumors in his brain as a Sr. in HS and I can see why a lot of teams have questions. After that operation, the doctors told him he should not play football but he did. I don't know.

[CanuckCowboysFan]

You know, if you really break this player down, you wonder why the production was not greater. Seriously, he has exceptional physical skills but, he doesn't get off the snap. He doesn't really play the run all that well. He doesn't anchor, he doesn't get off blocks. He could, he just doesn't. Ed Wang of VT just thumped him in the VTech game. I mean, he just handled him. I just don't know what to think of this kid. You put that together with the character issues and throw in the fact that he had Brain Surgery to remove tumors in his brain as a Sr. in HS and I can see why a lot of teams have questions. After that operation, the doctors told him he should not play football but he did. I don't know.


At least Wang was a draftable prospect. Your boy Aldon Smith got DOMINATED by Oklahoma LT (I forget his name, something Donald) just humiliated Smith. Go watch the game.

Quinn is the best pass rusher in this draft. By far. And he will be a stud in the NFL. 270 4.5 and strong as a bull.

What character concerns are you talking about? He's a humble kid. Brain tumors don't count as character concerns.

[ABQCOWBOY]

At least Wang was a draftable prospect. Your boy Aldon Smith got DOMINATED by Oklahoma LT (I forget his name, something Donald) just humiliated Smith. Go watch the game.

Quinn is the best pass rusher in this draft. By far. And he will be a stud in the NFL. 270 4.5 and strong as a bull.

What character concerns are you talking about? He's a humble kid. Brain tumors don't count as character concerns.

He took money from agents. That's why he got suspended. That's the character concerns the scouts are talking about.

I assume you are talking about this year's OU game. Yeah, he did not play well in that game. That was his first game back after the injury. Smith broke his leg in the San Diego State game. He missed Miami, Colorado and TAM (three games) and came back for the OU game. It's true, he didn't play well in that game. Donald Stephenson is the guy you are thinking of. He's a Jr. so he may or may not get drafted. I think he probably will but we will see next year I suppose.

[Hostile]

The NFL doesn't invite him, but if we pass on him in favor of Spencer our fans will flip their lids.

[TheCount]

You know, if you really break this player down, you wonder why the production was not greater. Seriously, he has exceptional physical skills but, he doesn't get off the snap. He doesn't really play the run all that well. He doesn't anchor, he doesn't get off blocks. He could, he just doesn't. Ed Wang of VT just thumped him in the VTech game. I mean, he just handled him. I just don't know what to think of this kid. You put that together with the character issues and throw in the fact that he had Brain Surgery to remove tumors in his brain as a Sr. in HS and I can see why a lot of teams have questions. After that operation, the doctors told him he should not play football but he did. I don't know.

Whoa there, you're questioning the mighty Quinn? Don't you know that IF he had played this year, he'd have had 45 Sacks? I mean he's a hybrid of Ware, Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, Mario Williams, Clay Matthews and Brian Orakpo. You really should know better. :D

[ABQCOWBOY]

Whoa there, you're questioning the mighty Quinn? Don't you know that IF he had played this year, he'd have had 45 Sacks? I mean he's a hybrid of Ware, Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, Mario Williams, Clay Matthews and Brian Orakpo. You really should know better. :D

Well, I know it's not a very popular position but looks like there are scouts out there who also have questions about Quinn. I guess we'll see what happens.

[The Realist]

Last time he played he had 19 TFL's, 11 sacks and 6 FF's.

Whoever is questioning his production is out of their minds.

Not so sure I'd be throwing a 4.5 forty time around though.

[TheCount]

Last time he played he had 19 TFL's, 11 sacks and 6 FF's.

Whoever is questioning his production is out of their minds.

Not so sure I'd be throwing a 4.5 forty time around though.

Almost as good as Spencer's senior year, not bad. :laugh2:

[MonsterD]

Wow there is no market? Does that mean some teams are taking him off their boards? Hmmm I thiink the Cowboys would pass on him, having Spencer is still a little something and they could get a safe choice like Jordon instead. This is unfortunate for Quinn, he reads like a really good guy despite what he did, just all those factors as well as some questioning his ability to learn a playbook.

[Randy White]

Could we see a Dez like drop of a top 10 talent to the late first round?

I find it hard to believe a player with his skill set would be ignored for so long but we have seen scenario's like this play out in the past.


IF the Cowboys have knowledge of this, then we should do another Dez, only this time we're moving down as oppossed to up. Quinn and extra 2nd or 3rd round pick ?

I'll take it..

[Randy White]

You know, if you really break this player down, you wonder why the production was not greater. Seriously, he has exceptional physical skills but, he doesn't get off the snap. He doesn't really play the run all that well. He doesn't anchor, he doesn't get off blocks. He could, he just doesn't.

You're sure about that ?

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Doesn't look like has any problems getting off the line of scrimage, or shedding blocks, or stopping the run. I specially like how he blows past Constanzo in the first 2 plays.

Does he get beat at times ? Sure, but who doesn't ? I can put up clips of Nebraska killing Bowers in the bowl game they played last year. It happens to the best of 'em.

Ed Wang of VT just thumped him in the VTech game. I mean, he just handled him. I just don't know what to think of this kid. .

He did ? :52 second mark

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It seems to me like V-Tech made it a point to run away from him in goal line situations and in the instance above, Quinn had no problems going through Wang to make the play.

[The Realist]

Don't you know.......

He should have had 30 TFL's, 20 sacks, and 15 FF's as a sophomore like all elite college pass rushers do.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're sure about that ?

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Doesn't look like has any problems getting off the line of scrimage, or shedding blocks, or stopping the run. I specially like how he blows past Constanzo in the first 2 plays.

Does he get beat at times ? Sure, but who doesn't ? I can put up clips of Nebraska killing Bowers in the bowl game they played last year. It happens to the best of 'em.



He did ? :52 second mark

CNGKpy8Os2k

It seems to me like V-Tech made it a point to run away from him in goal line situations and in the instance above, Quinn had no problems going through Wang to make the play.

Yeah, I'm sure. I've already said that he has ability but he don't always play like what you've just posted. I understand that a lot of people like this guy. I'm saying that there is a reason some teams are not ranking him as high as a great many people on this board are.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I'm saying that there is a reason some teams are not ranking him as high as a great many people on this board are.

How do you know where they are ranking him?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Don't you know.......

He should have had 30 TFL's, 20 sacks, and 15 FF's as a sophomore like all elite college pass rushers do.

No, I don't think he has to put up those kinds of numbers but in the game that is shown in this clip, the one where it doesn't look like he had any trouble with Wang, well, that's how edited clips can make things appear different then perhaps they really are. In that game against VTech, Quinn had exactly one tackle and no sacks. You wanna say that they weren't running at him? OK, I mean, that's not what happened but it's fine. 1 tackle and you just saw it in that clip.

[ABQCOWBOY]

How do you know where they are ranking him?

I don't know where he's ranked. Nobody does, the Combine has not been held yet. However, in this thread, SDogo is saying that the NFL has concerns about where he might end up going. I would think that if he were a top 10 pick, or even a 1st round pick, they would not be considering advising him to return to school or whatever they are considering for him.

[SDogo]

I don't know where he's ranked. Nobody does, the Combine has not been held yet. However, in this thread, SDogo is saying that the NFL has concerns about where he might end up going. I would think that if he were a top 10 pick, or even a 1st round pick, they would not be considering advising him to return to school or whatever they are considering for him.


I do want to clear something up. First, IMO they are asking too soon and asking the wrong questions. Of course most teams will not have a market value for him. They have not seen him blow his nose in over a year. I'm sure if this was asked a month from now we would have a whole different answer.

The reason i found it interesting is the fans want to label him as a sure fire top 10 pick but it's apparent NFL teams are not yet willing to do that. It also shows just how important these workouts are for him.

[Randy White]

Yeah, I'm sure. I've already said that he has ability but he don't always play like what you've just posted. I understand that a lot of people like this guy. I'm saying that there is a reason some teams are not ranking him as high as a great many people on this board are.

I'm sorry, but that's not what you said. You said the guy doesn't get off the line of scrimage, can't disengage, not particularly good against the run, etc,etc.. and that's just not the case.

Now, I would agree with you that after watching clips of him ( not only this two, but in other games as well ) that it looks like he doesn't go 100% all the time, but, then again, all players don't go " 100% all of the time ".

As for teams no ranking him high, that might be the case, however, teams had Dez Bryant off their boards entering last year's draft. Obviously, those teams look pretty silly right now. We'll see if Quinn makes whomever is not ranking him high look silly as well.

[Randy White]

[QUOTE=ABQCOWBOY;3838968]No, I don't think he has to put up those kinds of numbers but in the game that is shown in this clip, the one where it doesn't look like he had any trouble with Wang, well, that's how edited clips can make things appear different then perhaps they really are.In that game against VTech, Quinn had exactly one tackle and no sacks.

Thing is, though, not even James Cameron can edit the play he made on #5. If they counted that as a tackle instead of a sack, then he was robbed, because it was obviously a sack and one he initiated. Somebody else helped finish the play, but he should have received the credit. But that's not here or there in the grand scheme of things other than to dispute your statement that Wang " thumped him ". If anything, that play showed he was doing the " thumping " on Wang.. twice.

You wanna say that they weren't running at him? OK, I mean, that's not what happened but it's fine. 1 tackle and you just saw it in that clip.

Nobody said they weren't running at him. The clip showed, without a doubt, 3 goal line runs, and all of them were away from him which means V-tech made it a point to do so in those particular situations.

[Randy White]

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[vaturkey]

According to them, he's on the invite list.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm sorry, but that's not what you said. You said the guy doesn't get off the line of scrimage, can't disengage, not particularly good against the run, etc,etc.. and that's just not the case.

Now, I would agree with you that after watching clips of him ( not only this two, but in other games as well ) that it looks like he doesn't go 100% all the time, but, then again, all players don't go " 100% all of the time ".

As for teams no ranking him high, that might be the case, however, teams had Dez Bryant off their boards entering last year's draft. Obviously, those teams look pretty silly right now. We'll see if Quinn makes whomever is not ranking him high look silly as well.

OK, then consider it said. I have commented on what a good athlete he is in the past. That's what I don't get about this player. I mean, he should be dominating against everybody and he doesn't. He does not get off the line of scrimage well. He's cat quick on his first move but he's slow off the snap. I mean, that's just one of the things I don't understand.

When he gets blocked, he stays blocked and he doesn't have to. He has the quicks and the strength to fight threw those blocks. He just doesn't do it. It's weired. I honestly don't know what the problem is.

So I guess we will see. I mean, maybe he comes into the NFL and makes everybody see another player but honestly, I can't blame teams for having concerns about this player. I would worry about having to make a decision to spend that kind of money on this player.

If you watch him against teams like Virginia or Duke or Citadel or East Carolina, he will look good. I mean, he had a Hall of Fame type games against Virginia with 7 tackles and 3 sacks but Virginia was not a very good team in 09. They went 3 and 9, there only wins were against this same North Carolina, Indiana and Maryland. I mean, Virginia gave up 41 sacks in 09. They were not very good on that OL. I'm not trying to take it away from him, I'm just concerned that you don't see that same kind of thing against some of the quality teams on the schedule.

Connecticut 3 tackles, no sacks.
Miami 1 tackle, no sacks.
VTech 1 tackle, no sacks.
NCSt. 4 tackles, no sacks.
Pittsburgh 3 tackles, no sacks.


The two games that I think you can look at and say he had good games against quality teams are GTech and BC. In the case of BC, who was an 8 and 5 team in 2009, he recorded 3 tackles and a sack. Was very active against a good player in Costanza. I think that's a game you can point to as to why he might be worth taking in the 1st round. To be fair, the QB for BC, Dave Shinkskie, was terrible but Quinn still had a decent game with 3 tackles and a sack.

GTech is the other game against a good team that you can point to. GTech ran the ball over 50 times in that game. They had Dwyer go for 158 and Nesbitt go for 97 yards respectively but Quinn did record 10 tackles in that game. No sacks but he had good production in the run game. Still GTech did run it down their throats with over 250 rushing yards and won 24-7.

This is what we have to go on. If you look at 2008, he had a good year as a Freshman as far as tackles go but very few sacks with only 2.

I just look at this and I worry about trying to take this guy in the top 10. To me, he is not a sure thing. He definately has talent but I don't look at this body of work and say he's a sure thing. I just don't see it.

[TheCount]

You guys are arguing with ABQ like he said Quinn sucks. His point this entire time, if I am not mistaken, as that the questions about him are legit.

Not that they are necessarily right or can't be answered, but that there is a reason to have some concern regarding the kid.

Everyone wants to act like the guy is a sure thing and a guaranteed force in the NFL before he even gets there, just relax.

[jterrell]

You sit out a year and there will always be questions.

Quinn has to test out well to stay a top 15 pick. How he uses this time leading up to the combine will probably determine his fate.