Saints Head Coach Commuting 90 Minutes to live in Dallas Area thread *merged*

[Hostile]

The news blurb did not get much reaction. Perhaps a new thread will. To me this is a fascinating development. I can't help but wonder how Cowboys fans would react if Garrett did this. What if he bought a house in New Orleans and commuted the same 90 minutes Payton is contemplating?

I know there will be responses to that question about simply trading coach for coach and that is not the point.

How would you react if Garrett did this? Do you think if the Saints falter this will be a big deal? Lastly, anyone know how Saints fans are already reacting to the news?

Sean Payton purchasing a house in Dallas likely cause of rumor

2/7/2011 4:19:20 PM

Ed Werder of ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4678080?campaign=rss&source=DALLASHeadlines) reports while Sean Payton is not leaving the New Orleans Saints for a position with the Dallas Cowboys as rumored, a source close to Payton confirmed he is purchasing a home in the Dallas area and plans to commute between the two cities as the Saints' head coach for the first time.

Payton, wife Beth and their children will live in a home the family is purchasing in the exclusive Vaquero Club, an upscale golf community in Westlake that is home to numerous PGA Tour professionals as well as the Jonas Brothers.

The Paytons will enroll their children in school in their new Texas neighborhood. Payton became interested in Vaquero when he lived in nearby Southlake while working as an assistant coach under Bill Parcells with the Cowboys.

Payton estimates that flying on a private plane is 90 minutes door to door from his office at the Saints complex to the family's new home, which he believes allows him to remain committed to the Saints while moving his family to the area where he and Beth intend to eventually retire.

[casmith07]

It's for the man's family...I'm not going to comment on it other than a man should always do what is best for his family.

[SDogo]

It's for the man's family...I'm not going to comment on it other than a man should always do what is best for his family.


That's my first thought. Cudo's to him.

My second thought is keep an eye on this situation down the road a few years.........just saying

[Hostile]

Personally, I think Sean Payton is sending either of 2 messages here.

1. He would love to be our next Head Coach if Garrett does not work out.

2. He plans to have a short time in Coaching and go on to the broadcast booth at some point.


I find it hard to believe he will go home a lot. I do think it's cool that he is a pilot though. Landry was too.

[WoodysGirl]

To be honest, I don't care enough about the situation because it doesn't impact the Cowboys. Just me, tho.

Anywho, here are a couple links for N.O. reactions

Local: http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2011/02/new_orleans_saints_coach_sean_141.html

Nat'l: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/08/sean-paytons-move-to-dallas-sparks-criticism-in-new-orleans/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/07/sean-payton-plans-to-move-family-to-dallas/

[InmanRoshi]

Personally, I think Sean Payton is sending either of 2 messages here.

1. He would love to be our next Head Coach if Garrett does not work out.

2. He plans to have a short time in Coaching and go on to the broadcast booth at some point.


3. New Orleans ... nice place to visit, not a place to live.

[RS12]

How bout by living in Texas, his investment income is not subject to state tax. That savings alone probably pays the mortgage.

[ThreeSportStar80]

Wow I didn't know N.O. was that close to Dallas.....

[theebs]

he wants his kids to grow up in southlake and go to school there must be.

Cant blame him for that.

We all know what would happen if one of our guys did anything like this.

There is no point in even talking about that kind of thing anymore, we see the double standard holding every day.

[jobberone]

Personally, I think Sean Payton is sending either of 2 messages here.

1. He would love to be our next Head Coach if Garrett does not work out.

2. He plans to have a short time in Coaching and go on to the broadcast booth at some point.


I find it hard to believe he will go home a lot. I do think it's cool that he is a pilot though. Landry was too.

Landry flew bombers in WWII. I used to fly and have a plane. It's not all you think it might be. And it's expensive.

[SDogo]

Personally, I think Sean Payton is sending either of 2 messages here.

1. He would love to be our next Head Coach if Garrett does not work out.

2. He plans to have a short time in Coaching and go on to the broadcast booth at some point.


I find it hard to believe he will go home a lot. I do think it's cool that he is a pilot though. Landry was too.

Hos, from the things I have heard Payton is not a person that wants to coach for anymore then the next 5 years or so. Everyone says he has a "front office" mentality.

Now of course, the whole Jerry giving up power to a GM is another topic but by the time Payton is ready to take this step in his career if he chooses I'm going to imagine there is going to be another Jones call most of the shots and I'm pretty confident he is a pro GM type owner.

It's no secret that both Jerry and Stephen have the utmost respect for Payton. I have been saying for years at some point down the road Jerry or Stephen would get him back here in some capacity.

This is a WAYS down the road but it's fun to speculate and maybe your right, maybe it happens sooner in another way but I dont see Garrett going anywhere fast.

[AbeBeta]

Saints were very very much wanting players and coaches visible in the area as the team and city rebuilt. Less of an issue now I expect, especially given Sean's success there.

It isn't like he is commuting daily. But this does allow him to go home on off days -- honestly, he probably spends so much time at work otherwise that this doesn't really make a difference in how much he sees his family.

[iceberg]

It's for the man's family...I'm not going to comment on it other than a man should always do what is best for his family.

he's also made a committment to the saints to be their coach. if this happened in dallas people would go ape-gaga and demand we fire him now. where's his loyalty to the team? why is he making these distractions? how come dallas isn't good enough for him???

i have no idea why he's doing it but it's a carrer ender to me. it's making him look like he's too good to live in NO and NO won't put up with it.

either way he's lit a fire under his own dynomite and i see only explosions ahead. but i would like to know more the "why" behind it. it just causes him a weekly ongoing question or two dozen he now must face vs. focus on the game/team/future.

on the surface it's an exit move.

we'll see how it plays out.

[Sam I Am]

The man probably doesn't see his family much during the season anyhow. Let them live in a better place. I lived in New Orleans in the mid 80s for a few years (Plaquemines Parish specifically). It isn't a place you want to live much less raise your children. New Orleans is a dirty city and is overrun with the criminal element. The Dallas / Fort Worth area have similar areas, but New Orleans it's almost the whole damn city.

I don't blame him. He is moving to a great area.

[cowboyeric8]

This is a weird story. He is going to fly everyday? Thats just crazy. I think it is a major diss to the city of New Orleans.

[vta]

I think it is a major diss to the city of New Orleans.

Or maybe a wake up call. I've never been there, but it doesn't seem to be getting top (or even mid-level) rating as a place to live and maybe they need to clean it up. Nothing wrong with that in any case.

[WoodysGirl]

The spin is "where they eventually plan to retire."

Uhmm they still have school-age kids, 14 and 11. NOLA isn't known for having the best academic institutions. They probably have a few decent schools there, but the Paytons have a pretty good indicator of the quality of education their kids will receive in NOLA vs Dallas.

This isn't rocket science.

[Everlastingxxx]

To me says his wife and kids don’t want to live in Louisiana. I don’t blame them, i wouldn’t either. I don’t think it has anything to do with the Cowboys but it could down the road at some point. Very interesting. I could see why Saint fans would be offended by the move.

[StylisticS]

To be honest, I don't care enough about the situation because it doesn't impact the Cowboys. Just me, tho.

Anywho, here are a couple links for N.O. reactions

Local: http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2011/02/new_orleans_saints_coach_sean_141.html

Nat'l: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/08/sean-paytons-move-to-dallas-sparks-criticism-in-new-orleans/

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/07/sean-payton-plans-to-move-family-to-dallas/

Here's a discussion board about it. The Saints fans on here are not taking this very well.
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/24381640/Payton-and-Family-Are-Moving-To-Dallas-Confirmed.aspx

[LongSnapper]

To me says his wife and kids don’t want to live in Louisiana. I don’t blame them, i wouldn’t either. I don’t think it has anything to do with the Cowboys but it could down the road at some point. Very interesting. I could see why Saint fans would be offended by the move.

THIS....I have lived in both places ....if given the choice I would much prefer my family in N. Texas

[CATCH17]

He's so the future Cowboys coach if Garrett doesn't pan out.

[WV Cowboy]

Who cares?

How is this still on the front page of the "Fan Zone" ?

[hipfake08]

Wow I didn't know N.O. was that close to Dallas.....

Small jet - private airport....No worries.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Who cares?

How is this still on the front page of the "Fan Zone" ?

HEY!

This is serious bidness.
:p:

[Chocolate Lab]

He's so the future Cowboys coach if Garrett doesn't pan out.

Steve Dennis was insisting yesterday that Jerry loves Payton and Payton wants to be with the Cowboys. He said he wouldn't have been surprised at all if Jerry had somehow gotten Payton back here this time, like Werder had been suggesting.

[StylisticS]

I'm thinking the Saints fans see that writing on the wall about Payton rejoining the Cowboys in some capacity as well. I don't see it but they angry about this on the Saints forums.

[Aven8]

I'll guess will be neighbors as Westlake is about 2 miles up the street from me!!!

Plus Westlake was just on Forbes list as the #1 influential city in America with the the average income at $250K.

His kids will be going to Westlake Academy. It is the only charter school in the state of Texas.

His neighbors will be Josh Hamilton, Mark Texiera, Exxon CEO, Jonas Bro's, etc.

I don't blame him one bit. New Orleans is a dump!

[Aven8]

Steve Dennis was insisting yesterday that Jerry loves Payton and Payton wants to be with the Cowboys. He said he wouldn't have been surprised at all if Jerry had somehow gotten Payton back here this time, like Werder had been suggesting.

There might be something to this. Jason did play under him with the Gmen. Hmmmmmmm

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think this has something to do with the Mayan Calender.

[Chocolate Lab]

There might be something to this. Jason did play under him with the Gmen. Hmmmmmmm

But they were talking about him as the coach. And I can't see Payton wanting to GM at such a young age and with no health problems that we know of.

[Cover 2]

Who cares?


Apparently the people responding ;)

[cowboyjoe]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/08/sean-paytons-move-to-dallas-sparks-criticism-in-new-orleans/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 8, 2011, 10:53 AM EST
Sean Payton initially brought up the idea of living in Dallas when he first accepted the Saints job. Owner Tom Benson and G.M. Mickey Loomis didn’t support the idea.

“Mickey wasn’t keen on that at all,” Payton wrote in his book Home Team. “Whoever came would have to be all in, he said. It was essential that the New Orleans Saints’ head coach be as much a part of the team and the community as any player, any team official or any fan. This was not a job a head coach could just phone in.”

Ok, am i missing something here, sean payton became head coach of saints in 2006. More than enough time to settle in Louisiana for his family. Yet now he is getting a home in dallas, why? That sounds fishy to me and remember the saints owner didnt like it when sean suggested that to him when he came to the saints.

[Hostile]

Landry flew bombers in WWII. I used to fly and have a plane. It's not all you think it might be. And it's expensive.Landry also had a private plane, at least one Cessna.

My Dad was a pilot and a really good one. I know a lot about them and their costs.

[Doomsday101]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/08/sean-paytons-move-to-dallas-sparks-criticism-in-new-orleans/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 8, 2011, 10:53 AM EST
Sean Payton initially brought up the idea of living in Dallas when he first accepted the Saints job. Owner Tom Benson and G.M. Mickey Loomis didn’t support the idea.

“Mickey wasn’t keen on that at all,” Payton wrote in his book Home Team. “Whoever came would have to be all in, he said. It was essential that the New Orleans Saints’ head coach be as much a part of the team and the community as any player, any team official or any fan. This was not a job a head coach could just phone in.”

Ok, am i missing something here, sean payton became head coach of saints in 2006. More than enough time to settle in Louisiana for his family. Yet now he is getting a home in dallas, why? That sounds fishy to me and remember the saints owner didnt like it when sean suggested that to him when he came to the saints.

That is where the Mayor of NO went during the flood, if it is good enough for the Mayor why is it not good enough for Payton? :laugh2:

[superpunk]

No income tax like a boss. That's right Payton, stick it to the man with your airplane.

[BrAinPaiNt]

No income tax like a boss. That's right Payton, stick it to the man with your airplane.

Your nick name is not Turbo Tax is it? :laugh2:

[Aven8]

But they were talking about him as the coach. And I can't see Payton wanting to GM at such a young age and with no health problems that we know of.

It might be what he wants to do though, or aspires to do. Who knows. He was tight with Big Bill and watched how he did things all those years. My questions is how long he is under his current contract?

To say that if Garrett slips up and then Sean will come in to save the franchise is nuts. If the fans knew this every loss will be more magnified then it is now!!

I do find it funny though how Greg Williams has been offered all of these IV's and just shot them all down. I'm curious if he's just content, or he wants to be NO's HC and know's Sean's plans???

[speedkilz88]

If you were raising a family would you want to live in New Orleans or Dallas?

[Royal Laegotti]

Maybe Payton just likes Dallas and or Texas in general. I don't know if Louisiana has a state tax or not but I know we don't. IMO Texas is the best state to live in for alot of reasons. I've been to Louisiana several times and honestly to me there just ain't a ton to like about it. Seems to be a very poor, run down state, even the roads i've been on aren't to good.

[Doomsday101]

If you were raising a family would you want to live in New Orleans or Dallas?

Dallas, Fort Worth, Iran just not NO..... :laugh2:

[CowboyWay]

I could never fault a man for not wanting to live in New Orleans.


That being said, that is horrible commute, and I don't see how this could work for him and his family.

[Hostile]

What happens if he flies home to winterize the house and a storm like this one hits the DFW area and he can't fly back to work?

[Aven8]

What happens if he flies home to winterize the house and a storm like this one hits the DFW area and he can't fly back to work?

They call 1-800-Coaches!! Fantastic temp service.

Testimonials: "When Charlie Weiss had surgery on his knee we didn't know where to turn. We then found out about and called 1-800-Coaches and are prayers were answered. Thank you 1-800-Coaches!" AD- Notre Dame

[Hostile]

They call 1-800-Coaches!! Fantastic temp service.

Testimonials: "When Charlie Weiss had surgery on his knee we didn't know where to turn. We then found out about and called 1-800-Coaches and are prayers were answered. Thank you 1-800-Coaches!" AD- Notre Dame
I need a job there.

I got asked to coach HS football again as a position coach last year. But the HS was in Mesa and and that is a 90 minute drive. For $200 a week.

Oh hell no!

[visionary]

i dont this is appropriate for peyton and i certainly would not think it would be appropriate for garrett as the HC of the cowboys.

once you have made a committment to a team, HC is not a job you can take a 90 minute jet ride to everyday

either stay in the community or leave

[dadymat]

probably didnt take but a few laps around the city to realize he didnt want his children growing up in that dump.......i bet the schools are just wonderful

New Orleans or Westlake......hmmmmm decisions, decisions.....

[Joe Realist]

you love attention:D

[JPM]

What happens if he flies home to winterize the house and a storm like this one hits the DFW area and he can't fly back to work?
Video call with his iPhone. They should trade for Brady Quinn. He'll hold up the phone duriung the game, that's a job he even can't screw up.

[WV Cowboy]

Apparently the people responding ;)

True, I guess, ... still don't see how it stays on the Fan Zone.

[AbeBeta]

Maybe Payton just likes Dallas and or Texas in general. I don't know if Louisiana has a state tax or not but I know we don't. IMO Texas is the best state to live in for alot of reasons. I've been to Louisiana several times and honestly to me there just ain't a ton to like about it. Seems to be a very poor, run down state, even the roads i've been on aren't to good.

He is working in LA - Isn't that the defining piece as to whether you pay taxes in one state or another?

[jobberone]

What happens if he flies home to winterize the house and a storm like this one hits the DFW area and he can't fly back to work?

Lol. I started to mention that in my earlier post. I had a 120 mile flight when I had my plane. A short distance but I can't tell you how many times weather kept me grounded. I had to fly VFR for a couple of reasons. Even if you are instrument rated it is not a happy flight in weather. You cannot count on small plane flight to commute.

[speedkilz88]

If Jimmy could have commuted somehow between Dallas and Miami and kept coaching here I wouldn't have had a problem. He was worth a thousand Barry Switzer/Chan Gailey's.

[Hostile]

If Jimmy could have commuted somehow between Dallas and Miami and kept coaching here I wouldn't have had a problem. He was worth a thousand Barry Switzer/Chan Gailey's.No it was 5 first round draft picks and 5 Heisman trophy winners.

[baj1dallas]

i have no idea why he's doing it but it's a carrer ender to me. it's making him look like he's too good to live in NO and NO won't put up with it..

That's just inane to me. He's free to live where he wants. Fans have no business criticizing his wife for where she wants to live and raise her kids.

[The Realist]

NO won't put up with it.............

News flash....they need him more than he needs them.

The plot thickens.....................

http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2009/12/saints_coach_sean_payton_to_be.html

That's a big deal.

[AbeBeta]

That's just inane to me. He's free to live where he wants. Fans have no business criticizing his wife for where she wants to live and raise her kids.

You can't understand why NO fans might be upset that his family is pretty much saying the town isn't good enough for them?

[Royal Laegotti]

He is working in LA - Isn't that the defining piece as to whether you pay taxes in one state or another?
You're probably right. I thought about that after I posted it.

[Double Trouble]

He is working in LA - Isn't that the defining piece as to whether you pay taxes in one state or another?I don't know about LA, but in most states, you'd just file a non-resident return and all the income from his job would be LA income. He might save on any income he earns otherwise, like investment income, but he can't avoid the taxes on his Saints' salary.

So I doubt taxes had much to do with this. IMO, you put your family this far away from your job, it means you either 1) have marital issues and this is the first step in a separation or 2) you have job issues, and this is the initial step in leaving NO altogether. Given that he's moving to Dallas, my guess is he has his eye on either a job with the Cowboys, or a national job, like broadcasting.

[dogberry]

On a story about Alec Baldwin and New York City income taxes, 183 days was the magic number for a higher tax rate. The tax angle may be complex(duh).

Plus, does he do a Vermeil and sleep at the office during the season?

[saintsational]

As a Saints fan, this is my opinion:

Payton can move to Canada for all I care, as long as he continues to be a great head coach. My problem isn't that he is moving, it's where he is moving. The one team that I am afraid that Payton will leave us for is Dallas. He can't leave now as he still has 2 years left on his contract, but this move makes me feel like one foot is already out the door. It makes me wonder if once his contract is up and if Garrett doesn't work out, that he'll leave for Dallas using the excuse "I'm going to be closer to my family". Gregg Williams turning down 2 head coaching interviews to stay makes me wonder if he knows that there is more to this. While I love Williams as defensive coordinator, I'm not sure I'd want him for my head coach. If Payton leaves, I'd rather Pete Carmichael get promoted as long as we still have Drew. Personally, if he were to get a contract extension, it wouldn't bother me anymore that he would be living in Dallas or any other place that his heart may desire. He's the best head coach we have EVER had. I don't want to lose him!

Two things that I want to see happen this offseason as a Saints fan:

1. Sign Drew Brees to a long term extension. He's on his last year. Mickey Loomis said this is top priority this offseason.

2. Extend Payton's contract so he is here to stay as head coach, regardless of his home address.


For those asking about state tax: Regardless of where he lives, he will still be required to pay LA state taxes b/c he is employed in the state.

[AbeBeta]

So I doubt taxes had much to do with this. IMO, you put your family this far away from your job, it means you either 1) have marital issues and this is the first step in a separation or 2) you have job issues, and this is the initial step in leaving NO altogether. Given that he's moving to Dallas, my guess is he has his eye on either a job with the Cowboys, or a national job, like broadcasting.

I think it is far more simple. He wants his kids and family in a nice clean, cookie cutter type of upscale area -- some people like that stuff.

I do totally understand how it sends a message that many NOs are going to hate. He is pretty much saying "nothing in your city is good enough for my wife and kids"

[superpunk]

For those asking about state tax: Regardless of where he lives, he will still be required to pay LA state taxes b/c he is employed in the state.
You sure, homeboy?

I'm not an accountant or anything but I don't work in the state I live in - but I pay taxes to the state I live in, not the state I work in.

[Dave_in-NC]

Hos, from the things I have heard Payton is not a person that wants to coach for anymore then the next 5 years or so. Everyone says he has a "front office" mentality.

Now of course, the whole Jerry giving up power to a GM is another topic but by the time Payton is ready to take this step in his career if he chooses I'm going to imagine there is going to be another Jones call most of the shots and I'm pretty confident he is a pro GM type owner.
It's no secret that both Jerry and Stephen have the utmost respect for Payton. I have been saying for years at some point down the road Jerry or Stephen would get him back here in some capacity.

This is a WAYS down the road but it's fun to speculate and maybe your right, maybe it happens sooner in another way but I dont see Garrett going anywhere fast.


Dream killer. j/k.

As far as Payton goes he can live where ever. Same as I would feel about our coaches.

[JPM]

but I don't work in the state I live in - but I pay taxes to the state I live in, not the state I work in.
The IRS is reading this and will be knocking on your door shortly.

[CaptainAmerica]

I actually would find this a big deal if I were a Saints fan. They made such a huge deal of how the Saints brought back that community and how wonderful the team was for the City and now the HC doesn't even want his family to live in the city?!!

Something is very odd about this and it makes me think there was something to the rumors going around about his contact with Jerry. Who knows what their discussions were about but this is an odd development.

[saintsational]

It's homeGIRL ;)


You sure, homeboy?

I'm not an accountant or anything but I don't work in the state I live in - but I pay taxes to the state I live in, not the state I work in.

This:

The IRS is reading this and will be knocking on your door shortly.

[Dave_in-NC]

It's homeGIRL ;)




This:


:lmao2:

[CATCH17]

I hope this never becomes an issue and Jason Garrett wins 10 Superbowls but if Jason has a bad year and Paytons contract is expiring I think we'll make that move.

[superpunk]

The IRS is reading this and will be knocking on your door shortly.

nope.

[iceberg]

I hope this never becomes an issue and Jason Garrett wins 10 Superbowls but if Jason has a bad year and Paytons contract is expiring I think we'll make that move.

i find it hard to believe NO would allow someone to "dis" NO so soon after rebuilding.

need to hear more of the story and gather more info but if he's just wanting to commute and not live in NO (can't blame him but if i have a job in NO i need to live there if i'm "community based") NO won't take it well after working so hard on the community.

brees embraces the community and builds his home there.
payton runs to dallas.

for whatever reason he gave NO a huge controversy that won't go away as long as he's there now.

[AbeBeta]

You sure, homeboy?

I'm not an accountant or anything but I don't work in the state I live in - but I pay taxes to the state I live in, not the state I work in.

actually I think you are supposed to file in both

[dogberry]

Where are the grandparents?

Get your priorities straight.

[Double Trouble]

You sure, homeboy?

I'm not an accountant or anything but I don't work in the state I live in - but I pay taxes to the state I live in, not the state I work in.Virtually every state that has an income tax will have nexus on income earned in that state, not your state of residence.

[saintsational]

Payton released a statement:

http://www.wwl.com/Payton-s-foundation-releases-statement----Sean-Pay/9155415

[Double Trouble]

Payton released a statement:

http://www.wwl.com/Payton-s-foundation-releases-statement----Sean-Pay/9155415That statement sounds like it's laying the groundwork for a tearful goodbye.

Maybe not to come to Dallas, but this is an obvious first step in Payton's exit.

That contract runs out and he's gone. Can't blame him.

Not that you should worry about it. If the Saints are willing to pony up the $$, a great coach like Cowher or Fisher will still probably be out there.

[Temo]

I live in New Jersey but work in NYC-- I pay NYC city taxes and NJ state taxes (yes, tax rate is huge here, actually the highest in the country). But I don't pay NY state taxes.

I know the state of NY actually tried suing Derek Jeter because he wasn't paying state and city income taxes, claiming to live in Florida instead (no state income tax), even though he was in NY playing baseball for most of the year. I believe you pay taxes to the state you have primary residence, though city taxes (if they exist) are charged regardless.

[peplaw06]

Virtually every state that has an income tax will have nexus on income earned in that state, not your state of residence.This is the right answer...

It may not be the IRS knocking on your door, but the state's where you earn the money can tax it. Happens here all the time, because we're about 15 minutes from Oklahoma casinos. If you win a jackpot in that state, you're supposed to pay Oklahoma taxes, even if you live in Texas.

Now, whether <Oklahoma/or insert the state where you earn your income here> will come track you down, is a different story. I don't know how militant other states' taxing entities are. But my guess is they will want their money.

[saintsational]

That statement sounds like it's laying the groundwork for a tearful goodbye.

Maybe not to come to Dallas, but this is an obvious first step in Payton's exit.

That contract runs out and he's gone. Can't blame him.

Not that you should worry about it. If the Saints are willing to pony up the $$, a great coach like Cowher or Fisher will still probably be out there.

I agree. I now know as much about it as I did yesterday. :confused:

[Chocolate Lab]

It was nice knowing you, SP.

[Hostile]

Payton released a statement:

http://www.wwl.com/Payton-s-foundation-releases-statement----Sean-Pay/9155415Okay, that is an exit strategy statement right there.

[AbeBeta]

Okay, that is an exit strategy statement right there.

seriously ... we want to retire here. dude. you are 47. then again, maybe he doesn't want to end up like his dad who had to take to cooking and selling meth to get by.

[yimyammer]

Wow I didn't know N.O. was that close to Dallas.....

Its not, it's 550 miles to Vaquero

[Hostile]

seriously ... we want to retire here. dude. you are 47. then again, maybe he doesn't want to end up like his dad who had to take to cooking and selling meth to get by.Sean Payton's dad was a meth lord?

[saintsational]

This is an official release from Benson, Loomis, and Payton:

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-1/Saints-Release-Statements-to-Fans/85f4c8ee-1efe-4a14-b921-0fd4b2948765

I guess time will tell....

[big dog cowboy]

This is an official release from Benson, Loomis, and Payton:

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-1/Saints-Release-Statements-to-Fans/85f4c8ee-1efe-4a14-b921-0fd4b2948765

I guess time will tell....

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http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-1/Saints-Release-Statements-Regarding-Payton/85f4c8ee-1efe-4a14-b921-0fd4b2948765

[Aven8]

So hypothetically speaking....in a dream world, who do you take...Garrett or Payton as HC? Hos you out there???

[saintsational]

The Article may have expired or has been deleted. Try this:

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-1/Saints-Release-Statements-Regarding-Payton/85f4c8ee-1efe-4a14-b921-0fd4b2948765

Thanks! :)

[Double Trouble]

I live in New Jersey but work in NYC-- I pay NYC city taxes and NJ state taxes (yes, tax rate is huge here, actually the highest in the country). But I don't pay NY state taxes.

I know the state of NY actually tried suing Derek Jeter because he wasn't paying state and city income taxes, claiming to live in Florida instead (no state income tax), even though he was in NY playing baseball for most of the year. I believe you pay taxes to the state you have primary residence, though city taxes (if they exist) are charged regardless.As a general rule of thumb, this is incorrect. In almost every case, you pay tax to the state in which income is earned.

State X isn't going to allow (usually) Company Y to deduct your salary on their corporate return for that state, then have you not turn around and pay taxes on it in their state.

With respect to Payton, I doubt this figures in the equation at all.

Professional athletes have entirely different sets of rules in some states and cities, based on the # of times they played in that city. I googled LA's tax law just to see the rate (6%), and noticed there was a separate form that pro athletes fill out for something or another. Didn't look at it very closely.

[sago1]

I suspect it more likely he'll spend good portion of the week in NO with long weekends in Dallas, particularly in the offseason. Also don't forget it will be just as easy for his wife to occasionally fly to NO as he will be doing. He's been HC in NO for 5 years. Will be interesting to see how this situation plays out down the road particularly if JJ is someday persuaded to bring in a socalled asst GM, etc.

Sean Payton may not have actual GM experience, but he certainly has a large hand in who the Saints have been drafting since he took over as HC. After all, the current NO GM wasn't doing that great a job until Payton took over. It was Payton who wanted Brees--although he initially offered Cowboys a 3rd rounder for Romo in 2006.

[Chocolate Lab]

So hypothetically speaking....in a dream world, who do you take...Garrett or Payton as HC? Hos you out there???

Werder is on right now for his weekly bit and he said if Jerry could hire anyone in the world for HC, it would be Payton.

Is he standing closer to Jerry in the family portrait than Garrett? :eek:

[cowboys#1]

he doesnt want his family to live in new orleans

i dont blame him

[saintsational]

Coach Payton just went live on WWL.

Here is a summary of what he said:

He's committed to New Orleans. They have a plan in place to make things work. Payton also said he will stay in New Orleans in season and states he will have more time in the office and less to worry about. He said he will be able to work through it with no problem. He has a good handle on the situation, loves the city. None of the speculation is true, no plans of divorce or doing in anything to Dallas. He's dedicated to winning with the New Orleans Saints. Payton loves that everyone is so dedicated to the team worrying about what he does as a head coach and realizes how important the community is to him. Reiterates speculation is not true.

Also said that this is his last spot coaching and doesn't see himself coaching 10 or 15 more years. Wants more time with his children. Mentioned only having two years left on his contract....

He's also saying he's totally committed and evaluating players for the combine and free agency as we speak. Payton continues to say "we" and "I'm all in" the community and the football team.

The closing statement was that this was a big issue in a small city, therefore speculation erupted.






Personally, I think he stays for the remainder of his contract and then retires. That's what I got out of it. I'm guessing that Gregg Williams will be "coach in waiting".

On a side note: The Saints PR dept is absolutely horrible and should have settled this once it started. Greg Bensel is horrible!

[jobberone]

Landry also had a private plane, at least one Cessna.

My Dad was a pilot and a really good one. I know a lot about them and their costs.

After reading my post again I realize it sounds as if I'm addressing you about the costs. That part was meant to be to the board. Sorry.

[Double Trouble]

Coach Payton just went live on WWL.

Here is a summary of what he said:

He's committed to New Orleans. They have a plan in place to make things work. Payton also said he will stay in New Orleans in season and states he will have more time in the office and less to worry about. He said he will be able to work through it with no problem. He has a good handle on the situation, loves the city. None of the speculation is true, no plans of divorce or doing in anything to Dallas. He's dedicated to winning with the New Orleans Saints. Payton loves that everyone is so dedicated to the team worrying about what he does as a head coach and realizes how important the community is to him. Reiterates speculation is not true.

Also said that this is his last spot coaching and doesn't see himself coaching 10 or 15 more years. Wants more time with his children. Mentioned only having two years left on his contract....

He's also saying he's totally committed and evaluating players for the combine and free agency as we speak. Payton continues to say "we" and "I'm all in" the community and the football team.

The closing statement was that this was a big issue in a small city, therefore speculation erupted.






Personally, I think he stays for the remainder of his contract and then retires. That's what I got out of it. I'm guessing that Gregg Williams will be "coach in waiting".

On a side note: The Saints PR dept is absolutely horrible and should have settled this once it started. Greg Bensel is horrible!You don't "want more time with your children" if you move them hundreds of miles away. And unless he's retiring in a few years, at least one of them will be off to college.

Reality is, you can trust very little of what is said at this point. Actions speak a lot louder than words. The words say he isn't long for the Saints. I'd wager this is his last season with them.

I'd wager you're right about Williams. He'll probably be the coach, but I'd bet it's 1 not 2 years from now.

[Hostile]

Mark my words, if the Saints are anything but spectacular, this is going to be a media and fan issue. A BIG one.

[Fmart322]

Personally, I think Sean Payton is sending either of 2 messages here.

1. He would love to be our next Head Coach if Garrett does not work out.

2. He plans to have a short time in Coaching and go on to the broadcast booth at some point.


I find it hard to believe he will go home a lot. I do think it's cool that he is a pilot though. Landry was too.


Yea, but Landry killed Germans in WWII for his country. No comparrison. :)

[Hostile]

Yea, but Landry killed Germans in WWII for his country. No comparrison. :)AS I said earlier, Landry was a pilot after WWII as well. He had small planes and flew a lot. In fact he flew from Dallas to Austin in his own plane when the rumors surfaced Jerry was buying the team and he was out.

[AbeBeta]

he doesnt want his family to live in new orleans

i dont blame him

Then don't work in NO. You shouldn't try to have it both ways

[AbeBeta]

Sean Payton's dad was a meth lord?

You appear to not watch enough TV to get this AWESOME joke

[Hostile]

Then don't work in NO. You shouldn't try to have it both ways
Congrats on 19k posts.

[iceberg]

Mark my words, if the Saints are anything but spectacular, this is going to be a media and fan issue. A BIG one.

what was said earlier? perception is reality. : )

while i don't agree because it's a cop out of having to know more, it's still true because of how people act.

this will dog him all year long and every time something goes wrong the media will use this.

[Hostile]

You appear to not watch enough TV to get this AWESOME joke
No, I don't man. I am totally stupid about that kind of stuff. I have no idea on so many cultural things from entertainment that it is actually kind of embarrassing.

[Hostile]

what was said earlier? perception is reality. : )

while i don't agree because it's a cop out of having to know more, it's still true because of how people act.

this will dog him all year long and every time something goes wrong the media will use this.At least the house isn't in Cabo.


:grin:

[AbeBeta]

Congrats on 19k posts.

Thanks! (and that folks is how you get to 19k)

[The Realist]

Then don't work in NO. You shouldn't try to have it both ways

Why not. He's free to do whatever he wants and I'm sure he knows the ramifications.

There are a ton of NFL coaches and players who don't live anywhere near there wife and kids because they don't want to move their families every 2-3 years when they get fired or cut.

Favre never moved his family to NYC or Minny.

Emmittt never moved his family to AZ.

And if I felt like digging I could add 100 people to that list.

Long-term he doesn't want to live in NO so why get his family entrenched their now and have to uproot in a few years.

Really sounds like a guy to me who wants to be in the broadcast booth in a few years and doesn't really care how this move is perceived by NO.

[AbeBeta]

Why not. He's free to do whatever he wants and I'm sure he knows the ramifications.

There are a ton of NFL coaches and players who don't live anywhere near there wife and kids because they don't want to move their families every 2-3 years when they get fired or cut.

Favre never moved his family to NYC or Minny.

Emmittt never moved his family to AZ.

And if I felt like digging I could add 100 people to that list.

Long-term he doesn't want to live in NO so why get his family entrenched their now and have to uproot in a few years.

Really sounds like a guy to me who wants to be in the broadcast booth in a few years and doesn't really care how this move is perceived by NO.

And fans are free to hate him for it. He knew that it was important to the Saints -- if this was is, say Az, you wouldn't have the same sort of reaction as few people have the sort of pride in being from Phoenix as they do in being from NOLA.

[The Realist]

And fans are free to hate him for it. He knew that it was important to the Saints -- if this was is, say Az, you wouldn't have the same sort of reaction as few people have the sort of pride in being from Phoenix as they do in being from NOLA.

I hear you, but Payton nor his family aren't from NO so they don't have that NOLA pride.

If the Saints went on a skid for a few years they would fire him in a heartbeat.

Family first.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It's for the man's family...I'm not going to comment on it other than a man should always do what is best for his family.

where does he state he is doing it for his family and that it is best for his family?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

The spin is "where they eventually plan to retire."

Uhmm they still have school-age kids, 14 and 11. NOLA isn't known for having the best academic institutions. They probably have a few decent schools there, but the Paytons have a pretty good indicator of the quality of education their kids will receive in NOLA vs Dallas.

This isn't rocket science.

he can afford private schools, it isn't about the tots

[CanadianCowboysFan]

If you were raising a family would you want to live in New Orleans or Dallas?

would be a valid argument if he said it 5 years ago but he was there for 5 years and now is moving back.

[The30YardSlant]

Personally, I think Sean Payton is sending either of 2 messages here.

1. He would love to be our next Head Coach if Garrett does not work out.

2. He plans to have a short time in Coaching and go on to the broadcast booth at some point.


I find it hard to believe he will go home a lot. I do think it's cool that he is a pilot though. Landry was too.

I think you're reading way too much into this

[Hostile]

I think you're reading way too much into thisIf it was anyone associated with Dallas this thread is 100 pages long and merged 2 dozen times.

Am I?

I don't think so. Tony Romo is still paying for one 90 minute trip to Cabo, this man is talking about a regular commute and still putting in his time as HC.

[The Realist]

where does he state he is doing it for his family and that it is best for his family?

EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT/GENERAL MANAGER MICKEY LOOMIS

“Sean and I have discussed his decision to move his family to Dallas and like with any personal decision, it is important that he does what is best for his family. This is a personal family matter for Sean and his family and after discussing it with him, I support his decision. We spoke of numerous other coaches that have done the same thing successfully. I am confident that Sean will continue to be an excellent head coach for the Saints for many years to come and he remains steadfast to get our team back to the Super Bowl and bring the Lombardi Trophy back to New Orleans.”

HEAD COACH SEAN PAYTON

“When my wife and I relocated our family from Dallas, we had always dreamed of someday settling there. We feel that now is the best time to do this. It’s a decision that I’m sure many families have to confront, and I don’t know if there is any one right or wrong decision – just the best one you can make for your own family.”

Hope that clears things up a bit.

[The30YardSlant]

If it was anyone associated with Dallas this thread is 100 pages long and merged 2 dozens times.

Am I?

I don't think so. Tony Romo is still paying for one 90 minute trip to Cabo, this man is talking about a regular commute and still putting in his time as HC.

I don't disagree, but that has more to do with the Dallas media being full of idiots and overzealous masochists than anything else. Your average run of the mill fairweather Cowboys fan is a lemming who would listen to said media falling over themselves to make an issue of this and follow suit, and thus we'd get the kind of response on this board you are alluding to.

Jerry Jones has turned the Dallas media against him over the years and thus there is no other city in America whose writers HATE the hometown team like ours do. I don't know if you are exposed to it as much out in Arizona, but as someone who has spent 22 of his 25 years in this city I can tell you that it is beyond unbearable. My point was not that it wouldnt be a big deal, but that it shouldnt be.

[BlueStar3398]

he wants his kids to grow up in southlake and go to school there must be.

Cant blame him for that.

We all know what would happen if one of our guys did anything like this.

There is no point in even talking about that kind of thing anymore, we see the double standard holding every day.

That's what I'm thinking. He must be doing it for his kids. Maybe he wasn't happy with the school system where they were?

If I had the money, I'd make a move for my son's education too.

[Hostile]

I don't disagree, but that has more to do with the Dallas media being full of idiots and overzealous masochists than anything else. Your average run of the mill fairweather Cowboys fan is a lemming who would listen to said media falling over themselves to make an issue of this and follow suit, and thus we'd get the kind of response on this board you are alluding to.

Jerry Jones has turned the Dallas media against him over the years and thus there is no other city in America whose writers HATE the hometown team like ours do. I don't know if you are exposed to it as much out in Arizona, but as someone who has spent 22 of his 25 years in this city I can tell you that it is beyond unbearable. My point was not that it wouldnt be a big deal, but that it shouldnt be.That's funny because I do see fans who I label as following media shepherds all the time, and you have always been one of them. You echo their exact negative spins on everything.

[hornitosmonster]

A move for his family. Higher quality of life and better educational system. A 90 min commute is not bad and I'm sure it will not be a daily thing. He might stay in New Orleans most of the time. Most coaches spend a majority of their time at the practice facilities anyways. They might go home for a few hours per day during the season, most just sleep at work.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT/GENERAL MANAGER MICKEY LOOMIS

“Sean and I have discussed his decision to move his family to Dallas and like with any personal decision, it is important that he does what is best for his family. This is a personal family matter for Sean and his family and after discussing it with him, I support his decision. We spoke of numerous other coaches that have done the same thing successfully. I am confident that Sean will continue to be an excellent head coach for the Saints for many years to come and he remains steadfast to get our team back to the Super Bowl and bring the Lombardi Trophy back to New Orleans.”

HEAD COACH SEAN PAYTON

“When my wife and I relocated our family from Dallas, we had always dreamed of someday settling there. We feel that now is the best time to do this. It’s a decision that I’m sure many families have to confront, and I don’t know if there is any one right or wrong decision – just the best one you can make for your own family.”

Hope that clears things up a bit.

original post made no such reference

the family line is totally bogus and whenever someone says that, you know they do it just to try and people to say, oh well we can't second guess what he is doing for his family

[CanadianCowboysFan]

A move for his family. Higher quality of life and better educational system. A 90 min commute is not bad and I'm sure it will not be a daily thing. He might stay in New Orleans most of the time. Most coaches spend a majority of their time at the practice facilities anyways. They might go home for a few hours per day during the season, most just sleep at work.

90 minute commute, I love the spin.

It is in the air, it isn't in his car, he will be living in another state for God sake.

He can afford to send the tots to the best private schools in Louisiana.

Not sure how moving your family that far away and being away from them during the football season is good for the family but hey to each his own I guess

[The Realist]

original post made no such reference

the family line is totally bogus and whenever someone says that, you know they do it just to try and people to say, oh well we can't second guess what he is doing for his family

Do you have kids?

So if he isn't doing it for his family why is he doing it?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

so he is moving 2 hours away by plane, in another state to be closer to his family for his family's benefit?

If he thinks the schools are better in Dallas, say so, don't give the bogus, it is best for my family line and hope panty waists don't have the stones to question him

[theebs]

Its kind of funny I was listening to the hardline and they were laughing at this story and made a point that I somehow forgot.

Rangers Manager Ron Washington lives in New Orleans and no one here cares or gives him grief over it.

[The Realist]

They want to be in Texas long-term.

It's really not that diffucult.

His oldest is 14.

In the last 14-15 years they've gone from Illinois, to Philly, to NYC, to Dallas, to NO.

The kids change states, change schools and lose their friends every time they move and they never see their Dad even living in in the same city.

Ask Urban Myer about that, and that's not even on the Pro level.

By moving to Dallas area they may not see their Dad (they didn't really anyways), but at least they are in one house L/T, same school, same friends, same environment.

It's called stability.

I have a friend that started at QB for 4 years at QB for legit D1 school. He got drafted on the first day (old draft format) and bounced around the league for a few years. Went into coaching at 26-27 at D1 level and was on path to QB coach and eventually be an OC. He walked away from coaching on the college level after 3-4 years because he had no interest in changing states every 2-3 years like a lot of these coaches do.

If I were Payton, and I had no interest in living in NO long-term, I'd do it exactly the way he is.

He's in a position to call his own shots.

Call em.

[hornitosmonster]

90 minute commute, I love the spin.

It is in the air, it isn't in his car, he will be living in another state for God sake.

He can afford to send the tots to the best private schools in Louisiana.

Not sure how moving your family that far away and being away from them during the football season is good for the family but hey to each his own I guess

Because New Orleans is a cesspool? I'm willing to bet he already spends most of his time away during the season. If he thinks Dallas is a better place to raise his kids then I have no issues with it. It is his family and his kids.

[Venger]

3. New Orleans ... nice place to visit, not a place to live.
New Orleans is a %#&box... no wonder he wants his family out.

[Don Corleone]

he doesnt want his family to live in new orleans

i dont blame him

I live near New Orleans, and they have some awesome private schools there. Private schools in Louisiana can cost more than college. I pay $10K per year per child right now in the 1st grade, and it goes up each year. High schools charge $15K-$20K per year right now for the best of the best. It pains me to say that I could buy a fancy luxury car in cash every other year if I wasn't paying for private school for two kids.

With that being said, things aren't that bad here. It is more expensive than living in Texas when you consider that houses cost more, property taxes are less, but add state income taxes, and private school costs. They tax food here too, when it is exempt for the most part in Texas. Sales tax is 9% where I live, even on automobile purchases.

All things being equal, it costs more to live here, and you have to go through more pains to get the same quality of life you might get for less in Texas.

For a head coach making that kind of money, the financial side is a non-factor. New Orleans actually has some decent suburbs that are nice to live. One of them is Mandeville, which is a very wealthy town. It is across Lake Pontchartrain from New Orleans.

I just think the man loves the Dallas area. Nothing wrong with that, but Louisiana, and at least the area surrounding New Orleans isn't really all that bad.

[saintsational]

You don't "want more time with your children" if you move them hundreds of miles away. And unless he's retiring in a few years, at least one of them will be off to college.

Reality is, you can trust very little of what is said at this point. Actions speak a lot louder than words. The words say he isn't long for the Saints. I'd wager this is his last season with them.

I'd wager you're right about Williams. He'll probably be the coach, but I'd bet it's 1 not 2 years from now.


That wouldn't surprise me one bit. Williams has 1 year left on his contract. He's turned down 2 interviews for head coaching jobs recently. He's stated before that he would only accept a head coaching job again if it's a good situation and the right quarterback. Williams knows the players and the system. There is no doubt in my mind that Brees will get a contract extension this offseason. It would be the perfect situation for Williams. If Payton retires after this season, which wouldn't surprise me, then Williams will become head coach. Though I love Gregg and would be happy with him as head coach, I think Pete Carmichael should at least be considered. If Payton doesn't retire and finishes his contract, then I can see Gregg signing a 1 year deal to stay as defensive coordinator knowing he will be the coach in waiting. Should be interesting.


Also, I'd like to thank all of you for a great conversation. I don't post here often so I appreciate your kindness. Hope you all have a great night. :)

[The30YardSlant]

That's funny because I do see fans who I label as following media shepherds all the time, and you have always been one of them. You echo their exact negative spins on everything.

I don't like Jerry Jones because he is too stubborn and prideful to take a step back and do what is best for this franchise, not because the media tells me to dislike him. I didnt care that Tony Romo went to Cabo or that he wears his hat backwards or that Tashard Choice asked for Vick's autograph. I'm one of the few around here that still jumps to Tony Romo's defense and one of the few who wasnt wringing their hands after Garrett proved himself and was hired as the head coach last month. I've never complained about something just for the sake of complaining. I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong and eat my crow and never disappear after one of my predictions goes awry like so many on this board.

The media tries to make issues out of anything and everything. I make issues out of things that directly effect the W/L columns, like Wade Phillips' inept coaching and Jerry Jones personel moves. I don't have a vendetta against the Dallas Cowboys, I have a vendetta against bad football, and lately there's been a lot of that around these parts.

[cajuncocoa]

<snip>
With that being said, things aren't that bad here. It is more expensive than living in Texas when you consider that houses cost more, property taxes are less, but add state income taxes, and private school costs. They tax food here too, when it is exempt for the most part in Texas. Sales tax is 9% where I live, even on automobile purchases.

<snip>

For a head coach making that kind of money, the financial side is a non-factor. New Orleans actually has some decent suburbs that are nice to live. One of them is Mandeville, which is a very wealthy town. It is across Lake Pontchartrain from New Orleans.

I just think the man loves the Dallas area. Nothing wrong with that, but Louisiana, and at least the area surrounding New Orleans isn't really all that bad.
I was just getting ready to post this...well stated.

[Bleu Star]

It's for the man's family...I'm not going to comment on it other than a man should always do what is best for his family.

Same :)

[Dave_in-NC]

Same :)

But you did.

[SilverStarCowboy]

:laugh2: it's the TMZ effect, Payton is living a dream life.

People are so crazy, let him do what he wants to do, afterall it's his money, let the man spend it the way he sees best.


This move is a total non-issue and it means absolutely nothing deeper than shallow water. But nooooooooo00000oooOOooo, we have to drown in something out of nothing that it isn't.


Beer is good.

[Romo 2 Austin]

He's not going to leave the city that he just brought a lombardi trophy too.

[BlueStar3398]

New Orleans is a %#&box... no wonder he wants his family out.

Steven Segal has a hard time handling them on his reality show. :laugh2: But Dallas featured regularly on The First 48 too.

[Quarterback Coach]

It's for the man's family...I'm not going to comment on it other than a man should always do what is best for his family.

agreed...problem is people work harder at their jobs than their relationships nowadays.

[Gorgeyhopper]

To everyone saying he'd still have to pay a state tax, I live in Texas but work in Louisiana and when I signed on with my company they had me sign a piece of paper so that Louisiana wouldn't take out state taxes. So that's is definately not true.

[john van brocklin]

Landry also had a private plane, at least one Cessna.

My Dad was a pilot and a really good one. I know a lot about them and their costs.

Remember when Landry made the emergency landing ?

[Hostile]

I don't like Jerry Jones because he is too stubborn and prideful to take a step back and do what is best for this franchise, not because the media tells me to dislike him. I didnt care that Tony Romo went to Cabo or that he wears his hat backwards or that Tashard Choice asked for Vick's autograph. I'm one of the few around here that still jumps to Tony Romo's defense and one of the few who wasnt wringing their hands after Garrett proved himself and was hired as the head coach last month. I've never complained about something just for the sake of complaining. I'm always the first to admit I'm wrong and eat my crow and never disappear after one of my predictions goes awry like so many on this board.

The media tries to make issues out of anything and everything. I make issues out of things that directly effect the W/L columns, like Wade Phillips' inept coaching and Jerry Jones personel moves. I don't have a vendetta against the Dallas Cowboys, I have a vendetta against bad football, and lately there's been a lot of that around these parts.Uh huh.

[The30YardSlant]

Uh huh.

If you're going to call me a liar, I'd appreciate it if would at least have the decency to back up your claim

[Hostile]

If you're going to call me a liar, I'd appreciate it if would at least have the decency to back up your claim
I didn't.

[The30YardSlant]

Uh huh

[Hostile]

Uh huhIf you did, I do not care, but I didn't.

[dogberry]

Where did Parcel's live in the off season? (When he was the Dallas coach)

[AbeBeta]

To everyone saying he'd still have to pay a state tax, I live in Texas but work in Louisiana and when I signed on with my company they had me sign a piece of paper so that Louisiana wouldn't take out state taxes. So that's is definately not true.

Do you make 5 mill a year? Likely that LA is not just going to take a signature on a piece of paper to get Payton out of that. States have various agreements over taxation in situations like this - I expect most don't want to screw around with small fries but aren't letting high incomes go.

Also, it could be that your company is screwing you and simply betting that no one notices.

[AbeBeta]

so he is moving 2 hours away by plane, in another state to be closer to his family for his family's benefit?

If he thinks the schools are better in Dallas, say so, don't give the bogus, it is best for my family line and hope panty waists don't have the stones to question him

and if he thinks that then he shouldn't have taken a job in NO knowing that the team wanted very much for a coach to be involved in the community

[dogberry]

During the season a coach is very involved with his tape deck (?) to the exclusion of community involvement. In the off-season the coach is at Saratoga (kinda, wanta quote Carly Simon here) or watching baseball in Florida.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Because New Orleans is a cesspool? I'm willing to bet he already spends most of his time away during the season. If he thinks Dallas is a better place to raise his kids then I have no issues with it. It is his family and his kids.

then why move there in the first place?

[baj1dallas]

You can't understand why NO fans might be upset that his family is pretty much saying the town isn't good enough for them?

I don't care whether they're upset or not. NOLA isn't good enough for 100 million other people so they should mind their own business and forget about where Payton's wife wants to live. If they have a problem with it, get rid of the corrupt politicians and improve the quality of life in your city.

[The Realist]

then why move there in the first place?

Maybe for the chance to be a head coach for the first time, make a boat load of money, win a Super Bowl retire young and call your own shots for the rest of your life.

[tyke1doe]

Maybe for the chance to be a head coach for the first time, make a boat load of money, win a Super Bowl retire young and call your own shots for the rest of your life.

^ This ^

[AbeBeta]

I don't care whether they're upset or not. NOLA isn't good enough for 100 million other people so they should mind their own business and forget about where Payton's wife wants to live. If they have a problem with it, get rid of the corrupt politicians and improve the quality of life in your city.

You don't like a city, then don't take a job there that makes you one of the highest profile people in that city. The quality of life in NOLA is outstanding for people with a ton of money - just like it is everywhere else in the nation for the rich. It isn't like they are have to live in the projects.

[WV Cowboy]

and hope panty waists don't have the stones to question him

That struck me as funny. :laugh2: